A.E.A. the gun of the moment ?

[Spacebus]

Yeah .457 and .495 is so close that the availability of .457 heavy store ammo surely would tip the balance,

EPP/UG



https://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=50-210A



Also I've not been able to find any sizing dies for .495 so that even makes the casting for that caliber harder.

Yeah, I am probably going to place my order for the .45 CH BP, some round ball, and some slugs tonight. This winter I might try my hand at casting and sizing. Any good threads for making big bore ammo? I imagine it's basically the same thing the muzzle loader/black powder crowd are making.

Do you have a thread reviewing the AEA that was sent to you by another member?

[Wayne52]

Dj it's in "Boolits and Pellet Casting" which is a childboard in "Projectiles"

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=229.0

[Dan H]

I just talked to Bin ,and he said he is picking up the gun's Monday ....    the new side lever gun's . I have the .357  32 inch barrel bullpup ordered from him ,  and have the nice Aims-sports Alpha 6 scope for it ... I liked the .30 32 inch so much that I had to get the .357 ,... that .30 32 bullpup shoulder's a lot lighter in the field than my .357 standard challenger with 24 inch barrel plus the extra 8 inches of barrel on the 32 should yield decent gain in  FPE using the bigger g bullets ....

The cool thing about these long barrel bullpups is the crazy power they produce yet they are shorter than my compact DAR  guns ,and they bench shoot really well with the way the stock is designed ... out in the field hands down the bullpup long barrel is by far the best if you are going out in the field ,and  bench shooting is as stated fantastic also ....   

[Spacebus]

I just talked to Bin ,and he said he is picking up the gun's Monday ....    the new side lever gun's . I have the .357  32 inch barrel bullpup ordered from him ,  and have the nice Aims-sports Alpha 6 scope for it ... I liked the .30 32 inch so much that I had to get the .357 ,... that .30 32 bullpup shoulder's a lot lighter in the field than my .357 standard challenger with 24 inch barrel plus the extra 8 inches of barrel on the 32 should yield decent gain in  FPE using the bigger g bullets ....

The cool thing about these long barrel bullpups is the crazy power they produce yet they are shorter than my compact DAR  guns ,and they bench shoot really well with the way the stock is designed ... out in the field hands down the bullpup long barrel is by far the best if you are going out in the field ,and  bench shooting is as stated fantastic also ....

Is that including .45's? I'm one anxiety filled click away from placing an order on Bin's website. The folks at Fox got their .50 Bullpup to 608 FPE using 300 grain .498 EPP-UG slugs. Will wait on a scope until I get some trigger time using one of my red dot sights. I plan on keeping shots under 75 yards, so a 2-7 x 50 or something like that.

Update: I placed the order with Bin. Hopefully I get a solid rifle and have no issues.

Update 2: Ordered some NSA Slugs and Seneca round ball. We shall see what shows up first.

[Gone Fishing]

I wish their 50 and 72 cal were not so ugly. Their other rifles have a sleeker look. The Zeus looks aesthetically imbalanced. I suppose it is balancing with the power haha. Still a cool gun. The only other gun same size and larger being made was by Extreme Bug Bore. I haven't heard much from them, however.

The Zeus Carbine looks fantastic in my opinion
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/aea-zeus-carbine-ready-to-rock/?referrer=1

Those longer barreled ones look funky in my opinion,...the 32" bullpups in particular look silly to me

Oh nice I like that look a lot more.

[Ironman482]

I sent an email to Bin asking about the bore size on the .45 and he confirmed it is .457 bore. I also sent an email to Fox to see if they have tried .495 round ball. Right now I'm leaning .45 but will wait a few days and see if I still want it.

when I talked to Bin back on July 16th after ordering the 45 BP he said .457 but wasn't sure  until he had one in his hands ,I wonder what has changed, I ordered and already received some .457 ammo ,gonna wait till I  can verify the bore to order molds.

[Nomadic Pirate]

I just talked to Bin ,and he said he is picking up the gun's Monday ....    the new side lever gun's . I have the .357  32 inch barrel bullpup ordered from him ,  and have the nice Aims-sports Alpha 6 scope for it ... I liked the .30 32 inch so much that I had to get the .357 ,... that .30 32 bullpup shoulder's a lot lighter in the field than my .357 standard challenger with 24 inch barrel plus the extra 8 inches of barrel on the 32 should yield decent gain in  FPE using the bigger g bullets ....

The cool thing about these long barrel bullpups is the crazy power they produce yet they are shorter than my compact DAR  guns ,and they bench shoot really well with the way the stock is designed ... out in the field hands down the bullpup long barrel is by far the best if you are going out in the field ,and  bench shooting is as stated fantastic also ....

Is that including .45's? I'm one anxiety filled click away from placing an order on Bin's website. The folks at Fox got their .50 Bullpup to 608 FPE using 300 grain .498 EPP-UG slugs. Will wait on a scope until I get some trigger time using one of my red dot sights. I plan on keeping shots under 75 yards, so a 2-7 x 50 or something like that.

