A.E.A. the gun of the moment ?

[Spacebus]

I think a side effect of my Mrod mag cover swap was thet the .177 Mrod mag is thicker than the OE  AEA clear cover, so it is a snug fit now.
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I posted another thread asking for help/advice to try & solve the magazine shifting problem.
I wonder- is there a vendor who sells Mrod mag components? It would be a simple thing to swap out the clear mag covers. I gotta say, I’m not a fan of the AEA mag design in general. I’m sure once you get used to it, they’re easy to load- but the whole wind the spring with the cover, load a pellet backwards from the front, then flip it & load the rest takes some getting used to. I’ve been spoiled by my Daystate & Artemis mags.

My Bandit/PP800 and my Stormrider/PR900 have the same style magazines. Isn't Artemis just an in house brand for SPA?

[Back_Roads]

You can also adjust the barrel to help hold the magazine more securely.

IIR the barrel can be adjusted to get more friction on the mag, at first I thought I would have to adjust that to get my repaired mag to fit, but careful wiggling got it to snap in and repeated attempts were easier.

[customcutter]

I'm pretty sure that Snow Peak, SPA, Artemis, and KAM are all the same manufacturer.  Yes, I have a KAM P12 that is identical to the SPA P12.  Well it was, until I made it a multi-shot instead of a single shot.

[Back_Roads]

 I wonder if this CARM mag would work, or if it would not be long before someone sends them AEA mags to improve upon.
https://www.carm-magazines.com/carm-magazine-for-jsar-raptor-air-rifle.aspx

[DrGunner]

You can also adjust the barrel to help hold the magazine more securely.

How would that be accomplished?

From what I’ve learned in another thread I posted on this, it’s likely the spring in the mag is wound too tight. I’d certainly rather mess with spring tension in a replaceable magazine than degas and tear down the whole gun to remedy this...?

[Wayne52]

Kevin you never know maybe the mag they're sending you might be a little better than what you've got.  I noticed on my semi auto mags for my 25 cal that one of the mags is really hard to turn whereas the other one is very easy, they both do work equally as good but I do prefer not to wrestle with a mag to load it.

[Spacebus]

You can also adjust the barrel to help hold the magazine more securely.

How would that be accomplished?

From what I’ve learned in another thread I posted on this, it’s likely the spring in the mag is wound too tight. I’d certainly rather mess with spring tension in a replaceable magazine than degas and tear down the whole gun to remedy this...?

No need to degas. Do you have a shrouded barrel? If so remove the shroud. The barrel is held into the receiver by a large nut, 22mm (I think), and you just loosen this and back it off a turn or so. In addition to that nut the barrel is also threaded, you can turn the barrel until you get the desired friction against the magazine. After you get the correct tension, tighten the nut, replace the shroud, and you are done. The barrel is ported all the way around in the breech area, so there is no need for special alignment.

[DrGunner]

Kevin you never know maybe the mag they're sending you might be a little better than what you've got.  I noticed on my semi auto mags for my 25 cal that one of the mags is really hard to turn whereas the other one is very easy, they both do work equally as good but I do prefer not to wrestle with a mag to load it.

Wayne- I have 2 mags that came from Bin Tac with the rifle, plus 2 more that I ordered from PAS. I they are both a good fit but designed differently, and all four have the shifting problem. I have no other magazines inbound, I just texted Bin about it this morning and he hasn’t replied yet. I posted a thread about this, here’s a link and pictures of all four magazines and the breach opening/detent ball.

Thread:

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195621.0

Pics:

[DrGunner]

Thanks for the advice. I’m headed down to my man cave in a little while to tinker with the magazines and see where I can get by playing with spring tension, but if I get nowhere I will take your advice and adjust the barrel stub to protrude slightly more into the breach opening.

DrGunner

You can also adjust the barrel to help hold the magazine more securely.

How would that be accomplished?

