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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Nomadic Pirate on July 03, 2021, 01:34:27 PM
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Reviews for the most part are great,
price is Phenomenal,
styling of the guns is very nice,
great variety,
many model are very modular,
Powerhouses.
If I was to start a stable now AEA would most likely get the nod,....actually I think it certainly would ;D ;D
I remember when the first catalog came out years ago there was a little Carbine stainless steel with a grey laminated stock and I believe it was called the Nomad,
I've never seen any review of it, is it still in the AEA line up ?
Is there a catalog with all the production guns floating around somewhere ?
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The main issue has been build quality. As late as last year, there were all sorts of reports of flimsy adjusters, loose connections that couldn't be tightened, etc. Sort of the worst-case scenario with a Chinese mfg.
However, some recent buyers report significant improvements, such as the riveted connections now replaced with threaded screws, etc.
But I'm still not ready to dive in, even though I also REALLY like the overall designs, and of course the power is excellent. The HP bullpup is the one I'd love to have if the quality turns out to be fine. I would remove the spring, disabling the semi-auto function, since we can't hunt with semi-auto's in NY State. Luckily, that design makes this easy to do.
Another issue is accuracy, esp with slugs. They may be fine, but I have yet to see any careful tests.
And some users say the trigger is average at best.
And they don't appear to be regulated (I could be wrong) So is there an aftermarket reg available? I'm considering turning the HP bullpup into a bottle gun, so I could put a Ninja reg on the outside, but that's a lot of $$ in the end, so again maybe better choices out there.
And finally: One big attraction for me with the HP is it's 24" barrel in such a short gun. They accomplish this partly by having the trigger a good length away from the butt, (which I like, personally) but one has to wonder how much shroud-baffle is in there, and how well it works. That shroud also doesn't have much diameter at the end, so..... If the gun NEEDS an added moderator for backyard shooting, then I think there better other options out there for just a little more money.
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Let's see some more reports from recent buyers before getting too carried away ....
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They are definitely addressing the design issues but they still have some build quality issues. (Based on my experience with a hp varmint in .22)
Build quality is not a real big deal to me because I can fix most issues. Lots of folks, understandably, want a working perfect gun from the get go.
Dave
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The main issue has been build quality. As late as last year, there were all sorts of reports of flimsy adjusters, loose connections that couldn't be tightened, etc. Sort of the worst-case scenario with a Chinese mfg.
However, some recent buyers report significant improvements, such as the riveted connections now replaced with threaded screws, etc.
But I'm still not ready to dive in, even though I also REALLY like the overall designs, and of course the power is excellent. The HP bullpup is the one I'd love to have if the quality turns out to be fine. I would remove the spring, disabling the semi-auto function, since we can't hunt with semi-auto's in NY State. Luckily, that design makes this easy to do.
Another issue is accuracy, esp with slugs. They may be fine, but I have yet to see any careful tests.
And some users say the trigger is average at best.
And they don't appear to be regulated (I could be wrong) So is there an aftermarket reg available? I'm considering turning the HP bullpup into a bottle gun, so I could put a Ninja reg on the outside, but that's a lot of $$ in the end, so again maybe better choices out there.
And finally: One big attraction for me with the HP is it's 24" barrel in such a short gun. They accomplish this partly by having the trigger a good length away from the butt, (which I like, personally) but one has to wonder how much shroud-baffle is in there, and how well it works. That shroud also doesn't have much diameter at the end, so..... If the gun NEEDS an added moderator for backyard shooting, then I think there better other options out there for just a little more money.
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Let's see some more reports from recent buyers before getting too carried away ....
My friend,....not to be rude but only a couple months ago you couldn't even operate a PCP properly :) :)
...sorry if I can't take your post seriously, experience in watching You tube is not a big thing for me ;)
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Too funny. They do seem to be doing a great job with their newer line up. I really liked the looks of that nomad too Manny. Sweet looking gun. They also had a pistol called the wasp that was supposed to produce 30fpe in 22 caliber. I haven't seen either one lately though.
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This is a gun that will not end up being a safe queen, it is going afield and is going to get bumps n bruises, and at the price point if I ran it over there would be no hesitation to get another.
Where else is one to find a big bore for a P-Rod price ???
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Too funny. They do seem to be doing a great job with their newer line up. I really liked the looks of that nomad too Manny. Sweet looking gun. They also had a pistol called the wasp that was supposed to produce 30fpe in 22 caliber. I haven't seen either one lately though.
I'm kind of Looking at that .30 Semi-Auto pistol,.....that would be something I'm interested in.
Does anybody know if this dealer is legit ? ...never heard of it.
https://www.aresairgunstactical.com/AEA-HP-SS-30-Cal-_p_1502.html (https://www.aresairgunstactical.com/AEA-HP-SS-30-Cal-_p_1502.html)
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These are the 2 best places to buy.
https://www.aeaairgun.net/ (https://www.aeaairgun.net/)
https://www.aeaairgun.us.com/ (https://www.aeaairgun.us.com/)
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James I think the best guy to deal with is Bin, he answers his phone and talks to you regarding whatever it is that you need, he's probably the best to order from too.
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My friend,....not to be rude but only a couple months ago you couldn't even operate a PCP properly :) :)
Not to be rude, but you gave arrogant responses to a thread about double-feeding, without having a clue what the problems are with some low-cost rifles.
Improper operation was never an issue, no matter how highly you regard your massive experience.
Say, what are you doing posting here? Shouldn't you be off somewhere, admiring yourself in a mirror?
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I bought a .30 Challenger.
I will say it shoots pretty danged good! With time and some fiddling maybe as good as my Wil Tuned Evanix .30
Mine has sat for over 2 weeks while I was out West and is holding air.
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I'm intrigued by the AEA Element with the regulated 300cc air tube. The light weight really interests me.
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The main issue has been build quality. As late as last year, there were all sorts of reports of flimsy adjusters, loose connections that couldn't be tightened, etc. Sort of the worst-case scenario with a Chinese mfg.
However, some recent buyers report significant improvements, such as the riveted connections now replaced with threaded screws, etc.
But I'm still not ready to dive in, even though I also REALLY like the overall designs, and of course the power is excellent. The HP bullpup is the one I'd love to have if the quality turns out to be fine. I would remove the spring, disabling the semi-auto function, since we can't hunt with semi-auto's in NY State. Luckily, that design makes this easy to do.
Another issue is accuracy, esp with slugs. They may be fine, but I have yet to see any careful tests.
And some users say the trigger is average at best.
And they don't appear to be regulated (I could be wrong) So is there an aftermarket reg available? I'm considering turning the HP bullpup into a bottle gun, so I could put a Ninja reg on the outside, but that's a lot of $$ in the end, so again maybe better choices out there.
And finally: One big attraction for me with the HP is it's 24" barrel in such a short gun. They accomplish this partly by having the trigger a good length away from the butt, (which I like, personally) but one has to wonder how much shroud-baffle is in there, and how well it works. That shroud also doesn't have much diameter at the end, so..... If the gun NEEDS an added moderator for backyard shooting, then I think there better other options out there for just a little more money.
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Let's see some more reports from recent buyers before getting too carried away ....
We can't hunt with semi autos here? I've never heard this. Is this air rifles only? As long as it's .177 or .22 caliber or can be modified to hold six shots or less you're good. From NYSDECs website
It is illegal to take or hunt wildlife:
with any semi-automatic firearm with a capacity to hold more than 6 rounds, EXCEPT the following semi-automatic firearms:
firearms using .22 or .17 caliber rimfire ammunition, or
firearms altered to reduce their capacity to no more than 6 shells at one time in the magazine and chamber combined, or
autoloading pistols with a barrel length of less than eight inches. Ah, except it's not rimfire ammo. It would have to hold 6 pellets.
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My friend,....not to be rude but only a couple months ago you couldn't even operate a PCP properly :) :)
Not to be rude, but you gave arrogant responses to a thread about double-feeding, without having a clue what the problems are with some low-cost rifles.
Improper operation was never an issue, no matter how highly you regard your massive experience.
Say, what are you doing posting here? Shouldn't you be off somewhere, admiring yourself in a mirror?
I have plenty clues how low cost rifles operate since I shot aplenty of them and several Hatsans,
Unfortunately you didn't have a clue of the basic operations of a PCP rifle regardless of the cost of a gun, and now all of a sudden you big time expert,......ahhh the beauty of watching You tube videos and suddenly giving advices like we know stuff :) :) LOL
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I bought a .30 Challenger.
I will say it shoots pretty danged good! With time and some fiddling maybe as good as my Wil Tuned Evanix .30
Mine has sat for over 2 weeks while I was out West and is holding air.
And here we have an opinion that needs to be taken in consideration,....Proven person that knows his stuff.
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Matt that's really odd that where you're at you can't hunt with a semi auto, I get right around 50fpe with my HP 25 Cal Carbine shooting 26 grain pellets with it.
(https://i.imgur.com/0LCyCVI.jpg)
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I'm intrigued by the AEA Element with the regulated 300cc air tube. The light weight really interests me.
I liked my varmint enough that I have an element waiting for me when I get home.
I’ll figure out any issues when in a couple weeks when I get home.
Dave
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I bought a .30 Challenger.
I will say it shoots pretty danged good! With time and some fiddling maybe as good as my Wil Tuned Evanix .30
Mine has sat for over 2 weeks while I was out West and is holding air.
And here we have an opinion that needs to be taken in consideration,....Proven person that knows his stuff.
I also had the chance to shoot Chris's .30 Challenger near Sioux City a few days ago.
75 yard shots were easy so I'd say a fine Gun for the price.
Had We had targets at 100 yards? I know We would have hit them.
I always feel shooting one example of any Gun is giving you a limited taste.
Shooting several gives you the over all picture.
If the AEA I want makes it to the USA? I'll buy it.
This AEA .30 is going to be traded off for a Evanix .357
Nothing major wrong with it and is a great Gun. I just trust the Evanix line after having several.
So my Evanix line is Max-Air .25 Semi Auto, .30 RainStorm , soon .357, and a .50 Sniper
You did get me started with the Evanix line.
:)
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IMO AEA is doing to the Big Bore market as did Nova-Vista, and SPA did to the small bore PCP market for sure!
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IMO AEA is doing to the Big Bore market as did Nova-Vista, and SPA did to the small bore PCP market for sure!
I'll agree to a point. DAR and several others showed promise then fell through.
AEA could be the next "thing" IF they deliver!
Don't promise me a .50 Semi-Auto if you can't deliver.
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I bought a .30 Challenger.
I will say it shoots pretty danged good! With time and some fiddling maybe as good as my Wil Tuned Evanix .30
Mine has sat for over 2 weeks while I was out West and is holding air.
And here we have an opinion that needs to be taken in consideration,....Proven person that knows his stuff.
I also had the chance to shoot Chris's .30 Challenger near Sioux City a few days ago.
75 yard shots were easy so I'd say a fine Gun for the price.
Had We had targets at 100 yards? I know We would have hit them.
I always feel shooting one example of any Gun is giving you a limited taste.
Shooting several gives you the over all picture.
If the AEA I want makes it to the USA? I'll buy it.
This AEA .30 is going to be traded off for a Evanix .357
Nothing major wrong with it and is a great Gun. I just trust the Evanix line after having several.
So my Evanix line is Max-Air .25 Semi Auto, .30 RainStorm , soon .357, and a .50 Sniper
You did get me started with the Evanix line.
:)
If that A.E.A. gun that you mentioned is the one with the power platform like Inovairtech I will be very interested also, very :)
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I would like to see them on the forum here. From what I am seeing, they really are trying to be successful. They could at least come on here for suggestions on improvements.
Or maybe they are here……..?
Dave
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I'm their Huckle Berry for this one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqr-GwPMIXs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqr-GwPMIXs)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=7964)
Don't even care if it's as under powered as the MACR was.
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This just in on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt_6eFxz2SY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt_6eFxz2SY)
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Is there a catalog with all the production guns floating around somewhere ?
I found this Googling the Nomad, seems to be the closest thing to a catalog. It does have the Nomad and Wasp listed, but not sure if or where you could purchase one.
http://www.aeaairgun.com/Guns (http://www.aeaairgun.com/Guns)
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The main issue has been build quality. As late as last year, there were all sorts of reports of flimsy adjusters, loose connections that couldn't be tightened, etc. Sort of the worst-case scenario with a Chinese mfg.
However, some recent buyers report significant improvements, such as the riveted connections now replaced with threaded screws, etc.
But I'm still not ready to dive in, even though I also REALLY like the overall designs, and of course the power is excellent. The HP bullpup is the one I'd love to have if the quality turns out to be fine. I would remove the spring, disabling the semi-auto function, since we can't hunt with semi-auto's in NY State. Luckily, that design makes this easy to do.
Another issue is accuracy, esp with slugs. They may be fine, but I have yet to see any careful tests.
And some users say the trigger is average at best.
And they don't appear to be regulated (I could be wrong) So is there an aftermarket reg available? I'm considering turning the HP bullpup into a bottle gun, so I could put a Ninja reg on the outside, but that's a lot of $$ in the end, so again maybe better choices out there.
And finally: One big attraction for me with the HP is it's 24" barrel in such a short gun. They accomplish this partly by having the trigger a good length away from the butt, (which I like, personally) but one has to wonder how much shroud-baffle is in there, and how well it works. That shroud also doesn't have much diameter at the end, so..... If the gun NEEDS an added moderator for backyard shooting, then I think there better other options out there for just a little more money.
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Let's see some more reports from recent buyers before getting too carried away ....
We can't hunt with semi autos here? I've never heard this. Is this air rifles only? As long as it's .177 or .22 caliber or can be modified to hold six shots or less you're good. From NYSDECs website
It is illegal to take or hunt wildlife:
with any semi-automatic firearm with a capacity to hold more than 6 rounds, EXCEPT the following semi-automatic firearms:
firearms using .22 or .17 caliber rimfire ammunition, or
firearms altered to reduce their capacity to no more than 6 shells at one time in the magazine and chamber combined, or
autoloading pistols with a barrel length of less than eight inches. Ah, except it's not rimfire ammo. It would have to hold 6 pellets.
According to the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, if gas pressurization is achieved through mechanical gas compression rather than through chemical propellant combustion, then the device is technically an air gun, not a firearm.
So to my understanding an air doesn’t fall under the rules in NY. So you should be able to hunt with a semi automatic.
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The main issue has been build quality. As late as last year, there were all sorts of reports of flimsy adjusters, loose connections that couldn't be tightened, etc. Sort of the worst-case scenario with a Chinese mfg.
However, some recent buyers report significant improvements, such as the riveted connections now replaced with threaded screws, etc.
But I'm still not ready to dive in, even though I also REALLY like the overall designs, and of course the power is excellent. The HP bullpup is the one I'd love to have if the quality turns out to be fine. I would remove the spring, disabling the semi-auto function, since we can't hunt with semi-auto's in NY State. Luckily, that design makes this easy to do.
Another issue is accuracy, esp with slugs. They may be fine, but I have yet to see any careful tests.
And some users say the trigger is average at best.
And they don't appear to be regulated (I could be wrong) So is there an aftermarket reg available? I'm considering turning the HP bullpup into a bottle gun, so I could put a Ninja reg on the outside, but that's a lot of $$ in the end, so again maybe better choices out there.
And finally: One big attraction for me with the HP is it's 24" barrel in such a short gun. They accomplish this partly by having the trigger a good length away from the butt, (which I like, personally) but one has to wonder how much shroud-baffle is in there, and how well it works. That shroud also doesn't have much diameter at the end, so..... If the gun NEEDS an added moderator for backyard shooting, then I think there better other options out there for just a little more money.
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Let's see some more reports from recent buyers before getting too carried away ....
We can't hunt with semi autos here? I've never heard this. Is this air rifles only? As long as it's .177 or .22 caliber or can be modified to hold six shots or less you're good. From NYSDECs website
It is illegal to take or hunt wildlife:
with any semi-automatic firearm with a capacity to hold more than 6 rounds, EXCEPT the following semi-automatic firearms:
firearms using .22 or .17 caliber rimfire ammunition, or
firearms altered to reduce their capacity to no more than 6 shells at one time in the magazine and chamber combined, or
autoloading pistols with a barrel length of less than eight inches. Ah, except it's not rimfire ammo. It would have to hold 6 pellets.
According to the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, if gas pressurization is achieved through mechanical gas compression rather than through chemical propellant combustion, then the device is technically an air gun, not a firearm.
So to my understanding an air doesn’t fall under the rules in NY. So you should be able to hunt with a semi automatic.
That would be nice. It's definitely a gray area. The way NYS defines an airgun is what concerns me. If it shoots over 600 fps it's a firearm to them.
From NYSDEC
Air guns may be used to hunt furbearers. An air gun is defined as a firearm that uses spring or compressed air (not gunpowder) to propel a single projectile that is .17 caliber or larger and produces a muzzle velocity of at least 600 feet/second.
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The main issue has been build quality. As late as last year, there were all sorts of reports of flimsy adjusters, loose connections that couldn't be tightened, etc. Sort of the worst-case scenario with a Chinese mfg.
However, some recent buyers report significant improvements, such as the riveted connections now replaced with threaded screws, etc.
But I'm still not ready to dive in, even though I also REALLY like the overall designs, and of course the power is excellent. The HP bullpup is the one I'd love to have if the quality turns out to be fine. I would remove the spring, disabling the semi-auto function, since we can't hunt with semi-auto's in NY State. Luckily, that design makes this easy to do.
Another issue is accuracy, esp with slugs. They may be fine, but I have yet to see any careful tests.
And some users say the trigger is average at best.
And they don't appear to be regulated (I could be wrong) So is there an aftermarket reg available? I'm considering turning the HP bullpup into a bottle gun, so I could put a Ninja reg on the outside, but that's a lot of $$ in the end, so again maybe better choices out there.
And finally: One big attraction for me with the HP is it's 24" barrel in such a short gun. They accomplish this partly by having the trigger a good length away from the butt, (which I like, personally) but one has to wonder how much shroud-baffle is in there, and how well it works. That shroud also doesn't have much diameter at the end, so..... If the gun NEEDS an added moderator for backyard shooting, then I think there better other options out there for just a little more money.
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Let's see some more reports from recent buyers before getting too carried away ....
We can't hunt with semi autos here? I've never heard this. Is this air rifles only? As long as it's .177 or .22 caliber or can be modified to hold six shots or less you're good. From NYSDECs website
It is illegal to take or hunt wildlife:
with any semi-automatic firearm with a capacity to hold more than 6 rounds, EXCEPT the following semi-automatic firearms:
firearms using .22 or .17 caliber rimfire ammunition, or
firearms altered to reduce their capacity to no more than 6 shells at one time in the magazine and chamber combined, or
autoloading pistols with a barrel length of less than eight inches. Ah, except it's not rimfire ammo. It would have to hold 6 pellets.
According to the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, if gas pressurization is achieved through mechanical gas compression rather than through chemical propellant combustion, then the device is technically an air gun, not a firearm.
So to my understanding an air doesn’t fall under the rules in NY. So you should be able to hunt with a semi automatic.
That would be nice. It's definitely a gray area. The way NYS defines an airgun is what concerns me. If it shoots over 600 fps it's a firearm to them.
From NYSDEC
Air guns may be used to hunt furbearers. An air gun is defined as a firearm that uses spring or compressed air (not gunpowder) to propel a single projectile that is .17 caliber or larger and produces a muzzle velocity of at least 600 feet/second.
Only deemed as firearms when used for "hunting", by the NYSDEC. Airguns are not firearms otherwise under NYS law... Don't spread misinformation please.
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I have 2 of the AEA Challengers .... 1 is the .357 24 inch barrel none bullpup , and that gun is a power house , and can shoot very accurate with pellets or slug's using the NOE molds ...
The 2nd AEA gun is a Challenger .30 32inch barrel bullpup { shorter than my DAR guns }, it shoots the jsb 44.75 and the NOE pellets very well with the power turned down on the dial by about a 1/4 of a turn , Bob pushed a 82g bullet close to 1100 FPS 214 FPE with this 32inch barrel set up , so I think with some testing we should be able to get into the 230-240 FPE range ... this gun is a monster in .30 ... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The main issue has been build quality. As late as last year, there were all sorts of reports of flimsy adjusters, loose connections that couldn't be tightened, etc. Sort of the worst-case scenario with a Chinese mfg.
However, some recent buyers report significant improvements, such as the riveted connections now replaced with threaded screws, etc.
But I'm still not ready to dive in, even though I also REALLY like the overall designs, and of course the power is excellent. The HP bullpup is the one I'd love to have if the quality turns out to be fine. I would remove the spring, disabling the semi-auto function, since we can't hunt with semi-auto's in NY State. Luckily, that design makes this easy to do.
Another issue is accuracy, esp with slugs. They may be fine, but I have yet to see any careful tests.
And some users say the trigger is average at best.
And they don't appear to be regulated (I could be wrong) So is there an aftermarket reg available? I'm considering turning the HP bullpup into a bottle gun, so I could put a Ninja reg on the outside, but that's a lot of $$ in the end, so again maybe better choices out there.
And finally: One big attraction for me with the HP is it's 24" barrel in such a short gun. They accomplish this partly by having the trigger a good length away from the butt, (which I like, personally) but one has to wonder how much shroud-baffle is in there, and how well it works. That shroud also doesn't have much diameter at the end, so..... If the gun NEEDS an added moderator for backyard shooting, then I think there better other options out there for just a little more money.
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Let's see some more reports from recent buyers before getting too carried away ....
We can't hunt with semi autos here? I've never heard this. Is this air rifles only? As long as it's .177 or .22 caliber or can be modified to hold six shots or less you're good. From NYSDECs website
It is illegal to take or hunt wildlife:
with any semi-automatic firearm with a capacity to hold more than 6 rounds, EXCEPT the following semi-automatic firearms:
firearms using .22 or .17 caliber rimfire ammunition, or
firearms altered to reduce their capacity to no more than 6 shells at one time in the magazine and chamber combined, or
autoloading pistols with a barrel length of less than eight inches. Ah, except it's not rimfire ammo. It would have to hold 6 pellets.
According to the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, if gas pressurization is achieved through mechanical gas compression rather than through chemical propellant combustion, then the device is technically an air gun, not a firearm.
So to my understanding an air doesn’t fall under the rules in NY. So you should be able to hunt with a semi automatic.
That would be nice. It's definitely a gray area. The way NYS defines an airgun is what concerns me. If it shoots over 600 fps it's a firearm to them.
From NYSDEC
Air guns may be used to hunt furbearers. An air gun is defined as a firearm that uses spring or compressed air (not gunpowder) to propel a single projectile that is .17 caliber or larger and produces a muzzle velocity of at least 600 feet/second.
Only deemed as firearms when used for "hunting", by the NYSDEC. Airguns are not firearms otherwise under NYS law... Don't spread misinformation please.
If you look at the original post you quoted, we are referring to hunting. If we weren't, this wouldn't even be a discussion. There's no law stopping you from shooting a semi auto air rifle. That being said, I should have typed NYSDEC instead of NYS at the beginning of the post. Anyway this is off topic. Back to AEA air rifles.
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I have 2 of the AEA Challengers .... 1 is the .357 24 inch barrel none bullpup , and that gun is a power house , and can shoot very accurate with pellets or slug's using the NOE molds ...
The 2nd AEA gun is a Challenger .30 32inch barrel bullpup { shorter than my DAR guns }, it shoots the jsb 44.75 and the NOE pellets very well with the power turned down on the dial by about a 1/4 of a turn , Bob pushed a 82g bullet close to 1100 FPS 214 FPE with this 32inch barrel set up , so I think with some testing we should be able to get into the 230-240 FPE range ... this gun is a monster in .30 ... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Dan, Is it possible to make the 357 back yard friendly? Up in the air whether to get the .30 or .357.
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Matt, I have the Ronin with extension from donny fl and my 357 challenger is definitely BYF.
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That is awesome. How many shots are you getting if you don't mind me asking. Also are you casting your own? Thanks.
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Is there a catalog with all the production guns floating around somewhere ?
I found this Googling the Nomad, seems to be the closest thing to a catalog. It does have the Nomad and Wasp listed, but not sure if or where you could purchase one.
http://www.aeaairgun.com/Guns (http://www.aeaairgun.com/Guns)
Ohhhhh thanks for that they sure have an interesting line up,
That revolver is what I want !!!!!!! :) :) :)
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I like that SCARAB too !!!!
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This guy has some up for sale…
https://foxairpower.com/
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Bin is the guy to buy AEA gun's from he is the guy that imports all AEA guns to the USA all other's selling in the USA are his dealers ...
aeaairguns.net is his site phone is 978- 799 - 9582 he usually answers the phone right away about every time I call him or text him ...
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What I like about the HP series is the design of the receiver where the trigger is higher since the receiver is not a block but is recessed,
Making the hand position much closer to the barrel, I really like that.
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I'm not sure why people are adding LDC's on the Challenger .30
One thing I was impressed by was how quite it is out of the box.
Aside from that ping that is.
Now Chris is shooting way out in the middle of nowhere right beside PB shooters!
Why add a DonnyFL? Maybe so if he misses they don't look?
;D
I added a DonnyFL to the .30 and .50 Evanix cause those are loud!
Now I do love to pull the DonnyFL off the .50 if I hear any "BB Gun" comments!
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I'm not sure why people are adding LDC's on the Challenger .30
One thing I was impressed by was how quite it is out of the box.
Aside from that ping that is.
Now Chris is shooting way out in the middle of nowhere right beside PB shooters!
Why add a DonnyFL? Maybe so if he misses they don't look?
;D
I added a DonnyFL to the .30 and .50 Evanix cause those are loud!
Now I do love to pull the DonnyFL off the .50 if I hear any "BB Gun" comments!
Yeah I like guns that don't need to ad the extra length of a LDC,.....that Sniper .50 with that short shroud ( Basically a naked barrel ) sure sings :)
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My friend,....not to be rude but only a couple months ago you couldn't even operate a PCP properly :) :)
Not to be rude, but you gave arrogant responses to a thread about double-feeding, without having a clue what the problems are with some low-cost rifles.
Improper operation was never an issue, no matter how highly you regard your massive experience.
Say, what are you doing posting here? Shouldn't you be off somewhere, admiring yourself in a mirror?
I have plenty clues how low cost rifles operate since I shot aplenty of them and several Hatsans,
Unfortunately you didn't have a clue of the basic operations of a PCP rifle regardless of the cost of a gun, and now all of a sudden you big time expert,......ahhh the beauty of watching You tube videos and suddenly giving advices like we know stuff :) :) LOL
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Yeah. Pretty much a waste of posting space.
Stay on subject and avoid conflicts like that.
Not worth the time reading it nor copying it to further posts.
What someone says to me online is pretty much nothing until I sit beside them and see what they can do!
There are a lot of people here GTA that have sat beside me and seen what I can do.
And I have sat beside some of the BEST shooters here at GTA!
Manny is on my bucket list!
;)
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My friend,....not to be rude but only a couple months ago you couldn't even operate a PCP properly :) :)
Not to be rude, but you gave arrogant responses to a thread about double-feeding, without having a clue what the problems are with some low-cost rifles.
Improper operation was never an issue, no matter how highly you regard your massive experience.
Say, what are you doing posting here? Shouldn't you be off somewhere, admiring yourself in a mirror?
I have plenty clues how low cost rifles operate since I shot aplenty of them and several Hatsans,
Unfortunately you didn't have a clue of the basic operations of a PCP rifle regardless of the cost of a gun, and now all of a sudden you big time expert,......ahhh the beauty of watching You tube videos and suddenly giving advices like we know stuff :) :) LOL
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My friend,....not to be rude but only a couple months ago you couldn't even operate a PCP properly :) :)
Not to be rude, but you gave arrogant responses to a thread about double-feeding, without having a clue what the problems are with some low-cost rifles.
Improper operation was never an issue, no matter how highly you regard your massive experience.
Say, what are you doing posting here? Shouldn't you be off somewhere, admiring yourself in a mirror?
I have plenty clues how low cost rifles operate since I shot aplenty of them and several Hatsans,
Unfortunately you didn't have a clue of the basic operations of a PCP rifle regardless of the cost of a gun, and now all of a sudden you big time expert,......ahhh the beauty of watching You tube videos and suddenly giving advices like we know stuff :) :) LOL
Yup..
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I did a little rapid fire with my HP 25 cal semi auto this morning after I shot a nice red squirrel with it.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=189053.0;attach=365601;image)
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Geez Wayne!
Now I gotta go shoot the Max-Air .25 Evanix!
;D
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I remember I use to love the original MAX, could easily do 3 shots bursts since the rate of fire was on the low side :)
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Manny I've seen videos of AEA's that had the three round burst too but evidently they don't make them anymore ??? I think that would be a lot of fun too 8)
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Absolutely,
said this before and say it again,.......I really like what AEA is doing with their production,
Such a variety, I think it's great
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Hoping the line up gets to us!
I was told that .50 would be in the States around September.
So I expect a divorce around October.
;D
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I sure wish they'd import more of the .22 Standard Challengers, I'd buy one for sure, I'd rather have that for $359 than getting the kit for my HP Semi which makes it bolt action. That kit is little over $200.
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Absolutely,
said this before and say it again,.......I really like what AEA is doing with their production,
Such a variety, I think it's great
I do admire their product offerings. Other companies should take note
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I do admire their product offerings. Other companies should take note
I do know there are others taking note and have things in the works.
Just can't talk about it.
;)
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I do admire their product offerings. Other companies should take note
I do know there are others taking note and have things in the works.
Just can't talk about it.
;)
Awesome. Love it. The beautiful thing about the competitive market is it forces companies to innovate and give better product offerings.
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Hoping the line up gets to us!
I was told that .50 would be in the States around September.
So I expect a divorce around October.
;D
Almost looks like they need a bigger more established importer that is able to bring in all the various offerings.
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I'm not impressed with a video as posted above.
Hand me your Zeus and I have a Buffalo tag in Wyoming.
Then you would see real World results.
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I'm not impressed with a video as posted above.
Hand me your Zeus and I have a Buffalo tag in Wyoming.
Then you would see real World results.
Dang! A Buffalo with an Air Gun! That would be a video worth going viral!!! :o
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The Zeus .72 cal would have no problem taking down every single North American game,...none.
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I know that the older Xtreme Big bores have taken down Cape buffalo before, those were comparable to the Zeus and were a little more costly but not much.
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Heck the .357 in my Signature would take down about any white tail with the heaviest slugs that I can cast with good shot placement. I'm going to cast up some with the flat nose that'll take care of one if I can get a good shot at it.
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Not to rain on any parades but you have to admit, somebody at factory has to quit doing this.
This is the muzzle on my .22 varmint.
After repair, It’s awesome.
Dave
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Save you money. Many of you already have an airgun that will kill a Buffalo.
A airgun firing arrows, like a shortened Bulldog, to get the correct barrel length, or a AF Texan, a 45 or 50 Seneca would kill anything that walks, anywhere.
If AV ever makes arrow again.
Regards,
Roachcreek
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My REX Mini-Carbines will kill anything and some shooting arrows.
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Air bolt nocks are only $10 for 6 at PA and they have them in 357, .45 etc. With those you can turn a regular 2219 aluminum arrow into an air bolt
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Most of them are on back order unfortunately.
Manny, I have no doubt you can.
I always wanted to try one on elk.
Regards,
Roachcreek
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Most of them are on back order unfortunately.
No problem. Simple solution for a .357 airbolt on a budget:
2219 aluminum arrow or crossbow bolts. Remove nock. Replace nock with:
5 x 9mm rubber table top bumpers/rubber plug. 5mm end goes into 2219 arrow nock end with at most a small bit shaved off. 9mm end is the rear seal. $7 for 50 pc set.
https://www.amazon.com/YouU-Bumpers-Spacers-Furniture-Cabinet/dp/B08H89MRL2/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=9mm%2Brubber%2Bplug&qid=1625459268&sr=8-4&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/YouU-Bumpers-Spacers-Furniture-Cabinet/dp/B08H89MRL2/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=9mm%2Brubber%2Bplug&qid=1625459268&sr=8-4&th=1)
For grins, even though a 2219 arrow is almost 35 cal already, you can pop a rubber grommet over the arrow at the end of the barrel to ensure all is perfectly straight. $14 for a 210 pc set
https://www.amazon.com/Firewall-Electrical-Kit%EF%BC%8CFirewall-Automotive-9mm%E3%80%818mm%E3%80%817mm%E3%80%816mm%E3%80%815mm/dp/B087WXV6M4/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1&keywords=9mm%2Brubber%2Bplug&qid=1625459268&sr=8-7&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Firewall-Electrical-Kit%EF%BC%8CFirewall-Automotive-9mm%E3%80%818mm%E3%80%817mm%E3%80%816mm%E3%80%815mm/dp/B087WXV6M4/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1&keywords=9mm%2Brubber%2Bplug&qid=1625459268&sr=8-7&th=1)
That same method can, I am sure with a little bit of looking on Amazon, be transposed to .45 and .50 cal easily.
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From the looks of it the .357 Airbolts have been re-designed and back in production,
Now it's just a matter of time before they get to the store like .45 and .50 nothing is in stock at the moment but things will get moving eventually just like for pellets.
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I just ordered some of those rubber bumpers off Amazon. They should be here Wednesday, which is cool since I am off Wednesday and I have a huge high powered crossbow/archery target sitting in my front yard. I may just have to see if this will actually work in a real world scenario, and how the power and accuracy turns out. After just watching a YouTube video of a guy with a Benji Bulldog shooting his own home made air bolts successfully with nocks made of hot glue I have the feeling it will work just fine through my Challenger.
https://youtu.be/f5GMFSRUaME
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Not to rain on any parades but you have to admit, somebody at factory has to quit doing this.
This is the muzzle on my .22 varmint.
After repair, It’s awesome.
Dave
What is it that we are looking at here? Did they ship a threaded 2/3rd piece of barrel or are you trying to point out the rifling, what context are you trying to convey?
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Before I cut previous piece off, to get back to good rifling.
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Jared,
I am looking forward to reading how your Wednesday goes on that arrow project.
Roachcreek
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I just ordered some of those rubber bumpers off Amazon. They should be here Wednesday, which is cool since I am off Wednesday and I have a huge high powered crossbow/archery target sitting in my front yard. I may just have to see if this will actually work in a real world scenario, and how the power and accuracy turns out. After just watching a YouTube video of a guy with a Benji Bulldog shooting his own home made air bolts successfully with nocks made of hot glue I have the feeling it will work just fine through my Challenger.
https://youtu.be/f5GMFSRUaME
Jared, just a suggestion
use blunts rather then field points if you decide to have some ply behind your target
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I know that the older Xtreme Big bores have taken down Cape buffalo before, those were comparable to the Zeus and were a little more costly but not much.
When you are getting into this all out big bore territory .40 and larger spending around 1500 bucks or more I am going XP air guns they are made much better than extreme or AEA for that matter , since I now have both AEA and XP I can really compare the 2 ,and it's not hard to see , and feel why XP is better after shooting the guns side by side ....
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I just ordered some of those rubber bumpers off Amazon. They should be here Wednesday, which is cool since I am off Wednesday and I have a huge high powered crossbow/archery target sitting in my front yard. I may just have to see if this will actually work in a real world scenario, and how the power and accuracy turns out. After just watching a YouTube video of a guy with a Benji Bulldog shooting his own home made air bolts successfully with nocks made of hot glue I have the feeling it will work just fine through my Challenger.
https://youtu.be/f5GMFSRUaME
Jared, just a suggestion
use blunts rather then field points if you decide to have some ply behind your target
I was a bit amused at the guy having to hammer his arrow out of the plywood with a piece of lumber. His choice of target was poor but he did manage to come up with a way to get his arrows out of his Bulldog at speed so I think he was fairly successful
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What is the cost difference between AEA and XP?
I ask because the AEA line is a nice choice for budget buyers.
Granted I could have several FX or higher quality Guns by now but decided to slowly work my way up the ladder.
That is a personal choice on my part. I figure I can't give a good response if I jump from a low cost Gun to the very best out there.
I don't want to brag about a high dollar Gun I have compared to the Hatsans or AEA line if I skip them.
Can I afford the best out there? Not need to know information.
The topic is (Or was) A.E.A. the gun of the moment?
Seems it's way off topic now and looses my interest.
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What is the thinnest Legacys you can buy ?
I'm shooting 2117 and they seem to thick for a .357 barrel,
maybe 2020 ? ..still have a good spine.
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We are going to get an EXPERT review in the AEA .30 Challenger!
I am sending my .30 to Manny.
All I asked was he take a hog and give us his honest review.
We all know his hunting skills and his many different Guns.
I don't think there's anyone more qualified to give us the feed back We all want.
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We are going to get an EXPERT review in the AEA .30 Challenger!
I am sending my .30 to Manny.
All I asked was he take a hog and give us his honest review.
We all know his hunting skills and his many different Guns.
I don't think there's anyone more qualified to give us the feed back We all want.
WOW, unreal !!!!!
that sure was unexpected,
been a long time since I played with a new gun, this should make for an interesting thread.
I also have a few different bullets that don't shoot well out of my Storms .30 that I will throw downrange with the .30 AEA
Perfect timing too since I just got COVID and will be out of work for 2 weeks :) :) :)
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Excellent idea Jeff. I'm looking forward to reading Manny's thoughts and experience with your challenger.
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We are going to get an EXPERT review in the AEA .30 Challenger!
I am sending my .30 to Manny.
All I asked was he take a hog and give us his honest review.
We all know his hunting skills and his many different Guns.
I don't think there's anyone more qualified to give us the feed back We all want.
WOW, unreal !!!!!
that sure was unexpected,
been a long time since I played with a new gun, this should make for an interesting thread.
I also have a few different bullets that don't shoot well out of my Storms .30 that I will throw downrange with the .30 AEA
Perfect timing too since I just got COVID and will be out of work for 2 weeks :) :) :)
Don't go infecting those piggies with the COVID! Off them with lead poisoning instead! ;D LOL! Hope you recover quickly, I'm looking forward to hearing what you think of it!
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We are going to get an EXPERT review in the AEA .30 Challenger!
I am sending my .30 to Manny.
All I asked was he take a hog and give us his honest review.
We all know his hunting skills and his many different Guns.
I don't think there's anyone more qualified to give us the feed back We all want.
WOW, unreal !!!!!
that sure was unexpected,
been a long time since I played with a new gun, this should make for an interesting thread.
I also have a few different bullets that don't shoot well out of my Storms .30 that I will throw downrange with the .30 AEA
Perfect timing too since I just got COVID and will be out of work for 2 weeks :) :) :)
Don't go infecting those piggies with the COVID! Off them with lead poisoning instead! ;D LOL! Hope you recover quickly, I'm looking forward to hearing what you think of it!
LOL I will do my best to send a .30 pill to them :)
Actually I feel real good but Positive so I can't go to work for 2 weeks.
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I got the .30 cal HP SS Plus. Works great. Apart from Bison Workshop’s freshly printed option, their are no bipod rail mounts for the 52mm OD air tube.
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I got the .30 cal HP SS Plus. Works great. Apart from Bison Workshop’s freshly printed option, their are no bipod rail mounts for the 52mm OD air tube.
Is that the pistol ?
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I got the .30 cal HP SS Plus. Works great. Apart from Bison Workshop’s freshly printed option, their are no bipod rail mounts for the 52mm OD air tube.
Is that the pistol ?
Yes. 10 inch barrel. Length with stock folded is 19.5”. Fits in a backpack. Only downside is the odd-sized air tube means very limited options for accessory rails.
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I got the .30 cal HP SS Plus. Works great. Apart from Bison Workshop’s freshly printed option, their are no bipod rail mounts for the 52mm OD air tube.
Is that the pistol ?
Yes. 10 inch barrel. Length with stock folded is 19.5”. Fits in a backpack. Only downside is the odd-sized air tube means very limited options for accessory rails.
Do you shoot it as a pistol or as a Carbine ?
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I got the .30 cal HP SS Plus. Works great. Apart from Bison Workshop’s freshly printed option, their are no bipod rail mounts for the 52mm OD air tube.
Is that the pistol ?
Yes. 10 inch barrel. Length with stock folded is 19.5”. Fits in a backpack. Only downside is the odd-sized air tube means very limited options for accessory rails.
Do you shoot it as a pistol or as a Carbine ?
I intend to use it as a carbine primarily. It’s accurate out well past typical pistol range.
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I got the .30 cal HP SS Plus. Works great. Apart from Bison Workshop’s freshly printed option, their are no bipod rail mounts for the 52mm OD air tube.
Is that the pistol ?
Yes. 10 inch barrel. Length with stock folded is 19.5”. Fits in a backpack. Only downside is the odd-sized air tube means very limited options for accessory rails.
Do you shoot it as a pistol or as a Carbine ?
I intend to use it as a carbine primarily. It’s accurate out well past typical pistol range.
Thanks,...is there any chance you could take a picture looking down as you would be pointing a pistol,.....does the magazine stick out and interfer with the sight picture ?
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I know that the older Xtreme Big bores have taken down Cape buffalo before, those were comparable to the Zeus and were a little more costly but not much.
When you are getting into this all out big bore territory .40 and larger spending around 1500 bucks or more I am going XP air guns they are made much better than extreme or AEA for that matter , since I now have both AEA and XP I can really compare the 2 ,and it's not hard to see , and feel why XP is better after shooting the guns side by side ....
XP .72 cal.......$ 2100
Zeus .72 cal.....$ 1200-1300-1400
Also a big difference :) :) :)
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Too funny. They do seem to be doing a great job with their newer line up. I really liked the looks of that nomad too Manny. Sweet looking gun. They also had a pistol called the wasp that was supposed to produce 30fpe in 22 caliber. I haven't seen either one lately though.
I'm kind of Looking at that .30 Semi-Auto pistol,.....that would be something I'm interested in.
Does anybody know if this dealer is legit ? ...never heard of it.
https://www.aresairgunstactical.com/AEA-HP-SS-30-Cal-_p_1502.html (https://www.aresairgunstactical.com/AEA-HP-SS-30-Cal-_p_1502.html)
I've been wanting a compact .30 for sometime now, I'm going to reach out to a local guy on Facebook and begin the conversation about buying one from him.
I'll let you know how dealing with him goes, but he seems like he's legit, but this will be my first time dealing with him, so I can't really recommend him yet.
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I know that the older Xtreme Big bores have taken down Cape buffalo before, those were comparable to the Zeus and were a little more costly but not much.
When you are getting into this all out big bore territory .40 and larger spending around 1500 bucks or more I am going XP air guns they are made much better than extreme or AEA for that matter , since I now have both AEA and XP I can really compare the 2 ,and it's not hard to see , and feel why XP is better after shooting the guns side by side ....
XP .72 cal.......$ 2100
Zeus .72 cal.....$ 1200-1300-1400
Also a big difference :) :) :)
You pay for what you get when it comes to this range of gun's no doubt about it ...
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Too funny. They do seem to be doing a great job with their newer line up. I really liked the looks of that nomad too Manny. Sweet looking gun. They also had a pistol called the wasp that was supposed to produce 30fpe in 22 caliber. I haven't seen either one lately though.
I'm kind of Looking at that .30 Semi-Auto pistol,.....that would be something I'm interested in.
Does anybody know if this dealer is legit ? ...never heard of it.
https://www.aresairgunstactical.com/AEA-HP-SS-30-Cal-_p_1502.html (https://www.aresairgunstactical.com/AEA-HP-SS-30-Cal-_p_1502.html)
I've been wanting a compact .30 for sometime now, I'm going to reach out to a local guy on Facebook and begin the conversation about buying one from him.
I'll let you know how dealing with him goes, but he seems like he's legit, but this will be my first time dealing with him, so I can't really recommend him yet.
So you are looking to buy the smaller .30 Pistol ?
let me know if you do I will have some questions :)
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First DIY .357 airbolt is made. 432.8 gr.
The 9 mm rubber bumpers arrived today. Thinner at the spike end that goes in the arrow than I thought it might be, but some hot glue and it is nicely secure. Outlook seems promising. Arrow turns itself as it enters the rifling. Have not tried with a 2219 yet since as I was going through my quiver I noticed an old carbon fiber arrow that had torn up fletching, which I have now removed completely. If I am lucky I will get to make some more and fire some tomorrow. Thunderstorms are forecast all week. Sigh.
I will be sure to lube it with some silicone oil before actual firing to try to reduce friction
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Yeah I rather have shafts that are way smaller then the actual bore like the Airbolts are.
Easton 1816 are .281 diameter, I'm guessing a lot of carbon shafta out there are that size or even smaller.
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The 2219s are just under 35 cal at .343. Since the arrows I shoot are all rated at least 70# I am hopeful this carbon fiber monster wont explode in my face, but when I do fire it the first time I will still use safety glasses and armored gloves. If it is as successful as I think it will be then the days of looking at $100 for 6 bolts are done for me.
When I shoot it I will also shoot a couple of my crossbows and compound bows for some comparison of penetration.
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Too funny. They do seem to be doing a great job with their newer line up. I really liked the looks of that nomad too Manny. Sweet looking gun. They also had a pistol called the wasp that was supposed to produce 30fpe in 22 caliber. I haven't seen either one lately though.
I'm kind of Looking at that .30 Semi-Auto pistol,.....that would be something I'm interested in.
Does anybody know if this dealer is legit ? ...never heard of it.
https://www.aresairgunstactical.com/AEA-HP-SS-30-Cal-_p_1502.html (https://www.aresairgunstactical.com/AEA-HP-SS-30-Cal-_p_1502.html)
I've been wanting a compact .30 for sometime now, I'm going to reach out to a local guy on Facebook and begin the conversation about buying one from him.
I'll let you know how dealing with him goes, but he seems like he's legit, but this will be my first time dealing with him, so I can't really recommend him yet.
So you are looking to buy the smaller .30 Pistol ?
let me know if you do I will have some questions :)
Yea I want the smaller one.
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Cool,....start a thread or something when you get it I will definitely follow :)
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Yea I want the smaller one.
Ken, by smaller are you referring to the 30 cal with the 8 inch barrel?
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Yea I want the smaller one.
Ken, by smaller are you referring to the 30 cal with the 8 inch barrel?
Exactly. 8" barrel and small air cylinder.
Already have a red dot for it
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Yea I want the smaller one.
Ken, by smaller are you referring to the 30 cal with the 8 inch barrel?
Exactly. 8" barrel and small air cylinder.
Already have a red dot for it
KOOL,
I have 2 questions already ;
when you get it can you tell me how far back the end of the barrel is from the end of the shroud ?
and,...could you take a picture looking down the barrel ? ...I would like to set it up with Iron sights and like to see how much the magazine is in the way.
Either way, thanks
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I got the .30 cal HP SS Plus. Works great. Apart from Bison Workshop’s freshly printed option, their are no bipod rail mounts for the 52mm OD air tube.
Is that the pistol ?
Yes. 10 inch barrel. Length with stock folded is 19.5”. Fits in a backpack. Only downside is the odd-sized air tube means very limited options for accessory rails.
Do you shoot it as a pistol or as a Carbine ?
I intend to use it as a carbine primarily. It’s accurate out well past typical pistol range.
Thanks,...is there any chance you could take a picture looking down as you would be pointing a pistol,.....does the magazine stick out and interfer with the sight picture ?
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I got the .30 cal HP SS Plus. Works great. Apart from Bison Workshop’s freshly printed option, their are no bipod rail mounts for the 52mm OD air tube.
Is that the pistol ?
Yes. 10 inch barrel. Length with stock folded is 19.5”. Fits in a backpack. Only downside is the odd-sized air tube means very limited options for accessory rails.
Do you shoot it as a pistol or as a Carbine ?
I intend to use it as a carbine primarily. It’s accurate out well past typical pistol range.
Thanks,...is there any chance you could take a picture looking down as you would be pointing a pistol,.....does the magazine stick out and interfer with the sight picture ?
Thanks for that,
WOW that mag really sticks out, getting iron sights set up would be a workout :) :)
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Exactly. 8" barrel and small air cylinder.
Already have a red dot for it
I have been eye balling this one. I'm intrigued with the idea of a .30 Cal, short barrel semi automatic.
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Exactly. 8" barrel and small air cylinder.
Already have a red dot for it
I have been eye balling this one. I'm intrigued with the idea of a .30 Cal, short barrel semi automatic.
Yeaah me too ;D ;D ;D
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Exactly. 8" barrel and small air cylinder.
Already have a red dot for it
I have been eye balling this one. I'm intrigued with the idea of a .30 Cal, short barrel semi automatic.
Yeaah me too ;D ;D ;D
Good way for a company to make some $$$
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Exactly. 8" barrel and small air cylinder.
Already have a red dot for it
I have been eye balling this one. I'm intrigued with the idea of a .30 Cal, short barrel semi automatic.
Yeaah me too ;D ;D ;D
Good way for a company to make some $$$
Ain't that what they are supposed to do?
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I just watched Bin’s video on his new battery powered compressor.
I had a very bad experience with a China gun, my Skyhawk, most of the problems I blame on Diana. The rifle is up and running now and I have a new Meopta 4x20x50 on it. Quickly becoming my favorite gun at under 10 FPE.
The thing that haunts me about my no China products decision is that Dan H writes great things about AEA guns. Dan H and I go back a decade when we both bought Ranger 45’s and wrote extensively about them. Dan H has had some trouble with certain China brands, Dan H writes about the good and bad things truthfully.
And I trust Dan H, so I think AEA has some great products, being a 11 yard shooter these days, they are a bit too powerful for me for the most part, but if I wanted a powerful .30, it would be that 30 cal, 32 inch barreled bullpup.
The best advice, I can now give on China guns and price point guns with all the bells and whistles, is be patient, read, research and don’t jump in without that du dilegence. I did with my Skyhawk and spent a lot of money on it, if I had followed the afore mentioned advice, and listened to what I was told, I would be shooting something else. Second generation guns have the bugs worked out for the most part and are worth the wait in many instances.
Regards,
Roachcreek
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So my finger is hovering over the "buy" button on a couple of the AEA seller websites. My problem is, there isn't any really good (detailed) info out there.
What's the difference in the dozen or so different models? Are they all identical with different barrels and magazines?
