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Just spoke to Scot to see if he had a PARTS Liberty in 22 cal in stock, he was extremely helpful and checked his books and found one ------ I took it.
This one is a wood stocked version, so we will see how it goes. If the gun is non functional I will take it apart and do my best to give you guys O ring sizes. Other parts will be put in bags, siliconed and put away.
If I can get the gun to function, then It will be a user to join my other Liberty at my hunting grounds.
As always a full report to follow ?
wll
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If it's not a shooter take action out of your best liberty and put it in the wood stock. I don't think there is much that can't be fixed on a liberty or the freedom.
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Don't know if I would want a wood stock. Not saying you did wrong but, I just don't think I would put the wood on one of my functioning guns if that one won't work. Heck, parts guns are great to have around.
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Don't know if I would want a wood stock. Not saying you did wrong but, I just don't think I would put the wood on one of my functioning guns if that one won't work. Heck, parts guns are great to have around.
Ya, we will see when I get the gun, Just called ATI, they said order is going out probably Thursday, So should receive "Parts Gun" sometime next week it looks like now.
wll
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Again... I hope you get a good one.
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Again... I hope you get a good one.
Me too ;- )
wll
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One a shooter and one a looker. lol Sounds like what we need for wives. opps, did I say that??????????
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One a shooter and one a looker. lol Sounds like what we need for wives. opps, did I say that??????????
No, I’m hoping the parts gun functions.... it will be tuned a bit differently, maybe with 21gr Nelson Slugs in the 925+ FPS area, I don’t know yet !!
It will be, if possible tuned for head shots on coons, possum, and ‘yotes in the 50 yard area.
We will see :-) the gun has the genetics to do it :-)
wll
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The last Liberty parts gun I received, had all the misc parts, but had a fast and a slow leak. I think you will like the wood stock, outside of the additional lb of weight. If not, I have a plastic stock if you would like to swap.
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The last Liberty parts gun I received, had all the misc parts, but had a fast and a slow leak. I think you will like the wood stock, outside of the additional lb of weight. If not, I have a plastic stock if you would like to swap.
I'm looking forward to this gun ... where were two leaks from, this one might have the same issue .... also what were the sizes of washers used ?
I'm going to try the wood stock and see how I like it, I may trade if I don't like it ?
wll
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The last Liberty parts gun I received, had all the misc parts, but had a fast and a slow leak. I think you will like the wood stock, outside of the additional lb of weight. If not, I have a plastic stock if you would like to swap.
I'm looking forward to this gun ... where were two leaks from, this one might have the same issue .... also what were the sizes of washers used ?
I'm going to try the wood stock and see how I like it, I may trade if I don't like it ?
wll
The big leak was the plenum o-ring. The slow leak I haven't dug in and found yet. Too many outside projects. Only minor gun stuff until late fall, early winter.
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The last Liberty parts gun I received, had all the misc parts, but had a fast and a slow leak. I think you will like the wood stock, outside of the additional lb of weight. If not, I have a plastic stock if you would like to swap.
I'm looking forward to this gun ... where were two leaks from, this one might have the same issue .... also what were the sizes of washers used ?
I'm going to try the wood stock and see how I like it, I may trade if I don't like it ?
wll
The big leak was the plenum o-ring. The slow leak I haven't dug in and found yet. Too many outside projects. Only minor gun stuff until late fall, early winter.
I hear that !!! Way to hot for projects that require outdoor testing. I have a Freedom and a Maximus with slow (overnight) leaks. They can wait until cooler weather. Meantime I have a couple inside jobs to work on when bench time allows.
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Off topic: This project is almost complete. 5' X 50' dock. Need to stain/seal and some concrete on the shore attachment.
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The wood can look good!
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Rod
That stock looks great. Going to try & redo mine (someday cooler) and trim down the weight a little.
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Well have not heard anything so far, I'm hopping they have sent my Liberty "Parts" gun and maybe I can get it this Friday ?
I really want to set it up (if it works) for a little hunting trip. I may set her up shooting slugs or Monsters. I'm thinking 25gr original Monsters in the 825-850 fps area. Giving me over 25 fpe at 65 yards for bigger game ! From what Steve has posted I think I can get a little more fps. Now it is a matter of accuracy !
