A.E.A. the gun of the moment ?

[Mr.P]

I haven’t searched for 25 caliber molds in a while…

not much stock at the moment. I wonder how it would shoot the NOE 249-39-RF-E6 slugs - I see some of those in stock.


 the .25 magazines are a hassle - they don’t load as easily as the .357 and the screws that hold the clear cover on do not hold their tightness - keeps loosening and tightening when loading.  I know I will get it figured out but I keep launching them across the room when trying to load - I am just too clumsy with the smaller magazine.

[Spacebus]

I haven’t searched for 25 caliber molds in a while…

not much stock at the moment. I wonder how it would shoot the NOE 249-39-RF-E6 slugs - I see some of those in stock.


 the .25 magazines are a hassle - they don’t load as easily as the .357 and the screws that hold the clear cover on do not hold their tightness - keeps loosening and tightening when loading.  I know I will get it figured out but I keep launching them across the room when trying to load - I am just too clumsy with the smaller magazine.

I think someone is working on improved 3d printed magazines for those semi-auto guns. I've also read that Firewalker is having good success with mags ordered from "the other Bin".

[Mr.P]

The .357 mags I ordered from the pellet shop were indeed perfect with a snug lid, whereas the ones that came with the max (and now with the carbine) from Bin Tac have problems.  Maybe the ones made at the time of manufacture and boxed with the guns were still in the prototype stage. 

Guess I need to order some magazines from The Pellet Shop. $25 for those plastic pieces of junk though… sheesh. 

[Spacebus]

I saw that user Insanity is trying this mold https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/bullet-moulds/251/253-40-wc-bh6/6-253-40-wc-bh6-22-2-cavity-hb-120-50/. I'm hoping to buy some slugs from someone who has the mold to try out in my guns. Should be very usable in the 800-900 FPS speed range based on PB wadcutter velocity.

[Spacebus]

Is .25 cal becoming the .20 cal of PCPs? The lightest slug molds are on the heaviest end of what the most powerful .25 PCP's commonly available is capable of sending at 900+ FPS. Who is using the heaver .25 cal molds? I'm browsing for a 100 FPE .25 cal PCP, but the AEA .25 Challenger seems to be the most powerful "off the shelf" PCP at 84 FPE. With the superior BC values of .25 caliber ammunition, I'm surprised there isn't more attention on this caliber.

[Mr.P]

I saw that user Insanity is trying this mold https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/bullet-moulds/251/253-40-wc-bh6/6-253-40-wc-bh6-22-2-cavity-hb-120-50/. I'm hoping to buy some slugs from someone who has the mold to try out in my guns. Should be very usable in the 800-900 FPS speed range based on PB wadcutter velocity.

I’ve been eyeballing those all day as I have been browsing for (non-existent) .25 molds. So much easier looking for .357…

 I love the idea of the deep hollow base or point but it is 100% bearing surface and the heavier weight on top of this has me wondering if this would work well in the carbine.

[Spacebus]

I saw that user Insanity is trying this mold https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/bullet-moulds/251/253-40-wc-bh6/6-253-40-wc-bh6-22-2-cavity-hb-120-50/. I'm hoping to buy some slugs from someone who has the mold to try out in my guns. Should be very usable in the 800-900 FPS speed range based on PB wadcutter velocity.

I’ve been eyeballing those all day as I have been browsing for (non-existent) .25 molds. So much easier looking for .357…

 I love the idea of the deep hollow base or point but it is 100% bearing surface and the heavier weight on top of this has me wondering if this would work well in the carbine.

I knurled and sized some slugs to get them up to size. It definitely reduced surface area compared to something that wasn't knurled. I'm going to try the same with my NSA slugs, which also have a huge bearing surface, and see how it affects efficiency. I also give all my projectiles a light coating of silicone oil, and a knurled slug holds more lube.

[Mr.P]

Really been enjoying the .25 aea carbine. Semi auto is very reliable and the gun is quiet and fun to shoot of course.  Like the talon P it feels a little underpowered for .25 caliber not because it has a problem with pellets but because the available molds in this caliber are 40 grain +. 

A quick test with mp mold 48 grain boat tails (I had 6 laying around from the last time i cast) shows it can shoot them accurately at about 700 fps if I get tired of paying for diablos.

[bear air]

Took a look at the Huma regulator for the 30 caliber challenger yesterday. If anyone has installed one into a 30 please speak up and let me know how it turned out and what type of power it still has and shot count please.

[Wayne52]

Really been enjoying the .25 aea carbine. Semi auto is very reliable and the gun is quiet and fun to shoot of course.  Like the talon P it feels a little underpowered for .25 caliber not because it has a problem with pellets but because the available molds in this caliber are 40 grain +. 

