American Tactical is the US distributor.
https://www.americantactical.us/category/airguns (https://www.americantactical.us/category/airguns)
But they don't show that model on their website. Give them a call and see if they can get it for you.
Thanks,
Taso
Sadly haven't seen it here either but would love one of these.
From discussions with the manufacturer I believe the first container of them arrives in October. in the US American Tactical is the dealer..I believe they will Retail @US 329.00 Gonna raise the standard for entry level PCP's...
I will be right there with you :) almost like an affordable streamline....
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How many shots you get per fill roughly? And does the power adjuster work good? My Nova Freedom .177 was 12fpe on low and 19fpe on high just perfect for my needs.
I gave up at 200 over the crono I'm guessing 250 on low , I don't think one loses many on high. plenty of air onboard for FT and then some.
Looks good to me also, any talk of 25cal ?Haven’t seen a .25 but I would think that they would offer one.
Looks good to me also, any talk of 25cal ?Haven’t seen a .25 but I would think that they would offer one.
The nova liberty is in stock now. Synthetic is 299.95 and wood is 329.95. Just got an e-mail from Jennifer saying they came in today and they should be on the web site in one to two weeks. Give her a call at America tactical and she should be able to sell you one now. 800 290 0065
300 bar fill huh? Interesting!
Taso
I want to know if the regulator can be adjusted. Would want to shoot heavy pellets at @ 900. They are saying as they are now that high is 900 and low is 700 FPS. But who knows what weight pellet they tested with.
I want to know if the regulator can be adjusted. Would want to shoot heavy pellets at @ 900. They are saying as they are now that high is 900 and low is 700 FPS. But who knows what weight pellet they tested with.
Do you now someone about air pressure adjusting ?I haven’t received my rifle yet. Maybe someone else has theres and can check in the manual for you.
What is written inside manual about air pressure adjusting ?
Is it possible to adjust it from 80 to 220 bar or ???
I was waiting until Black Friday to pick up a Gamo Urban but this looks better for the same price. Hope to see some reviews soon!
Synthetic is almost always lighter.Thank You. 8)
Do you now someone about air pressure adjusting ?
What is written inside manual about air pressure adjusting ?
Is it possible to adjust it from 80 to 220 bar or ???
Well this just muddied the water even more. ???
I thought I was set on a low-priced bulldog or a used Sumatra carbine...perhaps even a .25 Flash. Now this little gem shows up?
I'm curious about what pellet they used to get the 900FPS rating as well. Please, please...no "with PBA ammo" gimmicks. I'd really like a legit 950+ lead pellet rifle. Nice and short with decent weight, which the Sumatra and the Flash have. And apparently this one has it too.
As if my decisions weren't hard enough as it is. My wallet...it's weeping. :o
Well this just muddied the water even more. ???
I thought I was set on a low-priced bulldog or a used Sumatra carbine...perhaps even a .25 Flash. Now this little gem shows up?
I'm curious about what pellet they used to get the 900FPS rating as well. Please, please...no "with PBA ammo" gimmicks. I'd really like a legit 950+ lead pellet rifle. Nice and short with decent weight, which the Sumatra and the Flash have. And apparently this one has it too.
As if my decisions weren't hard enough as it is. My wallet...it's weeping. :o
I believe from watching some online videos in foreign languages both JSB 18.13 and Barracuda Match 21 Grain were in the 900's
Ya Paul, I'm watching it too, looks to be built better from the start than the DAR was.yes, this is interesting to me also.... ;)
Even before the regulator gets settled in, the extreme spread probably won't be any worse than an unregulated gun would be.
Hi ALL - I saw the post on this rifle last week, it has all the features i like so i called american tactical last friday & talked with jennifer & had it by monday. I guess i got lucky because i see some of you are still waiting for yours. The wait will be worth it. The gun is called the nova liberty. I have the synthetic model that was $299.00 & $8.50 shipped to N.Y. Although i have been shooting pcp's about 2yrs i am a new be as far as working on them goes. I can tell you what i know so far- It has a 300 bar reservoir, regulator, hi/low switch shrouded barrel with no baffles,mine has adj fiber optic sights that i removed and weighs just 6.5 lbs. I have only put about 100 rounds through it but it's a tack driver with chp 14.3. I get between 726-731 fps on low and 888-907 fps on high with 20 shots for each setting. The fit & finish is above average on mine. Really can't find one negative thing so far except the trigger which on mine was 4 lbs. The best i could get it down to is 3 lb 13 oz. It is 2 stage with a nice first stage that hits a hard second stage but has no creep so i am sure someone who knows triggers will be able to get it manageable. Surprisingly even with the hard pull i am getting 1/4 groups at 20 yards (basement range). My biggest problem with it is i can't remove the action from the stock! The synthetic stock is molded on the forearm up around the air cylinder so after removing the trigger guard screw, 2 screws on the side & the front swivel stud it still would not budge. I think after degassing the cylinder & removing it then the action will come out? There are 2 o rings on the bolt probe & they give you 2 spares. I also got 2 marauder style mags with an aluminum single shot tray & a stainless steel fill probe. O yea i almost forgot that there is a screw on the bottom of the stock that degasses the rifle--Even easier then on my hatsans. The you tube video says the cylinder is titanium but i can't verify that. I wrote jennifer about the stock removal & she said she would look into it & get back to me. I am sure once this gun gets into more talented hands this will be a winner. I can see 250 -300 shots on low power with a good tuning. Either way you wont be dissapointed with it. CYA
Paul- The rifle is not bad sound wise which didn't make sense to me because of no baffles. I did try marauder baffles & also hatsan baffles but no go. The id. of the nova shroud is .8840, my marauder is ..7675 & my hatsan gladius is .8325. I have moderators on all my rifles except the marauder. On my gladius i just removed the shroud completely & put a weihrauch moderator on it. The marauder magazine does fit in the nova but it doesn't snap in like the factory mag so i would stick with the originals. I am sure that donny can make an adaptor for the threaded muzzle end but i shoot mine on low power & the sound doesn't really bother me. But i understand that sound affects everyone different.
The Nova Freedom is not regulated, but can be pumped after 5- 10 shots depending on the cal. to give similar results.
Happy shooting to all and to all a good night :)
Can you remove the front sight? Sure sticks up in the air and would be a limb catcher I'd think.
Yes loosen set screw and it slips right off.
Trying to post Manuel. Hope this works.
That's what i thought when i watched the video. Anyone know how to translate that youtube video to english?
Nice looking rifle, does remind me of my M16. Hopefully parts will be easier to get than what we are now experiencing with SPA.
Dillon -I really haven't found a thing wrong with this rifle except the heavy trigger, which will get sorted out!. For a comparison i paid $ 500.00 for my M16 & $600.00 for my P15 from mrodair.This gun was $299.00 & Literally blows them away. I just put 40 more rounds through mine with JSB 15s, which i save for my wildcat & the accuracy is blowing me away. At 20 yards it just keeps stacking them in a nice 1/4 in hole!! Now i know most everyone shoots at longer ranges but if it's this good at 20yds doesn't that translate to being accurate at longer range? Pat have you tried any heavier pellets so far?
I think you’ll enjoy it. Mine is a shooter but I need a little more time with it. I havent cleaned the barrel or anything so she’s straight out the box driving racks. Def confused about the power lvl. Bc I think it may be too quiet but maybe not. I’ll check with the chrony next time bc Airhunters said ge got an average of 890 with 18.13 Jsb’s during his review. Maybe he up his regulator pressure? Doesn’t seem to be pellet fussy at the moment and I’m glad bc I’d like to shoot some hollow points if they shoot just as well as the jsb’s at those medium ranges.
Nice shooting!! I think it will get even better with a good cleaning. My .22 liberty took me about 20 patches. I understand they have to use a preservative in the barrel but boy that stuff really sticks. I am noise sensitive but this gun doesn't seem to bother me. It's sort of a quick snap. I was going to get a donny adaptor for a moderator but so far i have not felt the need. How's the pull weight on your trigger? Enjoy your new gun.
Same as mine. The spec sheet says .05-4lbs adjustment range but i must be missing something because i can't get mine below 3 1/2 lbs. I guessing we are going to have to replace some springs?
I got my .177 last night at 630 but had people coming at 645 so had no time to shoot until after. So at 1015 I went and got it roughly sighted in and accuracy seems very good. Trigger is on the heavier side but will deal with that also. Very very crisp though. I'm working on cleaning the barrel (very dirty) and the trigger today and should shoot some groups later.
Agree 100%- I'm hopeing that when Dillon gets time he can figure out how to remove the stock? I have now been told twice by american tactical that they have the synthetic rifle right in front of them & once they get it apart they will let me know! Been waiting for a week for an answer!!!
I'm waiting for the outcome of this stock removal issue and the trigger adjustment verdict before I take the plunge! If the synthetic stock proves to be too difficult to remove, I may just bite the extra cost and go with the wood stock!
I guess I should ask the question: Does anyone have one with a wood stock, and is it easier to remove? :o
I'm waiting for the outcome of this stock removal issue and the trigger adjustment verdict before I take the plunge! If the synthetic stock proves to be too difficult to remove, I may just bite the extra cost and go with the wood stock!
I guess I should ask the question: Does anyone have one with a wood stock, and is it easier to remove? :o
I have wood stock haven’t tried to remove anything so far. Doesn’t seem like anything extra is holding it in place on the wood version though.
Dillon, were you able to get to the adjustment between the barrel and air reservoir?
Very curious as to what the does.
I got it!!!! FINALLY. After dillon said it was 2 pieces i took another look. So the forearm is 2 halves held by the front swivel stud & 2 allen screws on the side of stock. When i spread them apart it felt like i was going to break some tabs but i got both sides off without anything breaking. Did i mention i hate taking plastic apart!! Anyway right in front of the trigger guard there is a rectangular cut out with a circle in the middle. I used a jewelers screwdriver & drove it in at the seam of the circle. It a long plug with an allen bolt under it. Unscrewing that just takes the rectangular piece off. Then you will see another allen bolt going right into the action. Remove that & the buttstock comes off. This setup looks like a lot more work then if they just used a regular stock with a drop in action, but they must have their reasons. So know we know how to get the stock off. Now if someone wants to dig in the trigger & let me know what to do i would appreciate it. I am not familiar with working on triggers so i will leave that up to you guys. It looks like 2 allen screws & the trigger group drops out of a housing. I would like to get my trigger down to 1 lb or less. BTW i am leaving the plug out as it serves no purpose except to cover the screw hole.. New to this guote stuff. Maybe you should let American tactical know how to remove the stock.
A couple more things- I noticed that the burst disk on mine says 6k. I take it that means it will let loose at 6000 psi? That's a lot of air!! I re watched that video & he definitely points out that brass screw between the shroud & cylinder is the regulator adjustment. I can't see how to adjust the hammer spring yet. A schematic would sure help.
Peter - I'm sure all of us that have this rifle want to know more, but unfortunately it's new here in the states & it will take time to get in the right hands! I am happy with everything so far except the trigger but i too will have to wait until i can get some more instructions !
Hi Greg- You made a good choice for your first PCP. I'm loving the accuracy of this rifle. Are you hand pumping? Boy that's got to be a workout! I'm sure a .25 cal will be next in line. I was into CO2 & break barrels also till i watched a video by TED & bought my first PCP & haven't looked back since. I didn't mine hand pumping at first but at 68 yrs old it was not for me. I would suggest that you clean the barrel as there is a lot of preservative in it & just shoot different pellets to see what is most accurate. ENJOY & welcome to the darkside.
Greg make sure you pull the styrofoam out of the box & check for o-rings. I thought it was strange that mine came with no spares as most chinese guns do come with them. For some reason i decided to remove the styrofoam before i put the box away & there was a package with 2 bolt probe rings.
Greg make sure you pull the styrofoam out of the box & check for o-rings. I thought it was strange that mine came with no spares as most chinese guns do come with them. For some reason i decided to remove the styrofoam before i put the box away & there was a package with 2 bolt probe rings.
Yea i forgot to mention that. When i first looked at the gauge it was real blurry & i thought well its time to make an eye exam appointment.Then i put on my readers & saw the film. BTW did you also get 2 mags & stainless steel fill probe? Just wondering if everyone is getting the same stuff.
Took mine apart again to study the trigger . I was going to drive out the pins holding the trigger but i saw the trigger housing is plastic. I don't have a small enough punch & if you should enlarge the holes while driving them out then the pins won't hold & you would have a problem. So i focused on the 3 adj. screws. Anyone that has a liberty will see in their manual screws A,B &C. Screws A & C are basically pre set & cannot be screwed in any further because of the large head of the allen screw I replaced screw C with a longer one & got my trigger down to 1 lb. But I don't recommend this as the safety no longer functions. I just target shoot so this works for me. I did have the safety working at around 2 lbs but i wanted to see how low i could get it. Under 1 lb & the sear doesn't catch.I still think that replacing the springs in the trigger will be the way to go. i just couldn't get along with the 3 1/2 factory pull. I put 4 mags through it with no problems, but for you hunters i would not go below 2 lbs & make sure your safety works.
I was having an issue with one of my mags. The spring kept popping loose when i would rotate the cover. Pulled it apart and stretched the spring and that stopped it from popping out of the magazine base. Got some more shots with it today. I find it to be very backyard friendly. Certainly quieter than my Trail NP2 or the Hammerli 850.
I was having an issue with one of my mags. The spring kept popping loose when i would rotate the cover. Pulled it apart and stretched the spring and that stopped it from popping out of the magazine base. Got some more shots with it today. I find it to be very backyard friendly. Certainly quieter than my Trail NP2 or the Hammerli 850.
I'm betting a Umarex Gauntlet mag would work in these, they are cheaper than the Marauder mags, but all 3 appear to be the exact same design, just differing by a few mm's in thickness.. Also, YouTube has some good videos on tweaking the Marauder mags to prevent what happened to you from happening again.
What is the trigger made of ?
So I'm curious if anyone's played around with trying to get more power out this little gem. If it's possible to get 1100-1200 FPS with .22 14.3gr pellets, I just might make this my first PCP.
That way I can load up on some heavy (25gr+) pellets to drop FPS to accurate levels and max out FPE.
So I'm curious if anyone's played around with trying to get more power out this little gem. If it's possible to get 1100-1200 FPS with .22 14.3gr pellets, I just might make this my first PCP.
That way I can load up on some heavy (25gr+) pellets to drop FPS to accurate levels and max out FPE.
This is my first PCP and I’d be interested in trading shot count for a bit more energy myself. I just hope the parts are high quality enough to last for awhile.
So I'm curious if anyone's played around with trying to get more power out this little gem. If it's possible to get 1100-1200 FPS with .22 14.3gr pellets, I just might make this my first PCP.
That way I can load up on some heavy (25gr+) pellets to drop FPS to accurate levels and max out FPE.
This is my first PCP and I’d be interested in trading shot count for a bit more energy myself. I just hope the parts are high quality enough to last for awhile.
That right there is what keeps me from pulling the trigger on the Hatsans. I saw a refurb on their site awhile back and inquired if they shipped out to me. Unfortunately, they don't. :(
So now what's gonna happen if I buy a Hatsan? I can't send it in for warranty? I can't get parts? I have a Gamo Magnum...and wouldn't ya know? Gamo USA referred me to Gamo Spain. Great.
Nice group Frankie. Glad to see you got a shooter on your hands. What scope do you have on it?
I went from open sights to this https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-4-16x56-bubble-leveler-ao-rifle-scope-swat-ao-ez-tap-illuminated?a=7683 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-4-16x56-bubble-leveler-ao-rifle-scope-swat-ao-ez-tap-illuminated?a=7683) , and made it my hunter field target gun :)
I went from open sights to this (had to remove link since I’m still new here), and made it my hunter field target gun :)
So I'm curious if anyone's played around with trying to get more power out this little gem. If it's possible to get 1100-1200 FPS with .22 14.3gr pellets, I just might make this my first PCP.
That way I can load up on some heavy (25gr+) pellets to drop FPS to accurate levels and max out FPE.
This is my first PCP and I’d be interested in trading shot count for a bit more energy myself. I just hope the parts are high quality enough to last for awhile.
That right there is what keeps me from pulling the trigger on the Hatsans. I saw a refurb on their site awhile back and inquired if they shipped out to me. Unfortunately, they don't. :(
So now what's gonna happen if I buy a Hatsan? I can't send it in for warranty? I can't get parts? I have a Gamo Magnum...and wouldn't ya know? Gamo USA referred me to Gamo Spain. Great.
Paul, Be thankful they didn't ship it to you. Just an FYI, and something I did NOT know when I purchased a refurbished BullBoss from HatsanUSA. They DON'T do refunds on refurbished products, so the only option is play the send it back and wait till it shows up again and pray it works. I've already sent my 2nd BullBoss back because the same part failed in both. Also, the warranty on Refurbs is only 90 days, and since Hatsan has had my BullBoss for the better part of 2 months already, I'll probably only have use of it for another 20-30 days under warranty. If it fails again after that, I guess I'm just stuck with it. If you ask me, Hatsan has found a pretty clever way to dispose of their garbage and make money in the process! When it comes to Hatsan Refurbs, BUYER BEWARE! Do your homework before you lay down your hard earned money! This has been a very expensive lesson for me!
I went from open sights to this (had to remove link since I’m still new here), and made it my hunter field target gun :)
That’s the same scope I have mounted on my Benjamin Trail NP2. I plan to move it over to the Liberty. Did you have any issues with mounting?
I'm gonna keep my eye on american tactical's site & see if they have a black friday sale on the liberty's. All my rifles are .22 cal so i guess it's time to try the .177 to see if i like it?
I went from open sights to this (had to remove link since I’m still new here), and made it my hunter field target gun :)
That’s the same scope I have mounted on my Benjamin Trail NP2. I plan to move it over to the Liberty. Did you have any issues with mounting?
No issues mounting, I used medium 11 mm rings for a 30mm tube I believe they were also UTG. The distance from the 11 mm rail to the center of the scope is roughly 1- 1/2". also used levels on the gun and confirmed level with a plumb bob string.
I like my .177 alot. But I want the .22 so I'm probably gonna sell it and buy the .22. It honestly is a great gun especially for the price
Interesting development! Do you have a picture of how you access that adjuster with the stock in place? I haven't ordered yet, hoping they offer something for Black Friday.
The Hindu dude in the vid may have had a different version of the HP-P900W. On mine, that brass piece with all the little holes in it, on the front end of the receiver, that is partially covered by the top of the air tube, is the vent for the burst disk.
The silver hex headed bolt on the bottom of the action (mine is marked "6k") is the access to the burst disk. If you degass the gun, and pull the disk, then blow thru it with compressed air, the air exits thru that brass disk with all the little holes in it.
Kinda makes sense, as you wouldn't want the burst disk to vent thru the barrel, especially if there was a pellet in the chamber.
To adjust the regulator on mine, you take the cover off the cylinder on the bottom of the action, which houses the regulator (it's got a little flat head screwdriver slot in it)
Maybe there are more than one version of this rifle out there?
Wish I could tell you why. I haven't tried to adjust my reg yet. As it sits, it's throwing JSB 15.89's around 920fps, which is fine by me.
But when I think about it, if that burst disk let's go, they couldn't possibly let it vent thru the barrel. Can you imagine 4000psi trying to push thru the transfer port (especially if the rifle is set on "low"?) To me, that seems like it'd literally turn the receiver into a IED.
I'm in the process of trying to get AT to help find me a parts brake down, so I know for sure, but so far, no luck. Thus, I'm not gonna mess with the rifle much more til I'm positive I know what I'm doing on internally.
Well for now, at least you know the gun is capable of getting the speed you want.
Found another video of guy that has his shooting at the power level that I would like to tune my rifle too. 940 with 21gr baracudas would be ideal for me.
https://youtu.be/5awzYl9VZyU
Of all my rifles this one is the hardest to run patches through! They must have slightly undersized bores which could be giving them their accuracy?
I will be watching this for Black Friday, I was looking at some other guns but this is much betterI can't think of a better deal than this gun. It's got it all.
I will be watching this for Black Friday, I was looking at some other guns but this is much betterI can't think of a better deal than this gun. It's got it all.
Good Luck on that !! Never could get o ring info from Umarexfor the gauntlet.. Someone tore one down and measured them...
Sorry folks. I just can't bring myself to take this rifle apart any further. It just shoots too darn well. Eventually I will find a way to adjust the regulator, but I'm gonna wait for a braver soul than I to figure it out.
I did shorten my shroud 2" so it's even with the air tube. I think it just looks better that way. I also inprovised a baffel system with the parts I had on hand. Even with the shortended shroud, after drilling holes in the barrel locator, and adding three modified baffles out of a spare ldc I had, the rifle is now extremely quiet.
The only thing I'm thinking about doing is drilling a few small holes on the receiver side of the shroud, facing down, to see if that quiets it down even more. But it's so quiet now that I might just leave it be.
Only downside I’ve had is the spring popping out of the base in both rotary mags. I used a touch of adhesive when sticking the spring back in the base and hopefully that takes care of it.
Looks like I made a good choice for my first PCP.
Like was stated above, i’m hoping for a .25 version too.
Only downside I’ve had is the spring popping out of the base in both rotary mags. I used a touch of adhesive when sticking the spring back in the base and hopefully that takes care of it.
Looks like I made a good choice for my first PCP.
Like was stated above, i’m hoping for a .25 version too.
Check YouTube for a fix, they are the same design as the Marauder magazines.
Greg- If your fix doesn't hold up i would call american tactical & i am sure they would send you a couple of new mags under warranty.
By its looks and features, this looks to be an SPA product. The SPA-900W became the Diana Stormrider, and this looks just like a model produced by SPA under the Artemis brand.
Dennis
Indiana Airguns
Yes but unfortunately Nova prefer delivering to USA for now and I have awaiting for moment when switch to the EU which will be probably only after USA stop all imports from China.
Wander if Pyramyd is gonna carry this rifle under the Seneca name.
Yes but unfortunately Nova prefer delivering to USA for now and I have awaiting for moment when switch to the EU which will be probably only after USA stop all imports from China.
Peter UK (EU'ish) - SMK has in stock - http://www.sportsmk.co.uk/cat/35773/air-rifles-other-brands/nova-vista/#40102 (http://www.sportsmk.co.uk/cat/35773/air-rifles-other-brands/nova-vista/#40102)
I opologize if someone has already asked this and I missed it but does the Marauder magazine fit the Nova Rifle? I know they look and work the same but are they interchangeable? I plan to get one after the first of Jan. but would not buy extra mags if my Marauder ones will fit. Has anyone tried it that has one?
ATI's Black Friday code is active! BLACK20 will get you 20% off the Liberty air Rifles! Happy Black Friday!
One heck of an already great deal just got 20% better! I am getting one in .177. Now i am just trying to decide between synthetic or wood? Decisions, Decisions!!
I'll bet we will be keeping them busy in the shipping dept over at ATI. If your into pcp's this is really a no brainer!
Peter- I agree 100%. The times they are a changin. And not for the better! As a teenager i would often put my .22 rifle in a gun sack, grab a box of 100 rounds of rimfire ammo & take the bus out to the country & no one would even look twice at you. Can you imagine doing that today! Every one would run off the bus & the swat team would be called. Just saying that customer service has gone the way of the dodo bird.
Frankie- Get ready for a work out when you do clean it. It took me a while to clean my SPA rifles but my liberty was twice as long! That preservative they use is almost like a tar consistence.
ATI's Black Friday code is active! BLACK20 will get you 20% off the Liberty air Rifles! Happy Black Friday!
Matt- Everyone has their favorite concoctions. I clean with Kroil first to soften everything up, then i use Shooters Choice Lead Remover. I also use JB paste occasionally. I like that you can go longer between cleanings with AG as opposed to my PB's. So far no ill effects on my barrels that have o-rings in them.
The 10.3gr group well in almost every rifle I pick up. So give the new Monsters a try if you want to experiment with a super heavy but the 10.3 is the nearest to a sure thing as there is.
For those who ordered or already own their NOVA VISTA PCP, which scope are you using or plan on using?
I'm doing my shopping now or trying to decide if I should use one that's sitting on the shelf. UTG 3x9 40 AO or HAWK 3x9 40 AO Vantage.
Want to get the most out of this one since it has a lot of good reads and potential.
For those who ordered or already own their NOVA VISTA PCP, which scope are you using or plan on using?
I'm doing my shopping now or trying to decide if I should use one that's sitting on the shelf. UTG 3x9 40 AO or HAWK 3x9 40 AO Vantage.
Want to get the most out of this one since it has a lot of good reads and potential.
The .22 looks promising with a quick chrony. Stock reminds me of the Marauder, swollen pulp wood with the alloy air tube offsetting the worst of it making handling acceptable. .
I read somewhere the tube is titanium but i can't confirm that.
The .22 looks promising with a quick chrony. Stock reminds me of the Marauder, swollen pulp wood with the alloy air tube offsetting the worst of it making handling acceptable. .
What grain pellet are you using? Mine shoots about 18fpe on low and 30fpe on high
I read somewhere the tube is titanium but i can't confirm that.
I use hawke vantage 6x24x44 side focus.
I have a UTG 3-12X44 that was on my DAR177 that will be mounted on the Liberty when it arrives.
I'm still trying to figure out why these guns are so quiet? My outlaw has basically the same set up but it was so much louder that i had to get a moderator on it quick or wear ear plugs.
Just to get off the subject for a second. My cousin here in N.Y is an NRA instructor & just sent me an e-mail. They are introducing a bill that will require you to show your browsing history on facebook, twitter,etc before you can purchase a firearm. Can these stupid gun laws get any crazier? Might be time to pack my bags!
Matt- It could be worse!! I just visited the Canadian Air Forum looking for info on my P15. Bullpups are illegal, anything over 500 fps is considered a firearm & if your airgun came with a factory installed moderator the baffles must be removed & certified that they were removed! Donny would be looking for a different line of work up there.
So testing is done for the day....
So testing is done for the day....
Looks like a clean break. Wood glue and 2ea or 3ea 3-inch #10 decking screws and you'll be back in business.
Looks like a clean break. Wood glue and 2ea or 3ea 3-inch #10 decking screws and you'll be back in business.
I'm thinking for expediency that is the way to go, the roll off the stand was about 1.5 feet....
Hope ATI sends you a new stock without any hassle.
Looks like a clean break. Wood glue and 2ea or 3ea 3-inch #10 decking screws and you'll be back in business.
Ordered mine in .22 wood stock with black Friday/cyber Monday discount. Its my first PCP. My wife is going to kill me when she sees the CC bill.
I thought someone had already posted that all the wood 22's were gone? Maybe they received another shipment? Did you get an order confirmation email?
you guys know what happens when the demand for a product is high, The price goes up! It would not surprise me if they don't raise the price because of the demand for the gun.
Has anyone who purchased on Black Friday received shipping notification yet? My order still shows it processing on their website. They must have been hit hard with sales!
It took 3 working (5 actual) days for my prior order on notification. It was only three days shipping though from east to west coast. Tough wait I know, but well worth it.
Definitely the hammer spring. You could shim, put in a longer spring or maybe someone will fabricate a spring cover with an adjustment screw>Still taking baby steps!!
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Frankie- I would try a longer spring first & see if you get the results you are looking for. Then let the mods begin!!
Just recieved my shipping info...
Matt- Don't know why it doesn't open for you but it really didn't help much. I called jennifer back & she will look for a schematic view with parts numbers. I shot some jsb 13.43 last night & couldn't believe the accuracy. 7 shots went in the exact same hole at 20 yds. Can't wait to see what the .177 does.
Frankie- I would try a longer spring first & see if you get the results you are looking for. Then let the mods begin!!
Pat I will probably just shim with washers as it’ll be the easiest thing for me to do. I really just want to know how everything works. If I come to a point where I’am uncomfortable I’ll stop. Right now I’m a bit skeptical of the pin that holds the trigger pack in the receiver so I’ll most likely stop. My pin is a bit snug and I don’t have a punch so I don’t want to mar the receiver finish.
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Thought i would be shooting my .177 by now! My mail comes everyday at 10:00 & now that i'm waiting for my Nova it's 1:00 & no mailman!! It's like they know when your waiting for something!!!
Mine arrived today. I shot 3 magazines through it and then cleaned the barrel with Goo Gone. The CPUM's are all over the place. H&N Sniper Mediums did the best, but still not as tight as I'd like. I also tried the Air Arms Diabolo Field pellets. They were better than the CPUM's but not by much. All told I shot 5-6 full magazines through it and still had over 2000 psi of air left, so shot count is great. I have not put it over the crony, so I have no numbers. I filled it to 4000 psi and will let it sit till tomorrow to see if it's losing any air.
It seems everyone here was really impressed with the accuracy of these rifles. At this point, I'm not. In fact I put the scope I previously erode on my DAR25 and it took 2-3 complete revolution of the height and windage adjustments to get it on the target. This seems way excessive to me. This weekend I have to have some free time to really scrub the barrel and see if that improves things any. Hopefully it will improve as I shoot more pellets through it, but at this point, I'm a bit disappointed. :(
Mine arrived today. I shot 3 magazines through it and then cleaned the barrel with Goo Gone. The CPUM's are all over the place. H&N Sniper Mediums did the best, but still not as tight as I'd like. I also tried the Air Arms Diabolo Field pellets. They were better than the CPUM's but not by much. All told I shot 5-6 full magazines through it and still had over 2000 psi of air left, so shot count is great. I have not put it over the crony, so I have no numbers. I filled it to 4000 psi and will let it sit till tomorrow to see if it's losing any air.
It seems everyone here was really impressed with the accuracy of these rifles. At this point, I'm not. In fact I put the scope I previously erode on my DAR25 and it took 2-3 complete revolution of the height and windage adjustments to get it on the target. This seems way excessive to me. This weekend I have to have some free time to really scrub the barrel and see if that improves things any. Hopefully it will improve as I shoot more pellets through it, but at this point, I'm a bit disappointed. :(
Paul-Which caliber did you buy? My .22 loves jsb 18.13 gr but also like H&N baracuda hunters as well.
For anyone who is interested, I measured the magazine from these Liberty's and compared them to the Gauntlet and Marauder magazines. They are essentially identical. I also tested fitted a .22 Gauntlet mag and .22 Marauder mag in my .177 Liberty. The Gauntlet mags seems to fit better than the Marauder mags. The Marauder mags fit a bit loose and felt sloppy where the gauntlet mag snapped in place just like the Liberty mags do.
This is actually good news because the Gauntlet mags are generally cheaper than the Marauder mags. Obviously I couldn't test the actual functionality of the mags since all I have are the .22 mags for the Marauder and Gauntlet, but I did order a couple .177 Gauntlet mags from Amazon, so I'll know for sure when they arrive.
Paul,
Have you tried the 10.34gr AA/JSBs? That's what my .177 preferred. The 8.44s were just ok out of it
For anyone who is interested, I measured the magazine from these Liberty's and compared them to the Gauntlet and Marauder magazines. They are essentially identical. I also tested fitted a .22 Gauntlet mag and .22 Marauder mag in my .177 Liberty. The Gauntlet mags seems to fit better than the Marauder mags. The Marauder mags fit a bit loose and felt sloppy where the gauntlet mag snapped in place just like the Liberty mags do.
This is actually good news because the Gauntlet mags are generally cheaper than the Marauder mags. Obviously I couldn't test the actual functionality of the mags since all I have are the .22 mags for the Marauder and Gauntlet, but I did order a couple .177 Gauntlet mags from Amazon, so I'll know for sure when they arrive.
Good to know. I’ve been waiting for this info. I’ll probably order a couple of Gauntlet .22 mags off of Amazon then. I did see that they have spare mags for sale on the AT site, but they charge the same to ship 1 mag as they do an entire rifle.
Thanks for taking the time to test that out.
Greg
Paul- I've had that happen before, so now when i get a new gun it gets cleaned & all the screws get checked! When you put your barrel back did you make sure to line up the detents with the screw holes?
Mike -Glad the factory is responding.I have emailed them twice about a parts breakdown & they never got back to me.
Paul remove the hex heads and the front sling swivel to remove the stock.. Silver slotted is the degassing screw..
Yes Paul, both the hex heads from the trigger guard need to be removed.. Then the one in front of thr trigger.. Also the front sling swivel stud (remove it with a wrench)....
Ray- The nice thing about having a regulated rifle is you won't have to fill it to max to enjoy the consistency. Remember these have 300 bar cylinders. Better start working out now!!
Ray- The nice thing about having a regulated rifle is you won't have to fill it to max to enjoy the consistency. Remember these have 300 bar cylinders. Better start working out now!!
I hope folk pick up on that aspect. The bottle guns I have are CO2 1,100psi compatable, so filling by hand to comfortable place rather than push out to 3,000psi is simply unnecessary. You simply just refill a bit sooner from your comfort point.
My unregulated guns tend to shoot on a curve and seldom is it most powerfull at the "max" fill preasure anyway. So if your hand pumping nocking yourself out and stressing your pump is a diminishing return in many cases.
Mark- I was wondering how you made out with your broken stock Was ATI able to do anything for you?
One thing I noticed on my gun is that the regulator seems a bit slow to recover. If I shoot about 30 seconds apart the average velocity is a bit less that if I wait a minute or two between shots.
Zac- When i got my Nova .22 i filled to 300 bar & shot down to 200 bar & got 60 shots on low power. 740 fps with AA 16 gr. Shooting down to 100 bar should easily get you over 100 shots.wow that’s awesome that’s why I bought this gun for more shots per fill. On my at44s-10 I get 30 shots from 200-100bar and than it’s 80 or so pumps to get it back up to 200. I’m looking forward to be able to shoot 60-100 shots at a time!
It work's paul= Thanks for working with me!
Do I have a problem or is it just me?
My rear trigger guard screw (bolt) does not engage the threads. Made sure I didn't switch with the other bolt so don't know what's up. Anybody else have this problem?
Do I have a problem or is it just me?
My rear trigger guard screw (bolt) does not engage the threads. Made sure I didn't switch with the other bolt so don't know what's up. Anybody else have this problem?
I wish I could help you out but I haven’t gotten my gun yet. Maybe one of the other guys can shed some light on this.
Zac- Sorry to hear you have a leaker in a new gun. My first Nova came with 200 bar in it. The .177 i received yesterday arrived empty. Had me wondering! It made a funny squeaking noise as it was filling but has held air overnight. Have you tried to pinpoint the leak? Some soapy water might help. Maybe you will get lucky & just be able to snug something up. I know trying to find a leak is no fun when your pumping.
Zac- Sorry to hear you have a leaker in a new gun. My first Nova came with 200 bar in it. The .177 i received yesterday arrived empty. Had me wondering! It made a funny squeaking noise as it was filling but has held air overnight. Have you tried to pinpoint the leak? Some soapy water might help. Maybe you will get lucky & just be able to snug something up. I know trying to find a leak is no fun when your pumping.
I actually just checked the bleed screw before I saw This post and it is tight. I’m pretty bummed about it. Everything was looking great last night when I was filling it no leaks and I was surprised at how quite it is. I was looking forward to some target practice today with a new toy but looks like I’ll have to wait a bit.
Also crossing fingers its just snugging up the slotted degass screw in the forestock.
Edit: Pat mine was squeaking to when I was filling it. I thought maybe it was my pump so I put some silicone oil in the tube and a light coating on the outside of the inner tube but it was still squeaking. I did find that strange as well.
I can hear the air leaking as I’m pumping and I can feel air that seems to be coming from the burst disc or somewhere near that area. I didn’t get anywhere near 5000psi so I don’t think it’s the disc but idk for sure. I guess if it wasn’t for bad luck I wouldn’t have no luck at all.
Anyone been able to get the trigger under 3 lbs? I've just about removed the trigger weight screw and it won't go below 3.12 lbs. I like a light trigger for target shooting. My BullBoss trigger is at 1.5 lbs and I consider that on the heavy side. My Marauders have a trigger pull weight of only .13 lbs!
Anyone been able to get the trigger under 3 lbs? I've just about removed the trigger weight screw and it won't go below 3.12 lbs. I like a light trigger for target shooting. My BullBoss trigger is at 1.5 lbs and I consider that on the heavy side. My Marauders have a trigger pull weight of only .13 lbs!
Wow!! You must shoot off the bench then huh? I like a light trigger but I go through a lot of brush and I’d be afraid of a drop or fall that it’d fire. I dunno I may try a lighter trigger in the field . I usually stay about 2lbs down to 1 1//2lbs is what I’m comfortable with.
Mike- I’m glad I wasn’t going crazy. I thought that was the case at first. I knew it sounded louder after I adjusted the brass disc. Going to be interesting going forward.
Paul- My trigger is around 2-2 1/2lbs right now. I backed off one of the other trigger screws don’t remember if it was c or a then backed out the trigger weight screw about 2 turns and it lightened up a little bit. It also still breaks super clean and safety functions.
So it held air at 100bar overnight and I tried repumping just now. I can hear the air leaking as I’m pumping and I can feel air that seems to be coming from the burst disc or somewhere near that area. I didn’t get anywhere near 5000psi so I don’t think it’s the disc but idk for sure. I guess if it wasn’t for bad luck I wouldn’t have no luck at all.
I've got mine at 1lb. You'll wind up with a single stage trigger, and the safety will only partially engage, so be forewarned.
Looking down at the rifle, remove the two bolts that hold on the trigger guard. The rear bolt goes thru into the action, the other into the stock only. Once the guard is off, remove the grub screw that is in front of the trigger blade. Replace this with a hardware store grub screw 10-12mm long. Coat it with some sort of thread locker that will let you adjust it in the future.
Next, loosen the screw that goes thru the trigger blade itself untill it is about 1/8" or so above the top of it's drilled hole.
Lastly, tighten the screw to the rear of the trigger blade all the way in.
Now on to adjustment:
Replace the longer grub screw at the front of the trigger blade. With the rifle de-cocked, run that screw in till you feel it make contact with the sear.
Now cock the rifle and hold the lever to the rear. Run that grub screw in until the sear realease and the cocking lever tries to move forward. Now start backing that grub screw off about a 1/8th to a 1/4 turn at a time, til the rifle cocks. Hold the lever back and gently pull the trigger. Repeat as needed till the sear just barley engages. Then back the grub screw off an 1/8th of a turn.
This will get you a "quick and dirty" 1lb pull trigger. Oh, do the final adjustments with the stock on. It makes a difference.
You should find that your safety will still partially engage after doing this. The safety lever should move to just about the middle of it's operating range.
Once my new rifle gets here (are you listening USPS?) I'll see if there's a way to do this in a more elegant fashion, but for now, this works really well for me.
Oh, and the Gauntlet magazines work perfectly! They snap into place and fit good and snug just like the magazines that came with it.
If i understand this right you can put a gauge on the regulator test tube to get the reading of the reg pressure? Then you could cut a hole in the bottom of the stock to see the gauge. That would be great to have the 2 gauges to read. we would just have to find the thread size & then find the proper gauge.
Zac- Sorry to hear you have a leaker in a new gun. My first Nova came with 200 bar in it. The .177 i received yesterday arrived empty. Had me wondering! It made a funny squeaking noise as it was filling but has held air overnight. Have you tried to pinpoint the leak? Some soapy water might help. Maybe you will get lucky & just be able to snug something up. I know trying to find a leak is no fun when your pumping.
I actually just checked the bleed screw before I saw This post and it is tight. I’m pretty bummed about it. Everything was looking great last night when I was filling it no leaks and I was surprised at how quite it is. I was looking forward to some target practice today with a new toy but looks like I’ll have to wait a bit.
Also crossing fingers its just snugging up the slotted degass screw in the forestock.
Edit: Pat mine was squeaking to when I was filling it. I thought maybe it was my pump so I put some silicone oil in the tube and a light coating on the outside of the inner tube but it was still squeaking. I did find that strange as well.
I received my 2nd Liberty today , in .22 and wood. It had no pressure in it, but as I checked things over I did tighten the slotted pressure release screw and topped it off with no apparent leaks, it has held for 3 hours., then I had to shoot it. Seems like another keeper, now do I need to buy another scope :-\
PS All my Liberty's make that unholy squeal when filling from my tanks, no matter how slow I fill, it is the o ring seal vibrating as air passes by.
FWIW - This baffle fits right into the shroud.
