Any US importers carrying this gun?

[pat585]

Wayne= I bought 2 in 2018 & 2 in late 2019= Same date as yours.

[Wayne52]

That same shipment must have been a huge one, what I'm wondering is if the newer ones have had any changes on them, would be nice if the addressed the problems with the valve poppet.  I remember seeing a new gun coming out that looks just like the Liberty recently, I think it might have been Air Venturi but I really don't recall exactly.  Avenger pops to mind

[tracker1955]

I sent Air Venturi an email over a month ago asking if they had addressed the problem poppet on these rifles from the same manufacturer as the Liberty, nothing but crickets, no response at all, guess that may answer the question.

[pat585]

Wayne-I think Air Venturi is going to be the new distributor for Nova Vista which is good because then we should be able to get parts. The Avenger seems to have the same specs as the liberty but with adjustable HS and adj regulator.

Tracker= Don't waste your time e-mailing ATI. I never got a reply to my e-mails either but every time i've called they answer.

[Wayne52]

The thing  that I like about the Air Venturi version is they've got it in .25 also.  It kind of makes me wonder if ATI is going to continue selling their versions after they run out of what they have.  I'm also wondering about the Freedom also because basically those all had the same bad poppets in them as well.  ATI does deal in a lot of different stuff and after seeing what they've gone through with these guns I doubt they'll continue with them but you just never know for sure.

[Antwuan Maxx]

That same shipment must have been a huge one, what I'm wondering is if the newer ones have had any changes on them, would be nice if the addressed the problems with the valve poppet.  I remember seeing a new gun coming out that looks just like the Liberty recently, I think it might have been Air Venturi but I really don't recall exactly.  Avenger pops to mind

Yeah, that's it.  The same gun Air Venturi will be selling soon as the Avenger landed in Argentina a few weeks ago (Red Target R1-800 / Nova Vista Leviathan). 

This guy has quite a few videos on his page.  In this particular video, he gives a look at the gun with the stock removed. 





In another video, the guy actually had spare o-rings and manometers.  There's a few more channels with videos but they're all in Spanish.

[pat585]

Yea the .25 will sell like hot cakes for sure. We won't know if they changed the poppet material until we get them in our hands. I think Nova Vista being a new company was happy to hook up with ATI to get their guns in the american market. But to not supply ATI with any spare parts or training for repairing their guns never made any sense to me.

[FuzzyGrub]

If they didn't change the poppet material on the Avenger, not going to last long on the 25 cal with the reg set to 2900psi.  Even the 22 and 177 are higher at 2600 and 2000psi.  Per the manual on PA.  That tells me that with the smaller air tube, they also made the plenum smaller.   My understanding is, none of the distributors have been able to get parts from NV.   Hopefully, AV can twist their arm enough. 

As much as I hate the "Safe Act", had to register both of my 10/22's as assault rifles  , I think that was just a smoke screen for a pure economic decision.  Same for Remington for moving most of its operations out of NY.   What's left in Ilion, will be gone at some point.   

[Antwuan Maxx]

If they didn't change the poppet material on the Avenger, not going to last long on the 25 cal with the reg set to 2900psi.  Even the 22 and 177 are higher at 2600 and 2000psi.  Per the manual on PA.  That tells me that with the smaller air tube, they also made the plenum smaller.   My understanding is, none of the distributors have been able to get parts from NV.   Hopefully, AV can twist their arm enough. 

As much as I hate the "Safe Act", had to register both of my 10/22's as assault rifles  , I think that was just a smoke screen for a pure economic decision.  Same for Remington for moving most of its operations out of NY.   What's left in Ilion, will be gone at some point. 

Maybe that's changed already.   Here's the video I mentioned in my previous post.   Skip to the 10:30 mark of the video.

[pat585]

I should have stayed awake in spanish class! To have all those rifles & spare parts he must be testing guns for the factory?

[FuzzyGrub]

From the video, I like how the reg block is better secured to the receiver.  The silver block looks like it was added afterwards.  Reg is now vertical.  Plenum looks to be in that block.  Trigger block looks unchanged except for some minor changes in back.  Like the adjustable HS which goes hand in hand with an externally adjustable reg.  Liberty should have had that.   I don't get those 5 large screws? for the barrel.  Fasteners for top rail that comes off?   Wish I understood Spanish. 

[FuzzyGrub]

If they didn't change the poppet material on the Avenger, not going to last long on the 25 cal with the reg set to 2900psi.  Even the 22 and 177 are higher at 2600 and 2000psi.  Per the manual on PA.  That tells me that with the smaller air tube, they also made the plenum smaller.   My understanding is, none of the distributors have been able to get parts from NV.   Hopefully, AV can twist their arm enough. 