From what I’ve learned in another thread I posted on this, it’s likely the spring in the mag is wound too tight. I’d certainly rather mess with spring tension in a replaceable magazine than degas and tear down the whole gun to remedy this...?

No need to degas. Do you have a shrouded barrel? If so remove the shroud. The barrel is held into the receiver by a large nut, 22mm (I think), and you just loosen this and back it off a turn or so. In addition to that nut the barrel is also threaded, you can turn the barrel until you get the desired friction against the magazine. After you get the correct tension, tighten the nut, replace the shroud, and you are done. The barrel is ported all the way around in the breech area, so there is no need for special alignment.

[sicumj]

     I had problems with mags and it was due to broken springs.  Bin told me that they were having trouble with some mag springs breaking and sent me some replacements.  While waiting I cut, and rewound the broken springs.   The mags are considerably tighter than the originals and now work fine.  Point is I doubt spring tension is causing your issue. 

    Have you tried working the bolt with an empty magazine in it?  I wonder if something is askew in the bolt or the magazine that is causing it to bind, then jump out.

Jim

[DrGunner]

     I had problems with mags and it was due to broken springs.  Bin told me that they were having trouble with some mag springs breaking and sent me some replacements.  While waiting I cut, and rewound the broken springs.   The mags are considerably tighter than the originals and now work fine.  Point is I doubt spring tension is causing your issue. 

    Have you tried working the bolt with an empty magazine in it?  I wonder if something is askew in the bolt or the magazine that is causing it to bind, then jump out.

Jim

Hey Old friend- I’m assuming I know you from RFC? Yes, I’ve run empty mags with the same problem. It seems to occur more forcefully with a full or fully wound mag, during the first 8 shots. (12 shot mags). Bin responded to my query and said that adjusting the depth of the barrel stub SHOULD fix the problem, so I’m going to do that today. I’ll report back here and in the help thread I posted when I’m done & have findings to report.

Thanks, to all, for the help & advice.

DrGunner

[DrGunner]

You can also adjust the barrel to help hold the magazine more securely.

How would that be accomplished?

From what I’ve learned in another thread I posted on this, it’s likely the spring in the mag is wound too tight. I’d certainly rather mess with spring tension in a replaceable magazine than degas and tear down the whole gun to remedy this...?

No need to degas. Do you have a shrouded barrel? If so remove the shroud. The barrel is held into the receiver by a large nut, 22mm (I think), and you just loosen this and back it off a turn or so. In addition to that nut the barrel is also threaded, you can turn the barrel until you get the desired friction against the magazine. After you get the correct tension, tighten the nut, replace the shroud, and you are done. The barrel is ported all the way around in the breech area, so there is no need for special alignment.

Bin Tac from AEA got back to me and suggested exactly the same fix- so your advice was quite probably spot on. I’ll be going down to my man cave in a little while and removing the shroud, threading the barrel in a bit deeper & testing it.
As I said above, I’ll report back here and in the help thread I posted when I’m done & have findings to report.

Your sage advice & the responses by others are MUCH appreciated.

MANNY- my sincere apologies for the thread hijack, that was NOT my intent. I did start a separate thread of my own for folks to respond to this problem, and I’d ask that everyone start using that thread for replies so that Manny’s thread can get back on track.

Here’s a link to my thread:


https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195621.0


Respectfully,


 DrGunner

[Nomadic Pirate]

No, no Kevin don't even begin to worry about that,....threads are supposed to take little tangents, get back in line, take more tangents, it's the nature of discourse we are just talking here and as you talk things pop in your mind and say them, it makes me laugh a bit when people get upset if the thread don't stay exactly in a straight line

[Spacebus]

You can also adjust the barrel to help hold the magazine more securely.

How would that be accomplished?

From what I’ve learned in another thread I posted on this, it’s likely the spring in the mag is wound too tight. I’d certainly rather mess with spring tension in a replaceable magazine than degas and tear down the whole gun to remedy this...?