Which ones have the power dial? The external power knob really appeals to me because I'd like to be able to dial down for the backyard (30 yards).
From what I can see in the fuzzy, limited, (dated?) photos.... The Backpacker, the Assassin and the Carbine are all the same gun with just different barrel lengths and maybe a moderator added. But what about the HP SS/SS+? Are they the same gun as well? Does the HP SS have a manometer port with a plug? Am I all wet and the only thing common on these is the paint?
I'm disappointed that I missed all the carbon fiber versions apparently. (Sigh).
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Jared, just a suggestion
use blunts rather then field points if you decide to have some ply behind your target
In between boughts of rain I tested out the one air bolt I made. Not sure what fps/fpe I got since the chinese chrony game me a weird error and read "10.9" but the 3x4 foot high-power target I use for my 165# Carbon Express Xforce 350 compound crossbow was no match at all for the arrow I shot. Passed through like nothing and kept going into my forest. Successful? Definitely. What sort of power am I getting? No idea at all. The Carbon express normally buries bolts about 8-10 inches into the target at the same range.
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Jared, just a suggestion
use blunts rather then field points if you decide to have some ply behind your target
In between boughts of rain I tested out the one air bolt I made. Not sure what fps/fpe I got since the chinese chrony game me a weird error and read "10.9" but the 3x4 foot high-power target I use for my 165# Carbon Express Xforce 350 compound crossbow was no match at all for the arrow I shot. Passed through like nothing and kept going into my forest. Successful? Definitely. What sort of power am I getting? No idea at all. The Carbon express normally buries bolts about 8-10 inches into the target at the same range.
Yep my friend, when I firs started shooting arrows out of airguns I was shocked,
I ended up making targets with a bag of packed denims after the foam and a ply in the back all tied firmly, and usu blunts so when it gets to the ply they don't get stuck.
Air archery is no joke !!!!
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At the very least we now know that my method with the rubber bumpers as airbolt nocks works as I thought it would. Now we just need an elephant to shoot it with.
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If the .357 Airbolts don't come back in production I will eventually get some Easton 1716 that 3Rivers sells and try make my own.
https://www.3riversarchery.com/easton-tribute-aluminum-shafts.html (https://www.3riversarchery.com/easton-tribute-aluminum-shafts.html)
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Last time I bought arrows was a few years ago. Picked up some dirt cheap 500 spine Fiberglass/PC/PU/Steel mix arrows for target shooting at $25 for a dozen on Amazon. Surprisingly all are still fine though I have seen complaints from people online that they are quite breakable if someone misses the target. I was polite and did not respond with "don't miss then". Now that I think about it I will have to check my archery room. I may have actually used one of those for that airbolt thinking it was CF.
Edit: sure enough it was one of those cheapies that I did my test with. Wow! Think I may buy another couple of dozen just for playing with the Challenger, since I bought a 50 pack of those rubber bumpers. At that price they are only double the price of a lot of big bore slugs I have seen for sale at $1 each. Semi-disposable dirt cheap airbolts, there's a thought...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F780JXM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F780JXM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1)
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I have no reason to use arrows myself because here in Michigan I can't hunt with them anyway.
I just watched Bin’s video on his new battery powered compressor.
I had a very bad experience with a China gun, my Skyhawk, most of the problems I blame on Diana. The rifle is up and running now and I have a new Meopta 4x20x50 on it. Quickly becoming my favorite gun at under 10 FPE.
The thing that haunts me about my no China products decision is that Dan H writes great things about AEA guns. Dan H and I go back a decade when we both bought Ranger 45’s and wrote extensively about them. Dan H has had some trouble with certain China brands, Dan H writes about the good and bad things truthfully.
And I trust Dan H, so I think AEA has some great products, being a 11 yard shooter these days, they are a bit too powerful for me for the most part, but if I wanted a powerful .30, it would be that 30 cal, 32 inch barreled bullpup.
The best advice, I can now give on China guns and price point guns with all the bells and whistles, is be patient, read, research and don’t jump in without that du dilegence. I did with my Skyhawk and spent a lot of money on it, if I had followed the afore mentioned advice, and listened to what I was told, I would be shooting something else. Second generation guns have the bugs worked out for the most part and are worth the wait in many instances.
Regards,
Roachcreek
RC as for 10 yard shooting my AEA HP 25 cal semi auto shooting I had to give it a basic sight in up in my attic because we had several days of constant rain here when I received mine, I did a video of it when I did it.
https://youtu.be/CNOYTiTDRMw
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In 2010 or so, I had a arrow kit for my Condor made by Tagdagger on the old TAG forum. It consisted of a tube to make the forearm longer and some hopped up AF parts and a barrel replacement that was a smalle tube that fit into the hollow shaft like the Benjamin arrow shooter. It also came with 3 Goldtip arrows.
The Goldtips I received with the kit, worked fine, but as I received the last generation of the Tagdagger kits, I got to 450-475 FPS. At that speed it was very easy to bend aluminum arrows. I was using what looks like my Morrel crossbow 400 FPS double duty target. It had iayers of plastic inside, that occasionally caused the arrow to change course a little and ruin the arrow.
Also I had pass throughs that wiped the fletching off the shaft. I tried glueing inserts in Goldtip carbon arrows but being a archery novice I evidently used the wrong glue as the insert would fly down range but not the arrow.
It also ruined arrow due to Robin Hooding them, so shooting groups conventionally was out of the question. If I missed at long range, the arrow was lost in the thick Doug Fir forest, blackberries and poison oak.
I did preorder nocks yesterday, but not sure which carbon arrow to use, in place of aluminum arrow, what glue and what fletching. Or what I will do with it having no place to use it.
My Bulldog carbine has a .30 ported barrel and tp, a Pitbull spring, no vrs and has a barrel cut to the length of 24 inches. It will shoot a 152 Noe hp at 911 FPS for the first shot. If you put 4 slugs in the 5 shot magazine, close the bolt on the last empty chamber and a arriow down the barrel and into that last chamber, you can shoot the arrow and have 4 quick hp slugs to follow it.
Wayne, I saw that video, looks fun, but I shoot at 500 FPS and silence us both golden and required here.
Regards,
Roachcreek
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RC that gun is adjusted to full power so it could be turned way down, it's basically going to be a hunter so I choose to leave it on full power. I might try turning it down to try shooting my wadcutters from it sometime.
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I just watched Bin’s video on his new battery powered compressor.
I had a very bad experience with a China gun, my Skyhawk, most of the problems I blame on Diana. The rifle is up and running now and I have a new Meopta 4x20x50 on it. Quickly becoming my favorite gun at under 10 FPE.
The thing that haunts me about my no China products decision is that Dan H writes great things about AEA guns. Dan H and I go back a decade when we both bought Ranger 45’s and wrote extensively about them. Dan H has had some trouble with certain China brands, Dan H writes about the good and bad things truthfully.
And I trust Dan H, so I think AEA has some great products, being a 11 yard shooter these days, they are a bit too powerful for me for the most part, but if I wanted a powerful .30, it would be that 30 cal, 32 inch barreled bullpup.
The best advice, I can now give on China guns and price point guns with all the bells and whistles, is be patient, read, research and don’t jump in without that du dilegence. I did with my Skyhawk and spent a lot of money on it, if I had followed the afore mentioned advice, and listened to what I was told, I would be shooting something else. Second generation guns have the bugs worked out for the most part and are worth the wait in many instances.
Regards,
Roachcreek
Thanks Charlie , I try to call it like it is when it comes to these gun's ... I still have the XP ranger .45 36inch barrel ... ;D .... I was very lucky to have met you on these forum's - you have a vast knowledge of bullet design /casting bullets / powder burners/ air guns , plus the fact you have been Oregon's 1000 yard shooting champion several times says a lot in its self ....
You taught Mike = Knife maker and myself all about casting bullets , and how to correctly size them , what to look for , and what bullet designs work's the best for a given situation ...
I don't know of anyone else who has killed 52 elk :o LOL !... or all the rest of the game that you have taken , maybe Mike on this forum who is a Federal game control guy would come close on total take down's but he does it for a living LOL !
Not buying from China - I get it for sure ... you really have to watch QC on these gun's from China they can be riddled with defects poorly made depending on the manufacture ... I don't mind buying from Chinese people but I really hate benefitting the CCP ...
It is a manufacturing cost problem that that we face today , and I am seeing other countries in Asia other than China stepping up their game like Thailand who now makes great reproduction car parts , and high performance tires that work good also ...
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Dan these AEA guns seem to be better quality than most of my SPA guns are, I've actually been pretty lucky with the SPA's compared to a lot of others but they do have their faults. I think 90% of it were actually QC stuff too.
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It was 51 but thanks.
Spa/Diana really screwed the pooch on my Skyhawk. Love my prod Thailand side lever breech. Having said that, not only Chinese, as JSAR left a few hickies on my neck also.
I have found I have better luck with European products like the CZ goods, the Altaros Booster and my Altaros regulator, my Meopta is also a CZ product.
I also have better luck with the medium priced guns, $500-$1100., the Benjamin Craftsman series, my wonderfully consistent trouble free Bulldog, and AF guns like the Texan LSS 257. That puts the AEA right in the middle, great designs, but just too powerful for me at this point in my life.
Remember when we bought the Rangers, 4 month wait & $1100.
Regards,
Roachcreek
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I was on the list for a Ranger in the early days, got tired of waiting and eventually gave up my spot :)
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I remember when you were researching it.
Riachcreek
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So I had a New Guy ask about a .30 PCP.
I'm sending him to AEA and pointing him to GTA.
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The best advice, I can now give on China guns and price point guns with all the bells and whistles, is be patient, read, research and don’t jump in without that du dilegence.
No, no, no! No one should read internet articles or watch Youtube videos on this. You should just listen to Nomadic Pirate's opinion.
I know this, because Nomadic Pirate told me so ! ;)
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So I had a New Guy ask about a .30 PCP.
I'm sending him to AEA and pointing him to GTA.
From what I'm hearing the .30s from AEA are looking good,......will know first hand in a couple weeks :) :)
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What a bunch of enablers.
RC
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Exactly. 8" barrel and small air cylinder.
Already have a red dot for it
I have been eye balling this one. I'm intrigued with the idea of a .30 Cal, short barrel semi automatic.
Yeaah me too ;D ;D ;D
Well! I could not resist in ordering one. It's on it's way.
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Resistance was futile! You're gonna like it! To me, the worst part of it was the trigger, and a little sanding and polishing remedied that! Also, a Dollar Store bottle brush quieted the PING! And, mine loves the 44.75 grain Hades! ;D
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This guy has some up for sale…
https://foxairpower.com/
I just ordered a .30 pistol from here, shouldn't take too long in getting here, since he's a 2 hr drive away.
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Resistance was futile! You're gonna like it! To me, the worst part of it was the trigger, and a little sanding and polishing remedied that! Also, a Dollar Store bottle brush quieted the PING! And, mine loves the 44.75 grain Hades! ;D
Paul, thanks for the info, a smooth trigger and no ping is essential.
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Cool 2 members buying the pistol I'm interested in,.....looking forward to see what you guys have to say
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And if one of you guys end up not liking it or not getting that warm fuzzy feeling about the gun please keep me in mind if you decide to sell :)
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It was 51 but thanks.
Spa/Diana really screwed the pooch on my Skyhawk. Love my prod Thailand side lever breech. Having said that, not only Chinese, as JSAR left a few hickies on my neck also.
I have found I have better luck with European products like the CZ goods, the Altaros Booster and my Altaros regulator, my Meopta is also a CZ product.
I also have better luck with the medium priced guns, $500-$1100., the Benjamin Craftsman series, my wonderfully consistent trouble free Bulldog, and AF guns like the Texan LSS 257. That puts the AEA right in the middle, great designs, but just too powerful for me at this point in my life.
Remember when we bought the Rangers, 4 month wait & $1100.
Regards,
Roachcreek
Oh yeah I remember the wait for the Ranger ,I had to wait for the XP Badger .40 28inch barrel also for about 5 months I think it was , but I did not care Dan Charged me $599 :o Cedric' tofaz bought one also at that price what a steel those were , and for me it was more than well worth it ... I still have the 36inch barrel Ranger , in fact I just put a new Alpha 6 4.5x27x50 scope on it here is a few pic's of it .... This is one of those guns every man should own just in case he is faced with a charging T REX ! LOL ! :o... ;D ;D... ;)
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Today ?
I would take a Zeus .72 rather then a Ranger .45 :)
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Today ?
I would take a Zeus .72 rather then a Ranger .45 :)
Is that all ? ;D ;D ;D ;D The XP Elephant gun .82 cal {20mm } 36inch barrel on helium is the monster of air gun's today no doubt , one thing to take note on is the .45 ranger is way more flexible with 3 power settings covering 130g to over 600g bullets / round ball .... The .72 or .82 does not have this type of capability ...
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Oh well,....the Zeus is just the cooler gun :)
Also don't like those long broomsticks, I would get a Zeus with the 16" barrel.
It's not always about terminal power,....the Zeus with the 16" barrel has more then plenty.
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Oh well,....the Zeus is just the cooler gun :)
Also don't like those long broomsticks, I would get a Zeus with the 16" barrel.
Maybe put it in a Bullpup stock like the Challenger!
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Oh well,....the Zeus is just the cooler gun :)
Also don't like those long broomsticks, I would get a Zeus with the 16" barrel.
Maybe put it in a Bullpup stock like the Challenger!
Don't they have a .50 cal Bullpup ? AEA sure has a lot of diverse offerings.
it would be easy to fill a complete line up of guns with just AEA products, they offer just about everything, cover all bases.
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Oh well,....the Zeus is just the cooler gun :)
Also don't like those long broomsticks, I would get a Zeus with the 16" barrel.
Maybe put it in a Bullpup stock like the Challenger!
Don't they have a .50 cal Bullpup ? AEA sure has a lot of diverse offerings.
it would be easy to fill a complete line up of guns with just AEA products, they offer just about everything, cover all bases.
You mean kinda like your Evanix list? ... lol
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Oh well,....the Zeus is just the cooler gun :)
Also don't like those long broomsticks, I would get a Zeus with the 16" barrel.
Maybe put it in a Bullpup stock like the Challenger!
Don't they have a .50 cal Bullpup ? AEA sure has a lot of diverse offerings.
it would be easy to fill a complete line up of guns with just AEA products, they offer just about everything, cover all bases.
You mean kinda like your Evanix list? ... lol
LOL :) :) ....yeah, I'm a sucker for a complete line up from one brand and A.E.A. sure has offerings that cover everything, the complete spectrum.........me likes :) :)
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Oh well,....the Zeus is just the cooler gun :)
Also don't like those long broomsticks, I would get a Zeus with the 16" barrel.
Maybe put it in a Bullpup stock like the Challenger!
Don't they have a .50 cal Bullpup ? AEA sure has a lot of diverse offerings.
it would be easy to fill a complete line up of guns with just AEA products, they offer just about everything, cover all bases.
You mean kinda like your Evanix list? ... lol
LOL :) :) ....yeah, I'm a sucker for a complete line up from one brand and A.E.A. sure has offerings that cover everything, the complete spectrum.........me likes :) :)
You getting ready to add a second column to your list??? ;D
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Exactly. 8" barrel and small air cylinder.
Already have a red dot for it
I have been eye balling this one. I'm intrigued with the idea of a .30 Cal, short barrel semi automatic.
Yeaah me too ;D ;D ;D
Good way for a company to make some $$$
Ain't that what they are supposed to do?
I was meaning that in a positive sense...like good for them knowing what consumers want and delivering it. They deserve the money and should make lots of money based on the impressive designs and product line up. They are going to make a lot of money, as they should!
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Oh well,....the Zeus is just the cooler gun :)
Also don't like those long broomsticks, I would get a Zeus with the 16" barrel.
Maybe put it in a Bullpup stock like the Challenger!
Don't they have a .50 cal Bullpup ? AEA sure has a lot of diverse offerings.
it would be easy to fill a complete line up of guns with just AEA products, they offer just about everything, cover all bases.
You mean kinda like your Evanix list? ... lol
LOL :) :) ....yeah, I'm a sucker for a complete line up from one brand and A.E.A. sure has offerings that cover everything, the complete spectrum.........me likes :) :)
You getting ready to add a second column to your list??? ;D
Oh H&## no :) :)
But if I could sell the complete line up I have at the moment in one go I wouldn't mind build a new one made from AEA guns, ....I really like what I see :)
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Just got tracking gun will be here tomorrow. Talk about fast shipping..
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I'm taking a gamble sending Manny my AEA .30
See. If he likes it really well he may offer up one of his remaining Evanix Guns as a possible trade!
;D
Got his .50
Had his .30 Carbine
Traded that back to him for his Max Air .25
A guy asked me where I got my Evanix Guns the other day.
Told him I have a special source in Hawaii!!
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If Manny likes the challenger and you two trade it seems to me that is a win-win situation. I'm interested to read what Manny thinks of the challenger once he has it there.
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Manny is a good Guy. I figure since I'm so seldom home I can't do a really good review.
So why not send it out to him? It will get played with, we'll get an honest review, and most likely a great Manny tale!
;D
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I'm taking a gamble sending Manny my AEA .30
See. If he likes it really well he may offer up one of his remaining Evanix Guns as a possible trade!
;D
Got his .50
Had his .30 Carbine
Traded that back to him for his Max Air .25
A guy asked me where I got my Evanix Guns the other day.
Told him I have a special source in Hawaii!!
I wanted that Mini-Carbine .30 back soooo bad after I sold it to you :) LOL
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Said screw it, and drove to AirGunOne in West Palm Beach today. Came home with a HPSS+. Really like Pablo the owner. Great guy. Knows his stuff.
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Said screw it, and drove to AirGunOne in West Palm Beach today. Came home with a HPSS+. Really like Pablo the owner. Great guy. Knows his stuff.
One guy in the linked page looks familiar from the youtube :) Looks like a decent local dealer to be near https://airgunoneinc.com/#gallery
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Said screw it, and drove to AirGunOne in West Palm Beach today. Came home with a HPSS+. Really like Pablo the owner. Great guy. Knows his stuff.
:) cool, lets us see what you got.
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Here you go.
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Woe is me with my menial UTG scope on my AEA HP 25 cal, Bill that Sight Mark scope looks just like what the doctor ordered for early sunrise type scenario's for the kind of woods hunting that I'm so use to doing. When I seen that scope mounted on your AEA it caused me to start researching those scopes. Some of those "Sight Marks" can be very pricey, I did find a factory demo like yours for $450 but some of them scopes are super expensive compared to that one. Sure is a mighty fine looking setup you have there.
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Here you go.
Sweet looking gun Bill. Looking forward to hear how it shoots.
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Should have some video after this weekend.
The sightmark came from Basspro. I think I paid $450. Initially, it was defective and I sent it in.
Sightmark replaced it with a brand new one, which sat in the closet until now. The Aea is the perfect home for it. (For now) lol
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Cool little Carbine,.....I'm a fan of little guns
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How did the airbolts diy project go with the Amazon pads?
Roachcreek
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To my surprise the .30 Cal HP SS with 8" barrel was delivered but with the heavy rains today
I am unable to test it.
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How did the airbolts diy project go with the Amazon pads?
Roachcreek
Worked. Too well. Passed through a target made for 200# crossbows, through the backstop, kept going into the forest. Am going to have to come up with a much more robust method of stopping the arrows if I am going to keep playing with them. Of course I immediately made 3 more arrows and put broadheads on them. Just for a rainy day...
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To my surprise the .30 Cal HP SS with 8" barrel was delivered but with the heavy rains today
I am unable to test it.
That's the one !!!!.....in your opinion is it small enough to be used as a pistol ?
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That's the one !!!!.....in your opinion is it small enough to be used as a pistol ?
I would think so, without the folding stock total length is 16.5"
The shroud is 10" and needed for proper blowback.
It's very loud without a pellet but they claim that is quieter than
the Challenger. We will see once the rain stops.
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If you could, is there a chance you could take a picture as if you aiming it as a pistol with the magazine inserted ?
would like to have an Idea of how high open sights need to be, if not it's ok.
Thanks
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If you could, is there a chance you could take a picture as if you aiming it as a pistol with the magazine inserted ?
would like to have an Idea of how high open sights need to be, if not it's ok.
Thanks
Here you go. The right corner sit about 3/16" above the center of the dovetail.
It looks like a dovetail open/peep sight would clear. IMO.
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Thank you sooooo much, that looks real good iron sights can be real low it looks like
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Bob's latest video on the AEA Zeus .72 ... It looks- like I want it ! LOL ! The side lever design locks in place , and that looks to be very safe for what is being accomplished ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXOkC6JN5as (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXOkC6JN5as)
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What a beast! Not sure I need it for rats, but that would be a blast! Literally! ;D
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What a beast! Not sure I need it for rats, but that would be a blast! Literally! ;D
Certainly would make that bear do something in the woods :)
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With that gun Paul it'd be like watching the old comedian Gallagher lol!
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Jared,
What are you using for fletching? Over penetration is a problem. Do they shoot to the same point as lead?
Thanks.
That is such a cool and handy looking carbine.
Roachcreek
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Missing bolt handle fixed with a part laying around my house.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=7994)
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Would love to have a Zeus with 16" barrel and the air reservoir to match.
just handling these big bullets must put a huge smile on your face :) :)
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Got the bolt fixed and the 66 grn bullets packed up.
I'll get it out to you this week sometime Manny.
Still holding air just fine!
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Got the bolt fixed and the 66 grn bullets packed up.
I'll get it out to you this week sometime Manny.
Still holding air just fine!
Sweet,...looking forward to the challenge :) :)
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Tried the Hunter Supply 133 grn bullets.
They would be single load IF they worked.
Problem was they won't seat. Had to put a rod down the barrel to get it out!
Maybe if one resized them they would fit.
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What is the current FPE on that .30 ?
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Here is the first round of testing for the .72 cal. from Mr. Hollowpoint.
https://youtu.be/pdSMJkuZFH4
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What is the current FPE on that .30 ?
Never set up the LabRadar to check. That's why I'm sending it to you!
So you can do all the grunt work!
;D ;)
Honestly? I have SO much work to cover I just do not have the time to play!
2 projects in Columbus, a warehouse in Marion being converted, a site in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, site in Shelby Ohio, warehouse in Bucyrus......
And those are just what I'm sure of right now!
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Here is the first round of testing for the .72 cal. from Mr. Hollowpoint.
Now we need the targets view! Power without accuracy is wasted.
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What a beast! Not sure I need it for rats, but that would be a blast! Literally! ;D
I think if you had that gun the rats would all pack up and move on out ! LOL ! I remember years back ccalls i think is what he went by on here shot a crow with the .72 on helium , and it was just feathers laying around left after impact at around 1200 fps !
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Pretty wood on that stock.
Well seems that the Zeus is a veritable beast :)
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What is the current FPE on that .30 ?
Never set up the LabRadar to check. That's why I'm sending it to you!
So you can do all the grunt work!
;D ;)
Honestly? I have SO much work to cover I just do not have the time to play!
2 projects in Columbus, a warehouse in Marion being converted, a site in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, site in Shelby Ohio, warehouse in Bucyrus......
And those are just what I'm sure of right now!
Haha, I have a window the 22nd and 23rd of July to chrono unless I order one of them amazon barrel ones, that I've been thinking of and this might be the kick in the butt to do it :) :)
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A full magazine of .30 Baracuda's and a tin of the 66 grn Hunter Supply are in the box.
Removing the scope and taking the stock off now to finish packing for shipping.
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A full magazine of .30 Baracuda's and a tin of the 66 grn Hunter Supply are in the box.
Removing the scope and taking the stock off now to finish packing for shipping.
OK I'm gonna start digging out the various .30 bullets that I put away since they didn't shoot in my Storms .30
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You'll see on the box where the original bolt handle went!
Probably rough handling since there's a great big hole in the box!
The metal part I added I actually like better then the stock part having shot Chris's .30 in Iowa.
I may change it to black IF I get it back.
;)
Time with this Gun and Evanix could be out the window.
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Jared,
What are you using for fletching? Over penetration is a problem. Do they shoot to the same point as lead?
Thanks.
That is such a cool and handy looking carbine.
Roachcreek
I removed the fletching. So far I have only fired an arrow once. When I was going through my quiver to get a 2219 I saw an arrow that had most of the fletching damaged/gone so I used that instead - a fiberglass mix arrow. I didn't cut it down any, and the resulting "airbolt" stuck a couple of inches out of the end of the shroud. Weighed 432 gr.
I am not sure if the POI will match the lead POI since I have only fired one shot and it didn't, um, cooperate and stay in the target. Huge over penetration. Maybe wouldn't be a problem if I was hunting a whale or African elephant...
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I also think that the key is to have something in the muzzle end to center the arrow like the AirBolts have
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Posted my video odysee dot com. Search for hpss+, it comes up as the first video.
(I can't post links here).
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Posted my video odysee dot com. Search for hpss+, it comes up as the first video.
(I can't post links here).
https://odysee.com/@cyberbillp:e/hpss+:4
I didn't watch it all, I'm doing 5 things at once right now, but on the paper at 50 first shot, then with your adjustments pretty consistent, and nice shooting btw..
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Yup. That's about it. Thanks!
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Manny,
That oring…..
Is it just a single o’ring stretched over the shaft, a little smaller in diameter than a breech o’ring? And is it’s job to center the shaft at the muzzle only, or is it further down the shaft and is a bore rider”
Thanks,
Roachcreek
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On the airbolts it's an aluminum tapered piece that fits on the end of the shaft where the head screws on. It butts up against the muzzle and centers the arrow shaft in the bore.
Nathan
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Charlie,.....what Nathan said, well explained.
Also the .357 Airbolts have a 4-5" of velcro as a bore rider where usually the flecthing is
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Just watched the video, seems like AEA has the Semi function down
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Manny I still haven't had a jamb with mine yet, eventually I probably will, so far I figure I've got about 500 rounds through it so far.
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Yeah Wayne of the negatives I've read on them guns the Semi action hasn't been in there,....good job at making a reliable one
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Just watched the video, seems like AEA has the Semi function down
Yea, my only issue was when I changed a mag and didn't press the bolt home. It takes effort to press the first pellet into the chamber. I did the same thing for the next round, but noticed and pressed it in. No problems then.
When it's running normal, it "cough's" out each round. When I f'd it up, it made a resounding "PING" sound. There's no way you can miss the different report when you are the operator.
From here on out, unless you really want a bolt action, I can't see why anyone wouldn't just go ahead with a semi-auto. Now..... Will it last for years? Only time will tell.
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I wonder if blunts could be turned down on a belt sander to duplicate that. taper.
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I wonder if blunts could be turned down on a belt sander to duplicate that. taper.
There's several rubber/plastic blunts that slip over the shaft and are tapered, that is where I'm going to start looking at, cut the front off so can screw the point and broadhead on.
https://www.3riversarchery.com/3rivers-bunny-buster-small-game-blunts.html (https://www.3riversarchery.com/3rivers-bunny-buster-small-game-blunts.html)
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Manny,
Those are the ones I am looking at.
I see blunts with a 8mm size, would that work also?
I ordered 3’4 inch Velcro tape also.
Waiting on the arrows for now in case I find a 6 pack of 2219 26 inch arrows. I would rather use carbon arrows, but I am ignorant on what carbon arrows are the same dimensions to the 2219.
Roachcreek
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Manny,
Those are the ones I am looking at.
I see blunts with a 8mm size, would that work also?
Roachcreek
Well it all depends what size shaft you end up getting, I will be measuring the OD of my Airbolts so I can start researching what shafts to buy and then what blunt to buy,......still would prefer that the .357 AirBolts come back into production
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I am curious to what that airbolt measurement will be.
Yes, I would rather buy them from PA, but they are AirVenturi products, AV uses a lot of asian products, right now asia is experiencing a major Covid surge, I have waited for well over a year now, put WTB adds to no avail, time to start making them.
Rc
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I am curious to what that airbolt measurement will be.
Yes, I would rather buy them from PA, but they are AirVenturi products, AV uses a lot of asian products, right now asia is experiencing a major Covid surge, I have waited for well over a year now, put WTB adds to no avail, time to start making them.
Rc
measured my airbolts and the shaft OD is .265
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I am curious to what that airbolt measurement will be.
Yes, I would rather buy them from PA, but they are AirVenturi products, AV uses a lot of asian products, right now asia is experiencing a major Covid surge, I have waited for well over a year now, put WTB adds to no avail, time to start making them.
Rc
measured my airbolts and the shaft OD is .265
So I'm looking at this set from 3Rivers
https://www.3riversarchery.com/easton-bowhunter-carbon-shafts.html (https://www.3riversarchery.com/easton-bowhunter-carbon-shafts.html)
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That $25 set of a dozen arrows I got off of Amazon seems to work surprisingly well the fiberglass ones. Smaller than the 9mm rubber bumpers I bought but I'll measure them when I get home from work. I was surprised at those cheap arrows held up to the pressure but it did all the way through the target and the back stop and gone
outer shaft diameter .314 or 8 mm
An 8 mm o ring near the end should keep it perfectly straight in the barrel, though when I tried mine out without anything on the barrel end it seemed to work fine as well
these:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F780JXM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F780JXM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
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Manny are going to have them cut? How about inserts on one end?
Roachcreek
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Manny are going to have them cut? How about inserts on one end?
Roachcreek
You will need to cut them to length to match your barrel, The Airbolts I first cut for the 19.5" barrel and then re cut them to fit the 14.5" barrel
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Here you go Charlie if you feel like doing a bit of reading
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=168472.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=168472.0)
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I had read that, Amazing job.
With the Bulldog, I can load 4, 152 hp and then manually index the magazine while pulling the trigger and lowering the side lever, this allows for the BD to have 4 in the magazine on a empty chamber, then I will put the airbolt down the barrel, carry it that way.
So long story short first shot brodhead, next 4 152 HP’s @ 880 FPS. Not much can stand up to that.
I will just follow your lead on ordering. with the exception that my arrow will be 25 “and let them instal the inserts on the pointy end.
Roachcreek
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This is what I think I'm gonna get,
6.5mm and 340 Spine
https://www.3riversarchery.com/easton-bowhunter-carbon-shafts.html (https://www.3riversarchery.com/easton-bowhunter-carbon-shafts.html)
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Exactly. 8" barrel and small air cylinder.
Already have a red dot for it
I have been eye balling this one. I'm intrigued with the idea of a .30 Cal, short barrel semi automatic.
Yeaah me too ;D ;D ;D
Good way for a company to make some $$$
Ain't that what they are supposed to do?
I was meaning that in a positive sense...like good for them knowing what consumers want and delivering it. They deserve the money and should make lots of money based on the impressive designs and product line up. They are going to make a lot of money, as they should!
Spent a good amount of time on their catalog after following this thread and having some knowledge of their products already. Wow.
Two things stand out. Number 1: Aesthetically good lookiing. Lots of cheap brands like Hatsan make hideous looking rifles. 2: Really hitting home runs with features like larger bore and semiauto.
Really, they deserve some money for listening and delivering what the consumer wants. Shocking that Crosman can't do the same in the same degree.
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Two things stand out. Number 1: Aesthetically good lookiing. Lots of cheap brands like Hatsan make hideous looking rifles. 2: Really hitting home runs with features like larger bore and semiauto.
Really, they deserve some money for listening and delivering what the consumer wants. Shocking that Crosman can't do the same in the same degree.
So I'm not alone in thinking the Hatsan are fugly? I love their wood stocked rifles, but the polymer line up is yeech!
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Two things stand out. Number 1: Aesthetically good lookiing. Lots of cheap brands like Hatsan make hideous looking rifles. 2: Really hitting home runs with features like larger bore and semiauto.
Really, they deserve some money for listening and delivering what the consumer wants. Shocking that Crosman can't do the same in the same degree.
So I'm not alone in thinking the Hatsan are fugly? I love their wood stocked rifles, but the polymer line up is yeech!
You not alone Brother, you not alone :) :) Hahaha
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I have a third AEA on the way. A .30 carbine. It will be the first semi I own.
Dave
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I have a third AEA on the way. A .30 carbine. It will be the first semi I own.
Dave
Looking forward to hear about it.
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Manny it's going to be a while because the gun will be here tomorrow however for some odd reason NOE canceled my order for the 30 cal pellet mold, I'm going to contact them this morning but it probably won't be til around 9AM because Utah is a couple hours behind our time. They show 5 molds available too. Something weird happened evidently because they've never canceled an order that I've ever done before. The thing that's nice about NOE is the fact Al always answers the phone himself.
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Manny it's going to be a while because the gun will be here tomorrow however for some odd reason NOE canceled my order for the 30 cal pellet mold, I'm going to contact them this morning but it probably won't be til around 9AM because Utah is a couple hours behind our time. They show 5 molds available too. Something weird happened evidently because they've never canceled an order that I've ever done before. The thing that's nice about NOE is the fact Al always answers the phone himself.
Well Wayne, I know one way or an other you will find the bullet that matches your gun :)
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Ok, without having to read all 11 pages of this thread, what's the consensus on AEA rifles? They look good and the price is attractive, but how do they perform? How good/bad is the after sales support? What's parts availability like (o-rings and other often replaced parts)?
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Ok, without having to read all 11 pages of this thread, what's the consensus on AEA rifles? They look good and the price is attractive, but how do they perform? How good/bad is the after sales support? What's parts availability like (o-rings and other often replaced parts)?
Pablo, I have not had a problem with my .30 cal Challenger Carbine, so have not had to seek parts or service. However, I previously owned an AEA Backpacker semi-auto that did have an issue with cycling when fill pressure was above 2500 psi. The gun took a 3300 psi fill per the manual and the markings on the gun. Bin (the US Importer) was very responsive when I e-mailed him, in fact, he sent me his cell number and asked me to call him to discuss the issue over the phone instead of going back and forth in e-mail. I don't know if the issue has been resolved with newer semi-auto rifles or not, I always felt if it had been regulated to around 2300 psi, the problem would be resolved since the unregulated pressure above 2500 psi was deemed to be what was causing the problem with the semi-auto functioning. If I only filled to 2500 psi, I had no issues at all.
Now, having said that, I am extremely happy with my Challenger! The thing is a beast and will stack 44.75 grain JSB Hades in one hole at 40 yards! I have a couple testing videos in the Hunting Gate where I have taken small rats with it at 40 yards. Shot placement is always consistent and spot on. Those rats don't go running off or flip flopping all over the place, they just slam into the backstop and stay there DRT! So, if it's the Challenger you are looking at, I really feel it's about the best deal going right now if you're looking to get into the Big Bore arena at a budget friendly price! BTW< I have the $359.99 Challenger with the 24" barrel.
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Loving the HPSS+.
I've only got about 100 shots through it though. Was told when I bought it; overfilling it will cause it to not cycle correctly. I've only charged to 3400psi and its been fine. (4 mags with plenty to spare)
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Having a semi auto makes you shoot more pellets. I need to order a couple more magazines.
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Loving the HPSS+.
I've only got about 100 shots through it though. Was told when I bought it; overfilling it will cause it to not cycle correctly. I've only charged to 3400psi and its been fine. (4 mags with plenty to spare)
Updating: The trigger smoothed out. I'm charging to 3600 psi. The gun cycles perfectly and I get a full 6 mags in the green. Loving this thing. My favorite rifle right now.
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Loving the HPSS+.
I've only got about 100 shots through it though. Was told when I bought it; overfilling it will cause it to not cycle correctly. I've only charged to 3400psi and its been fine. (4 mags with plenty to spare)
Updating: The trigger smoothed out. I'm charging to 3600 psi. The gun cycles perfectly and I get a full 6 mags in the green. Loving this thing. My favorite rifle right now.
All I can say is that there is a lot of AEA owners out there that are super stoked and the company seems to be improving fast,......looking good.
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I"m looking for the AEA .22 standard challenger. How stiff is the bolt action on these guns?
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I"m looking for the AEA .22 standard challenger. How stiff is the bolt action on these guns?
The .30 I tested the bolt was anything but hard, actually very, very managable
I found bolts in Hatsans and Marauders way, way worse.
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I"m looking for the AEA .22 standard challenger. How stiff is the bolt action on these guns?
Buddy that's the one that I've been waiting to see in stock again, it seems the only Challengers are the bullpups in .22 caliber and I don't even want a bullpup for hunting.
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Just found this thread and haven't read through all 12 pages yet. I am really seriously considering ordering an AEA .45 or .50 Challenger Bullpup. I know the closest thing out right now is the .357 so I would love to hear from other's experience.
The .45 is more appealing to me with the higher availability of ammo. Is there anyone else besides NSA that makes good .50 slugs? There just don't seem to be a lot of .50 ammo out there. To me the advantage of the .50 is the ability to hurl some really heavy round ball ammo.
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Just found this thread and haven't read through all 12 pages yet. I am really seriously considering ordering an AEA .45 or .50 Challenger Bullpup. I know the closest thing out right now is the .357 so I would love to hear from other's experience.
The .45 is more appealing to me with the higher availability of ammo. Is there anyone else besides NSA that makes good .50 slugs? There just don't seem to be a lot of .50 ammo out there. To me the advantage of the .50 is the ability to hurl some really heavy round ball ammo.
Just read through all 12 pages... very close to placing a pre-order for a .45 or .50 CH BP.
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Check out Mr. Hollow point, I got my .50 cal. slugs from him.
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Anyone know the actual bore diameter of the AEA .45 and .50? It does seem like the AEA stuff likes Mr. HP ammo.
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Just saw an impressive video on AEA. Pretty cool stuff. Been watching videos here and there. A couple models in particar are pretty cool. The semi auto in .25 is pretty nice.
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.495 to .498 is what Bin says.
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I showed the Fox video to my wife and said I was thinking about getting it for myself for Christmas, she was impressed with the rifle. I'm very close to placing an order. Thanks for the tip on the bore. Also curious about twist rate if anyone knows that.
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The big advantage for the .45 is if it's using the .452 bore there's a ton of .45 pistol bullets sold by many casters.
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I wish their 50 and 72 cal were not so ugly. Their other rifles have a sleeker look. The Zeus looks aesthetically imbalanced. I suppose it is balancing with the power haha. Still a cool gun. The only other gun same size and larger being made was by Extreme Bug Bore. I haven't heard much from them, however.
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The big advantage for the .45 is if it's using the .452 bore there's a ton of .45 pistol bullets sold by many casters.
Yes, I'm really leaning towards the .45 just due to the sheer volume of ammo sizes out there. The .50 is nice for shooting round ball, but that's the only advantage I can see. I don't know if the .45 Challenger is .452 or .457, but either would be fine, just wanting to know before I order so I can order ammo as well. The Fox website doesn't list the .45, but the other vendors do. I've heard of people ordering from Bin without issue, but his legal stuff makes me really hesitate, but also makes me want to order one soon in case there are no more coming in the future!
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I wish their 50 and 72 cal were not so ugly. Their other rifles have a sleeker look. The Zeus looks aesthetically imbalanced. I suppose it is balancing with the power haha. Still a cool gun. The only other gun same size and larger being made was by Extreme Bug Bore. I haven't heard much from them, however.
The Zeus Carbine looks fantastic in my opinion
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/aea-zeus-carbine-ready-to-rock/?referrer=1 (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/aea-zeus-carbine-ready-to-rock/?referrer=1)
Those longer barreled ones look funky in my opinion,...the 32" bullpups in particular look silly to me :)
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I ordered the .50 long stock because I wanted to make sure I met Indiana's Requirement of minimum .40 cal.and 400 fpe. So far I've had nothing but good to say about Bin. He answers my emails right away and has been very helpful to me. And as far as .50 cal. goes I think Mr. Hollow point makes about any thing you like.
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I ordered the .50 long stock because I wanted to make sure I met Indiana's Requirement of minimum .40 cal.and 400 fpe. So far I've had nothing but good to say about Bin. He answers my emails right away and has been very helpful to me. And as far as .50 cal. goes I think Mr. Hollow point makes about any thing you like.
Mr. HP does make them, but definitely more expensive than .45 options on the market. I'm leaning towards the .50 bullpup because it should still deliver 400-ish FPE with Hornaday .495 round ball. With a .495 bore it should also shoot the Seneca .50 cal slugs pretty well, and they aren't too bad on price. The video Fox Air uploaded on the .50 Challenger Bullpup has them hitting 600+ FPE with a 300 grain slug at 950 fps, the Seneca should deliver pretty close. I'll have to go back and watch the video again and see if he says who made the slugs used in the test.
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I sent an email to Bin asking about the bore size on the .45 and he confirmed it is .457 bore. I also sent an email to Fox to see if they have tried .495 round ball. Right now I'm leaning .45 but will wait a few days and see if I still want it.
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The problem with .50 ammo is that there's way more .510 options on the market then .495
so if you get a .495 gun it's going to be hard to get higher weighs bullets
.495 guns usually shoot the EPP/UG and roundballs well.
I buy Hornady Roundballs, and EPP/UG either from Hunter supply ( price gouging at the moment ) or Air Venturi
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The problem with .50 ammo is that there's way more .510 options on the market then .495
so if you get a .495 gun it's going to be hard to get higher weighs bullets
.495 guns usually shoot the EPP/UG and roundballs well.
I buy Hornady Roundballs, and EPP/UG either from Hunter supply ( price gouging at the moment ) or Air Venturi
What's EPP/UG? I'm really leaning .457 given the ammo options and the same muzzle energy as the .495. There are also more bullet molds for casting my own. Not sure if swaging is feasible at a small scale hobbyist level.
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Yeah .457 and .495 is so close that the availability of .457 heavy store ammo surely would tip the balance,
EPP/UG
https://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=50-210A (https://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=50-210A)
Also I've not been able to find any sizing dies for .495 so that even makes the casting for that caliber harder.
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Yeah .457 and .495 is so close that the availability of .457 heavy store ammo surely would tip the balance,
EPP/UG
https://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=50-210A (https://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=50-210A)
Also I've not been able to find any sizing dies for .495 so that even makes the casting for that caliber harder.
Yeah, I am probably going to place my order for the .45 CH BP, some round ball, and some slugs tonight. This winter I might try my hand at casting and sizing. Any good threads for making big bore ammo? I imagine it's basically the same thing the muzzle loader/black powder crowd are making.
Do you have a thread reviewing the AEA that was sent to you by another member?
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Dj it's in "Boolits and Pellet Casting" which is a childboard in "Projectiles"
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=229.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=229.0)
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I just talked to Bin ,and he said he is picking up the gun's Monday .... ;D the new side lever gun's . I have the .357 32 inch barrel bullpup ordered from him , and have the nice Aims-sports Alpha 6 scope for it ... I liked the .30 32 inch so much that I had to get the .357 ,... that .30 32 bullpup shoulder's a lot lighter in the field than my .357 standard challenger with 24 inch barrel plus the extra 8 inches of barrel on the 32 should yield decent gain in FPE using the bigger g bullets ....
The cool thing about these long barrel bullpups is the crazy power they produce yet they are shorter than my compact DAR guns ,and they bench shoot really well with the way the stock is designed ... out in the field hands down the bullpup long barrel is by far the best if you are going out in the field ,and bench shooting is as stated fantastic also ....
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I just talked to Bin ,and he said he is picking up the gun's Monday .... ;D the new side lever gun's . I have the .357 32 inch barrel bullpup ordered from him , and have the nice Aims-sports Alpha 6 scope for it ... I liked the .30 32 inch so much that I had to get the .357 ,... that .30 32 bullpup shoulder's a lot lighter in the field than my .357 standard challenger with 24 inch barrel plus the extra 8 inches of barrel on the 32 should yield decent gain in FPE using the bigger g bullets ....
The cool thing about these long barrel bullpups is the crazy power they produce yet they are shorter than my compact DAR guns ,and they bench shoot really well with the way the stock is designed ... out in the field hands down the bullpup long barrel is by far the best if you are going out in the field ,and bench shooting is as stated fantastic also ....
Is that including .45's? I'm one anxiety filled click away from placing an order on Bin's website. The folks at Fox got their .50 Bullpup to 608 FPE using 300 grain .498 EPP-UG slugs. Will wait on a scope until I get some trigger time using one of my red dot sights. I plan on keeping shots under 75 yards, so a 2-7 x 50 or something like that.
Update: I placed the order with Bin. Hopefully I get a solid rifle and have no issues.
Update 2: Ordered some NSA Slugs and Seneca round ball. We shall see what shows up first.
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I wish their 50 and 72 cal were not so ugly. Their other rifles have a sleeker look. The Zeus looks aesthetically imbalanced. I suppose it is balancing with the power haha. Still a cool gun. The only other gun same size and larger being made was by Extreme Bug Bore. I haven't heard much from them, however.
The Zeus Carbine looks fantastic in my opinion
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/aea-zeus-carbine-ready-to-rock/?referrer=1 (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/aea-zeus-carbine-ready-to-rock/?referrer=1)
Those longer barreled ones look funky in my opinion,...the 32" bullpups in particular look silly to me :)
Oh nice I like that look a lot more.
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I sent an email to Bin asking about the bore size on the .45 and he confirmed it is .457 bore. I also sent an email to Fox to see if they have tried .495 round ball. Right now I'm leaning .45 but will wait a few days and see if I still want it.
when I talked to Bin back on July 16th after ordering the 45 BP he said .457 but wasn't sure until he had one in his hands ,I wonder what has changed, I ordered and already received some .457 ammo ,gonna wait till I can verify the bore to order molds.
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I just talked to Bin ,and he said he is picking up the gun's Monday .... ;D the new side lever gun's . I have the .357 32 inch barrel bullpup ordered from him , and have the nice Aims-sports Alpha 6 scope for it ... I liked the .30 32 inch so much that I had to get the .357 ,... that .30 32 bullpup shoulder's a lot lighter in the field than my .357 standard challenger with 24 inch barrel plus the extra 8 inches of barrel on the 32 should yield decent gain in FPE using the bigger g bullets ....
The cool thing about these long barrel bullpups is the crazy power they produce yet they are shorter than my compact DAR guns ,and they bench shoot really well with the way the stock is designed ... out in the field hands down the bullpup long barrel is by far the best if you are going out in the field ,and bench shooting is as stated fantastic also ....
Is that including .45's? I'm one anxiety filled click away from placing an order on Bin's website. The folks at Fox got their .50 Bullpup to 608 FPE using 300 grain .498 EPP-UG slugs. Will wait on a scope until I get some trigger time using one of my red dot sights. I plan on keeping shots under 75 yards, so a 2-7 x 50 or something like that.
Update: I placed the order with Bin. Hopefully I get a solid rifle and have no issues.
Update 2: Ordered some NSA Slugs and Seneca round ball. We shall see what shows up first.
For Roundball get Hornady both in .457 or .495 they are the best.
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Eveybody remember one thing, Ed from Edgun touched on this a long time ago,
......Yes long barrels will give you more power but also with the relative low velocity we shoot our airguns they are also way more hard to shoot accurately, Yes if you have your gun in a vice it's ok but if you put any variable into the mix a shorter barrel is easier to be accurate with then a longer barrel because the projectile takes a long time to exit.
I found that one out with the 28" Bulldog barrel, if I did everything right it was real accurate, but the smallest mistake and bye bye.
I will not ever get a PCP with a barrel longer then 20" again,....go check Ed's video about accuracy with shorter barrels, the guy knows more then most big mouths around the forums.
One project I had in mind was to get a Bulldog, cut off 8" of barrel, cut the shroud even with the end of the airtube and I bet it would make a sweet Bullpup,......I might still do it if I ever get a shop again and spare funds.
I had the same Idea for the AEA Challenger .30,.....so many projects ideas so little money to execute :( :( :(
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[/quote]I sent an email to Bin asking about the bore size on the .45 and he confirmed it is .457 bore. I also sent an email to Fox to see if they have tried .495 round ball. Right now I'm leaning .45 but will wait a few days and see if I still want it.
when I talked to Bin back on July 16th after ordering the 45 BP he said .457 but wasn't sure until he had one in his hands ,I wonder what has changed, I ordered and already received some .457 ammo ,gonna wait till I can verify the bore to order molds.
What do you use to verify the bore?
I ordered 50x 302 grain hollow core slugs and 50x 340 grain slugs from NSA and 100x Seneca .457 round ball. I decided not to wait a few days and went ahead and placed my order. Last time I waited and waffled on an air rifle they were all sold out.
Eveybody remember one thing, Ed from Edgun touched on this a long time ago,
......Yes long barrels will give you more power but also with the relative low velocity we shoot our airguns they are also way more hard to shoot accurately, Yes if you have your gun in a vice it's ok but if you put any variable into the mix a shorter barrel is easier to be accurate with then a longer barrel because the projectile takes a long time to exit.
I found that one out with the 28" Bulldog barrel, if I did everything right it was real accurate, but the smallest mistake and bye bye.
I will not ever get a PCP with a barrel longer then 20" again,....go check Ed's video about accuracy with shorter barrels, the guy knows more then most big mouths around the forums.
One project I had in mind was to get a Bulldog, cut off 8" of barrel, cut the shroud even with the end of the airtube and I bet it would make a sweet Bullpup,......I might still do it if I ever get a shop again and spare funds.
I had the same Idea for the AEA Challenger .30,.....so many projects ideas so little money to execute :( :( :(
I have mixed opinions on long barrels, we will see how I like this one on the Challenger when it gets here. I agree that mistakes are amplified with a long barrel, but it also has the higher potential accuracy when compared to a SBR.
I wanted to get Hornaday or Speer, but most places were sold out and the one place that had Speer in stock would not ship to Maine. The Seneca balls have the same weight as the Hornaday and I bet they are just rebranded.
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DJ , I didn't verify the bore dia , just took a chance and ordered some slugs from ebay at .457 dia ,sounds like Bin has got some more info on the 45 , hope he's right because I've ordered and received two different molds from Lee, I'll wait to order NOE molds since they cost so much more, molds in .457 are kinda hard to find.
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These are the slugs I've been able to find so far
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Eveybody remember one thing, Ed from Edgun touched on this a long time ago,
......Yes long barrels will give you more power but also with the relative low velocity we shoot our airguns they are also way more hard to shoot accurately, Yes if you have your gun in a vice it's ok but if you put any variable into the mix a shorter barrel is easier to be accurate with then a longer barrel because the projectile takes a long time to exit.
