A.E.A. the gun of the moment ?

[Mr.P]

I know there is a ban on discussing internals.  Mentioning a Tesla valve is not describing anything in enough detail to cross that threshold I believe


As far as the safety of owning a Donny FL hope that the existence of Donny FL kind of makes things pretty clear as far as air legality of air gun moderators go.  they screw onto the end of any threaded barrel which I guess is where the sticking point is .

What I’m talking about here are lightweight 3-D thermoplastic baffles built into a shroud, not able to be screwed on to the end of any barrel, and nothing remotely capable of silencing anything other than an airgun. 

I believe those built-in shroud baffles  are something we might be able to discuss here because they are not detachable silencers that can be threaded onto the end of a bartel. That’s up to the owner and I can go along with whatever they want of course.


As far as the HP Max goes, I don’t think there’s any room in the shroud at all - I think it’s about the same length as the barrel.  So one option (maybe) would be to use a shroud from one of the different AEA airguns if the diameter and threading is the same. Then add baffles (of a secret design I will not discuss here) in whatever space there is. 

[Nomadic Pirate]

Yeah, looking forward to see how you like the gun, there's a thread on AirgunNation right now and isn't to flattering.

[Mr.P]

What can you expect?  It’s a cheap Chinese gun. Mind you I don’t have anything against Chinese airguns, I just know that this company is really spitting them out so what are the odds they’re gonna be perfect?


I tend to disregard the hype on the positive end and the panic on the negative end and that usually ends up giving me an accurate picture of the thing. The question is where are the honest reviews, if there are any?

I searched and cannot find that thread at AGN, can you send me a link?

[Nomadic Pirate]

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/aea-hp-4500-max-357-released-too-early-be-aware-of-safety-liability-issues/?view=all#post-1182081

[Mr.P]

And it is indeed sucked into the troutdale vortex of inaccurate and constantly changing delivery messages.  Truly a crapshoot as to when it gets released from there.  sat around all day so I could be there for the adult signature required. 

[Spacebus]

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/aea-hp-4500-max-357-released-too-early-be-aware-of-safety-liability-issues/?view=all#post-1182081

Wow, the initial post is pretty dramatic.

[kkarmical]

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/aea-hp-4500-max-357-released-too-early-be-aware-of-safety-liability-issues/?view=all#post-1182081

This individual has made the same posting on FB now for a few days.
If the gun was as 1/2 as bad as they are claiming it is, instead of wasting day after day with posts all over the internet, wouldn't it make more sense to just return the gun?

I asked the individual that 5 days ago when they first posted up the problems, but no reply, just more posts.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Yeah I also don't pay much attention to single post I prefer to put together a collective and see after that.

Jeez if you would have to make a judgment on FX by single posts you would think it's a junk gun because I tell you even on AirgunNation where it's frowned upon there's been a ton of problem FX posts.

[DrGunner]

On a shooting forum site I moderate, we TRY to draw a line between legitimate complaints and downright vendor bashing. We always support legitimate posts about bad experiences and customer service. Members are always encouraged to seek a resolution with the vendor first, and keep their posts factual and on point.
Too often I’ve seen folks buy one gun from a given manufacturer, and get a lemon- then go on to rant in every thread they find that the manufacturers products are ALL pure junk, yada, yada. It gets especially tricky when it’s a site sponsor involved. It can be frustrating to see; sometimes threads about one bad example of an otherwise good design/product can sway people’s opinions and dissuade them from trying an entire brand based on one persons incessant rants.

[Mr.P]

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/aea-hp-4500-max-357-released-too-early-be-aware-of-safety-liability-issues/?view=all#post-1182081

This individual has made the same posting on FB now for a few days.
If the gun was as 1/2 as bad as they are claiming it is, instead of wasting day after day with posts all over the internet, wouldn't it make more sense to just return the gun?

I asked the individual that 5 days ago when they first posted up the problems, but no reply, just more posts.

Yes I’d come across this post and YouTube video a while ago and I guess the guy had a problem at very low temperatures as well with some plastic on his magazine shattering in freezing temps, but that’s not going to be an issue for me.

I’d like to open it up and get a look at the quality control on the inside I will probably enjoy it as is for a while unless there’s some reason to get into it.

[sicumj]

     I saw the post on AGN a few days ago.  People should be cautious making statements of unsafe product.  I found the claims sensationalized including the title.  Exploding magazines was over the top.  Room for improvement sure, dangerous, not hardly. 

     I like my AEA Backpacker.  I have 1500 rounds through it now and it functions flawless.  I had springs break in two magazines.  Vender immediately replaced the mags and sent me extra springs.

[Wayne52]

I've shot the heck out of all my AEA airguns, all still work just fine. They never have leaked at all, the mags are all intact and they seem to be very reliable.  I have two favorites, the Challenger LS in .22 and the HP Carbine semi in .25.

[Spacebus]

On a shooting forum site I moderate, we TRY to draw a line between legitimate complaints and downright vendor bashing. We always support legitimate posts about bad experiences and customer service. Members are always encouraged to seek a resolution with the vendor first, and keep their posts factual and on point.
Too often I’ve seen folks buy one gun from a given manufacturer, and get a lemon- then go on to rant in every thread they find that the manufacturers products are ALL pure junk, yada, yada. It gets especially tricky when it’s a site sponsor involved. It can be frustrating to see; sometimes threads about one bad example of an otherwise good design/product can sway people’s opinions and dissuade them from trying an entire brand based on one persons incessant rants.

At least most air guns are under $3,000 on the top end, usually less than $1,000. Car forums are so much worse for this kind of bashing because cars are so much more expensive. People feel very strongly when they feel like they have made a significant investment. There was a guy on the wood stove forum I frequent who made a similar post about his new wood stove and then disappeared. Based on the post the fault was mostly on him, but he never came back.