No need to degas. Do you have a shrouded barrel? If so remove the shroud. The barrel is held into the receiver by a large nut, 22mm (I think), and you just loosen this and back it off a turn or so. In addition to that nut the barrel is also threaded, you can turn the barrel until you get the desired friction against the magazine. After you get the correct tension, tighten the nut, replace the shroud, and you are done. The barrel is ported all the way around in the breech area, so there is no need for special alignment.

Bin Tac from AEA got back to me and suggested exactly the same fix- so your advice was quite probably spot on. I’ll be going down to my man cave in a little while and removing the shroud, threading the barrel in a bit deeper & testing it.
As I said above, I’ll report back here and in the help thread I posted when I’m done & have findings to report.

Your sage advice & the responses by others are MUCH appreciated.

MANNY- my sincere apologies for the thread hijack, that was NOT my intent. I did start a separate thread of my own for folks to respond to this problem, and I’d ask that everyone start using that thread for replies so that Manny’s thread can get back on track.

Here’s a link to my thread:


https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195621.0


Respectfully,


 DrGunner

It won't take much in the way of adjustment. I took my barrel out to push a slug through the bore for measurement purposes, and it took me a bit to find the "sweet spot" for the fit between magazine and barrel. I'm hoping the 3d printed single shot tray I ordered for my .45 works well, but the weather hasn't been decent enough to find out.

[DrGunner]

No, no Kevin don't even begin to worry about that,....threads are supposed to take little tangents, get back in line, take more tangents, it's the nature of discourse we are just talking here and as you talk things pop in your mind and say them, it makes me laugh a bit when people get upset if the thread don't stay exactly in a straight line

Thanks for that, Manny- given your knowledge and reputation here, just wanted to make sure I didn’t overstep. I’ve been a moderator covering 14 subforums for 10 years over at Rimfirecentral.com, and it never ceases to amaze me how grown men can get their panties in a bunch because of thread drift, which has always befuddled me, because sometimes thread drift brings out information that you would never learn otherwise. I appreciate your forbearance & response. I love GTA, it’s run very much like RFC with no profanity, no insulting, no trolling, and no discussion of hot button topic’s that have nothing to do with the hobby. It keeps people from engaging in the toxicity that is so prevalent on many shooting sites. Y’all made me feel welcome here from the get go and I have learned so much from random people here who genuinely care to take their time and explain things, post pictures, DM advice, all without demeaning me for being a noob. I’ve met many people here that I would love to share a beer and a ribeye with, LOL.

You can also adjust the barrel to help hold the magazine more securely.

How would that be accomplished?

From what I’ve learned in another thread I posted on this, it’s likely the spring in the mag is wound too tight. I’d certainly rather mess with spring tension in a replaceable magazine than degas and tear down the whole gun to remedy this...?

No need to degas. Do you have a shrouded barrel? If so remove the shroud. The barrel is held into the receiver by a large nut, 22mm (I think), and you just loosen this and back it off a turn or so. In addition to that nut the barrel is also threaded, you can turn the barrel until you get the desired friction against the magazine. After you get the correct tension, tighten the nut, replace the shroud, and you are done. The barrel is ported all the way around in the breech area, so there is no need for special alignment.

Bin Tac from AEA got back to me and suggested exactly the same fix- so your advice was quite probably spot on. I’ll be going down to my man cave in a little while and removing the shroud, threading the barrel in a bit deeper & testing it.
As I said above, I’ll report back here and in the help thread I posted when I’m done & have findings to report.

Your sage advice & the responses by others are MUCH appreciated.

MANNY- my sincere apologies for the thread hijack, that was NOT my intent. I did start a separate thread of my own for folks to respond to this problem, and I’d ask that everyone start using that thread for replies so that Manny’s thread can get back on track.

Here’s a link to my thread:


https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195621.0


Respectfully,


 DrGunner

It won't take much in the way of adjustment. I took my barrel out to push a slug through the bore for measurement purposes, and it took me a bit to find the "sweet spot" for the fit between magazine and barrel. I'm hoping the 3d printed single shot tray I ordered for my .45 works well, but the weather hasn't been decent enough to find out.