As much as I hate the "Safe Act", had to register both of my 10/22's as assault rifles  , I think that was just a smoke screen for a pure economic decision.  Same for Remington for moving most of its operations out of NY.   What's left in Ilion, will be gone at some point. 

Maybe that's changed already.   Here's the video I mentioned in my previous post.   Skip to the 10:30 mark of the video.

A box of spare parts is a good sign.  I want that silver plenum, which is obviously larger than the stock Liberty.

Per Waynes question, I did see newer dates on those Libertys. 01/2019 and 12/2019

[SILENT SQUIRREL]

From the video, I like how the reg block is better secured to the receiver.  The silver block looks like it was added afterwards.  Reg is now vertical.  Plenum looks to be in that block.  Trigger block looks unchanged except for some minor changes in back.  Like the adjustable HS which goes hand in hand with an externally adjustable reg.  Liberty should have had that.   I don't get those 5 large screws? for the barrel.  Fasteners for top rail that comes off?   Wish I understood Spanish.

JOHN
Open the video in You Tube
You can be in Pause or with video running
Do not go to full screen

On the bottom right SELECT CC Closed captions/subtitles)
Go to SETTINGS
You will see  "Spanish (Auto Generated) >"
CLICK on  the >
SELECT  Auto translate
SCROLL DOWN & SELECT English

The translation is a bit rough but better than nothing

Hope this helps

Ed

[FuzzyGrub]

From the video, I like how the reg block is better secured to the receiver.  The silver block looks like it was added afterwards.  Reg is now vertical.  Plenum looks to be in that block.  Trigger block looks unchanged except for some minor changes in back.  Like the adjustable HS which goes hand in hand with an externally adjustable reg.  Liberty should have had that.   I don't get those 5 large screws? for the barrel.  Fasteners for top rail that comes off?   Wish I understood Spanish.

JOHN
Open the video in You Tube
You can be in Pause or with video running
Do not go to full screen

On the bottom right SELECT CC Closed captions/subtitles)
Go to SETTINGS
You will see  "Spanish (Auto Generated) >"
CLICK on  the >
SELECT  Auto translate
SCROLL DOWN & SELECT English

The translation is a bit rough but better than nothing

Hope this helps

Ed

Thanks, I didn't know that trick.  As you said, a bit rough on the translation, but it is helpful. 

[pat585]

I like that they went to the forster fitting instead of the fill probe. Although the stainless one that comes with the Liberty is top notch. It will still be 2 less o'rings to worry about & 0ne less thing to misplace.

[Wayne52]

Pat I ended up buying a BSA fill probe for my Liberty, works great too

I also did a 3 shot group at 47 yards this morning with my Liberty, weebly wobbly sitting on a log

[FuzzyGrub]

I like the foster fitting with screw on dust cap, over having a probe.  I like the plenum and air tank gauges, and adjustable hammer preload.

I'm not liking the smaller air cyl and looks to be smaller plenum.  That removable scope rail, seems like it will be problematic, but no experience with that type. 

If ATI does end up carrying them, and sells the returns, might get one.  Otherwise, have too many Libertys as it is. 

[Wayne52]

John I was thinking the same thing about the air tube, I'm glad the Liberty's have a big air tube, I don't think those guns are all that heavy, it's just a tad heavier (scoped) than my Airmax Dominator which is my lightest hunting favorite, I've been neglecting that gun too much, I need to get it out again and put some more slugs through it.  Slugs just flat out rock!

[pat585]

Wayne= The specs on PA site say the Avenger has a 300 bar cylinder fill, the same as the liberty! I also have a Diana Outlaw. It has a huma reg set at 110 bar & i backed off the HS until i got it to 19ft lbs with a 14.3 crosman pellet. More then enough power for the tree rats on my bird feeders & i get around 130 shots. One of my favorites. I wouldn't mind shooting that good for being  weebly wobbly.

[Wayne52]

Wayne= The specs on PA site say the Avenger has a 300 bar cylinder fill, the same as the liberty! I also have a Diana Outlaw. It has a huma reg set at 110 bar & i backed off the HS until i got it to 19ft lbs with a 14.3 crosman pellet. More then enough power for the tree rats on my bird feeders & i get around 130 shots. One of my favorites. I wouldn't mind shooting that good for being  weebly wobbly.

Those guns are worth every penny of that $499 price too, mine is a .22 and I did open the port on it as well as turn up the regulator and adjust the hammer spring.  I shoot only slugs from it any more, it's like a laser.