I found that one out with the 28" Bulldog barrel, if I did everything right it was real accurate, but the smallest mistake and bye bye.
I will not ever get a PCP with a barrel longer then 20" again,....go check Ed's video about accuracy with shorter barrels, the guy knows more then most big mouths around the forums.
One project I had in mind was to get a Bulldog, cut off 8" of barrel, cut the shroud even with the end of the airtube and I bet it would make a sweet Bullpup,......I might still do it if I ever get a shop again and spare funds.
I had the same Idea for the AEA Challenger .30,.....so many projects ideas so little money to execute :( :( :(
Yeah coming from M4s, dwell time has a new meaning in airguns. That is a good point Manny, we often forget about the impact of longer barrels on our accuracy. It is a hard balance. It always amazes me just how much Edguns fit the bill of excellence in concept.
Back to AEA, what levels of energy are the Carbine Zeus' getting? Is there a .50 cal of the Zeus (easier to get that ammo now)?
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These are the slugs I've been able to find so far
We will have to compare notes, my chorno should be here today. I went with NSA since their slugs work so well in my Eagle Claw. I'm hoping it does well on round ball for less expensive ammo that might be available locally. I figure if the ammo I ordered doesn't work, I'll cast it into something that does. NSA also offers different diameters for 45, so maybe he would do an exchange? I went with the heavier options since they were the same price as the lighter slugs, plus the 302 grain hollow core are supposed to be amazing against large game.
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Yeah the .50 slugs may be expensive but I don't know what most guys do with a .50 big bore air rifle but all I want to do is get it sighted in for deer hunting and then I'm set. I'm sure at first being new and all I'll shoot it a little more but basically once it's sighted in I'll treat it like my slug gun or muzzle loader, it sits in the safe till deer season.
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Yeah the .50 slugs may be expensive but I don't know what most guys do with a .50 big bore air rifle but all I want to do is get it sighted in for deer hunting and then I'm set. I'm sure at first being new and all I'll shoot it a little more but basically once it's sighted in I'll treat it like my slug gun or muzzle loader, it sits in the safe till deer season.
I'll do that with expensive slugs, but I'm hoping to do some recreational shooting with the rifle with lighter ammo at lower power levels as well. I definitely understand wanting to save it for hunting only. I live out in the country so once I get a casting setup going I can shoot very inexpensively. In my old life I used to shoot M4's and M9's all the time, but it wasn't really enjoyable for me so not something I did on my own time. For the last five years I never had any interest in shooting until we ordered the Eagle Claw for potential predators bothering our livestock. That was like opening Pandora's box and now here we are talking about big bore ammo ;D
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Eveybody remember one thing, Ed from Edgun touched on this a long time ago,
......Yes long barrels will give you more power but also with the relative low velocity we shoot our airguns they are also way more hard to shoot accurately, Yes if you have your gun in a vice it's ok but if you put any variable into the mix a shorter barrel is easier to be accurate with then a longer barrel because the projectile takes a long time to exit.
I found that one out with the 28" Bulldog barrel, if I did everything right it was real accurate, but the smallest mistake and bye bye.
I will not ever get a PCP with a barrel longer then 20" again,....go check Ed's video about accuracy with shorter barrels, the guy knows more then most big mouths around the forums.
One project I had in mind was to get a Bulldog, cut off 8" of barrel, cut the shroud even with the end of the airtube and I bet it would make a sweet Bullpup,......I might still do it if I ever get a shop again and spare funds.
I had the same Idea for the AEA Challenger .30,.....so many projects ideas so little money to execute :( :( :(
Yeah coming from M4s, dwell time has a new meaning in airguns. That is a good point Manny, we often forget about the impact of longer barrels on our accuracy. It is a hard balance. It always amazes me just how much Edguns fit the bill of excellence in concept.
Back to AEA, what levels of energy are the Carbine Zeus' getting? Is there a .50 cal of the Zeus (easier to get that ammo now)?
I can tell you by my own experience shooting long barrels 36 , 32 , 28 there is absolutely no issues with accuracy of the barrels ... I have TJ barrels on 2 of the XP air guns , and the AEA 32 LW barrel I think it is unless they changed .... all 3 are very accurate with correct bullet or pellet ,and hold ... and as far as hold goes they are hold sensitive big bore are - you just have to get used to the particular gun ,and figure out what it takes hold wise ...
The example that I would have is .45 XP ranger 36 inch barrel that has 2 power settings where you can go out to 5-600 g bullet on high power 4300 psi down to a 140 g round ball at 3300 psi where it begins low power - 275g bullet and below on low power ...so on the same gun un reged things change from 4300 psi to below 2000 psi ,and 600 g to 140 g .... it's honestly shooting the gun a lot ,and learning the gun shot by shot , .. My favorite way to test big bores is to tether to a steel 500cf dot tank at a given pressure to shoot the matching g bullet that I cast /size .. The cool thing is you can replicate / practice certain pressure and g bullet a lot with that much air ,and be able to figure out what the gun likes because if you don't make the gun happy with the proper design /sized/ weight /pressure pushed bullet LOL ! , it;s not going to make you happy .... ;)
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Well some people just don't get it, cannot help that :) :) LOL
....And they just drive off on tangents ;D ;D ;D ;D
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And some people just can't help themselves ;)
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Well some people just don't get it, cannot help that :) :) LOL
....And they just drive off on tangents ;D ;D ;D ;D
LOL ! I think ol Manny was looking in the mirror as he posted this .... ;D ;D ;D
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I'm gonna drive off to the grocery store and score some vittles, tangent,maybe later after some jim beam.......lol
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Looking forward to see reports on the new .45s and .50s coming out.
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Looking forward to see reports on the new .45s and .50s coming out.
Not me, I don't need the pressure... :o
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Looking forward to see reports on the new .45s and .50s coming out.
Not me, I don't need the pressure... :o
Ho, I'm not even considering buying but I still love to read about them.
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Well, when I started this thread AEA was making waves but it has become a Tsunami now,
WOW, keeping improving older models With GEN II coming in many of them And also churning out new models pretty fast,...they really are on a roll.
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I saw ben on you tube with a 58 caliber.
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James I think the best guy to deal with is Bin, he answers his phone and talks to you regarding whatever it is that you need, he's probably the best to order from too.
^^^ THIS.
I have an AEA Challnger .22, got it 2 weeks ago. I’m no expert, everything I know I learned here over the last two years. I have a Daystate Regal XL 177 that I bought for backyard NRA smallbore silhouette practice, and it has served me well. Two years ago I picked up in Artemis M11 .25, And I do like that rifle but wanted a 22 to fill out the set. The adjustable 70FPE offered on the AEA Challenger was a big attraction for me, as was the $359 price tag. So far I am very happy with the rifle’s performance and accuracy. No, it doesn’t shoot tiny groups like my Daystate, but stacking a full mag of 12 slugs @ 25 & 30gr into 5/8” at 40 yards 20°F weather will suit my purposes for taking out problem raccoons just fine, especially when you consider that it’s hurling them out at 1060 and 980 FPS. Build quality seems very good, but I already did note 2 problems.
1) First of all, the magazines tend to drift slightly to the right when you rack the bolt back, so you have to thumb it back into battery or you risk the bolt probe hanging up on the clear plastic cover and cracking it. I’m working on tinkering with the detent ball and magnet design to improve that while I’m designing a single shot tray for my rifle.
2) The adjustment valve has a locking setscrew on the opposite side of the receiver from the power dial. After about two weeks of use, when I went to loosen the setscrew, the head broke off. I texted Bin Tac immediately, 7:30 PM CST and he replied immediately. He directed me to remove the valve, which I did - and the threaded end of the screw came out, no problem. He’s sending me a replacement, no charge. Being the impatient tinkerer that I am, I fabricated a replacement by shortening a fine thread M6 metric Allen head screw to keep me shooting until he sends me a replacement which he has already done. I will probably just continue to use the screw that I fabricated because it has a 5/32” Allen socket and is clearly more robust than the OEM screw. So- Customer support has been excellent so far.
I added an STO Falx LDC to mine and it’s every bit as quiet as my Daystate, As long as I keep my shots subsonic.
Here’s the broken screw, and my DIY fix.
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I think a side effect of my Mrod mag cover swap was thet the .177 Mrod mag is thicker than the OE AEA clear cover, so it is a snug fit now.
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I think a side effect of my Mrod mag cover swap was thet the .177 Mrod mag is thicker than the OE AEA clear cover, so it is a snug fit now.
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Is that a good or bad issue?
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I think a side effect of my Mrod mag cover swap was thet the .177 Mrod mag is thicker than the OE AEA clear cover, so it is a snug fit now.
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I posted another thread asking for help/advice to try & solve the magazine shifting problem.
I wonder- is there a vendor who sells Mrod mag components? It would be a simple thing to swap out the clear mag covers. I gotta say, I’m not a fan of the AEA mag design in general. I’m sure once you get used to it, they’re easy to load- but the whole wind the spring with the cover, load a pellet backwards from the front, then flip it & load the rest takes some getting used to. I’ve been spoiled by my Daystate & Artemis mags.
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Good. The AEA mags tend to slide slightly out of battery when cycling the bolt back, so it’s out of alignment when you push forward. If you push the mag back in from right to left, there’s no risk. His cover swap made his mag a more snug fit, solving the problem I’m having.
I think a side effect of my Mrod mag cover swap was thet the .177 Mrod mag is thicker than the OE AEA clear cover, so it is a snug fit now.
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Is that a good or bad issue?
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Interesting I wonder if some tape on a mag would achieve the same result.
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Interesting I wonder if some tape on a mag would achieve the same result.
Probably, and that’s on my list of things to try.
If it works, I’ll tinker to find the best location & then rough that surface up & replace the tape with a thin layer of Devcon 10110 liquid steel putty epoxy. That’s what I use for pillar bedding powder rifles. It’s extremely tough and sands/machines well.
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I think a side effect of my Mrod mag cover swap was thet the .177 Mrod mag is thicker than the OE AEA clear cover, so it is a snug fit now.
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I posted another thread asking for help/advice to try & solve the magazine shifting problem.
I wonder- is there a vendor who sells Mrod mag components? It would be a simple thing to swap out the clear mag covers. I gotta say, I’m not a fan of the AEA mag design in general. I’m sure once you get used to it, they’re easy to load- but the whole wind the spring with the cover, load a pellet backwards from the front, then flip it & load the rest takes some getting used to. I’ve been spoiled by my Daystate & Artemis mags.
I absolutely hate that style of magazines it keeps me away from many guns, I just can't believe manufacturers still make them.
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I absolutely hate that style of magazines it keeps me away from many guns, I just can't believe manufacturers still make them.
I agree with you 100%, but unfortunately most of my AG's have spring rotating mags which tends to squish pellet skirts, I have no problems with slugs.
Without a major redesign it was an inexpensive way to convert to their old designs to a repeater. My AEA Terminator's mag spring is so strong that I have a hard time holding it back to reload it. I destroyed the star wheel on a mag when it slipped while reloading it.
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Kevin I've put many rounds through my Challenger since I've owned it, I've dropped those mags in the dirt many times as well, I guess that I've been very fortunate to never have any problems with them.
(https://i.imgur.com/OpY8IsU.jpg)
This gun is deadly on small game using the slugs that I cast for it.
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I'll probably regret saying this but the only spring mag I've ever had a problem with is one of those little SPA mags and I've got a ton of spring mags.
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Bill I honestly think SPA partnering up with Diana was one of the worse things the could have done, ever since then the way I see it the popularity of SPA products have gone to pot drastically. I think that now AEA is probably at the top for the China built guns. I'll look at my Airmax Dominator (still holding air from probably 2 years ago) and I always think I should get it out again.
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Bill I honestly think SPA partnering up with Diana was one of the worse things the could have done, ever since then the way I see it the popularity of SPA products have gone to pot drastically. I think that now AEA is probably at the top for the China built guns. I'll look at my Airmax Dominator (still holding air from probably 2 years ago) and I always think I should get it out again.
Not to mention what it did for Diana... :-\ You don't hear as much from the fan boys these days.
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Has anyone figured out what factory is producing the AEA? My suspicion is that it is Listone. But that is only based on similarities in manufacturing/design of a Victor I have. Just a guess and it doesn’t really even matter, I’m quite pleased with mine.
Dave
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You can also adjust the barrel to help hold the magazine more securely.
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I think a side effect of my Mrod mag cover swap was thet the .177 Mrod mag is thicker than the OE AEA clear cover, so it is a snug fit now.
[smg id=8418] <~ Click Bigger
I posted another thread asking for help/advice to try & solve the magazine shifting problem.
I wonder- is there a vendor who sells Mrod mag components? It would be a simple thing to swap out the clear mag covers. I gotta say, I’m not a fan of the AEA mag design in general. I’m sure once you get used to it, they’re easy to load- but the whole wind the spring with the cover, load a pellet backwards from the front, then flip it & load the rest takes some getting used to. I’ve been spoiled by my Daystate & Artemis mags.
My Bandit/PP800 and my Stormrider/PR900 have the same style magazines. Isn't Artemis just an in house brand for SPA?
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You can also adjust the barrel to help hold the magazine more securely.
IIR the barrel can be adjusted to get more friction on the mag, at first I thought I would have to adjust that to get my repaired mag to fit, but careful wiggling got it to snap in and repeated attempts were easier.
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I'm pretty sure that Snow Peak, SPA, Artemis, and KAM are all the same manufacturer. Yes, I have a KAM P12 that is identical to the SPA P12. Well it was, until I made it a multi-shot instead of a single shot. ;D
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I wonder if this CARM mag would work, or if it would not be long before someone sends them AEA mags to improve upon.
https://www.carm-magazines.com/carm-magazine-for-jsar-raptor-air-rifle.aspx (https://www.carm-magazines.com/carm-magazine-for-jsar-raptor-air-rifle.aspx)
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You can also adjust the barrel to help hold the magazine more securely.
How would that be accomplished?
From what I’ve learned in another thread I posted on this, it’s likely the spring in the mag is wound too tight. I’d certainly rather mess with spring tension in a replaceable magazine than degas and tear down the whole gun to remedy this...?
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Kevin you never know maybe the mag they're sending you might be a little better than what you've got. I noticed on my semi auto mags for my 25 cal that one of the mags is really hard to turn whereas the other one is very easy, they both do work equally as good but I do prefer not to wrestle with a mag to load it.
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You can also adjust the barrel to help hold the magazine more securely.
How would that be accomplished?
From what I’ve learned in another thread I posted on this, it’s likely the spring in the mag is wound too tight. I’d certainly rather mess with spring tension in a replaceable magazine than degas and tear down the whole gun to remedy this...?
No need to degas. Do you have a shrouded barrel? If so remove the shroud. The barrel is held into the receiver by a large nut, 22mm (I think), and you just loosen this and back it off a turn or so. In addition to that nut the barrel is also threaded, you can turn the barrel until you get the desired friction against the magazine. After you get the correct tension, tighten the nut, replace the shroud, and you are done. The barrel is ported all the way around in the breech area, so there is no need for special alignment.
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Kevin you never know maybe the mag they're sending you might be a little better than what you've got. I noticed on my semi auto mags for my 25 cal that one of the mags is really hard to turn whereas the other one is very easy, they both do work equally as good but I do prefer not to wrestle with a mag to load it.
Wayne- I have 2 mags that came from Bin Tac with the rifle, plus 2 more that I ordered from PAS. I they are both a good fit but designed differently, and all four have the shifting problem. I have no other magazines inbound, I just texted Bin about it this morning and he hasn’t replied yet. I posted a thread about this, here’s a link and pictures of all four magazines and the breach opening/detent ball.
Thread:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195621.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195621.0)
Pics:
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Thanks for the advice. I’m headed down to my man cave in a little while to tinker with the magazines and see where I can get by playing with spring tension, but if I get nowhere I will take your advice and adjust the barrel stub to protrude slightly more into the breach opening.
DrGunner
You can also adjust the barrel to help hold the magazine more securely.
How would that be accomplished?
From what I’ve learned in another thread I posted on this, it’s likely the spring in the mag is wound too tight. I’d certainly rather mess with spring tension in a replaceable magazine than degas and tear down the whole gun to remedy this...?
No need to degas. Do you have a shrouded barrel? If so remove the shroud. The barrel is held into the receiver by a large nut, 22mm (I think), and you just loosen this and back it off a turn or so. In addition to that nut the barrel is also threaded, you can turn the barrel until you get the desired friction against the magazine. After you get the correct tension, tighten the nut, replace the shroud, and you are done. The barrel is ported all the way around in the breech area, so there is no need for special alignment.
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I had problems with mags and it was due to broken springs. Bin told me that they were having trouble with some mag springs breaking and sent me some replacements. While waiting I cut, and rewound the broken springs. The mags are considerably tighter than the originals and now work fine. Point is I doubt spring tension is causing your issue.
Have you tried working the bolt with an empty magazine in it? I wonder if something is askew in the bolt or the magazine that is causing it to bind, then jump out.
Jim
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I had problems with mags and it was due to broken springs. Bin told me that they were having trouble with some mag springs breaking and sent me some replacements. While waiting I cut, and rewound the broken springs. The mags are considerably tighter than the originals and now work fine. Point is I doubt spring tension is causing your issue.
Have you tried working the bolt with an empty magazine in it? I wonder if something is askew in the bolt or the magazine that is causing it to bind, then jump out.
Jim
Hey Old friend- I’m assuming I know you from RFC? Yes, I’ve run empty mags with the same problem. It seems to occur more forcefully with a full or fully wound mag, during the first 8 shots. (12 shot mags). Bin responded to my query and said that adjusting the depth of the barrel stub SHOULD fix the problem, so I’m going to do that today. I’ll report back here and in the help thread I posted when I’m done & have findings to report.
Thanks, to all, for the help & advice.
DrGunner
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You can also adjust the barrel to help hold the magazine more securely.
How would that be accomplished?
From what I’ve learned in another thread I posted on this, it’s likely the spring in the mag is wound too tight. I’d certainly rather mess with spring tension in a replaceable magazine than degas and tear down the whole gun to remedy this...?
No need to degas. Do you have a shrouded barrel? If so remove the shroud. The barrel is held into the receiver by a large nut, 22mm (I think), and you just loosen this and back it off a turn or so. In addition to that nut the barrel is also threaded, you can turn the barrel until you get the desired friction against the magazine. After you get the correct tension, tighten the nut, replace the shroud, and you are done. The barrel is ported all the way around in the breech area, so there is no need for special alignment.
Bin Tac from AEA got back to me and suggested exactly the same fix- so your advice was quite probably spot on. I’ll be going down to my man cave in a little while and removing the shroud, threading the barrel in a bit deeper & testing it.
As I said above, I’ll report back here and in the help thread I posted when I’m done & have findings to report.
Your sage advice & the responses by others are MUCH appreciated.
MANNY- my sincere apologies for the thread hijack, that was NOT my intent. I did start a separate thread of my own for folks to respond to this problem, and I’d ask that everyone start using that thread for replies so that Manny’s thread can get back on track.
Here’s a link to my thread:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195621.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195621.0)
Respectfully,
DrGunner
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No, no Kevin don't even begin to worry about that,....threads are supposed to take little tangents, get back in line, take more tangents, it's the nature of discourse we are just talking here and as you talk things pop in your mind and say them, it makes me laugh a bit when people get upset if the thread don't stay exactly in a straight line ;) ;)
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You can also adjust the barrel to help hold the magazine more securely.
How would that be accomplished?
From what I’ve learned in another thread I posted on this, it’s likely the spring in the mag is wound too tight. I’d certainly rather mess with spring tension in a replaceable magazine than degas and tear down the whole gun to remedy this...?
No need to degas. Do you have a shrouded barrel? If so remove the shroud. The barrel is held into the receiver by a large nut, 22mm (I think), and you just loosen this and back it off a turn or so. In addition to that nut the barrel is also threaded, you can turn the barrel until you get the desired friction against the magazine. After you get the correct tension, tighten the nut, replace the shroud, and you are done. The barrel is ported all the way around in the breech area, so there is no need for special alignment.
Bin Tac from AEA got back to me and suggested exactly the same fix- so your advice was quite probably spot on. I’ll be going down to my man cave in a little while and removing the shroud, threading the barrel in a bit deeper & testing it.
As I said above, I’ll report back here and in the help thread I posted when I’m done & have findings to report.
Your sage advice & the responses by others are MUCH appreciated.
MANNY- my sincere apologies for the thread hijack, that was NOT my intent. I did start a separate thread of my own for folks to respond to this problem, and I’d ask that everyone start using that thread for replies so that Manny’s thread can get back on track.
Here’s a link to my thread:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195621.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195621.0)
Respectfully,
DrGunner
It won't take much in the way of adjustment. I took my barrel out to push a slug through the bore for measurement purposes, and it took me a bit to find the "sweet spot" for the fit between magazine and barrel. I'm hoping the 3d printed single shot tray I ordered for my .45 works well, but the weather hasn't been decent enough to find out.
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No, no Kevin don't even begin to worry about that,....threads are supposed to take little tangents, get back in line, take more tangents, it's the nature of discourse we are just talking here and as you talk things pop in your mind and say them, it makes me laugh a bit when people get upset if the thread don't stay exactly in a straight line ;) ;)
Thanks for that, Manny- given your knowledge and reputation here, just wanted to make sure I didn’t overstep. I’ve been a moderator covering 14 subforums for 10 years over at Rimfirecentral.com, and it never ceases to amaze me how grown men can get their panties in a bunch because of thread drift, which has always befuddled me, because sometimes thread drift brings out information that you would never learn otherwise. I appreciate your forbearance & response. I love GTA, it’s run very much like RFC with no profanity, no insulting, no trolling, and no discussion of hot button topic’s that have nothing to do with the hobby. It keeps people from engaging in the toxicity that is so prevalent on many shooting sites. Y’all made me feel welcome here from the get go and I have learned so much from random people here who genuinely care to take their time and explain things, post pictures, DM advice, all without demeaning me for being a noob. I’ve met many people here that I would love to share a beer and a ribeye with, LOL.
You can also adjust the barrel to help hold the magazine more securely.
How would that be accomplished?
From what I’ve learned in another thread I posted on this, it’s likely the spring in the mag is wound too tight. I’d certainly rather mess with spring tension in a replaceable magazine than degas and tear down the whole gun to remedy this...?
No need to degas. Do you have a shrouded barrel? If so remove the shroud. The barrel is held into the receiver by a large nut, 22mm (I think), and you just loosen this and back it off a turn or so. In addition to that nut the barrel is also threaded, you can turn the barrel until you get the desired friction against the magazine. After you get the correct tension, tighten the nut, replace the shroud, and you are done. The barrel is ported all the way around in the breech area, so there is no need for special alignment.
Bin Tac from AEA got back to me and suggested exactly the same fix- so your advice was quite probably spot on. I’ll be going down to my man cave in a little while and removing the shroud, threading the barrel in a bit deeper & testing it.
As I said above, I’ll report back here and in the help thread I posted when I’m done & have findings to report.
Your sage advice & the responses by others are MUCH appreciated.
MANNY- my sincere apologies for the thread hijack, that was NOT my intent. I did start a separate thread of my own for folks to respond to this problem, and I’d ask that everyone start using that thread for replies so that Manny’s thread can get back on track.
Here’s a link to my thread:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195621.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195621.0)
Respectfully,
DrGunner
It won't take much in the way of adjustment. I took my barrel out to push a slug through the bore for measurement purposes, and it took me a bit to find the "sweet spot" for the fit between magazine and barrel. I'm hoping the 3d printed single shot tray I ordered for my .45 works well, but the weather hasn't been decent enough to find out.
Spacebus- I’ve already had it apart, adjusted the barrel stub depth, and tested all 4 magazines and they’re working flawlessly with the tighter fit.
Unfortunately, the four magazines I have did not all fit the same. The two that I got from Bin Tac with the rifle are a bit of a looser fit than the two that I got from PAS.
No problem, I adjusted the barrel stub so that the loose ones are a snug fit and cycle properly without shifting. I then had to gently hand file down the breech pocket on the other two mags to get them to fit just as snug without shifting. So I now have 4 fully functional mags that work flawlessly... but the base design of them is still a prime example of engineers suffering from rectocranial intussusception.
In the end, kind of a simple fix, really.
I have a friend working on a single shot tray that he’s 3-D printing for my Challenger, the way he’s making it you could probably take one of my prototypes and simply file/mill the slot wider and deeper to fit your larger caliber. I designed mine with a “ V” to “U” slot that will allow me to simply drop the pellet or slug in from either side of the “V”, and it will roll down into the “U”. My wooden prototype worked great, so I sent it off to my buddy to 3D print some testers for fine tuning.
I will post a separate thread when I have finished working through the kinks to get mine done right, then I plan to have a bunch of extras made and send them to members here for free.
Thanks, again, to all-
DrGunner
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I just find it fascinating what A.E.A. is doing, the selection, the speed at which they improve things, the speed at which they throw out new models, the very good prices, the power they squeeze out of their guns,
Love following the constant breakneck speed at which they move :)
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Yeah- my take is, its REALLY nice to be in the opposite position with respect to power when tuning a new gun. Almost everything that is usually done is to squeeze more power out of these PCPs, so to have one that comes out of the gate hotter than I would ever need it with a simple valve to dial that power down, then buy it under $400 to me is priceless. I did some more at shooting for accuracy yesterday and had one string where I stacked 10 slugs into a pretty tight hole at 40 yards in the snow.
This one seems to like heavier slugs- which is perfect because it’s for pest control.
I just find it fascinating what A.E.A. is doing, the selection, the speed at which they improve things, the speed at which they throw out new models, the very good prices, the power they squeeze out of their guns,
Love following the constant breakneck speed at which they move :)
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The only downside I see in going with an AEA gun over AV, Umarex, etc. is they are usually a bit heavier than the competition. At least that is the case for the Challenger line. My .45 Bullpup is a HOSS and I plan on using it in a blind rather than stalking. At some point I'd like to get one of the lighter weight AEA guns, like the HP Max .357 that is putting out 150+ FPE, for a hunting gun that is easier to carry through the woods.
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I just find it fascinating what A.E.A. is doing, the selection, the speed at which they improve things, the speed at which they throw out new models, the very good prices, the power they squeeze out of their guns,
Love following the constant breakneck speed at which they move :)
If only some other companies iterated this quickly, AEA will make changes in the middle of production runs, especially when someone points out an issue and a solution. I mentioned this on one of Bin Tak's videos recently, they should be commended for really trying hard, and they are trying hard indeed. For whatever reason, the AEA stuff is still just not right for me... But a bunch of people I know are buying many different models and really happy all around. I can't put a finger on why I'm not on board, has nothing to do with the place of origin. China has been producing good airguns for decades, every country has the ability to produce garbage, and a lot of us have or had those garbage guns for the USA, Turkey, etc.
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Well the .457 magazine is cnc machined from aluminum.. No problem with adjusting the barrel to it + a note paper.. I stoned all touching surfaces on the trigger linkage and sear, bottom, and sides.. Pins and frame pin holes, but also the track they ride.. All burnished with tungsten disulfide ..If the wheeler spring type trigger gauge is correct around 3.5 lbs.. I wish the weather would cooperate....
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The only downside I see in going with an AEA gun over AV, Umarex, etc. is they are usually a bit heavier than the competition. At least that is the case for the Challenger line. My .45 Bullpup is a HOSS and I plan on using it in a blind rather than stalking. At some point I'd like to get one of the lighter weight AEA guns, like the HP Max .357 that is putting out 150+ FPE, for a hunting gun that is easier to carry through the woods.
Yeah the big bore Challenger series is out of the question for me, that kind of weight makes them not appealing at all I don't care what power they put out.
Only one I would like is the 16" barrel ZEUS II .72 or the .58 if comes out with 16" barrel.
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All steel construction weighs a lot....
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My .22 Challeger weighs 6.9lb, that’s certainly not in the realm of too heavy for me. The big bores are definitely a lot heavier, too heavy for practical use as a tote around hunting rifle, especially the longer barreled models.
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Kevin the Challenger with the 357 barrel on it weighs considerably more than the .22's, the weight of the heavier barrel hanging out there makes a lot of difference for sure, I agree with Manny on the 16" Zeus, I doubt I'd ever buy one but I'd like to shoot one some time. I think Jim Chapman has one like that, . . . what a beast indeed. You could hunt cape buffalo with something like that.
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How much power does the 16 inch barrel lose compared to the 32 inch barrel? I'm guessing at least a 1/3 or maybe 1/2 power reduction (just a guess).
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My .22 Challeger weighs 6.9lb, that’s certainly not in the realm of too heavy for me. The big bores are definitely a lot heavier, too heavy for practical use as a tote around hunting rifle, especially the longer barreled models.
Yeah, the small bore Challengers are definitely great guns is just the big bores that to me cross into the way to heavy for hunting on the ground weight ( fine if you hunting out of a blind )
Someone here posted his Callenger big bore is 16+ pounds,....that crosses into the uncomfortable zone.
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How much power does the 16 inch barrel lose compared to the 32 inch barrel? I'm guessing at least a 1/3 or maybe 1/2 power reduction (just a guess).
I think you right on the about Half power zone
.........still 750 FPE out of a little carbine is pretty wicked in my opinion :)
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How much power does the 16 inch barrel lose compared to the 32 inch barrel? I'm guessing at least a 1/3 or maybe 1/2 power reduction (just a guess).
I think you right on the about Half power zone
.........still 750 FPE out of a little carbine is pretty wicked in my opinion :)
How long is it with the 16" barrel? That's really compact. Ammo is kind of expensive, even if you cast your own. The new .58 might be the sweet spot.
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How much power does the 16 inch barrel lose compared to the 32 inch barrel? I'm guessing at least a 1/3 or maybe 1/2 power reduction (just a guess).
I think you right on the about Half power zone
.........still 750 FPE out of a little carbine is pretty wicked in my opinion :)
How long is it with the 16" barrel? That's really compact. Ammo is kind of expensive, even if you cast your own. The new .58 might be the sweet spot.
Agree, I would go for the .58 if I was getting a ZEUS.
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Someone here posted his Callenger big bore is 16+ pounds,....that crosses into the uncomfortable
That would be me. 16 1/2 to be exact. Bench and blind for sure. Although, with the sling, it’s not bad for a short walk.
I agree that the short .58 sounds nice.
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A short .58 might result in my .45 BP going up for sale.
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The Zeus carbine at 700-750fpe is pretty close to the Umarex Hammer, so is it worth it? That 58 is probably what they should have done first, almost the same power with ammo that should be more affordable, and in a black powder caliber so ammo should be easier to make. Going up might be .68~.69???
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Read somewhere that soon we can switch the calibers and barrel...
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More companies need to offer barrel swap kits.
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HP max .35 pistol on the way… :)
Got it via Bin Tac. Super helpful. Now to find a good mold. I was told 120 grain is a good target weight.
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HP max .35 pistol on the way… :)
Got it via Bin Tac. Super helpful. Now to find a good mold. I was told 120 grain is a good target weight.
I think that gun is a 120-130 FPE piece, so I would stay under the 100gr for the projectiles
This is the caster I have used for years for my bullets, goood quality and great prices.
https://www.mattsbullets.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=65 (https://www.mattsbullets.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=65)
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This one is always a great .357 bullet for those -/+ 130 FPE guns
https://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=36-080B (https://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=36-080B)
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Thank you - appreciate the tips. I was also thinking that was heavy but that is what Bin Tac told me. I will look for lighter molds for sure.
This is what has my eye for now:
http://arsenalmolds.com/products/9MM,%20.357,%20.38,%20BULLETS,%20CAST%20BULLETS (http://arsenalmolds.com/products/9MM,%20.357,%20.38,%20BULLETS,%20CAST%20BULLETS)
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HP max .35 pistol on the way… :)
Got it via Bin Tac. Super helpful. Now to find a good mold. I was told 120 grain is a good target weight.
That's one of my favorite guns on the market, definitely on my "want" list.
Edit: I've also seen people making 150 FPE with the right weight slug.
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I’m excited to try it out. I ordered nsa slugs in 108 and 125 grains, again was told the 125 grains shoot especially well.
It will be interesting to play around with tuning this thing. I know it’s set up to have a cliff tune which is consistent with its marketing. With the right slug weight and hammer spring tweaks maybe some kind of lower powered but decent curve is possible.
Anyone know if the AEA semi auto upgrade kits work on this gun as well? Supposed to work with all HP series guns.
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I’m excited to try it out. I ordered nsa slugs in 108 and 125 grains, again was told the 125 grains shoot especially well.
It will be interesting to play around with tuning this thing. I know it’s set up to have a cliff tune which is consistent with its marketing. With the right slug weight and hammer spring tweaks maybe some kind of lower powered but decent curve is possible.
Anyone know if the AEA semi auto upgrade kits work on this gun as well? Supposed to work with all HP series guns.
Those smooth sided swaged NSA slugs, for whatever reason, make more power than equivalent weight slugs with minimal surface area touching the bore. That's a long way of saying you will like them. I look forward to your thread about this gun, I could see myself owning one in the future. I was lusting after the PBBA Pro 20, but now I'm into light weight .357 slug guns.
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HP max .35 pistol on the way… :)
Got it via Bin Tac. Super helpful. Now to find a good mold. I was told 120 grain is a good target weight.
If they ever make that in a side lever, I will order one for sure.
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Just saw a video of the Max shooting at 177 fpe with a 152 grain slug! And that I believe is without the power mod i have seen a couple of reviewers discuss.
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Just saw a video of the Max shooting at 177 fpe with a 152 grain slug! And that I believe is without the power mod i have seen a couple of reviewers discuss.
That's with a really short barrel as well. Imagine what 6" more barrel would be like! I wonder if anyone has seen 200 FPE with mods? That would be a fantastic hunting gun.
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The .357 MAX is one A.E.A. gun I would really like to have,....amongst a bunch of others :)
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I cast 122 grain Accurate molds bullet, very accurate and the molds are great, at least the steel ones are.
Roachcreek
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The .357 MAX is one A.E.A. gun I would really like to have,....amongst a bunch of others :)
I don't know, that would throw a wrench into the trend you got going on in your signature! ;D
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The .357 MAX is one A.E.A. gun I would really like to have,....amongst a bunch of others :)
I don't know, that would throw a wrench into the trend you got going on in your signature! ;D
Hahaha,....but, but AEA is coming out with a lot of interesting models across a huge spectrum unlike other companies :)
I favor having a lot of guns from one company for a lot of reasons.
One thing that will keep me away from AEA are the magazines, but with the track record the company has I would not be surprised in the least if they change them.
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They are selling so many airguns that there will probably be quite a market for someone to sell improved magazines
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They are selling so many airguns that there will probably be quite a market for someone to sell improved magazines
I wouldn't be surprised if CARM starts offering them soon.
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They are selling so many airguns that there will probably be quite a market for someone to sell improved magazines
I’d line up to buy better mags; that’s why I’m working on a decent single shot tray for mine.
DrG
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Which mags are you guys talking about. My .45 Challenger pup mags are aluminum. I have dropped them on the cement floor a few times. Even fully loaded with not a scratch.
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Still have the clear plastic cover that you need to rotate like the Marauder mag right ?
...I'm talking about all metal magazines that you rotate the drum, Guess I've been super spoiled by a decade or more of the Evanix magazines that are great and don't stick out one side of the gun like a wart.
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I have to agree Manny. I love the Air Speed mags.
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...I'm talking about all metal magazines that you rotate the drum, Guess I've been super spoiled by a decade or more of the Evanix magazines that are great and don't stick out one side of the gun like a wart.
Now that's funny :D, I agree 100%
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Got ya.
Guess I have been lucky. I just counted up all the plastic covered rotating mags that I have. In .22, .25, .45 I have 37. Other than the first mags that came with the Avenger I think it was, I have never had a problem. I never had a different type of mag to compare to.
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Got ya.
Guess I have been lucky. I just counted up all the plastic covered rotating mags that I have. In .22, .25, .45 I have 37. Other than the first mags that came with the Avenger I think it was, I have never had a problem. I never had a different type of mag to compare to.
To me it's not so much if they are problematic or not, I just really dislike them, I dislike the way you have to load them, I dislike the way ammo rattles inside them and most of all I really dislike the way they look in a gun :)
I would buy a DAR just because of the magazines, I would buy a JTS because of the magazines before I would buy any brand that uses those Marauder style mags
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Well what do you know? FedEx dropping it off three days early and it should be here some time today. Although my package did pass through the Troutdale fedex vortex so it may end up being delivered next week for all I know.
It will be nice to move beyond all the speculation and questionable YouTube videos and see what this thing is all about.
One thing I would love to know is if the shroud tubes from one of the other AEA guns would be interchangeable with the stock shroud. The first thing I’m going to be doing is making a moderator for this and it would sure be nice to build one in a tube specifically machined for the brand.
Honestly half of what I am looking forward to is just the process of experimenting with suppressing the sound on this thing. The tinkering aspect is as pleasurable as the shooting for me.
Spent a fair amount of time building shrouds and baffles with 3-D printed inserts of various designs for my airforce guns. The last one I designed was a Tesla valve based moderator and that one was surprisingly effective at higher powers in particular, and it may be what I try first on this one.
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Well what do you know? FedEx dropping it off three days early and it should be here some time today. Although my package did pass through the Troutdale fedex vortex so it may end up being delivered next week for all I know.
It will be nice to move beyond all the speculation and questionable YouTube videos and see what this thing is all about.
One thing I would love to know is if the shroud tubes from one of the other AEA guns would be interchangeable with the stock shroud. The first thing I’m going to be doing is making a moderator for this and it would sure be nice to build one in a tube specifically machined for the brand.
Honestly half of what I am looking forward to is just the process of experimenting with suppressing the sound on this thing. The tinkering aspect is as pleasurable as the shooting for me.
Spent a fair amount of time building shrouds and baffles with 3-D printed inserts of various designs for my airforce guns. The last one I designed was a Tesla valve based moderator and that one was surprisingly effective at higher powers in particular, and it may be what I try first on this one.
I think there would be a lot of happy people if you can figure out a way to make the factory shroud into a real moderator.
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I think I remember that the specifics of making moderators is not allowed here, no one wants to go to court to testify that yes that post was made on the system and this is the IP address where it originated.
Right now I'd be too concerned to even buy a Donny, you never know when the next twist will come and airgun shooshers are prohibited and everyone is a felon. (skating too close to politics, need to move away before the ice breaks).
I'll keep my stuff stock loudness for now, maybe the Bulldog since the Pitbull design can not be used on other guns (making it safer to own???).
AEA is really moving fast and certainly eclipsing some brands, they seem to want to make the others take notice and start making innovations.
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I know there is a ban on discussing internals. Mentioning a Tesla valve is not describing anything in enough detail to cross that threshold I believe
As far as the safety of owning a Donny FL hope that the existence of Donny FL kind of makes things pretty clear as far as air legality of air gun moderators go. they screw onto the end of any threaded barrel which I guess is where the sticking point is .
What I’m talking about here are lightweight 3-D thermoplastic baffles built into a shroud, not able to be screwed on to the end of any barrel, and nothing remotely capable of silencing anything other than an airgun.
I believe those built-in shroud baffles are something we might be able to discuss here because they are not detachable silencers that can be threaded onto the end of a bartel. That’s up to the owner and I can go along with whatever they want of course.
As far as the HP Max goes, I don’t think there’s any room in the shroud at all - I think it’s about the same length as the barrel. So one option (maybe) would be to use a shroud from one of the different AEA airguns if the diameter and threading is the same. Then add baffles (of a secret design I will not discuss here) in whatever space there is.
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Yeah, looking forward to see how you like the gun, there's a thread on AirgunNation right now and isn't to flattering.
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What can you expect? It’s a cheap Chinese gun. Mind you I don’t have anything against Chinese airguns, I just know that this company is really spitting them out so what are the odds they’re gonna be perfect?
I tend to disregard the hype on the positive end and the panic on the negative end and that usually ends up giving me an accurate picture of the thing. The question is where are the honest reviews, if there are any?
I searched and cannot find that thread at AGN, can you send me a link?
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https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/aea-hp-4500-max-357-released-too-early-be-aware-of-safety-liability-issues/?view=all#post-1182081 (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/aea-hp-4500-max-357-released-too-early-be-aware-of-safety-liability-issues/?view=all#post-1182081)
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And it is indeed sucked into the troutdale vortex of inaccurate and constantly changing delivery messages. Truly a crapshoot as to when it gets released from there. sat around all day so I could be there for the adult signature required.
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https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/aea-hp-4500-max-357-released-too-early-be-aware-of-safety-liability-issues/?view=all#post-1182081 (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/aea-hp-4500-max-357-released-too-early-be-aware-of-safety-liability-issues/?view=all#post-1182081)
Wow, the initial post is pretty dramatic.
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https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/aea-hp-4500-max-357-released-too-early-be-aware-of-safety-liability-issues/?view=all#post-1182081 (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/aea-hp-4500-max-357-released-too-early-be-aware-of-safety-liability-issues/?view=all#post-1182081)
This individual has made the same posting on FB now for a few days.
If the gun was as 1/2 as bad as they are claiming it is, instead of wasting day after day with posts all over the internet, wouldn't it make more sense to just return the gun?
I asked the individual that 5 days ago when they first posted up the problems, but no reply, just more posts.
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Yeah I also don't pay much attention to single post I prefer to put together a collective and see after that.
Jeez if you would have to make a judgment on FX by single posts you would think it's a junk gun because I tell you even on AirgunNation where it's frowned upon there's been a ton of problem FX posts.
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On a shooting forum site I moderate, we TRY to draw a line between legitimate complaints and downright vendor bashing. We always support legitimate posts about bad experiences and customer service. Members are always encouraged to seek a resolution with the vendor first, and keep their posts factual and on point.
Too often I’ve seen folks buy one gun from a given manufacturer, and get a lemon- then go on to rant in every thread they find that the manufacturers products are ALL pure junk, yada, yada. It gets especially tricky when it’s a site sponsor involved. It can be frustrating to see; sometimes threads about one bad example of an otherwise good design/product can sway people’s opinions and dissuade them from trying an entire brand based on one persons incessant rants.
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https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/aea-hp-4500-max-357-released-too-early-be-aware-of-safety-liability-issues/?view=all#post-1182081 (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/aea-hp-4500-max-357-released-too-early-be-aware-of-safety-liability-issues/?view=all#post-1182081)
This individual has made the same posting on FB now for a few days.
If the gun was as 1/2 as bad as they are claiming it is, instead of wasting day after day with posts all over the internet, wouldn't it make more sense to just return the gun?
I asked the individual that 5 days ago when they first posted up the problems, but no reply, just more posts.
Yes I’d come across this post and YouTube video a while ago and I guess the guy had a problem at very low temperatures as well with some plastic on his magazine shattering in freezing temps, but that’s not going to be an issue for me.
I’d like to open it up and get a look at the quality control on the inside I will probably enjoy it as is for a while unless there’s some reason to get into it.
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I saw the post on AGN a few days ago. People should be cautious making statements of unsafe product. I found the claims sensationalized including the title. Exploding magazines was over the top. Room for improvement sure, dangerous, not hardly.
I like my AEA Backpacker. I have 1500 rounds through it now and it functions flawless. I had springs break in two magazines. Vender immediately replaced the mags and sent me extra springs.
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I've shot the heck out of all my AEA airguns, all still work just fine. They never have leaked at all, the mags are all intact and they seem to be very reliable. I have two favorites, the Challenger LS in .22 and the HP Carbine semi in .25.
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On a shooting forum site I moderate, we TRY to draw a line between legitimate complaints and downright vendor bashing. We always support legitimate posts about bad experiences and customer service. Members are always encouraged to seek a resolution with the vendor first, and keep their posts factual and on point.
Too often I’ve seen folks buy one gun from a given manufacturer, and get a lemon- then go on to rant in every thread they find that the manufacturers products are ALL pure junk, yada, yada. It gets especially tricky when it’s a site sponsor involved. It can be frustrating to see; sometimes threads about one bad example of an otherwise good design/product can sway people’s opinions and dissuade them from trying an entire brand based on one persons incessant rants.
At least most air guns are under $3,000 on the top end, usually less than $1,000. Car forums are so much worse for this kind of bashing because cars are so much more expensive. People feel very strongly when they feel like they have made a significant investment. There was a guy on the wood stove forum I frequent who made a similar post about his new wood stove and then disappeared. Based on the post the fault was mostly on him, but he never came back.
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I've seen several post of some models of AEA guns giving a "puff of air". I've also seen a video of a guy who reviews PCP's and AEA guns FORGETTING to close the bolt on a BIG BORE. Not once but twice in the same video. :o It blows the sealing o-ring out of the breach/barrel. I ain't saying that's the cause every time, but you have to wonder.
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I've seen several post of some models of AEA guns giving a "puff of air". I've also seen a video of a guy who reviews PCP's and AEA guns FORGETTING to close the bolt on a BIG BORE. Not once but twice in the same video. :o It blows the sealing o-ring out of the breach/barrel. I ain't saying that's the cause every time, but you have to wonder.
It seems that when you see particularly bad reviews for a product usually the operator is the problem, not the product. Of course there are always lemons out there.
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I've seen several post of some models of AEA guns giving a "puff of air". I've also seen a video of a guy who reviews PCP's and AEA guns FORGETTING to close the bolt on a BIG BORE. Not once but twice in the same video. :o It blows the sealing o-ring out of the breach/barrel. I ain't saying that's the cause every time, but you have to wonder.
I seen that video you're talking about, it's unusual for a person to fess up to something like that which made the video that much better IMO cause I have yet to shoot my big bore AEA's without the bolt in place, my mags and breech o rings are all still in good shape, I did have to replace a breech o ring on my 25 cal semi auto and it was my fault for casting with a known bad mold that gave wings on the pellets that chewed the o ring up. The reason that I even used that mold was because it was aluminum and light compared the brass mold that I also have.
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I've seen several post of some models of AEA guns giving a "puff of air". I've also seen a video of a guy who reviews PCP's and AEA guns FORGETTING to close the bolt on a BIG BORE. Not once but twice in the same video. :o It blows the sealing o-ring out of the breach/barrel. I ain't saying that's the cause every time, but you have to wonder.
I seen that video you're talking about, it's unusual for a person to fess up to something like that which made the video that much better IMO cause I have yet to shoot my big bore AEA's without the bolt in place, my mags and breech o rings are all still in good shape, I did have to replace a breech o ring on my 25 cal semi auto and it was my fault for casting with a known bad mold that gave wings on the pellets that chewed the o ring up. The reason that I even used that mold was because it was aluminum and light compared the brass mold that I also have.
My .22 Hunter mold will drop winged pellets if it gets too hot, that's how I can tell it's time to take a break.
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I've seen several post of some models of AEA guns giving a "puff of air". I've also seen a video of a guy who reviews PCP's and AEA guns FORGETTING to close the bolt on a BIG BORE. Not once but twice in the same video. :o It blows the sealing o-ring out of the breach/barrel. I ain't saying that's the cause every time, but you have to wonder.
I seen that video you're talking about, it's unusual for a person to fess up to something like that which made the video that much better IMO cause I have yet to shoot my big bore AEA's without the bolt in place, my mags and breech o rings are all still in good shape, I did have to replace a breech o ring on my 25 cal semi auto and it was my fault for casting with a known bad mold that gave wings on the pellets that chewed the o ring up. The reason that I even used that mold was because it was aluminum and light compared the brass mold that I also have.
My .22 Hunter mold will drop winged pellets if it gets too hot, that's how I can tell it's time to take a break.
That's another mold I need to get back out, I'm starting to get low on them, that mold is a really good one too, they seem to cast really well and drop well also.
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I seen that video you're talking about, it's unusual for a person to fess up to something like that which made the video that much better IMO cause I have yet to shoot my big bore AEA's without the bolt in place, my mags and breech o rings are all still in good shape, I did have to replace a breech o ring on my 25 cal semi auto and it was my fault for casting with a known bad mold that gave wings on the pellets that chewed the o ring up. The reason that I even used that mold was because it was aluminum and light compared the brass mold that I also have.
Since no link was posted, I'm guessing that is Macabespeed. The puff of air was all from the bolt being open, he hasn't mentioned any ongoing issues so I think he got lucky with the breech seal. The Zeus valve dump is another, he knows he put something together wrong and cause the valve to stick open, not sure if he has shot it since.
I will tell you from experience, the bolt slamming open is frightening. I did this in my garage just after pulling the magazine out to refill my Bulldog. At least there wasn't a round in the chamber. I missed the safety and hit the trigger... I am not a fan of the safety being directly in front of the trigger and pulling the same way as the trigger to put into safe.
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I seen that video you're talking about, it's unusual for a person to fess up to something like that which made the video that much better IMO cause I have yet to shoot my big bore AEA's without the bolt in place, my mags and breech o rings are all still in good shape, I did have to replace a breech o ring on my 25 cal semi auto and it was my fault for casting with a known bad mold that gave wings on the pellets that chewed the o ring up. The reason that I even used that mold was because it was aluminum and light compared the brass mold that I also have.
Since no link was posted, I'm guessing that is Macabespeed. The puff of air was all from the bolt being open, he hasn't mentioned any ongoing issues so I think he got lucky with the breech seal. The Zeus valve dump is another, he knows he put something together wrong and cause the valve to stick open, not sure if he has shot it since.
I will tell you from experience, the bolt slamming open is frightening. I did this in my garage just after pulling the magazine out to refill my Bulldog. At least there wasn't a round in the chamber. I missed the safety and hit the trigger... I am not a fan of the safety being directly in front of the trigger and pulling the same way as the trigger to put into safe.
That is one other thing I can't stand and is a deal breaker for me, the safety bar in front of the trigger,.......forgot about that one.
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Well it is out for delivery again maybe for real this time. I’ll let you all know if it has any issues in reality and if I discover anything that I haven’t seen already posted out there I will share it here. The first thing I want to do is make an extension to the shroud and put in a few baffles so I can test it out in my garage with the chronograph and all that.
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I seen that video you're talking about, it's unusual for a person to fess up to something like that which made the video that much better IMO cause I have yet to shoot my big bore AEA's without the bolt in place, my mags and breech o rings are all still in good shape, I did have to replace a breech o ring on my 25 cal semi auto and it was my fault for casting with a known bad mold that gave wings on the pellets that chewed the o ring up. The reason that I even used that mold was because it was aluminum and light compared the brass mold that I also have.