Update: I placed the order with Bin. Hopefully I get a solid rifle and have no issues.

Update 2: Ordered some NSA Slugs and Seneca round ball. We shall see what shows up first.

For Roundball get Hornady both in .457 or .495 they are the best.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Eveybody remember one thing, Ed from Edgun touched on this a long time ago,

......Yes long barrels will give you more power but also with the relative low velocity we shoot our airguns they are also way more hard to shoot accurately, Yes if you have your gun in a vice it's ok but if you put any variable into the mix a shorter barrel is easier to be accurate with then a longer barrel because the projectile takes a long time to exit.

I found that one out with the 28" Bulldog barrel, if I did everything right it was real accurate, but the smallest mistake and bye bye.

I will not ever get a PCP with a barrel longer then 20" again,....go check Ed's video about accuracy with shorter barrels, the guy knows more then most big mouths around the forums.


One project I had in mind was to get a Bulldog, cut off 8" of barrel, cut the shroud even with the end of the airtube and I bet it would make a sweet Bullpup,......I might still do it if I ever get a shop again and spare funds.


I had the same Idea for the AEA Challenger .30,.....so many projects ideas so little money to execute

[Spacebus]

[/quote]

I sent an email to Bin asking about the bore size on the .45 and he confirmed it is .457 bore. I also sent an email to Fox to see if they have tried .495 round ball. Right now I'm leaning .45 but will wait a few days and see if I still want it.

when I talked to Bin back on July 16th after ordering the 45 BP he said .457 but wasn't sure  until he had one in his hands ,I wonder what has changed, I ordered and already received some .457 ammo ,gonna wait till I  can verify the bore to order molds.

What do you use to verify the bore?
I ordered 50x 302 grain hollow core slugs and 50x 340 grain slugs from NSA and 100x Seneca .457 round ball. I decided not to wait a few days and went ahead and placed my order. Last time I waited and waffled on an air rifle they were all sold out.

Eveybody remember one thing, Ed from Edgun touched on this a long time ago,

......Yes long barrels will give you more power but also with the relative low velocity we shoot our airguns they are also way more hard to shoot accurately, Yes if you have your gun in a vice it's ok but if you put any variable into the mix a shorter barrel is easier to be accurate with then a longer barrel because the projectile takes a long time to exit.

I found that one out with the 28" Bulldog barrel, if I did everything right it was real accurate, but the smallest mistake and bye bye.

I will not ever get a PCP with a barrel longer then 20" again,....go check Ed's video about accuracy with shorter barrels, the guy knows more then most big mouths around the forums.


One project I had in mind was to get a Bulldog, cut off 8" of barrel, cut the shroud even with the end of the airtube and I bet it would make a sweet Bullpup,......I might still do it if I ever get a shop again and spare funds.


I had the same Idea for the AEA Challenger .30,.....so many projects ideas so little money to execute

I have mixed opinions on long barrels, we will see how I like this one on the Challenger when it gets here. I agree that mistakes are amplified with a long barrel, but it also has the higher potential accuracy when compared to a SBR.

I wanted to get Hornaday or Speer, but most places were sold out and the one place that had Speer in stock would not ship to Maine. The Seneca balls have the same weight as the Hornaday and I bet they are just rebranded.

[Ironman482]

DJ , I didn't verify the bore dia , just took a chance and ordered some slugs from ebay at .457 dia ,sounds like Bin has got some more info on the 45 , hope he's right because I've ordered and received two different molds from Lee,  I'll wait to order NOE molds since they cost so much more, molds in .457 are kinda hard to find.

[Ironman482]

These are the slugs I've been able to find so far

[Gone Fishing]

Eveybody remember one thing, Ed from Edgun touched on this a long time ago,

......Yes long barrels will give you more power but also with the relative low velocity we shoot our airguns they are also way more hard to shoot accurately, Yes if you have your gun in a vice it's ok but if you put any variable into the mix a shorter barrel is easier to be accurate with then a longer barrel because the projectile takes a long time to exit.

I found that one out with the 28" Bulldog barrel, if I did everything right it was real accurate, but the smallest mistake and bye bye.

I will not ever get a PCP with a barrel longer then 20" again,....go check Ed's video about accuracy with shorter barrels, the guy knows more then most big mouths around the forums.


One project I had in mind was to get a Bulldog, cut off 8" of barrel, cut the shroud even with the end of the airtube and I bet it would make a sweet Bullpup,......I might still do it if I ever get a shop again and spare funds.


I had the same Idea for the AEA Challenger .30,.....so many projects ideas so little money to execute

Yeah coming from M4s, dwell time has a new meaning in airguns. That is a good point Manny, we often forget about the impact of longer barrels on our accuracy. It is a hard balance. It always amazes me just how much Edguns fit the bill of excellence in concept.