A quick test with mp mold 48 grain boat tails (I had 6 laying around from the last time i cast) shows it can shoot them accurately at about 700 fps if I get tired of paying for diablos.

Marco I need to try those in mine, I've always shot my 34.5 grain Magnum Hunters from it with great success.

[Mr.P]

Do you have some chrony strings for those hunters?  I have got to get one of those molds.

When I say “accuracy was good” I mean my braced standing group in my garage was small, similar to jsb and not scattered all over like the h and n slugs (36 grain) I also tried. 

My results may prove to be of little value when tested at 30 or 50 yards.

I know I shouldn’t go there but part of me wants to see if I can squeeze more power out of this with a little extra spring pre load or hammer weight.  Maybe get the semi auto to cycle at 3600 psi or higher with a CF bottle and send the 48 grains a little faster. 

[Wayne52]

I did this probably after 200 shots through the gun.  It will do 4 mags nicely from about 3400psi on down.

[Mr.P]

Nice, thank you. 

I have a question and I think i know the answer…

For the “carbine TD “with the carbon fiber bottle, I assume the only purpose of the carbon fiber is to make it lighter not to shoot at higher pressure correct?

What would be nice would be a carbine with a carbon fiber bottle that could actually use the higher pressure air for a little more power.  Obviously this would involve a stiffer spring or heavier hammer.  I was thinking maybe the carbine TD actually was using that pressure air but I think not since the specs are the same as for the lower pressure bottle.

[Firewalker]

Nice, thank you. 

I have a question and I think i know the answer…

For the “carbine TD “with the carbon fiber bottle, I assume the only purpose of the carbon fiber is to make it lighter not to shoot at higher pressure correct?

What would be nice would be a carbine with a carbon fiber bottle that could actually use the higher pressure air for a little more power.  Obviously this would involve a stiffer spring or heavier hammer.  I was thinking maybe the carbine TD actually was using that pressure air but I think not since the specs are the same as for the lower pressure bottle.

The tanks can take 4500psi, the gun is rated for 3400.

[Mr.P]

The carbine TD can be filled to 4500 psi, according to the advertised specs, but semi auto won’t work above 3500.

Does the TD have a special valve or other change to access the higher pressure air or is it valve locked above 3500 psi like the regular carbine? 

Again the advertisements make it sound like you can shoot up to 4500 psi but you just won’t have semi auto function.


Air capacity:                 450cc
Air cylinder:                 carbon fiber
Max safe filling pressure :   4500PSI
Semi-auto working pressure:   2100-3500PSI

[customcutter]

The TD CF bottle will hold more volume at a higher pressure.  It will not function in semi-auto above 3400-3500#.  It was originally called a Backpacker, then Assassin, now it is called a TD.  They didn't think the name Assassin was Politically Correct for an airgun, given the anti-gun sentiment.   That's the story I heard from ThePelletShop.

[sb327]

The carbine TD can be filled to 4500 psi, according to the advertised specs, but semi auto won’t work above 3500.

Does the TD have a special valve or other change to access the higher pressure air or is it valve locked above 3500 psi like the regular carbine? 

Again the advertisements make it sound like you can shoot up to 4500 psi but you just won’t have semi auto function.


Air capacity:                 450cc
Air cylinder:                 carbon fiber
Max safe filling pressure :   4500PSI
Semi-auto working pressure:   2100-3500PSI

Yes, it essentially valve locked until it gets down to the operating pressure window. That’s not to say it won’t shoot, just that it won’t cycle and velocity will be low.

I think you have it figured out.

Dave

[Mr.P]

My carbine works just fine and I’m not going to do anything stupid today but eventually it would be interesting to see what would happen with a stiffer spring and one of the cf bottles at higher pressure.

[Wayne52]

I've thought about getting the CF bottle for mine too but that's it, I just thought about it and doubt that I will.  Now that mine has been broken in for quite
some time now it will cycle at 3800psi fill, I use nothing but pure lead so chambering a commercial pellet in them (harder than pure lead) probably won't
cycle well.  Pure lead is the only way to go in my opinion, especially if you cast you're own cast stuff.  Every time that I've use recycled lead from pellets
I have ended up dumping the pot because of it.  The pellets and slugs will come out over sized with the commercial lead that's used in all the commercial
stuff because of the Antimony in them.

[Firewalker]

I happened across a carbon fiber Hatsan bottle for cheap and the swap saved me around #2. I still fill to 3400psi so no attempt to power it up has been made for me to make further comment. 🙃