Since no link was posted, I'm guessing that is Macabespeed. The puff of air was all from the bolt being open, he hasn't mentioned any ongoing issues so I think he got lucky with the breech seal. The Zeus valve dump is another, he knows he put something together wrong and cause the valve to stick open, not sure if he has shot it since.
I will tell you from experience, the bolt slamming open is frightening. I did this in my garage just after pulling the magazine out to refill my Bulldog. At least there wasn't a round in the chamber. I missed the safety and hit the trigger... I am not a fan of the safety being directly in front of the trigger and pulling the same way as the trigger to put into safe.
That is one other thing I can't stand and is a deal breaker for me, the safety bar in front of the trigger,.......forgot about that one.
It's taken me some time to get used to, but I like the safety on my AEA .45
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On the Bulldog, it would have been nice if they put the safety in the same place as an AR safety, and the same turning style, so easy to just hit that with your thumb to bring it off safe, or back on. I don't think there would be patent issue, pretty sure that design has gone public now.
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I still think one of those HP 22 semi auto pistols would be a lot of fun. They're not really that expensive either.
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I still think one of those HP 22 semi auto pistols would be a lot of fun. They're not really that expensive either.
Absolutely,.....if I ever get the chance I would like to get a couple of the Semi models
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Agreed, it was the semi’s that got me looking at their smaller guns. It was a hard choice
I also see there is a standard semi auto kit that according to AEA works with all HP series airguns so maybe that could be added to the 35?
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I still think one of those HP 22 semi auto pistols would be a lot of fun. They're not really that expensive either.
Absolutely,.....if I ever get the chance I would like to get a couple of the Semi models
Why would you get these if the safety is a deal breaker for you?
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I still think one of those HP 22 semi auto pistols would be a lot of fun. They're not really that expensive either.
Absolutely,.....if I ever get the chance I would like to get a couple of the Semi models
Why would you get these if the safety is a deal breaker for you?
Do the semi models have the safety inside the trigger guard ?
I though only the wooden model had the safety bar inside the trigger guard :o
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No safety inside the trigger frame.
(https://i.imgur.com/UktOn3Y.png)
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What diameter is that bottle? Just wondering how big a bottle you could put on the front might be???
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Well it’s a pistol in about the same sense the talon p is a pistol… :) but I knew that.
It also has a reference to high and low power springs and different Max fill pressures for each, as you can see 3600 psi being recommended for the low power spring.
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The front bushing screws onto the threaded end of the barrel. It is well vented and there’s a little bit of space inside the shroud so there is essentially a single baffle formed with a bit of volume back there to vent back into so that probably dampens the sound a tiny to what it would be with no shroud.
No one in my family is going to want hear this thing so I have to find some way to deal with the report a little bit right away. I don’t have a machine shop but I do have a 3-D printer. For now I’m just going to move the shroud forward as shown in the picture, and 3-D print a cylinder to surround the barrel in the space that’s exposed to the rear (circled in blue), then rig something to clamp it all down. The free clamp for the airtube that was included with the gun is solidly built and I should be able to use that to secure the shifted barrel and plastic extension in place.
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Well here’s one fact: whoever was shooting 125 grain nsa slugs wasn’t using a magazine. Even the 108 grain are a hair too long. I am glad I ordered a mold for a stubbier slug. The 108 are close enough that I can just wear the noses down a bit I think. Should have ordered shorter projectiles of one form or another.
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Well here’s one fact: whoever was shooting 125 grain nsa slugs wasn’t using a magazine. Even the 108 grain are a hair too long. I am glad I ordered a mold for a stubbier slug. The 108 are close enough that I can just wear the noses down a bit I think. Should have ordered shorter projectiles of one form or another.
It seems all of the AEA platforms fall short on magazine length.
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Sounds like a reasonable conclusion.
I dry fired into an inexpensive pillow my wife had ordered a while back.
This sounds like a euphemism for something
Blew a hole through it and shot stuffing out the back.
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LOL.... that's crime scene stuff right there.
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The AEA Big 9 is also as long as the Bulldog, I think they list .75 inch long rounds and Bulldog can get .770-ish, that was another complaint solved quickly in the matter of a year.
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Well I set my YH to 4500psi/ 300 bar. filled, waited, topped off.
Airgun gauge says I’m at under 4000 psi at around 265? bar.
Which do I believe? Add them up and divide by two?
The yong heng definitely reads high compared to every single one of my airguns including one with a gauges Doug noble had checked.
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My .45 AEA PUP is off by 300 to 400 psi on the gauge. Shows about 3700 on a 4000 fill. Been shooting tethered so it’s not a big deal. But I would like to get a new one. Just for the heck of it, I had 5 gauges inline on a couple fills just to see how they compared. Fill station, Air Venturi inline Foster M/F, Regman reg in and out gauge and rifle gauge. Not a one of them matched. Other then the AEA gauge, the other 4 were within 100 to 150 psi. I tend to believe the 4” gauges on the Regman as the truest ones.
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Well other than the maga being .1” shorter than the slugs I ordered and it having a slow leak right out of the box, it seems to be fine…. It hurts to be on the bleeding edge, if that’s what this even is. Sending it back tomorrow.
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All my AEA's read a little lower then my fill adapter reads, I go by my fill adapter gauge because it's known to be pretty darned accurate on all my pcp's.
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Well other than the maga being .1” shorter than the slugs I ordered and it having a slow leak right out of the box, it seems to be fine…. It hurts to be on the bleeding edge, if that’s what this even is. Sending it back tomorrow.
Not even going to try and fix the leak?
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Well I was just thinking a new gun shouldn’t arrive leaking and that should be the vendor’s responsibility but of course I gave it a try and the leak is now fixed.
Tech-support was awesome they had somebody walking me through diagnosing it last night. Was able to fix today after buying a tool I needed.
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Get them to send you a couple free mags for your effort, ....cost them a fraction compared to the process of sending the gun back and stuff.
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Thanks Manny. I am ordering a light spring (for future tinkering) and a longer shroud tube (still waiting to hear if the shrouds from other longer aea guns will fit) that i hope I can put some baffles in so maybe I can convince them to throw in a mag or two for the hassle.
If I had shipped it back they said they would’ve given me a free magazine for the hassle. It almost felt like they were trying to get out of having to pay for shipping the gun back though, obviously those things are cheap to manufacture. I’m not sure if these guys will be convinced to send me two free ones just for having to unscrew something, and I don’t like begging.
more good luck - it looks like my mold from MP molds will arrive today. It got here fast considering where it came from. I don’t know if I have it in me to do any casting today but it will be nice to have some shorter rounds for the magazines.
I’m going to have to design and print a single-shot tray, I’m kind of used to single shot guns and l will probably use it without the magazine most of the time for now as I have a couple boxes of NSA slugs that are too large for the magazine, due to miscommunication from the vendor. Again thank goodness I didn’t buy a mold that casts longer slugs.
The gun feels nice and solid, pretty light, expect it to be heavier. It really is the simplicity that got me to buy this gun as opposed to some others so let’s hope any issues are as simple to deal with as the one I just had.
I don’t know what to say about the crown. It looks like it is opened up a bit to a depth of 1 cm or so and has a clean edge (albeit not a fine polished finish or anything). I’ll try to post a useable picture of it. In the pic you can see the broad flat bases of the rifling which was smoothed/tapered in the last cm or so of the barrel
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If you like single shot I highly suggest you buy this
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XTH39C6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XTH39C6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
It works fantastic with the .357 rounds I have it on all my .357s ......it should work great for your Airforce too.
A little fitting and should be easy to fit it to that tactical stock :)
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Thanks for the suggestion that looks great. I know you already said it works but just wanted to doublecheck it specifies on that link that it’s for 22 caliber. That is the same model you fit .357 in?
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I’m going to have to design and print a single-shot tray, I’m kind of used to single shot guns and l will probably use it without the magazine most of the time for now as I have a couple boxes of NSA slugs that are too large for the magazine, due to miscommunication from the vendor. Again thank goodness I didn’t buy a mold that casts longer slugs.
I designed a single shot tray for my AEA Challenger.22 that a friend is 3D printing.
Not sure if it will adapt to your model, but I’m going to have him send me several extras and I’ll gladly ship you one for free. Might be simply a matter of filing out the pellet notch to your caliber.
I am in the process of designing a single shot tray for this rifle and as I tinker with the 3-D printed prototype for it, I will try to come up with a solution for this problem that I can then adapt to the magazines. But- until I get there, I’d like your suggestions on what to try. It appears that the dimple in the magazines is rather small compared to the detent ball which measures 3 mm wide at the base, so I might start by widening/deepening the dimple.
I’m pretty certain that I could simply add a layer of tape or epoxy to the mags to give them a tighter fit, but I’d like to find a solution that WORKS without creating a force fit.
Here’s my starter SST. My friend is 3D printing some prototypes for me to tinker with:
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/q535/drkgavin/2FC6A54A-466E-4B6C-AC41-AB6221597367.jpeg?width=590&height=370&fit=bounds) (https://photobucket.com/u/drkgavin/a/99a1f5a8-7b19-4176-8203-55d2eb868e6e/p/eaba04e1-06f6-405b-8e2d-a61e9757088a)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/q535/drkgavin/81D9CD96-F563-4780-8413-54FC017C64EA.jpeg?width=590&height=370&fit=bounds) (https://photobucket.com/u/drkgavin/a/99a1f5a8-7b19-4176-8203-55d2eb868e6e/p/ade5ce84-66db-4104-bfb8-86c76c079dc6)
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Here’s his CAD mock-up. I should have a prototype soon.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/q535/drkgavin/04889238-E433-44AE-BB55-CB89A2898998.jpeg?width=590&height=370&fit=bounds) (https://photobucket.com/u/drkgavin/a/17251d4f-198c-49c2-bc1a-a0ed1d34d7dd/p/9929a537-05bf-47dc-8362-354605af7f1b)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/q535/drkgavin/79EF5DA0-FABE-4E1D-A929-94B9885328DA.jpeg?width=590&height=370&fit=bounds) (https://photobucket.com/u/drkgavin/a/17251d4f-198c-49c2-bc1a-a0ed1d34d7dd/p/d95637a4-816a-43e8-8475-0e8d261fca71)
The final design will NOT stick out as far on the right side as my wooden one.
When I’m done testing & tweaking, I’ll have extras made to give to members here. Look for a thread on “SST for AEA Challenger” & post in it if you want to try a freebie.
DrGunner
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Thanks for the suggestion that looks great. I know you already said it works but just wanted to doublecheck it specifies on that link that it’s for 22 caliber. That is the same model you fit .357 in?
Correct, .357 slugs fit perfectly nice and snug.
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OK here’s a stupid question. For this particular gun, once the magazine is inserted the first bullet is pushed into the barrel because you have to cock the gun to insert the magazine.
I’m trying to figure out a way to have the magazine loaded with 8 slugs but no rounds in the chamber. I don’t like the idea of a gun sitting with a slug in the barrel for a number of reasons.
I guess leaving the first spot empty and filling the remaining 7 would accomplish this.
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OK here’s a stupid question. For this particular gun, once the magazine is inserted the first bullet is pushed into the barrel because you have to cock the gun to insert the magazine.
I’m trying to figure out a way to have the magazine loaded with 8 slugs but no rounds in the chamber. I don’t like the idea of a gun sitting with a slug in the barrel for a number of reasons.
I guess leaving the first spot empty and filling the remaining 7 would accomplish this.
Yes, my magazines I have to hold them with the empty chamber and decock the gun in the same time, I think those mags you can just leave an empty spot and decock the gun,
I do that everytime I go hunt or the guns I leave at the ready for quick action at the house :)
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Or you can shoot the 1st round chambered and top the air back up.
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Thanks. I don’t think you can have an empty first chamber with these magazines. If you can I haven’t figured out how to do it. I don’t think there’s any way for me to hold it position with an empty chamber first.
So I will either shoot the first round or wait to insert the magazine until I’m ready to shoot.
You can decock the gun with a pellet in the barrel because but when you re-cock it it will then double feed.
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Unfortunately, due to the retarded design of the magazines, you cannot have an empty first slot on the rotor. The loading sequence starts with you rotating the spring-loaded cover to expose the first slot and then loading it from the front of the magazine, inserting the first slot pellet backwards. Then you flip it and rotate the cover to each slot to load the remainder.
Thanks. I don’t think you can have an empty first chamber with these magazines. If you can I haven’t figured out how to do it. I don’t think there’s any way for me to hold it position with an empty chamber first.
So I will either shoot the first round or wait to insert the magazine until I’m ready to shoot.
You can decock the gun with a pellet in the barrel because but when you re-cock it it will then double feed.
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Thanks. I don’t think you can have an empty first chamber with these magazines. If you can I haven’t figured out how to do it. I don’t think there’s any way for me to hold it position with an empty chamber first.
So I will either shoot the first round or wait to insert the magazine until I’m ready to shoot.
You can decock the gun with a pellet in the barrel because but when you re-cock it it will then double feed.
The easiest way is to load it and shoot the first shot and then hang it on the wall ready to go. I have aftermarket CARM magazines for my SPA stuff that allows me to leave the first chamber empty and de-cock. Otherwise it uses the same "Marauder" style magazines as AEA does. They work well, but have some shortcomings as you are finding.
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Yep. Simple enough to load once you understand the mechanism. I’m actually loving this thing. Got some of the kinks worked out, I’m going to be able to get some parts for it from AEA (long shroud, different weight springs, baffles). It’s nice that they included a well vented front barrel bushing. Shroud comes off like butter so instead of buying a moderator for the muzzle I’m going to have one plain short shroud and one extended shroud with baffles that I can swap in if needed.
I took off the AR stock - not crazy about those in general - and am using it like a pistol, two handed in various forms. This is A LOT of fun, feels futuristic, overpowered and oversized. Duke Nukem’s first toy gun. my early “jumping to conclusions” opinion, based on tinkering and a few shots in the garage, is that this thing is EXACTLY what I was looking for at the start of the pandemic when I got my first pcp (a talon p). That thing was one of the best purchases I’ve ever made because it led to so much tinkering and modification, and it was powerful and obnoxious but fun to shoot.
My MP mold arrived - first brass mold. Those bullets should fit perfectly in the magazines.
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Yep. Simple enough to load once you understand the mechanism. I’m actually loving this thing. Got some of the kinks worked out, I’m going to be able to get some parts for it from AEA (long shroud, different weight springs, baffles). It’s nice that they included a well vented front barrel bushing. Shroud comes off like butter so instead of buying a moderator for the muzzle I’m going to have one plain short shroud and one extended shroud with baffles that I can swap in if needed.
I took off the AR stock - not crazy about those in general - and am using it like a pistol, two handed in various forms. This is A LOT of fun, feels futuristic, overpowered and oversized. Duke Nukem’s first toy gun. my early “jumping to conclusions” opinion, based on tinkering and a few shots in the garage, is that this thing is EXACTLY what I was looking for at the start of the pandemic when I got my first pcp (a talon p). That thing was one of the best purchases I’ve ever made because it led to so much tinkering and modification, and it was powerful and obnoxious but fun to shoot.
My MP mold arrived - first brass mold. Those bullets should fit perfectly in the magazines.
Does the "stock tube" hanging out the back contain the hammer spring? It looks very much like a buffer tube on a military M4/16
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Yep. Simple enough to load once you understand the mechanism. I’m actually loving this thing. Got some of the kinks worked out, I’m going to be able to get some parts for it from AEA (long shroud, different weight springs, baffles). It’s nice that they included a well vented front barrel bushing. Shroud comes off like butter so instead of buying a moderator for the muzzle I’m going to have one plain short shroud and one extended shroud with baffles that I can swap in if needed.
I took off the AR stock - not crazy about those in general - and am using it like a pistol, two handed in various forms. This is A LOT of fun, feels futuristic, overpowered and oversized. Duke Nukem’s first toy gun. my early “jumping to conclusions” opinion, based on tinkering and a few shots in the garage, is that this thing is EXACTLY what I was looking for at the start of the pandemic when I got my first pcp (a talon p). That thing was one of the best purchases I’ve ever made because it led to so much tinkering and modification, and it was powerful and obnoxious but fun to shoot.
My MP mold arrived - first brass mold. Those bullets should fit perfectly in the magazines.
I added an STO Falx to my AEA Challenger .22, kept the shroud. It’s WHISPER quiet, which was the goal. I know taming the bark of a .35 is a different ballgame, just thought I’d share.
Also, I added a depinger brush to mine, yours probably won’t have pinging issues with such a short air tube.
I picked up a barrel band from Bison, it’s a great fit-
https://bisonairriflesandparts.com/
DrG
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Thank you for the suggestions. Id buy an adapter and moderator but no way am I going to drop $200+ on it (watch, I’ll be back in a week with one… approaching the event horizon of the new caliber black hole… lol)
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Kevin,
I want to get rid of the ping of my Challenger Bullpup .25. Can you tell me what brush did you use and details of the installation?
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Yep. Simple enough to load once you understand the mechanism. I’m actually loving this thing. Got some of the kinks worked out, I’m going to be able to get some parts for it from AEA (long shroud, different weight springs, baffles). It’s nice that they included a well vented front barrel bushing. Shroud comes off like butter so instead of buying a moderator for the muzzle I’m going to have one plain short shroud and one extended shroud with baffles that I can swap in if needed.
I took off the AR stock - not crazy about those in general - and am using it like a pistol, two handed in various forms. This is A LOT of fun, feels futuristic, overpowered and oversized. Duke Nukem’s first toy gun. my early “jumping to conclusions” opinion, based on tinkering and a few shots in the garage, is that this thing is EXACTLY what I was looking for at the start of the pandemic when I got my first pcp (a talon p). That thing was one of the best purchases I’ve ever made because it led to so much tinkering and modification, and it was powerful and obnoxious but fun to shoot.
My MP mold arrived - first brass mold. Those bullets should fit perfectly in the magazines.
Does the "stock tube" hanging out the back contain the hammer spring? It looks very much like a buffer tube on a military M4/16
I saw a video- you remove that (if I’m thinking of the same thing that you are) when you want to access the hammer spring.
What I am unclear on is how much it needs to be there and how much of it I can take away I haven’t opened up that part of the gun yet. Right now there’s a metal stump composed of two cylinders that each have some holes in them that I assume are used to get leverage with an allen wrench or some other tool.
Also as you can see there’s some kind of thread lock compound you can see on there which was used in a few different places on this gun.
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The front ring with holes in it is a jam nut for clocking the stock correctly. Loosen it a touch and the main part will unscrew from receiver.
I use closest fitting drill bit shank.
Dave
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I don't have one of these, but if the mags function like Marauder mags then maybe a mod made to a few of mine (Marauder mags) would work here - it lets you put the mag in the breech with no pellet/slug in the first slot.
I simply loaded the mag full, then drilled a small hole through the side of the magazine into the central rotary pellet spacing device. Then with the mag loaded, I insert a push pin into the hole (size the hole to allow the push pin to fit but not with a lot of slop). With the push pin in place, push that first pellet or slug out, and the mag won't index. Then cock the gun, insert the mag, and hold the bolt while pulling the trigger to close the bolt without loading a pellet or firing the gun. Then pull the push pin and you are ready to roll!
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Got ya.
Guess I have been lucky. I just counted up all the plastic covered rotating mags that I have. In .22, .25, .45 I have 37. Other than the first mags that came with the Avenger I think it was, I have never had a problem. I never had a different type of mag to compare to.
To me it's not so much if they are problematic or not, I just really dislike them, I dislike the way you have to load them, I dislike the way ammo rattles inside them and most of all I really dislike the way they look in a gun :)
I would buy a DAR just because of the magazines, I would buy a JTS because of the magazines before I would buy any brand that uses those Marauder style mags
That was the clincher for me, $300 for the gun and all aluminum mags.
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DAR mags for a captured barrel mag should be the standard.
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Thank you for the suggestions. Id buy an adapter and moderator but no way am I going to drop $200+ on it (watch, I’ll be back in a week with one… approaching the event horizon of the new caliber black hole… lol)
I have a Rocker1 that’s threaded female 1/2” UNC, which fits the adapter that I ordered from Bin Tac When I ordered my Challenger. I tested it next to my Falx and they were very close, sound volume was about the same but the Falx had a softer report. Great price on the Rocker1 @ $65.
Kevin aka DrGunner
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Kevin,
I want to get rid of the ping of my Challenger Bullpup .25. Can you tell me what brush did you use and details of the installation?
Degas your gun (loosen the little Allen socket screw on the side of the fill cap at the end of the air tube)
The air tube on my Challenger measures slightly over 1.5” in diameter. You want a brush with bristles that are about 1/4”-1/2” longer than the diameter of your tube, so that when you push the brush in, the bristles are bent backward and provide constant pressure against the inside walls of the air tube to create a dampening affect- the ping is caused by mechanical vibration carried through the walls of the air tube like a bell. I purchased a brush set on Amazon which had bristles on the larger brush that measured 1.9”. I cut a 2 inch section of brush, removed loose bristles, then twisted the metal wires together to hold the bristles tight from where I cut it. I put a couple of O-rings on the cut end of the brush, pushed up Tight against the bristles. Then I put a couple of small zip ties on the wire to back up the O-rings & prevent the wires from untwisting. I finished it off by adding two consecutive layers of heat shrink tubing to mine to keep everything contained. Then I the measured middle of my air tube and ma marked it on the tube with a piece of tape and marked a dowel rod to correspond to the depth I needed to push the brush in to where the center of the brush was at the center of my air tube. I installed it, verified depth, and cycled the action to ensure that it was working. Closed it back up and the job was done. (Don’t forget to tighten up the Allen setscrew that you used to degas the gun)
Add a little bit of fresh silicone grease to the O-rings on your air tube before reassembly.
Here’s the brushes I bought on Amazon.
I bought the set of 4 for $15.99, instead of the option to buy 2 for $11.99. $4 more to get twice the product? That’s a no- brainer.
Mine worked exceedingly well, the ping on my Challenger was downright awful; adding the brush as a depinger reduced the sound by at least 95%.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B073Q3LDYN?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B073Q3LDYN?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title)
Hope this helps-
DrGunner
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DAR mags for a captured barrel mag should be the standard.
Or Evanix Mags,...wonderful in my opinion.
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Got ya.
Guess I have been lucky. I just counted up all the plastic covered rotating mags that I have. In .22, .25, .45 I have 37. Other than the first mags that came with the Avenger I think it was, I have never had a problem. I never had a different type of mag to compare to.
To me it's not so much if they are problematic or not, I just really dislike them, I dislike the way you have to load them, I dislike the way ammo rattles inside them and most of all I really dislike the way they look in a gun :)
I would buy a DAR just because of the magazines, I would buy a JTS because of the magazines before I would buy any brand that uses those Marauder style mags
That was the clincher for me, $300 for the gun and all aluminum mags.
I just noticed your avatar changed. That looks like a Chaser/Bandit in the photo based on the stock, but I can't see you using that for your avatar!
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Kevin,
I want to get rid of the ping of my Challenger Bullpup .25. Can you tell me what brush did you use and details of the installation?
Degas your gun (loosen the little Allen socket screw on the side of the fill cap at the end of the air tube)
The air tube on my Challenger measures slightly over 1.5” in diameter. You want a brush with bristles that are about 1/4”-1/2” longer than the diameter of your tube, so that when you push the brush in, the bristles are bent backward and provide constant pressure against the inside walls of the air tube to create a dampening affect- the ping is caused by mechanical vibration carried through the walls of the air tube like a bell. I purchased a brush set on Amazon which had bristles on the larger brush that measured 1.9”. I cut a 2 inch section of brush, removed loose bristles, then twisted the metal wires together to hold the bristles tight from where I cut it. I put a couple of O-rings on the cut end of the brush, pushed up Tight against the bristles. Then I put a couple of small zip ties on the wire to back up the O-rings & prevent the wires from untwisting. I finished it off by adding two consecutive layers of heat shrink tubing to mine to keep everything contained. Then I the measured middle of my air tube and ma marked it on the tube with a piece of tape and marked a dowel rod to correspond to the depth I needed to push the brush in to where the center of the brush was at the center of my air tube. I installed it, verified depth, and cycled the action to ensure that it was working. Closed it back up and the job was done. (Don’t forget to tighten up the Allen setscrew that you used to degas the gun)
Add a little bit of fresh silicone grease to the O-rings on your air tube before reassembly.
Here’s the brushes I bought on Amazon.
I bought the set of 4 for $15.99, instead of the option to buy 2 for $11.99. $4 more to get twice the product? That’s a no- brainer.
Mine worked exceedingly well, the ping on my Challenger was downright awful; adding the brush as a depinger reduced the sound by at least 95%.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B073Q3LDYN?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B073Q3LDYN?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title)
Hope this helps-
DrGunner
Thanks so much for the detailed answer! You really did a meticulous installation.
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I understand I think in principle how to loosen those rings on the back. I gave it a go and they seem surprisingly snug. Before I go applying too much force and doing something stupid, is there something I should know about these? Just wanted to get the back off take a look at the hammer spring. It should be a piece of cake if I understand it maybe I just need to be a little more bold with the torque.
Thank you
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Maybe they got some complaints about them being loose and started loctiting them?.?. Mine have been easy to loosen.
I probably shouldn’t, but I use the stock at a 90 degree fold to help snug everything back up (while also turning the lock ring).
Dave
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Got ya.
Guess I have been lucky. I just counted up all the plastic covered rotating mags that I have. In .22, .25, .45 I have 37. Other than the first mags that came with the Avenger I think it was, I have never had a problem. I never had a different type of mag to compare to.
To me it's not so much if they are problematic or not, I just really dislike them, I dislike the way you have to load them, I dislike the way ammo rattles inside them and most of all I really dislike the way they look in a gun :)
I would buy a DAR just because of the magazines, I would buy a JTS because of the magazines before I would buy any brand that uses those Marauder style mags
That was the clincher for me, $300 for the gun and all aluminum mags.
I just noticed your avatar changed. That looks like a Chaser/Bandit in the photo based on the stock, but I can't see you using that for your avatar!
Yes, I did change my avatar to the Chaser with the SafePac. It's such a fun grab-n-go gun, tray load and pull the trigger. EZPZ. ;D
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David,
Do you have the dimensions of the hammer spring?
L,W, Wire dia., number of coils?
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OK well it’s off now. I was thinking about ways to begin playing around with the tune and it occurs to me this gun essentially has a fine tune power wheel already. I should achieve a similar result backing that piece out 7 mm as clipping a few spring coils, so that must be worth something. I wonder if you could get a curve out of it just by doing that?
If you added washers this would give you a small up and down adjustment.
I need see if I can find some comparable springs to mess around with next.
Hp max spring is 106mm long
7.8 mm od
5.7 mm id
I like this more and more as I am getting to know it better. Safety mechanism is nice but reverse (forward is “safe”) compare to AF safety so that will take some getting used to. Everything is rock solid it seems.
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Yep, nicely designed guns.
I also made an externally adjustable hs for my varmint. It’s kinda tricky to do but not bad. It uses the guide rod to turn a threaded sleeve in the plug. And yes, that plug is an adjustment. Just don’t go so far the spring guide comes out of its spot.
Dave
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You still need the spring dims?
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AEA 30 carbine mainspring
4.152”
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Yep, nicely designed guns.
I also made an externally adjustable hs for my varmint. It’s kinda tricky to do but not bad. It uses the guide rod to turn a threaded sleeve in the plug. And yes, that plug is an adjustment. Just don’t go so far the spring guide comes out of its spot.
Dave
A 3d printed collar would extend the range of that “power wheel” as far as one might want. Project for tomorrow along with a single shot tray.
Those mags are a hassle. I have a little lube on the pellets I just cast and the magazine keeps slipping out of my fingers and launching across the room. It seems like a solid mechanism just hard to keep it in place at first. Some little grip or texture on the edge of the lucite piece would help
On one of my two magazines the allen screw that hold the clear face on rotates along with the clear face when it is rotated so it tightens up as you insert more pellets. Guess I need a little Loctite for that particular screw
Had some arts and crafts time and cast a handful the slugs pictured (96 gr).
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When are companies gonna start to completely ditch those awful magazines ?
Kudos to JTS to come out with a decent one and not go the easy way and follow this route.
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Thank you for the suggestions. Id buy an adapter and moderator but no way am I going to drop $200+ on it (watch, I’ll be back in a week with one… approaching the event horizon of the new caliber black hole… lol)
I have a “spare part” to offer you... I tried sending you a PM, but your PM box is full...
DrG
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Got ya.
Guess I have been lucky. I just counted up all the plastic covered rotating mags that I have. In .22, .25, .45 I have 37. Other than the first mags that came with the Avenger I think it was, I have never had a problem. I never had a different type of mag to compare to.
To me it's not so much if they are problematic or not, I just really dislike them, I dislike the way you have to load them, I dislike the way ammo rattles inside them and most of all I really dislike the way they look in a gun :)
I would buy a DAR just because of the magazines, I would buy a JTS because of the magazines before I would buy any brand that uses those Marauder style mags
That was the clincher for me, $300 for the gun and all aluminum mags.
I just noticed your avatar changed. That looks like a Chaser/Bandit in the photo based on the stock, but I can't see you using that for your avatar!
Yes, I did change my avatar to the Chaser with the SafePac. It's such a fun grab-n-go gun, tray load and pull the trigger. EZPZ. ;D
My bandit wears a chaser grip/stock. I think about buying an actual Chaser all the time, even though I basically have that in my bandit. How does yours do with CPHP and CP Domes? My bandit wears a .22 CP-1 barrel with the set screw weight and no threads for a mod, and is very loud. It was originally a .177 Chaser rifle barrel, but I wanted to convert to .22 on the cheap. Now I'm just wishing I had bought a full Chaser rifle kit to make the conversion in the first place. I probably will the next time I see a refurb on PA.
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this is just my first print, but I have a working single shot tray now. I will refine it a bit but it does what it needs to for the time being.
Happy to share the file although it is not a complicated model
I have a sovol sv-01 printer and it is amazing. Fantastic perfect prints from day one including many projects that push this thing a bit with overhangs and so on. I don’t know if they’re all like this but if they are that is just fantastic.
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Looks sweet! My .22 prototype should be arriving from my buddy any day now and I’ll get to testing and tweaking it for a final design run.
this is just my first print, but I have a working single shot tray now. I will refine it a bit but it does what it needs to for the time being.
Happy to share the file although it is not a complicated model
I have a sovol sv-01 printer and it is amazing. Fantastic perfect prints from day one including many projects that push this thing a bit with overhangs and so on. I don’t know if they’re all like this but if they are that is just fantastic.
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I can easily 3-D print a compact hopper for round balls or a gravity / spring fed loader for pellets or slugs. Working on both of these right now actually. I’m still using tinker cad which is ridiculous but I can get stuff done with it quickly and simply so I keep going back to it instead of using Fusion or something better.
And I will say again this gun seems to be just fantastic, the construction and adjustability are just what the doctor ordered for an unregulated gun.
Still need to test accuracy so that is an unknown but I am having “reverse buyer’s remorse” which almost never happens. I started skeptical expecting a powerful gun with some compromises or limitations but after that first leak scare, this turns out to be rock solid construction and exactly what I have been hoping to find in terms of power and adjustability. I will have to order a mold that casts in the 80 grain range as well as the 96 grain I got from MP (pictures below, perfect fit for magazines).
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I would love to have a nice anodized hinged single shot loader for all of my PCPs. I have one that I bought from some outfit in England for my Daystate Regal XL and it really works great, snaps into place with a neodymium magnet. I can’t remember the outfit that I bought it from, but the variety of airguns that they offered parts for was quite limited.
I can easily 3-D print a compact hopper for round balls or a gravity / spring fed loader for pellets or slugs. Working on both of these right now actually. I’m still using tinker cad which is ridiculous but I can get stuff done with it quickly and simply so I keep going back to it instead of using Fusion or something better.
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I would love to have a nice anodized hinged single shot loader for all of my PCPs. I have one that I bought from some outfit in England for my Daystate Regal XL and it really works great, snaps into place with a neodymium magnet. I can’t remember the outfit that I bought it from, but the variety of airguns that they offered parts for was quite limited.
That outfit was most likely Rowan Engineering . . . https://www.rowanengineering.com/ (https://www.rowanengineering.com/)
In my opinion, they make some of the best accessories out there.
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I would love to have a nice anodized hinged single shot loader for all of my PCPs. I have one that I bought from some outfit in England for my Daystate Regal XL and it really works great, snaps into place with a neodymium magnet. I can’t remember the outfit that I bought it from, but the variety of airguns that they offered parts for was quite limited.
That outfit was most likely Rowan Engineering . . . https://www.rowanengineering.com/ (https://www.rowanengineering.com/)
In my opinion, they make some of the best accessories out there.
Alan- YEP! That’s the place. I ordered an aluminum trigger guard, with the intent to have it anodized black, but I misplaced it in a remodeling phase and never did find that bugger!
Thanks-
DrGunner
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And I will say again this gun seems to be just fantastic, the construction and adjustability are just what the doctor ordered for an unregulated gun.
Still need to test accuracy so that is an unknown but I am having “reverse buyer’s remorse” which almost never happens. I started skeptical expecting a powerful gun with some compromises or limitations but after that first leak scare, this turns out to be rock solid construction and exactly what I have been hoping to find in terms of power and adjustability.
Couldn’t agree more. I bought the 24” barrel long stock .22 Challenger for backyard plinking and pest raccoons. With a 70FPE ceiling out of the box, I figured it would be the perfect addition to my growing PCP collection IF
it’s durable & accurate. So far I have had to test mine in cold weather but I’m getting nice half-inch groups at 40 yards Shooting 25 and 30 grain slugs with the power turned down substantially, and found it’s pretty efficient on air. What’s nice about unregulated guns in 22 caliber is the broad range of pellets and slugs available in 2-4 grain increments from 14 all the way up to 34 grain, so as the air pressure drops, I simply load lighter pellets.
When I had mine torn down to install the depinger brush, I was pleasantly surprised at how sturdily it is built. Apparently the .22 is built on the same action used for higher caliber’s, so it’s built like a Mack truck inside. I have had no problems with mine whatsoever, the only complaint I have is the magazines. Whoever designed those things needs to see the doctor and have surgery to reverse their rectocranial inversion.
DrG
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Got ya.
Guess I have been lucky. I just counted up all the plastic covered rotating mags that I have. In .22, .25, .45 I have 37. Other than the first mags that came with the Avenger I think it was, I have never had a problem. I never had a different type of mag to compare to.
To me it's not so much if they are problematic or not, I just really dislike them, I dislike the way you have to load them, I dislike the way ammo rattles inside them and most of all I really dislike the way they look in a gun :)
I would buy a DAR just because of the magazines, I would buy a JTS because of the magazines before I would buy any brand that uses those Marauder style mags
That was the clincher for me, $300 for the gun and all aluminum mags.
I just noticed your avatar changed. That looks like a Chaser/Bandit in the photo based on the stock, but I can't see you using that for your avatar!
Yes, I did change my avatar to the Chaser with the SafePac. It's such a fun grab-n-go gun, tray load and pull the trigger. EZPZ. ;D
My bandit wears a chaser grip/stock. I think about buying an actual Chaser all the time, even though I basically have that in my bandit. How does yours do with CPHP and CP Domes? My bandit wears a .22 CP-1 barrel with the set screw weight and no threads for a mod, and is very loud. It was originally a .177 Chaser rifle barrel, but I wanted to convert to .22 on the cheap. Now I'm just wishing I had bought a full Chaser rifle kit to make the conversion in the first place. I probably will the next time I see a refurb on PA.
I'll reply in the Chaser thread... ;)
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Took my 30 caliber standard challenger out yesterday. Great results out at 50 yards. It actually punched a hole in two different el-cheapo walmart cast iron skillets. And being unregulated it didn't have hardly any poi change over a 18 shot string.
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I've been thinking about getting an AEA rifle for a long time and finally, after asking a gazillion questions, ordered a Varmin from Bin Yan at "The Pellet Shop". I've put probably a couple hundred rounds downrange so far but because of the crappy weather I've mostly been shooting my 4" steel gong at 50 yds. Here's the list of issues I've encountered so far and fixed (with Bin's and other's advice):
- POI was 1 foot left of POA - I flipped the shroud end for end, that fixed it.
- Pin fell out of the MFT stock - I removed the stock from the buffer tube, reinstalled the pin and locktighted the set screw in place.
- "Puff" of air from rear of receiver with every shot - this was actually not an issue per se but is a by product of the same receiver being used in both bolt and semi auto rifles.
Likes:
- Plenty of power - I was shooting 18 gr JSB's (.22 cal) and even with the TP closed to 1/3 open the pellets were still hitting the gong with authority.
- Reasonably accurate - I've only shot on paper (50 yds) once, and on a windy day, but with JSB slugs the accuracy seemed excellent
Dislikes:
- The bolt sux - there's no lipstick that will make this pig pretty. That bolt just plain ugly. It's really a workout for your fingers. A longer receiver and a side lever would probably make this a lot easier to operate.
- The trigger sux - not as bad as the bolt, but definitely effects accuracy. The pull is very (very) long and the weight is heavy. The seer contacts look like they've been polished and the break is crisp, but it could definitely use some improvement.
I don't know what can be done to improve that bolt, might have to just live with it as is. I hope to find some lighter springs for the trigger. Now that better weather has finally arrived I plan on shooting over the chrony and test different pellets and slugs. I have targets set up at 137 and 192 yds and I hope to see how well this rifle performs at those longer distances.
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A dedicated bolt action trigger would help a bunch for the travel and gets rid of the ‘clunk’ that’s felt when the trigger releases. Doesn’t make it a match trigger but definitely makes it more predictable.
Nice write up!
Dave
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A dedicated bolt action trigger would help a bunch for the travel and gets rid of the ‘clunk’ that’s felt when the trigger releases. Doesn’t make it a match trigger but definitely makes it more predictable.
Nice write up!
Dave
Thanks Dave, and thanks for your help!
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I've been thinking about getting an AEA rifle for a long time and finally, after asking a gazillion questions, ordered a Varmin from Bin Yan at "The Pellet Shop". I've put probably a couple hundred rounds downrange so far but because of the crappy weather I've mostly been shooting my 4" steel gong at 50 yds. Here's the list of issues I've encountered so far and fixed (with Bin's and other's advice):
- POI was 1 foot left of POA - I flipped the shroud end for end, that fixed it.
- Pin fell out of the MFT stock - I removed the stock from the buffer tube, reinstalled the pin and locktighted the set screw in place.
- "Puff" of air from rear of receiver with every shot - this was actually not an issue per se but is a by product of the same receiver being used in both bolt and semi auto rifles.
Likes:
- Plenty of power - I was shooting 18 gr JSB's (.22 cal) and even with the TP closed to 1/3 open the pellets were still hitting the gong with authority.
- Reasonably accurate - I've only shot on paper (50 yds) once, and on a windy day, but with JSB slugs the accuracy seemed excellent
Dislikes:
- The bolt sux - there's no lipstick that will make this pig pretty. That bolt just plain ugly. It's really a workout for your fingers. A longer receiver and a side lever would probably make this a lot easier to operate.
- The trigger sux - not as bad as the bolt, but definitely effects accuracy. The pull is very (very) long and the weight is heavy. The seer contacts look like they've been polished and the break is crisp, but it could definitely use some improvement.
I don't know what can be done to improve that bolt, might have to just live with it as is. I hope to find some lighter springs for the trigger. Now that better weather has finally arrived I plan on shooting over the chrony and test different pellets and slugs. I have targets set up at 137 and 192 yds and I hope to see how well this rifle performs at those longer distances.
Paul- I tore my .22 Challenger down and stoned/polished the trigger/sear engagement surfaces. Just that tuning trick took my trigger from a gritty feeling 5lb 10oz down to 2lb 10-12oz and improved the feel substantially. I originally planned on changing the reset spring and maybe drilling and tapping the trigger guard or trigger shoe and adding an overtravel set screw, but might not even bother now.
I’m shooting 25, 26 & 30gr H&N and Patriot Javelin slugs and getting better groups with them than with any of the JSB pellets, of which I tried 4 weights. The JSBs weren’t BAD, but mine seems to like slugs better in general.
I also have the power on mine turned down substantially, set at about the “10 O’clock” postition on the power valve markings. BTW- after about 2 weeks of use, the head on the set screw for my power valve broke off when I went to loosen it to reset the power. I replaced it with an Allen socket solid steel M6 screw that I had on hand- I just had to shorten it, chamfer the threads @ the tip and I added a washer. I contacted Bin Tac when it broke and he responded immediately via text and shipped me a replacement valve and screw. I haven’t installed the replacement yet, the screw that I shortened is much stronger then the original (I think the original screw is actually aluminum), so I’ll probably just leave my home brew screw in there for now.
Gotta say, Bin is REALLY great on customer service- prompt, courteous and helpful.
I’m not getting any puff of air from the back of the receiver; from what I can tell, the long stock Challenger (mine) only differs from the HP Varmint in the stock & air tube vs bottle.
It might be that mine’s doing the same thing, but I don’t feel it because it’s contained inside the wood stock. I’ll have mine out Wednesday for another shooting session & I’ll take it out of the stock & shoot a full mag with the action out of the stock and see if mines doing the same thing. I’ll let you know what I find.
Obviously, you wanna check the O-rings on your bolt if you haven’t already. I bought several sets of O-rings made with larger diameter material and have found them to be VERY handy to fix leaks in the shutoff valves & quick connectors that are in-line for my tank, compressor, and water filters.
I have a friend making single shot trays on his 3D printer for mine; I’ll post a thread here when I have a final tuned version. I plan to have a pile of extras made and send them to members here for free. Look for that thread in the weeks ahead and I’ll send you one.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/q535/drkgavin/04889238-E433-44AE-BB55-CB89A2898998.jpeg?width=590&height=370&fit=bounds) (https://photobucket.com/u/drkgavin/a/17251d4f-198c-49c2-bc1a-a0ed1d34d7dd/p/9929a537-05bf-47dc-8362-354605af7f1b)
Regards,
DrGunner
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I’m not getting any puff of air from the back of the receiver; from what I can tell, the long stock Challenger (mine) only differs from the HP Varmint in the stock & air tube vs bottle.
Regards,
DrGunner
Are you saying you could take the action out of the stock, and screw on a folding stock, and that an Aluminum or CF bottle will fit on the action?
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I have the trigger on my AEA carbine at 2.75lb. I stoned the flat side of the sear and then polished the contact surfaces with an extra fine rubberized disc. Still has some creep but I'm shooting it some to see if it changes any. Triggers are pretty basic on the AEA's I've seen, much like some 22 LR SA's.
My bolt was too hard for me to cock one hand when I got it. The last 1/2 in was very difficult. Tore it down and the hammer spring was binding on the guide. Polished the guide and filed the end of springs to remove sharp edges. Oiled with Amsoil synthetic ND and reassembled. Pull was about one third easier and last half inch was much easier. Another trick I learned was putting o rings on the bolt handle. Gives a bigger surface area to lpull on. Works good for me.
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Nooooo no no- I have the long stock .22 Challenger, with wood stock. His is the HP Varmint. I was just saying I can pull my action from the stock & test it to see if mine is making a puff of air with each shot like he describes his as doing. I’m thinking it won’t, but figured I could test for him...
I’m not getting any puff of air from the back of the receiver; from what I can tell, the long stock Challenger (mine) only differs from the HP Varmint in the stock & air tube vs bottle.
Regards,
DrGunner
Are you saying you could take the action out of the stock, and screw on a folding stock, and that an Aluminum or CF bottle will fit on the action?
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Funny- I actually stretched a Viton sleeve over mine that I had in a container full of them that Kidd sent me when I asked them for ONE.
I’ll have to swap with O-rings & see if that’s more comfortable. Mines not all that hard to cock, it’s definitely getting easier with time as it breaks in.
DrG
I have the trigger on my AEA carbine at 2.75lb. I stoned the flat side of the sear and then polished the contact surfaces with an extra fine rubberized disc. Still has some creep but I'm shooting it some to see if it changes any. Triggers are pretty basic on the AEA's I've seen, much like some 22 LR SA's.
My bolt was too hard for me to cock one hand when I got it. The last 1/2 in was very difficult. Tore it down and the hammer spring was binding on the guide. Polished the guide and filed the end of springs to remove sharp edges. Oiled with Amsoil synthetic ND and reassembled. Pull was about one third easier and last half inch was much easier. Another trick I learned was putting o rings on the bolt handle. Gives a bigger surface area to lpull on. Works good for me.
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Nooooo no no- I have the long stock .22 Challenger, with wood stock. His is the HP Varmint. I was just saying I can pull my action from the stock & test it to see if mine is making a puff of air with each shot like he describes his as doing. I’m thinking it won’t, but figured I could test for him...
OK, thanks. I have a spare Al bottle that came with the used AEA HP Carbine I bought. Looking for an inexpensive way to "make" an HP Varmint without using my action. I know I can buy a barrel and bolt and covert, but didn't want to do that. ;D
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I have really been looking at the challenger or HP standard as my first PCP but keep seeing comments on the magazines. Is there even a way to get these guns working with a different style mag (DAR or other) or would that mean a total redesign of the gun?
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I think the issue with the mags is largely due to the masses not liking the plastic and style they are.
Most who have no issues with the mags don’t always speak up.
I will say I have had no issues with my 30 carbine mag. It has been through several learning curves with the grandkids. I have two more still in the package.
I do however get that some folks seem to have gotten some duds.
Dave
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I got a spring kit from Harbor Freight and swapped out both the trigger and seer springs in the rifle. Easy to do and now the pull weight is much less (maybe 2 lbs?) but still too long and gritty. I filled the tank to about 3,400 psi and shot two magazines to 50 yds. Using JSB KnockOuts. My first two groups were to sight in the scope. Here are my 2nd two groups. Wind was 5 mph from behind - right. With a better trigger this rifle will do better.
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I saw a review and apparently the HP max does not have some of the issues that gave been described from the earlier guns. I will post a link because the person doing the review was pretty surprised about the differences. Among other things, it has a better trigger, no air puffs, etc.
I found out today is very easy to access the hammer so I took it out and put some lubrication on it. Again amazed at how simple and well built this gun is. The hammer setup would lend itself to adding additional weights if anyone wanted to go that route.
Here is the review that highlights the improvements on this gun. This is one of only a couple of videos I could find (that wasn’t just some superficially-knowledgeable guy basically on screen fawning over manufacturers and debasing themselves in the hopes they will get sent more guns to review). Those are useful if you want to get hyped up to buy some thing I suppose.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6D0v0S6QpUg
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I got a spring kit from Harbor Freight and swapped out both the trigger and seer springs in the rifle. Easy to do and now the pull weight is much less (maybe 2 lbs?) but still too long and gritty. I filled the tank to about 3,400 psi and shot two magazines to 50 yds. Using JSB KnockOuts. My first two groups were to sight in the scope. Here are my 2nd two groups. Wind was 5 mph from behind - right. With a better trigger this rifle will do better.
Nice!
Dave
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I lucked out - some vendor on Amazon had a spring that is the same dimensions a bit lighter than the stock heavy spring. I can use this for a lower pressure fill when I want to pump by hand. The HP max spring is 8mm.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08KQJSC9L?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08KQJSC9L?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title)
Waiting for DonnyFL adapter so I can finally fire more than just an odd shot here or there.
Update:
That spring at the same length as the stock spring is strong enough to just barely open the valve at 4500 psi. I think this might be a great spring for a tune with a curve down near 3600-4000 psi.
I was thinking - someone was 3d printing light ammo - setting a bb in the hollow tip of a printed plastic Diablo pellet. If I want to have a low power tune for this gun it might be interesting to 3-D print hollow pellets to use as sabots to launch lighter 50-75 grain .25 or .257 slugs. Good idea, bad idea, who knows.
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The magazines are just a PITA to learn to load. Once you get the hang of it, they’re not THAT bad. I’ve just been spoiled by better designed mags on my other PCPs. We are just finding something to whine about; typical first world problems.
The mag design would NOT stop me from buying the Challenger- I love mine.
I’m designing a single shot tray to allow me to test many different loads at different power settings without having to load/remove a mag at all.
DrGunner
I have really been looking at the challenger or HP standard as my first PCP but keep seeing comments on the magazines. Is there even a way to get these guns working with a different style mag (DAR or other) or would that mean a total redesign of the gun?
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I lucked out - some vendor on Amazon had a spring that is the same dimensions a bit lighter than the stock heavy spring. I can use this for a lower pressure fill when I want to pump by hand. The HP max spring is 8mm.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08KQJSC9L?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08KQJSC9L?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title)
Waiting for DonnyFL adapter so I can finally fire more than just an odd shot here or there.
Update:
That spring at the same length as the stock spring is strong enough to just barely open the valve at 4500 psi. I think this might be a great spring for a tune with a curve down near 3600-4000 psi.
I was thinking - someone was 3d printing light ammo - setting a bb in the hollow tip of a printed plastic Diablo pellet. If I want to have a low power tune for this gun it might be interesting to 3-D print hollow pellets to use as sabots to launch lighter 50-75 grain .25 or .257 slugs. Good idea, bad idea, who knows.
The only thing I don't like about plastics in ammo is the micro plastics that end up everywhere. We were considering poly composite decking, but the thought of the material basically constantly shedding micro plastics around our house, garden, etc. is off putting. I see ammo that incorporates plastic the same way. I do fully recognize the ballistic advantages that can be found with plastic sabots and stuff like that.
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The magazines are just a PITA to learn to load. Once you get the hang of it, they’re not THAT bad. I’ve just been spoiled by better designed mags on my other PCPs. We are just finding something to whine about; typical first world problems.
The mag design would NOT stop me from buying the Challenger- I love mine.
I’m designing a single shot tray to allow me to test many different loads at different power settings without having to load/remove a mag at all.
DrGunner
Thanks for the feedback. I have been eying the challenger as the price is so cheap but also the HP standard customized as it is regulated and Lego style. I know huma makes a reg for the challenger bullpup but then shouldn't i just get the hp standard customized?