Going to have to see how my new Liberty shoots Monsters ? ... We will see ? 25fpe at 65 yards is pretty nice.
wll
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Just got notification the gun is on the way and I should receive it this Friday ;- )
I have all body parts crossed that she is a shooter .... this Friday will be the tale of the tape, to see what i got ?
wll
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So what does that make it, 10?
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You Guys are trying to get me to look at one of these aren't ya. ;D
Knife
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So what does that make it, 10?
Not Yet ...LOL, LOL, LOL.
wll
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You Guys are trying to get me to look at one of these aren't ya. ;D
Knife
Hey, everybody needs some liberty. Of course some want all of the Liberty! Lol
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if you want to sell the wood stock let me know. i am curious to see if the cheek piece is higher than the plastic one.
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i am curious to see if the cheek piece is higher than the plastic one.
It is not. It is designed for the included iron sights, just like the plastic version. Making a higher fixed or adjustable cheek riser, was one of my early recommendations for NV. 99% of owners are going to put a scope on it.
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Yes.. Click on picture...
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Just checked again and she is still scheduled for Friday delivery. I'm trying my best to move the package along telepathically but I don't think it is working;- )
wll
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Yes.. Click on picture...
Dude that is just gorgeous! Love what you did to that stock but it is WAY beyond my abilities...
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Just checked again and she is still scheduled for Friday delivery. I'm trying my best to move the package along telepathically but I don't think it is working;- )
wll
So you're trying to will it along faster????
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Warren, just a coping saw, drill press, wood dowels, sandpaper and stain... Check out Steve's videos (thebanker4) , as he does a build and shows him cutting a cheek piece.. I used wood dowels instead of the usual adjustable hardware, since I am the only one shooting it.. I just made it so when I shoulder it I am looking straight thru the scope..
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Just checked again and she is still scheduled for Friday delivery. I'm trying my best to move the package along telepathically but I don't think it is working;- )
wll
So you're trying to will it along faster????
Yes, and every time I try this it never works :-)
wll
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So, you saying you're week willed?
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Did you just dub him Weak Willed William?
Interesting, coming from a guy standing next to me in the bottom of the rabbit hole... 8)
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There's a bottom to that hole??????
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So, you saying you're week willed?
Did you just dub him Weak Willed William?
Interesting, coming from a guy standing next to me in the bottom of the rabbit hole... 8)
Go ahead guys keep it coming ;- ) When I get this gun you guys will be begging for another one just like it ;- )
wll
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No thanks, I'm already going broke with the ONE I've got now. Lol
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Same here... I'm going to go back over my whole collection after the stubby .177 is done and WSMR.22 is tuned and tested. See what I can refine or let go.
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Funny how there are all these "parts guns" but still no spare parts come up often for sale in the classifieds ???
Just more happy Nova Vista shooters. ;D
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Funny how there are all these "parts guns" but still no spare parts come up often for sale in the classifieds ???
Just more happy Nova Vista shooters. ;D
I just hope I'm not the first LOL, LOL, LOL ... tomorrow the wooden ship arrives ... We will see if she works, needs an "O" ring overall, or is missing a air chamber (like the first "Parts" Freedom that was missing complete pumping arm, the pumping chamber and other assorted "Parts", making it a "No-Parts Gun" -- ATI did make good send me a "Parts" gun that had parts, and yes i did have to take it completely apart and install new "O" rings so It would work)
This gun is a little simpler and am assuming it will have no pellet block, not magazines, fill adapter and maybe no sights. I will try to see if I can get her shooting, if not the parts will be bagged up and used if needed.
Looking forward to tomorrow. ------- and yes I will post what arrives, good or bad ;- )
wll
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Well the gun arrived and to say I was extremely pleasantly surprised would be a GROSS understatement ;- )
This thing is just beautiful, not a mark on it and it came with all the accessories. I might add it looks like the iron sight was never even taken off for a scope!
The gun is on empty, so it may have a leaky "O" ring ... but I will see if it holds air later when I get home.
Here she is !