James=I like them so much i have 2 also. Funny how when filling my .22 it doesn't make that noise? Although the fill probes are the same i tried the .22 probe in the .177 & the squeaking didn't start till i hit 150 bar? I guess as long as the air goes in and stays there were good.
Hi Matt,
Just one, The barrel actually goes into the first inch of the baffle so it fills the last 5 or 6 inches of the shroud. The fit is almost snug but not quite. Only one layer of tape is needed at the threads. I do not think two layers will fit. Definitely no room to add felt around it.
i only received my rifle Friday night and popped this into it yesterday. I am also only able to fill to a little over 100 bar from an argon tank until my pump gets here, so can't do any real testing but absolutely knocks the sound down noticeably. For $6 + shipping ya cant go wrong with these. i bought four and have two left.
The fit is almost snug but not quite. Only one layer of tape is needed at the threads. I do not think two layers will fit. Definitely no room to add felt around it.
FWIW - This baffle fits right into the shroud.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784)
I have a few on the shelf so I just wrapped a single layer of electrical tape around it at the end under the lip to engage the internal threads of the shroud. I also slightly opened up the first ring at the end with threads to slip over the barrel. I will come up with something better than wrapping with tape but it feels very secure for now.
Quickest and cheapest way I know of to add some more quiet to this already reasonably quiet piece.
Ray= Nice catch, thanks. I just ordered one. A lot cheaper then getting another adaptor! Since i put the moderator on my .22 though it now makes my .177 seem loud. I hate when the shipping cost more then the product but i just got a pellet order so i really didn't need anything else. BTW my .177 loves wadcutters. It's always nice to just see little holes on the target!
If i understand this right you can put a gauge on the regulator test tube to get the reading of the reg pressure? Then you could cut a hole in the bottom of the stock to see the gauge. That would be great to have the 2 gauges to read. we would just have to find the thread size & then find the proper gauge.
Hi Matt,
Just one, The barrel actually goes into the first inch of the baffle so it fills the last 5 or 6 inches of the shroud. The fit is almost snug but not quite. Only one layer of tape is needed at the threads. I do not think two layers will fit. Definitely no room to add felt around it.
i only received my rifle Friday night and popped this into it yesterday. I am also only able to fill to a little over 100 bar from an argon tank until my pump gets here, so can't do any real testing but absolutely knocks the sound down noticeably. For $6 + shipping ya cant go wrong with these. i bought four and have two left.
Ray,
Going to order two. Can't go wrong with the price.
I'm hoping to get it "Marauder Quiet" as I use this as my SAE standard.
From your description I take it you did not remove the shroud and it fits over the barrel.QuoteThe fit is almost snug but not quite. Only one layer of tape is needed at the threads. I do not think two layers will fit. Definitely no room to add felt around it.
I take it you did not put tape at both ends of the Baffle? Would tape at both ends help to even the fit at both ends of the Baffle?
I'll probably have a better understanding of using the Baffle and tape when it arrives.
Much appreciate your findings and suggestion.
Matt
FWIW - This baffle fits right into the shroud.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784)
I have a few on the shelf so I just wrapped a single layer of electrical tape around it at the end under the lip to engage the internal threads of the shroud. I also slightly opened up the first ring at the end with threads to slip over the barrel. I will come up with something better than wrapping with tape but it feels very secure for now.
Quickest and cheapest way I know of to add some more quiet to this already reasonably quiet piece.
I have that baffle already on my Benjamin Trail. Since the end cap screws off of the barrel on the Nova, I’m wondering if you couldn’t use a good epoxy to mate the two pieces together so you’d have a baffle that screws right into the Nova. Just a thought. Plastic weld would be anothe option too.
Ray- Your saying that you eliminate the end cap?
FWIW - This baffle fits right into the shroud.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784)
I have a few on the shelf so I just wrapped a single layer of electrical tape around it at the end under the lip to engage the internal threads of the shroud. I also slightly opened up the first ring at the end with threads to slip over the barrel. I will come up with something better than wrapping with tape but it feels very secure for now.
Quickest and cheapest way I know of to add some more quiet to this already reasonably quiet piece.
I have that baffle already on my Benjamin Trail. Since the end cap screws off of the barrel on the Nova, I’m wondering if you couldn’t use a good epoxy to mate the two pieces together so you’d have a baffle that screws right into the Nova. Just a thought. Plastic weld would be anothe option too.
Greg,
The tape allows the baffle to engage the threads inside the end of the shroud and screw right injust like the cap that was screwed in there.
I would like to see the expression on the face of the guy at pyramyd air tomorrow who looks at the computer & sees the orders for about 15 crosman baffle kits. That should make them wonder?
I was trying to get a number on a 12ga slug about 25yds out. Forgot that I was loaded with double ought buck. Enough said...
I would like to see the expression on the face of the guy at pyramyd air tomorrow who looks at the computer & sees the orders for about 15 crosman baffle kits. That should make them wonder?
Don’t forget, these baffles are available through Crosman too.
I would like to see the expression on the face of the guy at pyramyd air tomorrow who looks at the computer & sees the orders for about 15 crosman baffle kits. That should make them wonder?
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784)
It still appears redilyI would like to see the expression on the face of the guy at pyramyd air tomorrow who looks at the computer & sees the orders for about 15 crosman baffle kits. That should make them wonder?
Don’t forget, these baffles are available through Crosman too.
I tried finding them and couldn't.
Even did a search on the part# and it didn't show up.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784)
Perhaps the trailing stuff is messing with the address?
Mark,
I was able to find them on Pyramid Air, ordered two, but could not find them on Crosman's site.
Thanks.
Just looked again, coming today. I don't even have a pump yet.
Download the Part Diagram from Crosman's website and call the parts department with the part number (Trail Baffle: NP214-001). They should be able to help you out.
Thanks Mike,
First PCP here and I was a little worried. Lots to learn.
I will get the compressor but need to let this purchase blow over first. :-\.
Just wondering as i was putting the gun box away why this company doesn't advertise some of their best features? I've looked at different web sites & even the box & manual. Nowhere do they mention the 300 bar cylinder or the regulator? You would think the company would want to brag about those features! Also they tell you not to fire the gun with the hi/low switch in the middle? I have hi/low switches on a couple of my other guns & i often wondered what happens. Do you blow out o'rings or does the pellet just get stuck in the barrel? Just curious.
Honestly I suspect American Tactical as a firearm firm did not realize just what the Nova's represent in the price point feature set arena. To the non airgun crowd the pump replenishing model would seem to be something and what they focused on. Little did they know this feature set at this price point is as significant as the Marauder was in its day. When I spoke with Jennifer its clear its a surprise to them and why.
I hope the new owners at crosman read this forum & take notice! If you don't keep up with the pack you get left behind. I live where Kodak is located. They thought digital cameras were just a phase & by time they got into the game it was too late. I like my marauder & prod but at least make these models with sidelevers.
I hope the new owners at crosman read this forum & take notice! If you don't keep up with the pack you get left behind. I live where Kodak is located. They thought digital cameras were just a phase & by time they got into the game it was too late. I like my marauder & prod but at least make these models with sidelevers.
How many shots from a .22 with a 300bar fill on high? I read the whole thread and didn't see this info.
We better stop talking up these guns or their going to raise the price. Ha Ha
How many shots from a .22 with a 300bar fill on high? I read the whole thread and didn't see this info.
With a 4k fill and a .100 hammer spring washer I shot over fourty for sure, maybe over fifty. I chronoed different pellets without keeping specific count.
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I will have to make a decision after the chrony test if I want to shim the hammer spring or just leave things alone, looking for at least 30 FPE but more would be fine too.
Here are a few more observations I've made as I've tinkered with the rifle, the first is the weight. I was attracted to this rifle for several reasons one of which was the 3-kilogram weight, that's 6.49 lbs as I understand it. My home scale won't register with just the rifles weight so I weighed myself with and without the rifle and then subtracted the weight of the scope, that put the rifle at 8.2 lbs, that's not a few ounce discrepancy. I've had the stock off the action and for a wood stock, it's not very heavy so the extra mass has to be from the action itself. I also don't care for the location of the safety, I didn't think it would bother me but I guess I'm so used to the ease of my Marauder's safety being right in front of the trigger that it makes this new one seem cumbersome. I did get a chance this morning to put a few shots down range, after filling the rifle to 4000 psi for some reason which I can't explain the rifle scattered the first four shots, then settled in and began stacking the next 16 through one hole I could have covered with a dime at 35 yards. There was just enough light when I got home tonight to try a mag each of H&N Barracuda match 21.14's and a mag of CPD's, the Barracudas grouped pretty well but the CPD's opened up with only about three shots in ten hitting almost on top each other. It's just odd how several will group together then the rest spray around the others. Am off work tomorrow and supposed to get sunshine so will be breaking out the chrony to crunch some numbers and test a few other pellets I have on hand. After watching youtube videos on this rifle I wish I had some JSB 15.89's to try or the AA 16 grain. I will have to make a decision after the chrony test if I want to shim the hammer spring or just leave things alone, looking for at least 30 FPE but more would be fine too.
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JSB 15.89 averaged 946 for 31.6 ft lbs
JSB 18.13 averaged 909 for 33.3
As a side note, with a .040 shim the velocities were 950, 915 and 868 respectively.
Going to try a .150 shim but it might already be bottoming out the valve stem.
Once you've had the reg off/out, you'll realize it's almost impossible to bottom out the poppet valve. Eventually you just shim to the point that the sear will no longer engage with the hammer.
Interestingly, I do think that with the hammer shimmed to the max, and the reg set close to 200bar, this rifle might just throw 14.3's hypersonic...
Once you've had the reg off/out, you'll realize it's almost impossible to bottom out the poppet valve. Eventually you just shim to the point that the sear will no longer engage with the hammer.I did not know that as I have not gotten that far in yet, thanks. Looks like more shims today!
Interestingly, I do think that with the hammer shimmed to the max, and the reg set close to 200bar, this rifle might just throw 14.3's hypersonic...
I'm still trying to figure out why these guns are so quiet? My outlaw has basically the same set up but it was so much louder that i had to get a moderator on it quick or wear ear plugs. The liberty has a solid collar with 2 o- rings about 4 in. from the muzzle that centers the shroud. I wonder if moving the position of that collar would affect the sound? When i get my end cap back it might be worth a try.
Hi there airheads!,, anybody willing to make video showing how to shimmering the hammer?
Hi there airheads!,, anybody willing to make video showing how to shimmering the hammer?Thanks Frankie I’m gonna take a look!!
There iare pics earlier in the thread. I removed mine and shimmed with additional washers. I degassed completely dry fired twice to make sure there was no air remaining. I then removed the stock and knocked out the pin that holds the spring in place. Hammer spring popped out and I added 2 washers with lithium grease and reassembled. It’s that easy. Takes less than 5min.
you do not have to degas the gun to shim the hammer spring. my hammer spring has so little preload that I had to pull cocking lever partway open to pop out the spring block.Hi there airheads!,, anybody willing to make video showing how to shimmering the hammer?Thanks Frankie I’m gonna take a look!!
There iare pics earlier in the thread. I removed mine and shimmed with additional washers. I degassed completely dry fired twice to make sure there was no air remaining. I then removed the stock and knocked out the pin that holds the spring in place. Hammer spring popped out and I added 2 washers with lithium grease and reassembled. It’s that easy. Takes less than 5min.
I was going to ask if degassing was necessary to work on hammer spring. You answered my question.
I had the stock off last night and the trigger opened up to see what is going on in there and was wondering if I could pop out the HS. I really want to see what I can do to make the HS externally adjustable. I have some ideas from what I saw in the earlier photo.
My trigger is quite heavy with a single stage and screws came turned all the way in. I will pick up some metric set screws tonight and also open the trigger pack up a little deeper. Definitely need some side shims on the trigger blade.
Put 25 or so through it last night when I got home. cold and dark but it looks like when I lighten up the trigger it should group well. Trigger is too stiff right now.
Just a thought , maybe the barrel bands are pulling the shroud and barrel down when tightening.. Possible bedding the pillars might help..On my gun, the barrel/airtube diverge by over .070. I'm almost done making almost press fit shroud bushings to locate the sleeve. The barrel is true to the receiver so I'm making a bracket for the airtube that will align the barrel/airtube without bending the barrel. It must be common, I see several people noting extreme elevation correction.
Stephen- It sounds like your gun is shooting pretty well out of the box. My gun had similar results to yours my first outing. I’m glad it likes the Nielsen specialty ammo. Do the barracuda fit tight in the bore? The reason I’m asking is the baracuda hunters I had were really tight in the bore. The gun loves them and would stack pellets at 30yds with them.
Stephan, Thanks for info.
I am really interested in grouping JSB Monster REDESIGNED at 50+ yd. Probably they will need a little bit more power 960FPS so the inspection/enlarging of transfer ports can help too .
Stephen- It sounds like your gun is shooting pretty well out of the box. My gun had similar results to yours my first outing. I’m glad it likes the Nielsen specialty ammo. Do the barracuda fit tight in the bore? The reason I’m asking is the baracuda hunters I had were really tight in the bore. The gun loves them and would stack pellets at 30yds with them.
Frankie, yes the barracuda 5.53 were very tight and the 5.52 also felt tight but I can't say for sure if I felt the difference between the two. The 18grain JSB Heavies didn't shoot so we'll. I think they are going too fast at 980-1010 fps.
Just a thought , maybe the barrel bands are pulling the shroud and barrel down when tightening.. Possible bedding the pillars might help..completed my aluminum shroud mounts and barrel/shroud ported spacers. Almost press fit with additional grub screws, shroud barrel is now very rigid. Combined with spring loaded baffles it is quiet. Way, way quieter than a Red Rider, by far the quietest airgun I have ever heard.
Stephan, Thanks for info.
I am really interested in grouping JSB Monster REDESIGNED at 50+ yd. Probably they will need a little bit more power 960FPS so the inspection/enlarging of transfer ports can help too .
Peter, I'm sorry to say that I did not have a good time with the JSB Monster REDESIGNED. at 50 yards it was ok but at 75 yards all *(&^ broke loose. The group opened up too much to talk about. I have it on video. I will post the video ASAP. I just have to tear down the gun and edit the video so you can see for your self
Finished the barrel bracket. Fits like a glove, no detectable deflection. Barrel is aligned correctly with receiver/dovetail. It will be interesting how much the point of impact will change without the barrel deflected down.
Finished the barrel bracket. Fits like a glove, no detectable deflection. Barrel is aligned correctly with receiver/dovetail. It will be interesting how much the point of impact will change without the barrel deflected down.
Interesting.
I have to change all my PCPs to free floating barrel to reach best accuracy and you are doing certain opposite.
My problem was that POI was changing in according air pressure at air tube.
Therefore I deallocated all bands from barrel to act only as bumper whit some gap between the barrel and band. At some gun I only have to fixed barrel itself into the breech more stiffen.
Did you make inspection how is the barrel fixed into the breech ?
There is no too big gap between the barrel and breech ?
How thick and long is the barrel ?
[/quote Removing the bracket will full float the barrel at a sustantial change in rigidity. Next week will tell as removing the barrel band is very simple and quick. It is my intent to check both ways. as it was, the barrel was having to bend down .070 inch.
OK let us know grouping at 50+ yd by changing the pressure from 300bar to 130 bar.If I find that the point of impact is changing because the gun is moving around, I'll bore the band for clearance around the shroud while still clamping on the airtube. The barrel is secured by three grub screws, pretty secure. Do not have my notes handy, but it's a relatively flexible, skinny barrel, around 11mm.
Thank before
OK let us know grouping at 50+ yd by changing the pressure from 300bar to 130 bar.If I find that the point of impact is changing because the gun is moving around, I'll bore the band for clearance around the shroud while still clamping on the airtube. The barrel is secured by three grub screws, pretty secure. Do not have my notes handy, but it's a relatively flexible, skinny barrel, around 11mm.
Thank before
With the aluminum shroud mount actually based against the receiver and another internal sleeve about six inches in from the muzzle, both a push fit in the shroud, secured with button head Allen screws, the barrel/shroud assembly is essentially one piece and pretty rigid.OK let us know grouping at 50+ yd by changing the pressure from 300bar to 130 bar.If I find that the point of impact is changing because the gun is moving around, I'll bore the band for clearance around the shroud while still clamping on the airtube. The barrel is secured by three grub screws, pretty secure. Do not have my notes handy, but it's a relatively flexible, skinny barrel, around 11mm.
Thank before
You may stiffen the barrel itsel whit CF tubes/sleves bunch (ID11-OD22 mm).
FYI I have Captain O Ring working on a set for the Liberty...
FYI I have Captain O Ring working on a set for the Liberty...
By the way the trigger screws are 5mm..
By the way the trigger screws are 5mm..
Right, I ordered the M5 .8 x 12 mm with the roller ball end. I put the part number next to the link because I could not link just the part. Coming tomorrow can't wait to try em.
Maybe Ill start putting them in all of my triggers.
Outstanding video! Has anyone opened up the transfer ports on the high side of the valve and the barrel. It would seem reasonable that if you could make it more efficient on that side you could lower the regulato setting for more shots, same velocity. If not, guess I'll be my own guinea pig.
Outstanding video! Has anyone opened up the transfer ports on the high side of the valve and the barrel. It would seem reasonable that if you could make it more efficient on that side you could lower the regulato setting for more shots, same velocity. If not, guess I'll be my own guinea pig.
Outstanding video! Has anyone opened up the transfer ports on the high side of the valve and the barrel. It would seem reasonable that if you could make it more efficient on that side you could lower the regulato setting for more shots, same velocity. If not, guess I'll be my own guinea pig.
Have not yet! I thought about it but right now I don’t think I’m looking to go that route. Everything I have done so far is reversible. I like the idea of not voiding the warranty.
Warranty? Warranty, we don't need no stinking warranty, lol. If I have time this weekend I'll give it a go.
I just uploaded a video to you tube detailing what I could. Hope this is helpful.That is a fantastic video. You have talent. Thank You, banker.
https://youtu.be/_Yzb6XzQvTo
Stephen=I got my adaptor from John Hagan-aerotulz@gmail.com. I sent him my end cap so he could get the thread size. Now that he knows the thread size im sure he could get one right out to you. He is in colorado. Donnyfl recommended him to me. I have a donny tanto on mine.
Stephen/Billy,
There's really no room to drill out the High side of the transfer port. It's as big as it's gonna get, given the diameter of the transfer port rotary cylinder. There's a little room on the cylinder to make the Low side a smidge larger. Have a look, it's simple. Just use a 1.5mm hex bit to take the screw out of the right side of the reciever, oppsite the transfer port adjustment knob. The transfer port just slides out. You don't need to degas. There are two o-rings on the transfer port cylinder. Also be aware of the small spring and ball bearing that act as the transfer port's detent. If (in my case it was when) you lose that little spring, a small portion of the flint spring from a Bic lighter works just as well as the original.
I haven't opened up the barrel port yet, as I want to do it in small increments, and need a chrony to do it right. My long suffering better half is getting me a new one for Christmas. As I mentioned before, I had a Senior Moment and vaporized my old one with 12ga double-ought that I could have sworn was a saboted slug. So be it.
Stephen,
Glad you got my message about removing and reinstalling the reg. Once you do it, you'll get why it has to go together the opposite way you took it apart.
Thank you Mike for the help on removing the regulator! I think we could also enlarge the transfer port rotary cylinder (replace factory rotary selector with a larger diameter bolt) like Troy Hammer did for the kral puncher Jumbo. Then once the rotary cylinder has been enlarged the transfer port can be enlarged as well. I hope Troy gets his hands on this gun soon.
By the way the trigger screws are 5mm..
Right, I ordered the M5 .8 x 12 mm with the roller ball end. I put the part number next to the link because I could not link just the part. Coming tomorrow can't wait to try em.
Maybe Ill start putting them in all of my triggers.
Stephen/Billy,How about sharing the regulator info. I haven't taken the rotary valve out yet. i am not interested in a dual power setting. Could I make a stationary plug that would replace the valve and drill that for a larger port?
There's really no room to drill out the High side of the transfer port. It's as big as it's gonna get, given the diameter of the transfer port rotary cylinder. There's a little room on the cylinder to make the Low side a smidge larger. Have a look, it's simple. Just use a 1.5mm hex bit to take the screw out of the right side of the reciever, oppsite the transfer port adjustment knob. The transfer port just slides out. You don't need to degas. There are two o-rings on the transfer port cylinder. Also be aware of the small spring and ball bearing that act as the transfer port's detent. If (in my case it was when) you lose that little spring, a small portion of the flint spring from a Bic lighter works just as well as the original.
I haven't opened up the barrel port yet, as I want to do it in small increments, and need a chrony to do it right. My long suffering better half is getting me a new one for Christmas. As I mentioned before, I had a Senior Moment and vaporized my old one with 12ga double-ought that I could have sworn was a saboted slug. So be it.
Stephen,
Glad you got my message about removing and reinstalling the reg. Once you do it, you'll get why it has to go together the opposite way you took it apart.
By the way the trigger screws are 5mm..
Right, I ordered the M5 .8 x 12 mm with the roller ball end. I put the part number next to the link because I could not link just the part. Coming tomorrow can't wait to try em.
Maybe Ill start putting them in all of my triggers.
I think these will work nicely!
Billy,Coincidentally, I am a bike shop. Rohm Performance Machine. Used to do a lot of magazine work, manufactured parts, built race engines etc. Still dabble in that but am primarily a dyno shop now, a lot more fun.
Reg removal and reinstall info is on page 26 of this thread, reply #514. The only thing I didn't mention is to use something like a strip of inner tube or even thin cardboard to wrap around the tip of the regulator before you use a pair of pliers to unscrew the reg from the action.
As for drilling out the existing t-port cylinder, I don't know. Tho looking at the action I'd think not. Drilling out the hole for a larger t-port cylinder looks like you'd have to mill a "half moon" channel into the bottom of the barrel itself, due to the fact that the existing t-port cylinder almost makes contact with the bottom of the barrel already. I'm also pretty sure that even if you made your own one size transfer port "plug", it couldn't be drilled out any larger than the factory size.
But this is just an educated guess from an old motorcycle mechanic who has an air rifle addiction. I am by no means an air rifle designer or professional air rifle gunsmith. So someone more knowledgeable than myself would have to answer your question with 100% certainty.
By the way the trigger screws are 5mm..
Right, I ordered the M5 .8 x 12 mm with the roller ball end. I put the part number next to the link because I could not link just the part. Coming tomorrow can't wait to try em.
Maybe Ill start putting them in all of my triggers.
I think these will work nicely!
I hope this works, here is a link to the Spreadsheet Pat got from Jennifer. It's pretty cool the way they laid it out. Let me know if you can't download it and I'll try something else:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mk11xvnukz5fwy/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.xlsx?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mk11xvnukz5fwy/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.xlsx?dl=0)
Finished the barrel bracket. Fits like a glove, no detectable deflection. Barrel is aligned correctly with receiver/dovetail. It will be interesting how much the point of impact will change without the barrel deflected downPat, I decided to full float the barrel so I rebored the shroud support so that it does not contact the shroud. The shroud can slightly move within the support . In these pics you will see that I made pieces that push fit in the shroud tube to make the entire shroud/barrel a rigid unit. Note the shroud base mount, I'm going to longitudinally attach that to the receiver to stiffen it further, it is also grub screwed to the barrel.
Billy= How did the bracket you made work out as far as the POI changing? I decided to clean my barrel after about a tin through it. I leave out the small screw on the base of the shroud so i just have to loosen the shroud/cylinder bracket screw & remove the shroud without removing the stock. After putting the shroud back on the rifle it was shooting 2in to the left? As you said there is barrel deflection. I removed that pedestal bracket for the cylinder & just went with the shroud/cylinder bracket. But as mike said, moving the shroud/cylinder bracket forwards or back will also change POI. There is definitely barrel stress being applied by the shroud brackets!
Finished the barrel bracket. Fits like a glove, no detectable deflection. Barrel is aligned correctly with receiver/dovetail. It will be interesting how much the point of impact will change without the barrel deflected downPat, I decided to full float the barrel so I rebored the shroud support so that it does not contact the shroud. The shroud can slightly move within the support . In these pics you will see that I made pieces that push fit in the shroud tube to make the entire shroud/barrel a rigid unit. Note the shroud base mount, I'm going to longitudinally attach that to the receiver to stiffen it further, it is also grub screwed to the barrel.
Billy= How did the bracket you made work out as far as the POI changing? I decided to clean my barrel after about a tin through it. I leave out the small screw on the base of the shroud so i just have to loosen the shroud/cylinder bracket screw & remove the shroud without removing the stock. After putting the shroud back on the rifle it was shooting 2in to the left? As you said there is barrel deflection. I removed that pedestal bracket for the cylinder & just went with the shroud/cylinder bracket. But as mike said, moving the shroud/cylinder bracket forwards or back will also change POI. There is definitely barrel stress being applied by the shroud brackets!
I also added a guage that will indicate regulated pressure. I'm doing a couple other things so It'll be a couple days until it goes together
Billy = I did see your earlier photos & that's why i was wondering how it worked out? But i can see that the way you did it there is no way now that the shroud can affect the POI. Nice work!! The one screw on my shroud base unit is striped on mine so i will try adding another screw on the opposite side. Another reason i dislike plastic!! I could always bring the piece to a machine shop & have one made. I was wondering how long it would be before someone added a reg gauge. Did you find a gauge to fit the existing threads or did you drill & tap the cover?I had a guage that is 1/8 npt so I just drilled and tapped the regulator resevoir screw in plug, it is plenty thick. I'm going to find as guage with a wider scale for more resolution but this is what I had on hand. Not sure of the diameter, I'll check when I get to the shop, about the diameter of the plenum. 20mm guage.
By the way for those trying to lighten the trigger pull.. There is only so far you can go.. After so far, you can take it out completly and still have the same pull.. The hex head in the trigger has a shoulder on it for the springs washer to rest on .. So once the hex is backed out far enough, the washer no longer engages the shoulder of it.. The only option is to find a lighter spring..
Stephen great vid. I’m not sure I’ll attempt that just yet but it in the future.
QuoteStephen great vid. I’m not sure I’ll attempt that just yet but it in the future.
If I had a money or a spare Liberty to experiment with I'd try it. But I don't have this luxury.
It does make for interesting viewing and reading.
QuoteStephen great vid. I’m not sure I’ll attempt that just yet but it in the future.
If I had a money or a spare Liberty to experiment with I'd try it. But I don't have this luxury.
It does make for interesting viewing and reading.
It makes a lot sense to do in the future but for some reason I’m having a hard time messing with too much at this point. My rifle shoots really good. Like really really good. I’m kind of asking myself now do you even want to open this thing back up and risk losing some accuracy. I don’t think I want to until after squirrel season ends in February. What types of groups have you guys been getting at 30-50yds and further? Just wanting to know bc right now the limiting factor is me. I stacked and I mean literally stacked 4 in the same hole at 50yds. I wasnt sure where I was hitting after the 3rd and fourth shot so I dialed 4 clicks right and saw my 5th hit along the same elvation a little off to the right. I was shooting jsb 18.13 travelling about 940-950. This seems to be sweet spot for my barrel.
I received an e-mail from Jennifer yesterday stating that they just received a parts shipment for the Nova's. Lack of parts may be the reason for the delay.
QuoteStephen great vid. I’m not sure I’ll attempt that just yet but it in the future.
If I had a money or a spare Liberty to experiment with I'd try it. But I don't have this luxury.
It does make for interesting viewing and reading.
It makes a lot sense to do in the future but for some reason I’m having a hard time messing with too much at this point. My rifle shoots really good. Like really really good. I’m kind of asking myself now do you even want to open this thing back up and risk losing some accuracy. I don’t think I want to until after squirrel season ends in February. What types of groups have you guys been getting at 30-50yds and further? Just wanting to know bc right now the limiting factor is me. I stacked and I mean literally stacked 4 in the same hole at 50yds. I wasnt sure where I was hitting after the 3rd and fourth shot so I dialed 4 clicks right and saw my 5th hit along the same elvation a little off to the right. I was shooting jsb 18.13 travelling about 940-950. This seems to be sweet spot for my barrel.
Frankie I agree that this gun is so amazing with just a small 1/4 turn on the reg and two shims on hammer. I just can't sleep until I figure out how it works and get just a little more power. I too put 3 pellets touching out of five at 109yards on Friday and the other two pellets just to the right taken by the wind.
Man it’s difficult to decide between the Nova Vista Liberty and the Artemis P15.. I like the form factor and the larger air reservoir of the P15 but barrel quality seems to be very hit and miss.. The Liberty is heavier and longer but most everyone raves about its accuracy..
Ray=Were you shooting on low power? I just shot 10 crosman 7.4 destroyers and got 733 fps on low & 940 fps on high.I bought a 177 synthetic and won’t be able to shoot it until April. What kind of groups pellets distance are you getting with the 177?
Ray- My .22 was shooting about 730 FPS on the high setting when I got it. I just degasssed and moved the regulator adjuster about 1/3 of turn counter clockwise. Brought the velocity up close to what others were stating.
Ray- My .22 was shooting about 730 FPS on the high setting when I got it. I just degasssed and moved the regulator adjuster about 1/3 of turn counter clockwise. Brought the velocity up close to what others were stating.
I thought the Banker said to turn it "counter clockwise" in his video?
Does it make it a lot easier to adjust the regulator when it's degassed? I'm thinking of trying to turn it using a pick by not disassembling.
Ray- My .22 was shooting about 730 FPS on the high setting when I got it. I just degasssed and moved the regulator adjuster about 1/3 of turn counter clockwise. Brought the velocity up close to what others were stating.
I thought the Banker said to turn it "counter clockwise" in his video?
Does it make it a lot easier to adjust the regulator when it's degassed? I'm thinking of trying to turn it using a pick by not disassembling.
I haven’t tried with the gun aired up but I don’t think you can move the dial while the gun is under pressure. I could be wrong. Hasn’t been a big deal for me to degas though so I don’t worry about it.
By the way ATI SANTA20 for 20% of airguns...Now that’s a good deal😳😎
Any one else notice this rifle could be converted to left-hand cocking with just a little machining? Dave
I do have one question to those that shimmed the hammer spring, did yours have any washers or shims on it? Mine had nothing at all.. I did polish the end of the spring and added a thin flat washer so the spring will not to ride on the plastic haammer spring guide...
Ray,QuoteI do have one question to those that shimmed the hammer spring, did yours have any washers or shims on it? Mine had nothing at all.. I did polish the end of the spring and added a thin flat washer so the spring will not to ride on the plastic haammer spring guide...
Mine did not have any washers either. I did add two washers to boost the FPS.
Wondering how many versions of the Liberty are there now?
Need to adjust the regulator now and should be good.
The end of the spring on both ends were already milled flat. Good idea with using thin flat washer so the spring doesn't ride on plastic hammer guide.
What caliber did you receive. Maybe it’s a .177 thing.
Frankie= I just checked my .177 & .22 and they both had the washers on the spring guide. The parts diagram doesn't show any washers on the guide so maybe there's a revised diagram out? I wonder if the build date tells us anything? The dates are on the air cylinder at the front. Both of my guns have a build dates are 5/18.
Can anyone tell me the thread size on the fill probe? I can't seem to find it mentioned. My hose is 1/8 foster female so I need a male fitting with the correct thread. Thanks in advance.
Can anyone tell me the thread size on the fill probe? I can't seem to find it mentioned. My hose is 1/8 foster female so I need a male fitting with the correct thread. Thanks in advance.
It's pre machined foster male... Now the mags, been using the Umerex Gauntlets effed up the 1st one on the 3rd pellet...
Can anyone tell me the thread size on the fill probe? I can't seem to find it mentioned. My hose is 1/8 foster female so I need a male fitting with the correct thread. Thanks in advance.
It's pre machined foster male... Now the mags, been using the Umerex Gauntlets effed up the 1st one on the 3rd pellet...
What kind of issues are you having with the magazines? Just curious because I seem to have a lot more double feeds than I would expect.
Also, I got myself in a bit of a jam and need some help. I was going to remove the hammer spring to add a couple washers and removed the wrong pin by mistake (don't ask, just a dumb move on my part). Something shifted as I removed it and now I can' get it back where it belongs. I believe the silver part inside the hammer spring hole (probably the shear) shifted, but I can't seem to get it aligned where it should be to get the pin back in. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
I suspect the pin I removed is the pivot pin for the sear, but I'm having a heck of a time getting it realigned. I have not removed or moved anything else, but without being to replace that pin in the hole on the sear, the gun is inoperable. Just real tight quarters and I'm afraid to take it apart any further and have more parts come loose and get misaligned. It's frustrating when ya just can'r get it back together!
I am about to order a Nova Vista Liberty from ATI. I've missed the conversation regarding its magazine - does the stock magazine have issues and if so what is the replacement mag to order? Thanks.
Lostcoast, one of my two mags had to be replaced, just sent it to ATI Wednesday and am waiting on the replacement. Tried the normal fix that works on mrod mags but just didn't want to work on the Liberty mag. I bent the spring to increase the tension pushing it into the hole in the back plate but no matter what I tried it would pop out when I wound it to fill the mag, the other one works perfectly. I also use my three mrod mags with the Liberty and they work just fine, they just don't snap when you insert them in the breach but feed perfectly. Hope this helps.
Lostcoast, one of my two mags had to be replaced, just sent it to ATI Wednesday and am waiting on the replacement. Tried the normal fix that works on mrod mags but just didn't want to work on the Liberty mag. I bent the spring to increase the tension pushing it into the hole in the back plate but no matter what I tried it would pop out when I wound it to fill the mag, the other one works perfectly. I also use my three mrod mags with the Liberty and they work just fine, they just don't snap when you insert them in the breach but feed perfectly. Hope this helps.
I hope this works, here is a link to the Spreadsheet Pat got from Jennifer. It's pretty cool the way they laid it out. Let me know if you can't download it and I'll try something else:
Thanks for the file. Just added it to my dropbox. Got a 22 liberty coming. Chet
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mk11xvnukz5fwy/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.xlsx?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mk11xvnukz5fwy/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.xlsx?dl=0)
If anyone needs it i converted the spread sheet to PDF
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wb1ef7kpzs2pc9h/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/wb1ef7kpzs2pc9h/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.pdf?dl=0)
I finally heard back from ATI about my leaky gun, it has been 3 weeks since they received it back.Yeah. They are a more firearms focused company as in Ar platform rifles. I think they will probably be getting more help on the airgun side of things though. Might be a good job opportunity for someone if they live close to them.
They told me they have no way to pump the gun up to try to fix the leak and are going to be sending me a replacement with a wood stock like I asked for at no charge to me. Kind of upset that they kept me waiting for 3 weeks when they had no way to even test it/pump it up. Obviously airguns are not their main focus and I wouldn’t expect much help from them on problems/repairs. At least they have gotten the parts diagrams for us.
I look forward to getting the gun back and plan on at least shimming the hammer spring.
Obviously airguns are not their main focus and I wouldn’t expect much help from them on problems/repairs.
+1 😳QuoteObviously airguns are not their main focus and I wouldn’t expect much help from them on problems/repairs.
Sounds like they though this was just going to be a commodity item akin to the powder burners they sell. Once they sell them they very rarely get returns or hear from the customer again.
I'm wondering if their now asking themselves what the heck have they gotten themselves into. Doesn't sound like they really thought this through.
I'd be very surprised to see them keep the contract for much more than a year.
When they are having a SUPER SALE we will know that they are throwing in the towel.
Anyones first shot crazy high, then settles down ? I timed mine to about 45 minute to equal the fastest shot again.. After the first shot 1-30 minute not much of a difference in fps ...
Anyone having problems with double feeds? This may be unique to the .177 due to the small pellet size. This seems to happen at least once or twice every time I pull out the Liberty to shoot. Sometime it just jams, other times it flips the pellet and feeds it backwards and other times it just loads two pellets. It's not unique to one brand of pellet either. Just curious what's up and how do I stop it from happening?
Good point Mark, unfortunately, the Liberty mag doesn't have the multiple holes for the spring like the Mrod mags do. So, no option to adjust the tension other than going a whole other turn of the coil, which is probably way too much tension!
That's a sign ...Jason, check your messages (I sent you a time-sensitive PM, and hope you don't see it late).
Here are 2 5 shot groups I shot with NSA the one on the right 15. gr almost 1 hole, was shooting over crono, and not fully paying attention"what's new" . And the scattered almost touching was the 19. gr . both .177.How many yards and what fps for the 15 and 19? Ordered the 15 to try in my 177’s
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vggrwvrh6ko5f7g/20181229_103004.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/vggrwvrh6ko5f7g/20181229_103004.jpg?dl=0)
21 gr. stuck in the barrel @ factory power setting. I did a barrel slug and will dig up pics & measurements of that when I figure out where in the cloud they went ::)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/79vl32t6szraj1k/20181229_115344.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/79vl32t6szraj1k/20181229_115344.jpg?dl=0)
I got one of the cheap clamp on chronographs from Aliexpress and was able to take some readings off my liberty this evening. I am thinking I need to turn the reg as it seems a little slow but IDK for sure. What do you guys think.
Hi Matt, counterclockwise to increase power. No the shroud can stay on. I use a thin Alan key or any thing rod to spin the brass adjuster. I took off the shroud the first time and made a mark. Now I just push/spin the wheel with everything attached but you do have to remove the air. It way too much pressure otherwise.
Front screw adjust the travel to the second stage .. One under the trigger is suppose to adjust the pull weight, the one behind the trigger is to adjust the second stage letoff..The one behind that does nothing.. If you want a much better trigger do this.. Remove the trigger and you will see the very rear one has to be removed this way.. Switch the one behind the trigger to the very rear hole and adjust it, and the one that one does nothing put behind the trigger..
One more photoCan you do a YouTube video on how you are making a rifle stock as I would love to see your setup😎
STEVE. WOW !!!+1😎
Guys,
I had GEO print up some K baffles, and expansion chamber wrapped in felt and dropped those and a spring in my shroud last night. The result was nothing more than a soft poof at about 31fpe. The 18 gr pellet hitting a branch in a tree about 100' away was three times as loud as the report. This is much much better than the Benjamin baffle and much better then the 4 other baffles I had been using from somewhere else. GEO and I are working on a drop in set that you can order directly from him. We are trying to fine tune the setup a bit as I had just requested some generic pieces. BTW this all drops in under the factory shroud cap.
Geo does really nice work and is a great guy to do business with!
More to follow.
a little closer lookVery nice 👍🏾 would like to make my own. How did you make it?
Hey Ken Mike and Alain, thanks for the kind words. Yes, I will post a video as soon as I'm done.That stock looks awesome 👏🏾 where did you buy the wood?
I cut the groove for the air tube using a 1 3/8 inch core box router bit. I did spend about $700 in tools to make this stock. I bought a Bosch 2. 1/4 HP router, grizzly pro rolling sander, a jig saw, Rigid Oscillating spindle/belt sander, rasps, files and chisles. Most of the work is done by hand. I do a have some blisters on my hands.but it's worth it.
I just finished the last fine tuning and shaping the grip today. It looks so "dang" good.
Stephen, did you find some templates for stock measurements or did you just start with the length of pull and guess at the rest?
I'm thinking about something like that with my BSA. I'll probably slide the action back to roughly where your cheek riser starts though and design a trigger linkage.
Hey Ken Mike and Alain, thanks for the kind words. Yes, I will post a video as soon as I'm done.That stock looks awesome 👏🏾 where did you buy the wood?
I cut the groove for the air tube using a 1 3/8 inch core box router bit. I did spend about $700 in tools to make this stock. I bought a Bosch 2. 1/4 HP router, grizzly pro rolling sander, a jig saw, Rigid Oscillating spindle/belt sander, rasps, files and chisles. Most of the work is done by hand. I do a have some blisters on my hands.but it's worth it.
I just finished the last fine tuning and shaping the grip today. It looks so "dang" good.
I took a chance and re-crowned the Nova Liberty barrel. Has anyone tried re-crowning and if so any luck? It's too cold to try and test out if my re-crowning has improved anything. I don't think it will hurt.Looks pretty good to me. I recrown all my barrels using a crowning tool 11 degree offset and yes it does increase accuracy for sure😎 what did you use to recrown the barrel?