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I lucked out - some vendor on Amazon had a spring that is the same dimensions a bit lighter than the stock heavy spring. I can use this for a lower pressure fill when I want to pump by hand. The HP max spring is 8mm.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08KQJSC9L?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08KQJSC9L?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title)
Waiting for DonnyFL adapter so I can finally fire more than just an odd shot here or there.
Update:
That spring at the same length as the stock spring is strong enough to just barely open the valve at 4500 psi. I think this might be a great spring for a tune with a curve down near 3600-4000 psi.
I was thinking - someone was 3d printing light ammo - setting a bb in the hollow tip of a printed plastic Diablo pellet. If I want to have a low power tune for this gun it might be interesting to 3-D print hollow pellets to use as sabots to launch lighter 50-75 grain .25 or .257 slugs. Good idea, bad idea, who knows.
The only thing I don't like about plastics in ammo is the micro plastics that end up everywhere. We were considering poly composite decking, but the thought of the material basically constantly shedding micro plastics around our house, garden, etc. is off putting. I see ammo that incorporates plastic the same way. I do fully recognize the ballistic advantages that can be found with plastic sabots and stuff like that.
I print in pla+ which can decompose completely as I understand it. Pretty durable and smells like maple syrup when printing instead of melting styrofoam.
And I agree - the magazine may not be ideal but they work great. If that is all that is holding you back…
By the way the Amazon spring I posted a link to is not heavy enough to get any power out even at 3000 psi. It is quiet and shoots everything just not with much oomph. That spring would have to be for some ultralight pellet for sure.
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Don't recall anyone posting info on the AEA barrels. Are the choked or not? Especially in .22 or .25? Thanks
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I lucked out - some vendor on Amazon had a spring that is the same dimensions a bit lighter than the stock heavy spring. I can use this for a lower pressure fill when I want to pump by hand. The HP max spring is 8mm.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08KQJSC9L?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08KQJSC9L?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title)
Waiting for DonnyFL adapter so I can finally fire more than just an odd shot here or there.
Update:
That spring at the same length as the stock spring is strong enough to just barely open the valve at 4500 psi. I think this might be a great spring for a tune with a curve down near 3600-4000 psi.
I was thinking - someone was 3d printing light ammo - setting a bb in the hollow tip of a printed plastic Diablo pellet. If I want to have a low power tune for this gun it might be interesting to 3-D print hollow pellets to use as sabots to launch lighter 50-75 grain .25 or .257 slugs. Good idea, bad idea, who knows.
The only thing I don't like about plastics in ammo is the micro plastics that end up everywhere. We were considering poly composite decking, but the thought of the material basically constantly shedding micro plastics around our house, garden, etc. is off putting. I see ammo that incorporates plastic the same way. I do fully recognize the ballistic advantages that can be found with plastic sabots and stuff like that.
I print in pla+ which can decompose completely as I understand it. Pretty durable and smells like maple syrup when printing instead of melting styrofoam.
And I agree - the magazine may not be ideal but they work great. If that is all that is holding you back…
By the way the Amazon spring I posted a link to is not heavy enough to get any power out even at 3000 psi. It is quiet and shoots everything just not with much oomph. That spring would have to be for some ultralight pellet for sure.
Didn't realize PLA could hold up in a barrel like that! Thanks for mentioning that, perhaps there is a place for plastics in my ammo.
Edit: After posting I went and found some scholarly articles on PLA and there are almost no naturally occurring enzymes that can break down PLA. It can be industrially composted, but not naturally.
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I've never had problems with any of the mags that came with four different AEA guns, they all seem to work just fine for me. My ammo is all hand cast too.
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Don't recall anyone posting info on the AEA barrels. Are the choked or not? Especially in .22 or .25? Thanks
I was told (by Bin at The Pellet Shop) that the Varmint barrel has a "gradual, slight choke" that works especially well with slugs. I hope to do some accuracy testing this week with a variety of slugs.
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I've never had problems with any of the mags that came with four different AEA guns, they all seem to work just fine for me. My ammo is all hand cast too.
I neither like nor dislike the mags, but they do seem to work. No problems so far. I would buy a single shot tray if one were available. Just to have in case I didn't want to shoot 12 rounds in one go. There's plenty of room to hand load in my Varmint .22 but a tray would make it even easier.
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Don't recall anyone posting info on the AEA barrels. Are the choked or not? Especially in .22 or .25? Thanks
I was told (by Bin at The Pellet Shop) that the Varmint barrel has a "gradual, slight choke" that works especially well with slugs. I hope to do some accuracy testing this week with a variety of slugs.
From slugging, none of mine are choked. Early on Bintacllc Bin claimed non choked.
Has anyone slugged their barrel and found it to be choked?
Dave
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....This is one of only a couple of videos I could find (that wasn’t just some superficially-knowledgeable guy basically on screen fawning over manufacturers and debasing themselves in the hopes they will get sent more guns to review)....
My two biggest Youtube dislikes are a) people who just love to hear themselves talk and b) people like you describe above. Two big thumbs up for your comment.
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Don't recall anyone posting info on the AEA barrels. Are the choked or not? Especially in .22 or .25? Thanks
I was told (by Bin at The Pellet Shop) that the Varmint barrel has a "gradual, slight choke" that works especially well with slugs. I hope to do some accuracy testing this week with a variety of slugs.
From slugging, none of mine are choked. Early on Bintacllc Bin claimed non choked.
Has anyone slugged their barrel and found it to be choked?
Dave
Not yet, and you could be right. What diameter was your .22 Varmint bore? All my slugs are .217.
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I would have to slug it again, can’t remember the exact diameter.
Dave
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Don't recall anyone posting info on the AEA barrels. Are the choked or not? Especially in .22 or .25? Thanks
I was told (by Bin at The Pellet Shop) that the Varmint barrel has a "gradual, slight choke" that works especially well with slugs. I hope to do some accuracy testing this week with a variety of slugs.
From slugging, none of mine are choked. Early on Bintacllc Bin claimed non choked.
Has anyone slugged their barrel and found it to be choked?
Dave
Not yet, and you could be right. What diameter was your .22 Varmint bore? All my slugs are .217.
I don't know if my Challenger LS has a gradual choked barrel in it because I've never physically pushed a slug down the barrel however it shoots my cast .218 slugs excellent. I also have the HP 25 cal semi auto carbine that I pondered on getting the varmint barrel kit for but when the Callenger LS in .22 was available again I went for it and very glad that I did.
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The screw and collar on the butt end of the gun that the stock bolts onto is basically an airforce style power wheel (as opposed to the restrictor type used in the AEA guns).
No need to clip springs, as backed all the way out it results in a hammer strike that just barely releases a burst of air - a very underpowered shot. Adjusting the preload by screwing it father in allows me to get a nice “garage-friendly” low power tune that shoots with plenty of power for plinking or paper punching at short range but is not so loud while I’m waiting for my DonnyFL adapter.
My plan is to put some washers at the end of the spring guide to increase the preload on the spring across the board. Then back out the nut that holds the spring to balance out the preload added by the washers.
From there I’ll be able to use it like a power wheel. Mark where “zero” is then add preload or reduce preload from baseline by turning CW or CCW. I know this isn’t an example of “brilliant airgun modification” but it’s kind of cool to me that this easy externally adjustable tuning is possible. This gun is honestly exactly what I have been looking for over the years. Compact, simple design, easily broken down, inherent tuneability, high top end and wide dynamic range, no plastic or complex parts to break or lose.
The weak point is the magazines I guess. One of mine doesn’t snap in securely and needs to be reseated more often than it should be. The lucite part tends to tighten and loosen at random - the screw is not secure and needs to be stuck in place with thread lock.
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I have the trigger on my AEA carbine at 2.75lb. I stoned the flat side of the sear and then polished the contact surfaces with an extra fine rubberized disc. Still has some creep but I'm shooting it some to see if it changes any. Triggers are pretty basic on the AEA's I've seen, much like some 22 LR SA's.
My bolt was too hard for me to cock one hand when I got it. The last 1/2 in was very difficult. Tore it down and the hammer spring was binding on the guide. Polished the guide and filed the end of springs to remove sharp edges. Oiled with Amsoil synthetic ND and reassembled. Pull was about one third easier and last half inch was much easier. Another trick I learned was putting o rings on the bolt handle. Gives a bigger surface area to lpull on. Works good for me.
did you take any pics of this or do you know of any videos showing the process . i have a first gen semi auto , a 22 hp ss plus , would like to work on the trigger on both.. good idea on the o rings , i thougt of it , but forgot it & was looking for like a rubber cup to fit on the cocking knob.
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Well here is a simple thing I was able to pull off with 3d printing. Like many I prefer a gun that doesn’t need a separate probe and can just be hooked right up to the compressor. Leaving the fill probe in works but it sticks out pretty far and might get banged up over time. I made something to give that a little more support and protection.
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With the hammer spring retaining nut / stock anchor backed out around this far, I can shoot at a relatively quiet 50-60 fpe.
Tightened up a bit, 95 fpe is also easy on the ears.
The nice thing is I found some lower energy settings where (while I wait for a DonnyFL adapter) I can test things out in my garage without blowing out my ear drums or having a pitchfork and torch bearing mob show up after someone panics on “nextdoor”.
I also got a greater number of shots than I expected with the hammer backed off. It is interesting… at half the power you get way more than twice the number of shots. Getting those last 65 fpe costs a lot in terms of efficiency.
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I had problems with all four of my mags needing to be reseated after every shot. It happens because the barrel stub doesn’t protrude enough to hold the magazine against the slot for the breech face.
The simple fix was to remove the shroud, unlock the barrel lock nut, thread the barrel IN about 1/3-1/2 turn, & lock it back down.
Worked like a charm for mine.
DrGunner
The screw and collar on the butt end of the gun that the stock bolts onto is basically an airforce style power wheel (as opposed to the restrictor type used in the AEA guns).
No need to clip springs, as backed all the way out it results in a hammer strike that just barely releases a burst of air - a very underpowered shot. Adjusting the preload by screwing it father in allows me to get a nice “garage-friendly” low power tune that shoots with plenty of power for plinking or paper punching at short range but is not so loud while I’m waiting for my DonnyFL adapter.
My plan is to put some washers at the end of the spring guide to increase the preload on the spring across the board. Then back out the nut that holds the spring to balance out the preload added by the washers.
From there I’ll be able to use it like a power wheel. Mark where “zero” is then add preload or reduce preload from baseline by turning CW or CCW. I know this isn’t an example of “brilliant airgun modification” but it’s kind of cool to me that this easy externally adjustable tuning is possible. This gun is honestly exactly what I have been looking for over the years. Compact, simple design, easily broken down, inherent tuneability, high top end and wide dynamic range, no plastic or complex parts to break or lose.
The weak point is the magazines I guess. One of mine doesn’t snap in securely and needs to be reseated more often than it should be. The lucite part tends to tighten and loosen at random - the screw is not secure and needs to be stuck in place with thread lock.
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Makes sense - will try that out if possible.
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I had problems with all four of my mags needing to be reseated after every shot. It happens because the barrel stub doesn’t protrude enough to hold the magazine against the slot for the breech face.
The simple fix was to remove the shroud, unlock the barrel lock nut, thread the barrel IN about 1/3-1/2 turn, & lock it back down.
Worked like a charm for mine.
DrGunner
The screw and collar on the butt end of the gun that the stock bolts onto is basically an airforce style power wheel (as opposed to the restrictor type used in the AEA guns).
No need to clip springs, as backed all the way out it results in a hammer strike that just barely releases a burst of air - a very underpowered shot. Adjusting the preload by screwing it father in allows me to get a nice “garage-friendly” low power tune that shoots with plenty of power for plinking or paper punching at short range but is not so loud while I’m waiting for my DonnyFL adapter.
My plan is to put some washers at the end of the spring guide to increase the preload on the spring across the board. Then back out the nut that holds the spring to balance out the preload added by the washers.
From there I’ll be able to use it like a power wheel. Mark where “zero” is then add preload or reduce preload from baseline by turning CW or CCW. I know this isn’t an example of “brilliant airgun modification” but it’s kind of cool to me that this easy externally adjustable tuning is possible. This gun is honestly exactly what I have been looking for over the years. Compact, simple design, easily broken down, inherent tuneability, high top end and wide dynamic range, no plastic or complex parts to break or lose.
The weak point is the magazines I guess. One of mine doesn’t snap in securely and needs to be reseated more often than it should be. The lucite part tends to tighten and loosen at random - the screw is not secure and needs to be stuck in place with thread lock.
Kevin I bought mine from the pellet shop, it's the last AEA that I bought, is that where you ordered yours from? Bin said before he even shipped mine that he checked it over good, mine was adjusted perfect from the get go.
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I have to say he did a good job checking mine over too. I have done nothing other than scope it, sling it, and clean the barrel. And enjoy!
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With the hammer spring retaining nut / stock anchor backed out around this far, I can shoot at a relatively quiet 50-60 fpe.
Tightened up a bit, 95 fpe is also easy on the ears.
The nice thing is I found some lower energy settings where (while I wait for a DonnyFL adapter) I can test things out in my garage without blowing out my ear drums or having a pitchfork and torch bearing mob show up after someone panics on “nextdoor”.
I also got a greater number of shots than I expected with the hammer backed off. It is interesting… at half the power you get way more than twice the number of shots. Getting those last 65 fpe costs a lot in terms of efficiency.
What caliber is your AEA? I'm thinking my next air rifle may be a .30 to keep in the truck.
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Yep, mine came from the Pellet Shop as well. Both mags that came with the rifle would shift about 1/8-3/16” to the right when I cycled the bolt. I thought it was a problem with the dimple under the mag not being deep enough for the detent ball, but I didn’t want to mod anything without posting a thread & asking others. Someone here suggested that I adjust the barrel protrusion at the breech, and that fixed it right up. Simple adjustment, really- and not something that Bin would have noticed in a simple function test. He probably loads 2-3 pellets in a mag & shoots them. The magazine shift I was seeing would happen during the first 3-4 shots of a FULLY LOADED mag- I’m assuming the driving force was the mag rotor shifting against the narrow part of the bolt probe when the bolt is drawn back on an empty mag slot.
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Kevin the gun in my signature is the same way, you need to make sure when you take them apart for modifying etc that when you put the barrel back in you need to make sure the mag is a good fit also.
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Just by being used to Evanix magazines and now using the JTS magazines I'm blown away at why companies still stay with the crappy Marauder style mags
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Just by being used to Evanix magazines and now using the JTS magazines I'm blown away at why companies still stay with the crappy Marauder style mags
You can bet it’s about $$$. They probably use the Marauder mags because they can do so without paying anyone for the rights to use the design, and don’t have to shell out for R & D to
design something better.
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I've not had any issues with my magazines, maybe I'm just lucky. I've also pulled the barrel on my Varmint several times and was careful to check that the magazine cleared the breech properly while reinstalling. Maybe that helps, I don't know.
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Gauntlet and Diana use the same style and I have had nothing but issues with them both. I single load the Diana now.
Never had a single issue with the DAR magazines.
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I respect Manny and his experience but, I have the Marauder type mags in 3 different calibers and they are used in several of the guns I own. I also must have been born with the silver spoon because I have never had anywhere near the issues that some claim to experience. Matter of fact, I have yet to have one fail.
I will agree with the claim that there are much better made mags.... Evanix and BSA among them. However, there are complaints to be made against the spring and o-ring pellet trapping design too.
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That’s great to hear.
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LOL.... I can only comment on personal experience... just as we all do.
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Not only I had issues with a bunch of them in my Marauders and the one AEA, but they Have a stupid system to load them ( all or nothing ) they rattle and they look plain ugly in the gun
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I've loaded them with 2,3,4,5 and up without an issue.
But like I said... personal experience is all we got.... ;)
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I've loaded them with 2,3,4,5 and up without an issue.
But like I said... personal experience is all we got.... ;)
Yeah but cannot load and leave an open spot to get the mag in the gun without a round in the breech and cannot just take the mag out and top it off you need to empty them and start all over again.
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I've loaded them with 2,3,4,5 and up without an issue.
But like I said... personal experience is all we got.... ;)
Yeah but cannot load and leave an open spot to get the mag in the gun without a round in the breech and cannot just take the mag out and top it off you need to empty them and start all over again.
Agreed.... You can do that with the Airacuda?
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Not only I had issues with a bunch of them in my Marauders and the one AEA, but they Have a stupid system to load them ( all or nothing ) they rattle and they look plain ugly in the gun
True that!
My personal experiences include a measure of preference as well. I make decisions based on preference all day long because of the outcome I desire and the end results others demand. If there is a stronger motivator, I am unaware of it personally. There's room at the table for us all, potato-potato. ::)
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Can someone PLEASE tell me how to un-subscribe from this thread?
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Sure, read around it then mark it as read..... :P
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Doesn't look like the software allows you to unsubscribe from threads, sorry.
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Every once in while someone actually post useful information instead of complaining about the mags. ;D
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Can someone PLEASE tell me how to un-subscribe from this thread?
Just don't open it anymore,...pretty simple :) :)
Gotta give credit where credit is due and also need to criticize when you have something that you don't like, cannot just live with butterflies, unicorns and fluffy clouds :) :)
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Gotta give credit where credit is due and also need to criticize when you have something that you don't like, cannot just live with butterflies, unicorns and fluffy clouds :) :)
It's a simple fix. Take your Evanix magazines and have a machine shop fit them to your rifles. I didn't like my single shot KAM P12, so I modified it to hold Gauntlet magazines. Yeah, I know you don't like them.
What style magazines do the Aircuda use? Still waiting on that answer.
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Man I feel like a broken record but the HP max has me grinning like an idiot every time I use it. The “power wheel” on the back had enabled me to do some quieter garage shooting at 40-60 fpe.
I am wondering about finding some weights to add to the hammer at some point just to add another way to tune. Seems like i should be able to find nuts or washers that would fit t behind the hammer.
I 3d printed some cylinders of different lengths that can just be dropped into the hollow of the spring retaining nut or whatever you call the stump on the back. Didn’t feel like hunting for the right washers. I won’t have any data on power until I get the moderator in place, which should be in just a couple of days.
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Gotta give credit where credit is due and also need to criticize when you have something that you don't like, cannot just live with butterflies, unicorns and fluffy clouds :) :)
It's a simple fix. Take your Evanix magazines and have a machine shop fit them to your rifles. I didn't like my single shot KAM P12, so I modified it to hold Gauntlet magazines. Yeah, I know you don't like them.
What style magazines do the Aircuda use? Still waiting on that answer.
more simple is just not buying rifles that have magazines that I don't like :)
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Maybe time to move on from all these magazine opinions back and forth? What are we accomplishing here? Some like them some don’t.
Does anyone else who actually has one of these guns have plans to be doing any work on it or have anything to add to the discussion?
I will be happy to share the stl files for my simple 3D printed add ons (single shot tray, hammer booster, surround for gauge and fill probe).
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Reviews for the most part are great,
price is Phenomenal,
styling of the guns is very nice,
great variety,
many model are very modular,
Powerhouses.
If I was to start a stable now AEA would most likely get the nod,....actually I think it certainly would ;D ;D
Sure seems like you were wanting one in your first post and others that I have read in this thread and others.
Yeah the price is phenomenal because they use magazines that you don't like. Simple and cost effective. Can't have Cadillac features at Vega prices.
Still would like to know what type of magazines are in the Aircuda that you are raving about?
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I'm sure CARM will make some magazines for these AEA guns, they make magazines for many of the Marauder style magazine guns.
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I sent them a note encouraging them to make some for AEA.
What I would love to see would be a longer barrel to swap out for the short one - this gun has airforce like simplicity and having a couple of barrels to swap along with springs and hammers - it would be fantastic I imagine for someone who didn’t mind the longer form.
For me, the stubby nature of the gun is something I specifically was seeking but it would be nice to be able to quickly change from pistol/carbine to a longer gun.
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I sent them a note encouraging them to make some for AEA.
What I would love to see would be a longer barrel to swap out for the short one - this gun has airforce like simplicity and having a couple of barrels to swap along with springs and hammers - it would be fantastic I imagine for someone who didn’t mind the longer form.
For me, the stubby nature of the gun is something I specifically was seeking but it would be nice to be able to quickly change from pistol/carbine to a longer gun.
There's definitely more power left on the table using that stubby barrel. I suspect they didn't want to step on the toes of the Challenger Big 9. One of these could end up in my stable with multiple length barrels available.
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One thing I was wondering about was polishing maybe contouring some of the edges in the airflow path. I guess that would be the holes through which the air flows… from the tube and through the openings in the barrel itself. Waste of time?
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From my AEA varmint mods thread…I made my hst externally adjustable and still retained the guide rod.
I threaded the inside of rear plug. Made a threaded plunger. Drilled it and cut grooves lengthwise it’s id. Cross drilled the guide rod for a small pin and cut a screwdriver slot in the end of the guide rod.
You can access the screwdriver slot from back of plug.
Hard to see some of the details in this picture but I’m not home right now to get better pics.
Dave
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That’s awesome - wish I had the ability to do what you did there. Since I am not using the stock, I can just turn the whole thing as far in/out as I want and lock it with the ring by hand.
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Reviews for the most part are great,
price is Phenomenal,
styling of the guns is very nice,
great variety,
many model are very modular,
Powerhouses.
If I was to start a stable now AEA would most likely get the nod,....actually I think it certainly would ;D ;D
Sure seems like you were wanting one in your first post and others that I have read in this thread and others.
Yeah the price is phenomenal because they use magazines that you don't like. Simple and cost effective. Can't have Cadillac features at Vega prices.
Still would like to know what type of magazines are in the Aircuda that you are raving about?
DAR, Urban, JTS are bottom of the price spectrum and still make fantastic magazines :)
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Hey I have a question that is eating me alive: what do you all think about the magazines? :)
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Hey I have a question that is eating me alive: what do you all think about the magazines? :)
We may never know ::)
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Hey I have a question that is eating me alive: what do you all think about the magazines? :)
Hahahahaha :)
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Hey I have a question that is eating me alive: what do you all think about the magazines? :)
We may never know ::)
I cannot accept that answer!
The question is, does anyone like them or dislike them? Let’s stay focused here
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Couple things that make me say no to a gun, if any of those are there it's a no go for me.
Bolt action, no barrel band, Marauder style magazines....that comes from having had several guns with those features and always got to the point of getting rid of them until I learned :) Hahaha
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Couple things that make me say no to a gun, if any of those are there it's a no go for me.
Bolt action, no barrel band, Marauder style magazines....that comes from having had several guns with those features and always got to the point of getting rid of them until I learned :) Hahaha
I have challenger pro in .30 being delivered tomorrow. Sidelever but I think it still has Marauder style mags and no barrel band but if it passes my testing I will send it to you to try out on some hogs.
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Ok, now I am a bit confused.... probably don't take much but....
Some 25 pages ago the AEA line was the cat's ^&*... Don't they use the same type mags?
And suddenly it's a deal breaker?
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Well yeah they look great, seem to be very accurate, powerful, the semis seem to be spot on, great prices,...they do have a lot going on.
But same as KRAL I would only buy them if I could get a Carm magazine, so same applies to AEA :)
I bought 5 Marauders because along the way I forgot how much I hated the mags, as soon I started to use the new one that arrived was like,..."DANG" ;D ;D ;D LOL .."that's why I sold the other one" ;D ;D ;D
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So you are saying the magazines are not for you?
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Couple things that make me say no to a gun, if any of those are there it's a no go for me.
Bolt action, no barrel band, Marauder style magazines....that comes from having had several guns with those features and always got to the point of getting rid of them until I learned :) Hahaha
I have challenger pro in .30 being delivered tomorrow. Sidelever but I think it still has Marauder style mags and no barrel band but if it passes my testing I will send it to you to try out on some hogs.
Thank you Troy for the offer but at the moment I don't even have the room to store guns,...we are subletting a house and we have stuff everywhere, been having to be creative just to find a place for the 2 JTS at the moment :)
Also I'm really struggling with finding time to even shoot the JTSs, I'm working a lot, surfing a lot I'm just swamped :) :)
But I hope you have a Thread about it because I would love to follow it, I really like your approach on things and I listen to what you say.
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One gun i would buy if it shows up is the mark 2 version of the HP semi auto bullpup. Having trouble getting my photo to post. This is what I was looking for at first - called Bin Tac and he advised me to wait for the next version (and he steered me to the HP Max in the meanwhile).
I used to ogle the Huben K1 every once in a while but could not stomach the price tag. this seems like the aea analog. Semi auto, bullpup, 80 fpe in .25. You can order the current model but it had too strong a puff of air-in-the-face and the next one would be out in roughly 2 months.
Not traditional looking but it looks functional and that’s fine for me. The question I would need answered is (not what kind of magazine!) how much is this like the Max in terms of simplicity and construction. I will end up with one if it comes out and is on par with their other newer guns, just to try to fill the void in my heart left by the absence of a huben.
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Bill I too wonder myself because all four of my AEA's have been completely trouble free and they're all bone stock.
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Oh well,....the Zeus is just the cooler gun :)
Also don't like those long broomsticks, I would get a Zeus with the 16" barrel.
Maybe put it in a Bullpup stock like the Challenger!
Don't they have a .50 cal Bullpup ? AEA sure has a lot of diverse offerings.
it would be easy to fill a complete line up of guns with just AEA products, they offer just about everything, cover all bases.
You mean kinda like your Evanix list? ... lol
LOL :) :) ....yeah, I'm a sucker for a complete line up from one brand and A.E.A. sure has offerings that cover everything, the complete spectrum.........me likes :) :)
You getting ready to add a second column to your list??? ;D
Oh H&## no :) :)
But if I could sell the complete line up I have at the moment in one go I wouldn't mind build a new one made from AEA guns, ....I really like what I see :)
Yes Avator, I'm cofused too.... ??? He was willing to sell his entire lineup of Evanix to buy AEA's and now the magazine is a deal breaker. I guess it's like the old song, "you have to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything." I'd probably sell my Evanix to buy another AEA.
Like you I've never had a single issue with the mags. Knock on wood.
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Indeed the magazines are a deal breaker, there's no going around that.
When I had the .30 AEA in for testing I was reminded how awful they are, .........sometimes you need that reminder because with time you forget like I did with the Marauders :)
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Yawn
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Hey, homeboy keeps bringing it up,...I thought he was un-subscribing from this thread :) :)
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It’s one big yawn fest every attempt to discuss get buried. I’ll try starting a thread at AGN see what happens there I guess. ::)
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Gotta give credit where credit is due and also need to criticize when you have something that you don't like, cannot just live with butterflies, unicorns and fluffy clouds :) :)
It's a simple fix. Take your Evanix magazines and have a machine shop fit them to your rifles. I didn't like my single shot KAM P12, so I modified it to hold Gauntlet magazines. Yeah, I know you don't like them.
What style magazines do the Aircuda use? Still waiting on that answer.
more simple is just not buying rifles that have magazines that I don't like :)
A true master of the English language, could not agree more. ;D ;)
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Personally I'll NEVER buy an Evanix, absolutely terrible support from what I've seen about them, with AEA's you can acquire about any part you so desire, all you gotta do is give Bin Tac a call and he'll fix you right up. I'm still tempted to buy the Max .357, I have all the molds that I'd ever need for that gun, pellets and slugs both 8)
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Indeed the magazines are a deal breaker, there's no going around that.
When I had the .30 AEA in for testing I was reminded how awful they are, .........sometimes you need that reminder because with time you forget like I did with the Marauders :)
The only negative thing I really have to say about the AEA I have is I hate the magazines, so I can totally relate to your dislike of the style magazine AEA and any gun that uses them.
However I will say my AEA magazines perform better than those used in other platforms once I got the hang of loading them correctly.
I'll also admit to using single shot trays in my other guns that I do not have CARM magazines for.
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From my AEA varmint mods thread…I made my hst externally adjustable and still retained the guide rod.
I threaded the inside of rear plug. Made a threaded plunger. Drilled it and cut grooves lengthwise it’s id. Cross drilled the guide rod for a small pin and cut a screwdriver slot in the end of the guide rod.
You can access the screwdriver slot from back of plug.
Hard to see some of the details in this picture but I’m not home right now to get better pics.
Dave
Wow! Very cool! Wish the rifle came stock this way!
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Bin Tac just posted this on Youtube. I caught myself not fully closing the bolt a couple times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwJ5BegkJt0&t=326s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwJ5BegkJt0&t=326s)
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I bought a 3d printed SST for my Challenger, but I haven't shot it in weeks. I'm short on ammo and the weather hasn't been cooperating for casting. So bad in fact that I went to the attic to shoot and even bought four tins of pellets! This spring I'll just have to spend a good week or two casting and getting way ahead.
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Which Challenger did you get DJ ?
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Which Challenger did you get DJ ?
.45 cal, it's in my sig. The next time I break it out will probably be for testing air bolts.
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You got a beast there no doubt, I'm thinking about getting another one of their big bores but I'm going to wait til around August or Sept to see what they have to offer at that time, they change so often it's really hard to say.
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I too have never had a problem with the magazines but I did get a couple of Carm magazines for my Marauder and they are much better.
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I too have never had an issue with the magazines but I did get a couple of Carm magazines for my Marauder and I really like them.
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You got a beast there no doubt, I'm thinking about getting another one of their big bores but I'm going to wait til around August or Sept to see what they have to offer at that time, they change so often it's really hard to say.
I think the Zeus II .58 with the 16" barrel if they make it would be not so good a cool gun to have.
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You got a beast there no doubt, I'm thinking about getting another one of their big bores but I'm going to wait til around August or Sept to see what they have to offer at that time, they change so often it's really hard to say.
I think the Zeus II .58 with the 16" barrel if they make it would be not so good a cool gun to have.
The censor cracks me up sometimes! I assume you meant "darn" cool gun to have
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You got a beast there no doubt, I'm thinking about getting another one of their big bores but I'm going to wait til around August or Sept to see what they have to offer at that time, they change so often it's really hard to say.
I think the Zeus II .58 with the 16" barrel if they make it would be not so good a cool gun to have.
The censor cracks me up sometimes! I assume you meant "darn" cool gun to have
Jeez how that happened ? :) :) :) .....yes I ment it would be a sweet gun :)
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You got a beast there no doubt, I'm thinking about getting another one of their big bores but I'm going to wait til around August or Sept to see what they have to offer at that time, they change so often it's really hard to say.
I think the Zeus II .58 with the 16" barrel if they make it would be not so good a cool gun to have.
The censor cracks me up sometimes! I assume you meant "darn" cool gun to have
Jeez how that happened ? :) :) :) .....yes I ment it would be a sweet gun :)
That would be sweet. Would probably make a better hunting gun than my .45, but that may soon be more of an air bow than a slug gun, for me at least. A 16" Zeus .58 cal making over 500 FPE would definitely be high on my list of future airguns. I hope they come out with an air shotgun that can compete with the PBBA Pro20, that would get my money before anything else.
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AEA definitely is not shy of pushing out new models or revised versions quickly :)
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It is awesome to see active development for sure. A whole different experience from, say, airforce (my preferred platform but is not exactly changing!).
My DonnyFL adapter was just delivered so I will be able to start posting details about velocity and power and start quantifying the effects of the little changes I made. Really excited to start shooting and testing this thing more thoroughly. :)
When the long shroud gets here I will also be happy to share details of sound moderation in the shroud (no pickles I promise) and provide stl files for the monoccore shroud insert, ss tray and other bits. I am going to design a printable hinge type ss tray this weekend. Inspired by carm’s ss trays for other guns.
This really is the golden age of airguns.
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I don't mind the mags. I don't mind the marauder mags either. I can however attest that if you don't close that bolt all the way you will end up with a mag with a blown off cover. Ask me how I know this lol.
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I just shot 4 magazines (48 shots) of H&N 25 grain slugs over a chrony with my AEA HP Varmint .22. I was hoping for around 1,000 fps. Without any tuning and the TP at full, I'm getting 40+ shots above 1,000 fps and about 28 shots between 1030 and 1057 fps. Not a bad starting point.
Got a question for the tuning experts: If I turn down the TP a hair to get it closer to 1,000 fps will I also increase the shot count?
(The blue dots are the tank pressure.)
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That is unregulated ? (I see a curve) but so consistent a regulator wouldn’t make much difference. Is this typical for unregulated guns with similar tank / air usage? Range on Y axis is much greater I just realized - that will make it look flat
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That is unregulated ? (I see a curve) but so consistent a regulator wouldn’t make much difference. Is this typical for unregulated guns with similar tank / air usage?
Yes, unregulated. I've had this rifle for just over a week. I don't know if I'd say this is "typical" but my Benjamin Cayden in .22 (also unregulated) gives me a similar curve when shooting 18 grain pellets.
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That is unregulated ? (I see a curve) but so consistent a regulator wouldn’t make much difference. Is this typical for unregulated guns with similar tank / air usage?
Yes, unregulated. I've had this rifle for just over a week. I don't know if I'd say this is "typical" but my Benjamin Cayden in .22 (also unregulated) gives me a similar curve when shooting 18 grain pellets.
Looks like your ideal range is 1-40, but I can't tell what your peak is. Either way, it should all be close enough to have the same POI at most ranges.
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Range on Y axis is much greater I just realized - that will make it look flat
Good point. I've expanded the y-axis to show the variation more clearly. If my calculations are correct, a variation of 60 fps would result in a POI change of approximately 5 inches at 200 yds. A variation of 30 fps would result in a POI change of approximately 2 1/2 inches. Give or take a bit.
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Range on Y axis is much greater I just realized - that will make it look flat
Good point. I've expanded the y-axis to show the variation more clearly. If my calculations are correct, a variation of 60 fps would result in a POI change of approximately 5 inches at 200 yds. A variation of 30 fps would result in a POI change of approximately 2 1/2 inches. Give or take a bit.
If you are hunting or shooting long range I would air it up to whatever pressure you had at shot 13 and shoot only ten shots. I would guess the fluctuations in that range are probably temperature related, the cylinder temperature affects pressure and shooting quickly creates more variation in the cylinder temp.
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Range on Y axis is much greater I just realized - that will make it look flat
Good point. I've expanded the y-axis to show the variation more clearly. If my calculations are correct, a variation of 60 fps would result in a POI change of approximately 5 inches at 200 yds. A variation of 30 fps would result in a POI change of approximately 2 1/2 inches. Give or take a bit.
If you are hunting or shooting long range I would air it up to whatever pressure you had at shot 13 and shoot only ten shots. I would guess the fluctuations in that range are probably temperature related, the cylinder temperature affects pressure and shooting quickly creates more variation in the cylinder temp.
My target velocity was 1,000 fps so 1050 fps is a bit hotter than I was going for. I'm going to shoot another string with the transfer port closed a bit. I'm hoping that will flatten the curve a bit more and give me more shots per fill.
FWIW I'm not hunting, just target shooting long range. I have targets set up at 135 , 195 yds and the room to shoot even further.
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I ended up turning mine down to 1:00. I have the .25 backpacker in .25 shooting 25.4 grn pellets. I have 30 shots now between 920 and 895. with a highest velocities after about 10 shots. Prior with it turned up I had a straight decline starting around 955.
Wayne is shooting slugs in his and I just received some from FX to try. Haaven't tried casting slugs yet but I see it coming. With your velocities and desire to shoot longer ranges slugs would benifit you too. I would think most people who buy these rifles are plinkers or hunters.
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I ended up turning mine down to 1:00. I have the .25 backpacker in .25 shooting 25.4 grn pellets. I have 30 shots now between 920 and 895. with a highest velocities after about 10 shots. Prior with it turned up I had a straight decline starting around 955.
Wayne is shooting slugs in his and I just received some from FX to try. Haaven't tried casting slugs yet but I see it coming. With your velocities and desire to shoot longer ranges slugs would benifit you too. I would think most people who buy these rifles are plinkers or hunters.
I'm shooting H&N 25 grain slugs. I just refilled my tank to 3,500 psi and set the transfer port to 11 o'clock (same as your 1 o'clock). If I get two magazines (24 shots) at 1,000 fps I'll be happy, but I'd be even happier with 30 shots!
My Cayden .22 -loves- the FX Hybrids. I haven't chrony'd it yet but I was hitting my 4" gong at 135 yards and never missed a shot.
I guess I'm a long range plinker. I keep saying I'll compete but the nearest events are usually 10+ hours away and I have the perfect location for shooting right here at home so I end up not going. So I guess that makes me a lazy long range plinker. ;)
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I shot another string over the chrony. This time I set the transfer port at 11 o'clock and filled to 3,500 psi. My goal as 2 magazines (24 shots) with H&N 25 grain slugs at 1,000 fps.. Looks like I'm there. :)
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Received a DonnyFL adapter but it is a weird one. The bore is oversized (0.5” I think) and as a result none of the ldc’s or adapters I have will work with it. I’m not sure I understand what the point of this adapter is if it doesn’t actually fit standard products. I need an adapter for my adapter.
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I shot 3 full magazines (36 rounds, .22 H&N 25 grain slugs) at 50 yds, light wind. This is my best group. Not stellar, not single hole but considering the crappy trigger and sloppy stock it's not horrible. I think if I clean up the trigger some more and get rid of the slop in the stock I can cut the group size in half.
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Received a DonnyFL adapter but it is a weird one. The bore is oversized (0.5” I think) and as a result none of the ldc’s or adapters I have will work with it. I’m not sure I understand what the point of this adapter is if it doesn’t actually fit standard products. I need an adapter for my adapter.
I would be calling or emailing to see if you go the right part. They were quick to get back to me with questions.
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Yeah the trigger is the big wart for this gun. Magazines I can live with but the trigger needs looked at. Accuracy though is stellar. I'm hard pressed to think of a stock 22 lr semi-auto that shoot this good out of the box. I discussed the velocity stats with Bin and he stated most guys with the carbines refill after two mags. If I was shooting beyond 50 yrds that is what I would do.
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I shot 3 full magazines (36 rounds, .22 H&N 25 grain slugs) at 50 yds, light wind. This is my best group. Not stellar, not single hole but considering the crappy trigger and sloppy stock it's not horrible. I think if I clean up the trigger some more and get rid of the slop in the stock I can cut the group size in half.
Which model did you get in .22 ? I was going to convert my HP 25 cal semi carbine with the varmint barrel kit, instead for another $150 bought the Challenger LS .22 and glad that I did because it's shooting my cast NOE 218-25-RF slugs extremely well, I've never been into bench shooting but the gun sure makes an excellent hunter, I plan on shooting ground hogs at a distance in the bean fields at the state land that I hunt with it. Also would like to get a coyote in my sights as well.
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My adapter screws into the end of the shroud then my Sumo or Tanto screwed right on. I ordered my gun with the 12 inch shroud and adapter not getting their LDC. Here is what mine looks like.
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I shot 3 full magazines (36 rounds, .22 H&N 25 grain slugs) at 50 yds, light wind. This is my best group. Not stellar, not single hole but considering the crappy trigger and sloppy stock it's not horrible. I think if I clean up the trigger some more and get rid of the slop in the stock I can cut the group size in half.
Which model did you get in .22 ? I was going to convert my HP 25 cal semi carbine with the varmint barrel kit, instead for another $150 bought the Challenger LS .22 and glad that I did because it's shooting my cast NOE 218-25-RF slugs extremely well, I've never been into bench shooting but the gun sure makes an excellent hunter, I plan on shooting ground hogs at a distance in the bean fields at the state land that I hunt with it. Also would like to get a coyote in my sights as well.
I got the AEA HP Varmint in .22.
Today I polished the trigger (so now it's polished and has lighter springs) and turned the transfer port to about 11:30 (a bit hotter than yesterday). I think I've got the trigger to as good as it's going to get. It breaks clean and crisp, but the pull is heavier and longer than I'd want for competitive target shooting. We had a front pass through this morning so the wind was blowing pretty good, maybe 5-20 mph and from my 8 o'clock. Here's my best 5 shot group at 50 yds with H&N 25 grain slugs. I also tried some FX 22 grain hybrids which didn't do any better (and some were going super sonic).
Next up is to polish the bore.
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Well, I sent back the HP Varmint. It seems that the better the weather got the worse the gun would shoot. Bin seems to think there's an issue with the barrel. It had a burr in the crown that I polished out but maybe there was something else I didn't see. Sooo... I sent it back and ordered an AEA Challenger Pro. The biggest thing I didn't like about the Varmint (besides the accuracy going down the tubes) was the bolt and the Challenger Pro is a side lever with lots of power as well as being regulated. Hopefully it shoots lights out.
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Just by being used to Evanix magazines and now using the JTS magazines I'm blown away at why companies still stay with the crappy Marauder style mags
You can bet it’s about $$$. They probably use the Marauder mags because they can do so without paying anyone for the rights to use the design, and don’t have to shell out for R & D to
design something better.
Kevin your mailbox must be full because I can't reply to your last couple of messages ???
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Well, I sent back the HP Varmint. It seems that the better the weather got the worse the gun would shoot. Bin seems to think there's an issue with the barrel. It had a burr in the crown that I polished out but maybe there was something else I didn't see. Sooo... I sent it back and ordered an AEA Challenger Pro. The biggest thing I didn't like about the Varmint (besides the accuracy going down the tubes) was the bolt and the Challenger Pro is a side lever with lots of power as well as being regulated. Hopefully it shoots lights out.
Did you get it from Bin at the Pelletshop.com, or the other Bin?
Have you got it yet, and did I miss the post? How do you like the side lever? I'm sure it's much better than the bolt action. I haven't looked at the price difference. Any other differences other than the side lever? Any improvement in the trigger? Keep thinking about getting a varmint for pesting but the Carbine is meeting my accuracy requirements for now.
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Got some iron sights and cooked up a sleeve with Picatinny rail that I can print and slide over the end of the shroud. A FedEx driver is out there with my Hp max, supposed to be dropped off some time later today. I am ready… got a bunch of roundball thanks to manny’s tip, an extended shroud with metal cup baffles from Bin Tac and a screw on moderator from Rocker1 that I am printing some 357 baffles for. Ordered several tins of jsb 81ms from trenier a while back but they must have been stolen from my mailbox because I never saw the package. I can order another set of the JSB’s but I just hate spending that much money on pellets it’s like throwing good money after bad I guess and will just have to do some casting. I can order a mold for the price of reordering these on top of the ash order.
I’ll see what I can do with round balls and my own bullets though I am sure the accuracy won’t compare well with the JSBs.
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Well, I sent back the HP Varmint. It seems that the better the weather got the worse the gun would shoot. Bin seems to think there's an issue with the barrel. It had a burr in the crown that I polished out but maybe there was something else I didn't see. Sooo... I sent it back and ordered an AEA Challenger Pro. The biggest thing I didn't like about the Varmint (besides the accuracy going down the tubes) was the bolt and the Challenger Pro is a side lever with lots of power as well as being regulated. Hopefully it shoots lights out.
Did you get it from Bin at the Pelletshop.com, or the other Bin?
Have you got it yet, and did I miss the post? How do you like the side lever? I'm sure it's much better than the bolt action. I haven't looked at the price difference. Any other differences other than the side lever? Any improvement in the trigger? Keep thinking about getting a varmint for pesting but the Carbine is meeting my accuracy requirements for now.
I got it from Bin @ the Pelletshop.
Got it last week, look for my thread "My first 48 hours with the Challenger Pro". The side lever is a huge improvement over the bolt action. It was $200 more expensive than the Varmint. Other differences: it is regulated, max bottle pressure is 4,500 psi, completely different design than the HP series. Trigger is much better, about on par with the HP after swapping springs and polishing the contact surfaces.
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Got some iron sights and cooked up a sleeve with Picatinny rail that I can print and slide over the end of the shroud. A FedEx driver is out there with my Hp max, supposed to be dropped off some time later today. I am ready… got a bunch of roundball thanks to manny’s tip, an extended shroud with metal cup baffles from Bin Tac and a screw on moderator from Rocker1 that I am printing some 357 baffles for. Ordered several tins of jsb 81ms from trenier a while back but they must have been stolen from my mailbox because I never saw the package. I can order another set of the JSB’s but I just hate spending that much money on pellets it’s like throwing good money after bad I guess and will just have to do some casting. I can order a mold for the price of reordering these on top of the ash order.
I’ll see what I can do with round balls and my own bullets though I am sure the accuracy won’t compare well with the JSBs.
I've started going back to open sights for my powder burners. Both my AR's are set up like my service M-16. Sadly, none of my air rifles have open sights.
When I see all the cool things you guys create with 3D printers I get tempted to give it a try. What software are you using to design and what printer?
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Thanks, I know I was reading that thread when it first started. Should have made a comment to stay posted on what was going on. I'll go back and re-read it. ;D
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Got some iron sights and cooked up a sleeve with Picatinny rail that I can print and slide over the end of the shroud. A FedEx driver is out there with my Hp max, supposed to be dropped off some time later today. I am ready… got a bunch of roundball thanks to manny’s tip, an extended shroud with metal cup baffles from Bin Tac and a screw on moderator from Rocker1 that I am printing some 357 baffles for. Ordered several tins of jsb 81ms from trenier a while back but they must have been stolen from my mailbox because I never saw the package. I can order another set of the JSB’s but I just hate spending that much money on pellets it’s like throwing good money after bad I guess and will just have to do some casting. I can order a mold for the price of reordering these on top of the ash order.
I’ll see what I can do with round balls and my own bullets though I am sure the accuracy won’t compare well with the JSBs.
I've started going back to open sights for my powder burners. Both my AR's are set up like my service M-16. Sadly, none of my air rifles have open sights.
When I see all the cool things you guys create with 3D printers I get tempted to give it a try. What software are you using to design and what printer?
3-D printers just absolutely blow my mind. Truly feel like futuristic devices. I have the sovol sv-01. It has been unbelievably reliable and low maintenance from day one. I don’t think I’ve had a single failed print that was the printer’s fault. Using it for about two years I never expected that. It has needed no adjustments at all and it’s been moved around to several different locations. I am using the most basic of software: tinkercad. Not a full featured modeler by a longshot but it has just the features I need to design things like single shot trays, LDC cores, and various small parts. I use Cura to convert the 3d models into instructions for the 3d printer.
Because this printer has worked so well I have not been forced to dive deep into tweaking and configuring and repairing these things, so my knowledge is limited. You learn a lot more from a product with lots of flaws in it than from one that works perfectly
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You learn a lot more from a product with lots of flaws in it than from one that works perfectly
This was exactly my experience with my first SPA product, a Diana Bandit. It didn't perform well out of the box and took a lot of tinkering and repeated assembly and disassembly to get it working to my liking. I learned a lot about the platform, so I feel totally comfortable with it now. My AEA is built pretty much the same way, albeit with a threaded receiver instead of grub screws, so it was easy for me to take apart. On the other hand my Seneca Eagle Claw is totally different and I haven't done anything more than take the action out of the stock.
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Okay I have something new to add.
First of all those round balls that were suggested here a while back are a tad large in diameter and the balls seem pretty hard - i had to tap with a rubber mallet to get the bolt all the way forward. These are the ballistic products #000 super buckshot and maybe the issue is the higher antimony content.
Second, I have somewhat tamed the noise. Not backyard friendly but certainly “garage friendly”.
I got a 4” longer aea shroud and their baffles. This alone changes the sound enough that it doesn’t sound like a report. It’s a pretty loud “snap” instead of a bang. This is good enough but it’s a little too loud for my preferences so I also have a rocker 1 LDC housing that can screw on the end and I put some 3d printed baffles in there.
I tried to get creative with the baffles since there’s not a whole lot of volume for baffles in a 1 inch in diameter tube with an 11 mm bore. Used the “Tesla diode” approach to direct air into colliding jets rather than simple baffles. With this on the end, it is fine for shooting indoor and by far the loudest sound and a the pellet impact.
I will probably just use the AEA shroud and baffles and remove the screw in attachment for typical use.
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Hmmm strange, those .360 buckshots worked so well in so many .357s I had,.....wander what the true bore is in that MAX.
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I could just open up the leade a bit if I’m using the correct word? Maybe this is less open than the other models you shot. I’ve seen pretty noticeable differences in how tight it is on my 25 cals maybe I just got a gun with a tight leade.
I can imagine doing it in a kind of rough way but I wouldn’t know what the ideal way is to widen the barrel a bit at the breech end . I if knew a way to do this safely I would definitely go for it - want to be able to shoot the roundball if possible.
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Do you have a way to figure out your true bore ?
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The only gun that didn't like that roundball was my DAQ but that was a 9mm
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Do you have a way to figure out your true bore ?
I will slug the barrel sooner or later and find out
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Here are the chrony results for nine shots I took. Wasn’t quite full - maybe 4100 psi. Got the Hp max back and all is good.
I will try backing off the hammer spring a bit to see if I can get a little curve at some lower peak power.
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Every air rifle FX currently makes can convert easily to shoot arrows/air bolts with a kit they make.
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Looks like that post wound up in the wrong thread
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A few days ago I did another rapid fire video shooting my AEA HP 25 cal Carbine@30ft up in my attic, dang these guns are fun to shoot and make some dandy hunters.
https://youtu.be/jpzcfeA6vCQ
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Nice - would love to have a semi auto some day.
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Next time I do a rapid fire with it I'll slow it down some.
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Next time I do a rapid fire with it I'll slow it down some.
Actually, I would love to see you speed that up a lot, see if you can outrun the magazine or if the magazine can throw a pellet into the path quicker than the gun can cycle?
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Okay I have something new to add.
First of all those round balls that were suggested here a while back are a tad large in diameter and the balls seem pretty hard - i had to tap with a rubber mallet to get the bolt all the way forward. These are the ballistic products #000 super buckshot and maybe the issue is the higher antimony content.
You got the 8 lb jar of 000 buck? That’s what I got and they work great in my Evanix guns. But maybe the AEA barrel is a bit more snug. If you have to really force the side lever to get them into your gun I would avoid using them.
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Thanks for the advice. I won’t be using them
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Thanks for the advice. I won’t be using them
I buy that jug from you :)
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Thanks Manny. I might take you up on that but I’m really tempted to try to open up the breech end of the barrel a tad.
Have a Dremel tool and lots of polishing pads and some red and green compound but I don’t have any real knowledge of how to NOT mess up the gun when doing this. Same thing with polishing the crown.
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Also curious - any tips for where the gun should be lubricated and what lube to use? And of course which parts to keep ”dry”.