(https://photos.imageevent.com/wlleven/k10dtest/downloadphotos/Liberty%202sm.png)
wll
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I simply had a blast shooting mine this morning, I got carried away with plinking in the woods with it so the critters kinda left the scene. I had to sight in the scope I put on it that I robbed from my Freedom but actually the scope was originally on the Liberty 8)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=129628.0;attach=282144;image)
Over 60 shots at 29-30fpe, what a nice gun it is. I think I'll take it back out in the morning for some quiet hunting instead of plinking, it's ready for a red squirrel no doubt. . . very accurate. I might eve shoot some of Stephens slugs in it again tomorrow.
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So the cub scout picture is of your son? Cause you don't look anything like that young man. lol
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LOL back then I was 75lbs, now I'm 240lbs.
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Wayne
Do you really shoot from the wrong side of that rifle........... LOL.............. ;)
Good lookin photo, except for that sun bonnet, your wearing......... ;D
JJOYC = just jerkin on your chain.............. ;)
Tia,
Don
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Well the gun arrived and to say I was extremely pleasantly surprised would be a GROSS understatement ;- )
This thing is just beautiful, not a mark on it and it came with all the accessories. I might add it looks like the iron sight was never even taken off for a scope!
The gun is on empty, so it may have a leaky "O" ring ... but I will see if it holds air later when I get home.
wll
Well I took the stock off (a very tight fit).
I moved the regulator dial over two dots ccw, I installed three additional .030 thin washers in back of the hammer spring, I then changed positions of the back two trigger screws and made sure the air release screw was tight (it was pretty tight, but that could have been an issue with the other owner).
So far that is it, I will open up the BP if I need to, but I'm hoping I can leave well enough alone.
Tonight we see if she hold air I'm hoping but you never know ?
wll
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Got home and tried to fill it ---- ooops, the fill probe is the wrong one ... could have been a problem with the first owner ? Filled her up to 3300 but on reading the gauge it said 3000psi ? ... well at least its holding air ;- ) Put on the other Discovery 4-16x42 AO and this scope looks like it was made for this gun ;- )
Shot some rounds to sight her in, she is louder than my other Liberty and these pellets are flying out of there, it took me six shots to sight her in. I will take her to my spot tomorrow for longer range sight in.
I really think the gun may have been returned because of the manometer, but that may need a bit of break in, I don't know, we will see.
Man alive this trigger is just great and it sends 18.13gr out pretty darn quick.
I may name this gun
wll
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I just named her “Woodstock” I think the name is fitting from my old rock and roll generation days .... yes I remember Woodstock :-)
Saw Jimi Hendrix three times, Cream, Jethro Tull, and I could go on and on :-)
We will see how she sings tomorrow :-)
wll
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awesome please keep us posted
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I just named her “Woodstock” I think the name is fitting from my old rock and roll generation days .... yes I remember Woodstock :-)
Saw Jimi Hendrix three times, Cream, Jethro Tull, and I could go on and on :-)
We will see how she sings tomorrow :-)
wll
Never saw any of those live, but sure wish I could have! I didn't even "find out" about rock music until the late 1960's-early 1970's.
Then again, you may be talking about this:
(https://rufiojones.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/woodstockeureka.png)
Chuckle!
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Well as I have reported on another thread Woodstock is passing wind and is down about 1000psi in about 18 hrs. I will be working on the poppet in a week or so when I receive the Delrin rod and my lathe is back from being reconditioned at Sherline.
Because I so much like these guns, yes another parts gun is on its way ...... If truth be know I hope it is a total non working gun so I can take it apart and learn from it. Even If it is not I will very carefully take it apart and start to find the O rings I will need at a later date, and really see how the gun works ....... I need to know how this gun functions from one end to the other.---- and yes, it will eventually be a shooter unless it is missing parts :- )
Unlike most PCP guns that have "O" rings In tubes and such, this gun does not have that .... The vast majority of the "O" rings are in the body itself and make for clean removal and very little chance of "O" ring damage when replaced (a great design).
wll
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Will, have you checked to make sure the air tube is tight? Mine wasn't and thou that wasn't the source of the 100 psi a day leak it was losing. Make sure the air bleed screw end isn't really ruff. I took mine out, screwed it into a 6mm flange nut where just about .010 to .020 was showing past the nuts surface and taking some very fine grit sand paper and using a figure 8 motion dressed the end of the screw so it would get a better seal without having to really crank on it. Have you done the balloon taped over the end of the barrel yet? That's how I found out what was leaking on my Liberty and just found all of the other stuff along the way to getting to the poppet. Getting to the poppet is so easy that after releasing all of the air I can be to it in less than 30min.