I took a chance and re-crowned the Nova Liberty barrel. Has anyone tried re-crowning and if so any luck? It's too cold to try and test out if my re-crowning has improved anything. I don't think it will hurt.Looks pretty good to me. I recrown all my barrels using a crowning tool 11 degree offset and yes it does increase accuracy for sure😎 what did you use to recrown the barrel?
Currently overseas and cannot remember the brand cutter I use😳 here is a similar one that I useI took a chance and re-crowned the Nova Liberty barrel. Has anyone tried re-crowning and if so any luck? It's too cold to try and test out if my re-crowning has improved anything. I don't think it will hurt.Looks pretty good to me. I recrown all my barrels using a crowning tool 11 degree offset and yes it does increase accuracy for sure😎 what did you use to recrown the barrel?
Hey Ken, I used a very technologically advanced and highly sophisticated brass screw and valve grinding compound. Lol maybe I should invest in a special crowning tool. Can you recommend one?
Currently overseas and cannot remember the brand cutter I use😳 here is a similar one that I use
Hey Ken, I used a very technologically advanced and highly sophisticated brass screw and valve grinding compound. Lol maybe I should invest in a special crowning tool. Can you recommend one?
Hey Ken, I used a very technologically advanced and highly sophisticated brass screw and valve grinding compound. Lol maybe I should invest in a special crowning tool. Can you recommend one?
Wait, you went from pic on right to pic on left with just a brass screw and grinding compound? Is the barrel that soft?
Hey Ken, I used a very technologically advanced and highly sophisticated brass screw and valve grinding compound. Lol maybe I should invest in a special crowning tool. Can you recommend one?
Wait, you went from pic on right to pic on left with just a brass screw and grinding compound? Is the barrel that soft?
First I used a dermel round ball grinder ever so gently and then a brass screw with valve grinding for about 5 minutes.
woo hoo. tracking shows my Nova Vista Liberty should be delivered today. got the .22 wood stock. looks like I'll be busy this weekend !!!
I got one of the cheap clamp on chronographs from Aliexpress and was able to take some readings off my liberty this evening. I am thinking I need to turn the reg as it seems a little slow but IDK for sure. What do you guys think.
I dont think you'd want to run 14.3 CPHP's any faster than that. You should see how well they group at 50+yds at this speed for a baseline if you do decide to turn up the reg.
In my experience, CPHP's usually start getting a little unstable beyond 865-875 fps.
If you decide to run heavier pellets, you could probably get away with turning up the reg. to maintain the 850-900 speeds that most diablo type projectiles prefer to run at.
Generally speaking, if you want to run pellets at speeds over 900 , they need to be a minimum of 25 or 28 grains.
Of course, Your mileage may vary.
Ron,
Even with the heavy trigger, and without upping the reg, shimming the hammer spring or opening up the barrel port to 11/16 th's, what are your initial thoughts about the Nova?
why does it start out low and eventually creep up in FPS ? Maybe it needs to "break in" some ? I'm assuming that it's regulated, so I would think that the FPS should stay pretty constant, right ?
Anyone have pictures of the 2 trigger screws you are swapping to improve the trigger action?https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149431.msg1555137#new (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149431.msg1555137#new)
Umm, Ok, did you mean that if it maxes out at 950, to adjust down to .97 x 950 = 920 ???
right now the regulator has one half turn (180 deg.) counterclockwise on it The hammer spring has been shimmed by 0.1 inch.
should I adjust the regulator ? increase ? decrease ?
should I add more shims to the hammer spring ?
I would imagine that I should (like you said) set the regulator adjuster and then add shims to the hammer spring until the FPS maxes out, and then remove hammer shims until I get 0.97% of max velocity.
At that point, if I dont get the velocity I'm after, adjust the regulator again, and then add/delete hammer shims until max, then remove to 975. A very iterative process.
I think first I'll adjust the barrel port, then go from there.
Thank you! Still not sure I fully understand what I need to do... Maybe it will make more sense once I have it opened up. Thanks again for the link!Paul, I replaced all three of my trigger screws with the ball bearing tipped ones shown in the pic. As they are longer and are set screws they allow more travel (adjustment). The ball bearing tip should also be an improvement over a rounded screw.
Jason,
Thank You for the tuning tutorial, I have been wondering what my next steps should be and now I have a direction. Greatly appreciated.
Yup its one of those from Amazon. I think it is Bestsight. I love it for $40. I have the same one on my XS60-C as well but a different name.Jason,
Thank You for the tuning tutorial, I have been wondering what my next steps should be and now I have a direction. Greatly appreciated.
Hey Superchikn - what 6-24 x 50 scope are you using on your Nova Liberty ? I've got a 6-24 x 50 CVLife scope on my .22 gauntlet from amazon ($38) and I love them. I recently bought a discovery vt-z 6-24 x 44 and I'm on the fence whether I like it or not.
cheers
Sorry but I've been obsessed with the thumb hole stock. Almost done just have to finish the wood with Tru-Oil. Video will follow if you want to make one.
Thank you! Still not sure I fully understand what I need to do... Maybe it will make more sense once I have it opened up. Thanks again for the link!What size length are the ball tipped set screws? Any pics? Where did you buy them ? Would like to order some. Good mod idea👍🏾😎
What size length are the ball tip set screws? Any pics of them ? Where did you get them
Paul I replaced all three of my trigger screws with the ball bearing tipped ones shown in the pic. As they are longer and are set screws they allow more travel (adjustment). The ball bearing tip should also be an improvement over a rounded screw. Three screws are not required as one one at the rear of the trigger marked 4 and shown at position 1 in the schematic, is a dust cap. The trigger needs to be removed to access the hex recess in the dust cap and unscrew it. At this point you can either replace it with a longer screw or you may be able to swap it with the # 2 screw (if it is long enough). I installed the longer set screws in position 1 and 2 so I could experiment. So far I have not figured out if I can use both for a two stage trigger. The #3 screw at the front of the trigger needs to be replaced to adjust the trigger position unless you have large hands. I adjust the #3 screw to position the trigger to a comfortable position and then turn the screw at #1 position until I can no longer cock the gun then back it off just enough to cock reliably.
I put a lighter spring under the trigger but it did not make a great difference.
Sorry but I've been obsessed with the thumb hole stock. Almost done just have to finish the wood with Tru-Oil. Video will follow if you want to make one.You did an amazing job on the stock😳👍🏾
Thank you! Still not sure I fully understand what I need to do... Maybe it will make more sense once I have it opened up. Thanks again for the link!What size length are the ball tipped set screws? Any pics? Where did you buy them ? Would like to order some. Good mod idea👍🏾😎
What size length are the ball tip set screws? Any pics of them ? Where did you get them
Paul I replaced all three of my trigger screws with the ball bearing tipped ones shown in the pic. As they are longer and are set screws they allow more travel (adjustment). The ball bearing tip should also be an improvement over a rounded screw. Three screws are not required as one one at the rear of the trigger marked 4 and shown at position 1 in the schematic, is a dust cap. The trigger needs to be removed to access the hex recess in the dust cap and unscrew it. At this point you can either replace it with a longer screw or you may be able to swap it with the # 2 screw (if it is long enough). I installed the longer set screws in position 1 and 2 so I could experiment. So far I have not figured out if I can use both for a two stage trigger. The #3 screw at the front of the trigger needs to be replaced to adjust the trigger position unless you have large hands. I adjust the #3 screw to position the trigger to a comfortable position and then turn the screw at #1 position until I can no longer cock the gun then back it off just enough to cock reliably.
I put a lighter spring under the trigger but it did not make a great difference.
This is the nsa 15.5 slug removed from chamber on my .177.. Maybe the barrel is to tight for them... The flattened nose is from removal...That does look too tight😳 glad you posted a pic have some nsa 15.5 slugs as well to try out in some of my 177. If I’m understanding correctly did you push a slug thru the barrel and out I’m assuming the barrel is choked ?
Superchiken screwed up the quote what size length set screws? Where did you buy them ? Any pics? That’s is a good mod that I want to do to mine and other airguns I own. Good tip👍🏾😎Here you go: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149431.msg1553370#msg1553370 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149431.msg1553370#msg1553370)
Thank you😎Superchiken screwed up the quote what size length set screws? Where did you buy them ? Any pics? That’s is a good mod that I want to do to mine and other airguns I own. Good tip👍🏾😎Here you go: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149431.msg1553370#msg1553370 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149431.msg1553370#msg1553370)
I have finally gotten a chance to shoot again today. I got 90 shots on high power from 3700 to 1900 psi. I am thrilled with that!! I haven’t cleaned the barrel yet and only have maybe 140-150 shots through it total. Here’s my 10 shot groups at fifty yards. The best one is with H&N crow mags. Eliminate the one flyer and it was 5/8” ctc
I haven’t posted in this thread for awhile because I was watching all the posts about mods and tuning. Well, I haven’t done any of those and i’m not sure that I will, given what happened yesterday.
Out at the range again and we hung an empty 12 gram CO2 cylinder at 60 yards. I was repeatedly hitting it (and leaving some deep dents) with the JSB 15.89 pellets. As a final shot, I shot it off of the string.
This rifle really makes me look good! Hehe.
No other issues to report as of yet. No leaks, no POI shifts, and the Gauntlet mags work just fine.
Please excuse me while I go try to wipe the smile off my face... again. :D
Totally agree👍🏾 Now if I can get a Bullpup in the same price range it will make the high end manufacturers take notice😎I haven’t posted in this thread for awhile because I was watching all the posts about mods and tuning. Well, I haven’t done any of those and i’m not sure that I will, given what happened yesterday.
Out at the range again and we hung an empty 12 gram CO2 cylinder at 60 yards. I was repeatedly hitting it (and leaving some deep dents) with the JSB 15.89 pellets. As a final shot, I shot it off of the string.
This rifle really makes me look good! Hehe.
No other issues to report as of yet. No leaks, no POI shifts, and the Gauntlet mags work just fine.
Please excuse me while I go try to wipe the smile off my face... again. :D
Hey Greg, it makes me happy to hear your awesome experience with this gun. As I mentioned in my review, this is, at least to me, the first REAL $300 PCP air gun that is ready to go right out of the box. No need to do any modifications. Out of the box 900fps with an 18grain, 80 to 90 shots regulated. This is the gun that all other $300 to $500 pcps will be measured against. Now all the other manufacturer s will have to up there game if they want to sell PCP airguns.
I haven’t posted in this thread for awhile because I was watching all the posts about mods and tuning. Well, I haven’t done any of those and i’m not sure that I will, given what happened yesterday.
Out at the range again and we hung an empty 12 gram CO2 cylinder at 60 yards. I was repeatedly hitting it (and leaving some deep dents) with the JSB 15.89 pellets. As a final shot, I shot it off of the string.
This rifle really makes me look good! Hehe.
No other issues to report as of yet. No leaks, no POI shifts, and the Gauntlet mags work just fine.
Please excuse me while I go try to wipe the smile off my face... again. :D
Hey Greg, it makes me happy to hear your awesome experience with this gun. As I mentioned in my review, this is, at least to me, the first REAL $300 PCP air gun that is ready to go right out of the box. No need to do any modifications. Out of the box 900fps with an 18grain, 80 to 90 shots regulated. This is the gun that all other $300 to $500 pcps will be measured against. Now all the other manufacturer s will have to up there game if they want to sell PCP airguns.
I own both in 22cal, before putting a lightweight air tube and Huma on my Synrod the two rifles weighed about the same except my Liberty is wood stocked. To get what the Liberty offers at $329 required adding $120 to the cost of my Synrod ( a Huma Reg ) and the Liberty is still more powerful with its regulator, has a smooth side lever which I love by the way, and adds a power adjuster. My Synrod is still quieter than my Liberty but I find the liberty to be very back yard friendly. The trigger pull is much lighter on my Synrod with the lawyer spring removed than the Liberty's, but the Liberty's action breaks cleaner with less creep than my Synrod. I will say this however, I find myself reaching for the Liberty when I wanna shoot more so than I do the Synrod or my Disco.
Does anyone have experience with the JSB Monster 25.39gr pellets in general and this rifle specifically? What speed do they run at optimally and what speed should I aim for, 850fps again?
Does anyone have experience with the JSB Monster 25.39gr pellets in general and this rifle specifically? What speed do they run at optimally and what speed should I aim for, 850fps again?
I don't have a Liberty but here's my initial experience with the new .22 Monsters
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=136347 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=136347)
Bottom line, there is no reason that a pellet needs to go "fast" (e.g. over 800fps) to be accurate. However it is true that domed pellets tend to achieve an optimal ballistic coefficient with muzzle speeds in the range of 800fps - 900fps so that's a useful practical reason to want the velocity a bit higher. It also eases things with respect to cant error and pellet drop on shots at longer distances, say, beyond 50-75 yards.
I have a thousand rounds plus through my 22 and have had no problems with the bolt orings. Glad to see someone address improving efficiency as well as power. I only added 2 small shims to mine and am averaging 875 fps with 18.1 JSB's which is about perfect for me with 30 FPE. The side cocking lever could probably handle a stiffer spring. Good idea.
Do you by any chance have some history with the H&N Piledriver? I see there are very mixed reviews on youtube, specifically regarding quality control.
I've been reading a lot about this gun. "On the other Forum" it was announced that Donny FL has the adapter ready for this!!
I know you have a nice solution with the baffles, but I think it's super to also have the opportunity to use your Donny on this baby
PS: Shipping label just created from Summerville SC :)
PS: Shipping label just created from Summerville SC :)
That was fast! Didn't you just order it yesterday? I ordered mine today. :)
I don’t know if you guys have the same conflict. Let me explain, this gun is a good shooter, so it deserves a decent scope, but then you will ended up paying same if not more for the scope this rifle deserves.
Now that entry level pcp is a reality, we need to have something similar happening with the scopes ::)
Decided to fill to 3900 and see how many shots I could get before it came off the reg. I shot 6 mags before fps dropped to 861. Had trouble getting chrony to read on those groups as it was getting late but the gun has been averaging 875 fps with 18.1 JSB's. I'll post some more groups later. By the way, 59 of those shots were inside of a 1in. circle at 35 yds. and the first one was off as it usually is because it shoots higher than the others. I forgot to "burn" that shot in the dirt. I'm like Steven. I love this gun.I have a thousand rounds plus through my 22 and have had no problems with the bolt orings. Glad to see someone address improving efficiency as well as power. I only added 2 small shims to mine and am averaging 875 fps with 18.1 JSB's which is about perfect for me with 30 FPE. The side cocking lever could probably handle a stiffer spring. Good idea.
How many shots per fill are you getting? I haven't filled my gun above 3500 psi and usually just shoot 3 mags. Before I added the shims I shot 5 mags. Haven't concentrated on how many shots I can get because I am reluctant to fill the gun to it's maximum rated fill rate of 4350 psi or 300 bar. Since we can't get parts yet for these guns I have been trying not to overly stress the orings.
Well, they kinda are... here’s a $72 30mm FFP side parallax 5-15X50 scope on AliExpress:Paul, thanks for replying, that one is interesting...
http://s.aliexpress.com/RBNr2uIb (http://s.aliexpress.com/RBNr2uIb)
I don’t know if you guys have the same conflict. Let me explain, this gun is a good shooter, so it deserves a decent scope, but then you will ended up paying same if not more for the scope this rifle deserves.
Now that entry level pcp is a reality, we need to have something similar happening with the scopes ::)
The Vortex Crossfire II's are pretty reasonable, just over $100 to under $200 if you shop around. Same lifetime no questions asked warranty as their other scopes. I just bought one and it's the first time I've bought a budget scope for target shooting. Couldn't see myself spending $600 on a scope for a $300 rifle.
I don’t know if you guys have the same conflict. Let me explain, this gun is a good shooter, so it deserves a decent scope, but then you will ended up paying same if not more for the scope this rifle deserves.
Now that entry level pcp is a reality, we need to have something similar happening with the scopes ::)
The Vortex Crossfire II's are pretty reasonable, just over $100 to under $200 if you shop around. Same lifetime no questions asked warranty as their other scopes. I just bought one and it's the first time I've bought a budget scope for target shooting. Couldn't see myself spending $600 on a scope for a $300 rifle.
Will check this Vortex too.
Also noticed tha Charlie has good deals on the Discoveries he is selling. For this rifle at first glance I liked this oneThank you for the link👍🏾 Will be ordering a few scopes from him for my growing airgun collection 😳
https://airgunopticsplus.com/collections/scopes/products/discovery-optics-vt-z-6-24x44-sf-side-focus-mil-dot-reticle-rifle-scope-include-signed-large-focus-wheel
I have a thousand rounds plus through my 22 and have had no problems with the bolt orings. Glad to see someone address improving efficiency as well as power. I only added 2 small shims to mine and am averaging 875 fps with 18.1 JSB's which is about perfect for me with 30 FPE. The side cocking lever could probably handle a stiffer spring. Good idea.
How many shots per fill are you getting? I haven't filled my gun above 3500 psi and usually just shoot 3 mags. Before I added the shims I shot 5 mags. Haven't concentrated on how many shots I can get because I am reluctant to fill the gun to it's maximum rated fill rate of 4350 psi or 300 bar. Since we can't get parts yet for these guns I have been trying not to overly stress the orings.
I have a thousand rounds plus through my 22 and have had no problems with the bolt orings. Glad to see someone address improving efficiency as well as power. I only added 2 small shims to mine and am averaging 875 fps with 18.1 JSB's which is about perfect for me with 30 FPE. The side cocking lever could probably handle a stiffer spring. Good idea.
How many shots per fill are you getting? I haven't filled my gun above 3500 psi and usually just shoot 3 mags. Before I added the shims I shot 5 mags. Haven't concentrated on how many shots I can get because I am reluctant to fill the gun to it's maximum rated fill rate of 4350 psi or 300 bar. Since we can't get parts yet for these guns I have been trying not to overly stress the orings.
I got 90 shots from 3700-1900psi. I haven’t added any shims this is bone stock
Also noticed tha Charlie has good deals on the Discoveries he is selling. For this rifle at first glance I liked this one
https://airgunopticsplus.com/collections/scopes/products/discovery-optics-vt-z-6-24x44-sf-side-focus-mil-dot-reticle-rifle-scope-include-signed-large-focus-wheel (https://airgunopticsplus.com/collections/scopes/products/discovery-optics-vt-z-6-24x44-sf-side-focus-mil-dot-reticle-rifle-scope-include-signed-large-focus-wheel)
Also, did some porting of the valve. Going to chrony it tonight with max setting and see if it can hit a bit harder. After pix and before pic.
I hope you get to buy a better chrony. It's one of the needed things if you tune it.What did you use to made it wider and did you go deeper? Thanks
I want a 12v compressor. I tried pumping this thing to 4k psi. That was no fun. Although refilling with a pump was not bad from 2400psi to 3800psi, only took 125+ pumps. My Young Heng is not so portable.
Also, did some porting of the valve. Going to chrony it tonight with max setting and see if it can hit a bit harder. After pix and before pic.
I installed this picatinny rail on to the bottom of the Nova Liberty. At first I thought it wasn't gonna fit right and I was gonna have to use some rubber spacers or something, and then I went ahead and installed it and it's awesome !!! it has a small pin that goes through the stock strap swivel hole and then has a rubber piece and some screws. Once installed, the only thing touching the gun is the rubber and the pin through the swivel stud. now I can mount a bipod (also really good CVLife brand off of amazon)
check it out...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B6S8IOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B6S8IOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Here's the bipod I'm using. I've bought 2 of them and really like 'em.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBA63SO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBA63SO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
I installed this picatinny rail on to the bottom of the Nova Liberty. At first I thought it wasn't gonna fit right and I was gonna have to use some rubber spacers or something, and then I went ahead and installed it and it's awesome !!! it has a small pin that goes through the stock strap swivel hole and then has a rubber piece and some screws. Once installed, the only thing touching the gun is the rubber and the pin through the swivel stud. now I can mount a bipod (also really good CVLife brand off of amazon)
check it out...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B6S8IOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B6S8IOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Here's the bipod I'm using. I've bought 2 of them and really like 'em.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBA63SO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBA63SO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
I just got one of the CV Life Bipods and attached it directly to the stud and tightened it down. It comes with a picatinny rail adapter, but I didn’t need it. It is solid. Also picked up that 6-24 x 50 CV Life scope and it’s nice for the money, just wish there was decent documentation for it.
I hope you get to buy a better chrony. It's one of the needed things if you tune it.
I want a 12v compressor. I tried pumping this thing to 4k psi. That was no fun. Although refilling with a pump was not bad from 2400psi to 3800psi, only took 125+ pumps. My Young Heng is not so portable.
Also, did some porting of the valve. Going to chrony it tonight with max setting and see if it can hit a bit harder. After pix and before pic.
Nice!!! Dony did it!!
Here is the adapter for 40$
https://donnyfl.com/collections/adapters/products/nova-vista-liberty-1-2-x-20-a50
I installed this picatinny rail on to the bottom of the Nova Liberty. At first I thought it wasn't gonna fit right and I was gonna have to use some rubber spacers or something, and then I went ahead and installed it and it's awesome !!! it has a small pin that goes through the stock strap swivel hole and then has a rubber piece and some screws. Once installed, the only thing touching the gun is the rubber and the pin through the swivel stud. now I can mount a bipod (also really good CVLife brand off of amazon)
check it out...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B6S8IOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B6S8IOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Here's the bipod I'm using. I've bought 2 of them and really like 'em.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBA63SO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBA63SO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
I just got one of the CV Life Bipods and attached it directly to the stud and tightened it down. It comes with a picatinny rail adapter, but I didn’t need it. It is solid. Also picked up that 6-24 x 50 CV Life scope and it’s nice for the money, just wish there was decent documentation for it.
well, don't know about documentation, but watch this video.. I learned a lot from it... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LeAu-CYso&t=8s (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LeAu-CYso&t=8s)
Fuzzy
How well does the action fit the stock ? Do you see any gap(s) between the forearm and the air tube ? Or anywhere else ?
I received my .22 cal wood stock model on Friday (Feb 1st), exactly 1 week after ordering it.
Mine has the same crunchy bolt feel, offset bleed screw and blotchy finish, but overall I’m happy with it.
I was able to run some shots over the chrony today, averaged 892fps on high power and 700fps on low with CPHPs. It grouped really well, especially considering I was using the open sights.
The only negative is the windage adjustment wheel is bent and therefore not adjustable. I contacted ATI right away, they said they’d see what they could do and get back to me but I haven’t heard back yet. Hopefully they’ll be willing to send me a replacement assembly, I really don’t want to send this rifle back just for that.
Wheelman
John, if you haven't yet try the JSB 15.89 and 18.13's I think you'll like the results.
Scott, mine is shooting Baracuda 21.14s at 875. All I have done is to add two regular washers(thicker that the ones in the gun) turned the brass disk that is between the air tube and shroud half a turn counter clock wise. If you degass it turns easily with a small Allen key. Just stick the short end in a hole and tap lightly. Pull it out and do again about 4 times.
I only fill to 3200 and shoot to 2000.
T oday was the first time I have put more than a few pellets down the bore. I filled mine t o 4350 and it started off around 780fps with JSB 18s, climbing pretty quickly to 870, and settling to the high 850s for the bulk of the fill. Second fill was to 4000 which helped some, but still had a curve. Anything I can do to help this, or will time, and shots help? I only added 2 thin washers to the hammer spring, would another 1 or 2 help?
Only shot CPs, JSB 15.8s, and JSB 18.1s. The 18.1s seemed to shoot the best.
One of my mags malfunctioned, and basically isn't springloaded at all. Guess I will see if I can fix it.
The regs do settle in, a lighter or under / over size pellet can give some of the sporadic readings.+1
It will show processing until it is delivered.
Especially when shooting Crosman premier domes, 6 will group pretty good and 4 more will fly all over the place. I would have loved to of seen the Liberty shoot them as well as it does JSB's.
Quick question for those of you who ordered your Liberty from ATI: how did they notify you when it shipped? I ordered mine last Thursday on their website. My status still shows "processing" but I checked my credit card and they've already processed my payment. Do they normally send out an email with a tracking number?
Especially when shooting Crosman premier domes, 6 will group pretty good and 4 more will fly all over the place. I would have loved to of seen the Liberty shoot them as well as it does JSB's.
Funny you should say that, my first group with CPs was 5 in one hole, and I thought I didn't even need to try other pellets. I was surprised that I was unable to duplicate that group, or even come close.
Only shot CPs, JSB 15.8s, and JSB 18.1s. The 18.1s seemed to shoot the best.
One of my mags malfunctioned, and basically isn't springloaded at all. Guess I will see if I can fix it.
That's weird too, as mine are boxed CPs and probably 2010 or so. They do shoot in other guns, but the Liberty doesn't seem to like them.
All you guys waiting, I ordered mine on Christmas day, and it took two weeks to arrive, which is understandable. I didn't receive any type of notification, it just showed up one day.
When I got the email that mine shipped in the morning, and before 4 pm the same day it was on the porch..
Upon disassembly I noted that the regulator housing is not but-up against the rest of the block, with about a millimeter of space in between. I adjusted the regulator a bit (about half a turn) and now there is air leaking from that space between the regulator housing and the block. Have you encountered this? I cannot turn the regulator housing tighter as it does not align then.
Thanx Banker, was it just a matter of unscrewing and reassembly until you get it right?
... I used ballistol, take a look at the patches...
Some barrels are worse than others, mine wasn't that bad either. Be very careful what you use to clean the barrel as the degreaser I used also wanted to take the black anodize off the breech. Might want to test an inconspicuos area first.Own a few pb and pcps never had a problem taking off anodizing or gun blue with brake clean
I agree, Brake Clean works great but keep it away from plastic parts such as triggers guards, stocks, shrouds and plastic magazines.Some barrels are worse than others, mine wasn't that bad either. Be very careful what you use to clean the barrel as the degreaser I used also wanted to take the black anodize off the breech. Might want to test an inconspicuos area first.Own a few pb and pcps never had a problem taking off anodizing or gun blue with brake clean
Ok, 3 shims on the hammer spring.. probably 0.15 inches. I think that it is maxed out on shims. Plus 3/4 turn on the regulator.
It's shooting CPHP 14.3 at 1080 fps and JSB 18.13 Jumbo Heavy's at 1050+.
It seems like even though the JSB's are heavier, they fly pretty darn fast..
However, I haven't shot for accuracy at 50+ yards yet. The CPHP seem to be erratic at this high speed.
I'm probably gonna remove one or two of the factory shims on the hammer spring and turn the regulator down until I get around 920 fps using the JSB 18.13 pellets... Thats what Thebanker4's goal is.
Are there any tests (maybe wind tunnel) that show what the optimum speed is for different pellets ???
Hannes - Impress results especially with the 25's!
I haven't tried them yet with mine. Will probably have to play with some shims and reg to get near those results.
Which Discovery scope did you go with? I've been looking at them but unsure which one to get.
Matt
Finally finished the Thumb hole stock. What do you think?
Finally finished the Thumb hole stock. What do you think?
made an attempt to machine another valve with bigger throat and exhaust. however, my grooving tool broke...i was too impatient... all the profiles are done, and part drops in. the exhause and groove will be easy.
throat is now .253 compare to stock .217. exhaust will be .250 and barrel port will be oblong .185.
i plan to run .25 cal later on
i gotta say. i like the valve design on this Liberty. easy to reproduce and mod
Finally finished the Thumb hole stock. What do you think?Fantastic job👏🏾 You tube video on how you made it. If you wanted to you could use a wood duplicator to make the same stock again if you decided to try a different wood 👍🏾
Fuzzy, Oem throat diameter is .217 and exhaust cross section opening is even smaller. i had to open it up quite a bit. i would guess its less than .160 since the machining didnt go deeper than 1/2 of the valve.
i should be able to get the valve done monday when the grooving tool gets here. it may or may not increase fpe due to the small plenum...going to tackle that job next.
Finally finished the Thumb hole stock. What do you think?
QuoteFinally finished the Thumb hole stock. What do you think?
Now when you finished tuning your Liberty and combine this with that stock you have a air rifle that is truly one of a kind and priceless.
Fuzzy, what was the fortitudes regulator set at? my best guess is due to the pressure drop from filling the now larger ports. i think i have the same problem with my gauntlet 22. too much porting, low pressure 1300psi. ports with stock setting i got 100fps lower than oem. but the upside is i can go as high as 38fpe at 1300psi with max HST. just my guess though...
@Stephen - I watched your YouTube video on adding a crown to the barrel. Are you seeing any difference now that you've done it?
@Anyone - I think I read that the power control dial only affects the output power and has no effect on how many shots you get per fill. Is that right?
@Stephen - I watched your YouTube video on adding a crown to the barrel. Are you seeing any difference now that you've done it?
@Anyone - I think I read that the power control dial only affects the output power and has no effect on how many shots you get per fill. Is that right?
Hey Stretch, I have not had a chance to test the barrel yet. I told my wife we really should move to North Carolina cause everyone is moving there. Truth...I want some warmer weather so I can shoot more often. I'll let you know how the barrel performs as soon as possible.
... I told my wife we really should move to North Carolina cause everyone is moving there....
Stephen, that is a very informative video and very well done. I'm sure that a lot of people will benefit by it and should encourage a lot of them to roll up their sleeves.
Thanks for a lot of well spent effort.
All the more amazing given your first gunstock! Also, mostly with hand power tools. and also doing the video... Thx. I appreciate the process that went into this.
And I'm scared to try a adj cheek riser to the oem wood stock. ::)
WOW! :o That stock is beautiful! You just turned that $300 gun into a $1000 gun! Amazing craftsmanship!
Now that I'm drooling, anyone seen a video on how to adjust the trigger on this rifle? I have swapped the two back screws, but I'm not sure what else to adjust for what or how much to adjust which screw. I'm looking to lighten the trigger as much as possible, yet still be safe. Thanks...
WOW! :o That stock is beautiful! You just turned that $300 gun into a $1000 gun! Amazing craftsmanship!
Now that I'm drooling, anyone seen a video on how to adjust the trigger on this rifle? I have swapped the two back screws, but I'm not sure what else to adjust for what or how much to adjust which screw. I'm looking to lighten the trigger as much as possible, yet still be safe. Thanks...
Hey Paul, Thank you! I believe it's the last screw behind the trigger that adjusts the second stage weight. I screwed it all the way down then backed it out incrementally until I got the lightest pull weight but I can still turn on the Manual safety. I hope that makes sense.
WOW! :o That stock is beautiful! You just turned that $300 gun into a $1000 gun! Amazing craftsmanship!
Now that I'm drooling, anyone seen a video on how to adjust the trigger on this rifle? I have swapped the two back screws, but I'm not sure what else to adjust for what or how much to adjust which screw. I'm looking to lighten the trigger as much as possible, yet still be safe. Thanks...
Hey Paul, Thank you! I believe it's the last screw behind the trigger that adjusts the second stage weight. I screwed it all the way down then backed it out incrementally until I got the lightest pull weight but I can still turn on the Manual safety. I hope that makes sense.
Hi Stephen, Paul
I'm finishing editing the first of a series of videos I want to do about the Liberty. I'll document everything I'll be doing on it with short videos that can be used as reference.
The first has nothing, just first impressions and me shooting with the open sight. But later I'll cover trigger adjustment, fixing those magazines, hammer spring tuning, regulator adjustment and all the things you guys have documented on this post!
I'll post the video here in this thread when finished
Hey folks,
I just uploaded the video. Hope we can document most of the pain points, and adjustments through this series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZhObzOEzYw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZhObzOEzYw)
Hope you like it!
Stephen, thanks for the suggestion. When I started I bought a camera and spend some money on it without realizing how important was the mic input, this camera didn’t have one :(
I’ve been trying to film inside, but sometimes it’s impossible, I have a newborn baby and that ambulance at the end of the video doesn’t even compare with my baby crying....
I’ve been thinking in a solution for the mic, don’t know if I can buy something that allows me to record just the voice and then put everything together when editing, if not, I’ll have to wait a bit and spend in a better camera... everything today cost $1000, well, not everything, the Nova Liberty is an exception.
If you or anyone have any suggestion on how I can improve this in the meantime I’ll highly appreciate it! Maybe there is a Nova Liberty of the cameras but Im not aware...
Stephen, thanks for the suggestion. When I started I bought a camera and spend some money on it without realizing how important was the mic input, this camera didn’t have one :(
I’ve been trying to film inside, but sometimes it’s impossible, I have a newborn baby and that ambulance at the end of the video doesn’t even compare with my baby crying....
I’ve been thinking in a solution for the mic, don’t know if I can buy something that allows me to record just the voice and then put everything together when editing, if not, I’ll have to wait a bit and spend in a better camera... everything today cost $1000, well, not everything, the Nova Liberty is an exception.
If you or anyone have any suggestion on how I can improve this in the meantime I’ll highly appreciate it! Maybe there is a Nova Liberty of the cameras but Im not aware...
Congratulations on your new born! Yes, that's another great solution. I use a stand alone voice recorder when I film weddings as a backup. You can buy a voice recorder on eBay or Amazon for $30 to $50 that's pretty good.
Here is a Sony with good reviews. But please do your own research.i hate to recommend something onnthe fly.
Sony ICD-PX370 Mono Digital Voice Recorder with Built-in USB Voice Recorder https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XFTWCBJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_taa_gbxyCb4MCSPS4 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XFTWCBJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_taa_gbxyCb4MCSPS4)
Stephen,
Thx for the ideas and always love it when someone is using the same lathe as I have. :)
BTW, agree that having an external adjustable regulator should have a external hammer preload adjuster. I have been looking into options, but also trying to incorporate a SSG.
For your adjuster, did you go to two smaller pins to hold the alum block in the action or just using the stock to hold it in place?
FWIW: When there is no preload, like the stock setting or further back, or low preload from the hammer spring, the adjuster will tend to move. You might want to consider adding a grub screw w/nylon tip to the alum block to be able apply tension to the threads.
When looking for more power do you adjust the regulator first or the hammer spring first?
Stephen,
Thx for the ideas and always love it when someone is using the same lathe as I have. :)
BTW, agree that having an external adjustable regulator should have a external hammer preload adjuster. I have been looking into options, but also trying to incorporate a SSG.
For your adjuster, did you go to two smaller pins to hold the alum block in the action or just using the stock to hold it in place?
FWIW: When there is no preload, like the stock setting or further back, or low preload from the hammer spring, the adjuster will tend to move. You might want to consider adding a grub screw w/nylon tip to the alum block to be able apply tension to the threads.
John, the stock is holding the aluminum block in place. I was going to use two grub screws but i don't want to alter the original pin holes. Yes, I put Felton tape around the the screw to create friction. Maybe a nylon screw will be better thanks
Looking at the diagram doesn't the rear stock screw (the one going thru the rear of trigger guard) line up with that piece. You could just get a slightly longer bolt and tap your block for the bolt. (M5?)
Here is a hammer spring adjuster I made for ATI nova Liberty. This is easy and no permanent changes to the gun.
I like that idea 💡👍🏾Here is a hammer spring adjuster I made for ATI nova Liberty. This is easy and no permanent changes to the gun.
Stephen,
I like your solution. I have been planning to drill and tap my spring guide block, slot the guide for a cross bar and then drill my stock for access. I was holding off to see if replacements would become available so I did not risk ruining the factory piece.
I just order a 2 1/4" x 5/16 - 28 hex drive set screw to try my own version of your solution. I will drill a hole in the stock to allow an Allen wrench access. Sweet!!!
I did have a magazine screw up on me today but I was able to take the mag apart and fix it.
The shims I am using are 0.8mm (or 0.031 inch) thick, and I am currently running 3 with no factory shims installed. I am currently playing with the idea of turning the reg about 1/8 turn and upping the number of shims to 5. Therefore putting me at 4mm/0.155 inch added hammer tension. However this is much more than factory specced so just want to test the water of knowledge first.
Adjusting hammer preload in a regulated gun, really is not the right way for power increases/decreases, unless you are only looking at minor fps tweaks. It is mainly needed to follow the reg pressure adjustment. If you raise the pressure, it takes more energy to break the poppet free from the seat. Hence needing preload on the spring. Drop the reg pressure, and need to lower hammer energy, or will start over-dwelling and wasting air.
Hey Guys - I've done a few mods to my liberty, but my shot groups are all over the place and I cant figure out why. I've turned the regulator 1/2 turn ccw and shimmed the hammer spring with two washers, ported the barrel and power knob to 3/16" and I'm getting around 900+ish with H&N Baracuda Match 21.14 and 920+ish with JSB 18.1 grain. I've adjusted the regulator and the hammer spring shims many many times, but at 50 yards, my groups are still all over the place. My .22 gauntlet is extremely accurate at 50 yards.
So, I'm kinda perplexed here. I think my next task is to take the barrel off and clean the H*LL out of it. And then maybe crown the barrel. I'm also gonna swap out the scope in case that is the problem, but I doubt it is. Other than that, I dont know what to do. Last night I shot a string of the baracuda match 21.14 grains and i actually got 3 shots in a row pretty much in the same spot, but then my follow up shots were 8 inches away !!! what's going on here ? anyone?
Cheers
The shims I am using are 0.8mm (or 0.031 inch) thick, and I am currently running 3 with no factory shims installed. I am currently playing with the idea of turning the reg about 1/8 turn and upping the number of shims to 5. Therefore putting me at 4mm/0.155 inch added hammer tension. However this is much more than factory specced so just want to test the water of knowledge first.
In Stephan's video, he took it right up to coil bind, where the sear won't latch. That is just past the max. I don't think 5 washers (0.155") is going to put the spring in coil bind, but if it does, just take one out. At least on my 22, the oem three + 1 would just take the gap out. So, about 0.087" is just taking out the gap. So only about 0.068" preload on the spring.
Adjusting hammer preload in a regulated gun, really is not the right way for power increases/decreases, unless you are only looking at minor fps tweaks. It is mainly needed to follow the reg pressure adjustment. If you raise the pressure, it takes more energy to break the poppet free from the seat. Hence needing preload on the spring. Drop the reg pressure, and need to lower hammer energy, or will start over-dwelling and wasting air.
Now, the other thing in play here, is the stock setup is like a SSG. There is no preload and the gap protects against hammer bounce. Adding preload adds dwell to the poppet, most of which is on the return (closing). At some point you start wasting air if the pellet is so far down the barrel before it closes. You may also see hammer bounce, that wastes air. As in anything, no free lunch.
I pumped my Liberty to (what I thought was) 4,100 psi on Monday and then when I looked at it Tuesday morning it looked like the pressure had dropped to 3,800 psi. I may not have looked at the gauge very carefully on Monday, so I took a photo Tuesday morning and then again this morning (24 hours later). If you look carefully, it does look like the needle has dropped maybe 80 psi. The rifle has sat on my bench in the house, so there haven't been any major temperature changes. Is this a big enough leak to be concerned about? What do the PCP experts think?
Hey Guys - I've done a few mods to my liberty, but my shot groups are all over the place and I cant figure out why. I've turned the regulator 1/2 turn ccw and shimmed the hammer spring with two washers, ported the barrel and power knob to 3/16" and I'm getting around 900+ish with H&N Baracuda Match 21.14 and 920+ish with JSB 18.1 grain. I've adjusted the regulator and the hammer spring shims many many times, but at 50 yards, my groups are still all over the place. My .22 gauntlet is extremely accurate at 50 yards.
So, I'm kinda perplexed here. I think my next task is to take the barrel off and clean the H*LL out of it. And then maybe crown the barrel. I'm also gonna swap out the scope in case that is the problem, but I doubt it is. Other than that, I dont know what to do. Last night I shot a string of the baracuda match 21.14 grains and i actually got 3 shots in a row pretty much in the same spot, but then my follow up shots were 8 inches away !!! what's going on here ? anyone?
Cheers
QuoteAdjusting hammer preload in a regulated gun, really is not the right way for power increases/decreases, unless you are only looking at minor fps tweaks. It is mainly needed to follow the reg pressure adjustment. If you raise the pressure, it takes more energy to break the poppet free from the seat. Hence needing preload on the spring. Drop the reg pressure, and need to lower hammer energy, or will start over-dwelling and wasting air.
Does this not contradict what Steven has done in his video? His results are pretty impressive.