[customcutter]

I've seen several post of some models of AEA guns giving a "puff of air".  I've also seen a video of a guy who reviews PCP's and AEA guns FORGETTING to close the bolt on a BIG BORE.  Not once but twice in the same video.     It blows the sealing o-ring out of the breach/barrel.   I ain't saying that's  the cause every time, but you have to wonder.

 

[Spacebus]

I've seen several post of some models of AEA guns giving a "puff of air".  I've also seen a video of a guy who reviews PCP's and AEA guns FORGETTING to close the bolt on a BIG BORE.  Not once but twice in the same video.     It blows the sealing o-ring out of the breach/barrel.   I ain't saying that's  the cause every time, but you have to wonder.

It seems that when you see particularly bad reviews for a product usually the operator is the problem, not the product. Of course there are always lemons out there.

[Wayne52]

I've seen several post of some models of AEA guns giving a "puff of air".  I've also seen a video of a guy who reviews PCP's and AEA guns FORGETTING to close the bolt on a BIG BORE.  Not once but twice in the same video.     It blows the sealing o-ring out of the breach/barrel.   I ain't saying that's  the cause every time, but you have to wonder.

 

I seen that video you're talking about, it's unusual for a person to fess up to something like that which made the video that much better IMO cause I have yet to shoot my big bore AEA's without the bolt in place, my mags and breech o rings are all still in good shape, I did have to replace a breech o ring on my 25 cal semi auto and it was my fault for casting with a known bad mold that gave wings on the pellets that chewed the o ring up. The reason that I even used that mold was because it was aluminum and light compared the brass mold that I also have. 

[Spacebus]

I've seen several post of some models of AEA guns giving a "puff of air".  I've also seen a video of a guy who reviews PCP's and AEA guns FORGETTING to close the bolt on a BIG BORE.  Not once but twice in the same video.     It blows the sealing o-ring out of the breach/barrel.   I ain't saying that's  the cause every time, but you have to wonder.

 

I seen that video you're talking about, it's unusual for a person to fess up to something like that which made the video that much better IMO cause I have yet to shoot my big bore AEA's without the bolt in place, my mags and breech o rings are all still in good shape, I did have to replace a breech o ring on my 25 cal semi auto and it was my fault for casting with a known bad mold that gave wings on the pellets that chewed the o ring up. The reason that I even used that mold was because it was aluminum and light compared the brass mold that I also have.

My .22 Hunter mold will drop winged pellets if it gets too hot, that's how I can tell it's time to take a break.

[Wayne52]

I've seen several post of some models of AEA guns giving a "puff of air".  I've also seen a video of a guy who reviews PCP's and AEA guns FORGETTING to close the bolt on a BIG BORE.  Not once but twice in the same video.     It blows the sealing o-ring out of the breach/barrel.   I ain't saying that's  the cause every time, but you have to wonder.

 

I seen that video you're talking about, it's unusual for a person to fess up to something like that which made the video that much better IMO cause I have yet to shoot my big bore AEA's without the bolt in place, my mags and breech o rings are all still in good shape, I did have to replace a breech o ring on my 25 cal semi auto and it was my fault for casting with a known bad mold that gave wings on the pellets that chewed the o ring up. The reason that I even used that mold was because it was aluminum and light compared the brass mold that I also have.

My .22 Hunter mold will drop winged pellets if it gets too hot, that's how I can tell it's time to take a break.

That's another mold I need to get back out, I'm starting to get low on them, that mold is a really good one too, they seem to cast really well and drop well also.

[Greg_E]

I seen that video you're talking about, it's unusual for a person to fess up to something like that which made the video that much better IMO cause I have yet to shoot my big bore AEA's without the bolt in place, my mags and breech o rings are all still in good shape, I did have to replace a breech o ring on my 25 cal semi auto and it was my fault for casting with a known bad mold that gave wings on the pellets that chewed the o ring up. The reason that I even used that mold was because it was aluminum and light compared the brass mold that I also have.

Since no link was posted, I'm guessing that is Macabespeed. The puff of air was all from the bolt being open, he hasn't mentioned any ongoing issues so I think he got lucky with the breech seal. The Zeus valve dump is another, he knows he put something together wrong and cause the valve to stick open, not sure if he has shot it since.

I will tell you from experience, the bolt slamming open is frightening. I did this in my garage just after pulling the magazine out to refill my Bulldog. At least there wasn't a round in the chamber. I missed the safety and hit the trigger... I am not a fan of the safety being directly in front of the trigger and pulling the same way as the trigger to put into safe.

[Nomadic Pirate]

I seen that video you're talking about, it's unusual for a person to fess up to something like that which made the video that much better IMO cause I have yet to shoot my big bore AEA's without the bolt in place, my mags and breech o rings are all still in good shape, I did have to replace a breech o ring on my 25 cal semi auto and it was my fault for casting with a known bad mold that gave wings on the pellets that chewed the o ring up. The reason that I even used that mold was because it was aluminum and light compared the brass mold that I also have.

Since no link was posted, I'm guessing that is Macabespeed. The puff of air was all from the bolt being open, he hasn't mentioned any ongoing issues so I think he got lucky with the breech seal. The Zeus valve dump is another, he knows he put something together wrong and cause the valve to stick open, not sure if he has shot it since.

I will tell you from experience, the bolt slamming open is frightening. I did this in my garage just after pulling the magazine out to refill my Bulldog. At least there wasn't a round in the chamber. I missed the safety and hit the trigger... I am not a fan of the safety being directly in front of the trigger and pulling the same way as the trigger to put into safe.

That is one other thing I can't stand and is a deal breaker for me, the safety bar in front of the trigger,.......forgot about that one.