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Will, have you checked to make sure the air tube is tight? Mine wasn't and thou that wasn't the source of the 100 psi a day leak it was losing. Make sure the air bleed screw end isn't really ruff. I took mine out, screwed it into a 6mm flange nut where just about .010 to .020 was showing past the nuts surface and taking some very fine grit sand paper and using a figure 8 motion dressed the end of the screw so it would get a better seal without having to really crank on it. Have you done the balloon taped over the end of the barrel yet? That's how I found out what was leaking on my Liberty and just found all of the other stuff along the way to getting to the poppet. Getting to the poppet is so easy that after releasing all of the air I can be to it in less than 30min.
Those are good ideas and I will do that later today ;- ) I actually have some DuPont Molykote 111 and will use that on the threads ... It is a very, very think silicone grease, used so stop leaks.
wll
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i can take the valve out in less than 5 minutes after degas. :o
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i can take the valve out in less than 5 minutes after degas. :o
These guns are very easy to work on IMO.
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Yes, they are very easy to work on and well designed IMHO. Once I get the Poppet I will decide on my approach. I have a couple ideas that are a bit off the wall but simple .... I'm very much looking at a Plug and Play approach where you don't need a lathe, or other machine tools to fix this problem ... we will see ;- )
The poppet in my hand will give me the direction I plan on going ;- )
There are two options that I like but don't know if they are possible, one is very, very simple and the other is a little more labor intensive .... the third is a machining job, that I really don't want to do ;- ) If I can do a fast fix that would last ~ 4 years I would be happy as the fix takes a few minutes and your down the road and back shooting in about 30 minutes !.
I'm very much looking forward to seeing where this goes ;- )
wll
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Has anyone ever made a list of the o rings in the Liberty ? I've yet to make a list myself, figuring out the size of them all from the available manuals shows them in metric and I've also noticed mistakes in the one for the Freedom.
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My other wooden Liberty will be named "Timber" if she is shootable.
I will be taking her apart to measure O rings and a deep look to eliminate this Poppet issue that is a real problem and an Achilles heal for this gun. This problem needs to be resolved sooner then later because if Nova keeps producing them with this issue, major complaints will really hurt the Nova brand !
wll
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My other wooden Liberty will be named "Timber" if she is shootable.
I will be taking her apart to measure O rings and a deep look to eliminate this Poppet issue that is a real problem and an Achilles heal for this gun. This problem needs to be resolved sooner then later because if Nova keeps producing them with this issue, major complaints will really hurt the Nova brand !
wll
I am worried that ATI is not repairing ANY of these AG's. Freedom or Liberty.
From what I can figure out, they are simply selling off ALL the returns as "parts" guns.
Although, this does give a great deal for some, it worries me because I don't think that business model can continue forever. (heavy sigh)
And it also makes me wonder if parts will be available in the long run?
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I really believe that the problem with the Poppet is the metal can is bottoming on the valve.
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I really believe that the problem with the Poppet is the metal can is bottoming on the valve.
Isn't that only happening when they get pushed north of 40 ft.lbs. ? I don't recall reading of one leaking until the reg pressure was cranked way up.
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one of the oem valve from my Freedom shows ring imprints from the poppet, i doubt it gets shot a lot or pushed to 40fpe. so its the soft sealing material
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one of the oem valve from my Freedom shows ring imprints from the poppet, i doubt it gets shot a lot or pushed to 40fpe. so its the soft sealing material
Definitely soft, looks like the same material the QB series rifles use on their poppet. I just wasn't aware they were leaking at close to stock reg pressures.
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I really believe that the problem with the Poppet is the metal can is bottoming on the valve.
Isn't that only happening when they get pushed north of 40 ft.lbs. ? I don't recall reading of one leaking until the reg pressure was cranked way up.