QuoteAdjusting hammer preload in a regulated gun, really is not the right way for power increases/decreases, unless you are only looking at minor fps tweaks. It is mainly needed to follow the reg pressure adjustment. If you raise the pressure, it takes more energy to break the poppet free from the seat. Hence needing preload on the spring. Drop the reg pressure, and need to lower hammer energy, or will start over-dwelling and wasting air.
Does this not contradict what Steven has done in his video? His results are pretty impressive.
No, I don't think it does. I believe he is running with the reg set significantly higher than stock. From one of his other videos, I think in the 2600-2700psi range. Generally, you want to be running just below the knee in the curve. At the knee, you apply more preload and get less increase out of it. Assuming he still running in that range, he could start dropping the reg pressure, then run the preload up to just below the knee. The lower he can get the reg pressure and still reach the power he wants at just below the knee, the better the shot count.
I pumped my Liberty to (what I thought was) 4,100 psi on Monday and then when I looked at it Tuesday morning it looked like the pressure had dropped to 3,800 psi. I may not have looked at the gauge very carefully on Monday, so I took a photo Tuesday morning and then again this morning (24 hours later). If you look carefully, it does look like the needle has dropped maybe 80 psi. The rifle has sat on my bench in the house, so there haven't been any major temperature changes. Is this a big enough leak to be concerned about? What do the PCP experts think?
Hey stretch,
Did you try to tighten a bit the bleeding screw at the bottom of the stock?
but this is also interesting:
when only playing with 2 variables, HST and regulator set point what you described is right, but check this thread, add another variable (the transfer port opening) and now higher pressures can lead to more efficiency....
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=154625.msg155704114#msg155704114 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=154625.msg155704114#msg155704114)
but this is also interesting:
when only playing with 2 variables, HST and regulator set point what you described is right, but check this thread, add another variable (the transfer port opening) and now higher pressures can lead to more efficiency....
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=154625.msg155704114#msg155704114 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=154625.msg155704114#msg155704114)
The pressure where the gun is most efficient, might not result in highest shot count, ie what Allan said in that thread. So lets say that the gun is more efficient at 2600 then 2000. At 2600 you are working with 4K to 2.6K, but for the latter 4k to 2k.
Yes, porting is another variable, as is the plenum size. The small plenum, I feel, is holding this gun back, more than anything.
Hey Guys - I've done a few mods to my liberty, but my shot groups are all over the place and I cant figure out why. I've turned the regulator 1/2 turn ccw and shimmed the hammer spring with two washers, ported the barrel and power knob to 3/16" and I'm getting around 900+ish with H&N Baracuda Match 21.14 and 920+ish with JSB 18.1 grain. I've adjusted the regulator and the hammer spring shims many many times, but at 50 yards, my groups are still all over the place. My .22 gauntlet is extremely accurate at 50 yards.
So, I'm kinda perplexed here. I think my next task is to take the barrel off and clean the H*LL out of it. And then maybe crown the barrel. I'm also gonna swap out the scope in case that is the problem, but I doubt it is. Other than that, I dont know what to do. Last night I shot a string of the baracuda match 21.14 grains and i actually got 3 shots in a row pretty much in the same spot, but then my follow up shots were 8 inches away !!! what's going on here ? anyone?
Cheers
You are running at a power level and using pellets that others have reported decent accuracy, so would not try to adjust reg/spring to fix this. Starting with a good cleaning of the barrel, checking the crown and leade for burrs, and for any damage in the rifling. For accuracy testing, use the ss tray and make sure pellet centered in channel and close bolt slowly, to feed evenly into leade.
Also check the shroud end cap for possible clipping. Even try it without the endcap or any baffles, if you installed them. It is going to be loud, but if the flyers go away, that is a good clue.
What's the "optimum" fill pressure people are finding for their stock / unmodded .22? I seem to remember someone posted that they only fill to 3,600 psi because that was the start of their optimum pressure?
QuoteAdjusting hammer preload in a regulated gun, really is not the right way for power increases/decreases, unless you are only looking at minor fps tweaks. It is mainly needed to follow the reg pressure adjustment. If you raise the pressure, it takes more energy to break the poppet free from the seat. Hence needing preload on the spring. Drop the reg pressure, and need to lower hammer energy, or will start over-dwelling and wasting air.
Does this not contradict what Steven has done in his video? His results are pretty impressive.
No, I don't think it does. I believe he is running with the reg set significantly higher than stock. From one of his other videos, I think in the 2600-2700psi range. Generally, you want to be running just below the knee in the curve. At the knee, you apply more preload and get less increase out of it. Assuming he still running in that range, he could start dropping the reg pressure, then run the preload up to just below the knee. The lower he can get the reg pressure and still reach the power he wants at just below the knee, the better the shot count.
What's the "optimum" fill pressure people are finding for their stock / unmodded .22? I seem to remember someone posted that they only fill to 3,600 psi because that was the start of their optimum pressure?
stretch,
I think I'm having the same drop in pressure that you just described, I'll keep an eye on it
It took my regulator time to settle in, still get an occasional hiccup but most shots are pretty consistent
QuoteAdjusting hammer preload in a regulated gun, really is not the right way for power increases/decreases, unless you are only looking at minor fps tweaks. It is mainly needed to follow the reg pressure adjustment. If you raise the pressure, it takes more energy to break the poppet free from the seat. Hence needing preload on the spring. Drop the reg pressure, and need to lower hammer energy, or will start over-dwelling and wasting air.
Does this not contradict what Steven has done in his video? His results are pretty impressive.
No, I don't think it does. I believe he is running with the reg set significantly higher than stock. From one of his other videos, I think in the 2600-2700psi range. Generally, you want to be running just below the knee in the curve. At the knee, you apply more preload and get less increase out of it. Assuming he still running in that range, he could start dropping the reg pressure, then run the preload up to just below the knee. The lower he can get the reg pressure and still reach the power he wants at just below the knee, the better the shot count.
My goal is to be able to shoot jsb monsters at 920fps as efficiently as possible. Set regulator and HST with TP at 3/16" for the heavies pellets. Then lower hammer spring tension to shoot lighter pellets. The way I see it, If I can get, let's say, 30 shots of jsb monsters 25 grain at 920fps then I should be able to get 40 shots with H&N 21 grain at 900 for and then 50 shots with jsb heavies 18 grain at 890fps.
Please correct me if I've got this wrong.
It took my regulator time to settle in, still get an occasional hiccup but most shots are pretty consistent
Good morning all
As per my previous post I upped the HST to 5 shims, and I continued to turn the reg down a bit (about a quarter turn). The Monster's are running at a calculated 920fps. Will most likely only get to a chroni during next week and will then do a quick shotstring.
Some observations:
1) This thing hits insanely hard!!! With a one shot kill of a pest bird (mynah) at 70m yesterday afternoon, I could hear the pellet hit.
2) Air usage per shot: I got about 30 shots from 50 bar. However I have no clue where it will fall off the reg, will only be able to confirm once I get a chroni.
3) Gun has increased a fair amount ito recoil, so definitely something to consider for the guys using scopecams.
4) Sound/volume wise, there as been a slight increase ito volume, however the silencer still does the trick.
And this is without changing the TP?
What's the "optimum" fill pressure people are finding for their stock / unmodded .22? I seem to remember someone posted that they only fill to 3,600 psi because that was the start of their optimum pressure?
stretch,
I think I'm having the same drop in pressure that you just described, I'll keep an eye on it
What's the "optimum" fill pressure people are finding for their stock / unmodded .22? I seem to remember someone posted that they only fill to 3,600 psi because that was the start of their optimum pressure?
stretch,
I think I'm having the same drop in pressure that you just described, I'll keep an eye on it
Here's my second test, this time only 18 hours. It looks like the pressure went, oh so very slightly, -up-! So I probably don't have a leak and I'm guessing that the very slight changes in needle position are caused by something else (maybe atmospheric pressure?).
Stretch, i only fill mine to 3600-3500psi. at 4000psi, it is runing low fps. too low to be included in a shot string with 30fps spread. even at 3600psi, i would waste 10-15 shots before the velocity is within range. your rifle may act differently. so it helps if you have a chronograph to watch the shot string from 4000psi. my POI drifts from left to right as the velocity climbs from 880 to 950 with cphp 14.3 grains. thats from 4000psi to 2600psi. from 3600 to 2600 psi. its consistant for 40 shots at 950fps.
Has anyone done a shot string with the rifle set on low power?
I ran a few shots just after receiving mine to see what the FPS difference was but haven't done anything more extensive.
CPHPs (14.3gr) at full power were at ~900fps and on low power were at ~700fps.
H&N Baracuda Hunter Xtremes (18.52gr) were ~850fps and ~650fps respectively.
I think I'd filled the rifle to ~3500psi for those shots and to leak test (no leaks so far).
Aside from those few shots I've ran a few more down the barrel to sight in a scope I mounted.
The rifle has been very consistent and I haven't seen the POI wandering around in anyway yet.
Wheelman
Look what arrived. More than what I need. Just need to turn it down. Made the block up last night. Drilled the hole in the stock but didn't take a pic.
that looks great.
Look what arrived. More than what I need. Just need to turn it down. Made the block up last night. Drilled the hole in the stock but didn't take a pic.
Thank you sir,that looks great.
Look what arrived. More than what I need. Just need to turn it down. Made the block up last night. Drilled the hole in the stock but didn't take a pic.
Thank you sir,that looks great.
Look what arrived. More than what I need. Just need to turn it down. Made the block up last night. Drilled the hole in the stock but didn't take a pic.
like I said I had elaborate plans to modify the factory piece but did not want to until I knew I could replace it if needed and you solution is so much simpler, So thank you.
Exactly!Thank you sir,that looks great.
Look what arrived. More than what I need. Just need to turn it down. Made the block up last night. Drilled the hole in the stock but didn't take a pic.
like I said I had elaborate plans to modify the factory piece but did not want to until I knew I could replace it if needed and you solution is so much simpler, So thank you.
That's how it works...we feed off each others ideas. Are you planning on pinning the block either on the sides or the bottom using a longer stock screw?
@Stephen - What are your 50 yard groups looking like after your work on the crown and other mods? Since we're both mostly interested in long(ish) range target shooting I plan on following your footsteps... :)
Where did you get the long set screws? Do you have a link to share? Would like to see how you plan to pin the block
Look what arrived. More than what I need. Just need to turn it down. Made the block up last night. Drilled the hole in the stock but didn't take a pic.
Exactly!
I also received 4-40 set screws in a few lengths which I believe I can tap into the pin holes of the block with out increasing the id of the holes and allowing the stock pin to be used if factory HS guide/block is reused.
Exactly!
I also received 4-40 set screws in a few lengths which I believe I can tap into the pin holes of the block with out increasing the id of the holes and allowing the stock pin to be used if factory HS guide/block is reused.
Worse case, going to a standard 1/8” pin shouldn’t be an issue.
boys i opened her up to .217 valve and block ports with my custom made valve...i blew the power adjustment knob. that section was too thin. going to make it out of steel and test the velocity without increase in plenum. i can already guess a sonic crack will happen with cphp. before the valve mod. i was already hitting 1050fps with .185 ports. looks likes .217 is the mas without getting rid of the threads on top screw. .195 would be max if you guys plan to keep the oem power knob.
Some finding to report:
My gun's regulator is set ~ 2050 psi (transfer port = 3/16") adjustable hammer spring set light (since it is adjustable I can only estimate the equivalence to stock stock with shims. Form experience My HS is set like stock.
I did a shot string with Gamo Match diablo 15.43 grain(pellet is not good for anything except to test velocity). I filled the gun to 3900psi and shot down to 2000psi. I got 84 shots at 33FPE (15.43 grain @ 980FPS) The Regulator was a goofy for the first 3 shots then settled down. ES was 75 fps over the 84 shots but if I remove the first 3 and last 4 shots my ES was 18fps. The regulator was solid from 3750psi to 2050psi.
Second finding, I increased the hammer spring tension to near max and this gun produced 49.57 FPE with a JSB Monster 25.39grain going 937FPS. HOLY COW!!! I did not do a shot string not to waste JSB Monster Pellets but I would guess I can get about 30 shots or more at that power. I'll do a shot string next time I go to the range.
Some finding to report:
My gun's regulator is set ~ 2050 psi (transfer port = 3/16") adjustable hammer spring set light (since it is adjustable I can only estimate the equivalence to stock stock with shims. Form experience My HS is set like stock.
I did a shot string with Gamo Match diablo 15.43 grain(pellet is not good for anything except to test velocity). I filled the gun to 3900psi and shot down to 2000psi. I got 84 shots at 33FPE (15.43 grain @ 980FPS) The Regulator was a goofy for the first 3 shots then settled down. ES was 75 fps over the 84 shots but if I remove the first 3 and last 4 shots my ES was 18fps. The regulator was solid from 3750psi to 2050psi.
Second finding, I increased the hammer spring tension to near max and this gun produced 49.57 FPE with a JSB Monster 25.39grain going 937FPS. HOLY COW!!! I did not do a shot string not to waste JSB Monster Pellets but I would guess I can get about 30 shots or more at that power. I'll do a shot string next time I go to the range.
Mine is now externally adjustable too!!! I can't wait to shoot tomorrow. ;D
Oh, and the days are finally getting longer. WAHOOOOO. OK I'm done.
Some finding to report:
My gun's regulator is set ~ 2050 psi (transfer port = 3/16") adjustable hammer spring set light (since it is adjustable I can only estimate the equivalence to stock stock with shims. Form experience My HS is set like stock.
I did a shot string with Gamo Match diablo 15.43 grain(pellet is not good for anything except to test velocity). I filled the gun to 3900psi and shot down to 2000psi. I got 84 shots at 33FPE (15.43 grain @ 980FPS) The Regulator was a goofy for the first 3 shots then settled down. ES was 75 fps over the 84 shots but if I remove the first 3 and last 4 shots my ES was 18fps. The regulator was solid from 3750psi to 2050psi.
Second finding, I increased the hammer spring tension to near max and this gun produced 49.57 FPE with a JSB Monster 25.39grain going 937FPS. HOLY COW!!! I did not do a shot string not to waste JSB Monster Pellets but I would guess I can get about 30 shots or more at that power. I'll do a shot string next time I go to the range.
Some finding to report:
My gun's regulator is set ~ 2050 psi (transfer port = 3/16") adjustable hammer spring set light (since it is adjustable I can only estimate the equivalence to stock stock with shims. Form experience My HS is set like stock.
I did a shot string with Gamo Match diablo 15.43 grain(pellet is not good for anything except to test velocity). I filled the gun to 3900psi and shot down to 2000psi. I got 84 shots at 33FPE (15.43 grain @ 980FPS) The Regulator was a goofy for the first 3 shots then settled down. ES was 75 fps over the 84 shots but if I remove the first 3 and last 4 shots my ES was 18fps. The regulator was solid from 3750psi to 2050psi.
Second finding, I increased the hammer spring tension to near max and this gun produced 49.57 FPE with a JSB Monster 25.39grain going 937FPS. HOLY COW!!! I did not do a shot string not to waste JSB Monster Pellets but I would guess I can get about 30 shots or more at that power. I'll do a shot string next time I go to the range.
Do you still have the additional shims on the HS or is this just with stock shims? The first string was shot with no tension on the HS (just like stock) with the only mods being opening up the transfer port to 3/16” and a higher reg pressure?
Sweet I’m going to have to open up the tp. I have been getting 80 shots with CPHP @ 850FPS from 3700-2000psi stock with no mods. If I can get around the same shot count with a little more power that’s awesome!
Mr. Thebanker. i am just wondering how do you find out the reg setting? by seeing the fps drop from regulated or getting a nanometer? i thought yours is at 2600 by your video. 80 consistant shots and max 49fpe. wow thats double shot count as mine and lots of power.
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Ray, the only problem is that my hammer spring adjuster turns over time. Im not sure of the best way to keep it from moving. Any ideas please?
sweet! i thought the brass wheel functions only as the valve spring tention adjuster. as in left will loosen and right will tighten.
inside the valve body, there are small belleville washers, you didnt touch those correct? because i thought the only way to adjust the reg is via those washers. i may be confused to how this regulator works.
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Ray, the only problem is that my hammer spring adjuster turns over time. Im not sure of the best way to keep it from moving. Any ideas please?
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I use it on my trigger screws too.Speaking of the trigger screws, how did those ball tipped set screws you ordered from McMaster Carr work out?
i thought yours is at 2600 by your video.
Stephen,
Both my rifles have 24 washers. The stack pattern goes like this, starting at the muzzle end of the regulator: )((-)))))(-)(((()-((((()-()).
The stack pattern can be seen on page 10 of the parts/assembly instructions download. I printed it off, but my eyesight isn't what it use to be, so a good magnifying glass helped, lol!
Mike
I believe I put them back this wayz if there are 24 washers ((()))((()))((()))((()))
Hey Ken,I use it on my trigger screws too.Speaking of the trigger screws, how did those ball tipped set screws you ordered from McMaster Carr work out?
I was messing with my trigger blade yesterday and using one of the stock screws just to experiment with I was able to configure a 2-stage setup.
It was a bit crunchy and the second stage was fairly stiff but it worked, so now I'm tempted to visit Home Depot to pickup a couple cap head screws to use as adjusters.
But, if those set screws you got from McMaster worked well I might order a couple of them instead.
Wheelman
Below is the picture in the Excel file. To me, it looks like the stack is: )))((()))((()))((()))(((
I assume the gaps have to have convex back to back, soo they have to switch directions in the stack of six. Thoughts?
PS: The picture that is underneigth this, shows a different configuration
Ken how did you get the two stages in yours?I put the original cap screw that was behind the trigger blade into the most rear hole and ran it all the way down. I adjusted the very front screw so the trigger was a single stage setup.
Nice to see you getting that kind of power. I wouldn't mind sending you some of my BBT .22 30 gr. to test, seems even swagged to .215 they fit too tight in my Liberty, for my stock power levels. Sooner or later I will dive into mine,once you eager enthusiast finish ironing out the wrinkles :)
On the other hand they do fit perfect and shoot true and hit hard out of my XISCO Sentry.
I'm not sure if they can be swagged down to my measurement of .2145, darn near a .20 cal. ::) not that would be a bad thing. Other thought maybe I have a choked barrel, and it is on backwards ???
Hey guys. I'm enjoying the wealth of content surrounding this gun, thanks for sharing with us! Unfortunately though, it seems the regulator in my rifle is malfunctioning or does not work at all.
The issue I'm having is that my POI is different EVERYTIME I fill the rifle to about 3600 psi. On top of that, my gun seems to fall off the regulator just after 30 shots (as I can see pellet drop). I don't have a chronograph to see the consistency/inconsistencies but I am getting around 70 shots on high. I've even bought a new scope to help isolate the issue but to no avail.
Right now I'm using Crossman Premiere in 22 but am ordering some JSB 18.3 soon. Any advice would be much appreciated as I am super bummed that I'm not getting the performance that every seems to rave about. 😩😩😩
Where can you download a manual?
Thx Orion, appreciate the reply! Yes, I cleaned it thoroughly when I first got it and again while shooting yesterday. I also adjusted the trigger and it is to my liking. Andbue9, I did shoot the Barracudas but can't remember the performance (since they were the first ones I shot upon receiving the gun).
I'll definitely order that Chrony you suggested along with more Barracudas and follow up if my results have changed. Thx again!
I know that every gun is different, but can anyone correlate regulator pressure with brass disk position ? Stephen?
Well, so much for that. I blew up the power adjuster. It was a loud BANG ! Does anyone know where i can get spare parts ? I might have to make one from scratch. cant find the other side with the screw in it. I'm sure it flew across the yard !
Well, so much for that. I blew up the power adjuster. It was a loud BANG ! Does anyone know where i can get spare parts ? I might have to make one from scratch. cant find the other side with the screw in it. I'm sure it flew across the yard !
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Ray, the only problem is that my hammer spring adjuster turns over time. Im not sure of the best way to keep it from moving. Any ideas please?
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This is exactly what I used on mine. I use it on my trigger screws too.
Well, so much for that. I blew up the power adjuster. It was a loud BANG ! Does anyone know where i can get spare parts ? I might have to make one from scratch. cant find the other side with the screw in it. I'm sure it flew across the yard !
Well, so much for that. I blew up the power adjuster. It was a loud BANG ! Does anyone know where i can get spare parts ? I might have to make one from scratch. cant find the other side with the screw in it. I'm sure it flew across the yard !
Hey Mike I was afraid that would happen. That's why I didn't want to drill the small hole in the transfer port adjuster. There is just enough meat once you open it to 3/16"
We will see how long mine lasts...as soon as I get some time, I'm going to try to make a backup just in case.
HMMMM,
I don't know how the power adjusters on other rifles work but as this one just offers a restriction to flow but still empties the plenum therefore no change in shot count between hi and low, and POI changes between Hi and Lo not really sure about the need for the power adjuster knob on this gun.
Or do I have it wrong? Not bashing the gun as I love mine!
Thanks Stephen, I've been waiting to see how differently your modded Liberty would perform. From my perspective, it looks like you're getting better performance from the heavier pellets and about the same from the lighter pellets? Would you say that you're seeing fewer fliers now? What do you think?
Just for comparison, this is my best 50 yard group from a few days ago (also pretty windy).
Thanks Stephen, I've been waiting to see how differently your modded Liberty would perform. From my perspective, it looks like you're getting better performance from the heavier pellets and about the same from the lighter pellets? Would you say that you're seeing fewer fliers now? What do you think?
Just for comparison, this is my best 50 yard group from a few days ago (also pretty windy).
I think it is preforming a little better but the true test will come when I can shoot without wind or indoors. My thinking is 1/2" @ 50 yards and 1 1/2 at 100 yards. I'm trying to find a place to shoot 100 yards indoors but no luck yet.
I cant wait to see your groups on a calm day as well.
Just missed this...is this still available? I know people that might use this code!
Just missed this...is this still available? I know people that might use this code!
I just tried it on a Liberty, it did not work.Just missed this...is this still available? I know people that might use this code!
I just tried it on a Liberty, it did not work.Just missed this...is this still available? I know people that might use this code!
Wheelman
Lower right hand corner.”expires 12/31/2019”. Should be good the rest of the year.Maybe the ATI store site hasn't activated it yet.
This is 2019, I think.
🤣😂😳Lower right hand corner.”expires 12/31/2019”. Should be good the rest of the year.Maybe the ATI store site hasn't activated it yet.
This is 2019, I think.
I loaded a .177 Caliber wood stock Liberty into my cart and navigated all the way to final payment screen where the code can be entered, when I applied the code it was reported as invalid.
BTW: It is 2019, I think. I'm still working on getting out of 1991 so sometimes I get lost. :)
Wheelman
BTW: It is 2019, I think. I'm still working on getting out of 1991 so sometimes I get lost.
thats not bad for 1 hour of work. it took me a day from start to finish making one out of 416 steel.
* * CAUTION * * CAUTION * * Hey guys, just another heads up. There are at least 5 power adjustment valves that I know of that failed after modification. My personal experience was pretty scary. I had modified the valve to 3/16 for my 22 cal. along with the barrel port and a mild increase in regulator pressure.
I was testing the results in my basement by shooting over the chrony into a plastic juice bottle filled with rubber mulch (works great). Shooting H&N Barcuda 21's I wanted to do a full string. After averaging around 880 for the first mag, I filled another mag and began to shoot. The first shot was an ear busting BANG and the power adjustor valve split. The knob went flying 20 ft. across my basement through some 6 mil visqueen sheeting, and bounced off the concrete wall by 10ft. Needless to say, I reached for the defibrillator pack I keep with my PCP equipment (not really), but my heart did skip a beat or two.
I had somehow inadvertently bumped the power adjustment valve to "Low". This probably happened when I rearranged some items to set the gun down, and fill a new magazine. I thank God that my hand was not over the knob or my wife was not standing beside me at the time.
My suggestion to all those guys who have modified their power adjustment valves is this: remove the valve again and at the very least block a portion of the rotation relief on the back side of the knob itself. This would prevent it from moving off of "Hi". This could be easily accomplished with some type of "Steel Putty", "J. B. Weld" etc.
I do not know if my valve would have failed had it remained in the "Hi" position, but I most certainly would do anything possible to prevent that event from happening again. I hate to "rat" on my own mistakes, but a little humility to save another is well worth the "crow". Good luck with your mods & be careful!
On a different note... I still cant figure out how to get the barrel out of the shroud. It only moves about 2mm where the plastic piece goes into the shroud where the little screw is. Anyone ??? Stephen ?
It is probably not a good idea to put it on "low" even if you didn't modify it, but have raised the set-point pressure. On low, it just a little plastic piece that is blocking most of the flow. Even unmodified, it is probably the weak link.Can someone post a picture and/or engineering type mechanical drawing of this assembly so we can get a better understanding of how it's assembled and works?
Got mine working again. I had to cut a groove in the shaft of the power adjuster I made and use an O ring. it sealed it very well. on the right side I cut a doughnut out of a bicycle innertube to use as a gasket and that worked as well. I used blue thread lock on the screw on the right side. It works pretty well, but I would like to make something a little better, or buy a replacement made from steel. Also, I emailed Jennifer at ATI and she said she'd see what she could do about getting me a replacement power adjuster.
On a different note... I still cant figure out how to get the barrel out of the shroud. It only moves about 2mm where the plastic piece goes into the shroud where the little screw is. Anyone ??? Stephen ?
Thanks Stephen, but that was not as easy with my gun. I actually had to use a wooden dowel and a hammer to get the barrel out. It took considerable force. I crowned the barrel, but that did not help accuracy at all.
I think I've just about had enough of this "dang" gun. It wont shoot straight AT ALL. at 50 yards my groups are 10" to A FOOT apart !!!! I've done everything I can think of to make it shoot better, but it just not worthy. I've tried 6 different types of pellets, no shims, one shim, two shims, stock reg adjuster, 1/4 turn, half turn, full turn, bag rest, bipod, three different scopes with different mounts. NOTHING WORKS.
maybe it's a bent barrel ? I'm thinking that since it took so much force to get the barrel out of the shroud, maybe that's the problem. I might take the shroud completely off and see if accuracy improves at all.
Or, maybe I could try a different barrel, but I'm not sure what would fit. I've seen people use marauder barrels on other guns, but dont know if there's a barrel that I could adapt to this gun.
Maybe it's just a lemon. but I'm stuck with it. $300 down the drain.
I'd love to return it, but I've modified it and voided the warranty.
I'd love to return it, but I've modified it and voided the warranty.
Bummers... It might be worth a try calling ATI anyways to see what they say. Tell them the whole story. Worst comes to worse, there might be a few people here interested in buying parts. I know that's the first thing I thought when I saw the 20% off coupon, buy a second one for parts "just in case".
I'd love to return it, but I've modified it and voided the warranty.
Well now your talking, why don't you compare barrel prices before making a decision? I suggest you look at getting an FX smooth twist barrel or slug liners. or anything below $120, since crosman barrels on ebay will cost you around $31 to start with. you might as well look into upgrading instead of replacing.
of course, you may need a lathe to turn down upgraded barrels. some crosman barrels may not even have the grooves lined up like the ATI...may need to cut a groove for the orings. I have no idea what other barrels OD are, I am sure there are dimensions on forums if you just search around
Well now your talking, why don't you compare barrel prices before making a decision? I suggest you look at getting an FX smooth twist barrel or slug liners. or anything below $120, since crosman barrels on ebay will cost you around $31 to start with. you might as well look into upgrading instead of replacing.
of course, you may need a lathe to turn down upgraded barrels. some crosman barrels may not even have the grooves lined up like the ATI...may need to cut a groove for the orings. I have no idea what other barrels OD are, I am sure there are dimensions on forums if you just search around
If someone could do the FX barrel that will be epic. We can turn the 300$ gun into an expensive FX 1000$ gun. LOL
I'm following this....
Can the regulator be shimmed ? Anyone know where I can have a valve and poppet modded or new one made ? The ports are already 9/64th..
Thanks,
Ray
What about a lothar walther barrel? I saw a site selling a 24" LW choked .22 barrel for $112. What's the advantage of a choke, or no choke? I think my .22 gauntlet is choked.
Hey Mike, I bought a second Nova liberty .22. I opened only the Barrel port to 3/16" turned up the regulator 1/4 turn CCW added only 1 shim to the hammer spring. No other modification.
Shooting H&N 21 grain Barracuda's at 895 indoors outside it was more like 860 fps. Just got back from the range to test my second gun. 3/4" to 1" 50 yards and an occasional flier. It started to get cold and windy at 3:00pm. Winds went from 7 mph to 10 mph in 1 hour. I shot two 5 shot groups at 100 yards. The first is nothing to write home about 2.25" But the second was WOW! I packed up and drove an hour home to post this.
I think you definitely got a Lemon. I'm hoping swapping your barrel out will do the trick.
Steven, how is your regulator working, are you seeing the same decreasing string as noticed by fuzzygrub on your two rifles?
Hey Mike, I bought a second Nova liberty .22. I opened only the Barrel port to 3/16" turned up the regulator 1/4 turn CCW added only 1 shim to the hammer spring. No other modification.
Shooting H&N 21 grain Barracuda's at 895 indoors outside it was more like 860 fps. Just got back from the range to test my second gun. 3/4" to 1" 50 yards and an occasional flier. It started to get cold and windy at 3:00pm. Winds went from 7 mph to 10 mph in 1 hour. I shot two 5 shot groups at 100 yards. The first is nothing to write home about 2.25" But the second was WOW! I packed up and drove an hour home to post this.
I think you definitely got a Lemon. I'm hoping swapping your barrel out will do the trick.
Indoors at room temperature I fill to 3700psi and stop at 2100 psi. I do notice that after filling the first 3 or 4 shots are wacky then they stabilize..
Awesome. What pressure did you fill to and where did you stop?
At the range i fill to 3600 psi but had to refill more often cause thing seem to drop off sooner
Steven, how is your regulator working, are you seeing the same decreasing string as noticed by fuzzygrub on your two rifles?
Can you take a look at both barrel crowns the second barrel seems to shot more accurately than the first gun? Lothar Walther barrel option?Steven, how is your regulator working, are you seeing the same decreasing string as noticed by fuzzygrub on your two rifles?
I took much more care to make observations on the second gun. Yes, initial fill no mods I shot three different pellets. Waited an hour and the velocity dropped a lot. Then refilled to 3600 psi shot again about 4 hours later and velocity seemed stable. Then refilled a third time to 3600 psi. Waited till next day. Velocities went up but not as high as initial fill. Then tested for three more days and the reg stabilized. But I noticed a bit of a drop in velocities at the range today but is was 38 degrees. I just tested two minutes ago after the gun warmed up and the H&N 21 grains shooting back to 890fps which is where I had set them to shoot.
It would be 11 divided by 25.4 or .44307and more. Be cautious, Sometimes the 11mm may just be close to the real size. Regards, TomI believe the liberty is 11mm which Lother Walter on their website would be or close would work?
Steven, how is your regulator working, are you seeing the same decreasing string as noticed by fuzzygrub on your two rifles?
FWIW: I did plug in Zac's data and you see the same downward trend. I didn't bother with the last mag, since he was already off the reg.
Can you take a look at both barrel crowns the second barrel seems to shot more accurately than the first gun? Lothar Walther barrel option?Steven, how is your regulator working, are you seeing the same decreasing string as noticed by fuzzygrub on your two rifles?
I took much more care to make observations on the second gun. Yes, initial fill no mods I shot three different pellets. Waited an hour and the velocity dropped a lot. Then refilled to 3600 psi shot again about 4 hours later and velocity seemed stable. Then refilled a third time to 3600 psi. Waited till next day. Velocities went up but not as high as initial fill. Then tested for three more days and the reg stabilized. But I noticed a bit of a drop in velocities at the range today but is was 38 degrees. I just tested two minutes ago after the gun warmed up and the H&N 21 grains shooting back to 890fps which is where I had set them to shoot.
Your Es is certainly tighter than what I am seeing and Zac has. And it just drifts down ever so slightly, compared to ours. Both of ours are still at factory reg pressure, though. I might try that, even though I was looking to lower it.
On a different subject, if you take the shroud off, like to know how yours is compared to air tube. Noticed a big difference in mine, and noticed comments from others. The barrel band is definitely putting tension into the barrel.
Your Es is certainly tighter than what I am seeing and Zac has. And it just drifts down ever so slightly, compared to ours. Both of ours are still at factory reg pressure, though. I might try that, even though I was looking to lower it.
On a different subject, if you take the shroud off, like to know how yours is compared to air tube. Noticed a big difference in mine, and noticed comments from others. The barrel band is definitely putting tension into the barrel.
Sorry John not sure what you are referring to about the shroud. Is it about tension or sound?
Your Es is certainly tighter than what I am seeing and Zac has. And it just drifts down ever so slightly, compared to ours. Both of ours are still at factory reg pressure, though. I might try that, even though I was looking to lower it.
On a different subject, if you take the shroud off, like to know how yours is compared to air tube. Noticed a big difference in mine, and noticed comments from others. The barrel band is definitely putting tension into the barrel.
Sorry John not sure what you are referring to about the shroud. Is it about tension or sound?
The barrel is declining as you move from the breech end toward the muzzle. ie not parallel to the air tube. It is well below the center line of the barrel band. Once you put the shroud on, it will bend the barrel up.
Yea, looks much better than mine. I can't tell yet if it is a bad bore in the breech or air tube to block to breech alignment. Regardless, doesn't look like there is a way to fix it.
Yea, looks much better than mine. I can't tell yet if it is a bad bore in the breech or air tube to block to breech alignment. Regardless, doesn't look like there is a way to fix it.
Maybe this can be help to all of us to mention that before you do any mods check for barrel droop. (Viagra will not help) and regulator stability. If it's way out of wack than exchange the gun.
... bellville arrangement? mine came )))))))))((()))(((((((((
Yea, looks much better than mine. I can't tell yet if it is a bad bore in the breech or air tube to block to breech alignment. Regardless, doesn't look like there is a way to fix it.
Maybe this can be help to all of us to mention that before you do any mods check for barrel droop. (Viagra will not help) and regulator stability. If it's way out of wack than exchange the gun.
I ran a straight edge across the top of the breech, and that looks to be parellel to the air tube, so it would seem to be the breech bore.
Checking and exchanging, just puts their quality at the same place many other entry level pcp's are. While I've only done one irreversable mod, don't expect ATI to exchange it. I wouldn't want anothers return, either. I'd prefer to buy a replacement breech. That's not possible, either.
Agree +1😎Yea, looks much better than mine. I can't tell yet if it is a bad bore in the breech or air tube to block to breech alignment. Regardless, doesn't look like there is a way to fix it.
Maybe this can be help to all of us to mention that before you do any mods check for barrel droop. (Viagra will not help) and regulator stability. If it's way out of wack than exchange the gun.
I ran a straight edge across the top of the breech, and that looks to be parellel to the air tube, so it would seem to be the breech bore.
Checking and exchanging, just puts their quality at the same place many other entry level pcp's are. While I've only done one irreversable mod, don't expect ATI to exchange it. I wouldn't want anothers return, either. I'd prefer to buy a replacement breech. That's not possible, either.
Great companies are built on integrity. I understand that these are budget guns but even budget guns need to have a certain level of acceptable performance. Returning substandard performing guns and making the gun manufacturer aware of manufacturing issues givies them a chance to make good on the product. If they were to resell returned known subpar guns I would stop doing business with them.
I believe we owe it to the airgun community that spends their hard earned money on these products to make the manufacturer aware of possible issues. If these problem guns are few and far between it will not be costly to the manufacturer. However if this becomes a wide spread problem they need to know or people will just stop buying their guns and they will go out of business not knowing what happened.
I'm not trying to be controversial but I really like these guns and do not what them to go away. I feel like we are getting super value and performance. This gun has the chance to tame the outrageous prices of airguns.
Yea, looks much better than mine. I can't tell yet if it is a bad bore in the breech or air tube to block to breech alignment. Regardless, doesn't look like there is a way to fix it.
Maybe this can be help to all of us to mention that before you do any mods check for barrel droop. (Viagra will not help) and regulator stability. If it's way out of wack than exchange the gun.
I ran a straight edge across the top of the breech, and that looks to be parellel to the air tube, so it would seem to be the breech bore.
Checking and exchanging, just puts their quality at the same place many other entry level pcp's are. While I've only done one irreversable mod, don't expect ATI to exchange it. I wouldn't want anothers return, either. I'd prefer to buy a replacement breech. That's not possible, either.
Great companies are built on integrity. I understand that these are budget guns but even budget guns need to have a certain level of acceptable performance. Returning substandard performing guns and making the gun manufacturer aware of manufacturing issues givies them a chance to make good on the product. If they were to resell returned known subpar guns I would stop doing business with them.
I believe we owe it to the airgun community that spends their hard earned money on these products to make the manufacturer aware of possible issues. If these problem guns are few and far between it will not be costly to the manufacturer. However if this becomes a wide spread problem they need to know or people will just stop buying their guns and they will go out of business not knowing what happened.
I'm not trying to be controversial but I really like these guns and do not what them to go away. I feel like we are getting super value and performance. This gun has the chance to tame the outrageous prices of airguns.
I hope they do the right thing and at least reach out to you and try to make good.
Your Es is certainly tighter than what I am seeing and Zac has. And it just drifts down ever so slightly, compared to ours. Both of ours are still at factory reg pressure, though. I might try that, even though I was looking to lower it.Thanks for putting my info in the chart. I was looking at it and it looks like the tightest es is from shot 6-71 but it still has a downward trend.
On a different subject, if you take the shroud off, like to know how yours is compared to air tube. Noticed a big difference in mine, and noticed comments from others. The barrel band is definitely putting tension into the barrel.
My cousin plans to purchase this particular rifle as his first PCP this week. His only means of filling it initially is going to be with a hand pump. How many shots can he expect to get from a 200 bar fill?
Also, I saw a banner in the other Nova Liberty thread which had a promotional code from Hard Air Magazine. Was this an ad from Black Friday with an incorrect expiration date or is it a promotional deal that hasn't gone live yet?
Barrel and transfer port, power adjuster is 9/64 or .140 from the factory.. Also I ran the brass disc out all the way to the air tube and back one complete revolution at time.. 890-870 for the JSB 13.65.. Never consistent. Another thing when I put the gun up the next day the fps is different (lower).. I usually dry fire once to clear the reg out before running it through the chronograph.. So the only thing I can think of is the valve or regulator is what is holding it back.. I am a old guy with essential tremors and basic hand tools living on disability..
Troy Hammer has been having problems, so anyone know of someone that can help me out with step by step or inexpensively..
Thanks all,
Ray
My cousin plans to purchase this particular rifle as his first PCP this week. His only means of filling it initially is going to be with a hand pump. How many shots can he expect to get from a 200 bar fill?
Also, I saw a banner in the other Nova Liberty thread which had a promotional code from Hard Air Magazine. Was this an ad from Black Friday with an incorrect expiration date or is it a promotional deal that hasn't gone live yet?
I hand pump to 3,600 psi, shoot to around 2,600 psi and get around 50-60 shots.
The ATI coupon is a mystery. The banner suddenly appeared last week on the Hard Air site but the code didn't work when I tried it.
I pumped mine to 3500psi shortly after I got it, because my Shoebox needed a rebuild. It didn't seem to get much harder between 3k and 3.5k than just pumping to 3000. I would prefer pumping it to 3500 because of the extra shots before needing to pump again. If he goes to a range, or in the field to shoot, he could pump to 3500-3600 at home, and then top off to 3000 at the range to reduce the length of his "pump sessions". He would probably get around 30 shots, depending on power level.
So alternating from high to low power does actually increase shot count? I don't know why, but I was under the impression that this particular rifle got the same amount of shots on low and high power. I guess I got it mixed up with another rifle. Anywho, that's a plus...high power for squirrel hunting, low power for plinking. Thanks.
I've been using my Marauder mags and they work just fine, they just don't snap in the way the stock ones do.
Well, Last night I removed the shroud and re-installed the barrel and went out and shot it. I got exactly the same results.. shots are 10" - 12" apart !!! all over the place. I'm not sure if the problem is the barrel or something else. I'm completely stumped at this point. I was hoping that shooting with the barrel in a "floating" configuration would indicate a problem with the barrel/shroud combination, but, sadly, I don't think that is the case.