Thanks in advance.
I have krytox, ballistol, silicone oils.
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I shot my first ground hog of the year a couple days ago with my AEA Challenger LS .22 using my 24.4grain cup point slugs@218 diameter like they drop from the mold.
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Thanks Manny. I might take you up on that but I’m really tempted to try to open up the breech end of the barrel a tad.
Have a Dremel tool and lots of polishing pads and some red and green compound but I don’t have any real knowledge of how to NOT mess up the gun when doing this. Same thing with polishing the crown.
You should push a pellet down the barrel so you can measure and see what the exact barrel diameter is.
I just had a thought, it might seem harder to load the roundball because it's a bolt action. I'm used to using a side lever that has more leverage when it comes to pushing in the projectile.
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When loading slugs with a bolt action I prefer the actions that the bolt comes out the rear, so I can use thumb assist to set that lead in there.
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For any who are wondering the Hp max barrel is unchoked.
That is all…
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I Was doing some pellet shopping and saw noticed that you can buy the Max in 45 or 50 cal, and the 50 cal shoots at 300 fpe.
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Maybe able to switch over ...
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I Was doing some pellet shopping and saw noticed that you can buy the Max in 45 or 50 cal, and the 50 cal shoots at 300 fpe.
That's pretty cool. I'm on board with ultralight big bores. I bet these would be great for air bolts as well.
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Maybe able to switch over ...
Oh yes swappable barrels would be nice!
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108 grain nsa slugs out of HP Max from 4500 down to a bit below 3000.
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For anyone messing with HP Max or similar:
I put a single hex nut behind the hammer. It is the right size so that it does not touch the walls, slides freely along the guide spring but the spring can’t fit through so it is pressed by the spring against the hammer and moves with it. It also has the effect of adding a little preload to the spring.
Placing this nut added ~10 fpe when shooting 125 grain nsa slugs. Went from 140’s to 150’s, for those first few shots at 4500 psi.
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Yep, nicely designed guns.
I also made an externally adjustable hs for my varmint. It’s kinda tricky to do but not bad. It uses the guide rod to turn a threaded sleeve in the plug. And yes, that plug is an adjustment. Just don’t go so far the spring guide comes out of its spot.
Dave
A 3d printed collar would extend the range of that “power wheel” as far as one might want. Project for tomorrow along with a single shot tray.
Those mags are a hassle. I have a little lube on the pellets I just cast and the magazine keeps slipping out of my fingers and launching across the room. It seems like a solid mechanism just hard to keep it in place at first. Some little grip or texture on the edge of the lucite piece would help
On one of my two magazines the allen screw that hold the clear face on rotates along with the clear face when it is rotated so it tightens up as you insert more pellets. Guess I need a little Loctite for that particular screw
Had some arts and crafts time and cast a handful the slugs pictured (96 gr).
Locktite (and all superglues) attack and destroy plastic. You can't locktite that screw unless you want the mag to crumble to pieces.
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Can someone PLEASE tell me how to un-subscribe from this thread?
Try the "UnNotify" button in the upper right. Just a guess. Not sure, but it's worth a try.
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Can someone PLEASE tell me how to un-subscribe from this thread?
Try the "UnNotify" button in the upper right. Just a guess. Not sure, but it's worth a try.
That only applies to the Emails one gets to alert a post has been made.
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Just write some nonsense post and then at the bottom where it says attachment and other options hit the plus button and uncheck “Notify me of…”
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Yep, nicely designed guns.
I also made an externally adjustable hs for my varmint. It’s kinda tricky to do but not bad. It uses the guide rod to turn a threaded sleeve in the plug. And yes, that plug is an adjustment. Just don’t go so far the spring guide comes out of its spot.
Dave
A 3d printed collar would extend the range of that “power wheel” as far as one might want. Project for tomorrow along with a single shot tray.
Those mags are a hassle. I have a little lube on the pellets I just cast and the magazine keeps slipping out of my fingers and launching across the room. It seems like a solid mechanism just hard to keep it in place at first. Some little grip or texture on the edge of the lucite piece would help
On one of my two magazines the allen screw that hold the clear face on rotates along with the clear face when it is rotated so it tightens up as you insert more pellets. Guess I need a little Loctite for that particular screw
Had some arts and crafts time and cast a handful the slugs pictured (96 gr).
Locktite (and all superglues) attack and destroy plastic. You can't locktite that screw unless you want the mag to crumble to pieces.
Thanks for the tip.
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HP max #2 arrived yesterday after the original one continued to leak after being sent in for repair. The old one was serial no.150 and this new one is up in the mid 400’s forget the #. They are nearly identical but the old version one listed two fill pressures and springs on the side and this one only has 4500 psi fill printed on the side.
It functions better however - smoother bolt action, magazines stay in nice and snug and don’t slip out.
The new one is holding air and shooting just fine. Maybe sn 150 was built by a trainee or something
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HP max #2 arrived yesterday after the original one continued to leak after being sent in for repair. The old one was serial no.150 and this new one is up in the mid 400’s forget the #. They are nearly identical but the old version one listed two fill pressures and springs on the side and this one only has 4500 psi fill printed on the side.
It functions better however - smoother bolt action, magazines stay in nice and snug and don’t slip out.
The new one is holding air and shooting just fine. Maybe sn 150 was built by a trainee or something
Good news!
Perhaps #150 was on the tooling used to make #1.
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Yes indeed!
And as far as the tooling goes, I have zero formal education in manufacturing and machining and it hadn’t occurred to me (though of course it seems obvious now) that the cutting edges wear down over time and the last gun made using a bit (?) would be a bit rougher than the first.
Anyway, I knew the gun would need work and there was a lottery aspect to buying a budget gun produced in a Chinese factory. Not a comment about the people of China in any way, they are the ones making these nice budget guns after all. one thing it makes sense to expect is that the manufacturers will not fuss over the guns and QC will not reject as many guns as it should.
Bin (Tac) says there is a part replacement for HP Max guns coming from China. I think i posted this somewhere already, but the parts are on their way and have something to do with the way the gauge is attached to the gun.
These pics don’t show much except the aluminum can on the end which was made by Neil Clague, which was really, really well made and probably should have been more expensive. I wanted something to experiment with so instead of a complete LDC he was willing to make me this can and a couple of baffles. With just two aluminum baffles and some 3d printed spacers the sound is greatly reduce and “garage friendly”.
I am experimenting with different chamber sizes and inserts and wrappings to see if I can find a nice quiet arrangement. I will not discuss the guts I guess since this is more of a pickle than a shroud, but I am happy to have this finely made canister and baffles to work with. I have been wanting something like this to test
prototype 3d baffles and cores.
I wish to find or make a lightweight stock for this. The heavy ar stock is not a good match for this air gun and maybe I can rig something with metal or carbon tubing and 3d printed parts that will attach to the same 3-screw base the AR stock attaches to.
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I wish to find or make a lightweight stock for this. The heavy ar stock is not a good match for this air gun and maybe I can rig something with metal or carbon tubing and 3d printed parts that will attach to the same 3-screw base the AR stock attaches to.
For the price of a different lighter in weight lightweight stock you could add a carbon fiber tank which will drop more weight than replacement stock+ add to the air capacity.
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Is this a bottle for one of their other guns, or better yet can you provide a link? Thanks
Found this:
https://foxairpower.com/products/carbon-fiber-bottle-adapter-for-aea-hp-models
It is out of stock
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Yep, nicely designed guns.
I also made an externally adjustable hs for my varmint. It’s kinda tricky to do but not bad. It uses the guide rod to turn a threaded sleeve in the plug. And yes, that plug is an adjustment. Just don’t go so far the spring guide comes out of its spot.
Dave
I have messed with redesigning this mag. Loctite will do fine for the center screw in the original mags I have seen. they all have a brass insert the center cover screw goes into.
the attached pics are for the 30 cal I believe. and the grey are my mags. the black is factory and shows brass insert in center.
A 3d printed collar would extend the range of that “power wheel” as far as one might want. Project for tomorrow along with a single shot tray.
Those mags are a hassle. I have a little lube on the pellets I just cast and the magazine keeps slipping out of my fingers and launching across the room. It seems like a solid mechanism just hard to keep it in place at first. Some little grip or texture on the edge of the lucite piece would help
On one of my two magazines the allen screw that hold the clear face on rotates along with the clear face when it is rotated so it tightens up as you insert more pellets. Guess I need a little Loctite for that particular screw
Had some arts and crafts time and cast a handful the slugs pictured (96 gr).
Locktite (and all superglues) attack and destroy plastic. You can't locktite that screw unless you want the mag to crumble to pieces.
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Is this a bottle for one of their other guns, or better yet can you provide a link? Thanks
Found this:
https://foxairpower.com/products/carbon-fiber-bottle-adapter-for-aea-hp-models
It is out of stock
............i got mine from BIN TAC the other dealer , & he is great to deal with
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I shot my first ground hog of the year a couple days ago with my AEA Challenger LS .22 using my 24.4grain cup point slugs@218 diameter like they drop from the mold.
I scotched my first varmint on the new license today. (I gotta brag a little bit, sorry) A striped rat, aka, chipmunk climbed on top of the stacked 2' sections of firewood I use for a 100 yd. target backstop. .22 CPHP through upper chest. A.V. Avenger. It's an amazing gun for the $299.00 I paid for it.
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I sighted in my AEA 45 cal HP Max in yesterday and I will probably be back in the woods with it Tuesday by the looks of it, it's going to be very warm too so watch out for a 457 slug you chippers. I honestly think I could do a head shot on a red squirrel with it too.
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I sighted in my AEA 45 cal HP Max in yesterday and I will probably be back in the woods with it Tuesday by the looks of it, it's going to be very warm too so watch out for a 457 slug you chippers. I honestly think I could do a head shot on a red squirrel with it too.
O.M.G. 457 slugs on a chipper!
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I sighted in my AEA 45 cal HP Max in yesterday and I will probably be back in the woods with it Tuesday by the looks of it, it's going to be very warm too so watch out for a 457 slug you chippers. I honestly think I could do a head shot on a red squirrel with it too.
Are you sure you're using enough gun Bwana? (grin and wink)
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As warm as it's going to be I might even get lucky and spot a ground hog, that would be the ultimate test. Deer season won't be here til November so I figure I need to get some practice in 8)
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Nice! Skinned and gutted all at once! ;)
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It would be interesting to see if a 244 grain slug would expand on a chipper. :P
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It would be interesting to see if a 244 grain slug would expand on a chipper. :P
Gut feeling, the chipper would be doing all the expanding!
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Preground chipper.
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That's one thing really nice about casting your own ammo, especially when I've got a couple hundred more pounds of free lead to go through yet is the cost of those slugs, it's negligible. Every slug that I cast it's helping pay for that mold that I bought, I haven't a clue how much a hundred good slugs in .457 would cost me but if I was using Mister Hollow point slugs it probably wouldn't take too awfully long ???
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Gut feeling, the chipper would be doing all the expanding!
Maybe this is why, left to right: .17, .22, 458 x 340
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$1.50 per shot if you get free shipping for .510 ammo, $1.20 per shot for Benjamin Nosler 357, again if you get free shipping. Just in testing I've come pretty close to paying for my 357 molds (all of them).
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I’d have a hard time enjoying myself taking shots at $1.20 a pop regardless of if I could afford it or not. Casting really sets you free you’re like a cigarette addict otherwise.
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I've shot a couple of chippers with my .357 with hollow point slugs and it literally cuts them in half with a centered body shot. I would have gotten this mold in HP however there weren't any available, this slug is for the bigger stuff mainly, I might look around to see what the other mold makers have available but this mold is made for airguns, with the boat tail design you're going to get more energy at the muzzle than what you would with a flat based slug.
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This mold here would drop at probably .458 because it's designed for using wheelweight lead for casting. I've got the size bushings if need be but for now the BBT is fine.
(https://noebulletmolds.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/460-186-CB_PB_AP4_Sketch.jpg)
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I’d have a hard time enjoying myself taking shots at $1.20 a pop regardless of if I could afford it or not. Casting really sets you free you’re like a cigarette addict otherwise.
I feel bad shooting slugs that cost $0.09/each, much less over a dollar a shot.
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I definitely use my H&N/NSA/JSB projectiles sparingly. Basically keep them on hand for when the stuff I cast runs out. Eating through those and looking at replacing them is usually all the motivation I need to drag the melting pot out. That’s where I am at right now, down to 2 tins of .357 grizzly, don’t feel like tracking down paying and waiting for replacements, so tomorrow I will set aside an hour or two for casting.
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At the price you guys are quoting on slugs that means my .458 BBT mold has already paid for itself . . . very cool 8)
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Assuming they shoot OK, all the .510 stuff I cast would pay for almost all 3 molds. I have around 12 pounds of stuff ready for testing if that unnamed company will get my rifle back to me (and with a decent barrel this time).
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Assuming they shoot OK, all the .510 stuff I cast would pay for almost all 3 molds. I have around 12 pounds of stuff ready for testing if that unnamed company will get my rifle back to me (and with a decent barrel this time).
Wow, I can't believe you are still waiting.
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Anyone have any experience with the both the hp custom and the challenger pro? Is the pro really worth the extra 200 bones??
Wonder what is next? I would like to see a classic wood stock challenger pro. Would be sweet.
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The pro I know is regulated with a very large plenum for high power. It has side lever cocking. Someone recently started a thread about it and they seem to think the construction was excellent and showed quality machining and attention to detail. I don’t know about the original challenger and how that would compare in these areas.
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The pro I know is regulated with a very large plenum for high power. It has side lever cocking. Someone recently started a thread about it and they seem to think the construction was excellent and showed quality machining and attention to detail. I don’t know about the original challenger and how that would compare in these areas.
The thing that deters me from getting the pro is it's very heavy but other than that it's a fantastic gun in all calibers I'm sure. SG's (Southern Gunner) latest video he says how much he really likes the AEA brand and in the video he talks about how brands and prices really don't make much difference to him. He's shot probably about every gun imaginable and most of them he owns. His latest purchase is a 30 caliber pro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM7nlmsqs7Y&ab_channel=SG (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM7nlmsqs7Y&ab_channel=SG)
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Anyone have any experience with the both the hp custom and the challenger pro? Is the pro really worth the extra 200 bones??
I had an HP Varmint for a short while (I swapped it for a Pro), which has the same receiver as the HP Custom. I considered getting the Custom but opted for the Pro because: a) the bolt action AEA's are an absolute PITA to operate (forget about fast follow up shots, the side lever is a huge improvement) and b) all the latest HP models use the same receiver as the semi-auto's, which means it looses a puff of air with each shot that, on the semi autos, is used to cycle the bolt. So they're not as efficient with air as the older models.
Two things I don't love about the Pro are: a) the buttstock. Looks cool but is worthless IMO. And b) the trigger. Ignore the reviews that say the trigger is 1 lb, they're dreaming. It's closer to 4-5 lbs and so far I haven't found a way to modify/adjust it.
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The thing that deters me from getting the pro is it's very heavy but other than that it's a fantastic gun in all calibers I'm sure. SG's (Southern Gunner) latest video he says how much he really likes the AEA brand and in the video he talks about how brands and prices really don't make much difference to him. He's shot probably about every gun imaginable and most of them he owns. His latest purchase is a 30 caliber pro.
My Pro is 12 lbs with my replacement stock, scope, rings, suppressor and bipod. The aluminum buttstock, although worthless IMO, actually weighs less than my plastic Magpul stock. I wouldn't enjoy lugging it around in the woods to hunt, but since I don't hunt its not an issue.
My advice to anyone getting the Challenger Pro: get rid of the picatinny rail adapter (it raises the scope way too high) and the silly aluminum butt stock (replace it with your favorite MILSPEC stock). Buy the biggest can for the muzzle you can afford and a bunch of heavy slugs. Then have fun. :)
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Paul my .22 is very nice compared to my .357, the .357 is hard to cock and has a hard trigger but the .22 is the direct opposite, my 30 cal is still much nicer than the .357 but nothing like the .22. I can cock the .22 very fast when I'm out hunting, as a matter of fact it's so nice that sometimes I have to put it on safe because I can't remember whether I cocked it or not.
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Anyone have any experience with the both the hp custom and the challenger pro? Is the pro really worth the extra 200 bones??
I had an HP Varmint for a short while (I swapped it for a Pro), which has the same receiver as the HP Custom. I considered getting the Custom but opted for the Pro because: a) the bolt action AEA's are an absolute PITA to operate (forget about fast follow up shots, the side lever is a huge improvement) and b) all the latest HP models use the same receiver as the semi-auto's, which means it looses a puff of air with each shot that, on the semi autos, is used to cycle the bolt. So they're not as efficient with air as the older models.
Two things I don't love about the Pro are: a) the buttstock. Looks cool but is worthless IMO. And b) the trigger. Ignore the reviews that say the trigger is 1 lb, they're dreaming. It's closer to 4-5 lbs and so far I haven't found a way to modify/adjust it.
My AEA HP Carbine .25 cal semi is about the funnest gun I have for hunting, I've really gotten to like that gun a lot, it's not as accurate as my Challenger LS .22 but it's really great out to about 40 yards for sure.
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My AEA HP Carbine .25 cal semi is about the funnest gun I have for hunting, I've really gotten to like that gun a lot, it's not as accurate as my Challenger LS .22 but it's really great out to about 40 yards for sure.
Sounds like my Varmint .22 was much harder to cock than yours, weird. I wonder if they changed the hammer spring?
My next rifle might be an HP Carbine (semi-auto) in .30 cal. I think it would make a good gun to keep in the truck. I've got to thin out the herd a bit before I can even think about getting another rifle though...
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Paul back when I bought my Challenger LS .22 is was either that or buy the conversion for my semi auto to make it into a varmint rifle, I chose the Challenger because it was only $100 more than what the conversion kit costs. The Varmints have a stronger hammer spring in them than the semi auto does which is why your varmint cocked so hard. With the conversion kit for the HP 25 cal semi I would have gotten more energy (10fpe) than what I get with my Challenger .22, I figure 70fpe is more than enough for a .22.
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all the latest HP models use the same receiver as the semi-auto's, which means it looses a puff of air with each shot that, on the semi autos, is used to cycle the bolt. So they're not as efficient with air as the older models.
Where does that air come out? Could it not be plugged?
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Assuming they shoot OK, all the .510 stuff I cast would pay for almost all 3 molds. I have around 12 pounds of stuff ready for testing if that unnamed company will get my rifle back to me (and with a decent barrel this time).
Wow, I can't believe you are still waiting.
I should update my other thread, but no real info right now. I called their skills into question, so I'm sure it is sitting in a corner being punished. [edit] got off the phone with them and getting a refund, all the barrels that they have are of similar condition, which doesn't say a lot! I was warned and should have listened, don't let anyone else make that mistake!!!
Maybe I should send them an invoice for everything I spent on the rifle accessories and request shipping instructions for all the parts that I am charging on the invoice??? Not going to buy an Airforce, just not what I want, and don't know of any other .510 rifles out there or if I could even afford them. Should probably just save up for something like a Bushbuck and get a premium rifle that will do what it says on the box. Or if Crosman was smart, they might make me a deal and get a Bulldog 457 or Gunnar 357/457 in my hands. All that negative Hammer stuff could be turned into positive (hopefully) Bulldog/Gunnar stuff. Small fish in big pond, they don't send stuff like that to people like me and I don't watch the paid reviews anymore because I generally can't trust them. One negative review and most places cut you off.
Back to AEA, they have some interesting stuff, but nothing that really stirs me to buy one (or I would have one by now). Not sure what it is, just doesn't look like something I want. Zeus in .510 would be interesting, but they chose 54 and probably not the same 54 as any black powder anythings. Trying to get some common sizes between platforms to cut down on accessories needed and a new BP rifle is very likely the next thing and probably in 50 cal which is sort of .510.
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all the latest HP models use the same receiver as the semi-auto's, which means it looses a puff of air with each shot that, on the semi autos, is used to cycle the bolt. So they're not as efficient with air as the older models.
Where does that air come out? Could it not be plugged?
I thought the muzzle blast was used to cycle the bolt but maybe not
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Assuming they shoot OK, all the .510 stuff I cast would pay for almost all 3 molds. I have around 12 pounds of stuff ready for testing if that unnamed company will get my rifle back to me (and with a decent barrel this time).
Wow, I can't believe you are still waiting.
I should update my other thread, but no real info right now. I called their skills into question, so I'm sure it is sitting in a corner being punished. [edit] got off the phone with them and getting a refund, all the barrels that they have are of similar condition, which doesn't say a lot! I was warned and should have listened, don't let anyone else make that mistake!!!
Maybe I should send them an invoice for everything I spent on the rifle accessories and request shipping instructions for all the parts that I am charging on the invoice??? Not going to buy an Airforce, just not what I want, and don't know of any other .510 rifles out there or if I could even afford them. Should probably just save up for something like a Bushbuck and get a premium rifle that will do what it says on the box. Or if Crosman was smart, they might make me a deal and get a Bulldog 457 or Gunnar 357/457 in my hands. All that negative Hammer stuff could be turned into positive (hopefully) Bulldog/Gunnar stuff. Small fish in big pond, they don't send stuff like that to people like me and I don't watch the paid reviews anymore because I generally can't trust them. One negative review and most places cut you off.
Back to AEA, they have some interesting stuff, but nothing that really stirs me to buy one (or I would have one by now). Not sure what it is, just doesn't look like something I want. Zeus in .510 would be interesting, but they chose 54 and probably not the same 54 as any black powder anythings. Trying to get some common sizes between platforms to cut down on accessories needed and a new BP rifle is very likely the next thing and probably in 50 cal which is sort of .510.
Hey, the Zeus is available in .72 and .58 caliber. I can't find many reviews of the 58 cal version.
The 58 cal is only available with a 32" barrel at the Pellet Shop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnxKvf3lWv0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnxKvf3lWv0)
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Yeah, the Zeus 58 might actually be a more useable power level, wish they had a .510 size or one of the challenger in .510. The 495 stuff just doesn't sit well with me, it's non-standard. This is especially so when you consider all the black powder barrels that they could have purchased which are often .495 bore with around .510 in the grooves. The patch takes up the space and drives the rotation, or get a bullet that presses into the grooves like the Lee REAL designs (that many people hate).
Maybe I should just buy another Bulldog 357 and get a custom barrel to .452-.454 like I was originally thinking, or maybe the 457 version though kind of waiting for Pitbull to work these over and see what we can really expect out of them. Or maybe AEA will surprise me and make something I want, the Big 9 would have been an option if I didn't already have a Bulldog 357. A friend has the Big 9 and it has plenty of power and seems accurate and no problems so far. Need to cast up a bunch of ammo and send it to him for testing, would at least give him some other options than buying ammo. Another friend has the shorter 9mm (I think Challenger), need to send him some stuff sized to .356, he's tested .357 and .358 and it just doesn't fit.
If anyone knows Bin and wants to suggest that he send me a Zeus 58, I'd be happy to invest in some different molds for testing ;D . Accurate Molds can make just about any design in these larger sizes, so the options are plentiful (but somewhat expensive),
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Assuming they shoot OK, all the .510 stuff I cast would pay for almost all 3 molds. I have around 12 pounds of stuff ready for testing if that unnamed company will get my rifle back to me (and with a decent barrel this time).
Wow, I can't believe you are still waiting.
I should update my other thread, but no real info right now. I called their skills into question, so I'm sure it is sitting in a corner being punished. [edit] got off the phone with them and getting a refund, all the barrels that they have are of similar condition, which doesn't say a lot! I was warned and should have listened, don't let anyone else make that mistake!!!
Maybe I should send them an invoice for everything I spent on the rifle accessories and request shipping instructions for all the parts that I am charging on the invoice??? Not going to buy an Airforce, just not what I want, and don't know of any other .510 rifles out there or if I could even afford them. Should probably just save up for something like a Bushbuck and get a premium rifle that will do what it says on the box. Or if Crosman was smart, they might make me a deal and get a Bulldog 457 or Gunnar 357/457 in my hands. All that negative Hammer stuff could be turned into positive (hopefully) Bulldog/Gunnar stuff. Small fish in big pond, they don't send stuff like that to people like me and I don't watch the paid reviews anymore because I generally can't trust them. One negative review and most places cut you off.
Back to AEA, they have some interesting stuff, but nothing that really stirs me to buy one (or I would have one by now). Not sure what it is, just doesn't look like something I want. Zeus in .510 would be interesting, but they chose 54 and probably not the same 54 as any black powder anythings. Trying to get some common sizes between platforms to cut down on accessories needed and a new BP rifle is very likely the next thing and probably in 50 cal which is sort of .510.
Why no love for the Texan? Are you specifically looking for a big bore with a magazine? If the Challenger came in .510 I would have one instead of my .457
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Just not a fan of the Airforce stuff, no other real reason. It is nice to have even that 2 shot magazine which was one of the reasons I went with the Hammer. I also (wrongfully) assumed that a big company like Umarex really couldn't be that bad, a lot of people are happy with their Gauntlet (1 and 2). The whole attitude about this level of "quality" being good enough is just what's so wrong in a lot of US manufacturing, this wasn't a $200 rifle. Then you look at AEA and everything that is a real problem gets addressed quickly.
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all the latest HP models use the same receiver as the semi-auto's, which means it looses a puff of air with each shot that, on the semi autos, is used to cycle the bolt. So they're not as efficient with air as the older models.
Where does that air come out? Could it not be plugged?
I thought the muzzle blast was used to cycle the bolt but maybe not
I pulled the barrel (to remedy a burr in the crown) and didn't see any way of muzzle pressure being used to cycle the bolt. I didn't fully disassemble the receiver, but it appeared to be coming from the valve area. Thinking I might have had a bad breech o-ring I contacted Bin Yan and he told me the "puff" was normal and why.
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Thanks, good to know. I was looking at the conversion kit and I misunderstood how it worked.
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I did twenty shots with my AEA HP 25 cal semi auto today. I was shooting faster on the first video, the second one I tried slowing down.
https://vimeo.com/697065556
https://vimeo.com/697217307
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I did twenty shots with my AEA HP 25 cal semi auto today. I was shooting faster on the first video, the second one I tried slowing down.
Wayne, very nice. I think that you will agree, that our non-semi's will be getting dusty
because the semi's are spoiling the S*** out of us. When I decide to grad a air guns guess
what I grab.
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I did twenty shots with my AEA HP 25 cal semi auto today. I was shooting faster on the first video, the second one I tried slowing down.
Wayne, very nice. I think that you will agree, that our non-semi's will be getting dusty
because the semi's are spoiling the S*** out of us. When I decide to grad a air guns guess
what I grab.
Bob you might recall the thread that I posted last year with a red squirrel chasing a fox squirrel out of a tree, the first shot I nailed the fox squirrel and 5 seconds or less I nailed the red squirrel, they had both fallen out of that tree no more than six feet apart. They really are a joy to shoot when you have the semi auto feature. Southern Gunner put a Huma regulator on his 30 cal carbine and is getting a boatload of shots on the regulator with that gun a lot of power. He even made a video recently dedicated to "The AEA Brand" 8)
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Bob you might recall the thread that I posted last year with a red squirrel chasing a fox squirrel out of a tree, the first shot I nailed the fox squirrel and 5 seconds or less I nailed the red squirrel, they had both fallen out of that tree no more than six feet apart. They really are a joy to shoot when you have the semi auto feature. Southern Gunner put a Huma regulator on his 30 cal carbine and is getting a boatload of shots on the regulator with that gun a lot of power. He even made a video recently dedicated to "The AEA Brand" 8)
I remember that video, because it convinced me to get a .30 cal HP semi, which I enjoy very much. So far I only have two semi's, the AEA .357 Terminator and the AEA .30.
I still enjoy the traditional bolt/side levers, but I am getting lazy. :P
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Well I just printed up five more of those 2 circle targets and I'll soon be headed back up in the attic for a third round on the same fill, I might be able to get 40 shots from it but I'm not going to push it past 30 til I see where the gauge is at after the next ten shots. Folks just don't realize how nice it is to cast your own pellets, I really like the fact that I don't have to worry about ammo with my airguns, especially now that NOE is going to make .177 BBT molds at some point, hopefully sooner than later because the few .177's that I have don't get used anymore, they're also going to be making a 20 cal BBT as well which is also very cool 8)
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So it seems everyone with the larger caliber (.25 and up) AEA semis is having good luck with them. But what about .22 cal? I've read/watched a lot of negative reviews with the .22s not cycling well. Anyone here have the .22 HP semi?
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So it seems everyone with the larger caliber (.25 and up) AEA semis is having good luck with them. But what about .22 cal? I've read/watched a lot of negative reviews with the .22s not cycling well. Anyone here have the .22 HP semi?
............ i have the first gen 22 cal(has alum 500 cc tank) & it cycles great , also have 22 cal HPSS PLUS (has tube) have not shot it much , it is really hard to cock & insert the mag , my hands are really bad ,bone on bone arthirtis in left , right has been broken twice, i have shot the 1st gen on & off for about a year& no problems..
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I made an extended handle. Not much longer but allows for two finger pulls.
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I've thought about getting one of the semi 22's but never did. The pistols are really inexpensive last time I looked too. For .22 my Challenger LS has been shining. Great trigger and super easy to cock bolt action. Loves the slugs and that's all it's ate since I've owned it.
Here's round three for the HP 25 semi carbine.
https://vimeo.com/697426287
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I’m know I’m going to end up getting one of those 25 cal carbines, Even though I’ve been telling myself I wouldn’t. This thread is not helping my resolve one bit.
Anyone here know anything about interchangeability of parts and availability of different barrels? Would be nice to have one with a couple of different length barrels for example…
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I’m know I’m going to end up getting one of those 25 cal carbines, Even though I’ve been telling myself I wouldn’t. This thread is not helping my resolve one bit.
Anyone here know anything about interchangeability of parts and availability of different barrels? Would be nice to have one with a couple of different length barrels for example…
I believe many of the parts are interchangeable, but when I asked Bin Yan (The Pellet Shop) about buying spare parts / barrels, he said they weren't available. Perhaps Bin Tac can get them?
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I asked about extra hammer springs and bin (Tac) said they were not available. I was able to get a longer shroud and set of .357 metal baffles from him for the max. So my success rate is 50%. I will have to ask about barrels.
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I'd like a 37mm tube/picatinny clamp so I can use a bipod on my 30 cal challenger.
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I got in touch with Bin of Bin Tac. He said there are barrel kits that you can buy for the HP semi auto guns. They are around $249 and include barrel, shroud, baffles, and a plunger mechanism for semi auto.
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I made an extended handle. Not much longer but allows for two finger pulls.
Nice, James! ;D
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The HP max 357 is now finally shooting the way I want it. I share this stuff not in the spirit of bragging or anything but just in case someone else out there is trying to do something with this airgun is interested in talking about it.
I stumbled on a good combination of metal and 3d printed baffles and spacers to fill an 8x1.5” tube that works to quiet it way down, thank goodness. Since this is kind of a screw on pickle I don’t think we can discuss the internals here (?) but after trying many many different combinations that were unsatisfactory found one that works pretty well.
The gun was having hammer bounce problems which added to the noise … Ended up clipping a few coils off of the stock spring, And then wound a shorter second lighter weight spring through to add stiffness, since my goal in clipping the spring wasn’t to decrease power but to decrease hammer bounce. So far so good. I may try clipping a little more so the hammer can free-fly a bit.
Next up will be some chrony testing later to see how power is affected by the changed spring but Based on the blowing holes in two by fours power is still there. :)
Here is the link to that lighter weight spring. It is not stiff enough to replace the main spring but is good for adding stiffness to a shortened spring.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08KQJSC9L?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08KQJSC9L?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image)
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I'll be shooting my HP 457 Max today at a target out at the state land, probably 5 shots at a target with my camera showing the hits.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLuC7KQ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/qYZAvjG.png)
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My better six shot group from yesterday at 50 yards, 222 grain HP NOE BBT .457, AEA Challenger Bullpup. The left and right fliers were all my fault, and trigger squeeze related.
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My better six shot group from yesterday at 50 yards, 222 grain HP NOE BBT .457, AEA Challenger Bullpup. The left and right fliers were all my fault, and trigger squeeze related.
Look at the size of those holes! :o
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My better six shot group from yesterday at 50 yards, 222 grain HP NOE BBT .457, AEA Challenger Bullpup. The left and right fliers were all my fault, and trigger squeeze related.
Look at the size of those holes! :o
It will never make a dime sized group, that's for sure ;) For the recoil, muzzle blast, heavy trigger, and heavy rifle, I'm quite pleased with the groups. The rifle could probably make one ragged hole with more practice.
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My better six shot group from yesterday at 50 yards, 222 grain HP NOE BBT .457, AEA Challenger Bullpup. The left and right fliers were all my fault, and trigger squeeze related.
that's not a bad group at all for 50 yrds. I wonder if you had some slugs that measured. 461 if the groups would tighten up some , my .45 bull pup's bore is .461 and I've cast some 290gr at 459 and they shoot better than all other slugs that were smaller, haven't taken it to 50yrds yet but at 35yds they are the best so far , I need to get back to casting for it.
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My better six shot group from yesterday at 50 yards, 222 grain HP NOE BBT .457, AEA Challenger Bullpup. The left and right fliers were all my fault, and trigger squeeze related.
that's not a bad group at all for 50 yrds. I wonder if you had some slugs that measured. 461 if the groups would tighten up some , my .45 bull pup's bore is .461 and I've cast some 290gr at 459 and they shoot better than all other slugs that were smaller, haven't taken it to 50yrds yet but at 35yds they are the best so far , I need to get back to casting for it.
I have made a tighter group using NSA slugs, which are .457-.458 in diameter. I have tried the slugs as cast and get no difference compared to sizing down to .457 or .458, but I have dies for .457 up to .460. With the NSA slugs I make a bit more power too, but the ones I have are on the heavy size. Seems like 225-ish is perfect for this platform, I'm sitting at 950+ FPS with my cast slugs.
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I'd like a 37mm tube/picatinny clamp so I can use a bipod on my 30 cal challenger.
this may work for you https://www.amazon.com/Higoo-1-38-Inch-Picatinny-Tactical-Flashlight/dp/B01C9XFDZM (https://www.amazon.com/Higoo-1-38-Inch-Picatinny-Tactical-Flashlight/dp/B01C9XFDZM) its 35mm but may work ok.
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all the latest HP models use the same receiver as the semi-auto's, which means it looses a puff of air with each shot that, on the semi autos, is used to cycle the bolt. So they're not as efficient with air as the older models.
Where does that air come out? Could it not be plugged?
I thought the muzzle blast was used to cycle the bolt but maybe not
I pulled the barrel (to remedy a burr in the crown) and didn't see any way of muzzle pressure being used to cycle the bolt. I didn't fully disassemble the receiver, but it appeared to be coming from the valve area. Thinking I might have had a bad breech o-ring I contacted Bin Yan and he told me the "puff" was normal and why.
The action is cycled by the pellet probe being blown out of the barrel in combination w/muzzle air blast forcing the plunger and rod attached to it back. The puff of air is probly coming from the breach as the probe leaves barrel.
That's why If u remove all the semi auto stuff and make it a bolt action, u get more power. Bcuz air isn't wasted pushing the pellet probe out of the barrel. The probe is locked in.
Before I sold my semi in .30, I had it shooting at 70fpe with extra hammer tension. But I had to remove the baffles, bcuz the force on the probe was more than enough to cycle it, and more would cause it to cycle to fast and cause jamming.
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https://vimeo.com/698036786
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Wayne, very nice shooting off hand. You should be well equipped for next deer season.
I just received my NOE 458-244 mold so I will be able to shoot my .458 MAX, but I'm still
waiting for the Neil Clague custom LDC so I can shoot in in my back yard, if suppressed enough.
He did design it for 300 FPE so it ended up to be 2" x 9" long. Big Pickel .
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Bob I'll probably get back out with it some more, it really is loud and the first shot puts a ring in my ear but it's not as bad as shooting a 45 ACP. I did get a red squirrel with my Challenger .22 also but I'll be getting out this morning again, it's really warm out there today so I might even spot a ground hog while I'm at it. I'll top off both the 45 and the 22 again but I'll start out hunting with the 22 first. Later on I may try blasting (literally) something with it. I'm tempted to bring along a ram rod so I can tap the slug out of the 45 because it's so loud.
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Thanks for the suggestion Chuck but I just checked out how close the tube and shroud are and I dont think there is enough room for this part to be installed. Bummer.
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I think these .357 and up HP Max guns would make fabulous arrow slingers with the short barrel. I wouldn't mind getting a .457 HP max some day since I'm already casting .457 slugs. Anyone figure out if the valve in the Challenger is different than the HP Max?
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I have the 50 cal hp max and I opened her up yesterday, she is basically the same as my hp ss .25 but just a bigger all metal valve pin and bigger ports on barrel. I haven’t weighed the hammer but looks identical to .25 cal hp ss.
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My max is finally shooting like I hoped it would. No hammer bounce, less waste of air, more power, at slightly lower fill pressure.
Seems like no one else is having this issue but I can share the spring information you can get one from Amazon. And for some of you all out there who are amazed how loud your max is, some of that may be hammer bounce and wasted air. Mine quieted down while yielding the same power once I fixed the bounce.
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My max is finally shooting like I hoped it would. No hammer bounce, less waste of air, more power, at slightly lower fill pressure.
Seems like no one else is having this issue but I can share the spring information you can get one from Amazon. And for some of you all out there who are amazed how loud your max is, some of that may be hammer bounce and wasted air. Mine quieted down while yielding the same power once I fixed the bounce.
My 357 max seems fine to me.. but it is extremely loud.
Pls do share
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In my case I was getting extra loud shots that used 2-3x more air than a regular shot.
I fixed it by clipping ~4 coils off the main spring, which reduced power obviously, and then threading a similar lighter spring through it to make a double spring and get the power up again. I then tried different lengths of the lighter spring to find the power I wanted.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08KQJSC9L?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08KQJSC9L?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image)
Looks like the 8mm OD spring is no longer in stock. There were four left a few days ago…
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In my case I was getting extra loud shots that used 2-3x more air than a regular shot.
I fixed it by clipping ~4 coils off the main spring, which reduced power obviously, and then threading a similar lighter spring through it to make a double spring and get the power up again. I then tried different lengths of the lighter spring to find the power I wanted.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08KQJSC9L?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08KQJSC9L?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image)
Looks like the 8mm OD spring is no longer in stock. There were four left a few days ago…
Impressive that you settled it down without anything irreversible or even that difficult. How many shots per fill now? FPE per shot?
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I might take mine apart and clean everything up really good but that's probably it, basically I'll be using it for hunting only,
I'll probably bring it over to my brothers house and let him take some shots with it because he's always been a gun nut
himself. I think I'll fill it to 3800psi because it seems to shoot really good for six shots at that pressure, if it's getting hammer
bounce I can't tell, it's really loud though.
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In my case I was getting extra loud shots that used 2-3x more air than a regular shot.
I fixed it by clipping ~4 coils off the main spring, which reduced power obviously, and then threading a similar lighter spring through it to make a double spring and get the power up again. I then tried different lengths of the lighter spring to find the power I wanted.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08KQJSC9L?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08KQJSC9L?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image)
Looks like the 8mm OD spring is no longer in stock. There were four left a few days ago…
Impressive that you settled it down without anything irreversible or even that difficult. How many shots per fill now? FPE per shot?
Thanks. I’m just relieved to have a gun that shoots consistently.
I need to collect more data. Here is a recent shot string with 82 grain grizzly slugs. It’s hard to make a call as far as the number of shots per because it’s just a steady slope down.
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I wish a bunch of this stuff had been out before I bought my Bulldog, 200fpe in a short barreled carbine? Yeah that would have filled a niche.
Now here is something that AEA should consider, make a long barrel kit for those times when you want more power. Even 24-26 inch should bring a nice power increase.
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Not sure about the Max but my TD carbine has about 3/4" of threads on the stock shaft that screws into the receiver that could act as a spring tensioner. I keep mine screwed all the way in but I would think there is some adjustability there instead of changing springs.
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For sure - this worked for me just fine and the on the Max makes a very noticeable difference.
If you back it out too much the spring guide ends up not being firmly anchored - free to rattle forward and backward along the main axis of the gun, and perpendicularly as well to some degree. If you try this and start getting some random weird shots like I did, this might explain it. It would be possible to make a little part to keep the spring guide firmly anchored even when backing out the nut a bit.
Attached is a shot string with the clipped spring and about 4200 psi fill. This makes me want to experiment a little further and see if I can get the upside of that curve to be a little less steep it might be possible to get four or five shots that are very close to one another.
I have a couple more springs coming, one with slightly thicker wire so I can experiment with even shorter stiffer springs and see how a projectile hammer works out.
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Since these big bores are so air hungry, I have been using a SST for my .45 Challenger. No point in using the magazines when you only get 2-3 shots at peak power. Maybe when hunting it's a different story and having that second shot with just a cycle of the lever is worth it.
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I am seriously thinking about a bottle regulator. Altaros makes one and you can add an additional plenum. Looks like the clearance is too tight for the Sumo LDC I have on it. Will have to go to a smaller diameter LDC.
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Me too - not sure what volume plenum you’d need to launch a .357 or .45 with authority through.
I will someday combine my airforce tank offset adapter (talon tunes item that can lower the tank, allowing for fatter bottles in this case) and an altaros reg with an extra plenum attachment. If I don’t need that angle adjuster it may not use it but it adds quite a bit more air to the Plenum. The bottle in the picture is just a random .5L 3000 psi aluminum bottle but I’m going to get something different. Any leads on a budget carbon fiber bottle? I don’t understand why these gun CF bottles cost as much as a guppy tank + full assembly.
My guess is that it will be heavy and under powered but it’s worth a try. I’ll get to it as soon as I get over being happy that my Max is finally shooting well after many weeks of messing around.
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Me too - not sure what volume plenum you’d need to launch a .357 or .45 with authority through.
I will someday combine my airforce tank offset adapter (talon tunes item that can lower the tank, allowing for fatter bottles in this case) and an altaros reg with an extra plenum attachment. If I don’t need that angle adjuster it may not use it but it adds quite a bit more air to the Plenum. The bottle in the picture is just a random .5L 3000 psi aluminum bottle but I’m going to get something different. Any leads on a budget carbon fiber bottle? I don’t understand why these gun CF bottles cost as much as a guppy tank + full assembly.
My guess is that it will be heavy and under powered but it’s worth a try. I’ll get to it as soon as I get over being happy that my Max is finally shooting well after many weeks of messing around.
Bob may be able to help you out with figuring out the plenum volume for your desired power.
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Filling my AEA HP Max 457 to 270 bar is ideal for me because you'll get six pretty accurate shots right in that area of pressure. Filling them to 4500psi you'll get a drop after every shot and not so much when filling to 270bar. Even at 270 bar these guns have substantial big game killing power.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLuC7KQ.png)
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I haven’t been topping off either just so as not to kill my compressor.
For those interested, I actually got 162.5 fpe from a 125 gr NSA slug with the shortened/ stiffened spring, and filled to a little over 4100 psi (who knows - none of my gauges agree).
On my particular gun, I am getting about 9-10 extra fpe and also less air usage with the changed spring.
yesterday I ordered a stiffer (I hope) hammer spring: 8mm OD spring with 1.2 mm wire (20% thicker than stock) which someone helpful here mentioned is about the thickest wire that will fit between the spring guide and the walls.
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That's why If u remove all the semi auto stuff and make it a bolt action, u get more power. Bcuz air isn't wasted pushing the pellet probe out of the barrel. The probe is locked in.
That might have been the case with your rifle, but wasn't the case with the HP Varmint I bought from The Pellet Shop a couple months ago. That rifle had the hole in the receiver for the plunger that cycles the bolt and it puffed air with every shot. So it was definitely loosing air and Bin Yan swore that it was not a problem with the rifle.
Not trying to argue, just stating my experience and what the dealer told me. In any event, that plus several other reasons caused me to send it back and buy a Challenger Pro instead.
Here's the video I sent to Bin to show him what the rifle was doing:
https://youtube.com/shorts/uVoPTlaWF0Q?feature=share
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https://youtube.com/shorts/uVoPTlaWF0Q?feature=share
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Well anyway glad you got that sorted out... ;D
Has anyone tried just a ronin on a .45 or .50? Does it quit it down any? Might buy one also
thinking of buying just the ronin extendeder and making my own baffles. 185 vs $60
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That is the same ping sound I get from my .25 hp ss love the gun! Does anyone have any suggestions on how to quiet that noise my neighbors can hear it from 60 yards away?
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Bison workshop makes a depinger for the challenger tubes. I think the ss tube is wider. Ppl have had success with a baby bottle brush. Just make sure to look on yt how to install it.
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Does anyone know the specifications for the breech o-ring for the 357 HP max?
Thank you
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Marco I've been searching trying to find out o ring sizes for any of the AEA airguns and none of any of the dealers seem to have any kind of o ring specs for any of the guns. The way that I did find out the breech o ring size for my 25 cal carbine when I needed one was to measure the old one and I was able to to dig through my o rings for a replacement. AEA needs to refine their support for all the guns that they're selling. I could take my .357 Challenger apart to find the size of the o ring that you need but doing that would probably destroy the o ring that I have in it. Have you tried calling Bin at the pellet shop to try finding out the size of it?
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I have a Sumo on my 25 HP. Loudest noise after that was the Ping. Bought a bottle brush 2.5". Installed it inside the carbon fiber bottle and most noise went away. The Ping is gone and the action isn't very noisy. I'm sold on using a brush for a depinger, shooting at varmints now and many times they are not spooked.
Jim
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https://youtube.com/shorts/uVoPTlaWF0Q?feature=share
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Well anyway glad you got that sorted out... ;D
Has anyone tried just a ronin on a .45 or .50? Does it quit it down any? Might buy one also
thinking of buying just the ronin extendeder and making my own baffles. 185 vs $60
I don't think a Ronin will do much for you.
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For anyone curious, I slugged the 357 barrel. At its widest the slug is about 9.03- 9.04mm and where it was cut in by the rifling it’s around 8.85-8.9 mm
Does anyone following this thread know how I use those numbers to size my projectiles. My guess is you’d want your bullets to be a hair thicker than that larger number so there’s some solid contact with the barrel?
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For anyone curious, I slugged the 357 barrel. At its widest the slug is about 9.03- 9.04mm and where it was cut in by the rifling it’s around 8.85-8.9 mm
Does anyone following this thread know how I use those numbers to size my projectiles. My guess is you’d want your bullets to be a hair thicker than that larger number so there’s some solid contact with the barrel?
Sounds like the grooves are .356 and the lands are around .350". I suggest getting an NOE sizing kit and a few different die sizes, maybe .355, .356, and .357. It also sounds like the NOE .35 cal pellet mold would fit very well, and those don't need sizing. There will be some trial and error to figuring out what size ammo will be the "best".
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Thanks for the info. I have a .357 sizing bushing and a mold cut to .358, maybe another bushing or two would be a good idea!
I’m not sure how much to trust my measurements of the soft lead with the hard calipers but I did my best. My consistency in re-measuring wasn’t great.
Also managed to find an oring that fits the breech. I’m not sure it’s the same as the original one. Seems like 11 mm is the outer diameter needed. I tried 11 x 1.5. This works but doesn’t feel like it’s quite as tight as the stock although I’m just going based on memory. It also seems to leak a little bit more air although powers still pretty good.
11x2 was too big. Even though it popped in the gap, it was too far by just a hair and I couldn’t quite close the breech, so I sanded down the outer edged and polished the inner edge and now I have a very snug fit, tighter than the stock oring which I think is a good thing.
I also ordered a replacement from Bin Tac - I didn’t get an answer as to what the dimensions were but he said he had one on hand and would ship it to me.
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Thanks for the info. I have a .357 sizing bushing and a mold cut to .358, maybe another bushing or two would be a good idea!
I’m not sure how much to trust my measurements of the soft lead with the hard calipers but I did my best. My consistency in re-measuring wasn’t great.
Also managed to find an oring that fits the breech. I’m not sure it’s the same as the original one. Seems like 11 mm is the outer diameter needed. I tried 11 x 1.5. This works but doesn’t feel like it’s quite as tight as the stock although I’m just going based on memory. It also seems to leak a little bit more air although powers still pretty good.
11x2 was too big. Even though it popped in the gap, it was too far by just a hair and I couldn’t quite close the breech, so I sanded down the outer edged and polished the inner edge and now I have a very snug fit, tighter than the stock oring which I think is a good thing.
I also ordered a replacement from Bin Tac - I didn’t get an answer as to what the dimensions were but he said he had one on hand and would ship it to me.
Yeah, it's tricky to measure the slugs. It sounds like the bore is perfect for an air gun, a bit on the small side and good for available .35 cal pellets.
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When I talked with Mike Melick on the phone this morning he said all he'll do for a bad ping is take about a 3" piece of freezer tubing, wad it up and shove it half way down the air tube, he said it's worked on everything he's tried it on. It does make a lot of sense when you think about it because it's soft enough to make good contact and it would definitely deaden the resonance through the tube.
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I see all kinds of stuff when I search for freezer tubing. What material / dimensions are we talking about ?
Thank you I’d like to try this out.
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It's the same stuff people use to make 3/8" I.D. transfer ports with.
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I used a nylon bottle brush in my Challenger. > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07HS3SYX1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07HS3SYX1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
No ping and with 16" of moderator it's hilariously quiet.
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Mr. P,
I'd go down to .356 if I were you. With the higher pressures in firearms it is common to be 0.001 larger than the grooves, but we don't have those kinds of pressures. If you had a .356 you might also try polishing it out to .3565, but that's as far as I would recommend. So essentially, any mold made for 9mm and most for 38 and 357 should be an ideal place to start, just need to make sure they aren't too long to fit the magazine.
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Ok - good to know thank you.
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https://youtube.com/shorts/uVoPTlaWF0Q?feature=share
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Well anyway glad you got that sorted out... ;D
Has anyone tried just a ronin on a .45 or .50? Does it quit it down any? Might buy one also
thinking of buying just the ronin extendeder and making my own baffles. 185 vs $60
I don't think a Ronin will do much for you.