When I bought mine from dairyboy it was all stock but was starting to leak about a 100 psi a day. All I did was trim the metal can back about the width of a dremel cutoff wheels thickness using my drill press to turn it while I cut and it hasn't leaked since and I've had the reg turned up as high as 1/4 turn CCW plus when I changed out the reg Bellevue washers out to ones I bought from McMaster carr (not recommended) the reg was putting out up in the 3000 psi range and still didn't leak.
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Robert
Did you change the Bellevue washers because of creep, or erratic pressures, or both? Why do you say, not recommended. What happened? Did you change back?
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I really believe that the problem with the Poppet is the metal can is bottoming on the valve.
Isn't that only happening when they get pushed north of 40 ft.lbs. ? I don't recall reading of one leaking until the reg pressure was cranked way up.
When I bought mine from dairyboy it was all stock but was starting to leak about a 100 psi a day. All I did was trim the metal can back about the width of a dremel cutoff wheels thickness using my drill press to turn it while I cut and it hasn't leaked since and I've had the reg turned up as high as 1/4 turn CCW plus when I changed out the reg Bellevue washers out to ones I bought from McMaster carr (not recommended) the reg was putting out up in the 3000 psi range and still didn't leak.
Thanks Robert. Did you pull the poppet material before you made the cut?
Sorry about the bellvilles not working for you. Im the one who originally posted them up. Have been running them for a better part of 6 months now. The id od. and thickness is the same, but the height is taller. So you can't use your original setting as a reference point. They hold a tighter es for me. After setting for days, my first shot is no more than a few fps off from the rest. I did balance the hammer strike to the reg setting though.
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When stacking bellevue washers sometimes you'll need more or less spacers to get the right tension once the regulator is assembled. I usually stick with the originals myself, polishing them a little will help sometimes.
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My other wooden Liberty will be named "Timber" if she is shootable.
I will be taking her apart to measure O rings and a deep look to eliminate this Poppet issue that is a real problem and an Achilles heal for this gun. This problem needs to be resolved sooner then later because if Nova keeps producing them with this issue, major complaints will really hurt the Nova brand !
wll
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I am worried that ATI is not repairing ANY of these AG's. Freedom or Liberty.
From what I can figure out, they are simply selling off ALL the returns as "parts" guns.
Although, this does give a great deal for some, it worries me because I don't think that business model can continue forever. (heavy sigh)
And it also makes me wonder if parts will be available in the long run?
b]Backstop[/b]
Have you considered this( hypothetical) option for their business model?
Working backwards from retail price of a Liberty, $300 (synth stock); then allowing for the 20% discount brings us down to $240 selling price
It is conceivable that in this marketplace a 100% markup after all costs of purchase is the norm.
That brings us down to $120.
Sell non warrantied gun for $ 100 and the loss is minimal.
ATI's margins could be higher, unless they are being beat up by recent tariffs.
They might break even, or better.
It is certainly cheaper than throwing parts and labor $ at repair versus replacement
Before anyone picks this apart please understand the is a hypothetical argument based on NO knowledge of the industry.
That's why I can speak with such certainty!
Ed
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Ed
A breakeven for ATI and no problems with warranty returns is a win, win for everybody. I for one, hope they continue this policy.
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I really believe that the problem with the Poppet is the metal can is bottoming on the valve.
Isn't that only happening when they get pushed north of 40 ft.lbs. ? I don't recall reading of one leaking until the reg pressure was cranked way up.
When I bought mine from dairyboy it was all stock but was starting to leak about a 100 psi a day. All I did was trim the metal can back about the width of a dremel cutoff wheels thickness using my drill press to turn it while I cut and it hasn't leaked since and I've had the reg turned up as high as 1/4 turn CCW plus when I changed out the reg Bellevue washers out to ones I bought from McMaster carr (not recommended) the reg was putting out up in the 3000 psi range and still didn't leak.
This seems like a very good simple fix .. If my ideas don't work, I will definitely try this out. The can may be preventing the seal from working like it should, and the can could be causing all the trouble ?
