Any US importers carrying this gun?

[Fwawa20]

Stephen- It sounds like your gun is shooting pretty well out of the box. My gun had similar results to yours my first outing. I知 glad it likes the Nielsen specialty ammo. Do the barracuda fit tight in the bore? The reason I知 asking is the baracuda hunters I had were really tight in the bore. The gun loves them and would stack pellets at 30yds with them.

[AVS Stephen]

Stephen- It sounds like your gun is shooting pretty well out of the box. My gun had similar results to yours my first outing. I知 glad it likes the Nielsen specialty ammo. Do the barracuda fit tight in the bore? The reason I知 asking is the baracuda hunters I had were really tight in the bore. The gun loves them and would stack pellets at 30yds with them.

Frankie, yes the barracuda 5.53 were very tight and the 5.52 also felt tight but I can't say for sure if I felt the difference between the two. The 18grain JSB Heavies didn't shoot so we'll. I think they are going too fast at 980-1010 fps.

[AVS Stephen]

Stephan, Thanks for  info.

I am really interested in grouping JSB Monster REDESIGNED at  50+ yd. Probably they will need a little bit more power 960FPS so the inspection/enlarging  of transfer ports  can help too .

 Peter, I'm sorry to say that I did not have a good time with the JSB Monster REDESIGNED. at 50 yards it was ok but at 75 yards all *(&^ broke loose. The group opened up too much to talk about. I have it on video. I will post the video ASAP. I just have to tear down the gun and edit the video so you can see for your self

[Fwawa20]

Stephen- It sounds like your gun is shooting pretty well out of the box. My gun had similar results to yours my first outing. I知 glad it likes the Nielsen specialty ammo. Do the barracuda fit tight in the bore? The reason I知 asking is the baracuda hunters I had were really tight in the bore. The gun loves them and would stack pellets at 30yds with them.

Frankie, yes the barracuda 5.53 were very tight and the 5.52 also felt tight but I can't say for sure if I felt the difference between the two. The 18grain JSB Heavies didn't shoot so we'll. I think they are going too fast at 980-1010 fps.

We might be on to something. I知 going to have to make a pellet purchase here soon and I think it値l be for larger head diameters. Deer season ends Saturday here. So small game really starts for me.

[Rohmpm]

Just a thought , maybe the barrel bands are pulling the shroud and barrel down when tightening.. Possible bedding the pillars might help..

completed my aluminum shroud mounts and  barrel/shroud ported spacers. Almost press fit with additional grub screws, shroud barrel is now very rigid. Combined with spring loaded  baffles it is quiet. Way, way quieter than a Red Rider, by far the quietest airgun I have ever heard.
I bored a piece of half inch plate for a new barrel support. The difference in the original barrel bracket and accurate +- .0005 true centers is obvious. Gone will be the exaggerated elevation adjustment.

I have a db meter, I'll sett up a Flash, Urban and bb gun for direct comparative reading under identical conditions.

[skorec]

Stephan, Thanks for  info.

I am really interested in grouping JSB Monster REDESIGNED at  50+ yd. Probably they will need a little bit more power 960FPS so the inspection/enlarging  of transfer ports  can help too .

 Peter, I'm sorry to say that I did not have a good time with the JSB Monster REDESIGNED. at 50 yards it was ok but at 75 yards all *(&^ broke loose. The group opened up too much to talk about. I have it on video. I will post the video ASAP. I just have to tear down the gun and edit the video so you can see for your self

Stefen,
All my barrels ( LW CH, LW Poly NCH, Weihrauch CH ) are  shooting Monster REDESIGNED OK ( inside 2*MOA whit some (20%)  flyers but only up to 4MOA ) up to 77 yd but I really not test them behind 77yd.  Did you taste them up 950+ FPS ?

Notice:
Old style design .177 Monsters start spiraling at 40+ and at 77yd shot 15MOA.

[TheSaint]

For those of you running out of elevation, try moving the barrel band to the front of the shroud/air tube. And by the front, I mean so the front of the band is flush with rear  of the fill port cover. I had the same issue with running out of elevation out of the box. Then figured out that the closer you move the barrel band to the front of the rifle, the higher it shifts the shroud. This worked with both rifles I own.