Appreciate the advice. I was afraid somebody would say that. I already ordered the ronin extendeder though so I'ma gonna atleast try to DYI something. It should screw right on. Buuut Atleast I will already have the extender when i do order the emperor.
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If you try a bunch of stuff in the extender and it doesn’t work out, try three chambers of three different sizes, the largest one at the end, the smallest one in the middle. Worked for me….
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.356 was too small in my Challenger 357, However if you're talking about a HP Max that might be different ???
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that is what I measured on my .357 max.
Looks like breech o ring is either 12mm x2mm or 0.5” x 1/16”. What I have isn’t quite doing it. 12.6x2mm too large and 12 x 1.5 fits but the seal is poor. So I have the two in-between sizes (all I could find) on the way.
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that is what I measured on my .357 max.
Looks like breech o ring is either 12mm x2mm or 0.5” x 1/16”. What I have isn’t quite doing it. 12.6x2mm too large and 12 x 1.5 fits but the seal is poor. So I have the two in-between sizes (all I could find) on the way.
Where are you getting o-rings from? I usually order from https://www.oringsandmore.com/ (https://www.oringsandmore.com/) and they do have *some* in between sizes and weird stuff. I have the same problem with my Eagle Claw as AV/Seneca/Sam Yang doesn't want to come off the list of o-rings and erroneously (on purpose?) confirmed o-ring sizes to me that ended up not fitting right. I lost all my accuracy after resealing and had to tear down the rifle, again, and try some of the odd sized rings I ordered, which actually ended up fitting.
I used this link: https://www.allorings.com/O-Ring-AS568-Standard-Size-Chart (https://www.allorings.com/O-Ring-AS568-Standard-Size-Chart) and my outside mic to guesstimate what I needed and ended up getting three sizes for each ring I was trying to replace. None of the SAE or "standard" metric rings ended up working and I had to use odd sized stuff like a 1.6mm CS instead of 1.5 mm, 2 mm, or 0.070" cs.
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Sometimes the best thing to do is buy an assortment of metric and an assortment of SAE. Harbor Freights work in a pinch but they're not good o rings at all.
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Sometimes the best thing to do is buy an assortment of metric and an assortment of SAE. Harbor Freights work in a pinch but they're not good o rings at all.
None of the assorted sets seem to have the sizes I'm after, but that might not be the case for Crosman or other American made/designed guns.
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I've got an assortment of metric o rings that I bought from the o ring store several years ago that's really come in handy for a lot of different airgun stuff.
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Sometimes the best thing to do is buy an assortment of metric and an assortment of SAE. Harbor Freights work in a pinch but they're not good o rings at all.
Nope, I bought two different types of rubber in their kits, and they are very easy to cut. Works in a pinch but not great quality.
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One of my Xisico Sentry's (the newest one in my signature) kept destroying the fill port o rings, after going through three
of them in relatively short time I called Mike Melick@flyingdragonairguns to ask for the dimensions I need to get some of
those o rings and he explained the size that came with them from China was wrong, After finding out what
size I needed I haven't had to replace one since.
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I have noticed that sometimes the included o-rings aren't the best or seal that great. I have gone up or down by .1mm in CS or diameter and gotten good results. It's only a few dollars to order a variety of rings, but I now have a ton that don't really fit anything I have.
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If you try a bunch of stuff in the extender and it doesn’t work out, try three chambers of three different sizes, the largest one at the end, the smallest one in the middle. Worked for me….
I'll try that first, thanks man."dang" Donny ships fast. Showed up a hour ago.
Those green harbor freight o-rings seem to b alot tougher. The black ones are weak. I wish they would include o ring sizes in the Manuel along side the diagram.
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One of my Xisico Sentry's (the newest one in my signature) kept destroying the fill port o rings, after going through three
of them in relatively short time I called Mike Melick@flyingdragonairguns to ask for the dimensions I need to get some of
those o rings and he explained the size that came with them from China was wrong, After finding out what
size I needed I haven't had to replace one since.
May I ask for the dimensions, please? I will be tearing my 705 down next week to see if I can find the leak I have by the poppet stem.
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I ordered way more than I needed too but they're still nice to have around.
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Thank you Wayne!
I am still looking for O-rings for my Chaser/Diana barrel end, they are .8mmx14mm. NADA, even the O-ring store doesn't carry them. :-\
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Thank you Wayne!
I am still looking for O-rings for my Chaser/Diana barrel end, they are .8mmx14mm. NADA, even the O-ring store doesn't carry them. :-\
Wes can get you some, I can shoot you an email with his email address if you need it.
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I went to harbor freight yesterday and got the black o rings and they are not very tough at all. I’m glad you mentioned that because I was wondering what it was doing wrong.
Also not one of them actually fits. I have two mixed O-ring sets that I purchased, none fit, so now I’ve narrowed it down to some individual rings that are on their way.
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Thank you Wayne!
I am still looking for O-rings for my Chaser/Diana barrel end, they are .8mmx14mm. NADA, even the O-ring store doesn't carry them. :-\
Wes can get you some, I can shoot you an email with his email address if you need it.
Yes, please! Thank you DJ. ;D
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I bought the Master Blaster which is basically the predecessor of that Diana Chaser from Mrodair and that gun came with a complete set of o rings, both barrels and everything thing for the carbine and pistol.
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I bought the Master Blaster which is basically the predecessor of that Diana Chaser from Mrodair and that gun came with a complete set of o rings, both barrels and everything thing for the carbine and pistol.
Sorry for the derail; I also go the O-rings but I used them already since I had a burr on the receiver that chewed them up first time out. :-\ New ones are inside and I dont want to pull them because I don't have another set. I did de-burr the opening but I'm a little paranoid... :o
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I just compared the harbor freight o rings to the others in my collection and they are really poor quality! Did not expect that. They are made of some different material - kind of hard, with poor elasticity and (as already stated) easily cut or nicked.
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I don’t know but I have a cpl observations. 1). There have been very few AEA guns that seem to turn up in the classifieds lately and I know they have sold literally tons of them. 2). BIN (non pellet shop associated BIN) will literally answer you right back if you text him and I’ve even had him call me direct after a text message. What other distributor does that?? Has to be something to them.
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AEA airguns in my case have been super reliable, the only time that I called Bin Tac was when I was wondering about a gun I ordered, come to find out I didn't order it from him but he still got things straightened out with my order through getting hold of the vendor I bought it through and I had the gun within a matter of days. Bin Tac really is the person to deal with I think. Bin from the pellet shop is also very good dealing with the public as well.
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AEA does seem to bend over backwards to help you, as opposed to bending you over. Still waiting for my refund check from Umarex, how long does it take to cut a check and mail it? This money has been tied up since the beginning of February, certainly not getting any interest or other use out of it.
If AEA made a .510 barrel on something, I'd probably buy it to stem the losses I'll be forced to take on the molds and sizers I bought. A Zeus in 510 would be cool, but something with an over 1 inch long magazine would be fantastic. Especially if it made 700fpe with 3 shots (or more).
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That would be an awesome gun!
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AEA does seem to bend over backwards to help you, as opposed to bending you over. Still waiting for my refund check from Umarex, how long does it take to cut a check and mail it? This money has been tied up since the beginning of February, certainly not getting any interest or other use out of it.
If AEA made a .510 barrel on something, I'd probably buy it to stem the losses I'll be forced to take on the molds and sizers I bought. A Zeus in 510 would be cool, but something with an over 1 inch long magazine would be fantastic. Especially if it made 700fpe with 3 shots (or more).
Take a look at the Hatsan Piledriver it is .510 bore, Like mine so far had it coming up on a year soon, powerful and accurate.
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I totally agree with what Wayne says!
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OK kids, I have the AEA HP Semiauto SS in .22 and the AEA HP Semiauto SS Plus in .22 in my cart. Which one do I buy? 8" barrel or 10" barrel? Hmmmm....
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Nope, never mind. Yawl are to darn slow. ;D ;)
Contacted Bin Tac and I am going to get the Carbine semi-auto in .22.
https://www.aeaairgun.net/product-page/black-5-only-5-aea-hp-semi-carbine-22-25-30-with-bintac-cnc-stock (https://www.aeaairgun.net/product-page/black-5-only-5-aea-hp-semi-carbine-22-25-30-with-bintac-cnc-stock)
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OK kids, I have the AEA HP Semiauto SS in .22 and the AEA HP Semiauto SS Plus in .22 in my cart. Which one do I buy? 8" barrel or 10" barrel? Hmmmm....
The black one get the black one.
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OK kids, I have the AEA HP Semiauto SS in .22 and the AEA HP Semiauto SS Plus in .22 in my cart. Which one do I buy? 8" barrel or 10" barrel? Hmmmm....
The black one get the black one.
:o ;D ;)
I really WANT a semi auto, the AEA seems to be the best and when I saw the carbine... the stars all aligned!
And...
It's black. And you know what they say?
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They say when you go semi you will burn through more ammo...
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They say when you go semi you will burn through more ammo...
SO CLOSE! :o
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They say when you go semi you will burn through more ammo...
Hatsan Blitz go Brrrr....
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Firewalker
When do you expect to get it? I can't wait to get a full picture laden review with all of your comments. Living vicariously through others is my budgets only option right now.
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Firewalker
When do you expect to get it? I can't wait to get a full picture laden review with all of your comments. Living vicariously through others is my budgets only option right now.
Bin is having an issue with PayPal today, I'm hoping I can pay tonight. He has the label printed, just working on the session token.
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Seeing how much power AEA is getting out of .25 cal guns, I wonder if they will make a .257. If they can build one that makes over 150 FPE I would probably buy one for a long range bench gun.
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Seeing how much power AEA is getting out of .25 cal guns, I wonder if they will make a .257. If they can build one that makes over 150 FPE I would probably buy one for a long range bench gun.
They could "easily" adapt a Zeus into 257 for long range use, a 32 inch barrel with lots of push behind it should be easily 150fpe for a few shots. The only question would be how many they might sell, I probably wouldn't buy that type (but not 100% on that). A Zeus in 510 and I would have money out right now as I'm entertaining some dark thoughts of two other manufacturers right now because very little out there in this size. Why 510? Because it can carry some ammo over to muzzle loader which I also need to get back into, simply because I enjoy that type of shooting too. I'm forced to shoot at a club, so big clouds of smoke and fire are common there, along with the BOOM from either a big bore airgun, or "conventional" guns.
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.257+700cc bottle would equal alot of dead coyotes.
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Seeing how much power AEA is getting out of .25 cal guns, I wonder if they will make a .257. If they can build one that makes over 150 FPE I would probably buy one for a long range bench gun.
They could "easily" adapt a Zeus into 257 for long range use, a 32 inch barrel with lots of push behind it should be easily 150fpe for a few shots. The only question would be how many they might sell, I probably wouldn't buy that type (but not 100% on that). A Zeus in 510 and I would have money out right now as I'm entertaining some dark thoughts of two other manufacturers right now because very little out there in this size. Why 510? Because it can carry some ammo over to muzzle loader which I also need to get back into, simply because I enjoy that type of shooting too. I'm forced to shoot at a club, so big clouds of smoke and fire are common there, along with the BOOM from either a big bore airgun, or "conventional" guns.
.257 Texan is sitting at 200 FPE, so I would think a Zeus .257 would be even higher. 150+ is what the .257 NOE BBT slugs need to be traveling at 950+ and I would rather be closer to 1050 for a dedicated long range gun. I think 200+ FPE in a .257 is a tall order on HPA. The Texan does have the advantage of the inline valve design that will make more power with heavier slugs, at the cost of air usage. I had hoped the Evanix Rex Ibex .257 would be close but it looks like those are about 100 FPE guns, and they are the same price as a Texan.
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.257+700cc bottle would equal alot of dead coyotes.
From 200 yards away!
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Reach out and smackem!
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Got a .22 challenger long stock as my first pcp. It's pretty ok I'd say I got what I paid for. Easy to cock, shoots very consistently given the same fill pressure. Depending on the ES you want to tolerate I get 1 mag 12 shots at full power about 36 at 1/3. Seems to like being filled a little less than 3600.
Just had a kid so my shooting has been limited to backyard plinking in between diapers curious to see how it feels in the woods. Overall feels pretty light and balanced compared to my old NP2 which felt front heavy. The weight is towards your shoulder not your hand if that makes sense. I bought a smattering of 21, 24, 28 grain slugs in various diameters from nielsen and put about 2000 through it.
Power isn't quite there. Holding out hope I just have the wrong slug sizes but it's a 62/63fpe gun all day long. (Or maybe my chronograph is bad it's all new to me) Pressure gauge is off by about 300 psi and you stare down the barrel to read it. Is that normal? Yikes. I go off the pump and fill to 3500
Magazine wanted to pop out in between shots but I adjusted the barrel till it stopped. Breach side of the barrel was ugly. Like saw cut ugly. My eye is probably a little more picky as a machinist but I'd be embarrassed to ship that. Hit it with a file, some sand paper... just run your finger over it. It doesn't affect anything just take some pride in your @$%^.
I over tightened the bolt holding the assembly to the stock initially and that caused the air tube to be in contact with the barrel shroud. Might add some washers so I can't do that in the future.
Lastly sling mounts! They're dirt cheap and you advertise it as a hunting gun.
I realize thats a lot of complaints but I'm happy with it overall. Took all of an afternoon to sort most of it out. I wanted the cheapest possible setup to squirrel hunt with a pcp and it delivered. I think I got the gun, a pump, a chrono, a scope, and a decent amount of slugs for under $500. Not bad at all. Looking around at their other models seems like it has potential to be the Honda civic of airguns if they support the aftermarket and barrel kits etc. Looking forward to getting to know this gun better.
Oh people were talking about o rings; don't waste your time with harbor freight they're the wrong material. Bin sent me a couple no charge just ask.
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Got a .22 challenger long stock as my first pcp. It's pretty ok I'd say I got what I paid for. Easy to cock, shoots very consistently given the same fill pressure. Depending on the ES you want to tolerate I get 1 mag 12 shots at full power about 36 at 1/3. Seems to like being filled a little less than 3600.
Just had a kid so my shooting has been limited to backyard plinking in between diapers curious to see how it feels in the woods. Overall feels pretty light and balanced compared to my old NP2 which felt front heavy. The weight is towards your shoulder not your hand if that makes sense. I bought a smattering of 21, 24, 28 grain slugs in various diameters from nielsen and put about 2000 through it.
Power isn't quite there. Holding out hope I just have the wrong slug sizes but it's a 62/63fpe gun all day long. (Or maybe my chronograph is bad it's all new to me) Pressure gauge is off by about 300 psi and you stare down the barrel to read it. Is that normal? Yikes. I go off the pump and fill to 3500
Magazine wanted to pop out in between shots but I adjusted the barrel till it stopped. Breach side of the barrel was ugly. Like saw cut ugly. My eye is probably a little more picky as a machinist but I'd be embarrassed to ship that. Hit it with a file, some sand paper... just run your finger over it. It doesn't affect anything just take some pride in your @$%^.
I over tightened the bolt holding the assembly to the stock initially and that caused the air tube to be in contact with the barrel shroud. Might add some washers so I can't do that in the future.
Lastly sling mounts! They're dirt cheap and you advertise it as a hunting gun.
I realize thats a lot of complaints but I'm happy with it overall. Took all of an afternoon to sort most of it out. I wanted the cheapest possible setup to squirrel hunt with a pcp and it delivered. I think I got the gun, a pump, a chrono, a scope, and a decent amount of slugs for under $500. Not bad at all. Looking around at their other models seems like it has potential to be the Honda civic of airguns if they support the aftermarket and barrel kits etc. Looking forward to getting to know this gun better.
Oh people were talking about o rings; don't waste your time with harbor freight they're the wrong material. Bin sent me a couple no charge just ask.
Not many have the smaller caliber Challengers, I use mine all the time for squirrels, very accurate and powerful pcp. I only shoot slugs that I cast myself from it only. People don't realize just how nice these guns are, seems all they can think about are the big bores.
(https://i.imgur.com/sX8fCK6.png)
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My HP arrived, it's in the truck awaiting opening, petting and... Oh, sorry, got a little personal there. :o
I am much more excited about this gun than any other since I got my first 760!
Semi-friggin-auto! ;D ;)
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I felt and still feel the same way. I have not enjoyed a rifle as much since my mother gave me a Browning semi auto for my 16th birthday, 50 years ago. I have a single point sling hooked up and I have it strapped on daily. Wife says I sleep with it.
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Cut it out I don’t really feel like spending more money right now.
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Cut it out I don’t really feel like spending more money right now.
No kidding, there are some enablers around here!
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This one here is just a flat out beast and a lot of fun shooting, it gobbles up air fast though.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLuC7KQ.png)
it's got a BIG appetite too 8)
(https://i.imgur.com/qYZAvjG.png)
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This one here is just a flat out beast and a lot of fun shooting, it gobbles up air fast though.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLuC7KQ.png)
it's got a BIG appetite too 8)
(https://i.imgur.com/qYZAvjG.png)
Have you shot that over the chronograph yet? My Challenger does the flat nose around 925 FPS and the HP around 965 FPS.
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Power isn't quite there. Holding out hope I just have the wrong slug sizes but it's a 62/63fpe gun all day long.
The .22 is only rated to get 70fpe. I'm sure u can hit that with heavier slugs. But still 60-70 fpe is incredibly powerful for a .22. my eagle claw in .25 only got 80fpe. I've been wanting to grab a standard challenger in .25 and or .22 for the longest but I keep buying the big BORES. Had one in .30 it only got 100~ fpe. I think 70fpe is in .22 makes it a must have.
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VERY interesting first session with the new HP Carbine, I opened the package and assembled the gun, charged the tank up to 3k and loaded a couple magazines of CPHP's, slapped on a Pinty red dot, flipped the safety off and aim, squeeze, BANG!
Hmm, a little ear ringing, tried another shot, very much a normal airgun shot and a third that barely spit out the pellet, no air noise at all. Hmmm
I had to charge the bolt handle and try again, it got normal shots then a BANG! always followed by a pit-tooo and then had to recharge the bolt. On the second magazine, I got a few less BANG!s and less pit-tooo's. I filled the tank and filled the magazines, charged the bolt and went outside to the pistol range for some AR-500 playtime.
Medium fast semiauto firing rate through both magazines, no loud bangs or pit-tooo's, all 24 shot just fine.
Back into the shop, turn the chrony on and load a magazine, fill the bottle, slow firing, 2 BANG!s, 1250 and 1255 fps from the bangs and the lightbulb comes on, breaking the sound barrier, i.e. they went supersonic.
Looks like I need to get some more pellets through the gun to loosen it up and get the speeds to settle but first, I wanted to see if it was accurate at the 50y pistol range, fill/fill, cock, shoot. Incredibly, all 24 shots hit the 11" steel and 23 of them hit in a 3" group with a few going supersonic.
I am overjoyed! I got a HARD hitting 40 fpe .22 that likes CPHP's and makes 3" groups with a 3 MOA red dot sight at 50 yards. Only 2 things I would improve: Picatinny rail and an adjustable trigger. Built like a tank, very rugged, made to take a beating, very comfortable, cheeks well, overall very pleased.
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I haven't done any chrony testing with my HP Max.
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I do love the form factor of the HP series guns. I wonder what the .457 HP Max would do with a .257 liner. Yesterday had almost no wind and plenty of sun, but I wasn't able to shoot. Today is cloudy and 8-12 MPH winds. Maybe I'll just shoot my .45 AEA and not have to worry about the wind at all, but I really wanted to shoot my Stormrider. Every day that makes my groups huge at 50 yards makes me want more big bores.
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Nope, never mind. Yawl are to darn slow. ;D ;)
Contacted Bin Tac and I am going to get the Carbine semi-auto in .22.
https://www.aeaairgun.net/product-page/black-5-only-5-aea-hp-semi-carbine-22-25-30-with-bintac-cnc-stock (https://www.aeaairgun.net/product-page/black-5-only-5-aea-hp-semi-carbine-22-25-30-with-bintac-cnc-stock)
Think you chose well. You didn’t want one of those wimpy powered AEA guns
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Nope, never mind. Yawl are to darn slow. ;D ;)
Contacted Bin Tac and I am going to get the Carbine semi-auto in .22.
https://www.aeaairgun.net/product-page/black-5-only-5-aea-hp-semi-carbine-22-25-30-with-bintac-cnc-stock (https://www.aeaairgun.net/product-page/black-5-only-5-aea-hp-semi-carbine-22-25-30-with-bintac-cnc-stock)
Think you chose well. You didn’t want one of those wimpy powered AEA guns
True, that! I want the 38/357 bullpup next, 300 fpe! ;)
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Nope, never mind. Yawl are to darn slow. ;D ;)
Contacted Bin Tac and I am going to get the Carbine semi-auto in .22.
https://www.aeaairgun.net/product-page/black-5-only-5-aea-hp-semi-carbine-22-25-30-with-bintac-cnc-stock (https://www.aeaairgun.net/product-page/black-5-only-5-aea-hp-semi-carbine-22-25-30-with-bintac-cnc-stock)
Think you chose well. You didn’t want one of those wimpy powered AEA guns
True, that! I want the 38/357 bullpup next, 300 fpe! ;)
I made a few 3-2" groups at 50 yards with my pinty holo red dot sight shooting 220 grain HP .457 BBTs at 965+ FPS, if you needed any encouragement. With a scope I can usually keep those groups around 1", but the scope that normally goes on there got donated to my Eagle Claw for now.
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I've haven't seen much at all about the Marauder SAM in quite a while, I think they'll probably discontinue that gun because they're pretty much worthless.
Sent mine back to Crosman for a full refund 3 days after I got it, ordered my AEA Semi auto 25cal carbine and WOW the thing shoots flawlessly. The SAM
I'd shoot 2-3 times and it would jamb, never was able to get a full clip through it without a jamb . . . worthless.
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I'll grab the 3x12 bug buster for the Carbine, the 3x9 needs to stay on the Chaser.
The accuracy is very encouraging, hosp got a taste of cphp this morning, 1 down. Hit true, what more can you ask for?
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I've got two of the 3x12 Bugbusters myself, I love them little scopes. I got rained on or should I say sleeted on this morning,I did get a red squirrel and a chipper with my Challenger
this morning. That Challenger is awesome for sniping the long shots like the red was today. I'm glad I bought that gun rather than getting the varmint barrel kit on my Carbine.
(https://i.imgur.com/UktOn3Y.png)
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I've got two of the 3x12 Bugbusters myself, I love them little scopes. I got rained on or should I say sleeted on this morning,I did get a red squirrel and a chipper with my Challenger
this morning. That Challenger is awesome for sniping the long shots like the red was today. I'm glad I bought that gun rather than getting the varmint barrel kit on my Carbine.
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Challenger standard or bullpup?
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David I was showing the Bugbuster I have on my Carbine mainly, The shot I made with my Challenger that has a UTG 4-16 tactical scope with a 30mm tube. I probably wouldn't even have tried the shot with my carbine.
I just now posted the video in the hunting gate.
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Has anyone regulated their challenger standard yet??
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Has anyone regulated their challenger standard yet??
I haven't regulated one personally however Southern Gunner did put a regulator in his 30 cal a while back with great results, I think it talks about it in the same video he did about the Challenger pro ??? Since then I've thought about doing it but just haven't and don't really know for sure if it would be worth it for basically hunting only like I do.
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Has anyone regulated their challenger standard yet??
As Wayne said, the Challenger "Pro" series guns are regulated and catered to bench rest shooters. So far I have only seen one regulated big bore, and nobody really likes it, the Umarex Hammer. All the other regulated guns I've seen are .30 and below.
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Has anyone regulated their challenger standard yet??
As Wayne said, the Challenger "Pro" series guns are regulated and catered to bench rest shooters. So far I have only seen one regulated big bore, and nobody really likes it, the Umarex Hammer. All the other regulated guns I've seen are .30 and below.
I was thinking of regulating a 22 or 25. It seems the HS would be an issue wouldn’t it? You would be quite over sprung for the regulated pressure? Just curious if anyone had played around with it. I’m really curious how much power would be actually put out by the 25 with say a 150-160 bar regulator.
I also wonder how the pro would perform on its reg pressure being dropped to the same. Interested in these guns but would be fine taming them a bit if accuracy could be maintained.
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As Wayne said, the Challenger "Pro" series guns are regulated and catered to bench rest shooters. So far I have only seen one regulated big bore, and nobody really likes it, the Umarex Hammer. All the other regulated guns I've seen are .30 and below.
The jury is still out on that one for me, the used rifle arrives Thursday or Friday. I was probably stupid for trying a THIRD rifle, but the Airforce just don't make me want to buy one. And the used Hammer was half the price of a used Texan LSS CF, and the owner of the Texan said he had to clean the lead out every 5 or 6 shots or accuracy was gone.
I did just regulate my Bulldog, since it is a third party kit it may not count, but ES of 9fps so far in my testing seems promising. Need to try lighter weight ammo and see if that ES remains. This was a Pitbull kit and I'm sitting at just over 200fpe for 10 shots with 155 grain ammo. Didn't want to open the ports up farther and I think this is a fair place to hold the Bulldog. It will never produce what the 50 cal Hammer or 50 cal Texan will produce, so stop chasing it and shoot.
Back to AEA incase Bin is reading, I'd really like a Zeus that takes .510 ammo and has a nice big air supply on it. A regulator (Huma please) would be really cool too. I'll trade my Hammer for it ;D
Also want to see what tuners like Pitbull are going to make from the Bulldog 457, the air tube is already the same size and thread, so the Huma and high pressure tube are ready to go on. Though on that I really would like to see a bottle like Hammer and Gauntlet.
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Greg to be honest I never clean the barrels of any of my airguns but I only use pure lead to begin with on everything. I never use any pellet or slug lubricant's except for sizing slugs and then it's basically Imperial sizing die wax.
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As Wayne said, the Challenger "Pro" series guns are regulated and catered to bench rest shooters. So far I have only seen one regulated big bore, and nobody really likes it, the Umarex Hammer. All the other regulated guns I've seen are .30 and below.
The jury is still out on that one for me, the used rifle arrives Thursday or Friday. I was probably stupid for trying a THIRD rifle, but the Airforce just don't make me want to buy one. And the used Hammer was half the price of a used Texan LSS CF, and the owner of the Texan said he had to clean the lead out every 5 or 6 shots or accuracy was gone.
I did just regulate my Bulldog, since it is a third party kit it may not count, but ES of 9fps so far in my testing seems promising. Need to try lighter weight ammo and see if that ES remains. This was a Pitbull kit and I'm sitting at just over 200fpe for 10 shots with 155 grain ammo. Didn't want to open the ports up farther and I think this is a fair place to hold the Bulldog. It will never produce what the 50 cal Hammer or 50 cal Texan will produce, so stop chasing it and shoot.
Back to AEA incase Bin is reading, I'd really like a Zeus that takes .510 ammo and has a nice big air supply on it. A regulator (Huma please) would be really cool too. I'll trade my Hammer for it ;D
Also want to see what tuners like Pitbull are going to make from the Bulldog 457, the air tube is already the same size and thread, so the Huma and high pressure tube are ready to go on. Though on that I really would like to see a bottle like Hammer and Gauntlet.
Nice on that bulldog. That is great power from it while being regulated. I’d be more than happy. I might just eventually get one of these challengers and a huma reg and just mess around with it. Be a fun thing to tinker with.
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As Wayne said, the Challenger "Pro" series guns are regulated and catered to bench rest shooters. So far I have only seen one regulated big bore, and nobody really likes it, the Umarex Hammer. All the other regulated guns I've seen are .30 and below.
The jury is still out on that one for me, the used rifle arrives Thursday or Friday. I was probably stupid for trying a THIRD rifle, but the Airforce just don't make me want to buy one. And the used Hammer was half the price of a used Texan LSS CF, and the owner of the Texan said he had to clean the lead out every 5 or 6 shots or accuracy was gone.
I did just regulate my Bulldog, since it is a third party kit it may not count, but ES of 9fps so far in my testing seems promising. Need to try lighter weight ammo and see if that ES remains. This was a Pitbull kit and I'm sitting at just over 200fpe for 10 shots with 155 grain ammo. Didn't want to open the ports up farther and I think this is a fair place to hold the Bulldog. It will never produce what the 50 cal Hammer or 50 cal Texan will produce, so stop chasing it and shoot.
Back to AEA incase Bin is reading, I'd really like a Zeus that takes .510 ammo and has a nice big air supply on it. A regulator (Huma please) would be really cool too. I'll trade my Hammer for it ;D
Also want to see what tuners like Pitbull are going to make from the Bulldog 457, the air tube is already the same size and thread, so the Huma and high pressure tube are ready to go on. Though on that I really would like to see a bottle like Hammer and Gauntlet.
I don't think the lead fouling issue was a fault of the rifle, and probably an ammo issue. Hard lead slugs meant for firearms would definitely foul up a barrel on an airgun pretty quickly.
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I'm with Wayne on cleaning air rifle barrels, seldom to never until I purchased my AEA TD. After 2k rounds the accuracy went away. I cleaned the barrel and 4 patches were coal black. After cleaning I checked again after another tin and patches were just as black but not as many. First time I ever used JB Bore on a barrel. Now it stays a lot cleaner. I also have noticed you have to season this barrel with about 20 shots after cleaning for to start shoot good again. Most of the 2k shots were AA 25.4 pellets. They still won't shoot well so I'm begining to wonder if this lot of pellets may be off some where. Anyway went to JSB and FX slugs and accuracy came back.
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Hmm... I don't ever clean a barrel unless accuracy changes and I've ruled out other causes.
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I'm trying not to cross-post here but I just wanted to share what's going on with my brand spankin new AEA HP Carbine semi-auto .22. I have been working so no play time this week but on Tuesday after work and before momma got home, I sat down with the HP and after gassing it up to 3k, I loaded the 4th magazine of CPHP's into it and took aim on my 10m indoor target, shot the whole magazine and then loaded the 5th, the first shot hit a little low and yes, I check the bolt position after loading magazines, it was fully into battery, then shot number 98...
A loud pop, the gun degassed itself out of the barrel end and out of the chamber.
Classic poppet issue I believe, I did not try to fix it but I did try to gas it up with the result of air coming out the TP and down the barrel.
98 shots and she's dead. Better sooner than later I supose? I hope to get a video call with Bin Tac at noon today, I took some time off of work to address this as I really like the platform but dislike fragile guns.
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I'm trying not to cross-post here but I just wanted to share what's going on with my brand spankin new AEA HP Carbine semi-auto .22. I have been working so no play time this week but on Tuesday after work and before momma got home, I sat down with the HP and after gassing it up to 3k, I loaded the 4th magazine of CPHP's into it and took aim on my 10m indoor target, shot the whole magazine and then loaded the 5th, the first shot hit a little low and yes, I check the bolt position after loading magazines, it was fully into battery, then shot number 98...
A loud pop, the gun degassed itself out of the barrel end and out of the chamber.
Classic poppet issue I believe, I did not try to fix it but I did try to gas it up with the result of air coming out the TP and down the barrel.
98 shots and she's dead. Better sooner than later I supose? I hope to get a video call with Bin Tac at noon today, I took some time off of work to address this as I really like the platform but dislike fragile guns.
Semi-auto guns in general seem finicky, based on what I've read, and airguns are kind of finicky to start with.
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Some more than others lol.
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Some more than others lol.
Aside from maybe a Marauder I haven't found a single air gun that just anyone could pick up, put a commonly available pellet in it, and hit a 4" circle every time. Even springer shave a specific pellet they like, a certain hold, etc. Even firearms have quirks, but nobody would find an M4 or AK-47 acceptable if it had springer or PCP quirks.
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Even the Benji's have their little quirks too lol.
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I'm trying not to cross-post here but I just wanted to share what's going on with my brand spankin new AEA HP Carbine semi-auto .22. I have been working so no play time this week but on Tuesday after work and before momma got home, I sat down with the HP and after gassing it up to 3k, I loaded the 4th magazine of CPHP's into it and took aim on my 10m indoor target, shot the whole magazine and then loaded the 5th, the first shot hit a little low and yes, I check the bolt position after loading magazines, it was fully into battery, then shot number 98...
A loud pop, the gun degassed itself out of the barrel end and out of the chamber.
Classic poppet issue I believe, I did not try to fix it but I did try to gas it up with the result of air coming out the TP and down the barrel.
98 shots and she's dead. Better sooner than later I supose? I hope to get a video call with Bin Tac at noon today, I took some time off of work to address this as I really like the platform but dislike fragile guns.
David I seen on youtube where the .22's were having problems with their guns and that's probably from the same batch that you got yours from. That makes me wonder if most of those problems that I watched on you tube were probably bad poppets. I bought my 25 cal early June last year so I figure if the poppet would be giving out any time soon would probably be unlikely. They must be doing something different with them .22 poppets ??? I figured they'd be about the same as what my 25 cal would be. Probably a bad batch of whatever it is they're using for their poppets.
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Both my DAR G3's shot like a dream out of the box, I have done no mods on them but I lubricated the trigger group because I like a lighter trigger. Good right out of the box.
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I decided to try out the Challenger Pro in .22 for long distance since it's touted as a "Powerhouse" for slugs. She sure is heavy but she has the goods to deliver the goods!
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I decided to try out the Challenger Pro in .22 for long distance since it's touted as a "Powerhouse" for slugs. She sure is heavy but she has the goods to deliver the goods!
Interesting choice. You will have to keep us updated.
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I decided to try out the Challenger Pro in .22 for long distance since it's touted as a "Powerhouse" for slugs. She sure is heavy but she has the goods to deliver the goods!
Nice choice!
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I decided to try out the Challenger Pro in .22 for long distance since it's touted as a "Powerhouse" for slugs. She sure is heavy but she has the goods to deliver the goods!
Nice choice!
It'll be great to hear how the .22 Challenger Pro preforms at 350 - 400 yrds. out. It has the power to handle heavier longer slugs
and I really itch to see what it would do with rebated boat tailed slugs. How much trouble would it be to put a different length and/ or twist rate barrel on that Challenger?
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Firewalker, on the AEA Carbine HP,
Try cocking the hammer, it may not have cycled at low pressure. Then try refilling again to 3400psi. You may have gone to low on the tank pressure and that caused the pressure dump, hopefully.
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Firewalker, on the AEA Carbine HP,
Try cocking the hammer, it may not have cycled at low pressure. Then try refilling again to 3400psi. You may have gone to low on the tank pressure and that caused the pressure dump, hopefully.
I run her between 3400-2400 PSI, the feed issues happen at all pressures.
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I got me a clip for my .22 today from the pellet shop. A couple weeks ago I had bumped the bolt open made a shot and it cracked the clear plastic, I did glue it back together
and it's been working since but I'm going to retire it for now, 2 good clips is all I need.
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I decided to try out the Challenger Pro in .22 for long distance since it's touted as a "Powerhouse" for slugs. She sure is heavy but she has the goods to deliver the goods!
Interesting choice. You will have to keep us updated.
One of economic necessity as well as the desire to shoot heavy slugs fast. I have two .22 molds that drop 55gr boolits, I will size them to .218" and see if they stabilize. If they do, I will try to reach out to 100 and then 200 yards.
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I got me a clip for my .22 today from the pellet shop. A couple weeks ago I had bumped the bolt open made a shot and it cracked the clear plastic, I did glue it back together
and it's been working since but I'm going to retire it for now, 2 good clips is all I need.
Clips are for Garand's and hair, Wayne! ;)
I got three magazines from the pellet shop too and I found that they are a different model, have some small difference to the eye but best of all, they have tighter springs and dont mangle as many pellets.
I still need to tune the timing on my Carbine but I am having a blast hitting leaves floating on the water!
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I decided to try out the Challenger Pro in .22 for long distance since it's touted as a "Powerhouse" for slugs. She sure is heavy but she has the goods to deliver the goods!
Nice choice!
It'll be great to hear how the .22 Challenger Pro preforms at 350 - 400 yrds. out. It has the power to handle heavier longer slugs
and I really itch to see what it would do with rebated boat tailed slugs. How much trouble would it be to put a different length and/ or twist rate barrel on that Challenger?
You and me both! ;)
I have a boat tail mold for .223 but it's a strange bullet, I may try it I may just stay with the 2 options I have and like. I have shot them out to 500 yards before but with a faster twist.
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Just got my Callenger Pro in .30! I robbed a red dot off of a powder burner, and hand pumped this beast up. And what a chore that was... Were talking full body weight on the pump. It too me two beers to get the job done. Took it out to my range/porch, and centered for the biggest gong. 1 inch low. And half an inch left! Talk about lucky! This thing is gonna be sick once my Arken comes in!
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Wayne, I did the same thing with my 30 cal challenger! Scared the heck out of me! My plate was in 3 pieces lol. It still works but I bought 2 new mags from Foxairpower.
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Back in the mid 70's a friend of mine was working in a mold shop, they were making a prototype mold for helicopter face shields and had some prototypes which my friend
acquired two of them for testing purpose's. We tested them with a 22lr and even the hot loads wouldn't go through. All it did was put a dent in them.
Bin Tac had a video on youtube about an improved clear piece that wouldn't break in such a case, whether or not you can buy the improved ones I don't know. It seems
like it was what they were going to start sending with the newer Challengers at that time. The color of them is even darker.
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I had one pop on me as well… didn’t feel great so close to my face even with eye protection. Quite a surprise!
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I don't even use the magazine. Since the rifle came with two, I keep one stored away in a cabinet and I used the other one for shooting until i got a SST from eBay. I also took the plastic cheek rest off and just rest my face right on the receiver since I am using a low profile sight. That makes it easier to single load slugs. After removing the cheek rest I had to adjust the barrel a bit to hold in the magazine. The magazine is cool, but I never need to rapid fire this thing.
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I got the barrel polished and even ran a patch with a dab of moly down the bore to fill the microscopic pours and slicken up the surface even more. Pushed another slug down the barrel and it sized .2175" so I know I'm on the right track.
Got the Pro all put back together and I will try the NSA's tomorrow.
Also, I hope to get the chrony on the gun and see what speeds I am getting with pellets. More later.... 8)
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David, how is the trigger on the Pro? I hope it's better than the Carbine. I thought about the Pro that was in the Classifieds a few days ago, but looked up the weight and it was a hard no for me with my back issues. Hope it does what you want? Interested in accuracy and velocities as well.
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David, how is the trigger on the Pro? I hope it's better than the Carbine. I thought about the Pro that was in the Classifieds a few days ago, but looked up the weight and it was a hard no for me with my back issues. Hope it does what you want? Interested in accuracy and velocities as well.
Ken, The Pro's trigger is much better but still needs some smoothing. It's a completely different setup with more of a standard bar, dog-bone, sear arrangement and should respond well to a polishing and lubrication.
In-between coats of paint, I got outside to run the Pro with CPHP's and hand cast 25gr slugs, changing only the power wheel from Minimum to Maximum for them respectively. The results were interesting and welcome. With the regulator set at 100 bar, I got the following speeds:
The twelve 14.3gr CPHP's on Min came in at 830fps and did so again and again with several identical readings on the chrony leaving me to wonder if it was broken? Nope, the Charger varies by about 10fps and it did again in testing it with the chrony so back to the CPHP's on Min and again, 829, 830, very consistent.
I loaded up a batch of freshly cast slugs that measure right at .218" and cranked the power wheel to Max and got... 930, 929, 928 fps for all 12 shots. I am very pleased with the speeds I got and they are right where I wanted them to be. ;D
I have not weighed the gun yet but it is very heavy! It's also very long but I was looking for a dedicated bench gun so this fits the bill well.
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David, how is the trigger on the Pro? I hope it's better than the Carbine. I thought about the Pro that was in the Classifieds a few days ago, but looked up the weight and it was a hard no for me with my back issues. Hope it does what you want? Interested in accuracy and velocities as well.
Ken, The Pro's trigger is much better but still needs some smoothing. It's a completely different setup with more of a standard bar, dog-bone, sear arrangement and should respond well to a polishing and lubrication.
In-between coats of paint, I got outside to run the Pro with CPHP's and hand cast 25gr slugs, changing only the power wheel from Minimum to Maximum for them respectively. The results were interesting and welcome. With the regulator set at 100 bar, I got the following speeds:
The twelve 14.3gr CPHP's on Min came in at 830fps and did so again and again with several identical readings on the chrony leaving me to wonder if it was broken? Nope, the Charger varies by about 10fps and it did again in testing it with the chrony so back to the CPHP's on Min and again, 829, 830, very consistent.
I loaded up a batch of freshly cast slugs that measure right at .218" and cranked the power wheel to Max and got... 930, 929, 928 fps for all 12 shots. I am very pleased with the speeds I got and they are right where I wanted them to be. ;D
I have not weighed the gun yet but it is very heavy! It's also very long but I was looking for a dedicated bench gun so this fits the bill well.
You will probably want those slugs moving a bit faster for really long range, like 950-1050 FPS, but that's not bad for just starting to tune it! The lightest NSA slugs that fit the bore on my 'Claw are 33.5 grain, so I'm right around 950 FPS, but a 31-ish grain slug would be ideal and get me up to 1000 FPS. Based on your numbers a 20 grain slug should make it above 950 FPS.
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I received the gun set at 100bar on the regulator so it has a LOT of room for power from here but the 830 for CPHP's was a real treat since they like the mid 800's in my guns.
Cold, clean bore at 30 yards, I got a 1/2" group with all 12 pellets. Once it fouled up, the group had shrunk down to heartbeat error distance which will go away once its on bags.
This is a .22 and the seller was very kind and sent me some NSA slugs, I will be shooting those once I tune the trigger and empty the bottle. The regulator is stupid easy to access, just unscrew the air tube and turn the reg.
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I received the gun set at 100bar on the regulator so it has a LOT of room for power from here but the 830 for CPHP's was a real treat since they like the mid 800's in my guns.
Cold, clean bore at 30 yards, I got a 1/2" group with all 12 pellets. Once it fouled up, the group had shrunk down to heartbeat error distance which will go away once its on bags.
This is a .22 and the seller was very kind and sent me some NSA slugs, I will be shooting those once I tune the trigger and empty the bottle. The regulator is stupid easy to access, just unscrew the air tube and turn the reg.
Oh, that's awesome, I didn't realize the reg had a lot of "headroom". I bet it's crazy efficient at 100b with those CPHP.
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I received the gun set at 100bar on the regulator so it has a LOT of room for power from here but the 830 for CPHP's was a real treat since they like the mid 800's in my guns.
Cold, clean bore at 30 yards, I got a 1/2" group with all 12 pellets. Once it fouled up, the group had shrunk down to heartbeat error distance which will go away once its on bags.
This is a .22 and the seller was very kind and sent me some NSA slugs, I will be shooting those once I tune the trigger and empty the bottle. The regulator is stupid easy to access, just unscrew the air tube and turn the reg.
Oh, that's awesome, I didn't realize the reg had a lot of "headroom". I bet it's crazy efficient at 100b with those CPHP.
Reading around the forums, I see that the reg can be set as high as 180 bar but I bet the reg will live a short life that high. 160 seems to be the common high setting I have seen.
I want the slugs to be under transonic speeds so 1000 or 1050 fps will be my top limit for the 25gr slugs. Once I get the boolits all figured out, I may get the reg up to 160 bar and see if I can get the 55gr boolits up to 900 fps or higher. If they key-hole, its game over for them.
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I'm going to give Bin a call at the Pellet Shop about a DonnyFL from my HP Max 457 tomorrow. It's really loud bigtime without one.
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I'm going to give Bin a call at the Pellet Shop about a DonnyFL from my HP Max 457 tomorrow. It's really loud bigtime without one.
DonnyFL sells an adapter that fits the shroud. I have an Emperor and 6" hollow extension on my .45 Challenger 'pup. The recoil is more like my low powered springer compared to how it was with just the shroud.
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No shroud on my HP Max 457
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLuC7KQ.png)
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No shroud on my HP Max 457
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLuC7KQ.png)
I keep forgetting that. The .45/50 Emperor will just screw right onto the barrel if it is threaded.
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I have been shooting the Challenger Pro in .22 for the past few days and I thought for sure that I had a bad barrel, or at least it hated CPHP's and JSB's. I decided to start cranking the power wheel up and see if the CPHP's that seem to love 850 fps in the rest of my .22's, will perform in the Pro.
6 MOA at Min, 5 MOA at the first heavy line, 4 MOA at the second heavy line (seeing the same thing I'm seeing?) I got all the way up to Max and I could SWEAR I was shooting a .22lr!. The groups started opening up again when I hit Max but no to bad. I left the power wheel just one heavy line below Max and I am not going supersonic but have to check with the chrony Thursday, we have rain tomorrow.
I have yet to figure out a solid support for the Pro but I do have the bipod (super nice!) and I will modify it a little to sit lower then use the but screw (sounds dirty to me) to adjust the height.
No NSA slugs through it yet, I want a full day to play and get this dialed in but it's looking good now!
Bottom line, it shoots CPHP's or it goes to the classifieds.... :P
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David, sorry to hear that accuracy is not where it should be. I guess you've checked the leade on the barrel and the crown? For some reason I was thinking this was the .22 Pro that was in the classifieds a couple of weeks ago? I thought about it but didn't want a bench gun, and too many back issues already. Good luck.
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David, sorry to hear that accuracy is not where it should be. I guess you've checked the leade on the barrel and the crown? For some reason I was thinking this was the .22 Pro that was in the classifieds a couple of weeks ago? I thought about it but didn't want a bench gun, and too many back issues already. Good luck.
Yes, it was that gun. In all fairness, I was told it shot NSA slugs very well and for that I bought the gun. I want a reliable 100 yard target gun that I could afford and this gun appealed to me. But, you all know that I unapologetically demand that a .22 must shoot CPHP's or its out the door. Once I establish it can shoot them, I will take my time and massage the gun with slugs until I have it wrung out to hit 100y consistently.
This beast is HEAVY!! It's JUST a bench gun, it cannot be held offhand to shoot game. BUT, the balance is great, the butt is good for shouldering but I will make a hook for it to keep it steady.
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I have been shooting the Challenger Pro in .22 for the past few days and I thought for sure that I had a bad barrel, or at least it hated CPHP's and JSB's. I decided to start cranking the power wheel up and see if the CPHP's that seem to love 850 fps in the rest of my .22's, will perform in the Pro.
6 MOA at Min, 5 MOA at the first heavy line, 4 MOA at the second heavy line (seeing the same thing I'm seeing?) I got all the way up to Max and I could SWEAR I was shooting a .22lr!. The groups started opening up again when I hit Max but no to bad. I left the power wheel just one heavy line below Max and I am not going supersonic but have to check with the chrony Thursday, we have rain tomorrow.
I have yet to figure out a solid support for the Pro but I do have the bipod (super nice!) and I will modify it a little to sit lower then use the but screw (sounds dirty to me) to adjust the height.
No NSA slugs through it yet, I want a full day to play and get this dialed in but it's looking good now!
Bottom line, it shoots CPHP's or it goes to the classifieds.... :P
What bipod are you using?
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"I unapologetically demand that a .22 must shoot CPHP's or its out the door"
Amen brother, amen....😉
As i say " i dont mind a pellet picky gun as long as it picks cphp"👍
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"I unapologetically demand that a .22 must shoot CPHP's or its out the door"
Amen brother, amen....😉
As i say " i dont mind a pellet picky gun as long as it picks cphp"👍
He converted me as well.
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Since I trap all of my CPHP's, they get a second, third even fourth life as well as slugs.
Once I have moved my 200 yard plate over to the 100 yard airgun range, I will trap all of my slugs as well.
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Since I trap all of my CPHP's, they get a second, third even fourth life as well as slugs.
Once I have moved my 200 yard plate over to the 100 yard airgun range, I will trap all of my slugs as well.
Cant blame ya,. Seems way things are that's a best policy ..
I was thinking all the bricks worth of pellets ive shot that would make a lot of 2ed+ chance projectiles...
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Since I trap all of my CPHP's, they get a second, third even fourth life as well as slugs.
Once I have moved my 200 yard plate over to the 100 yard airgun range, I will trap all of my slugs as well.
Cant blame ya,. Seems way things are that's a best policy ..
I was thinking all the bricks worth of pellets ive shot that would make a lot of 2ed+ chance projectiles...
Slugs have a lot of energy. Nice to hear that "slap" when they hit!
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Lol.. ya,. Reason i like to use pellet tins and snuff can lifs as bulls way out.
You hit paper you don't really hear much and not sure of a good hit. Put a lid painted black at 100 and no mistake of the slap on good hits vs just paper...lol. Then the hole has scraped paint to shiney metal no missing the hole placement at that distance.. cuts back on a lot of walking to.
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Deeco I save all my pellet tins for pellets/slugs that I cast, out there on the state land that I hunt there's plenty of stuff available to shoot if I want to,
one of my favorite things to do is gather up shotgun shells, line them up on a log and pick them off.
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Deeco I save all my pellet tins for pellets/slugs that I cast, out there on the state land that I hunt there's plenty of stuff available to shoot if I want to,
one of my favorite things to do is gather up shotgun shells, line them up on a log and pick them off.
Ill shoot anything that don't shoot back😉
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Deeco I save all my pellet tins for pellets/slugs that I cast, out there on the state land that I hunt there's plenty of stuff available to shoot if I want to,
one of my favorite things to do is gather up shotgun shells, line them up on a log and pick them off.
Ill shoot anything that don't shoot back😉
Hmmm .... if it shoots back I'll shoot it again. ;D
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If anybody is wondering the 2 oring sizes for the HP airtubes. The part that slides Into the frame. Danco #35 (11/16" o.d. x 9/16" I.D. x 1/16")
There's one other size that will work, idk one what it was. You won't find these In ANY oring assortment packs. Got mine from Lowes.
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I'm sorry that it's taken me so long to post my findings and a fix for the .22 Carbine jamming issues and bolt over-speed problem many of these guns experience.
Turns out that the jamming issues for me (retraction of the pellet after it has been skewered and pulled back in to the receiver) have been due to massive bolt-bounce off the back bumper then the front bumper, causing the magazine to be just slightly out alignment when the probe strikes the skirt of the last pellet.
Yes, in my gun, it's always the last pellet in the magazine.
The first thing I did was order three more magazines from Bin, not Bin Tac. They were the latest version and had MUCH tighter springs so I took the old ones apart and wound them up 1 more turn to match the new mags. This helped with the alignment and reduced jamming but not always. Back to the drawing board.