Spacebus- I’ve already had it apart, adjusted the barrel stub depth, and tested all 4 magazines and they’re working flawlessly with the tighter fit.
Unfortunately, the four magazines I have did not all fit the same. The two that I got from Bin Tac with the rifle are a bit of a looser fit than the two that I got from PAS.
     No problem, I adjusted the barrel stub so that the loose ones  are a snug fit and cycle properly without shifting. I then had to gently hand file down the breech pocket on the other two mags to get them to fit just as snug without shifting. So I now have 4 fully functional mags that work flawlessly... but the base design of them is still a prime example of engineers suffering from rectocranial intussusception.

In the end, kind of a simple fix, really.



 I have a friend working on a single shot tray that he’s 3-D printing for my Challenger, the way he’s making it you could probably take one of my prototypes and simply file/mill the slot wider and deeper to fit your larger caliber. I designed mine with a “ V” to “U” slot that will allow me to simply drop the pellet or slug in from either side of the “V”, and it will roll down into the “U”. My wooden prototype worked great, so I sent it off to my buddy to 3D print some testers for fine tuning.
     I will post a separate thread when I have finished working through the kinks to get mine done right, then I plan to have a bunch of extras made and send them to members here for free.

Thanks, again, to all-

DrGunner

[Nomadic Pirate]

I just find it fascinating what A.E.A. is doing, the selection, the speed at which they improve things, the speed at which they throw out new models, the very good prices, the power they squeeze out of their guns,

Love following the constant breakneck speed at which they move

[DrGunner]

Yeah- my take is, its REALLY nice to be in the opposite position with respect to power when tuning a new gun. Almost everything that is usually done is to squeeze more power out of these PCPs, so to have one that comes out of the gate hotter than I would ever need it with a simple valve to dial that power down, then buy it under $400 to me is priceless. I did some more at shooting for accuracy yesterday and had one string where I stacked 10 slugs into a pretty tight hole at 40 yards in the snow.
This one seems to like heavier slugs- which is perfect because it’s for pest control.

I just find it fascinating what A.E.A. is doing, the selection, the speed at which they improve things, the speed at which they throw out new models, the very good prices, the power they squeeze out of their guns,

Love following the constant breakneck speed at which they move

[Spacebus]

The only downside I see in going with an AEA gun over AV, Umarex, etc. is they are usually a bit heavier than the competition. At least that is the case for the Challenger line. My .45 Bullpup is a HOSS and I plan on using it in a blind rather than stalking. At some point I'd like to get one of the lighter weight AEA guns, like the HP Max .357 that is putting out 150+ FPE, for a hunting gun that is easier to carry through the woods.

[Greg_E]

I just find it fascinating what A.E.A. is doing, the selection, the speed at which they improve things, the speed at which they throw out new models, the very good prices, the power they squeeze out of their guns,

Love following the constant breakneck speed at which they move

If only some other companies iterated this quickly, AEA will make changes in the middle of production runs, especially when someone points out an issue and a solution. I mentioned this on one of Bin Tak's videos recently, they should be commended for really trying hard, and they are trying hard indeed. For whatever reason, the AEA stuff is still just not right for me... But a bunch of people I know are buying many different models and really happy all around. I can't put a finger on why I'm not on board, has nothing to do with the place of origin. China has been producing good airguns for decades, every country has the ability to produce garbage, and a lot of us have or had those garbage guns for the USA, Turkey, etc.

[cosmic]

 Well the .457 magazine is cnc machined from aluminum.. No problem with adjusting the barrel to it + a note paper..  I stoned all touching surfaces on the trigger linkage and sear, bottom, and sides..  Pins  and frame pin holes, but also the track they ride.. All burnished with tungsten disulfide  ..If the wheeler spring type trigger gauge is correct around 3.5 lbs.. I wish the weather would cooperate....