I guess next I'm gonna try a crosman barrel and see if accuracy improves. Other than that, I have no idea what to try. Could the problem be somewhere else other than the barrel ??? Is it possible that the breech is screwed up, and if so, how could I determine that ? It seems ok. Also, I talked with Jennifer on the phone and she said I'm on the list for parts if/when they get any.
Cheers
Ray, the barrels are tight.. I am trying to get the .177 NSA slugs up to 900's.. I chambered and removed one and measured it.. 4.52 before and after 4.34 !! Doesn't the bore seem to small ? The slugs are fully rifled along the sides..Wondering if they need to be sized down.... darkcharisma offered his valve he made and I hope it would get the speed up.. I don't know if it would..Ray,
I didn't have much time last night, but tonight I will push some pellets through the barrel and take a look at them. also, thanks for the reply. I'm soaking up any and all recommendations. Right now the barrel is off of the gun, but, if I have time, I'll re-install it and try 10 yard / 25 yard groups.Try this remove the barrel push a pellet just past the tp take a flash light shine in on muzzle end. With the pellet in the bore you should not see any daylight keep pushing the pellet at different spots in the bore. If you see daylight the bore is not concentric thru out the length of the barrel hence a tight bore loose bore😎 accuracy will be affected meaning the pellet is not stable inside the full length of barrel as it exits the barrel 😎 in other words you have a bad barrel 😳
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Awesome Stephen, thank you for sharing this!
So to recap, the minimum recommended mods are:
1. Pull the barrel shroud and confirm no barrel droop.
2. Pull the barrel and drill out/debur the TP to 3/16".
3. Adjust the regulator by turning 1/8 of a turn counter clock wise.
And this will result in a more efficient, higher power rifle (roughly 40 ft/lbs). Did I miss anything? I'm not really interested in making this rifle quieter, but I would like to improve accuracy to 50 and 100 yards.
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Awesome Stephen, thank you for sharing this!
So to recap, the minimum recommended mods are:
1. Pull the barrel shroud and confirm no barrel droop.
2. Pull the barrel and drill out/debur the TP to 3/16".
3. Adjust the regulator by turning 1/8 of a turn counter clock wise.
And this will result in a more efficient, higher power rifle (roughly 40 ft/lbs). Did I miss anything? I'm not really interested in making this rifle quieter, but I would like to improve accuracy to 50 and 100 yards.
Don't forget to add a .1 inch shim to the hammer spring. That should take it to around 40 fpe. Accuracy should be good unless there is an issue with the barrel. No need to re crown the barrel. At least for my guns.
I've asked ATI twice via their web form, but no reply. Do they ship airguns signature required?? That is a problem for me as I live way out in the country and all deliveries are made during working hours when my wife and I aren't home.
Thank you
I've asked ATI twice via their web form, but no reply. Do they ship airguns signature required?? That is a problem for me as I live way out in the country and all deliveries are made during working hours when my wife and I aren't home.
Thank you
Mine didn't require a signature.
Mike,
Mine shoots oddly. I have shot hole in hole groups with a given pellet then not so well the next day or a week later. Barracudas almost always shoot lousy out of mine. Most pellets will shoot 1 1/2" or better but there is no clear best pellet at least not consistently.
I shoot at 30 yds for the most part. My gun is shooting at around 35 FPE right now. I was hoping to get better groups out of the Barracudas at higher power and I may have achieved that to some point but I don't think I am getting the consistent accuracy I am seeing from others.
I have a few thousand pellets through it by now.I have scrubbed the bore with JB and a brass brush, two different times. Cleaned it very thoroughly several times. There is no burr at the port and I have polished the crown and the leade. I have knocked down the edge from the leade into the bore.
My barrel seems to be choked. It is also quite snug just past the TP. When i push a pellet through there are several tight spots, they are small spots like a burr but they have not polished out or shot out.
Shooting this past weekend I had a fair amount of vertical stringing with several pallets but not all. I have not shot any Chrony strings lately but I will. I only have the $28 Chinese unit. It works well but needs me to convert to fps and do all other calculations.
I do see some spiraling and my bolt probe is not leaking.
Thinking I need to lap this barrel. UGGH!
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Banker, another great video. Thanks for the info. When you drill the barrel do you do it with the barrel out of the gun or in? What all is involved? Never done it before.
My action is on it's way to darkchrisma for a valve upgrade..
I was referring to possible pressure still in plenum, regulator and valve. The silver pressure release screw might only release pressure from the front side of the block ( Reservoir tube). Always a good pratice to safely dry fire a couple of times to make sure all the pressure is gone. Not being critical at all, just trying to offer a possible explanation.
He built a valve and a poppet for it.. He is going to drill the port and install the valve..
I think I have a sickness...My Branch Manager Can't understand why I'm later for a closing. My Neighbor said he could faintly hear my router at 2:00am. My wife thinks I'm having an affair. But I can't stop
making Walnut stocks. 2nd stock is going to be a Bantam Style probably about 3 lbs and the 3rd stock will be a sporter style.
It's this valve I made out of 416 steel. It's heat treated. 1/4 throat and .217 exhaust. It's huge compared to oem
I think I have a sickness...My Branch Manager Can't understand why I'm later for a closing. My Neighbor said he could faintly hear my router at 2:00am. My wife thinks I'm having an affair. But I can't stop
making Walnut stocks. 2nd stock is going to be a Bantam Style probably about 3 lbs and the 3rd stock will be a sporter style.
If you run out of ideas at 2 am, here's a stock I'd like to see for my Liberty... ;)
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SoCalZac
That looks pretty good! What speed are you trying to get? I’m focusing on the CPHP. You are doing almost 1000fps.
Are you hunting? I’m asking because unless you are hunting and really need this power I’ll recommend to check increases in power with accuracy changes. Some pellets prefer to be shot in the 800 for better stability.
I learned a lot when I was shooting my TX 200, that gun is as accurate as any pcp.. in the 40 yard range. I tuned the spring and while doing so, the recommended option is going with the low power one to increase accuracy, well not 100% relevant with this scenario because with springers there are other factors...but what I want to say is that not always more is better. I think, in my opinion, you have a really nice tune there.
My advice, shoot the *(&^ out of that gun now and enjoy it!! Unless you really need that power for hunting for example.....
Stephen you have the worse sickness than I. The Work stops at 12am. But the thought run wild in my head about what to do and ways to turn a part. Into the morning sometimes. Haha
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Another excellent video Thank you!! I drilled the barrel port to 3/16" added the shim on the HS and turned my regulator up today. It seemed to up the FPS by about 100FPS but I still seem to be a little low on power.
Here is what I shot after the adjustment.
.22 Liberty
Mag 1
MPS CPHP 281.00 294.00 296.00 294.00 297.00 295.00 296.00 293.00 293.00 294.00
FPS 14.30 921.92 964.57 971.13 964.57 974.41 967.85 971.13 961.29 961.29 964.57 962.27 29.41
Mag 2
MPS Baracuda M 242.00 243.00 241.00 241.00 241.00 241.00 242.00 239.00 242.00 241.00
FPS 21.14 793.96 797.24 790.68 790.68 790.68 790.68 793.96 784.12 793.96 790.68 791.67 29.43
Here is a before with CPHP
.22 Liberty
Mag 1
MPS CPHP 262.00 266.00 257.00 263.00 266.00 263.00 260.00 263.00 259.00 255.00
FPS 14.30 859.58 872.70 843.18 862.86 872.70 862.86 853.02 862.86 849.74 836.61 857.61 23.36
Mag 2
MPS CPHP 258.00 259.00 261.00 263.00 260.00 264.00 261.00 260.00 258.00 259.00
FPS 14.30 846.46 849.74 856.30 862.86 853.02 866.14 856.30 853.02 846.46 849.74 854.00 23.16
I was thinking it maybe my chrono (the Chinese clamp on) giving me a low reading but everyone that has one says they are very accurate compared to the more expensive versions. Here is 30 shot string I just did from my AT44 which seems like it is in line with what the AT44 should be shooting.
.22 AT44S-10
Mag 1
MPS CPHP 287.00 286.00 289.00 290.00 287.00 290.00 294.00 294.00 295.00 292.00
FPS 14.30 941.60 938.32 948.16 951.44 941.60 951.44 964.57 964.57 967.85 958.01 952.76 28.83
Mag 2
MPS CPHP 295.00 295.00 295.00 296.00 295.00 297.00 295.00 295.00 294.00 292.00
FPS 14.30 967.85 967.85 967.85 971.13 967.85 974.41 967.85 967.85 964.57 958.01 967.52 29.73
Pellet Wt Shot 1 Shot2 Shot 3 Shot 4 Shot 5 Shot 6 Shot 7 Shot 8 Shot 9 Shot 10 Avg FPS FPE
.22 AT44S-10
Mag 1
MPS CPHP 291.00 292.00 290.00 289.00 287.00 287.00 285.00 283.00 281.00 277.00
FPS 14.30 954.72 958.01 951.44 948.16 941.60 941.60 935.04 928.48 921.92 908.79 938.98 28.00
I am not sure why my gun seems to be low on power I would like to try to get up to 40FPE but am unsure on what else to try. Maybe one more washer on the HS?
Stephen, I tested the valve I made and was maxing out at 1107fps with 14.3grains. but pushing 28.6 grains only at 845fps. With 2 shims to the hammer spring and reg turned 1/2 CCW. The ports are at .217 from exhaust to barrel.
There are two screw ups that made me think I am not getting the speed I was trying To get. I messed up the TP port ...one section was oblong to .250 by the power wheel. This probably is messing with air flow.
The other is the brass tip that seals against the brasswheel is shortened due to damage. This makes it hard to get consistent settings with you guys. My psi seems to be around 2300psi...I need a nanometer badly. And an adjustable hammer spring tensioner.
I am going to put this on a halt for now and focus on the Gauntlet .25...getting 60fpe at 2000psi. But it has much more plenum compared to Liberty. Liberty only has 10-12ccs total. Boy 60fps hitting 2x4 and passing it at 5 feet. I need the Liberty to do that...bigger plenum coming in with 7075 bar. We will see
Ok, here's the latest... I removed the barrel again and crowned it using a dremel, round ball bit and then the brass screw with valve grinding compound. Then I re-dressed the TP hole in the barrel that I previously drilled out to 3/16". I may have had a burr in there. First off, this rifle absolutely HATES JSB heavies 18gr. They are still shooting 8 to 10 inch patterns. I also tried some CPHP and they are hitting the target completely sideways, and all over the place. I've adjusted the reg 1/2 turn ccw and shimmed the hammer +.1 inch.
HOWEVER, I next tried the H&N Barracuda Match 21 grain and they shot pretty decent. the attached pic shows a 6 shot group at 52 yards.. along with my thumb. I now need to chrony it and see where the power is. I also noticed that if I DO or DONT let the reg "settle" by waiting a while between shots, the POI changes..vertically about 1 to 2 inches. The rifle is also somewhat hold sensitive. I think that I'm gonna take the barrel off one more time and push some pellets through it to see what I get. Then maybe I will use some valve grinding compound and shave down the 'step' in the barrel at the breech, and then maybe "LAP" the barrel.... although I've never done that... so I'll have to do some more homework on exactly how that is done. But, for now, it's better than it was, but still no where near the accuracy of the Gauntlet. Cheers
I just bought a JSB pellet sample kit and mine also seems to hate JSB pellets, especially those with less than 5.52 skirt diameter.
I just bought a JSB pellet sample kit and mine also seems to hate JSB pellets, especially those with less than 5.52 skirt diameter.
Do you mean head diameter? The skirts should always be quite a bit larger than that, usually larger than 5.6mm in my experience. Some I just checked were 5.64 - 5.66mm for example.
How do I smooth down / taper the leade to bore ledge ? dp I need to use some kind of tapered dowl or something? do you twist it in the barrel or ???
treat the leade->bore transition - A picture is in order: (thanks to Kirby)
(https://i.imgur.com/WC0gXUM.jpg)
Knock down the sharp transition between the leade and the bore. A regimen of 320, 400, and 600 grit is good for this operation. Wrap the paper around a small dowel and sweep it in and out, applying pressure all around the perimeter.
Thanks for the info. Troy Hammer is looking at making a HS adjuster and possibly a steel TP wheel so that we can safely open the TP without fear of failure. Troy did mention that there is a shelf on either side of the TP wheel opening that could possibly limit how large of a diameter the new bolt/wheel can be. I'm waiting on his findings and will report ASAP.
Nice work on the Guantlet.
Darkcharism, that's some awesome work you do!!!
It's pretty easy to feel loose and tight spots when pushing a pellet through with a cleaning rod. Within some reasonable limits, it's okay to be loose throughout the middle, just not at the muzzle. Same concept as a choke.🤔 I found that on My gm lw cz bsa zboria barrels I don’t see any or feel any tight spots with a light shining down the barrel and the barrels are very accurate. What I found is the barrel on one of my hatsan would group 6 inches at 30 yards no matter what pellet I tried. Crown leade and tp is good light test the barrel with a pellet can see daylight. Got another barrel from hatsan cleaned barrel pellet in the bore light test again no daylight. Mounted new barrel clover leaf holes to hole in hole at 30 conclusion bad barrel. Pellet had daylight from tp to end of the barrel. Same goes with crosman barrels. I do the same with them as I own a few crosman guns. The barrels that don’t show any light are the good one providing the crown leade tp are good. That has been my experience with these barrels. 😎
Without a blast of air to make the skirt obturate, you'll see light weeping around any pellet you insert.
The 5.53 shoot much slower than the 5.50.
But like they say "Your mileage may vary".
BM 5.52 shot faster than 5.53 in mine by about 20fps.
Bantam Style Walnut Stock. only 3 days of work and much better in-letting than the first stock.
Bantam Style Walnut Stock. only 3 days of work and much better in-letting than the first stock.
Wow! When you get bored let me know, I’ll buy you a nice walnut board and you can make me one! LOL! That is going to be amazing when it’s finished!!!
Bantam Style Walnut Stock. only 3 days of work and much better in-letting than the first stock.
Wow! When you get bored let me know, I’ll buy you a nice walnut board and you can make me one! LOL! That is going to be amazing when it’s finished!!!
Thanks Paul. If I get good at this I may take you up on that.
Hi all,
Here is a video I did for a string shot on my Nova Liberty out of the box.
I think it's shooting above average compared with what you are getting out of the box right?
what pellet were you using ???I was using the CPHP 14.3, I forgot to mention that on the video, but it's on the description.
Hi all,
Here is a video I did for a string shot on my Nova Liberty out of the box.
I think it's shooting above average compared with what you are getting out of the box right?
I went right to Keith's graph. :)
From a data standpoint, it is better to average the double feed from the shot ahead of and behind vs deleting.
Deleting impacts the efficiency and shot count results. Same with any chrony errors.
Hi all,
Here is a video I did for a string shot on my Nova Liberty out of the box.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDOTVFuzJm8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDOTVFuzJm8)
I think it's shooting above average compared with what you are getting out of the box right?
Steve
Can't wait to see your sporter stock. At some point this spring, I'm going to try & modify my original stock to loose a couple of pounds. (new long beach-wood diet) Shorten a tad, and maybe try to skeletonize the butt.
I would love to see some type of a semi bull pup configuration. Steal some linkage from something else and try it out. With the lever action, and the way it's weight is balanced, it would be well suited. All I need is a wood shop, two helpers a guide book (how to) and a couple of weeks off work, he, he.
Post more pics as you get them.
Anyone else having issues with double feeding os pellets in these? Maybe it's the .177 more than the .22 due to the size of the pellets, but I've had the barrel off this rifle more than another I own due to it double feeding pellets!If you see my last video, you will see that in 80 shots I got 2 double feeding. I don’t know if it was me or something weird in the magazines but it happened twice.
Anyone else having issues with double feeding os pellets in these? Maybe it's the .177 more than the .22 due to the size of the pellets, but I've had the barrel off this rifle more than another I own due to it double feeding pellets!If you see my last video, you will see that in 80 shots I got 2 double feeding. I don’t know if it was me or something weird in the magazines but it happened twice.
Anyone else having issues with double feeding os pellets in these? Maybe it's the .177 more than the .22 due to the size of the pellets, but I've had the barrel off this rifle more than another I own due to it double feeding pellets!If you see my last video, you will see that in 80 shots I got 2 double feeding. I don’t know if it was me or something weird in the magazines but it happened twice.
It happened to me twice but never again. You have to be very methodical when you cycle the side lever. All the way back and comment to cocking forward. I have shot hundreds of rounds using the magazine with no more double feeds.
Anyone else having issues with double feeding os pellets in these? Maybe it's the .177 more than the .22 due to the size of the pellets, but I've had the barrel off this rifle more than another I own due to it double feeding pellets!If you see my last video, you will see that in 80 shots I got 2 double feeding. I don’t know if it was me or something weird in the magazines but it happened twice.
Anyone else having issues with double feeding os pellets in these? Maybe it's the .177 more than the .22 due to the size of the pellets, but I've had the barrel off this rifle more than another I own due to it double feeding pellets!If you see my last video, you will see that in 80 shots I got 2 double feeding. I don’t know if it was me or something weird in the magazines but it happened twice.
It happened to me twice but never again. You have to be very methodical when you cycle the side lever. All the way back and comment to cocking forward. I have shot hundreds of rounds using the magazine with no more double feeds.Anyone else having issues with double feeding os pellets in these? Maybe it's the .177 more than the .22 due to the size of the pellets, but I've had the barrel off this rifle more than another I own due to it double feeding pellets!If you see my last video, you will see that in 80 shots I got 2 double feeding. I don’t know if it was me or something weird in the magazines but it happened twice.
Do you guys have the .22 or .177? I'm wondering if it worse with the .177 due to the smaller pellets? I try to be very precise and methodical when cycling the rounds because it happens so frequently with my rifle, but it still happens. I have even had instances where a pellet will jump from the magazine and end up jammed sideways in the breech side by the probe. You wouldn't think there would be enough clearance for this to happen, but it has more frequently than you'd think!
I have not tried a Marauder Magazine. I did purchase a couple Gauntlet mags as spares because those seemed to fit the breech opening better, they are just a tad thicker. But, I have the same issues with those. It does seem the opening in the clear cover is larger than it should be. I measured the opening on the .177 (4.5mm), the .22 (5.5mm) and the .25 (6.5mm), the opening for the .177 mag is 1.2mm larger than the pellet size (5.7mm). When I measured the .22 and .25 the opening is less than .5mm larger than the pellet size (5.9mm and 6.9mm). So, that may be why the .177 pellets are popping out so easily.
I have not tried a Marauder Magazine. I did purchase a couple Gauntlet mags as spares because those seemed to fit the breech opening better, they are just a tad thicker. But, I have the same issues with those. It does seem the opening in the clear cover is larger than it should be. I measured the opening on the .177 (4.5mm), the .22 (5.5mm) and the .25 (6.5mm), the opening for the .177 mag is 1.2mm larger than the pellet size (5.7mm). When I measured the .22 and .25 the opening is less than .5mm larger than the pellet size (5.9mm and 6.9mm). So, that may be why the .177 pellets are popping out so easily.
Paul, I have the .22
I tried using the Crosman Trail sound suppressor baffle in my Liberty.Noted thanks for the heads up👍🏾😎
Instead of drilling both of the first barriers so the entire baffle slid into shroud I just drilled the threaded end barrier and then cut enough off the other end so I could put the cap on the shroud. (Hope that made sense).
What I found was with the baffle inserted the sound level was noticabley reduced and on lower power the accuracy was not affected.
With the power set on high the accuracy was negatively affected, at least with CPHP pellets, the pellets were tumbling when they impacted the target.
When I removed the baffle the accuracy was the same at both power levels.
My conclusion is that the baffle causes issues for pellets traveling at the speeds produced on the high power setting.
The reduction in sound isn't enough to make it worth keeping the baffle installed and using only the low power setting.
Wheelman
Crosman Trail sound suppressor baffle in my Liberty: I removed mine and went with an Moderator.
It did reduce the db but the most notable change is it eliminated the "high pitch crack noise" that it had.
Much quieter than the Marauder. Forgot the db difference but very noticeable in basement and outside.
Hey Matt, did you modify your inflation fitting somehow? If so, can you share any details?
Looks like he left the probe in and put a protective cap on it.
QuoteHey Matt, did you modify your inflation fitting somehow? If so, can you share any details?
I left the probe in and put rubber cap/plug on it to for CYA.
Got tired of replacing orings. That was my main motivation.
I'm want to find something that I can slip over the barrel to hold the fill probe in place so I don't lose it.QuoteLooks like he left the probe in and put a protective cap on it.
Yep that's exactly what I did.
Ok, here's the latest... I removed the barrel again and crowned it using a dremel, round ball bit and then the brass screw with valve grinding compound. Then I re-dressed the TP hole in the barrel that I previously drilled out to 3/16". I may have had a burr in there. First off, this rifle absolutely HATES JSB heavies 18gr. They are still shooting 8 to 10 inch patterns. I also tried some CPHP and they are hitting the target completely sideways, and all over the place. I've adjusted the reg 1/2 turn ccw and shimmed the hammer +.1 inch.
HOWEVER, I next tried the H&N Barracuda Match 21 grain and they shot pretty decent. the attached pic shows a 6 shot group at 52 yards.. along with my thumb. I now need to chrony it and see where the power is. I also noticed that if I DO or DONT let the reg "settle" by waiting a while between shots, the POI changes..vertically about 1 to 2 inches. The rifle is also somewhat hold sensitive. I think that I'm gonna take the barrel off one more time and push some pellets through it to see what I get. Then maybe I will use some valve grinding compound and shave down the 'step' in the barrel at the breech, and then maybe "LAP" the barrel.... although I've never done that... so I'll have to do some more homework on exactly how that is done. But, for now, it's better than it was, but still no where near the accuracy of the Gauntlet. Cheers
I'm not a fan of those probes either. I wonder if you could use a slightly thicker, firmer o-ring so the probe is less likely to come out?
I believe many of us were leaving that screw out and obviously it does not affect every gun the same but if anyone is having accuracy issues try putting the screw back in, if it is out or some of the suggestions in the above thread.
I may have to go back to using stiff weed wacker line as a pull through again. Any suggestions or opinions?
Good morning all.
Some assistance needed please.
I drilled my barrel's transfer port (I think that's what it's called) to 4.8mm (closest drill bit I could find in SA to 3/16). It actually seems as if my rifle's power dropped a bit. Any idea of what I could have done wrong?
Good morning all.
Some assistance needed please.
I drilled my barrel's transfer port (I think that's what it's called) to 4.8mm (closest drill bit I could find in SA to 3/16). It actually seems as if my rifle's power dropped a bit. Any idea of what I could have done wrong?
what was your before speed and the now speed in fps?
Only thing I could complain about at the moment, would be how far you have to reef the cocking lever back before it catches the hammer.
It looks like I am going to enlarge the transfer port to 6mm and that means my current .217 power wheel will not be used. It is made from o1 hardened. If anyone wants a spare power wheel pm me.
Which means after this I am finally going to make a plenum large enough to support .25 caliber...hopefully going to get 60fpe. I finally have a 1-1/2 round bar in 7075 t6 and also 1144 bar. Just needs turning to size. I am back at the Liberty project ;D
You don't need to touch the Philip screw. Once you have the hammer spring block out. There is a screw that holds the lever arm to the top. Undo that one through the stock screw hole from underneath, then pull the screw down...there is another screw that holds the lever block on the side. Undo that one and the hammer should fall free.
Yes it is a very light hammer, you can add a short rod in there and at the same time increase hammer tension that way. It is almost In a free flight mode if you can anchor the spring to the spring block. I think that's one way to do it
I just bought a wood stock Liberty from AT, it's a .22 that was sent back for a warranty return. $107.50 . . . . this should be a journey in it'self because I've been reading through all the threads (not seriously yet) since the guns have come out and there's definitely gobs of info already in this forum about these guns. I just watched Bankers video shooting at a hundred yards with the JSB18.3's, I must say that I was impressed. If I remember correctly AT ships stuff pretty prompt from what I remember.
I just bought a wood stock Liberty from AT, it's a .22 that was sent back for a warranty return. $107.50 . . . . this should be a journey in it'self because I've been reading through all the threads (not seriously yet) since the guns have come out and there's definitely gobs of info already in this forum about these guns. I just watched Bankers video shooting at a hundred yards with the JSB18.3's, I must say that I was impressed. If I remember correctly AT ships stuff pretty prompt from what I remember.Wayne You lucked out with the wooden stock and by the time I called in for one they only had a few synthetic ones left which I ended up getting. I hope that we don't end up with ones that have not been mutilated. Did you order a magazine or will they come in with one? I forgot to ask.
Billy, make sure to put me ontop of the list once you get some 7075-t6 round stocks in.
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Got a piece in a couple days ago, trying to find time to get to it, "dang" making a living getting in the way.
Ken I wasn't aware that you bought the Victory. From what I've been reading these guns are a really decent fit and finish also. I'm pretty spoiled with my tried and true Airmax Dominator, it's my go to hunting rifle and has been for quite some time now. I'm curious as to what the twist rate is on the .22's and if they're a choked barrel or not. I'm thinking that the pellets that I've been casting will probably work great in these guns.Yes but in 177 synthetic I’m overseas and will be home April 8 so I haven’t even held the gun yet😎
Have a safe trip back and enjoy your new toy.Ken I wasn't aware that you bought the Victory. From what I've been reading these guns are a really decent fit and finish also. I'm pretty spoiled with my tried and true Airmax Dominator, it's my go to hunting rifle and has been for quite some time now. I'm curious as to what the twist rate is on the .22's and if they're a choked barrel or not. I'm thinking that the pellets that I've been casting will probably work great in these guns.Yes but in 177 synthetic I’m overseas and will be home April 8 so I haven’t even held the gun yet😎
I'm curious as to what the twist rate is on the .22's and if they're a choked barrel or not.
I picked up another plastic and a wood one for r&d as I've been using my shooter to develop parts. Pictured is a prototype plenum we cnc'ed up, 7068 aluminum, (not 7075). If the results are as I anticipate, l likely be offering them (among other parts) in a within stock configuration for those interested in extended shot counts and or increased power over the dismally small factory part. For my personal one I was going for the largest reasonable one as I don't mind stock butchering. When done testing, I'll remove the guage. I also made a press fit/epoxied titanium replacement for the power adjuster, NO issues with the factory one coming apart.
l likely be offering them (among other parts) in a within stock configuration for those interested in extended shot counts and or increased power over the dismally small factory part.
Duy
Good tip on the screw, going to address that today. Finally getting a decent day here in Missouri and the pellets will fly! How much of a difference did your valve work make? Can the stock valve be improved by cleaning up the ports and angling them a littlle? Dremel type stuff, or not worth the effort?
do not over tighten the stock screw infront of the handgard. doing so can bulge-in the receiver where the valve sits, will damage rear valve oring and leak during shot cycle.Does this apply to wood and synthetic stocks?
the solution is to shorten the screw.
since this is a safety concern i thought the infor needs to be shared out here so people will know.
Another Custom stock for the ATI Nova Liberty.😳😳😳wow!
Hey Ray glad to see that result here. i was going to open your receiver ports to .217 to match that exhast port but misplaced the reamer, saw the power gain and stopped there. my offer to open it up is still good as long as you still have that liberty. will send that power wheel Monday for sure.Duy
i reversed everything back to oem except for hammer shims. i tested 14.3 grains at 1109fps with wheel and barrel port at .217 but receiver port at 3/16. i estimated the power loss due to .177 port for nsa 15.5g to be at around 950fps. ts not that hard to get closer to that Ray.
Duy
I too have a 177 would like to shoot the nsa 15.5g slugs I’m currently overseas will be home April 8 bought the Liberty back in December and haven’t shot it yet. Want to shoot slugs as I already have ordered the slugs. What do I need to do to get to shoot 950? Thanks
Billy’s list? What drill size?Duy
I too have a 177 would like to shoot the nsa 15.5g slugs I’m currently overseas will be home April 8 bought the Liberty back in December and haven’t shot it yet. Want to shoot slugs as I already have ordered the slugs. What do I need to do to get to shoot 950? Thanks
barrel port .150x.188. power wheel port .188. exhaust port enlarged. look at oem valve...ignore the cross trench, the exhaust channel is occuppied most by the valve pin. needs work. angle it and everything.
oem valve will not give much duration compared to the one i made. so you need to up the pressure of the reg and shim the hammer spring. or make a heavy hammer.
get on Billys list. that will be one of must items for power
I’m down for one😎
I’m down for one😎
i think you would be second on Billy Rohm's list for plenum if hes keeping one. its 3/16
Billy my friend dont let me beat you to it brother lol. i have a piece of 1144 already profiled. just needs to decide oem metric or 1/2-20
Lol, go for it. It's not a profit center for me and more than one tester will give us more data. On the prototype pictured, I tapped the top of the plenum 10x1.25 mm. I machined most of the head off of a grade 12.9 10x1.25 bolt, drilled it .205 radiused both ends and screwed it through the plenum from the inside to attach the plenum to the gun. The loss of volume is negigible. When I'm done evaluating the 10mm thread, It will be easy to retrofit it to 1/2-20 without having to remake it, only having to mod the reciever. I have, in fact, considered making them all 1/2-20 and providing a 1/2-20 or a 1/2-20 necked to 10x1.25 adapter for economy of parts. Some may choose to go to 1/2-20 after initially going 10mm for the larger transfer/greater tuning ability it might offer. You should do the same and we can compare notes. If not, I'll let you know as soon as It's ready!
Sounds good to me👍🏾😎 let me know how much and can pp you👌🏾I’m down for one😎
i think you would be second on Billy Rohm's list for plenum if hes keeping one. its 3/16
Billy my friend dont let me beat you to it brother lol. i have a piece of 1144 already profiled. just needs to decide oem metric or 1/2-20
Lol, go for it. It's not a profit center for me and more than one tester will give us more data. On the prototype pictured, I tapped the top of the plenum 10x1.25 mm. I machined most of the head off of a grade 12.9 10x1.25 bolt, drilled it .205 radiused both ends and screwed it through the plenum from the inside to attach the plenum to the gun. The loss of volume is negigible. When I'm done evaluating the 10mm thread, It will be easy to retrofit it to 1/2-20 without having to remake it, only having to mod the reciever. I have, in fact, considered making them all 1/2-20 and providing a 1/2-20 or a 1/2-20 necked to 10x1.25 adapter for economy of parts. Some may choose to go to 1/2-20 after initially going 10mm for the larger transfer/greater tuning ability it might offer. You should do the same and we can compare notes. If not, I'll let you know as soon as It's ready!
Stephen
THAT'S AWESOME DUDE!!! Holy Cow, have you been reading my mail? That's perfect! I love it !!!
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I'm one of Billy's test-mules. I've got three chrony's, 1500+ acres of land, plenty of time (assuming weather cooperates here in southern Wisconsin)and a $150.00 worth of every weight and brand of pellet I could think of headed my way from PA.
Just waiting for the plenum. Billy's in the motorcycle biz, (like myself, but I'm semi-retired at this point) and this time of year is busy. When he's not actually paying bills and has time to ship me a plenum, I'll start shooting, charting and reporting back.
I'm one of Billy's test-mules. I've got three chrony's, 1500+ acres of land, plenty of time (assuming weather cooperates here in southern Wisconsin)and a $150.00 worth of every weight and brand of pellet I could think of headed my way from PA.
Just waiting for the plenum. Billy's in the motorcycle biz, (like myself, but I'm semi-retired at this point) and this time of year is busy. When he's not actually paying bills and has time to ship me a plenum, I'll start shooting, charting and reporting back.
most excellent! cant wait to hear the results. i am very interested in what the plenum will do to the 34 grains. if you dont mind i can send ya my valve so you can compare both factory and custom speeds.
If I drill out only the barrel port will velocity increase or decrease. What is the stock barrel port size and what is the safest size to drill to. I have .22 cal
If I drill out only the barrel port will velocity increase or decrease. What is the stock barrel port size and what is the safest size to drill to. I have .22 cal
So my cousin's two week old Liberty has already developed a slow leak. It seems to leak approximately 100 psi every 12-15 hours. Last night, I tightened the bleed screw while the manometer was sitting around 3000 psi. This morning it was down to 2900 psi.
What should be my next course of action? Send it back? Lol...we've been enjoying the *(&^ out of this gun.
So my cousin's two week old Liberty has already developed a slow leak. It seems to leak approximately 100 psi every 12-15 hours. Last night, I tightened the bleed screw while the manometer was sitting around 3000 psi. This morning it was down to 2900 psi.
What should be my next course of action? Send it back? Lol...we've been enjoying the *(&^ out of this gun.
So my cousin's two week old Liberty has already developed a slow leak. It seems to leak approximately 100 psi every 12-15 hours. Last night, I tightened the bleed screw while the manometer was sitting around 3000 psi. This morning it was down to 2900 psi.
What should be my next course of action? Send it back? Lol...we've been enjoying the *(&^ out of this gun.
Why dont you buy your own Liberty and fix your cousins leak with the leak detector as in the previous post?
My liberty came this morning but I only got just the rifle with that $107.50 deal they had, whats a good source for a probe for these guns.
Better yet send it back so I can buy it and fix the leak😎🤓So my cousin's two week old Liberty has already developed a slow leak. It seems to leak approximately 100 psi every 12-15 hours. Last night, I tightened the bleed screw while the manometer was sitting around 3000 psi. This morning it was down to 2900 psi.
What should be my next course of action? Send it back? Lol...we've been enjoying the *(&^ out of this gun.
Why dont you buy your own Liberty and fix your cousins leak with the leak detector as in the previous post?
My liberty came this morning but I only got just the rifle with that $107.50 deal they had, whats a good source for a probe for these guns.
My liberty came this morning but I only got just the rifle with that $107.50 deal they had, whats a good source for a probe for these guns.
My liberty came this morning but I only got just the rifle with that $107.50 deal they had, whats a good source for a probe for these guns.
Gamo Urban Probe works great!
I swore i read somewhere in this thread the Urban fill probe works on the liberty.
Matt when I get the probe I'll measure the depth of the orifice of the hole in the hole in the gun and go from there. My brother did the same thing with a Varmint using a long probe, just added a sleeve to restrict the depth of the probe after it was inserted.
Hi guys, after about a week of testing with various pellets I can say with confidence that the Liberty likes lubed pellets. Although the Liberty wasn't pellet picky out of the box it did prefer certain pellets over others for max accuracy. Although my Liberty at this time is giving me the best groups with JSB 15.89's, even the cheap CPD's are grouping better than they ever did pre-lube. I can't say yet at this time if it will prolong the time between needed cleanings, but it has made a definate improvement in group sizes of pellets that didn't make the initial cut. I was getting great enjoyment dancing a small poly pill bottle around at 55 yards using the cheap $8.00 per tin Crosman premier dome untra magnums I'd picked up at Tractor Supply. ;DWhat lube did you use and how did you apply it?
I used an empty pellet tin with foam in the bottom filled with aprox 100 pellets and spayed them with Blaster silicone spray from Home Depot, added the lid and rolled and flipped the can for a few minutes to spread the lube and let foam pull off any excess. Magazines were loaded with the tumbled pellets that now had a nice film on them and shot normally. I have a spray bottle of Napiers coming from Amazon but it hasn't shown up yet. I may not have ordered it if I'd tried the Blaster first.Hi guys, after about a week of testing with various pellets I can say with confidence that the Liberty likes lubed pellets. Although the Liberty wasn't pellet picky out of the box it did prefer certain pellets over others for max accuracy. Although my Liberty at this time is giving me the best groups with JSB 15.89's, even the cheap CPD's are grouping better than they ever did pre-lube. I can't say yet at this time if it will prolong the time between needed cleanings, but it has made a definate improvement in group sizes of pellets that didn't make the initial cut. I was getting great enjoyment dancing a small poly pill bottle around at 55 yards using the cheap $8.00 per tin Crosman premier dome untra magnums I'd picked up at Tractor Supply. ;DWhat lube did you use and how did you apply it?
How are your regs working out? I wasn't overly impressed the way mine was performing. Eve adjusted to the knee it seemed to wander quite a bit.Thanks for the heads up👍🏾 Don’t like wandering regulator pressures either😎 use their bellville washers in my Frankenstein 2240 gun and works great
Ordered some Bellevilles from McMaster Carr and from the 30 or so pellets I shot adjusting it back to the knee. It's working much better. Let it set for 3 hours and its still right on the money. Hate having to wast a shot to even everything up. Not good for hunting situations. I did polish the brass piston rod and sand the seat on a flat surface before hand. But the washers have seemed to do the trick. They are a bit taller than the stock ones, so they do have more range of motion. Backed the reg off 3 dots to get where i previously was.
Part #96445k215 if anyone want to give them a shot
Pic of the blaster canI used an empty pellet tin with foam in the bottom filled with aprox 100 pellets and spayed them with Blaster silicone spray from Home Depot, added the lid and rolled and flipped the can for a few minutes to spread the lube and let foam pull off any excess. Magazines were loaded with the tumbled pellets that now had a nice film on them and shot normally. I have a spray bottle of Napiers coming from Amazon but it hasn't shown up yet. I may not have ordered it if I'd tried the Blaster first.Hi guys, after about a week of testing with various pellets I can say with confidence that the Liberty likes lubed pellets. Although the Liberty wasn't pellet picky out of the box it did prefer certain pellets over others for max accuracy. Although my Liberty at this time is giving me the best groups with JSB 15.89's, even the cheap CPD's are grouping better than they ever did pre-lube. I can't say yet at this time if it will prolong the time between needed cleanings, but it has made a definate improvement in group sizes of pellets that didn't make the initial cut. I was getting great enjoyment dancing a small poly pill bottle around at 55 yards using the cheap $8.00 per tin Crosman premier dome untra magnums I'd picked up at Tractor Supply. ;DWhat lube did you use and how did you apply it?
This one?Well I have supertech silicone spray from Wally World 😎
How are your regs working out? I wasn't overly impressed the way mine was performing. Eve adjusted to the knee it seemed to wander quite a bit.
Ordered some Bellevilles from McMaster Carr and from the 30 or so pellets I shot adjusting it back to the knee. It's working much better. Let it set for 3 hours and its still right on the money. Hate having to wast a shot to even everything up. Not good for hunting situations. I did polish the brass piston rod and sand the seat on a flat surface before hand. But the washers have seemed to do the trick. They are a bit taller than the stock ones, so they do have more range of motion. Backed the reg off 3 dots to get where i previously was.
Part #96445k215 if anyone want to give them a shot
How are your regs working out? I wasn't overly impressed the way mine was performing. Eve adjusted to the knee it seemed to wander quite a bit.How many of the bellville washers are in the regulator?
Ordered some Bellevilles from McMaster Carr and from the 30 or so pellets I shot adjusting it back to the knee. It's working much better. Let it set for 3 hours and its still right on the money. Hate having to wast a shot to even everything up. Not good for hunting situations. I did polish the brass piston rod and sand the seat on a flat surface before hand. But the washers have seemed to do the trick. They are a bit taller than the stock ones, so they do have more range of motion. Backed the reg off 3 dots to get where i previously was.
Part #96445k215 if anyone want to give them a shot
How many of the bellville washers are in the regulator?
How many of the bellville washers are in the regulator?
Schematics say 24.
How many of the bellville washers are in the regulator?
Schematics say 24.
Correct. 8 nested stacks of 3.
Fuzzy, where could I find a copy of the schematics?
Fuzzy, where could I find a copy of the schematics?
Ray check your pm thanksHow many of the bellville washers are in the regulator?
Schematics say 24.
Correct. 8 nested stacks of 3.
Fuzzy, where could I find a copy of the schematics?
Here you go- https://www.dropbox.com/s/wb1ef7kpzs2pc9h/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/wb1ef7kpzs2pc9h/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.pdf?dl=0)
So did I read it right that rohmpm will be offering a plenum for these. That would be awesome as the stock plenum is pretty sorry I think. So anyone have a guess to the power and shot count with his plenum and a drilled barrel port.
Stretch, suspect it's the same but label is a different color. This is mine, the picture finally came through to gmail.