Back to AEA, what levels of energy are the Carbine Zeus' getting? Is there a .50 cal of the Zeus (easier to get that ammo now)?

[Spacebus]

These are the slugs I've been able to find so far

We will have to compare notes, my chorno should be here today. I went with NSA since their slugs work so well in my Eagle Claw. I'm hoping it does well on round ball for less expensive ammo that might be available locally. I figure if the ammo I ordered doesn't work, I'll cast it into something that does. NSA also offers different diameters for 45, so maybe he would do an exchange? I went with the heavier options since they were the same price as the lighter slugs, plus the 302 grain hollow core are supposed to be amazing against large game.

[jimbo]

Yeah the .50 slugs may be expensive but I don't know what most guys do with a .50 big bore air rifle but all I want to do is get it sighted in for deer hunting and then I'm set. I'm sure at first being new and all I'll shoot it a little more but basically once it's sighted in I'll treat it like my slug gun or muzzle loader, it sits in the safe till deer season.

[Spacebus]

Yeah the .50 slugs may be expensive but I don't know what most guys do with a .50 big bore air rifle but all I want to do is get it sighted in for deer hunting and then I'm set. I'm sure at first being new and all I'll shoot it a little more but basically once it's sighted in I'll treat it like my slug gun or muzzle loader, it sits in the safe till deer season.

I'll do that with expensive slugs, but I'm hoping to do some recreational shooting with the rifle with lighter ammo at lower power levels as well. I definitely understand wanting to save it for hunting only. I live out in the country so once I get a casting setup going I can shoot very inexpensively. In my old life I used to shoot M4's and M9's all the time, but it wasn't really enjoyable for me so not something I did on my own time. For the last five years I never had any interest in shooting until we ordered the Eagle Claw for potential predators bothering our livestock. That was like opening Pandora's box and now here we are talking about big bore ammo 

[Dan H]

Eveybody remember one thing, Ed from Edgun touched on this a long time ago,

......Yes long barrels will give you more power but also with the relative low velocity we shoot our airguns they are also way more hard to shoot accurately, Yes if you have your gun in a vice it's ok but if you put any variable into the mix a shorter barrel is easier to be accurate with then a longer barrel because the projectile takes a long time to exit.

I found that one out with the 28" Bulldog barrel, if I did everything right it was real accurate, but the smallest mistake and bye bye.

I will not ever get a PCP with a barrel longer then 20" again,....go check Ed's video about accuracy with shorter barrels, the guy knows more then most big mouths around the forums.


One project I had in mind was to get a Bulldog, cut off 8" of barrel, cut the shroud even with the end of the airtube and I bet it would make a sweet Bullpup,......I might still do it if I ever get a shop again and spare funds.


I had the same Idea for the AEA Challenger .30,.....so many projects ideas so little money to execute

Yeah coming from M4s, dwell time has a new meaning in airguns. That is a good point Manny, we often forget about the impact of longer barrels on our accuracy. It is a hard balance. It always amazes me just how much Edguns fit the bill of excellence in concept.

Back to AEA, what levels of energy are the Carbine Zeus' getting? Is there a .50 cal of the Zeus (easier to get that ammo now)?

I can tell you by my own experience shooting long barrels  36 , 32 , 28    there is absolutely no issues with accuracy of the barrels ... I have TJ barrels on 2 of the XP air guns , and the AEA  32  LW barrel I think it is unless they changed .... all 3 are very accurate with correct bullet or pellet  ,and hold ... and as far as hold goes  they are  hold sensitive big bore are  - you just have to get used to the particular gun ,and figure out what it takes hold wise ...

The example that I would have is .45 XP ranger 36 inch barrel that has 2 power settings where you can go out to 5-600 g bullet on high power 4300 psi down to a 140 g round ball at 3300 psi where it begins low power - 275g bullet and below  on low power ...so on the same gun un reged  things change from 4300 psi to below 2000 psi  ,and 600 g to 140 g ....  it's honestly shooting the gun a lot ,and learning the gun shot by shot  , .. My favorite way to test big bores  is to tether to a steel 500cf dot tank at a given pressure to shoot the matching g bullet that I cast /size .. The cool thing is you  can replicate / practice certain pressure and g bullet a lot with that much air ,and be able to figure out  what the gun likes because if you don't make the gun happy with the proper design /sized/  weight /pressure pushed bullet LOL ! , it;s not going to make you happy ....   

[Nomadic Pirate]

Well some people just don't get it, cannot help that LOL

....And they just drive off on tangents 

[jimbo]

And some people just can't help themselves

[Dan H]

Well some people just don't get it, cannot help that LOL

....And they just drive off on tangents 

  LOL ! I think ol Manny was looking in the mirror as he posted this ....   

[Ironman482]

I'm gonna drive off to the grocery store and score some vittles, tangent,maybe later after some jim beam.......lol