[pat585]

Mike= Nice fix. Both of my guns are already shimmed but it's good to know. I was working on the trigger on my .177 wood stock & got it under 1lb. When i put the trigger guard back on the rifle it would not catch the sear. I backed the front screw(wood screw) out a little & works fine. A few little bugs to be worked out in these guns.

[TheSaint]

Pat.
Same thing with my rifles. The issue everyone is running into with the trigger guard screws messing with the trigger function is really similar to what happens when you over tighten the  trigger guard screws (especially the rear) on Diana (and the Chinese clones) springers. The rear screw interfears with the sear function. Tighten it too much and you can't get the rifle to cock. The relationship between trigger guard screw tightness and the function of the trigger components is totally interrelated.

I really need to figure out how to make a video of the take down and reassembly process for this rifle ( I'm a really good motorcycle mechanic. 40 years + worth of good) but I get too frustrated too quickly when it comes to internet related things. What I figured out is that the rigidity of the entire action and regulator/air tube block is 100% dependant on having at least 1000psi of air in the rifle. This needs to be done at the mid point of reassembling the rifle, and from what I've gleaned, the rifle can only be reassembled one way or you risk blowing out the regulator/air tube block to regulator small end O-ring. That will get your attention real quick when it let's go at 3000psi  . Without air in it, the entire action is, for lack of a better word, "floppy". If anybody out there is familiar with motorcycles, the compressed air turns the entire action into what is called a Stressed Member ( get your heads out of the gutter, guys. It's an actual engineering term  )

[pat585]

A stressed member engine is a vehicle engine used as an active structural element of the chassis to transmit forces and torques, rather than being passively contained by the chassis with anti-vibration mounts. Automotive engineers use the method for weight reduction and mass centralization in vehicles.= I believe you!!

[Rohmpm]

Finished the barrel bracket. Fits like a glove, no detectable deflection. Barrel is aligned correctly with receiver/dovetail. It will be interesting how much the point of impact will change without the barrel deflected down.

[smythsg]

Ray, thank you again for the heads up about the baffles. I finally got some quality time with my airguns today and installed the baffles in the Liberty. It was raining buckets all day, but I did shoot a few off the porch after the baffles were installed and hear nothing but the mechanical noises from the rifle. I was so pleased that I checked the shroud I have on my .25 Airforce Condor (Bullseye Bill shroud which has no baffles) and the baffle you recommended fits inside this shroud perfectly as well. (with some minor cuts to the length and end cap) Again, I was only able to shoot a couple off the porch, but even at 60+ ft lbs, there is a significant reduction in perceived sound with the baffles installed.

Next week the travel returns, but I am done for the year after that. I still need to shim the hammer spring on the Liberty, then will do some chrony work with several different pellets.

[superchikn]

Steve,

You are very welcome on the baffles heads up.  Glad I could help.

Guys,

This is my first PCP and i have really only been airgunning for a year now.

  I see many here seem to be shooting one hole groups pretty much out of the box and some are saying their Liberties are not very pellet picky.

I have a wide array of pellets from CPDs through AA, H&N, JSB and several others in weights from 13.4 JSB to 25 JSB redesigned monsters etc.

I regularly shoot at 30 yds and NOTHING has been grouping tighter than an inch or 1 1/2".  I cleaned the barrel the other night with googone although not as thoroughly as I could as i had not yet removed the barrel.

Out shooting today and more of the same.  BTW Hi power setting seems to be better than lo so far.
At any rate I thought I would try JSB 13.4s since they don't shoot for $&*% out of anything else I have.  Well there is a group.  Nearly all through the same hole with a flyer.  Sounded like they were going nearly supersonic.  Tried JSB 14.whatever which dont shoot out of anything else I have.  Dimes or better again.  Still sounding like they are shooting hot (loud).  Figured i would try the AA 16s and now they are going through pretty much the same hole.  I will shoot more tomorrow and go back to the heavier pellets and see how they do.