I think mine is at:
14.3 - 920
18.1 - 840
21.1 - 760
Would like to get the 21.1 h&n over 800.
I don't care it sticks out the stock (longer)..
so I shot a few across the chrono to see some effect of the plenum at about 25cc.
3500 psi fill
regulator at 1600(110 bar)
ports drilled .187 no other power mods.
No hammerspring washers, actually faced off .006 less than original
Barracuda match 21.14
First shot reg crept to 1800
877
Next 20 at 834 +-5
for 32.6 ft lbs.
Looks like the plenum will provide positive, results.
plenum guage.Billy
Plenums will be available soon. I do thing right, no necessarily fast. There is a lot to consider, I do not want to overlook anything.Ready to buy one Billy😎👍🏾
As far as powering it up and seeing what she'll do. Tuesday....I'll see what it does with the 10mm thread, .205 port. I'll go to 1/2x20 with a .3 port if it is inadequate for the insane!!
Mine appears to have a leak. 1000 psi over 2 days. Not sure what to do. Wait for larger plenum tear down and reseal. Don't really wang to mess around with sending back.
I just saw PA has the Aspen listed in .25 with 800 FPS claim :-\
Probe and barrel swap. fpe should be the same if not more due to the bigger bore.
Probe and barrel swap. fpe should be the same if not more due to the bigger bore.
It will be more than what you can get with a 22 barrel.
PS: You would be able to make mags from Mrod ones, like I did for the 25 cal fortitude.
Probe and barrel swap. fpe should be the same if not more due to the bigger bore.
It will be more than what you can get with a 22 barrel.
PS: You would be able to make mags from Mrod ones, like I did for the 25 cal fortitude.
did you mill the fortitude receiver?
I tried downloading one of the manuals that someone posted in this thread but it didn't work
I just saw PA has the Aspen listed in .25 with 800 FPS claim :-\
I tried downloading one of the manuals that someone posted in this thread but it didn't workWayne,
That worked great Ray, that's a really good manual too !!!I wish that all AG manuals and parts lists where as concise and detailed
Hello everybody,
I have a quick question for you all. After adding the scope to the rifle I notice that the stock looks like designed around the open sights, with the scope in, when I aim, I'm using the cheek piece more like a chin piece, because I have to raise the head a lot. I notice this while mounting the scope yesterday, with the open sight I don't recall this awkward feeling. Do you have the same experience? Have you done anything about it?
Thanks!
I put one of the beartooth comb raisers on mine. Works well but is not pretty. Looked into some kydex risers but required drilling .250 holes in stock. Not ready to do that yet.
Wow, that group is exceptional.
Got a Freedom $100 special coming this week. I hope it functions. Dave
Orion, after seeing the finish on your gun you may not want to cover that up with somethijnb ugly.
Mine has been doing the same thing, takes about 1.5 weeks to leak down from 3k psi to 2k psi.Mine appears to have a leak. 1000 psi over 2 days. Not sure what to do. Wait for larger plenum tear down and reseal. Don't really wang to mess around with sending back.
Hey Dpittman, 2 of my 3 guns have a slow leak. I have torn down one of the guns to change all the orings as I can detect where the leak is coming from. So, looking at the list of orings needed for this gun I noticed that the manual uses the cross section by the outter diameter in MM. Every oring manufacturer uses the CS x inner Diameter. So, I'm measuring every oring so far the manual has the air tube oring with outter diameters. Be careful if you order orings that you actually measure the o ring.
Also, the pellet probe oring is wrong. The outer diameter is 1.5x4(inner diameter) not 1.5x 7(outer diameter)
The transfer port oring the same thing 7mm outer diameter.
Just weighed stock off of gun (wood) 3 lb 5 oz. Pretty heavy.
Bad news today, Fedex lost my guns. They made it to Tracy, ca and are trying to find them.That's terrible. USPS lost a gun I sold and shipped to the buyer for about 2 weeks. They finally found it and it safely made it to the buyer. I think I was bothered more by it than the buyer.
Nova Liberty .22 (returned) in wood stock. 3/8 turn on regulator, 2 shims on hammer spring. havent crony'd it yet. This is 15 shots at 52 yards and it was windy...
I just got my BSA probe for mine today, I'll need to put a spacer on it but right now if I just eyeball it I can use it. It goes in too far the way it is but it's a nice stainless probe too, it was on the pricey side ($26 to my door) though. I did put 1K in the gun already but I'll exhaust it before I reassemble the gun.Wayne, it looks good and I think that for the price it is worth it because it is SS and has the DIN fitting machined in. The measurement that I used was that the probes fill hole has to be 5/8" from the bottom of the fill port.
Wayne, I think you'll like the rifle after you shoot it, I just wish it was about a pound and a half lighter like my Marauder is now with the JSAR air tube. Was shooting mine quite a bit this morning and noticed a few things I'll share with everyone, I was shooting JSB 18.13's until my 15.89's get here from PA, was using the single shot tray and shooting at 30 yards, accuracy was very good, had lubed the pellets with the Napiers that finally showed up and was very happy with the groups. When I switched and started using my Marauder mags instead of the ss tray my group moved to the right 1/4 to 3/8". Went back to the ss tray and group was dead on again. Then switched and tried the mag for the Liberty, the group moved 1/8 to 1/4" right again. Went back to the ss tray and group was dead on again. To be clear here, the pellets still grouped well when using the different mags, they just moved to the right for some reason. Gonna shoot some more and see if this continues to hold true, if so I'll have to adjust if I want to keep using the mags. ???Tom, that's interesting and strange. The pellets skirt are probably being distorted, do to a slight side pressure, from the magazine. I will have to check this out by doing the same tests.
It looks great RDB! What did you use on it?
I've posted here about the plenum I have been developing. This post is getting long, I'm starting a new subject specific to the plenum and future Liberty parts.
Does anyone know if the "05-2018" to the right of the "(300 Bar) is the manufacturing date ???
I'm glad someone got a similar result to mine, also glad to hear that the gauntlet mags caused no shift. If the Liberty mags cause a 1/4" shift at 30 yards imagine how much more pronounced it would be further away at 50 60 or 70 yards. That and the Marauder mags I was using was even worse.
Does anyone know if the "05-2018" to the right of the "(300 Bar) is the manufacturing date ???My first one is dated 12- 2017 ???
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If I had to guess I’d say you are rightDoes anyone know if the "05-2018" to the right of the "(300 Bar) is the manufacturing date ???My first one is dated 12- 2017 ???
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Rod
I really like your stock, how did you strip it down. Did you sand through the finish, or use a chemical stripper? Was the Poly straight, or a blend of alcohol & olive oil mix?
Thanks
Well I finally got a Full blown chronograph, it is a Caldwell. The little $28 Chinese one is great for real time measurements but is no substitute for a full featured unit.
My first attempt at a shot string Friday night was 60 shots and I never pressed start on the app.
This is my next one. It is my 22 Liberty with JSB 18.13s. I am trying to tune for Baracudas but I had many more JSBs on hand so that is what I shot for this string. Ports are opened to almost .180, reg wheel is about 1/2 turn CCW and I have adjustable HST ala Stephen The Banker design, tuned to maybe just below the knee.
The pressure drops about 350 psi for every 10 shots. Started about 4200 psi, 3,800 - 2,700 seems to bee the sweet spot. There were 3-4 error shots which I removed so the shot count versus pressure level is not accurate.
BTW put a half dozen 'Cudas over it yesterday below 3,800 psi and they were right around 890 fps.
As this is my first PCP and my first real shot string, I would welcome anyones comments.
Thanks
Set: 1
Created: 03/30/19 12:30 PM
Description: Liberty JSB 18.13
Notes 1:
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 3.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 18.13
Temp: 0 °F
BP: 0.00 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
52 894 32.18 16.21
51 900 32.61 16.32
50 907 33.12 16.44
49 915 33.71 16.59
48 914 33.64 16.57
47 915 33.71 16.59
46 924 34.38 16.75
45 929 34.75 16.84
44 933 35.05 16.92
43 939 35.50 17.02
42 932 34.97 16.90
41 934 35.12 16.93
40 936 35.27 16.97
39 946 36.03 17.15
38 945 35.96 17.13
37 957 36.88 17.35
36 954 36.64 17.30
35 952 36.49 17.26
34 965 37.49 17.50
33 965 37.49 17.50
32 960 37.11 17.40
31 958 36.95 17.37
30 964 37.42 17.48
29 957 36.88 17.35
28 971 37.96 17.60
27 961 37.18 17.42
26 969 37.81 17.57
25 969 37.81 17.57
24 962 37.26 17.44
23 977 38.43 17.71
22 968 37.73 17.55
21 977 38.43 17.71
20 967 37.65 17.53
19 963 37.34 17.46
18 967 37.65 17.53
17 963 37.34 17.46
16 964 37.42 17.48
15 960 37.11 17.40
14 970 37.88 17.59
13 962 37.26 17.44
12 963 37.34 17.46
11 965 37.49 17.50
10 947 36.11 17.17
9 947 36.11 17.17
8 950 36.34 17.22
7 941 35.65 17.06
6 939 35.50 17.02
5 938 35.43 17.01
4 933 35.05 16.92
3 941 35.65 17.06
2 924 34.38 16.75
1 914 33.64 16.57 (https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif)
Average: 947.4 FPS
SD: 20.9 FPS
Min: 894 FPS
Max: 977 FPS
Spread: 83 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.1
True MV: 948 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
We need to determine if its the reg not liking the fill pressure or your tuned too far below the knee. If you could run a string from 3500 after letting the gun sit for a while it would help.
on my liberty it didnt let 3500psi. at 3500psi i had to dump 10 shots before it gets consistant. ymmv
Quoteon my liberty it didnt let 3500psi. at 3500psi i had to dump 10 shots before it gets consistant. ymmv
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Wondering how many others Liberty are doing the same thing but haven't said anything or just thinking that before they cry wolf they'll wait to see if the reg will settle in.
In my video of the shot string I didn't see that. My gun was not modified at all at the time of the recording, I was really impressed with the consistency for 80 shots. In that video I was using CPHP 14gr
I only fill to 250 bar.
I do think they creep some. If mine sits for awhile the first shot will be 940-950 then settle down to around 925. Should be broke in by now I would think.
If you up the reg a 1/16 of a turn or back the hammer off a smidge it will flatten out.
QuoteIf you up the reg a 1/16 of a turn or back the hammer off a smidge it will flatten out.
Does the fill pressure along with the 1/16 turn or back the hammer off effect how much it flattens out ?
Unless I'm mistaken the regulator is sensitive to different fill pressures.
I think with Billys plenum with a gauge on it we will know If they creep.
Ahhhh, no bullpup ;)
HAM Review: https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/american-tactical-nova-liberty-pcp-air-rifle-review-22-caliber/ (https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/american-tactical-nova-liberty-pcp-air-rifle-review-22-caliber/)
I got a red squirrel with mine this morning 8)That's great! Wayne now is the Liberty's balance compared to your Airmax Dominator and was it comfortable to carry when walking in the woods?
HAM Review: https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/american-tactical-nova-liberty-pcp-air-rifle-review-22-caliber/ (https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/american-tactical-nova-liberty-pcp-air-rifle-review-22-caliber/)
The shot string in the article looks terrible. I got better result than that!
HAM Review: https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/american-tactical-nova-liberty-pcp-air-rifle-review-22-caliber/ (https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/american-tactical-nova-liberty-pcp-air-rifle-review-22-caliber/)
The shot string in the article looks terrible. I got better result than that!
While I had a declining string similar to that, not as severe. Their 10 shot analysis was interesting. Essentially, the reg was creeping. Similar to what Billy is reporting with the plenum build: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=156494.40 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=156494.40)
Keep in mind, they just tested straight out of the box. No tuning, no adjustment to trigger, etc.
I still like my Airmax better for carrying, as far as accuracy they're both probably neck and neck. The Liberty needs a longer gun case because it's considerably longer and probably (just guessing) 1/2lb heavier all dressed with scopes. The scope that I have on the Liberty is the UTG Swat which is a super nice scope and clear but the BSA on my Airmax Dominator is very nice too but if I was going to choose another scope it would be the UTG, especially at the price that I got it.I got a red squirrel with mine this morning 8)That's great! Wayne now is the Liberty's balance compared to your Airmax Dominator and was it comfortable to carry when walking in the woods?
Bob she's a little on the loud side but not super loud like my Disco, a fellow GTA member offered me a spare set of baffles and an air stripper and I said heck ya, I got a message from him yesterday and they're in the mail right now. My Airmax Dominator is quieter but I am doing 38fpe with that gun and it has a good working LDC on it as well so hopefully when I put the stripper and baffles(3d printed) it'll quiet it down some.Wayne it would be great if you could take a photo of the stripper & baffles before you install them and let us know how it works out.
Bob she's a little on the loud side but not super loud like my Disco, a fellow GTA member offered me a spare set of baffles and an air stripper and I said heck ya, I got a message from him yesterday and they're in the mail right now. My Airmax Dominator is quieter but I am doing 38fpe with that gun and it has a good working LDC on it as well so hopefully when I put the stripper and baffles(3d printed) it'll quiet it down some.Wayne it would be great if you could take a photo of the stripper & baffles before you install them and let us know how it works out.
Good morning all
I have a bit of an odd scenario.
My nova shoots insanely accurate, I sight it perfectly, bring the gun back into the house, the next morning it's out left/right by an inch. No clue as to why.
Could this be due to the barrel being dirty?
PS. Have not cleaned it at all.
On the cleaning: I was thinking barrel rod and nitro solvent, is this fine?
I am sorry I do not have an answer to your question, but I am not satisfied with the accuracy of mine and maybe I am expecting too much but what do you call insanely accurate?
Thanks
Orion thanks for sharing your insights. That does work I have done similar things on other rifles.Hi Frankie!
You're welcome!
Impressive! Many thanks for sharing.
You're welcome!
Impressive! Many thanks for sharing.
If someone tries this, please share your thoughts! Stephen, you should give this a try... It will add lenght to the gun as you mentioned in your video, but the beauty of this is that you can control easily the size.
You're welcome!
Impressive! Many thanks for sharing.
If someone tries this, please share your thoughts! Stephen, you should give this a try... It will add lenght to the gun as you mentioned in your video, but the beauty of this is that you can control easily the size.
Hey Orion, the small one you see me holding in the Hajimoto video the is 7" I made a few months ago. It uses felt with hair curlers and plastic washers. If you look back on my video from last year and 2 years ago, Hatsan QE shroud extension and how to make a shroud videos, I have been making these for my guns for years. I found that using thin gauge alunminum with plastic washers and hair curlers with felt is the most quiet. The PVC just adds too much diameter on the outside and very little in the inside due to it's thickness. I've made 5, 6 and 7 inch airgun moderators and found 7 inches to work best with the Nova liberty.
You can find the plastic 1" diameter washers on Amazon but they are not cheap. You can use metal washers but they clang against the aluminum.
Wayne - do you think the accuracy lots to do with the weight of the slugs?They're not slugs they're pellets Matt !!!
Have you also found that filling it to a certain PSI helps?
Wayne - do you think the accuracy lots to do with the weight of the slugs?They're not slugs they're pellets Matt !!!
Have you also found that filling it to a certain PSI helps?
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If the barrels will swap I'm probably going to do that. I have another Freedom parts gun on the way.
What size head on the Barracudas? I have 5.53 head size and they group well from my Liberty, just have a lot more drop than the JSB 15.89' or 18.13's.I have run at least a tin each of all three sizes through it. It won't shoot them.
If somebody has a schematic on the Freedom, I could sure use a copy, pretty please. I have four of them. Regards, TomHere you go!
let me ask again in case anyone that has done it is reading...I used fine sand paper on a wood dowel. At the same time i also took the edge off of the leade.
Have you drilled your barrel to 3/16? If so can you explain how you deburred? Specially the inside, I'm not sure I have a nice flat surface on the inside, really hard to reach.
Thanks!
let me ask again in case anyone that has done it is reading...I used fine sand paper on a wood dowel. At the same time i also took the edge off of the leade.
Have you drilled your barrel to 3/16? If so can you explain how you deburred? Specially the inside, I'm not sure I have a nice flat surface on the inside, really hard to reach.
Thanks!
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130555.msg1288471#msg1288471 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130555.msg1288471#msg1288471)
Those ball burrs work fantastic for a barrel port, I used one on a Crosman barrel (it was brand new straight from Crosman too) and it worked fantastic. I usually get that stuff on Ebay cheaper than Amazon for the exact same product.Agreed. I did not have one that would work at the time. I have two different assortments now.
can you share a link to a rod you guys use to push a pellet through the barrel? I need to buy one...to push a pellet through I use a 1/8" wood dowel.
Ray - Have you tried the JSB Hades? I'm using them and so far my Liberty is loving 'em.No I have not ordered those yet. I do not think my issue is with pellet preference. It is the barrel or the gun. I will know for sure when I swap barrels.
Any rod will do for that purpose...a $10-15 kit from a local store is fine. If you plan to get a rod for deburring/polishing the bore, that’s when a ball-bearing type is needed to ensure it turns effortlessly to follow the rifling. I use a Dewey rod for anything .22 cal and larger. https://www.brownells.com/gun-cleaning-chemicals/cleaning-rods-amp-accessories/cleaning-rods/stainless-steel-rods-prod5635.aspx (https://www.brownells.com/gun-cleaning-chemicals/cleaning-rods-amp-accessories/cleaning-rods/stainless-steel-rods-prod5635.aspx) I had difficulty finding a good one for .177 so I bought a couple of ball bearings on eBay (4mm ID to match the rod) and used threadlocker to affix them, and fitted a piece of dowel over them as a handle.
can you share a link to a rod you guys use to push a pellet through the barrel? I need to buy one...to push a pellet through I use a 1/8" wood dowel.
For polishing the bore I bought this.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000G774SS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000G774SS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
If somebody has a schematic on the Freedom, I could sure use a copy, pretty please. I have four of them. Regards, TomHere you go!Thanks a million for the schematics, I have four .22's to fix leaks and sticking pistons on. Regards, TomIf somebody has a schematic on the Freedom, I could sure use a copy, pretty please. I have four of them. Regards, TomHere you go!
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/172nj6vvgevk969/AACc5jztUKdwDDQXwMCDce-pa?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/172nj6vvgevk969/AACc5jztUKdwDDQXwMCDce-pa?dl=0)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/172nj6vvgevk969/AACc5jztUKdwDDQXwMCDce-pa?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/172nj6vvgevk969/AACc5jztUKdwDDQXwMCDce-pa?dl=0)
[/quoteThanks a million for the manuals
Tom,If somebody has a schematic on the Freedom, I could sure use a copy, pretty please. I have four of them. Regards, TomHere you go!Thanks a million for the schematics, I have four .22's to fix leaks and sticking pistons on. Regards, TomIf somebody has a schematic on the Freedom, I could sure use a copy, pretty please. I have four of them. Regards, TomHere you go!
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/172nj6vvgevk969/AACc5jztUKdwDDQXwMCDce-pa?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/172nj6vvgevk969/AACc5jztUKdwDDQXwMCDce-pa?dl=0)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/172nj6vvgevk969/AACc5jztUKdwDDQXwMCDce-pa?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/172nj6vvgevk969/AACc5jztUKdwDDQXwMCDce-pa?dl=0)
[/quoteThanks a million for the manuals
Yes you can..Thanks for confirming!
I just looked, the barrels are the same part number so I do not see why they would not. Someone had posted that they do not interchange but I will know soon. Unfortunately with my stupid broken left wrist i am moving at about 1/2 speed with some things. >:( >:( >:(
I have a .22 barrel coming on Wednesday for my SSP-250 which is something i have wanted to do for years. That may override the Novas for a few days.
Just tried some more pellets in the Freedom.
First the bad- Benji hollow points only do about 3/4 - 1 inch, which is not all that bad really.
JSB 18s shoot the same tight groups on LO as they do on Hi.
JSB 14.3 - pretty well HI or LO
AA 16 on LO put 6 in a hole that was barely larger that the pellet. That's a rockstar combo there! The 16s are not so great on HI.
Trigger is still in the stock configuration and a bit heavy. i will lighten and smooth it out and that will help too.
In contrast, My Liberty does not shoot ANYTHING well on LO and a complete re zero is required to even use it.
Can all of this be cured with a barrel swap? Jeez I really hope so. I am just blown away by the way the Freedom is shooting compared to my Liberty..
Ray I'll bet they turned that barrel after it was rifled on the Liberty and it choked the barrel there. Probably hogging to much material to fast.Wayne,
I think the out of the box barrel had a burr because I was not getting these groups.
like first was 930, then 960 then 980 then back to 940that's what mine is doing which is stock/unmodified at the moment.
QuoteI think the out of the box barrel had a burr because I was not getting these groups.
Orion - Did you do anything to the "barrel" to get rid of the burr? Or are you referring to burr in the "port" from when you drilled it to 3/16"
I can see how fixing the burr in the "barrel" would effect your improved accuracy.
Like to try this on my Liberty becauseQuotelike first was 930, then 960 then 980 then back to 940that's what mine is doing which is stock/unmodified at the moment.
Thanks!
I just opened a bit more the barrel transfer port (is that the name???) to 3/16, it was a bit smaller than that, but after drilling I created a lot of burr, then I went ahead and deburred with the tools that Jason suggested. I'm heading out to chrony again today after a few shots yesterday.... will record it!
QuoteI just opened a bit more the barrel transfer port (is that the name???) to 3/16, it was a bit smaller than that, but after drilling I created a lot of burr, then I went ahead and deburred with the tools that Jason suggested. I'm heading out to chrony again today after a few shots yesterday.... will record it!
Understand what you meant now. Thanks!
Just wanted to make sure before I attempt to do mine. Goes without saying that drilling the transfer port will be the trickiest part.
I already ordered and have in my possession the tools Jason suggested.
Looking forward to the crony results and which pellet you used.
Many thanks!
QuoteI just opened a bit more the barrel transfer port (is that the name???) to 3/16, it was a bit smaller than that, but after drilling I created a lot of burr, then I went ahead and deburred with the tools that Jason suggested. I'm heading out to chrony again today after a few shots yesterday.... will record it!
Understand what you meant now. Thanks!
Just wanted to make sure before I attempt to do mine. Goes without saying that drilling the transfer port will be the trickiest part.
I already ordered and have in my possession the tools Jason suggested.
Looking forward to the crony results and which pellet you used.
Many thanks!
Here I have my chrony results, I used CPHP, also I've recorded a video that I might put online with a summary of the results all together.
This is 20 shots at high power
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Then I did 10 more shots at low power, the results are great here... I think I'll need to shot a few thousands of pellets with the rifle to later repeat it... it might improve later on, I think the reg still breaking in..
(https://i.imgur.com/DEYcgwa.png)
It seems like the guy that originally designed these rifles was from Canada ??? I can remember back when he was trying to find a manufacturer to produce them.Interesting. Any more info?
However I found the reverse with the 1st shot being about 20 fps faster than the follow ups.
Assuming Kee Keat is from the Chinese source for these guns to ATI. I wonder if we should not mention the "no warranty" deal ATI put out? I can't help but think there is a reason they weren't listed on the website and we only found out about them through word of mouth. I wouldn't want to be the one to mess up a good thing.I just went to the ATI site and couldn't find the poppets they supposedly have, maybe that's something we have to call about if we want one.
Hannes if you don't already use rubber gloves with pcp's they're invaluable for twisting stuff on a pcp's. I don't know which gun you're talking about the Liberty or the Freedom ??? I've got good manuals that I got from drop boxes in this thread and others and if you don't already have those I'd be getting them too. Personally I just recently got all the o rings from the o ring store for my second Freedom and I'll be tackling that puppy soon myself, my first non warranty Freedom is all that I've been using for hunting in my last several hunts. As for using anything in that fill port I'd try matching the fill port size with a rod the same size with a smooth surface so you don't mar the inside of it. Best case scenario would be a perfect fit brass rod but I'd probably use the smooth end of a drill bit myself, that would work.
Ray I'd like to have one of those Discovery scopes, all I hear is good about them. I'll get one some day ???Wayne I have 2 of the VT-T 6-24x50 they are excellent, even without taking the price in consideration. Now, after adding one of those to the Liberty I realize that it make the rifle heavy, good for shooting from the table, not so good for shooting in the woods, as you are. So if I were on the market for a scope this is the one I'll be buying for the Liberty
Some trigger info: https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/ (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/)Real nice find John! Thanks for posting this. I have been using the roller tip screws i found but could not get two stages.
I think the screws have been covered here, but have not seen the removal of the 1st stage spring.
Some trigger info: https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/ (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/)QuoteThis works great! I Have a longer screw in the G position to move the trigger back a bit so I still do not have a safety but that is just a matter of shortening the set screw in the safety lever which I will do now. I rarely use the safety anyway.
https://youtu.be/Vb5quj6ZhJM (https://youtu.be/Vb5quj6ZhJM)
Some trigger info: https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/ (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/)Real nice find John! Thanks for posting this. I have been using the roller tip screws i found but could not get two stages.
I think the screws have been covered here, but have not seen the removal of the 1st stage spring.
This works great! I Have a longer screw in the G position to move the trigger back a bit so I still do not have a safety but that is just a matter of shortening the set screw in the safety lever which I will do now. I rarely use the safety anyway.
Some trigger info: https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/ (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/)Real nice find John! Thanks for posting this. I have been using the roller tip screws i found but could not get two stages.
I think the screws have been covered here, but have not seen the removal of the 1st stage spring.
This works great! I Have a longer screw in the G position to move the trigger back a bit so I still do not have a safety but that is just a matter of shortening the set screw in the safety lever which I will do now. I rarely use the safety anyway.
What size screws are needed? Btw I checked the aoa site and they want $30 for the tigger adjustment kit which is two screws and 3 Allen wrenches. Can’t believe anyone would pay that but who knows they maybe selling a ton of them. https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/parts/nova-freedom-custom-two-stage-trigger-upgrade/ (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/parts/nova-freedom-custom-two-stage-trigger-upgrade/)
Some trigger info: https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/ (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/)Real nice find John! Thanks for posting this. I have been using the roller tip screws i found but could not get two stages.
I think the screws have been covered here, but have not seen the removal of the 1st stage spring.
This works great! I Have a longer screw in the G position to move the trigger back a bit so I still do not have a safety but that is just a matter of shortening the set screw in the safety lever which I will do now. I rarely use the safety anyway.
What size screws are needed? Btw I checked the aoa site and they want $30 for the tigger adjustment kit which is two screws and 3 Allen wrenches. Can’t believe anyone would pay that but who knows they maybe selling a ton of them. https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/parts/nova-freedom-custom-two-stage-trigger-upgrade/ (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/parts/nova-freedom-custom-two-stage-trigger-upgrade/)
Thanks for the link I ordered the screws and some Bellevue washers for the regulator.Where did you order the Bellevue washers from? Can you share link?
Thanks for the link I ordered the screws and some Bellevue washers for the regulator.Where did you order the Bellevue washers from? Can you share link?
Thanks for the link I ordered the screws and some Bellevue washers for the regulator.Where did you order the Bellevue washers from? Can you share link?
These were posted earlier in the thread somewhere. They are from McMasterCarr
https://www.mcmaster.com/96445K215 (https://www.mcmaster.com/96445K215)
Thanks for the link I ordered the screws and some Bellevue washers for the regulator.Where did you order the Bellevue washers from? Can you share link?
These were posted earlier in the thread somewhere. They are from McMasterCarr
https://www.mcmaster.com/96445K215 (https://www.mcmaster.com/96445K215)
The screws and washers came in from McMaster Carr today. Super fast shipping!! Getting rid of the spring and replacing the two screws made a huge difference. I was not able to get a two stage trigger no matter what I did but I now have a very light trigger. Maybe around 1-1.5Lbs and is a huge improvement over what it was.Let me know Zac, I also got my screws on Sunday, (I ordered on Friday) I was super impressed with the shipping, I didn't ordered the washers, but probably do... I'll improve the trigger even more, because that's my only complain so far!
I plan on replacing the Bellevue washers this weekend if I have time. I will chronograph it before and after to see if it helps to maintain a more consistent FPS for me.
I plan on replacing the Bellevue washers this weekend if I have time. I will chronograph it before and after to see if it helps to maintain a more consistent FPS for me.
Hi everybody,
I just uploaded a video on how to improve the magazines. I hope you like it.
https://youtu.be/gx8DUr6_d-A (https://youtu.be/gx8DUr6_d-A)
The Gauntlet mags are working so darned good in my "Freedom & Liberty" there's absolutely NO room for improvement in my opinion.For this reason I ordered 2 Gaunlet mags. The Liberty mags, are not that good.
I haven't had any problems with mine double feeding or any other problemsThe problem I saw was the spring inside, the bend that goes into the hole was too small and it kept getting out while under pressure. That's why on the video I added epoxy so it stays in place and doesn't go out, while doing that I added a bit more pressure. The marauder mags have multiple holes so you can adjust it... not that it was needed, but I think it help.
I haven't had any problems with mine double feeding or any other problems+1, I have two Nova mags and two Gauntlet mags. Zero problems with any of them. The only time I get double feeding is when I cock it but don't quite lock the sear it ends up double feeding. That is purely operator error.
I have been using the gauntlet mags without issues. I wanted to not mix with the Mrod mags I have.Agreed. I don't even like them in my pocket, last week I was out for groundhogs with a mag in my pocket. Can't help but think that will scare the critters away.
As far as mag holders on the gun, I don’t like the rattling noise when loaded. I prefer a muffled rattle in my pockets. ;)
I have been using the gauntlet mags without issues. I wanted to not mix with the Mrod mags I have.Agreed. I don't even like them in my pocket, last week I was out for groundhogs with a mag in my pocket. Can't help but think that will scare the critters away.
As far as mag holders on the gun, I don’t like the rattling noise when loaded. I prefer a muffled rattle in my pockets. ;)
Quick question to the "Liberty Community" Any idea on how to do mags holders for this baby? I'm so used to my mags holders on my Taipan that not having them on my Liberty makes me really sad...I'm storing them on my pockets but sometimes I go prone to take shots and I'm afraid to damage them.
There was an Ebay seller that made a Marauder mag holder, that clamped on to the 11 mm scope rail, it could very well work on the Liberty/ Freedom. I will look after I eat if they are still for sale.
There was an Ebay seller that made a Marauder mag holder, that clamped on to the 11 mm scope rail, it could very well work on the Liberty/ Freedom. I will look after I eat if they are still for sale.
Quick question to the "Liberty Community" Any idea on how to do mags holders for this baby? I'm so used to my mags holders on my Taipan that not having them on my Liberty makes me really sad...I'm storing them on my pockets but sometimes I go prone to take shots and I'm afraid to damage them.
There was an Ebay seller that made a Marauder mag holder, that clamped on to the 11 mm scope rail, it could very well work on the Liberty/ Freedom. I will look after I eat if they are still for sale.
Quick question to the "Liberty Community" Any idea on how to do mags holders for this baby? I'm so used to my mags holders on my Taipan that not having them on my Liberty makes me really sad...I'm storing them on my pockets but sometimes I go prone to take shots and I'm afraid to damage them.
Hi All, I believe I have found a slug that works AMAZING in the the Nova Liberty.
I was going to guess 21 grain - looks like I'm a little light.My Taipan is in .25, for the Liberty I tried the NSA 21 grins, but nahhhh didn't group well
My slugs are 22.2 grain, 23.2, 24.2 and 26 grain slugs. In .22 cal. The 24 grain were excellent even at 885fps but they shoot best at 920fpsand those are the ones you are doing with your new swage? I remember on your video you said that maybe you will capitalize on those, let me know if you have few for sale of your 24gr I want to test them vs big ol reptile
My slugs are 22.2 grain, 23.2, 24.2 and 26 grain slugs. In .22 cal. The 24 grain were excellent even at 885fps but they shoot best at 920fps
My slugs are 22.2 grain, 23.2, 24.2 and 26 grain slugs. In .22 cal. The 24 grain were excellent even at 885fps but they shoot best at 920fpsand those are the ones you are doing with your new swage? I remember on your video you said that maybe you will capitalize on those, let me know if you have few for sale of your 24gr I want to test them vs big ol reptile
My slugs are 22.2 grain, 23.2, 24.2 and 26 grain slugs. In .22 cal. The 24 grain were excellent even at 885fps but they shoot best at 920fpsand those are the ones you are doing with your new swage? I remember on your video you said that maybe you will capitalize on those, let me know if you have few for sale of your 24gr I want to test them vs big ol reptile
Yes, I'm am making making them. Now that I know they work I will be offering them up on eBay or you can contact me directly. They will be available next week. I will price them competitively.
They will be under the name AVS SLUGS
Orion, I'll be in Pensacola next week. Any tip on Shot placement if using the liberty?
I would like to shoot slugs when I am done hot rodding the liberty Stephen
Stephen, I have tried several different slugs through the Liberty without much success so I will be waiting patiently for another one of your outstanding videos to be released about these slugs. Thanks as usual.
Well look on the bright side.... you didn't shoot your chrono.I don't think could survive another hit!! lol
Next time try a sabbot on the .177 pellet ;) LOL It has happened to me on occasion too :-[This is the first time I've had a ,22. I've always had a .177, at least since the early 90's. Well at least I'm not the only one and that makes me feel better. lol
Wow !!! Stephen those are some fantastic groups that you're getting with those slugs, a job well done for sure !!!
After the Checkers were done they made GM parts after that, they finally closed down and a lot of the guys got the shaft on their pension's, some people opted for a different pension several years before that and they made out good. I have one of the old Checker sweatshirts.Wow !!! Stephen those are some fantastic groups that you're getting with those slugs, a job well done for sure !!!
Thanks Wayne! They are on the way.
BTW, I just read that the checker cab company were manufactured for sometime in Kalamazoo. There are two restored cabs in the Gilmore museum. Very cool. Last one was produced in 1982. I used to ride them in NYC.sorry I like useless trivia
Found a similar one but they had the straight back vs cupped. And they were sold out of CA, not NY. Tried multiple different searches, but could not find them.I seen those too John, Stephen tested those flat backed ones in his previous slug video and wasn't getting the accuracy like his cup based ones.
Found a similar one but they had the straight back vs cupped. And they were sold out of CA, not NY. Tried multiple different searches, but could not find them.I seen those too John, Stephen tested those flat backed ones in his previous slug video and wasn't getting the accuracy like his cup based ones.
The CA slugs are probably Varmint knockers and the guys over in AGN love them. He's out of San Diego and does it one at a time like Stephen.
Found a similar one but they had the straight back vs cupped. And they were sold out of CA, not NY. Tried multiple different searches, but could not find them.I seen those too John, Stephen tested those flat backed ones in his previous slug video and wasn't getting the accuracy like his cup based ones.
I'm going to try 22 grain ones in the morning at the state land, I just gotta make sure I bring along my single shot tray though because these probably wouldn't do too good in a magazine.
Ok, still no response from eBay except that it takes 36 hours. So here are the links
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790736952 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790736952)
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737568 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737568)
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Steven I just put ten in a clip and they seem to be just fine in there, I kinda over slept and am getting a late start today but I'll definitely be trying them in the field today, I'll be using the 22 grainers, I love them adds on ebay you did, I'll bet these sell fast. I personally use pure lead on all my casts. Stephen I think you'll really like my cast stuff too, I noticed yesterday that the NOE 217-24-RF is still in stock which amazed me because of how fast they normally sell when in stock, that particular pellet (the lightest) is unreal for pellet accuracy but I know it doesn't hold a candle to the accuracy of my 28.2 grain slugs from my Airmax Dominator.Wayne, where is the mold in stock? In RotoMetal? Share link
Stephen,
I watched your video and am very impressed, nice work! I don't have a Liberty yet but have several Freedoms. I bought several of the parts guns hoping to get one or two to function properly and have one for spare parts. As luck would have it that is what I got, two that pump up with a very slow leak and one that won't pump at all. I'm thinking your slugs should perform as well in the Freedom as it does in the Liberty once I get it tuned using a chronograph. Would it be possible to offer a sampler pack of 25 of each weight for guys to find which slug they like best? Thanks!
Stephen,
I watched your video and am very impressed, nice work! I don't have a Liberty yet but have several Freedoms. I bought several of the parts guns hoping to get one or two to function properly and have one for spare parts. As luck would have it that is what I got, two that pump up with a very slow leak and one that won't pump at all. I'm thinking your slugs should perform as well in the Freedom as it does in the Liberty once I get it tuned using a chronograph. Would it be possible to offer a sampler pack of 25 of each weight for guys to find which slug they like best? Thanks!
Hey John, thanks for the idea. Yes, I will put together some sample packs. I waiting for lead supply to arrive. I should get my next supply next week. I will let you know as soon as they are ready.
I'd love to try that.Stephen,
I watched your video and am very impressed, nice work! I don't have a Liberty yet but have several Freedoms. I bought several of the parts guns hoping to get one or two to function properly and have one for spare parts. As luck would have it that is what I got, two that pump up with a very slow leak and one that won't pump at all. I'm thinking your slugs should perform as well in the Freedom as it does in the Liberty once I get it tuned using a chronograph. Would it be possible to offer a sampler pack of 25 of each weight for guys to find which slug they like best? Thanks!
Hey John, thanks for the idea. Yes, I will put together some sample packs. I waiting for lead supply to arrive. I should get my next supply next week. I will let you know as soon as they are ready.
Stephen those 22 grain slugs shoot really nice, I didn't really have a rest when shooting and I was weebly wobbly shooting sitting on a log today.
I did pace it out and the distance was actually a little more than 50 yards, it was probably more like 55 yards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaAXIkcPFks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaAXIkcPFks)
Stephen,My Freedom, the more that I shoot the Freedom the better I like it, who'da thunk I'd have that much freedom with a pcp ??? Not only the freedom that the gun delivers but also the freedom to cast as many pellets as I want at the price of pure lead from Rotometals
Great, Thanks!!
Thanks for the video Wayne. Was that using your Freedom or Liberty?
While I do not cast my own pellets...yet, I am much more impressed with the freedom than I would have ever imagined.Stephen,My Freedom, the more that I shoot the Freedom the better I like it, who'da thunk I'd have that much freedom with a pcp ??? Not only the freedom that the gun delivers but also the freedom to cast as many pellets as I want at the price of pure lead from Rotometals
Great, Thanks!!
Thanks for the video Wayne. Was that using your Freedom or Liberty?
Stephen,My Freedom, the more that I shoot the Freedom the better I like it, who'da thunk I'd have that much freedom with a pcp ??? Not only the freedom that the gun delivers but also the freedom to cast as many pellets as I want at the price of pure lead from Rotometals
Great, Thanks!!
Thanks for the video Wayne. Was that using your Freedom or Liberty?
That is Liberty and Freedom!
Stephen those 22 grain slugs shoot really nice, I didn't really have a rest when shooting and I was weebly wobbly shooting sitting on a log today.
I did pace it out and the distance was actually a little more than 50 yards, it was probably more like 55 yards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaAXIkcPFks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaAXIkcPFks)
Thank you James I hope they work as well for you as they do for me.
Wayne, wow! I received your cast pellets. They are the most beautiful pellets I have ever seen. The 23 grain have a nice long skirt which resembles the jsb monster redesigned. I bet the 23 grain have a higher BC than short skirt pellets. I can't wait to try them. My daughter thought your pellet where for making jewelry.
Thank you!
Maybe this comment deserves its own post, but I'm going to ask here.
One guy from Argentina was asking me if here in the USA we don't have yet the "Liberty in .25" he is telling me that in his country the rifle is known as the HP800 and it's the new big thing because the price and performance.
Any news on when are we going to have the .25? Anyone have asked Jenifer? :)
I would be interested to hear from your Argentinian friend, what the reg set-point is, and if he knows if the plenum is larger.
Ok, still no response from eBay except that it takes 36 hours. So here are the links
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790736952 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790736952)
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737568 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737568)
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Thx, order placed. I haven't used ebay in a long time, but don't remember having to wait longer than overnight for the add to be searchable. Ridiculous.