Then I started to play with the power-wheel, it did nothing to change my bouncing issues so I moved on to the piston. I moved it in and out with little change and moved it back to it's original position when I was done. No mas.
This left me scratching my head since I was out of adjustments built into the gun, time to move on to YouTube for some ideas. I found a mention of "someone" using spent .22lr casings in the gas porting holes in front of the piston and since I have piles of them from the helicon days of $.01 .22's, I tried adding just one shell to a hole and tried it. Then 2 shells and so on until I had 7 of the 8 holes filled with brass.
That did it! Cutting off all but one hole in the porting disk, 2 turns of rod sticking out the back of the piston and the power-wheel wide open at 12-O'clock did the trick. Video shows minimal forward bolt bounce but enough forward movement to lock up the bolt and enough delay to allow the magazine to cycle to the last pellet.
I may still have some issues with the original mags, they are not the same as the three I got from Bin, I will need to get new springs to get them to run properly all the time but this is s good start.
Bin Tac hasn't helped with the fix, he deflects ALL defects to the user and blames us for the issues so buyer beware that you may have to do a "video chat" (I DESPISE video chat more than a bloody root canal!) in order to get an issue resolved. Still a great gun, lots of fun and makes empty tins show up all over my work bench.... :o
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David , I like your idea of blocking some of the ports on the shroud / barrel block , I might try that on my .25 cal backpacker , I don't have a jamming issue but the semi-auto cycle seem way too violent, slowing it down would be a good thing in my opinion, I'm surprised yours functions with only one hole open , lots of mods for these guns , just like all the others I've owned.....
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David, glad you were finally able to "tame the beast". I finally tore mine all the way down, and when I re-assembled it I think I had a double feed on the first or second magazine I put through it. Not aware of any more since then. But I've probably only put 5-6 magazines through it. :o
How are the other magazines that you got from sb327 doing? Last I heard they were working well.
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I'm so glad that I bought the 25 cal carbine, I got four red squirrels today with it !!!
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I'm so glad that I bought the 25 cal carbine, I got four red squirrels today with it !!!
Wayne, Excellent stalking and shooting to bag 4 in the same day. It looks like your AEA .25 is going to be your go-to-gun.
What time was it and in what time frame did you get all four?
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I have a .25 carbine coming to replace the hp max which I have officially given up on. I was unable to make a max hold air for more than 200 rounds or so and had to return my second hp max due to multiple leaks. Let’s hope my experience with the .25 is a little better. I think the max really wasn’t built to hold up to the kind of energy it is putting out and seems like it was released in prototype form. The metal poppet and plastic valve seat seems to be a real issue as the ring-shaped valve seats do not hold up, among other things.
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I'm so glad that I bought the 25 cal carbine, I got four red squirrels today with it !!!
Wayne, Excellent stalking and shooting to bag 4 in the same day. It looks like your AEA .25 is going to be your go-to-gun.
What time was it and in what time frame did you get all four?
I was out there early this morning, the spot I went to there were quite a few of them, I got them all between 6:30 and 9:00. I'll be posting the hunting video in a couple hours.
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I have a .25 carbine coming to replace the hp max which I have officially given up on. I was unable to make a max hold air for more than 200 rounds or so and had to return my second hp max due to multiple leaks. Let’s hope my experience with the .25 is a little better. I think the max really wasn’t built to hold up to the kind of energy it is putting out and seems like it was released in prototype form. The metal poppet and plastic valve seat seems to be a real issue as the ring-shaped valve seats do not hold up, among other things.
I saw a video of that plastic valve seat. I was hoping it was peek and would last longer than the delrin poppets on the HP's. I made a peek poppet for my .25 HP after the delrin one broke. It's had less than a 100 rds through it. I had to re-machine the 45* face on it after it was pressed on off center line of the stem.
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Just a heads-up, I am looking for a HP in .25 if someone is unhappy with theirs.
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Just a heads-up, I am looking for a HP in .25 if someone is unhappy with theirs.
Good luck! Wayne, Jim, James, Dave, and I are all ;D with ours! ;D ;D ;D
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Saw a youtube video of a 45 semi auto AEA gun the other day. It looks real nice. Guy doing the video needs to stop making stupid comments about it being a home defense weapon. I actually thought about texting Bin and letting him know what this guy is saying on the video. I'm not usually too worried about big brother but under the current happenings...
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Saw a youtube video of a 45 semi auto AEA gun the other day. It looks real nice. Guy doing the video needs to stop making stupid comments about it being a home defense weapon. I actually thought about texting Bin and letting him know what this guy is saying on the video. I'm not usually too worried about big brother but under the current happenings...
I find any person talking about how they would defend their home from an intruder that is already inside of it totally hilarious. Even people with tons of training have a hard time using a gun indoors against another indoor assailant. Then when you start talking about using air guns it becomes extra ridiculous. I would rather use muzzle loader for "home defense" than an air gun!
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In case anybody is looking, I am replacing my Challenger Pro in .22 with a .25 and the .22 is in the classifieds. Tuned it and got the trigger to break at #2 with a 3mm pull. Smoothed it out nicely.
I got three 3/8" groups with the NOE .218 slugs in calm air yesterday morning, so she shoots.
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Saw a youtube video of a 45 semi auto AEA gun the other day. It looks real nice. Guy doing the video needs to stop making stupid comments about it being a home defense weapon. I actually thought about texting Bin and letting him know what this guy is saying on the video. I'm not usually too worried about big brother but under the current happenings...
I find any person talking about how they would defend their home from an intruder that is already inside of it totally hilarious. Even people with tons of training have a hard time using a gun indoors against another indoor assailant. Then when you start talking about using air guns it becomes extra ridiculous. I would rather use muzzle loader for "home defense" than an air gun!
Some folks just watch too much TV.
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In case anybody is looking, I am replacing my Challenger Pro in .22 with a .25 and the .22 is in the classifieds. Tuned it and got the trigger to break at #2 with a 3mm pull. Smoothed it out nicely.
I got three 3/8" groups with the NOE .218 slugs in calm air yesterday morning, so she shoots.
I always steered clear of the Pro series simply because of the weight, sure it would probably be great for shooting targets but taking it out in
these Michigan woods would be very cumbersome for the kind of hunting that I do. I personally am amazed at how well the carbine semi's actually
shoot and the accuracy for me is just fine for hunting.
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In case anybody is looking, I am replacing my Challenger Pro in .22 with a .25 and the .22 is in the classifieds. Tuned it and got the trigger to break at #2 with a 3mm pull. Smoothed it out nicely.
I got three 3/8" groups with the NOE .218 slugs in calm air yesterday morning, so she shoots.
I always steered clear of the Pro series simply because of the weight, sure it would probably be great for shooting targets but taking it out in
these Michigan woods would be very cumbersome for the kind of hunting that I do. I personally am amazed at how well the carbine semi's actually
shoot and the accuracy for me is just fine for hunting.
I got her for long range and POWER! Now I want the .25 but I only have room for 3 guns so she has to go.
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Hello I am looking for suggestions for projectiles for the .25 HP carbine. I have jsb regular and heavy, but am curious about what the upper limit is in terms of weight and how it handles things other than jsb diablos.
Also, if anyone can suggest a mold OTHER THAN the NOE pellet molds (which I would love to have but are always out of stock) I would appreciate that. The only .25 molds I have are the 48 grain MP mold and 50 grain bbt and I am thinking these are not going to be going fast enough.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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Hello I am looking for suggestions for projectiles for the .25 HP carbine. I have jsb regular and heavy, but am curious about what the upper limit is in terms of weight and how it handles things other than jsb diablos.
Also, if anyone can suggest a mold OTHER THAN the NOE pellet molds (which I would love to have but are always out of stock) I would appreciate that. The only .25 molds I have are the 48 grain MP mold and 50 grain bbt and I am thinking these are not going to be going fast enough.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
I thought they had made more of the .25 pellet molds. I managed to snag a "magnum" mold not that long ago and there were several available.
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I haven’t searched for 25 caliber molds in a while…
not much stock at the moment. I wonder how it would shoot the NOE 249-39-RF-E6 slugs - I see some of those in stock.
the .25 magazines are a hassle - they don’t load as easily as the .357 and the screws that hold the clear cover on do not hold their tightness - keeps loosening and tightening when loading. I know I will get it figured out but I keep launching them across the room when trying to load - I am just too clumsy with the smaller magazine.
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I haven’t searched for 25 caliber molds in a while…
not much stock at the moment. I wonder how it would shoot the NOE 249-39-RF-E6 slugs - I see some of those in stock.
the .25 magazines are a hassle - they don’t load as easily as the .357 and the screws that hold the clear cover on do not hold their tightness - keeps loosening and tightening when loading. I know I will get it figured out but I keep launching them across the room when trying to load - I am just too clumsy with the smaller magazine.
I think someone is working on improved 3d printed magazines for those semi-auto guns. I've also read that Firewalker is having good success with mags ordered from "the other Bin".
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The .357 mags I ordered from the pellet shop were indeed perfect with a snug lid, whereas the ones that came with the max (and now with the carbine) from Bin Tac have problems. Maybe the ones made at the time of manufacture and boxed with the guns were still in the prototype stage.
Guess I need to order some magazines from The Pellet Shop. $25 for those plastic pieces of junk though… sheesh.
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I saw that user Insanity is trying this mold https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/bullet-moulds/251/253-40-wc-bh6/6-253-40-wc-bh6-22-2-cavity-hb-120-50/ (https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/bullet-moulds/251/253-40-wc-bh6/6-253-40-wc-bh6-22-2-cavity-hb-120-50/). I'm hoping to buy some slugs from someone who has the mold to try out in my guns. Should be very usable in the 800-900 FPS speed range based on PB wadcutter velocity.
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Is .25 cal becoming the .20 cal of PCPs? The lightest slug molds are on the heaviest end of what the most powerful .25 PCP's commonly available is capable of sending at 900+ FPS. Who is using the heaver .25 cal molds? I'm browsing for a 100 FPE .25 cal PCP, but the AEA .25 Challenger seems to be the most powerful "off the shelf" PCP at 84 FPE. With the superior BC values of .25 caliber ammunition, I'm surprised there isn't more attention on this caliber.
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I saw that user Insanity is trying this mold https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/bullet-moulds/251/253-40-wc-bh6/6-253-40-wc-bh6-22-2-cavity-hb-120-50/ (https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/bullet-moulds/251/253-40-wc-bh6/6-253-40-wc-bh6-22-2-cavity-hb-120-50/). I'm hoping to buy some slugs from someone who has the mold to try out in my guns. Should be very usable in the 800-900 FPS speed range based on PB wadcutter velocity.
I’ve been eyeballing those all day as I have been browsing for (non-existent) .25 molds. So much easier looking for .357…
I love the idea of the deep hollow base or point but it is 100% bearing surface and the heavier weight on top of this has me wondering if this would work well in the carbine.
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I saw that user Insanity is trying this mold https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/bullet-moulds/251/253-40-wc-bh6/6-253-40-wc-bh6-22-2-cavity-hb-120-50/ (https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/bullet-moulds/251/253-40-wc-bh6/6-253-40-wc-bh6-22-2-cavity-hb-120-50/). I'm hoping to buy some slugs from someone who has the mold to try out in my guns. Should be very usable in the 800-900 FPS speed range based on PB wadcutter velocity.
I’ve been eyeballing those all day as I have been browsing for (non-existent) .25 molds. So much easier looking for .357…
I love the idea of the deep hollow base or point but it is 100% bearing surface and the heavier weight on top of this has me wondering if this would work well in the carbine.
I knurled and sized some slugs to get them up to size. It definitely reduced surface area compared to something that wasn't knurled. I'm going to try the same with my NSA slugs, which also have a huge bearing surface, and see how it affects efficiency. I also give all my projectiles a light coating of silicone oil, and a knurled slug holds more lube.
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Really been enjoying the .25 aea carbine. Semi auto is very reliable and the gun is quiet and fun to shoot of course. Like the talon P it feels a little underpowered for .25 caliber not because it has a problem with pellets but because the available molds in this caliber are 40 grain +.
A quick test with mp mold 48 grain boat tails (I had 6 laying around from the last time i cast) shows it can shoot them accurately at about 700 fps if I get tired of paying for diablos.
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Took a look at the Huma regulator for the 30 caliber challenger yesterday. If anyone has installed one into a 30 please speak up and let me know how it turned out and what type of power it still has and shot count please.
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Really been enjoying the .25 aea carbine. Semi auto is very reliable and the gun is quiet and fun to shoot of course. Like the talon P it feels a little underpowered for .25 caliber not because it has a problem with pellets but because the available molds in this caliber are 40 grain +.
A quick test with mp mold 48 grain boat tails (I had 6 laying around from the last time i cast) shows it can shoot them accurately at about 700 fps if I get tired of paying for diablos.
Marco I need to try those in mine, I've always shot my 34.5 grain Magnum Hunters from it with great success.
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Do you have some chrony strings for those hunters? I have got to get one of those molds.
When I say “accuracy was good” I mean my braced standing group in my garage was small, similar to jsb and not scattered all over like the h and n slugs (36 grain) I also tried.
My results may prove to be of little value when tested at 30 or 50 yards.
I know I shouldn’t go there but part of me wants to see if I can squeeze more power out of this with a little extra spring pre load or hammer weight. Maybe get the semi auto to cycle at 3600 psi or higher with a CF bottle and send the 48 grains a little faster.
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I did this probably after 200 shots through the gun. It will do 4 mags nicely from about 3400psi on down.
(https://i.imgur.com/SJBCzSc.jpg)
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Nice, thank you.
I have a question and I think i know the answer…
For the “carbine TD “with the carbon fiber bottle, I assume the only purpose of the carbon fiber is to make it lighter not to shoot at higher pressure correct?
What would be nice would be a carbine with a carbon fiber bottle that could actually use the higher pressure air for a little more power. Obviously this would involve a stiffer spring or heavier hammer. I was thinking maybe the carbine TD actually was using that pressure air but I think not since the specs are the same as for the lower pressure bottle.
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Nice, thank you.
I have a question and I think i know the answer…
For the “carbine TD “with the carbon fiber bottle, I assume the only purpose of the carbon fiber is to make it lighter not to shoot at higher pressure correct?
What would be nice would be a carbine with a carbon fiber bottle that could actually use the higher pressure air for a little more power. Obviously this would involve a stiffer spring or heavier hammer. I was thinking maybe the carbine TD actually was using that pressure air but I think not since the specs are the same as for the lower pressure bottle.
The tanks can take 4500psi, the gun is rated for 3400.
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The carbine TD can be filled to 4500 psi, according to the advertised specs, but semi auto won’t work above 3500.
Does the TD have a special valve or other change to access the higher pressure air or is it valve locked above 3500 psi like the regular carbine?
Again the advertisements make it sound like you can shoot up to 4500 psi but you just won’t have semi auto function.
Air capacity: 450cc
Air cylinder: carbon fiber
Max safe filling pressure : 4500PSI
Semi-auto working pressure: 2100-3500PSI
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The TD CF bottle will hold more volume at a higher pressure. It will not function in semi-auto above 3400-3500#. It was originally called a Backpacker, then Assassin, now it is called a TD. They didn't think the name Assassin was Politically Correct for an airgun, given the anti-gun sentiment. That's the story I heard from ThePelletShop.
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The carbine TD can be filled to 4500 psi, according to the advertised specs, but semi auto won’t work above 3500.
Does the TD have a special valve or other change to access the higher pressure air or is it valve locked above 3500 psi like the regular carbine?
Again the advertisements make it sound like you can shoot up to 4500 psi but you just won’t have semi auto function.
Air capacity: 450cc
Air cylinder: carbon fiber
Max safe filling pressure : 4500PSI
Semi-auto working pressure: 2100-3500PSI
Yes, it essentially valve locked until it gets down to the operating pressure window. That’s not to say it won’t shoot, just that it won’t cycle and velocity will be low.
I think you have it figured out.
Dave
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My carbine works just fine and I’m not going to do anything stupid today but eventually it would be interesting to see what would happen with a stiffer spring and one of the cf bottles at higher pressure.
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I've thought about getting the CF bottle for mine too but that's it, I just thought about it and doubt that I will. Now that mine has been broken in for quite
some time now it will cycle at 3800psi fill, I use nothing but pure lead so chambering a commercial pellet in them (harder than pure lead) probably won't
cycle well. Pure lead is the only way to go in my opinion, especially if you cast you're own cast stuff. Every time that I've use recycled lead from pellets
I have ended up dumping the pot because of it. The pellets and slugs will come out over sized with the commercial lead that's used in all the commercial
stuff because of the Antimony in them.
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I happened across a carbon fiber Hatsan bottle for cheap and the swap saved me around #2. I still fill to 3400psi so no attempt to power it up has been made for me to make further comment. 🙃
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I haven't tried to fill mine past 3800. I have issues with low power/not cycling at this pressure. Mine works flawless for 30 shots at a fill of 3500. Above that the rifle becomes unreliable. I think the exhaust valve may stick at higher pressure. I am going to fabricate another valve of peek.
My tank is rated to 450 bar. As far as filling to 4500 I would install a bottle regulator prior to filling to those pressures. I do not know what the burst disc is rated for but you are probably getting close at the 4500 psi level.
I have been shooting 26 - 30 grain slugs through mine with good results. So far the winners are 26 gr FX Hybrid and 26.8 gr NSA cupped based HP's. NSA's 26.8 gives me 30 shots at an average of 883 fps with a SD of 12ft/s I purchased a pellet mold 250-27-RF but haven't tried it yet. I may not with the slugs shooting as well as they do. I think the gun is underpowered for the heavier slugs. A 22 cal. would probably work better for heavy projectiles.
Jim
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I’m not claiming one way or another, BUT, you really need to take into consideration the gun’s pressure rating. I’m not sure what that number is with these guns. I know early on (before the higher pressure bottles were an option) pressures indicated on the guns were ~3600 (I think). This being the case, I would not go beyond that unless I was regged with a burst disc on low side.
Point being, I don’t think the gun is rated to 4500.
Dave
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Don't disagree Dave. I talked to Bin at the Pellet Shop about the 4500 psi and he said do not do it. The reason though was because the gun would not operate above 3600 psi. Anyway with the 30 shots I get I'm happy. It has plenty of power and accuracy at present levels with what I am shooting. I am comfortable shooting out to 100 yards with this rifle.
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I am surprised at the price difference between the standard and the TD if the only difference is a few pounds of weight. The price of small CF bottles seems crazy
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I am surprised at the price difference between the standard and the TD if the only difference is a few pounds of weight. The price of small CF bottles seems crazy
I bought my HP Carbine used. It had been upgraded with a DonnyFl, and the CF bottle. My CF bottle is .5L vs .35L Al bottle, so I easily get 4 mags (but have not shot it over a chrony at that many shots). The bottle claims .46Kg and the original bottle weighs in at 1#13.5oz. So less than a pound difference. Shot count would be the main advantage. I've tried filling to about 3600PSI and it will not cycle properly till below 3500PSI on the gauge. I had a poppet failure last month and made a new one out of PEEK. I have not tried filling to 3600PSI since. IMO if you are going to fill to 3500PSI and above you are going to experience more poppet failures. Seems like the nature of the beast from post I've seen here and on the FB pages.
I also agree that it is underpowered for slugs. I would like to shoot 30 grain slugs in the 900+FPS. I have not looked to see if there are mods to do to get into that range.
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Here are 20 shots from the .25 carbine for whatever it is worth. This is shooting jsb 25 grain. After the hp max big bore cliff tune, the nice shot curve is a treat.
This gun is a little less powerful than some
of the others I’ve seen chronied.
With jsb 33 grain I am getting at most 47 foot pounds, i see other carbines up at 52 for this weight.
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Since the above shot string seemed a little under spec, i threaded in a short section (1.5”) of a softer spring with the same dimensions as the stock spring to add a little more energy to the hammer.
I didn’t have any power washers on hand but those could be used to achieve a similar result. I am now shooting 25 grain jsb up at around 915 ft./s which is more in line with what I’ve seen others post. Not that I plan to shoot them that fast… but I have many tins of jsb heavies and they should be in the 800’s with this little extra spring. If I end up with more tins of the 25 grains I will remove the extra spring because 880’s are ideal for Diablo I have read
Obviously if the poppet / valve pin breaks due to the extra preload i would not expect warranty to cover this so it is at my own risk.
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Recently got a new gauntlet 2 .30. ..after working on that for a couple days it made my AEA HP max feel like a $2000 ag. Decided to break my AEA buying spree and was dissatisfied. But will work it out though.
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My choice was between the Challenger and the Eagle Claw in .22. I chose the Eagle Claw, the lever action is cool and finish is good. What's not is the short stock, OK is your 4' tall, not so if your 6'2".
My other gripe is when I hand pumped from 100 to just under 200 bar the pressure release valve on the hand pump also released the rifles air reservoir. That should not happen.
Wondering if I made the right choice.
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My choice was between the Challenger and the Eagle Claw in .22. I chose the Eagle Claw, the lever action is cool and finish is good. What's not is the short stock, OK is your 4' tall, not so if your 6'2".
My other gripe is when I hand pumped from 100 to just under 200 bar the pressure release valve on the hand pump also released the rifles air reservoir. That should not happen.
Wondering if I made the right choice.
I'm only 5'10" and find my Eagle Claw LOP to be fine, but it's a heavy rifle. I did not have the same experience using a hand pump, but I haven't used one with the 'Claw in over a year now. It's been my most reliable air gun in terms of leaking as well. Maybe it's worth calling PA and asking them.
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... Wondering if I made the right choice.
For years I've wondered how the air gun industry (in general) managed to get away with sky high prices and lousy after sales support. And it doesn't seem to matter if you bought a $200 or $2,000 air gun, so many dealers, distributors and manufacturers offer no help when you have a problem.
I'll say this for Bin Yan at The Pellet Shop, he answered my texts and came through when I had issues with my AEA rifles. The only thing that keep me from buying another one (for now at least) is what happens after the warranty is over? The valve pins on almost all the AEA rifles are a known weak link and prone to failure. Will AEA maintain stock on older models a year from now? Two years from now? Who knows?
But otherwise, and as others have said, they are well made (although each model has some quirk that sometimes can be overcome with a minor modification).
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... Wondering if I made the right choice.
For years I've wondered how the air gun industry (in general) managed to get away with sky high prices and lousy after sales support. And it doesn't seem to matter if you bought a $200 or $2,000 air gun, so many dealers, distributors and manufacturers offer no help when you have a problem.
I'll say this for Bin Yan at The Pellet Shop, he answered my texts and came through when I had issues with my AEA rifles. The only thing that keep me from buying another one (for now at least) is what happens after the warranty is over? The valve pins on almost all the AEA rifles are a known weak link and prone to failure. Will AEA maintain stock on older models a year from now? Two years from now? Who knows?
But otherwise, and as others have said, they are well made (although each model has some quirk that sometimes can be overcome with a minor modification).
The poppets? EZPZ, just make a new one from peek.
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My choice was between the Challenger and the Eagle Claw in .22. I chose the Eagle Claw, the lever action is cool and finish is good. What's not is the short stock, OK is your 4' tall, not so if your 6'2".
My other gripe is when I hand pumped from 100 to just under 200 bar the pressure release valve on the hand pump also released the rifles air reservoir. That should not happen.
Wondering if I made the right choice.
I'm only 5'10" and find my Eagle Claw LOP to be fine, but it's a heavy rifle. I did not have the same experience using a hand pump, but I haven't used one with the 'Claw in over a year now. It's been my most reliable air gun in terms of leaking as well. Maybe it's worth calling PA and asking them.
That's reassuring. Pyramid Air says that the problem is that I did not release the air from the pump fast enough. I will see what happens next time.
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... Wondering if I made the right choice.
For years I've wondered how the air gun industry (in general) managed to get away with sky high prices and lousy after sales support. And it doesn't seem to matter if you bought a $200 or $2,000 air gun, so many dealers, distributors and manufacturers offer no help when you have a problem.
I'll say this for Bin Yan at The Pellet Shop, he answered my texts and came through when I had issues with my AEA rifles. The only thing that keep me from buying another one (for now at least) is what happens after the warranty is over? The valve pins on almost all the AEA rifles are a known weak link and prone to failure. Will AEA maintain stock on older models a year from now? Two years from now? Who knows?
But otherwise, and as others have said, they are well made (although each model has some quirk that sometimes can be overcome with a minor modification).
The poppets? EZPZ, just make a new one from peek.
I like the sound of that! What equipment is needed to do this?
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I don't think your eagle claw was a mistake. About the same power in that caliber as the challenger but with lever action and better power tuner. I miss mine for sure. Mine EC came packed with grease, slowing the hammer down so much only got 40 fpe. 80 after I cleaned it out in .25. the stocks are weak so try not to drop it. Also had the same issue with it releasing the air. I believe I held it upside down when draining the pumps hose and giving it a few light taps on the ground helped. Still awesome gun though. There's a diagram online that shows thers a degassing screw but its just another screw that holds the valve in. I blew my valve into the wall at full pressure. But Maybe I wasn't supposed to take all of them out idk :o
Yea my gauntlet came leaking in 3 different areas and it ruined my whole first day.
I'm just saying AEA gets some hate from ppl about the quality but to me they are super solid guns. Everyone I've had and I've had almost all of them. I don't see AEA going anywhere anytime soon, hopefully aftermatket parts pop up like they did for the gauntlet. That's one thing I do like about the new gauntlet. Part availability and modifications.
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The poppets? EZPZ, just make a new one from peek.
I've thought about buying a metal working lathe, there's so many things I could use it for (cutting barrels, re-crowning, etc. etc.) not to mention fabricating replacement parts like a poppet (what AEA calls a "valve pin"). But until that time comes that I have one I'll stick to rifles with some after sales support.
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Always wanted a lathe.
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Ahhhh… easy BUT you need to have a lathe. That’s a big but.
I like my aea but I worry about the poppets.
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They're only like $25 just buy a couple extra. Never had one fail on me but I don't shoot as much is I'd like. Also I don't think you NEED lathe to make a valve stem and poppet. I'm almost 50% you could make one with a drill. You wouldn't be making the the stem part just the end. I've resurfaced a leaky poppet with a drill before.
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That’s good to hear. So far the 25 carbine has not had a single issue and I have two spare valve pins on hand if it ever does. You hear about these things with a new gun like this you don’t know if it’s an inevitability or just something that’s a fluke thing on a few guns.
By the way may I suggest getting poppets and other parts from the pellet shop. They are generous with information, ship fast, and don’t charge as much for parts or shipping as some of the other places I checked. You all probably already know that but it is worth mentioning.
I now have a Rex p .357 to make use of the mold and rounds I bought for the Max. Another loud gun but not quite as loud.
I kind of miss the magazine but the under lever action, weight /balance of the Rex p is a treat.
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Marco I have the 25 carbine and simply don't have any problems with it at all, I did buy a spare poppet for it only because I've heard others having poppet problems. I've never had to replace any poppets
on any of my AEA airguns, The only thing that I have replaced on my carbine is an o ring in the barrel which was in reality my fault because I put some winged skirted pellets through it that sliced it.
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My choice was between the Challenger and the Eagle Claw in .22. I chose the Eagle Claw, the lever action is cool and finish is good. What's not is the short stock, OK is your 4' tall, not so if your 6'2".
My other gripe is when I hand pumped from 100 to just under 200 bar the pressure release valve on the hand pump also released the rifles air reservoir. That should not happen.
Wondering if I made the right choice.
I'm only 5'10" and find my Eagle Claw LOP to be fine, but it's a heavy rifle. I did not have the same experience using a hand pump, but I haven't used one with the 'Claw in over a year now. It's been my most reliable air gun in terms of leaking as well. Maybe it's worth calling PA and asking them.
That's reassuring. Pyramid Air says that the problem is that I did not release the air from the pump fast enough. I will see what happens next time.
I always try to release the bleed screw as quickly as possible. I do know Will P. (RIP) used to offer an upgraded check valve when he rebuilt/tuned these guns. It was always my plan to send him my gun, but I waited too long.
Every once in a while I fill past the 190b, which is where I get max accuracy for the first shot, and I slowly open the bleed screw on my fill station or hand pump to let out a bit of extra air. I'm not totally surprised, especially on a hand pump, that you could dump the whole cylinder by mistake.
I don't think your eagle claw was a mistake. About the same power in that caliber as the challenger but with lever action and better power tuner. I miss mine for sure. Mine EC came packed with grease, slowing the hammer down so much only got 40 fpe. 80 after I cleaned it out in .25. the stocks are weak so try not to drop it. Also had the same issue with it releasing the air. I believe I held it upside down when draining the pumps hose and giving it a few light taps on the ground helped. Still awesome gun though. There's a diagram online that shows thers a degassing screw but its just another screw that holds the valve in. I blew my valve into the wall at full pressure. But Maybe I wasn't supposed to take all of them out idk :o
Yea my gauntlet came leaking in 3 different areas and it ruined my whole first day.
I'm just saying AEA gets some hate from ppl about the quality but to me they are super solid guns. Everyone I've had and I've had almost all of them. I don't see AEA going anywhere anytime soon, hopefully aftermatket parts pop up like they did for the gauntlet. That's one thing I do like about the new gauntlet. Part availability and modifications.
Where did you find the diagram? I've been passively searching or a parts list and diagram since I bought the rifle. I even asked PA/AV customer service about getting something and they refused. They only want customers to send the rifles back for service, owner service seems to be frowned upon.
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That’s good to hear. So far the 25 carbine has not had a single issue and I have two spare valve pins on hand if it ever does. You hear about these things with a new gun like this you don’t know if it’s an inevitability or just something that’s a fluke thing on a few guns.
By the way may I suggest getting poppets and other parts from the pellet shop. They are generous with information, ship fast, and don’t charge as much for parts or shipping as some of the other places I checked. You all probably already know that but it is worth mentioning.
I now have a Rex p .357 to make use of the mold and rounds I bought for the Max. Another loud gun but not quite as loud.
I kind of miss the magazine but the under lever action, weight /balance of the Rex p is a treat.
Magazines are kind of a novelty to me in a big bore. They usually only hold enough onboard air to give you two or three full power shots. Dropping a slug into the single shot tray on my .457 is not much slower than using the magazine, and I'm rarely in a hurry to fire a successive shot. The AEA magazines also aren't that great, and at least in my .457 mags the spring is way strong.
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Fart'n around at the state land this morning, I'll do another one soon with the same gun at the pressure I left it today.
https://vimeo.com/729814466
I started at a higher pressure than what's ideal for this gun.
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Looks good. What pressure did you start at more or less?
On an unrelated note:
The 47-50 fpe my Carbine puts out is more powerful than I give credit for I think. Shot a scrap of 2x6 and it went straight through and into the putty trap behind it. Granted it was pine and a pretty clear section of plank but I didn’t expect a Diablo pellet out of this gun to do that.
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Here's the diagram for the eagle claw I believe I used. Looking at it now I definitely confused (7-1) "exhaust valve screw" to mean degassing screw Wich could have been a deadly mistake. Luckily I was holding it sideways. Had to use vice grips to get it out and when it went off I couldn't hear for about ten minutes. It was my second airgun and a very rookie mistake, but I learned to respect the power they have. Patience! And to always be safe and empty the air before you tinker with them. I couldn't post the link but if you Google seneca eagle claw and then click image search it will pop up.
50 fpe is nothing to sneeze at, I wouldn't want to get hit with it. I had a .30 hp carbine up to 70 fpe reliably, so power can be increased. But that can be a massive headache aswell. Would like to own one again.a .357 Terminator would be my next one 4 sure. Also want another .357 challenger and one in 25. Sold my .357 right B4 the regs came out
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Looks good. What pressure did you start at more or less?
On an unrelated note:
The 47-50 fpe my Carbine puts out is more powerful than I give credit for I think. Shot a scrap of 2x6 and it went straight through and into the putty trap behind it. Granted it was pine and a pretty clear section of plank but I didn’t expect a Diablo pellet out of this gun to do that.
I started at about 3500psi, right now it's down to about 3300psi, I can get 40 shots from it starting at 3500psi so I've still got another 3 clips worth of shooting I can do with it before a refill.
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Wayne - Which AEA HP did you get?
Seems to be quite a few models?
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Matt I've got the HP 25 cal carbine, back when I bought it they said it was a 12" barrel but the new ones claim 13" but Bin at the pellet shop told me they were both the same length barrel, I got a larger male red squirrel with it this morning. I also did a 5 shot group on a target with it today too after I got the red squirrel. It's not bad for 40 yards but I have a hard time not shooting fast with it when shooting at a target, they're just sooo darned much fun. I probably won't get my Challenger .22 back out til squirrel season because right now them longer range shots are a heck of a lot harder than they will be during squirrels season.
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Wayne - That's the one I was just looking at in .25 cal. but noticed the barrel length is 14".
There is only 3 FPE between the .25 and the .22. Given the short spread between the .22 and .25
is it worth going to the .25? Can that 3 fpe be made up by shooting a heavier slug/pellet?
Good chatting with you again Wayne.
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Here's what I'm getting with mine, it's plenty of power in case of a ground hog or something like that.
(https://i.imgur.com/SJBCzSc.jpg)
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Here's the diagram for the eagle claw I believe I used. Looking at it now I definitely confused (7-1) "exhaust valve screw" to mean degassing screw Wich could have been a deadly mistake. Luckily I was holding it sideways. Had to use vice grips to get it out and when it went off I couldn't hear for about ten minutes. It was my second airgun and a very rookie mistake, but I learned to respect the power they have. Patience! And to always be safe and empty the air before you tinker with them. I couldn't post the link but if you Google seneca eagle claw and then click image search it will pop up.
50 fpe is nothing to sneeze at, I wouldn't want to get hit with it. I had a .30 hp carbine up to 70 fpe reliably, so power can be increased. But that can be a massive headache aswell. Would like to own one again.a .357 Terminator would be my next one 4 sure. Also want another .357 challenger and one in 25. Sold my .357 right B4 the regs came out
Thanks, I was able to find a full quality version since you included the URL in the picture.
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Dang - your .25 Hp carbine is shooting more consistently and powerfully than mine by a fair amount. Not that it matters practically but I can’t get more than 48 fpe with 35 grain projectiles and no where near that consistency. Amazing shot string no wonder you are happy!
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50 +- FPE is plenty to take out a groundhog especially if it's headshot or vitals.
I've been able to take out raccoons with my .22 caliber Marauder with headshots. Goes for squirrels too.
But I have noticed that .22 caliber in the vitals they will run off less than 50 yards and drop.
I can't always go find them because they went on property that is off-limits.
So that's why I was thinking .25 caliber might take care of that in vitals?
Unsure about going .25 because all I shoot is .22 pellets and slugs. Have to get into a whole new
inventory going with .25.
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50 +- FPE is plenty to take out a groundhog especially if it's headshot or vitals.
I've been able to take out raccoons with my .22 caliber Marauder with headshots. Goes for squirrels too.
But I have noticed that .22 caliber in the vitals they will run off less than 50 yards and drop.
I can't always go find them because they went on property that is off-limits.
So that's why I was thinking .25 caliber might take care of that in vitals?
Unsure about going .25 because all I shoot is .22 pellets and slugs. Have to get into a whole new
inventory going with .25.
.25 cal ammo is getting close to bulk .22lr ammo pricing, so it can be a hard sell if you aren't casting your own.
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Dang - your .25 Hp carbine is shooting more consistently and powerfully than mine by a fair amount. Not that it matters practically but I can’t get more than 48 fpe with 35 grain projectiles and no where near that consistency. Amazing shot string no wonder you are happy!
I honestly think that the deep skirt with a long pellet that I'm shooting has a lot to do with it too, plus the fact that pure lead will seal that skirt better than an alloy pellet. The AEA's wide open like I run mine really do pack a punch. My 26 grain Hunters would probably shoot really good out of the gun but I'd have to turn the power down. One thing about pure lead though is they do corrode fast not being alloyed so I never cast more than 2 big tins of them each time that I cast.
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.25 cal ammo is getting close to bulk .22lr ammo pricing, so it can be a hard sell if you aren't casting your own.
I wait until either Amazon or Field Supply have sales. You can pick up tins of 200 for $8.49-$9.99.
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Sorry, all if I'm opening a half-now dead thread again, but I just picked up a Carbine in 25, that I need to get some rounds through to see if the groups settle down, and I haven't had a chance to Chrony it or the HP Max SS 30 yet either. I picked up an extra 30 carbine length shroud when I go the 25 carbine for the HP Max SS and it did wonders for backyard friendliness.
A couple of quick questions now that I have read through all 45-ish pages. I saw mention of single shot trays and would love to pick up a 25 and 30 cal version or at least the 3D print files so I can roll my own. I remember I believe it was Mr. P who used the stock holder to make a semi-power adjuster, need to find that page/s again as I might need to turn the 30 up a bit before the NSA slugs get here.
Well, so far I very much like both of mine, so tinkering will come soon enough, any word on aftermarket or home tuning bits and pieces? I have my own lathe, so I'm up to make just about anything. Seriously considering getting a 257 barrel and turning it to fit in the 30 SS so I can swap it in for serious long-range haven't decided.
Thanks all,
Casey
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Sorry, all if I'm opening a half-now dead thread again, but I just picked up a Carbine in 25, that I need to get some rounds through to see if the groups settle down, and I haven't had a chance to Chrony it or the HP Max SS 30 yet either. I picked up an extra 30 carbine length shroud when I go the 25 carbine for the HP Max SS and it did wonders for backyard friendliness.
A couple of quick questions now that I have read through all 45-ish pages. I saw mention of single shot trays and would love to pick up a 25 and 30 cal version or at least the 3D print files so I can roll my own. I remember I believe it was Mr. P who used the stock holder to make a semi-power adjuster, need to find that page/s again as I might need to turn the 30 up a bit before the NSA slugs get here.
Well, so far I very much like both of mine, so tinkering will come soon enough, any word on aftermarket or home tuning bits and pieces? I have my own lathe, so I'm up to make just about anything. Seriously considering getting a 257 barrel and turning it to fit in the 30 SS so I can swap it in for serious long-range haven't decided.
Thanks all,
Casey
Casey, I would suggest getting some PEEK and making a couple of spare poppets. Sooner or later you are going to need them.
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Sorry, all if I'm opening a half-now dead thread again, but I just picked up a Carbine in 25, that I need to get some rounds through to see if the groups settle down, and I haven't had a chance to Chrony it or the HP Max SS 30 yet either. I picked up an extra 30 carbine length shroud when I go the 25 carbine for the HP Max SS and it did wonders for backyard friendliness.
A couple of quick questions now that I have read through all 45-ish pages. I saw mention of single shot trays and would love to pick up a 25 and 30 cal version or at least the 3D print files so I can roll my own. I remember I believe it was Mr. P who used the stock holder to make a semi-power adjuster, need to find that page/s again as I might need to turn the 30 up a bit before the NSA slugs get here.
Well, so far I very much like both of mine, so tinkering will come soon enough, any word on aftermarket or home tuning bits and pieces? I have my own lathe, so I'm up to make just about anything. Seriously considering getting a 257 barrel and turning it to fit in the 30 SS so I can swap it in for serious long-range haven't decided.
Thanks all,
Casey
A .257 sounds fun! I hope you make it work. I've been wanting AEA to make one based on the "Big 9" .357 Challenger, but the Max SS might work pretty well.
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Ummm… not all of my ideas were equally good. Caveat emptor.
I would say for power boosting use the power washers that other people came up with my ideas were not as good.
I did manage to mostly eliminate the hammer bounce on the .357 by clipping the main spring and stiffening it with a second spring threaded through the first.
I returned the max in exchange for a lower cal (.25 carbine) but I rarely shoot that gun and haven’t really felt a need to mess with it as it shoots fine out of the box.
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I love my 25 cal carbine, it loves the heavy pellets at lot that I shoot out of it. I'll be toting it with me in the woods in the morning for red squirrels and a possible ground hog if I see any.
I shoot 34.5 grain Magnum Hunters with it and have used them since I've owned it. In my opinion it's more than reasonably accurate for a semi auto carbine, the gun is loads of fun to
shoot besides that. I've actually shot two squirrels with five seconds from each other with the gun before.
(https://i.imgur.com/SJBCzSc.jpg)
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.25 cal ammo is getting close to bulk .22lr ammo pricing, so it can be a hard sell if you aren't casting your own.
JSB Match Diabolo Exact King .25 Cal, 25.39 Grains, Domed, 350ct currently run $0.063 / Rd at $22.00 a tin. These are my go-to pellet for .25 and even though I do cast my hunting ammo, plinking now is dependent on paying six and a half cents per shot or spending my scarce free time to hand cast.
Bulk .22lr is now right at that same price point at several of the rural farm supply stores throughout Minnesota and Iowa. The next few months will be interesting as the .22lr prices are likely to drop even further.
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.25 cal ammo is getting close to bulk .22lr ammo pricing, so it can be a hard sell if you aren't casting your own.
JSB Match Diabolo Exact King .25 Cal, 25.39 Grains, Domed, 350ct currently run $0.063 / Rd at $22.00 a tin. These are my go-to pellet for .25 and even though I do cast my hunting ammo, plinking now is dependent on paying six and a half cents per shot or spending my scarce free time to hand cast.
Bulk .22lr is now right at that same price point at several of the rural farm supply stores throughout Minnesota and Iowa. The next few months will be interesting as the .22lr prices are likely to drop even further.
I saw .22lr at a local rural walmart for $0.09 if I did my math right. That's NSA slug money, but pellets are generally cheaper. My Eagle Claw only likes 30+ NSA grain slugs or pellets sent fairly slow. My .25 cal Bandit tops out around 20 FPE, so needs lighter pellets like FTTs that are $0.033 per shot before shipping from PA, but that mold you sent me is quick and easy. Honestly I am mostly shooting my AEA Challenger because slugs are easy to cast and it makes 2 MOA groups without trying too hard. It's a bit slow using my 1.6l bottle, but satisfying to hear the steel sing. I went to a reloading class recently and now all I can think about is PB's.
My .22 Stormrider will always see the most use since it can shoot CPHP and is really reliable. I was ringing a 6" steel at 50m using the really crappy iron sights for 12/12 shots kneeling, plus that 1.6l bottle lasts seemingly forever with that gun.
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Thanks for the pointers everyone, so where do I find a couple of single shot trays, one for the 25 carbine, and another for the 30 cal Max? I'll pull the barrel after I mic it and order a 257 blank maybe two since I have a Talondor with a bad boy valve in it, and some custom hammers that were made by a guy in Europe, part brass, the rest Delrin. They are slick as can be an almost no slap when they strike the breech. Anyway back to the AEA's, the best place to pick up a small quantity of Peek to make some popets, might even treat my custom still haven't settled on a caliber Disco to a new poppet too so I can get even more out of it.
Casey
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I ordered a piece of 1/2" by 12" on EBAY for around $12 IIRC. I can't find it in my EBAY history.
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Thanks, Ken let me know if you find that seller, store, or link. That would be more than enough to fill my needs for at least the next 6 maybe even 12 months.
Casey
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No regrets with this one. My 3rd AEA.
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No regrets with this one. My 3rd AEA.
Is the Terminator your fav over the other 2 AEAs'?
Like many of us I am torn as to which one to get.
To add to the 'kid in the candy store' dilemma is when I compare it to other similar PCPs'.
Hence the 'FOMAD' leads to no choice being made.
After all, this has to be my last PCP :D
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No regrets with this one. My 3rd AEA.
Is the Terminator your fav over the other 2 AEAs'?
Like many of us I am torn as to which one to get.
To add to the 'kid in the candy store' dilemma is when I compare it to other similar PCPs'.
Hence the 'FOMAD' leads to no choice being made.
After all, this has to be my last PCP :D
I owned a 1st gen Challenger SL 357 and an HP SS 30+
The HP SS 30+ I sold to help fund the Terminator purchase. It was a solid gun but I wanted the big boy version.
The Challenger 357 was great, but I sold it to help fund an Umarex Guantlet 30. More suitable for 75 yard targets in the back yard. I don't hunt larger game, I just shoot targets and pest. The stiff hunting trigger on the Challenger, plus the fact that it was loud, meant I didn't shoot it very much.
If you're looking for something like an "air 10/22LR" I think you'll be quite pleased with the Terminator in 30. The build quality is impressive.
If you don't care about semi auto and want better accuracy, I'd go with a Challenger Pro.
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I have been eyeballing the hpss 35 or 45. And would love to try out the zues w16 inch barrel. I have the std 30 cal challenger and really like it. I haven't done anything to it and it's deadly accurate at 50 yards. I have also shot it out to 80 yards when I first got it and it was decent. My last PCP rifle was 5 rifles ago lol so good luck on the last one.
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Chris I'm more than happy with the AEA457Max that I bought, I've only shot it a half dozen times so far but sighting it in at 30 yards was a breeze but I'll be going over to my brothers with it for a better sighting in because out there I wouldn't draw attention when shooting it, I do want to get it shooting dead on at 30 yards because in the SW Michigan woods that's usually about as far as a person needs to shoot to get a deer during season. Last year on opening day I head shot a squirrel with my .357 Challenger at about 40 yards, all the AEA's that I own are dandy hunting guns for sure. That .457 Max IS LOUD however it's very light and shooting the BBT's with it would probably be equal to shooting a .410 slug which is very popular for deer hunting here in Michigan. The main reason I never pulled the trigger on a Challenger pro is because it would be more than less ideal for hunting, way too heavy and cumbersome to carry. 8)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLuC7KQ.png)
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Thanks for the pointers everyone, so where do I find a couple of single shot trays, one for the 25 carbine, and another for the 30 cal Max? I'll pull the barrel after I mic it and order a 257 blank maybe two since I have a Talondor with a bad boy valve in it, and some custom hammers that were made by a guy in Europe, part brass, the rest Delrin. They are slick as can be an almost no slap when they strike the breech. Anyway back to the AEA's, the best place to pick up a small quantity of Peek to make some popets, might even treat my custom still haven't settled on a caliber Disco to a new poppet too so I can get even more out of it.
Casey
I ordered my peek rod from MSC Industrial Supply on ebay.
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Chris I'm more than happy with the AEA457Max that I bought, I've only shot it a half dozen times so far but sighting it in at 30 yards was a breeze but I'll be going over to my brothers with it for a better sighting in because out there I wouldn't draw attention when shooting it, I do want to get it shooting dead on at 30 yards because in the SW Michigan woods that's usually about as far as a person needs to shoot to get a deer during season. Last year on opening day I head shot a squirrel with my .357 Challenger at about 40 yards, all the AEA's that I own are dandy hunting guns for sure. That .457 Max IS LOUD however it's very light and shooting the BBT's with it would probably be equal to shooting a .410 slug which is very popular for deer hunting here in Michigan. The main reason I never pulled the trigger on a Challenger pro is because it would be more than less ideal for hunting, way too heavy and cumbersome to carry. 8)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLuC7KQ.png)
What kind of muzzle velocity are you getting with the BBTs? I think when cast with the big HP pins they aren't as accurate as the FN, but the velocity is a bit higher with the HP slugs. If this gun had been on the market when I ordered the .457 Challenger, I would have the HP Max instead.
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Max owners - see if you can order some replacement valve seats and valve pins from the pellet shop or for a bit more $ bin tac.
With the max (.357 in my case) the valve seat is essentially a consumable item that will need to be replaced every 200-300 shots. This is what I was told by an AEA vendor and matches my own experience. I don’t know if this is always the case or not but it can’t hurt to get a couple to keep on hand for when they fail. The gun is so easy to work on that it is a quick repair as long as the part is on-hand, and it doesn’t have to cause a month long headache if you are prepared.
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I honestly think a 3800psi fill will be fine with my 457 HP Max, I've never ran the gun over a chrony but when I did shoot a target on a dead tree with it, it buried way into it, plenty of power to kill a deer.
I tried digging out a slug for about 20 minutes but gave up on it. Maybe I'll bring my chrony with me when I go to my brothers for getting the gun sighted in better. Heck even today I only did two shots
with my .22 Challenger for two red squirrels while I was out there. I've never heard a lot about people having to replace poppets in them yet, I'll probably order a spare just in case mine does die on me.
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LOVE, LOVE, LOVE my AEA guns!
I finally broke the 1 MOA goal I had with the Challenger Pro in .22 using NSA .2175" 27gr slugs on Monday so now I am going to look at the Element in .25 so if you have one, hit me up!
The HP Carbine in .22 has become an extension of me when I'm outside. Starlings are daily fodder and chipmunks won't even come in from the woods to munch the black oil sunflower seeds any longer. Superb truck gun!
The 9mm Challenger makes 300fpe and is the perfect fox gun (dont eat my chickens and Ill leave you be) at 100 yards, 2MOA for a good heart/lung shot.
I think I am going to sell off my other guns though, the AEA guns just do it all for me... ;)
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I ended up getting the Varmint in .25 but the barrel was pitted and rusty. :P
RMA from Tarvis at UA, gotta send it back. :-[
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I ended up getting the Varmint in .25 but the barrel was pitted and rusty. :P
RMA from Tarvis at UA, gotta send it back. :-[
Sorry to hear that. Did the barrel look like it had been cleaned by a "previous owner", then possibly rusted? I'm assuming it was the inside of the barrel. Hopefully they didn't ship you a gun with a barrel rusted on the exterior. Back to my post the other day about never seeing AEA refurbs for sale.
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I ended up getting the Varmint in .25 but the barrel was pitted and rusty. :P
RMA from Tarvis at UA, gotta send it back. :-[
Sorry to hear that. Did the barrel look like it had been cleaned by a "previous owner", then possibly rusted? I'm assuming it was the inside of the barrel. Hopefully they didn't ship you a gun with a barrel rusted on the exterior. Back to my post the other day about never seeing AEA refurbs for sale.
All interior rust and pitting. I pulled a patch and it was rusty so I pulled a few more to see if it would go away but many patches later, there was still red.
I pulled the barrel and you can see the pitting all along the left side where the bottom of the barrel was when on the boat from jyna.
Pushed a few slugs thru and the barrel was tight/loose/tight/loose/tight. Slug came out .250" but the breach will take a .254" without resistance.