Did my gun just suddenly settle down?  Did it just become seasoned?  Did I just shoot the last of the gunk out of the barrel?

I think it is more likely that the very light pellets 13 and 14 gr. grouping versus heavier pellets (the same ones which are working for everyone else)  are indicating something about the output of my gun, but I do not know what it would be.  Need more HS preload??   I do not have a Chrono.

What do you guys think?

Thanks   

[skorec]

Finished the barrel bracket. Fits like a glove, no detectable deflection. Barrel is aligned correctly with receiver/dovetail. It will be interesting how much the point of impact will change without the barrel deflected down.

Interesting.
I have to change all my PCPs to free floating barrel to reach best accuracy and you are doing certain opposite.

My problem was that POI was changing in according air pressure at air tube.

Therefore  I deallocated all bands  from  barrel  to act only as bumper whit some gap between the barrel and band.  At some gun I only have to fixed  barrel itself into the breech more stiffen.

Did you make inspection how is the barrel fixed into the breech ?
There is no too big gap between the barrel and breech ?
How thick and long is the barrel ?   

[Rohmpm]

Finished the barrel bracket. Fits like a glove, no detectable deflection. Barrel is aligned correctly with receiver/dovetail. It will be interesting how much the point of impact will change without the barrel deflected down.

Interesting.
I have to change all my PCPs to free floating barrel to reach best accuracy and you are doing certain opposite.

My problem was that POI was changing in according air pressure at air tube.

Therefore  I deallocated all bands  from  barrel  to act only as bumper whit some gap between the barrel and band.  At some gun I only have to fixed  barrel itself into the breech more stiffen.

Did you make inspection how is the barrel fixed into the breech ?
There is no too big gap between the barrel and breech ?
How thick and long is the barrel ?
[/quote Removing the bracket will full float the barrel at a sustantial change in rigidity. Next week will tell as removing the barrel band is very simple and quick. It is my intent to check both ways. as it was, the barrel was having to bend down .070 inch.

[skorec]

OK let us know grouping at 50+ yd by changing the pressure from 300bar to 130 bar.
Thank before

[Rohmpm]

OK let us know grouping at 50+ yd by changing the pressure from 300bar to 130 bar.
Thank before

If I find that the point of impact is changing because the gun is moving around, I'll bore the band for clearance around the shroud while still clamping on the airtube.  The barrel is secured by three grub screws, pretty secure. Do not have my notes handy, but it's a relatively flexible, skinny barrel, around 11mm.

[skorec]

OK let us know grouping at 50+ yd by changing the pressure from 300bar to 130 bar.
Thank before

If I find that the point of impact is changing because the gun is moving around, I'll bore the band for clearance around the shroud while still clamping on the airtube.  The barrel is secured by three grub screws, pretty secure. Do not have my notes handy, but it's a relatively flexible, skinny barrel, around 11mm.

You may stiffen  the barrel itsel whit CF tubes/sleves bunch (ID11-OD22 mm).

[Rohmpm]

OK let us know grouping at 50+ yd by changing the pressure from 300bar to 130 bar.
Thank before

If I find that the point of impact is changing because the gun is moving around, I'll bore the band for clearance around the shroud while still clamping on the airtube.  The barrel is secured by three grub screws, pretty secure. Do not have my notes handy, but it's a relatively flexible, skinny barrel, around 11mm.

With the aluminum shroud mount actually based against the receiver and another internal sleeve about six inches in from the muzzle, both a push fit in the shroud, secured with button head Allen screws, the barrel/shroud assembly is essentially one piece and pretty rigid.

You may stiffen  the barrel itsel whit CF tubes/sleves bunch (ID11-OD22 mm).

[Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58)]

Anyone having issues with pellets double feeding?  I was testing several different pellets over the chrony today and was having a lot of jams due to pellets being double fed into the barrel.  I have no idea how it was happening, but I ended up just putting the single shot tray in it to finish my testing.  It seemed to occur more frequently with the AA Diablo Field pellets and the H&N FTT's.  The others seemed to feed fine.