I received 100 ea of 24 and 26 gr yesterday. My Liberty is right around 40 FPE. shot 5 of each at 30 yds and shot two keyholes. Would have been tighter if I was on my game a little more.Ok, still no response from eBay except that it takes 36 hours. So here are the links
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790736952 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790736952)
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737568 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737568)
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737751 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737751)
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737370 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737370)
Thx, order placed. I haven't used ebay in a long time, but don't remember having to wait longer than overnight for the add to be searchable. Ridiculous.
I received them today and quickly burned through 30 of them, finishing off the air in the Liberty. They look and measure very consistent. Fit the gauntlet mag with just a little room left. They feed better than the 21g BM. At my current tune, the Liberty is only lobbing them at 730fps. They were shooting one hole at 10yds, with one flyer out of the 1st 10 shot mag. At 50 yds I consistently hit my 1.5" metal target.
Time to up the power and get close to Stephen's 920fps to reach out to 100yds. Need to clean some foliage out of my 100yd range, too. Looking very good for my 1st time entering the slug game. :)
FYI: I purchased the 24g slugs, and just order 4 more packs. :)
Stephen, those slugs are hitting the iguanas hard. Yesterday I had the chance to test them and I did this quick clip to share it here.
https://youtu.be/q-2A4l_PD_Q
Awesome buddy!
They work really well! I need to test them at long range but that was a 40 yard and a 68 yard and the accuracy is perfect, on the 68 yard I see the slug hit exactly where I was aiming, and the funny thing was that I was aiming a bit low, but it didn't matter, the iguana dropped like a rock. I was tempted to open the iguana and see how the slug ended up but well, breakfast was heavy that day ;)Stephen, those slugs are hitting the iguanas hard. Yesterday I had the chance to test them and I did this quick clip to share it here.
https://youtu.be/q-2A4l_PD_Q
Awesome buddy!
Hey Erlis, nice shooting! I guess they work OK. so, glad to hear that.
They work really well! I need to test them at long range but that was a 40 yard and a 68 yard and the accuracy is perfect, on the 68 yard I see the slug hit exactly where I was aiming, and the funny thing was that I was aiming a bit low, but it didn't matter, the iguana dropped like a rock. I was tempted to open the iguana and see how the slug ended up but well, breakfast was heavy that day ;)Stephen, those slugs are hitting the iguanas hard. Yesterday I had the chance to test them and I did this quick clip to share it here.
https://youtu.be/q-2A4l_PD_Q
Awesome buddy!
Hey Erlis, nice shooting! I guess they work OK. so, glad to hear that.
The airgun blast in slow motion sounds like a tuning fork, Orion ;D
Piano tuner ????
Lol, this was really funny!Piano tuner ????
Yea specifically to “Rock and Roll”. The slugs hit like a rock and you prey roll over dead. ;D
Lol, this was really funny!Piano tuner ????
Yea specifically to “Rock and Roll”. The slugs hit like a rock and you prey roll over dead. ;D
Highlight of my day.... so far. ;DLol, this was really funny!Piano tuner ????
Yea specifically to “Rock and Roll”. The slugs hit like a rock and you prey roll over dead. ;D
I was hoping somebody besides me thought it was funny 😁
For anyone that hasn't tried Stephens slugs in the .22 Freedom's they're a heck of a good slug in these guns, accurate and they work fantastic in the magazine. That was one thing that I was unsure of when I first went out shooting them was whether or not the slugs would stay in the mags good, Stephen did post that he had good luck with them in the mags and my experience is the same.Wayne, I was shooting with them on the mags and no problem at all so far
The Liberty can be tuned more than the freedom. The freedom has a hammer spring adj, the liberty has to have the hammer spring adj using shims but, it has an adj reg which can be adj without disassembling the rifle. You just need to vent all of the pressure to adj it. Some will say that you can turn the reg pressure up with it pressurized but I just vent all of the pressure before I make a reg change. Remember, it doesn't have a pmp which I'm sure you already know and hand pumping while can be done is a lot of work as the reservoir is about 4 times larger than the freedom.
The Liberty can be tuned more than the freedom. The freedom has a hammer spring adj, the liberty has to have the hammer spring adj using shims but, it has an adj reg which can be adj without disassembling the rifle. You just need to vent all of the pressure to adj it. Some will say that you can turn the reg pressure up with it pressurized but I just vent all of the pressure before I make a reg change. Remember, it doesn't have a pmp which I'm sure you already know and hand pumping while can be done is a lot of work as the reservoir is about 4 times larger than the freedom.
I plan on keeping pressure to about 3800 psi and setting the regulator to about 2400 psi, hoping I get about 850psi + with JSB Heavies ? I will open the barrel port to .173+ also, if I don’t get at least 25 - 30 shots I will fill to a higher pressure till I get it.
This configuration simply change to reg (1/4 turn) and .100 washers behind hammer spring jumped the stock 26ftlbs to the sweet JSB 18.1 900 fps 30ftlbs
I wonder how many pumps it takes to go from about 2500 psi to 3600 psi on a Chinese pump ?
wll
The Liberty can be tuned more than the freedom. The freedom has a hammer spring adj, the liberty has to have the hammer spring adj using shims but, it has an adj reg which can be adj without disassembling the rifle. You just need to vent all of the pressure to adj it. Some will say that you can turn the reg pressure up with it pressurized but I just vent all of the pressure before I make a reg change. Remember, it doesn't have a pmp which I'm sure you already know and hand pumping while can be done is a lot of work as the reservoir is about 4 times larger than the freedom.
I plan on keeping pressure to about 3800 psi and setting the regulator to about 2400 psi, hoping I get about 850psi + with JSB Heavies ? I will open the barrel port to .173+ also, if I don’t get at least 25 - 30 shots I will fill to a higher pressure till I get it.
I wonder how many pumps it takes to go from about 2500 psi to 3600 psi on a Chinese pump ?
wll
The Liberty can be tuned more than the freedom. The freedom has a hammer spring adj, the liberty has to have the hammer spring adj using shims but, it has an adj reg which can be adj without disassembling the rifle. You just need to vent all of the pressure to adj it. Some will say that you can turn the reg pressure up with it pressurized but I just vent all of the pressure before I make a reg change. Remember, it doesn't have a pmp which I'm sure you already know and hand pumping while can be done is a lot of work as the reservoir is about 4 times larger than the freedom.
I plan on keeping pressure to about 3800 psi and setting the regulator to about 2400 psi, hoping I get about 850psi + with JSB Heavies ? I will open the barrel port to .173+ also, if I don’t get at least 25 - 30 shots I will fill to a higher pressure till I get it.
This configuration simply change to reg (1/4 turn) and .100 washers behind hammer spring jumped the stock 26ftlbs to the sweet JSB 18.1 900 fps 30ftlbs
I wonder how many pumps it takes to go from about 2500 psi to 3600 psi on a Chinese pump ?
wll
The port I drilled to .186 but it only gave me a 1-2ftlb boost. I would concentrate on hammer spring & upping the reg. Not to be ignored simply swapping the set screw and cap screw position behind the trigger blade went from 3.5lb to 2.25lb pull brilliant hunting carry vs Benchrest configuration.
I spent the weekend sending 100 of Stephans 26.1 gr slugs down range with my .22 Liberty at 650-660 fps, topped off the gun once. I kind of like the slower speed I can watch the slug gracefully fly to its mark.
I was thinking of upping the power, but the slugs lose very little down range energy I may just keep it where it is at, a low speed back yard slug gun, with the option to send pellets as fast as they can stay stable.
I spent the weekend sending 100 of Stephans 26.1 gr slugs down range with my .22 Liberty at 650-660 fps, topped off the gun once. I kind of like the slower speed I can watch the slug gracefully fly to its mark.
I was thinking of upping the power, but the slugs lose very little down range energy I may just keep it where it is at, a low speed back yard slug gun, with
the option to send pellets as fast as they can stay stable.
Wow, I wouldn't think they would be OK at 660fps but that is good to hear. My next range day testing I will try various velocities @ 100 yards to see if they can do better.
Thanks
Yes, I will find time to test all 4 weights. Since I have an easy to adjust hammer spring adjuster it should not be too bad to do. I will also test shooting the slugs into water jugs to see how they expand. Maybe even try some penetration tests.Remember, women are from Venus and men are from Mars and what are the temps like on those planets? lol
I'll post a video as soon as the testing is complete.
Robert, I'm looking forward to see your results. Stay cool. I hate shooting when the weather is above 90. It takes me a little to get used to the hot weather. I prefer 30 degrees Fahrenheit over 90.
Yes, I will find time to test all 4 weights. Since I have an easy to adjust hammer spring adjuster it should not be too bad to do. I will also test shooting the slugs into water jugs to see how they expand. Maybe even try some penetration tests.Hey Stepen, do you have any idea what the BC is on your slugs??? I wonder if the BC would compare to the cast slugs that are the same wt?
I'll post a video as soon as the testing is complete.
Robert, I'm looking forward to see your results. Stay cool. I hate shooting when the weather is above 90. It takes me a little to get used to the hot weather. I prefer 30 degrees Fahrenheit over 90.
Yes, I will find time to test all 4 weights. Since I have an easy to adjust hammer spring adjuster it should not be too bad to do. I will also test shooting the slugs into water jugs to see how they expand. Maybe even try some penetration tests.Hey Stepen, do you have any idea what the BC is on your slugs??? I wonder if the BC would compare to the cast slugs that are the same wt?
I'll post a video as soon as the testing is complete.
Robert, I'm looking forward to see your results. Stay cool. I hate shooting when the weather is above 90. It takes me a little to get used to the hot weather. I prefer 30 degrees Fahrenheit over 90.
Cool , which weight slug did you find worked best in your Liberty?Yes, I will find time to test all 4 weights. Since I have an easy to adjust hammer spring adjuster it should not be too bad to do. I will also test shooting the slugs into water jugs to see how they expand. Maybe even try some penetration tests.Hey Stepen, do you have any idea what the BC is on your slugs??? I wonder if the BC would compare to the cast slugs that are the same wt?
I'll post a video as soon as the testing is complete.
Robert, I'm looking forward to see your results. Stay cool. I hate shooting when the weather is above 90. It takes me a little to get used to the hot weather. I prefer 30 degrees Fahrenheit over 90.
I do not know the exact BC but my next outting I will buy a second chrony and measure the velocity at the muzzle and down range and do the calculation.
Don't shoot your down range chrony Stephen.
Thanks!Don't shoot your down range chrony Stephen.
I plan to place a small piece of Plexi glass in front of the chrony. I have shot my camera once.
Robert, so far it seems that the 23 grain did the best. But they all work very well.
Stephen did you ever get a chance to shoot the pellets I sent ???
Thanks!Don't shoot your down range chrony Stephen.
I plan to place a small piece of Plexi glass in front of the chrony. I have shot my camera once.
Robert, so far it seems that the 23 grain did the best. But they all work very well.
You know, even with the new valve and the HS shimmed my Liberty and the barrel from my freedom which has the TP opened to 3/16 and is polished with JB still doesn't seem to kick as much as my freedom and all I've done to my freedom is have the HS 1 turn out from bottomed which it came from the MFG only 1 1/2 turns out from bottomed.
That's great Stephen I've never seen what they'd do on a range except for some groups of other people casting their own, Bob Sterne has shown the best so far but most of his seem to be the bigger bores recently, they're the same basic pellet designs but just bigger. There are a couple of people that tried them in their FX's and Daystate also, they said they were really shooting excellent but no targets. At one time there were a bunch of us that would go shooting at a gravel pit on a friends place and we had targets and different distances but he's passed on and that's now a thing of the past. Now days I shoot mainly dead trees in the woods for plinking but don't have the convenience of rests out there like a person has on a range.
Not sure if that's the case or I'm just remembering wrong. It's been so hot and or windy it's been inposible to do any shooting.Thanks!Don't shoot your down range chrony Stephen.
I plan to place a small piece of Plexi glass in front of the chrony. I have shot my camera once.
Robert, so far it seems that the 23 grain did the best. But they all work very well.
You know, even with the new valve and the HS shimmed my Liberty and the barrel from my freedom which has the TP opened to 3/16 and is polished with JB still doesn't seem to kick as much as my freedom and all I've done to my freedom is have the HS 1 turn out from bottomed which it came from the MFG only 1 1/2 turns out from bottomed.
Could it be that the liberty has a different balance?
Well, after doing a couple of shot strings I can definitely say this rifle has some serious kick. It had a peak of 38.4 ftlbs with CPHP at 14.3 g and 43.8 with H&N 21.14 g Barracudas. It wouldn't do very good with the pressure above 3200 psi also.Not sure if that's the case or I'm just remembering wrong. It's been so hot and or windy it's been impossible to do any shooting.Thanks!Don't shoot your down range chrony Stephen.
I plan to place a small piece of Plexi glass in front of the chrony. I have shot my camera once.
Robert, so far it seems that the 23 grain did the best. But they all work very well.
You know, even with the new valve and the HS shimmed my Liberty and the barrel from my freedom which has the TP opened to 3/16 and is polished with JB still doesn't seem to kick as much as my freedom and all I've done to my freedom is have the HS 1 turn out from bottomed which it came from the MFG only 1 1/2 turns out from bottomed.
Could it be that the liberty has a different balance?
I did add a shim but it still doesn't get much vel until it gets down to 3200. Above that it's just like a normal Liberty
I did add a shim but it still doesn't get much vel until it gets down to 3200. Above that it's just like a normal Liberty
I already did lower the reg back to original. I had turned it up 1/4 turn and I'm sure it was too much. I'm probably going to have to turn it down even more but want to test it first. Duy's valve really woke this rifle up and I can see the settings you used Stephen won't work with his valve.
Well, I used your latest settings of 1/4 turn CC on the reg and a shim stack of .100 and when I went to pressurize my Liberty back up the only way to get it to hold air was cocking the rifle. When I shot the rifle the vel. kept raising as the pressure fell and got the most power at around 2500 psi. I'm almost thinking I need to put the rifle back to stock and go from there. Don't really know as this is the first PCP I've tried to tune.
I'll measure the thickness of the stock washer and the McMaster ones. I turned the reg down a quarter of a turn from original but it is just to hot right now to do any testing. I also have to be real careful when I use my compressor as I only have 1 more burst disks left until the end of July, beginning of August.I measured the washers and they're the same thickness but I think the material is stiffer which would make sense as it seems as if the reg is set way higher than 2500. It was probably closer to 3000 or even higher when you stop and think about when the pressure got down in the upper 2000's my velocity jumped because the pressure was below where the reg was regulating to and the hammer spring tension was to the point where it was strong enough to over come the pressure. I know my Aspen is like that, it's sweet spot is right around 3000 psi with the hammer spring adj 1 turn out from bottomed. The velocity is lower if the pressure is higher. Sure wish I had a pressure gauge on the plenum. It would make this all a heck of a lot easier.
Mine has a vent hole.Yep mine too, I've tried McMaster Carr washers in mine but the stack wasn't enough to get good adjustment with so I went back to the originals, the originals in all reality work just fine on mine, I just wanted to see whether the suggested washer's (another source) would work any better and basically the ones that were recommended didn't work at all.
Personally I won't change a thing with the regulator on my Liberty because I'm content for it the way it is.
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I'm not sure if Stephen ever tried any other washers in his but I seem to remember him smoothing the originals out but I could be wrong.
I made some time this morning to get to know my $100 Freedom parts gun a little better. It would pump up but not hold pressure over night so I lubed the heck out of it with silicon oil and now it holds pressure forever, or at least 2 weeks since I last pumped it up. I also had a chance to use my Clamp On Velocity Meter. It's nice to finally know how fast the pellets are coming out. I adjusted the hammer screw all the way in then backed it out one full turn. I was shooting 14.3 gr CPHP . First shot came out at 1214 fps and definitely was not back yard friendly so I backed it out until the velocity was around 900 fps. Still not back yard friendly, lol.
I want to give a big Thank You to Stephen! I received his AVS Sampler pack of slugs and got to try them at 25 yds this morning, I know they are designed for longer distances but that's as far as I can shoot in my shop. I shot three 26.1 gr slugs at 900 fps and stopped there, it was one ragged hole. I want to save the rest to try them at longer distances. If my math is correct that's almost 47 FPE. The AVS slugs are amazing!
I made some time this morning to get to know my $100 Freedom parts gun a little better. It would pump up but not hold pressure over night so I lubed the heck out of it with silicon oil and now it holds pressure forever, or at least 2 weeks since I last pumped it up. I also had a chance to use my Clamp On Velocity Meter. It's nice to finally know how fast the pellets are coming out. I adjusted the hammer screw all the way in then backed it out one full turn. I was shooting 14.3 gr CPHP . First shot came out at 1214 fps and definitely was not back yard friendly so I backed it out until the velocity was around 900 fps. Still not back yard friendly, lol.
I want to give a big Thank You to Stephen! I received his AVS Sampler pack of slugs and got to try them at 25 yds this morning, I know they are designed for longer distances but that's as far as I can shoot in my shop. I shot three 26.1 gr slugs at 900 fps and stopped there, it was one ragged hole. I want to save the rest to try them at longer distances. If my math is correct that's almost 47 FPE. The AVS slugs are amazing!
I went thru the same thing and just ended up leaving the round plug out so I could get to the front bolt. The thing that gets me is it's basically the same as the freedoms rear stock and where the plug and rectangular piece is is where the pump handle tucks up in the stock. Kind of not worthy that they didn't put the hole in the back so if you made a HS adj you could accesses it. sigh! Drill here I come. Gotta have that HS adj.
If you drill out the round piece you still have to remove the plate that the screw under the round piece holds. It's NOT a very good design as the plate piece and the bolt that holds the stock on should've been the same one.
Have you watched Stephens vid on disassembling the Liberty? I't on his AVS youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpT3JuRZfzU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpT3JuRZfzU)
Ok, have any of you found a way to remove the back screws on your trigger without removing the trigger mechanism.
My pull is manageable but I would love to make it crisper ?
Any ideas ?
wll
Ok, have any of you found a way to remove the back screws on your trigger without removing the trigger mechanism.
My pull is manageable but I would love to make it crisper ?
Any ideas ?
wll
The one screw that is backwards is just a grub screw and doesn’t do anything. Maybe try a small easyout bit to get it out.
Why when it's so easy to just punch the pin that hold the trigger to the trigger mount? To use a easy out you will need to drill it and risk and if you slip with the drill....... The grub screw may also catch and drive up into the sear possibly bending it. You don't have to mess with the pin that holds the sear just the one for the trigger.Ok, have any of you found a way to remove the back screws on your trigger without removing the trigger mechanism.
My pull is manageable but I would love to make it crisper ?
Any ideas ?
wll
The one screw that is backwards is just a grub screw and doesn’t do anything. Maybe try a small easyout bit to get it out.
Why when it's so easy to just punch the pin that hold the trigger to the trigger mount? To use a easy out you will need to drill it and risk and if you slip with the drill....... The grub screw may also catch and drive up into the sear possibly bending it. You don't have to mess with the pin that holds the sear just the one for the trigger.Ok, have any of you found a way to remove the back screws on your trigger without removing the trigger mechanism.
My pull is manageable but I would love to make it crisper ?
Any ideas ?
wll
The one screw that is backwards is just a grub screw and doesn’t do anything. Maybe try a small easyout bit to get it out.
I ordered a .22 Liberty this morning and received an order confirmation moments after. It's been several hours now, but still no shipping info. Earlier this year I ordered a Liberty for my cousin and don't recall receiving any tracking info for that order either....it just showed up a week or so later. Has this been the case for the rest of you?Yup pretty much. :) Same as Crosman so were used to it .
Cool. Then it’s definitely worth the 4 minutes!Yeah, i use roller ball tip set screws from McMaster Carr. Look way back in this thread, I posted all i did with this trigger, The only thing I was missing was deleting the spring and the adjustment sequence to actually get the two stages.
One note of caution- I tried to screw the original ones in a little tighter. I though they were setscrews.
THEY ARE NOT!
it’s a small, shouldered bolt; and I almost stripped them.
Yep, if they as in the mfg can save $.10 on a product they will. What I don't understand is why they put that set screw in the back threaded hold instead of not drilling and tapping the front hole and using it to fire the rifle. Forget the front hole and install the screw in the back hole! Now with the money they save from two less machining process and the set screw they could use the ball tip set screw.
You forgot the lawyers and the politicians !!
https://youtu.be/7IF26tOXYBEGreat vid Stephen. I left an comment under Desert Silver of info you need to share about the mods to your rifle otherwise someone may think it's mfg stock.
I'd say come on over but 2000 miles wouldn't even cover it. lol
I just got my two receivers back from Duy. I have them together and they are holding air like champs.Duy's valve and what weight pellet/slug?
At about 3000psi regulator setting one of my guns is putting out 54fpe and the other is stuck at 50fpe. Haha! Only 50fpe. I drilled the barrel to 13/64 or .203"
Just because I still want to use pellets. I did create a bit of a ramp on the barrel port to avoid clipping.
I will be going out to shoot 30grain slugs out to 250 yards...I mean 100 yards because that's all the terrain I have. I'm dying to shoot out way beyond 100 yards. Does anybody within 200 miles of Brooklyn, NY have an open place to shoot long distances? I'll bring the slugs and lunch.
I will be going out to shoot 30grain slugs out to 250 yards...I mean 100 yards because that's all the terrain I have. Im dying to shoot out way beyond 100 yards. Does anybody within 200 miles of Brooklyn, NY have an open place to shoot long distances? I'll bring the slugs and lunch.
Stephen. shoot some 26.1grain slugs to compare to my results. your 28 and 30grains speed are good. are those results from .203 barrel port? thats not bad...tinker with the 50fpe gun, if in doubt, swap the valves and see if it does better in that other gun.
you can probably make the weights from your drill lathe but ill send some
It can be hand pumped but it does suk especially if going for a 300bar fill. I ended up getting a scba tank and a shoebox f10 so I didn’t have to hand pump anymore.Thanks, SoCalZac
Hello darkcharisma
Silent S, the Liberty can be pumped but in sessions. pump to 1ksi, break, then pump to 2ksi, break then 3ksi, then 3.6ksi.
just buy a compressor, i have the ahor box and 1p1060sp california air tools. the shoe box quiet i van fill it at 12am.
Also, buy the rifle of your dreams and the air supply made for it. don't let the pump spoil the sport.
When not if my vevor compressor which is a cheaper knock off of the yong heng dies I will be getting a shoebox. I really wish I would've paid the $50 more for the yong heng compressor which is also much easier to get replacement parts for than the vevor/tuxing/? The shoe box is know to last years before needing to be rebuilt and every part is available here in the USA made by Americans.
you will need the Shoe Box compressor which is on sale from $1000to $500 and use the 1p1060sp to feed it air. the shoe box does the 3000-4500psi. i know its expensive but its worth every penny.
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Silent S, the Liberty can be pumped but in sessions. pump to 1ksi, break, then pump to 2ksi, break then 3ksi, then 3.6ksi.
just buy a compressor, i have the ahor box and 1p1060sp california air tools. the shoe box quiet i van fill it at 12am.
Also, buy the rifle of your dreams and the air supply made for it. don't let the pump spoil the sport.
try upping the reg to the max at 3600psi. you will get satisfaction ;D. you are ready for slugs and such. have ya play with the HS adjuster?I've got the HS adj at just short of coil bind right now. Drilled the hole in the butt stock to access the HS adj so will be playing around with that a little but don't really want to go to high on the reg right now.
i know a little, but i ask alot.
Edward, i would not get a Stormrider if it were to be compared to a liberty. use this coupon code if phone order hardair20 for 20% off.That's it!
300 bar fill max, but we fill it to 3600psi and still get lots of shots. regulated, as light as the stormrider and the barrel is slug ready if you get serious. its a pcp you can learn and grow on for a while before you decide to buy serious pcp. i have a storm rider and hardly touch it.
it looks good to me. i am all about form and function, doesn't need to look good. go get a yote with some 23 grain avs slugsNot yet Duy. Heck, I need to send the old left over pieces of the ChiCom crono to hunter white also and haven't done that. My son and son inlaw were suppose to come over and help me move a 300 lb gun safe into the house for the wife. They postponed until tomorrow so might just head in this after noon to mail both. How much more fpe is your valve good for over the stocker? With the stocker I'm up to 43.5 fpe with the reg at what should be 2100 psi shooting the cuda 21.14 pellet and the hs adj just short of coil bind.
did you send the valves and poppets back?
Dean, its seals up against a delrin piece i think.
Why do you think it's called the dark side. Bill may think there's a bottom to it but he's WRONG!!!!!Edward, i would not get a Stormrider if it were to be compared to a liberty. use this coupon code if phone order hardair20 for 20% off.That's it!
300 bar fill max, but we fill it to 3600psi and still get lots of shots. regulated, as light as the stormrider and the barrel is slug ready if you get serious. its a pcp you can learn and grow on for a while before you decide to buy serious pcp. i have a storm rider and hardly touch it.
Keep me thinking duy.
Point of fact is I never would consider the Stormrider comparable to the Liberty.
It would simply be an easy entry, cheap seats ticket into the PCP world.
I will however run the numbers on a compressor & the Liberty using the code.
It may prove to be more affordable than I assume.
Question about the Yong Heng type compressors
Is there any advantage (especially safety advantage) to the versions that shut off at a specific preset psi; or is the plain Jane shut it off on your own OK?
I would not be filling a tank, but filling the gun directly
Darn!!!
You got me seriously thinkin' about this
Stephen. shoot some 26.1grain slugs to compare to my results. your 28 and 30grains speed are good. are those results from .203 barrel port? thats not bad...tinker with the 50fpe gun, if in doubt, swap the valves and see if it does better in that other gun.
you can probably make the weights from your drill lathe but ill send some
Robert, you will not be able to seal with hand pumps. try again with the compressor. my shoebox sometimes cannot fill it. send those to me ill resurface them and give ya a proper instruction sheet. "dont burnish brass counter sunk valves and poppets. do some dry fires while filling, this helps seat new poppets."
you guys need Billys plenum to fly to 60fpe land. send me a pm, ill make a list and send it to Billy when we have at least 15-20 interests. we are actually trying to see if its do able. when its a go, he will collect your deposits.
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I forsee some gains in your future quest for power!
Edward, i would not get a Stormrider if it were to be compared to a liberty. use this coupon code if phone order hardair20 for 20% off.That's it!
300 bar fill max, but we fill it to 3600psi and still get lots of shots. regulated, as light as the stormrider and the barrel is slug ready if you get serious. its a pcp you can learn and grow on for a while before you decide to buy serious pcp. i have a storm rider and hardly touch it.
Keep me thinking duy.
Point of fact is I never would consider the Stormrider comparable to the Liberty.
It would simply be an easy entry, cheap seats ticket into the PCP world.
I will however run the numbers on a compressor & the Liberty using the code.
It may prove to be more affordable than I assume.
Question about the Yong Heng type compressors
Is there any advantage (especially safety advantage) to the versions that shut off at a specific preset psi; or is the plain Jane shut it off on your own OK?
I would not be filling a tank, but filling the gun directly
Darn!!!
You got me seriously thinkin' about this
yong Heng at Walmart for $235
Stephen. shoot some 26.1grain slugs to compare to my results. your 28 and 30grains speed are good. are those results from .203 barrel port? thats not bad...tinker with the 50fpe gun, if in doubt, swap the valves and see if it does better in that other gun.So Billy, what's the word on the plenums?
you can probably make the weights from your drill lathe but ill send some
Robert, you will not be able to seal with hand pumps. try again with the compressor. my shoebox sometimes cannot fill it. send those to me ill resurface them and give ya a proper instruction sheet. "dont burnish brass counter sunk valves and poppets. do some dry fires while filling, this helps seat new poppets."
you guys need Billys plenum to fly to 60fpe land. send me a pm, ill make a list and send it to Billy when we have at least 15-20 interests. we are actually trying to see if its do able. when its a go, he will collect your deposits.
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I forsee some gains in your future quest for power!
Quoteyong Heng at Walmart for $235
Worth buying just to have it as a spare while one waits for parts on that slow boat from China.
Many thanks for sharing!
The parts diagram shows a ball bearing..Ray I was looking at that same diagram too, and the manual that I have doesn't show the o ring but there has to be one or none of them would seal, on the aspen manual it shows an o ring in those but it's a completely different setup than the Liberty. I really need to take apart my Liberty to find out exactly how everything in them works because the manuals for them are very sketchy being they're deciphered from Chinese.
Stephen. shoot some 26.1grain slugs to compare to my results. your 28 and 30grains speed are good. are those results from .203 barrel port? thats not bad...tinker with the 50fpe gun, if in doubt, swap the valves and see if it does better in that other gun.So Billy, what's the word on the plenums?
you can probably make the weights from your drill lathe but ill send some
Robert, you will not be able to seal with hand pumps. try again with the compressor. my shoebox sometimes cannot fill it. send those to me ill resurface them and give ya a proper instruction sheet. "dont burnish brass counter sunk valves and poppets. do some dry fires while filling, this helps seat new poppets."
you guys need Billys plenum to fly to 60fpe land. send me a pm, ill make a list and send it to Billy when we have at least 15-20 interests. we are actually trying to see if its do able. when its a go, he will collect your deposits.
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I forsee some gains in your future quest for power!
Duy has another plenum with a 1/2x20 nipple in his possession that he will be doing some testing with. I am sure he will be thorough. We are hoping for some meaningful performance gains.
When the results are in, I'll do a cost analysis, project potential sales numbers and see if a production run is in order. For example....if I made a hundred, likely would have to sell eighty to break even in an attempt to keep a reasonable price. Programming, setup, tooling, machine time, etc, etc.
If I made fifty, the cost would have to go up. Some people will want a bolt on 10mm nipple. Others may opt for a 1/2 x20 nipple for a larger transfer that will require machining the receiver. If I only sold 79, or 39, I'd be losing money.
I am using some pricey material, 7068 aluminum. As strong as 6al4v ti, it was once classified, a controlled material and not common or known in most circles even today. I could use 7075 but the wall thicknesses would go up considerably, reducing precious plenum volume although they would be cheaper.
I remember people asking JSAR to make special valves for some Hatsan models. There was a lot of talk but JSAR could not get enough commitment to go into production. We'll see if that scenario repeats itself, I hope not.
Quoteyong Heng at Walmart for $235
Worth buying just to have it as a spare while one waits for parts on that slow boat from China.
Many thanks for sharing!
PLUS, for almost nothing you can get wal marts extended warranty for four years!!!! Pump, pump, pump with abandon.
It can be hand pumped but it does suk especially if going for a 300bar fill. I ended up getting a scba tank and a shoebox f10 so I didn’t have to hand pump anymore.If you weigh more than 180 lbs. and are younger than 60, it is great exercise. My problem is that I'm older than 65 and weigh ~160 lbs. and I end up with my feet off the ground when pumping it to over 200 bar. My 11 and 13 year grandsons would go through a lot of air so I ended getting a electric pump.
Quoteyong Heng at Walmart for $235
Wal Mart does not directly sell, they are from outside vendors. If they cannot repair or replace, they give 100% refund and you keep the compressor.
Worth buying just to have it as a spare while one waits for parts on that slow boat from China.
Many thanks for sharing!
PLUS, for almost nothing you can get wal marts extended warranty for four years!!!! Pump, pump, pump with abandon.
Yea I wonder how they handle warranty work?
I also wonder if these are "old stock" or "new stock". From what I understand YH has done some improvements along the way.
But not from Walmart. You have to return the item to the 'MarketPlace" vendor and wait for your refund.... believe me. I just went through it not too long ago.Quoteyong Heng at Walmart for $235
Wal Mart does not directly sell, they are from outside vendors. If they cannot repair or replace, they give 100% refund and you keep the compressor.
Worth buying just to have it as a spare while one waits for parts on that slow boat from China.
Many thanks for sharing!
PLUS, for almost nothing you can get wal marts extended warranty for four years!!!! Pump, pump, pump with abandon.
Yea I wonder how they handle warranty work?
I also wonder if these are "old stock" or "new stock". From what I understand YH has done some improvements along the way.
Wal Mart has outside vendors. If the cannot repair or replace you get a full refund.
But not from Walmart. You have to return the item to the 'MarketPlace" vendor and wait for your refund.... believe me. I just went through it not too long ago.
It's nice to know that Wal mart will try to resolve issues even with outside vendors.
I thought this thread was a topic about ATI (Nova Vista guns) ???
In hindsight, if I were new to the PCP world I think I would buy a Maximus and a Chinese hand pump.Thanks for the reconsideration Duy.
https://www.fieldsupply.com/benjamin-maximus-air-rifle-177-cal-black.html (https://www.fieldsupply.com/benjamin-maximus-air-rifle-177-cal-black.html)
https://www.ebay.com/i/173705984393?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=173705984393&targetid=541453965492&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012797&poi=&campaignid=1881504899&mkgroupid=66933536821&rlsatarget=aud-762207186714:pla-541453965492&abcId=1139336&merchantid=115308880&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlNbzq-GY5AIV5JJbCh097QidEAYYAyABEgJxjvD_BwE (https://www.ebay.com/i/173705984393?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=173705984393&targetid=541453965492&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012797&poi=&campaignid=1881504899&mkgroupid=66933536821&rlsatarget=aud-762207186714:pla-541453965492&abcId=1139336&merchantid=115308880&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlNbzq-GY5AIV5JJbCh097QidEAYYAyABEgJxjvD_BwE)
Less than $300 invested. If you decide that PCP is for you there are many upgrades and mods for the Maximus to keep your learning experience learning. It's a 2k fill gun so hand pumping will won't be sour grapes. The Disco is another option with a 2k fill.
The Marauder would be the next level up if you are young and ambitious enough to pump to 3k.
Anyone who shoots PCP would be wise to have a hand pump as a backup. The $50 hand pumps have been proven to be just as dependable as pumps costing 3x more.
Shoot and learn while you're reviewing and socking money away for your 'dream machine'.
The only advantage with the StormRider might be that it's a repeater.Thanks Duy
Mods/customer service and parts availability advantages goes to the Disco and/or Maximus.
The StormRider is a 3k gun.... more hand pumping.
You're Da Man Stephen!
And when the .25 comes out you'll be able to really click your heels !
When someone figures that out they'll know the winning power ball numbers too! !!! LOLYou're Da Man Stephen!
And when the .25 comes out you'll be able to really click your heels !
Is there a Liberty 25 in the works at ATI?
You're Da Man Stephen!
And when the .25 comes out you'll be able to really click your heels !
Is there a Liberty 25 in the works at ATI?
you didnt shoot one of the 54 fpe modded guns?
btw, i am here or text directly if you need any support, i can aslo look at the 50fpe gun and make sure she performs up to 55fpe. none of this will cost you but one way shipping to me, so don't hesitate even after 30 days. :o
Thank you Steve for what you share with all of us.. ... We all benefit with all the knowledge shared here !!!!!!!
Thank you Steve for what you share with all of us.. ... We all benefit with all the knowledge shared here !!!!!!!
Ray, I just want more people to experience the "joy of Airgun shooting". A happy little golf ball gets shot here and a happy little shot gun shell get shot there...Bob Ross 1980s
Still would like to know if the barrel probe and probe sleeve are interchangeable between the Liberty and the Aspen...The pellet probe for both the liberty and freedom n .22 are the same part number. The sleeve that the pellet probe slides in inside of the receiver is the same part number also for the .22 so it logically would seem to me that the probe and sleeve from the .25 Aspen would swap no problem with the Liberty.
as far as parts and spares, no.So $40 to $70? For the bigger plenum
but its a 55 fpe rifle for an extra $55 for +-15 shots. 62 fpe for $155 at -+8 shots. no need to change barrel for slugs.
So $40 to $70? For the bigger plenum
Tell me about it. 101 pages. someone referred me to this page if i needed information when it was 50 pages, i said nah. so i watched Stephens videos, i feel like i am cheating yall
I haven't even messed with my Liberty or Freedom since I got the DAR's out of the mothballs.
I'm hooked on them all John, I'll be getting one of the ATI's back out soon, thinking about putting the UTG Swat scope back on the Freedom soon. What I need to do is get me another decent scope, I've been tempted to try one of the 12x Centerpoints, I've heard they're a half way decent scope for the money ???I haven't even messed with my Liberty or Freedom since I got the DAR's out of the mothballs.
I'm going to turn you in to the Airgun Police, for neglect! ;)
Kerry there's definitely a boatload of fantastic info throughout this entire thread !!! When working on the ATI's my main tools are the manuals, my trusty ancient Craftsman verier calipers and if need be a complete teardown of which ever gun it is that I'm working on. The last time I had my Liberty apart my thoughts were I'm going to need to go through this gun with a fine tooth comb. As of yet I really haven't done that but eventually I will. I've worked more on the Freedom myself, it's such a handy gun out in the woods that leaves a person worry free about everything except whether or not they brought enough pellets.
Kerry then you'd see people wanting a Daystate gate, Diana gate SPA gate, Ataman gate and the list would go on, then the confusion would really begin.
It could just be a Asian sub gate under the pcp major gate like big bores. ...
Why, there's one under the springer gate. There's also one for the german, spanish, chec, etc.
I got news for ya, every forum I'm on their search function suxs.
You have better luck just running a google search at times.
Thx for the replys. It turned out that the hammer was hitting on the cocking lever end cap. After removing that, it just slid out. I then just pushed the valve out with a dowel rod. Boy that valve is tiny. The pictures I've seen make it look much bigger. Duy, I didn't really understand your "trench" comments, until now. It forms the exhaust. I was initially concerned the poppet didn't have a taper at the end where the hammer contacts it. ie it might mushroom out. Found out there was a o-ring sealing it and the hole is larger than the poppet shaft OD. That shouldn't be an issue.I took my dremel with a cut off wheel and made a slot in the top to use a screw driver to hold it. It is loctited
I didn't find any external leaking with the detector spray, but when I removed the plenum there was no air pressure, so betting it is the poppet. The poppet sealing material has a deep indent where it its the raised edge. It also looks like the can is just starting to contact valve.
Fighting with that little Philips screw in the cocking arm assembly, now. ;)
Fighting with that little Philips screw in the cocking arm assembly, now. ;)I took my dremel with a cut off wheel and made a slot in the top to use a screw driver to hold it. It is loctited
The only advantage with the StormRider might be that it's a repeater.Hey Duy
Mods/customer service and parts availability advantages goes to the Disco and/or Maximus.
The StormRider is a 3k gun.... more hand pumping.
Fix it! Drilled a new hole with a .046 drill and I think the hammer problem was caused by me over tightening the screw that hold in the valve but won't know until I can do some shot strings tomorrow. Did shoot one CPHP 14.3 and got 1071 FPS and that was with 3K psi.
Almost as loud as the 1114 fps I did 2 days ago. Loud!! Once I finally get it shooting consistent I'm going to try and quite it down some. I've got the peek poppet sealing up just fine.(https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/facebook/200/thumbs-up-sign_1f44d.png)
With the stock reg setting. I gotta tell ya those first few shots really made my ears ring!! lol
Forgot to say, I subbed the avg for shot #3
It's a excel program that triggertreat made and can be down loaded here. https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=146784.msg1545959#msg1545959 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=146784.msg1545959#msg1545959)With the stock reg setting. I gotta tell ya those first few shots really made my ears ring!! lol
Forgot to say, I subbed the avg for shot #3
Pardon the intrusion, please
What program is that you are using to track your shot string?
Ed
26.1 AVS slug gave 888.
ThanksYep! I had been using one that converted mps to fps and figured high vel and low vel along with fpe. This one is much better as it gives you a lot of info to use when tuning
That just saved lots of making a spreadsheet time
I believe the primary cause of 90+% of the leaks, is the poppets. The material is too soft. Apparently, this is not the only mfg that has had this issue. Even if Nova Vista or ATI had oem poppets available, I'd recommend getting one made from Delrin or PEEK. Will is working on some Delrin inserts and plans to send some out to GTA members. Duy makes a performance poppet, as well. I posted a thread on a DIY method, but its not for everyone. There have been other leaks, but no consolidated data on it being more than a damaged o-ring.It's my understanding that the best test for a leaking poppet is the balloon test.
I believe the primary cause of 90+% of the leaks, is the poppets. The material is too soft. Apparently, this is not the only mfg that has had this issue. Even if Nova Vista or ATI had oem poppets available, I'd recommend getting one made from Delrin or PEEK. Will is working on some Delrin inserts and plans to send some out to GTA members. Duy makes a performance poppet, as well. I posted a thread on a DIY method, but its not for everyone. There have been other leaks, but no consolidated data on it being more than a damaged o-ring.It's my understanding that the best test for a leaking poppet is the balloon test.
That's a balloon secured to the barrel. Correct?
Yes, shroud removed and balloon around barrel and I used a heavy rubber band with multiple wraps.
Is a balloon test also valid over the gauge & fill port?
Gauge - No. Fill port if it is a foster type. Maybe attached to the probe end.
When searching out the source of leaks, where are the other places to look; and what are the methods (such as soapy water) for finding them?
Any place that has a seal. I've used soapy water and the CRC aerosol. Even with this, slow leaks can be hard to find. I tried to find my plastic Liberty leak yesterday, but was not successful.
Thanks
Ed
I'm regularly reading comments on different forums regarding leaking issues. It seems like ATI receives a high number of returns, presumably for this very reason.
It appears ATI never repairs these guns, since they don't have the parts necessary to do so. Instead they send out replacement rifles, never addressing the issue.
My cousin's Liberty developed a slow leak before it even saw a full tin of pellets. That slow leak has worsened, and the rifle will be shipped back to ATI this week.
I purchased my very own Liberty less than 2 months ago. So far, so good...no leaks...yet. But I just can't shake the feeling that it's only a matter of time before mine leaks too.
I realize that most, if not all, PCP guns will eventually leak and require some kind of maintenance. However, these guns seem more prone to leaking than others.
It's frustrating because this a great gun when it's functioning properly. But how can you put trust in it when replacement parts are virtually nonexistent and a leaking issue seems to be inevitable?
I recently had the fill assy apart and the gauge is M8 with a o-ring sealing on the back. Small gauges are notorious for leaks, so ordered these to have on hand: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KK5Y1V9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KK5Y1V9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)Watching!! I want a gage on the plenum so much. Right now it's just a guessing game.
I am also looking into installing a gauge in the plenum plug. That would take a M10 gauge, given the inside pocket is 9mm. I already have the gauges, but Duy recommended using a reamer before hand threading with a M10 X 1.0 tap. I will post a thread once I receive the reamer and perform.
I believe the primary cause of 90+% of the leaks, is the poppets. The material is too soft. Apparently, this is not the only mfg that has had this issue. Even if Nova Vista or ATI had oem poppets available, I'd recommend getting one made from Delrin or PEEK. Will is working on some Delrin inserts and plans to send some out to GTA members. Duy makes a performance poppet, as well. I posted a thread on a DIY method, but its not for everyone. There have been other leaks, but no consolidated data on it being more than a damaged o-ring.It's my understanding that the best test for a leaking poppet is the balloon test.
That's a balloon secured to the barrel. Correct?
Yes, shroud removed and balloon around barrel and I used a heavy rubber band with multiple wraps.
Is a balloon test also valid over the gauge & fill port?
Gauge - No. Fill port if it is a foster type. Maybe attached to the probe end.
When searching out the source of leaks, where are the other places to look; and what are the methods (such as soapy water) for finding them?
Any place that has a seal. I've used soapy water and the CRC aerosol. Even with this, slow leaks can be hard to find. I tried to find my plastic Liberty leak yesterday, but was not successful.
Thanks
Ed
My comments above:
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Balloon test will work to detect leaky poppet, but this is quicker. Expose barrel, get liquid dish soap ( dawn etc.) put a drop between your 1st finger & thumb. Make a thin film and touch your finger to the end of barrel. Even if your leak is super small,
You will be able to see the soap film start to bulge. (5 min. will show any leak
Be sure to wipe ALL of the soap cilm off & apply light coat of silicine oil to protect from rust.
I recently had the fill assy apart and the gauge is M8 with a o-ring sealing on the back. Small gauges are notorious for leaks, so ordered these to have on hand: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KK5Y1V9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KK5Y1V9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)Are each of you relocating the gauge to the plenum, or adding a gauge to the rifle?
I am also looking into installing a gauge in the plenum plug. That would take a M10 gauge, given the inside pocket is 9mm. I already have the gauges, but Duy recommended using a reamer before hand threading with a M10 X 1.0 tap. I will post a thread once I receive the reamer and perform.
It is adding a 2nd gauge that reads the plenum pressure that way when the regulator is adjusted you can see what it is set to. From a shot string, it is not always easy to tell where it is.Thanks, John
I have a few guns that have the gauge there. The first was a bit unnerving, but got use to it. Always know if it is cocked or not.
Was just trying to get my Liberty quited down. No joy!!! That thing is LOUD!!!!. My have to try the old hair curler/felt trick to see what it will do.Just to justify my statement, my Liberty with 14.3 pellets are exceeding the speed of sound at my altitude. That is why no joy on quitting it down. Loud she be!!!!
Was just trying to get my Liberty quited down. No joy!!! That thing is LOUD!!!!. My have to try the old hair curler/felt trick to see what it will do.Just to justify my statement, my Liberty with 14.3 pellets are exceeding the speed of sound at my altitude. That is why no joy on quitting it down. Loud she be!!!!
oh i meant at a higher pressure, dont you wanna push it harder?
where are the power hungry folks?
i dont know whats wrong with me but if my pellet guns cant push minimum 55fpe,
;D...
doesn't power entice you guys even a little?
where are the power hungry folks?
i dont know whats wrong with me but if my pellet guns cant push minimum 55fpe, i just dont play with it. must be a power deficiency disease
;D...Nothing wrong with you Duy. You just want to see how much you can get out of what ever you're working on. It ends up being a sense of pride and accomplishment and I understand it. MOST people want to accomplish things which is why we've been to the moon, can fly anywhere in the world, make a nice home for themselves and their family etc.
doesn't power entice you guys even a little?
where are the power hungry folks?
I don't know whats wrong with me but if my pellet guns cant push minimum 55fpe, I just don't play with it. must be a power deficiency disease
what do you mean swapping locations between the gauge and fill port?I hear ya' Duy!
there is no swapping, but there should be "adding" another gauge to the removable Plenum and "leaving" the fill gauge alone. ;)
Well, I tried to turn the reg up just 1/8 of a turn CCW. Even with the HS adj tightened until just before HS coil bind and all I could get with 21.14 cudas is low 700 fps. I really need to shorten the poppet stem back down to stock length. Either my reg isn't working at all or is the setting is all out of whack and I'm pushing way more pressure than expected.
The question I have about using the plenum plug to mount a gage is, is there enough meat left to where the O ring groove is to be strong enough to handle up to say 3K psi?
I'm not talking collapse inward but blowing outward.
Orings without grooves generally will not hold air in, i have tried it with my gauge adapter mated to the receiver, it wont hold in without a groove cut into the adapter. air will seep out on high pressure.
just use thread tape, its easier to remove the gauge if needed.
Orings without grooves generally will not hold air in, i have tried it with my gauge adapter mated to the receiver, it wont hold in without a groove cut into the adapter. air will seep out on high pressure.IMO the grey PTFE tape (impregnated with nickel) is stronger; & the nickle lubricates the threads.
just use thread tape, its easier to remove the gauge if needed.
I guess I'll plan on doing the sandwich seal at the bottom of the gauge. I was actually expecting that on the M8 fill assy gauge. https://www.amazon.com/Paintball-Pressure-Gasket-Sealing-Connector/dp/B07JF6SLK1/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=M10%2Bgauge%2Bseals&qid=1568820869&sr=8-2&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Paintball-Pressure-Gasket-Sealing-Connector/dp/B07JF6SLK1/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=M10%2Bgauge%2Bseals&qid=1568820869&sr=8-2&th=1&psc=1)
those seals have OD smaller than the OD of the threads. its meant to seal against the flat surfaces on both sides on the gauge hole and the plenum plug if it has flat surface inside that 9mm hole you about to ream out. but its a through hole...
oh, you plan to plug the inside to create a flat surface with a small through hole and fit that seal inside. i guess you can buy a steel m10x1 plug online and do that with jbweld around the plug...?
Ok, your going the extra mile. I hope you still think about the available volume after wards.
When i last tested the oem plenum vs plenum with gauge. from 5.2cc to 5 cc. I actually had a small loss in FPS. may not be a deal breaker to you but I can't have anything like that happening to my guns LOL
Well after polishing up the hammer and using the 31/64 to remove any burrs I shot one shot and ended up with 976 fps with a 21.14 gr cuda. Not going to change a thing anymore.
Maybe it got spun when you swapped washers?
Robert, if you put the stems side by side and measure them that way, that is not the correct way.
you need to put the poppets into their own valves and place the valve onto a table where the back side of the larger OD of the valve butts up against the tables edge. Then you will measure how long is the stem extruding from edge of table to the end of the stem.
That's the reg creep. Now, you can tune that out if you'd like. You need to balance the hammer strike to the reg creep and find the middle ground. I often pest at 50 plus yards and my first shot most times is my only shot. Cant have my pellet sailing over my target because its 30 fps faster than the rest.
As yours stands, its got too much hammer strike. If the first shots were slower, you'd need more. You just have to the middle.
That's the reg creep. Now, you can tune that out if you'd like. You need to balance the hammer strike to the reg creep and find the middle ground. I often pest at 50 plus yards and my first shot most times is my only shot. Cant have my pellet sailing over my target because its 30 fps faster than the rest.
As yours stands, its got too much hammer strike. If the first shots were slower, you'd need more. You just have to the middle.
On the Liberty; is adjusting the hammer strike a matter of adding shim washers behind the spring for more strike, & removing (or using thinner ones) to reduce it?
Ed
I have an adjustable HS tensioner in mine like Stephen has so just a just of a screw driver will allow me to adj spring pressure. I drilled a hole in the stock like the Aspen/Freedom has to access it.[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqmmg9xikME (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqmmg9xikME)
I have an adjustable HS tensioner in mine like Stephen has so just a just of a screw driver will allow me to adj spring pressure. I drilled a hole in the stock like the Aspen/Freedom has to access it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqmmg9xikME (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqmmg9xikME)
Well, so much for the delrin poppet!! lol I went to do a shot string to see if I could get more shots per fill. Had everything setup and went to take the first shot and nothing???? WTH??? I had filled it to 3800 psi so thought well maybe I had enough reg creep to lock the valve up. Nope! Had a heck of a time getting the pressure out of the plenum area.
I have two libertys, wood stock and synthetic. The wood I have shimmed the hammer and turned up the reg. The syn is pure stock. Today I planned to heat up the syn and thought I would run a string for a base line.Wow
Started at 3200 then to 2,900 to 2,800 to 2,500 to 2,200 to 2,000 ended at 1,800.
Going to leave this one stock for plinking and back yard vermin.
PS took one shot before at a target and one shot after and got one large hole. I know not pic so it did not happen but I know it happened and had no plans before I shot this string to post. Was at 25yds.
Well, so much for the delrin poppet!! lol I went to do a shot string to see if I could get more shots per fill. Had everything setup and went to take the first shot and nothing???? WTH??? I had filled it to 3800 psi so thought well maybe I had enough reg creep to lock the valve up. Nope! Had a heck of a time getting the pressure out of the plenum area.
Looks like the stem was driven through the end, and Delrin slid down, and why the plenum didn't leak down. Peek should be allot stronger, for high reg set-points and/or using allot more energy to hit it.
I guess it is good to keep the C-clip on, for our Delrin converted poppets.
Silent squirrel, the reason I switched to the hades 15.9 is they seem to dump more energy it the rats or tree rats that I’m shooting. Less through and through when I switch to low power. ( about 750 FPS and 20 FPE and still very accurate at 25yds) Being a backyard situation I try to avoid a pellet going through a squirrel and continue on to who knows where. 20 FPE is way more than I need but like to make sure they expire on the spot. Head shot and DOA when the hit the ground with very little pass through if any. I shoot the 18s out of my other liberty when I’m out in the field and love them.Fully understood, LastDog
Anybody know what the screw size is for the front sight? I installed the barrel band from a freedom on my Aspen. When I removed the front sight on my Liberty I thought I had put the screw in with the sight but no joy.
Just did a little tuning on my Liberty with the ported stock valve and the reg turned up 1/8 of a turn. Ended up with 956fps with a cuda 21.14 pellet which is 42.9 fpe. It's not using all that much psi per shot either.
Don't know yet but thinking I'm going to have to back off the HS adj a little.
I didn't do a clearing shot after pressurizing the rifle which Liberties are know to have the pressure creep in the reg be 400 -500 psi higher than the set point.
You're right I shouldn't have to do a clearing shot but that's the nature of this regulator. When you fill the rifle the regulated pressure rises 400 to 500 psi. Heck, just letting it sit for a half of an hour and the regulated pressure will raise. Billy Rohm found that out when he was developing a larger plenum. https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=156494.40 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=156494.40) reply #52.
Robert that wasn't an issue with many of the people that bought the non warranty guns. ATI simply won't sell parts for these from what I understand.You are correct, Wayne
This looks to be the official Nova Liberty Thread.
So after a few years what are experiences, agreements on a few things like.
What are the problem spots, any way to pre protect from wear, damage?
Poppet: Replace with Delrin or Peek. Spare parts are not available outside of buying a non-warrantee customer return.
What is the best way to get more power from the gun, any issues/damage popping up from drilling out barrel, upping reg, shimming hammer spring? I would rather just disassemble the rifle once or twice to up the power instead of doing it over and over again, experimenting and possibly damaging things. I think I will just wait until after warranty.
Enlarge barrel port, shim hammer spring, increase reg pressure.
What about cleaning the barrel, best method, best product, any issues down the line.
No O-ring in barrel to worry about. Everyone has their own favorite chemicals and method. I use a pull through cleaner/snake.
Any mods definitely recommended for improved reliability/durability/performance, any that are having issues. Tips for working on the gun.
See video.
Any pellets or slugs that really stand out for the majority of these guns, is there a magic velocity we should shoot for with certain pellets/slugs.
Many have good luck with JSB 15.89/18.1g and H&N Barracuda Match 21g, somewhere in the 800's, but low 900's can work. AVS slugs were design, and tested with Libertys, obtimum in lower 900's.
Any Rings/Scope combo's that do really well, best bang for your buck.
Another personnel preference. Pick based on what you will specifically be doing with gun and range.
What backstops are people using to try to stop pellets from penetrating, lots of scrap wood being throw out for the past few weeks but I have been finding it is still putting pellets though most wood/fiber board, even close to a inch thick. I did screw 3 pieces of wood together for a backstop that stopped pellets from going through, was thinking of some kind of cheap metal plate that could be bought at Lowes or Home Depot to stop pellets.
Wood will eventually get destroyed. Many here use the rubber mulch or a putty that name escapes me for the moment. I use an old wood stove in the basement and embankment outside.
This looks to be the official Nova Liberty Thread.
So after a few years what are experiences, agreements on a few things like.
What are the problem spots, any way to pre protect from wear, damage?
Poppet: Replace with Delrin or Peek. Spare parts are not available outside of buying a non-warrantee customer return.
What is the best way to get more power from the gun, any issues/damage popping up from drilling out barrel, upping reg, shimming hammer spring? I would rather just disassemble the rifle once or twice to up the power instead of doing it over and over again, experimenting and possibly damaging things. I think I will just wait until after warranty.
Enlarge barrel port, shim hammer spring, increase reg pressure.
What about cleaning the barrel, best method, best product, any issues down the line.
No O-ring in barrel to worry about. Everyone has their own favorite chemicals and method. I use a pull through cleaner/snake.
Any mods definitely recommended for improved reliability/durability/performance, any that are having issues. Tips for working on the gun.
See video.
Any pellets or slugs that really stand out for the majority of these guns, is there a magic velocity we should shoot for with certain pellets/slugs.
Many have good luck with JSB 15.89/18.1g and H&N Barracuda Match 21g, somewhere in the 800's, but low 900's can work. AVS slugs were design, and tested with Libertys, obtimum in lower 900's.
Any Rings/Scope combo's that do really well, best bang for your buck.
Another personnel preference. Pick based on what you will specifically be doing with gun and range.
What backstops are people using to try to stop pellets from penetrating, lots of scrap wood being throw out for the past few weeks but I have been finding it is still putting pellets though most wood/fiber board, even close to a inch thick. I did screw 3 pieces of wood together for a backstop that stopped pellets from going through, was thinking of some kind of cheap metal plate that could be bought at Lowes or Home Depot to stop pellets.
Wood will eventually get destroyed. Many here use the rubber mulch or a putty that name escapes me for the moment. I use an old wood stove in the basement and embankment outside.
See some quick answers above:
While this thread has a wealth of info, its large size makes it impossible to easily find it. Consider starting new threads on specific questions.
Capt O-ring has the kit for all the O-rings in the Liberty.
Duy (Dark_Chrisma), a member here, makes the peek poppets and also performance valves.
Yes, grease/oil the fill probe O-rings, mainly to minimize wear from inserting. Silicone oil or grease is no problem inside the gun.
Do the same for the probe O-rings. Only do the internal O-rings when you take it apart and expose or replace those.
Problem is, I usually don't have anything to say! ;D
Problem is, I usually don't have anything to say! ;D
Is it 10 posts? I thought it was 20. 10 is better.Problem is, I usually don't have anything to say! ;D
There hasn't been allot of info on the barrels posted. Look forward to seeing your pictures once you get to ten posts.
Is it 10 posts? I thought it was 20. 10 is better.Problem is, I usually don't have anything to say! ;D
There hasn't been allot of info on the barrels posted. Look forward to seeing your pictures once you get to ten posts.
i am so lucky i havent had barrel problems.I've had good luck with the Crosman domed 14.3's but the hollow points never flew well out of my Gauntlet. I haven't tried them in my Liberty.
one of the liberty barrel which i used for my Freedom bottle conversion actually killed several birds at 75 yards with 14.3 cphp @950fps. havent tried birds at 100 yards yet. crosman premiers shooting soo good i dont think i am buying any other pellets anytime soon.
gun is 615 grams lighter.
Wow you are holding your addiction back in those 2 years...only 3? i have more than i would likeI only had the Gauntlet .22 until I bought the Liberty, and I only bought it because I basically wore out the cocking mechanism on the Gauntlet. I have since fixed the Gauntlet though.
Back to Fuzzy's question. What bore scope did you use. Seems i recall a cheap endoscope someone had that plugged into your cellphone. I have one, but not small enough to fit down the bore. Id like to find one.Oh sorry, I saw that earlier. It's a "Teslong Rifle Borescope, 0.2 Inch Gun Barrel Bore Scope Camera, Side-View Mirror, 36 Inch Semi-Rigid Cable, Works with Windows, Mac and Android Smart Phones."
Back to Fuzzy's question. What bore scope did you use. Seems i recall a cheap endoscope someone had that plugged into your cellphone. I have one, but not small enough to fit down the bore. Id like to find one.Oh sorry, I saw that earlier. It's a "Teslong Rifle Borescope, 0.2 Inch Gun Barrel Bore Scope Camera, Side-View Mirror, 36 Inch Semi-Rigid Cable, Works with Windows, Mac and Android Smart Phones."
It was 50 dollars on... That Jungle website. Can I mention the website's name? I gotta read the rules again...
Rod I've got a nice cell phone but rarely use it, I like using it with speaker phone. I mainly have it with me when I'm out doing something, I had it in the woods today and looked at the weather cause it still seemed a little nippy yet, it was 29 dgrees.
Back to Fuzzy's question. What bore scope did you use. Seems i recall a cheap endoscope someone had that plugged into your cellphone. I have one, but not small enough to fit down the bore. Id like to find one.Oh sorry, I saw that earlier. It's a "Teslong Rifle Borescope, 0.2 Inch Gun Barrel Bore Scope Camera, Side-View Mirror, 36 Inch Semi-Rigid Cable, Works with Windows, Mac and Android Smart Phones."
It was 50 dollars on... That Jungle website. Can I mention the website's name? I gotta read the rules again...
Yep, that's it Fuzzy. The head on it is .195" (on mine anyway), so good down to a 20 caliber possibly.
The DNR never says a thing about shooting red squirrels, chipmunks, ground hogs, possums because they're open year round. I should try hunting Coyote's there because they're a problem for the rabbit hunters and their beagles.Rod I've got a nice cell phone but rarely use it, I like using it with speaker phone. I mainly have it with me when I'm out doing something, I had it in the woods today and looked at the weather cause it still seemed a little nippy yet, it was 29 dgrees.
Nice job on the chipper Wayne! Dnr mess with you on state land after small game is closed? Id still like to swat some reds and chips.
They started here in Rochester,N.Y. When our governor came out with the Safe Act in 2013 a lot of gun companies left the state. I don't blame them.
That same shipment must have been a huge one, what I'm wondering is if the newer ones have had any changes on them, would be nice if the addressed the problems with the valve poppet. I remember seeing a new gun coming out that looks just like the Liberty recently, I think it might have been Air Venturi but I really don't recall exactly. Avenger pops to mind ???
If they didn't change the poppet material on the Avenger, not going to last long on the 25 cal with the reg set to 2900psi. Even the 22 and 177 are higher at 2600 and 2000psi. Per the manual on PA. That tells me that with the smaller air tube, they also made the plenum smaller. My understanding is, none of the distributors have been able to get parts from NV. Hopefully, AV can twist their arm enough.
As much as I hate the "Safe Act", had to register both of my 10/22's as assault rifles ::), I think that was just a smoke screen for a pure economic decision. Same for Remington for moving most of its operations out of NY. What's left in Ilion, will be gone at some point. :(
If they didn't change the poppet material on the Avenger, not going to last long on the 25 cal with the reg set to 2900psi. Even the 22 and 177 are higher at 2600 and 2000psi. Per the manual on PA. That tells me that with the smaller air tube, they also made the plenum smaller. My understanding is, none of the distributors have been able to get parts from NV. Hopefully, AV can twist their arm enough.
As much as I hate the "Safe Act", had to register both of my 10/22's as assault rifles ::), I think that was just a smoke screen for a pure economic decision. Same for Remington for moving most of its operations out of NY. What's left in Ilion, will be gone at some point. :(
Maybe that's changed already. Here's the video I mentioned in my previous post. Skip to the 10:30 mark of the video.
https://youtu.be/LySlPBySLTk
From the video, I like how the reg block is better secured to the receiver. The silver block looks like it was added afterwards. Reg is now vertical. Plenum looks to be in that block. Trigger block looks unchanged except for some minor changes in back. Like the adjustable HS which goes hand in hand with an externally adjustable reg. Liberty should have had that. I don't get those 5 large screws? for the barrel. Fasteners for top rail that comes off? Wish I understood Spanish.JOHN
From the video, I like how the reg block is better secured to the receiver. The silver block looks like it was added afterwards. Reg is now vertical. Plenum looks to be in that block. Trigger block looks unchanged except for some minor changes in back. Like the adjustable HS which goes hand in hand with an externally adjustable reg. Liberty should have had that. I don't get those 5 large screws? for the barrel. Fasteners for top rail that comes off? Wish I understood Spanish.JOHN
Open the video in You Tube
You can be in Pause or with video running
Do not go to full screen
On the bottom right SELECT CC Closed captions/subtitles)
Go to SETTINGS
You will see "Spanish (Auto Generated) >"
CLICK on the >
SELECT Auto translate
SCROLL DOWN & SELECT English
The translation is a bit rough but better than nothing
Hope this helps
Ed
Wayne= The specs on PA site say the Avenger has a 300 bar cylinder fill, the same as the liberty! I also have a Diana Outlaw. It has a huma reg set at 110 bar & i backed off the HS until i got it to 19ft lbs with a 14.3 crosman pellet. More then enough power for the tree rats on my bird feeders & i get around 130 shots. One of my favorites. I wouldn't mind shooting that good for being weebly wobbly.Those guns are worth every penny of that $499 price too, mine is a .22 and I did open the port on it as well as turn up the regulator and adjust the hammer spring. I shoot only slugs from it any more, it's like a laser.
air Venturi must be able to get parts as I ordered a new poppet for my Liberty from PA and it came today. It's actually for the Seneca Aspen but exactly the same. I realize that this poppet still has the softer material in it than delrin or peek but if it lasts me a year like my old one did that will be fine for the price. Installed it this afternoon and am pressure testing it now. I need to order a custom one from Duy but already had this one on order and didn't want to cancel the order. I just hope it holds air ok.Was that a special order from PA, tracker1955?
The part is not listed, I sent them an email and asked if they had the poppet and what it would cost, they had to check with their repair dept. got an email back that they had the part, it was just over $19 with shipping. Checked the rifle this morning and it's still holding air but have not fired it yet. The one I repaired with Delrin I got from a GTA member held air initially, but then leaked after firing. Try as I might I was never able to fully stop the leak but could shoot it normally as long as I was actively shooting.Thanks
Keep in mind that I asked for the poppet for an Aspen, not a Liberty. It came with a new valve spring and two orings that were for the Aspen.
Delrin will work but that stuff is soft and needs to be ultra fine polished. you should also check the sealing surface of the valve too. make sure it doesnt have nicks. most of them have some kind of nick and requires polishing too.I checked the raised rim on the valve face for nicks, used strong LED light and magnifying glasses. Also tested with a Q-tip.
usually firing will make the poppet seal after a while due the indention made from firing action. just like burnishing it.
i have found the best way to remedy the leaking poppets to be Polishing peek or delrin. and if you have access to a lathe. counter sink the valve and use peek...best sealing and long lasting solution.
There is also the bags of rubber mulch that work great and self heal, so to speak.Yeah, the rubber mulch in a 5 gallon bucket works well! Stops 60 fpe .25 pellets no problem.
There is also the bags of rubber mulch that work great and self heal, so to speak.Yeah, the rubber mulch in a 5 gallon bucket works well! Stops 60 fpe .25 pellets no problem.
Kerry, i have been killing birds at 75 yards with Freedom bottle conversion. i know i mentioned it before too, accuracy is good with crosman HP 14.3gn
Duy, How many shots you get out of the liberty at 60 fpe?
;D
Kerry, I have two part guns freedom. one has a sticking pump, not working. one is perfectly working. I am guessing the pump will go out sooner or later and no parts to replace but to fabricate if it's not orings, very time consuming to take down btw.
not to mention, after 10 shots and 40+pumps. I got bored, i can't imaging pumping during a hunt. I can't imaging lugging an 11+lbs gun around, I will not lug around for survival along with other gears...sorry, there is not a scenario that i can imagine with it. I can't imaging shooting underpowered pump guns. I have a 392 Benji for that.
I have gotten to 55fpe with my freedom bottle. and it's light and accurate. this will server me just right. I have no need for a heavy pump pcp.'
The liberty will get a bottle treatment soon. I have gotten it to 68 FPE for 2 equal shots with my new stainless valve and Billy's plenum. But it's best around 60fpe.
hey Kerry.
i dont have .177 so i dont know how it operates. but in .22 high power, it takes 3-4 pumps after each shot to stay consistent. so the 40 something pumps in between to get 10 shot string down the line, i am not a fan of that. i dont find joy in pumping alot to get less than dozen shots, some people may enjoy it. Even the Benji i have, i only shoot it 5-10 times and put it up.
and yes you can kill stuff with 12 or 20fpe. but that limits your range greatly with wind conditions. i dont play with that stuff. The minimum i will settle for is 45fpe and .22 cal up, ideally 60fpe. so 12 and 20 fpe is not considered powerful to me, it may be to you but you will have to dial or hold over at 75 yards or 100yards. your usual range may be closer? anything within 50yards becomes boring real quick to me.
also, try lugging that Freedom around for 30 minutes as if you are walking into your hunt spot with treestand, blind, backpack, sidearm. i have tried...never again.
I dont regret converting to bottle one bit. i have gotten to 55fpe on my freedom. the pump freedom will never reach that level.
not to discount lower fpe guns, the bottle freedom i am running is at 29fpe, the only gun i have at lower fpe because it is accurate at 75 yards shooting 14.3cphp at 950fps...i still have to hold 5 mills over at 100yards.
if you say you dont have money, you are denying yourself of how much commitment you have in this sport. ;) . ::) .
;D
Kerry, I have two part guns freedom. one has a sticking pump, not working. one is perfectly working. I am guessing the pump will go out sooner or later and no parts to replace but to fabricate if it's not orings, very time consuming to take down btw.
not to mention, after 10 shots and 40+pumps. I got bored, i can't imaging pumping during a hunt. I can't imaging lugging an 11+lbs gun around, I will not lug around for survival along with other gears...sorry, there is not a scenario that i can imagine with it. I can't imaging shooting underpowered pump guns. I have a 392 Benji for that.
I have gotten to 55fpe with my freedom bottle. and it's light and accurate. this will server me just right. I have no need for a heavy pump pcp.'
The liberty will get a bottle treatment soon. I have gotten it to 68 FPE for 2 equal shots with my new stainless valve and Billy's plenum. But it's best around 60fpe.
;D I already have one of the rarest ones, when I ordered a .177 Freedom, cause that was all that was left at Buds Gun Shop, they shipped me what I believe to be a sample model pre Liberty, with no big white lettering, stock has the ATI embossed in the black plastic, that's all. I guess we should start a serial number information list, so the collectors will not have to do tons of research LOL ;)Haven't you heard of the guy that has 7 Liberty & 9 Freedom;
This was my first Liberty. The holes were drilled to deep for the barrel set screws. Again, ATI made it right, hassle free. After finding this, thats when I bought the bore scope. Would have save me a BUNCH of time trying to sort out the rifles inaccuracy.
My bore scope paid for itself the first day. I looked at all my rifles and found one of my target barrels quietly rusting away in the safe.
I ordered the wifi version of the borescope, for iPhone and ipad. Looks like it would be a little easier to use, not being attached to the device. Wish they went down to 177, but didn't find anything reasonable.
This was my first Liberty. The holes were drilled to deep for the barrel set screws. Again, ATI made it right, hassle free. After finding this, thats when I bought the bore scope. Would have save me a BUNCH of time trying to sort out the rifles inaccuracy.
I ordered the wifi version of the borescope, for iPhone and ipad. Looks like it would be a little easier to use, not being attached to the device. Wish they went down to 177, but didn't find anything reasonable.
This was my first Liberty. The holes were drilled to deep for the barrel set screws. Again, ATI made it right, hassle free. After finding this, thats when I bought the bore scope. Would have save me a BUNCH of time trying to sort out the rifles inaccuracy.
I ordered the wifi version of the borescope, for iPhone and ipad. Looks like it would be a little easier to use, not being attached to the device. Wish they went down to 177, but didn't find anything reasonable.
John
Which one did you buy?
On Amazon?
Will it work with a windows lap top as well as the iPhone/iPad?
Ed
This was my first Liberty. The holes were drilled to deep for the barrel set screws. Again, ATI made it right, hassle free. After finding this, thats when I bought the bore scope. Would have save me a BUNCH of time trying to sort out the rifles inaccuracy.
I ordered the wifi version of the borescope, for iPhone and ipad. Looks like it would be a little easier to use, not being attached to the device. Wish they went down to 177, but didn't find anything reasonable.
John
Which one did you buy?
On Amazon?
Will it work with a windows lap top as well as the iPhone/iPad?
Ed
I ordered this one from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0813D65MD/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0813D65MD/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
It still hasn't shipped yet. :(
It is $25 more, but not attached to a USB, and works with iPhone.
The PC / Mac and Android version is cheaper but tied to a cable.
I certainly, and imagine others too, would like updates when you finally get your hands on it & get it running.
I'm most curious about the ability to clearly see the image details on a smart phone's small screen.
going to stir this thread up a little bit. with all the love for the Avenger, i decided to pour some love into my Liberties to.
Bottle conversion! Higher pressure! More power! More shots! ;D.
testing coming soon...
How is it higher pressure, the Liberty already fills to 4350 and I get about 80 shots per fill?going to stir this thread up a little bit. with all the love for the Avenger, i decided to pour some love into my Liberties to.
Bottle conversion! Higher pressure! More power! More shots! ;D.
testing coming soon...
Hello Folks,
So my build date is 03-2018. And my regulator adjustment looks a little different.
Anyone have a similar setup and managed to adjust successfully?
Also the hammer spring has a lot of tension, and takes a fair amount of pushing to put back after the pin is removed.
Sorry, I dont know what the spring details are.
Locally it is sold as the Nova Vista. So I assume a factory standard unit.
I'm gonna get some balloons later and do a leak test on the barrel and fill port. When I place the balloon over the barrel, is it necessary to remove the shroud?
Antwuan- Same thing happened to me when i got my second Liberty. Checked everything with CRC leak detector & did the balloon test-nothing. Then i sprayed the bleed screw and got a bubble. I tightened it & no more leak. Sometimes we tend to overlook the obvious when it's right in front of us!
FWIW Antwuan Maxx, the only thing wrong with a no warranty wood Liberty I bought awhile back was a leak around the bleed screw.
Heavy silicone grease cured it.
It now holds air without issue
IIRC correctly from reading the posts, others have found crud at the bottom of the hole or a poorly finished tip on the bleed screw to be the cause.
Hope this helps
Ed
Stephen & Duy have lead the way in maximizing the Liberty & Freedoms. When I drilled out my original power adjuster, it exploded the first time I shot it, sending the knob across the room. At that time Duy was not making parts for sale, but I contacted him anyway, and asked for some help. The gun was useless without that part & no way to replace it. He suggested hardened steel so it would have the strength to be safe. His work is first class and he's a great guy.
Stephen's videos give the average guy like me the knowledge & courage to dig into these guns and have some fun improving them. This is another awsome video highlighting some great power mods.
Steve has a new video on youtube showing the detailed installation of Duy's aftermarket parts for the Liberty.
How was her autonomy? How many shots did you get?
I had the same problem with mine. I bought captain O ring's O ring kit. It has every O ring for the Liberty.
I would like to know if someone has found a solution for the o-ring that is in the cylinder, which is with the ball, as it causes leakage. Is the solution just replacement?
In Brazil this oring is very difficult to find, and several new Liberty are giving problems in the oring that is close to the cylinder pressure gauge.
That O-ring is an oddball size: 2.2mm CS X 2.6mm ID
The Capt O-ring kit indicates it is included, but I have not replaced it to verify. It is NBR, not Poly, though.
PS: i couldn't tell where you cut the plastic stock. Could you point that out.
PSS: I have the plenum gauge on syn Liberty's, but not on the wood.
I had the same problem with mine. I bought captain O ring's O ring kit. It has every O ring for the Liberty.I would like to know if someone has found a solution for the o-ring that is in the cylinder, which is with the ball, as it causes leakage. Is the solution just replacement?
In Brazil this oring is very difficult to find, and several new Liberty are giving problems in the oring that is close to the cylinder pressure gauge.
Here is a link to the Captain O Ring kit for the Liberty
https://www.captainoring.com/store/c80/AmericanTacticalNova (https://www.captainoring.com/store/c80/AmericanTacticalNova)
Not sure what the postage to Brazil would be, however.
Ed
Ordered one of Duy's plenums last night. That will complete the Duy mods.
Do you have a link to his site?He doesn't have a web site. He's a member here. Just PM him and he'll get back to you.Ordered one of Duy's plenums last night. That will complete the Duy mods.
I'm partial to the liberty. I remember watching the video air velocity sport did on the avenger. Was not impressed at all. To much plastic IMHO and they never fixed the achilles heel poppet. Used the exact same one in both the liberty and avenger along with the freedom/aspen.
Do you have a link to his site?He doesn't have a web site. He's a member here. Just PM him and he'll get back to you.Ordered one of Duy's plenums last night. That will complete the Duy mods.
Recently got my Liberty in .177 back from Duy. He modified the valve and installed a peek poppet. I experienced leakage with one of his peek poppets prior to this and he believes it may have been due to a manufacturing defect that was preventing the valve from seating. It took a little while, but he figured it out and the gun has been holding air since. I highly recommend Duy's work.As Duy said,polish the hammer and make sure it slides back and forth when tipping the rifle up and down using gravity only. I ended up installing a single Oring that the hammer stops against in between the hammer face and the hammer side of the valve. I've had my hammer get real hard to move a few times and this seemed to fix the problem. I also use a dry molly lube to lube the hammer so it doesn't collect dust.
This gun is probably my favorite plinker right now considering the high shot count and it's ability to shoot inexpensive pellets well. I have the gun tuned to shoot Crosman Premier 7.9gr Hollow Points around 860 FPS. Wildly accurate with those cheap pellets, though there's the occasional flyer.
The only problem I have with the gun now is the cocking lever. About half way through the cocking cycle it becomes rough and difficult to compete the cycle. This creates potential double-feeding issues when I'm letting others shoot the gun, which is why I'm mostly using the single shot tray. I was able to smooth it out a little bit with a bit of silicone grease where there's metal on metal contact, but I know moly paste would be a better solution. Just don't know which to get since the Air Venturi version seems to be out of stock everywhere. Any suggestions would be appreciated...
It is 5cc, and I am indeed making that 15cc. Going to try pushing all orders out by Aprils end, yours is coming up...👍
I think you'll find that many of us have opened up our barrel port to at least the same diameter as the transfer port, some have replaced their transfer port with one made of good steel so they could drill it out larger as well, along with the barrel port. Unless you modify the stock valve so it can breathe better there will only be so much return on the rest. I also believe the hammer spring in mine has grown weaker over time, could account for some drop unless you re-shim or have an adjuster.
I put a bigger plenum on my Nova Liberty and my reg is set at 2000 psi and the speed it is at is 855 fps with JSB 15.89 grain. However when it was with the original plenum the speed was 880 fps with JSB 15.89 grain. Wasn't the larger Plenum supposed to have increased the Speed of Shot? I didn't make any other changes, I just added the larger plenum.It should've made a big difference. What size plenum did you install? Are you positive you didn't change any settings like HS preload or regulator? Did you just remove the action from the stock and unscrew the plenum and screw in the bigger one. If you removed the reg are you sure it's put back together right? If the reg didn't get screwed back into the drop block exactly the same you will change your reg pressure especially if you screwed it in tighter which would lower your reg pressure.
Looks like the end of the road for the Liberty. While ATI removed the Airguns section from the drop down menu on their home page months ago, you could still order a synthetic Liberty as recent as two weeks ago via search or accessing the old airgun page url. Well, that airgun page is no longer there and searches for anything Liberty or airgun related produce zero hits.
I guess they will be going up in value sooner than later LOL
LOL!!!!I guess they will be going up in value sooner than later LOL
Yes!
As parts guns
Also
Rumor has it that ATI sold all the remaining Liberty to Air Venturi
They are being secretly converted into Avengers in the basement of a pizza place
Does anybody remember if someone made a list of the orings in normal sizes for the liberty. I know I can buy a oring kit from capt Oring as I have 2 of them but want to order replacement Orings for the critical ones I've used.Robert
Looks to me like they they swapped and adapted the Aspen and the Avenger. My guess is it has the same barrel (excellent) make and they took the 2 level power wheel from the Aspen (Nova Liberty) a nice feature. I'm betting that the plastic stock comes from the same manufacturer as the Avenger's. The sling mounts are a nice feature Too.
Downside for me the manometer(air supply cylinder gage) positioned at the muzzle end and reverting to a fill probe. I think it likely that with the demand there will be a .25 cal gun coming in the future. With the accessible regulator and hammer spring adjustment all in all a very nice gun at an excellent price.
I bought 6 Nova Liberty air rifles inn the past 2-3 years.I recall you found a close out lot somewhere, and did what many of us AG addicts do :)
They are my favorite air rifle, :)
After 2+ years I am still on the first 2 Nova Liberty (.22 and .177) in use.
The .177 developed a small leak (after many regulator adjustments) but I fill it just before I shoot so it does not bother me so much.
To keep from having to read all 120 pages of this thread does anyone remember if the Orings are measured in the parts list od or I'd?They are backwards from the US/Euro standard of CS x ID
Thanks Ed. I knew that before but with my sometimes going strong today I just couldn't remember 😭.😁My pleasure, Robert.
I'm going to try. It was a fun rifle when it still worked.Thanks Ed. I knew that before but with my sometimes going strong today I just couldn't remember 😭.😁My pleasure, Robert.
Tell me, please!
Are you reviving the Aspen?
Have you found a solution to the check valve problem?
Ed
PS
We both get sometimes, sometimes.
Here are my notes on the Liberty O-rings. It referances the pages within the parts spreadsheet.Thanks