I may be able to put the poppet arm in my Sherline lathe and trim off .030 so the soft poppet material can smash against the valve and stop leaking ? Hummmmm !!!
wll
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I didn't take that much off. They were very thin cutoff wheels but don't think that would cause a problem.
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I didn't take that much off. They were very thin cutoff wheels but don't think that would cause a problem.
Robert,
Did you ever try the hammer springs you got from McMaster-Carr, and if so how did they work ... are they stiffer then the originals ?
wll
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Got back from a little outing this early mornings as it is going to be 107 where I'm at, I don't need to die on the desert floor and be pickings for the buzzards ;- )
Anyway got only two shots off as I was after Ground Squirrels and none to be found ..... So I took two shots at a rangefindered 42 yards, both shots about an inch to the left ... I think I was shooting from a canted angle, but the two shots (red circle) and about 3/8 of an inch apart. The rest of the wood was torn away by the pellet. I was aiming at the green circled area and the tree was leaning left, I should have kept my x hairs straight.
(https://photos.imageevent.com/wlleven/k10dtest/downloadphotos/2%20Shots%20sm.png)
Liberty 1, as does Woodstock (my first wood stocked Liberty) shoots like this all day long. the groups are in a nickle no problem ---- at give or take 45 yards using JSB18.13gr pellets. When I do my part, these guns do theirs. I have shot at targets at about this distance and had thought I had missed, walked up and saw my pellet marking in my aiming point ... I just could not see it in my scope. There are many shots that I don't even bother with as I KNOW it is going to be a smack down.
These guns are amazing !
wll
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I didn't take that much off. They were very thin cutoff wheels but don't think that would cause a problem.
Robert,
Did you ever try the hammer springs you got from McMaster-Carr, and if so how did they work ... are they stiffer then the originals ?
wll
I haven't actually installed it in the rifle but it seemed like it would be too strong. When all of this moving business is over I'll be trying it in the rifle with the trigger installed. I still need to change my Liberty over to Duy's valve so will do it then.
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I didn't take that much off. They were very thin cutoff wheels but don't think that would cause a problem.
Robert,
Did you ever try the hammer springs you got from McMaster-Carr, and if so how did they work ... are they stiffer then the originals ?
wll
I haven't actually installed it in the rifle but it seemed like it would be too strong. When all of this moving business is over I'll be trying it in the rifle with the trigger installed. I still need to change my Liberty over to Duy's valve so will do it then.
Robert, thanks for the update :-)
wll
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This morning was out again with Liberty1. Took this shot as i was leaving for another hunting ground ... 42.5 yards away.. I was aiming at the bottom section of the cross between the bricks ... shot was perfect height and about 2 pellets to the right ... I have been shooting about 1/4"-3/8" right .. I made the adjustment when i left.
This gun never fails !
(https://photos.imageevent.com/wlleven/k10dtest/downloadphotos/Wall%20Smack%20Liberty1%20sm.png)
wll
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Timber (my second Wooden Liberty) arrives tomorrow.
I hoping she is a functional gun, but if not, I'm at the point the parts will be a welcome addition ;- )
If she has all the parts and can function she will be added to my hunting guns and a Discovery 4-16 AOE added, as I will have two wood stocked liberties and a synthetic stocked Liberty to take to the field, along with my Freedom all in .22 cal........ Stick a fork in me, I'm done !
wll
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I will have two wood stocked liberties and a synthetic stocked Liberty to take to the field, all in .22 cal........ Stick a fork in me, I'm done !
wll
That's where I'm at with 22 Liberty's, but waiting for a 177 wood parts gun to become available, and will be done. One of the 22's will be converted to 25 cal, this winter. One 22 will be dedicated to AVS slugs, too.
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Timber (my second Wooden Liberty) arrives tomorrow.
I hoping she is a functional gun, but if not, I'm at the point the parts will be a welcome addition ;- )
If she has all the parts and can function she will be added to my hunting guns and a Discovery 4-16 AOE added, as I will have two wood stocked liberties and a synthetic stocked Liberty to take to the field, along with my Freedom all in .22 cal........ Stick a fork in me, I'm done !
wll
I hope so ya horder!!!
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I will have two wood stocked liberties and a synthetic stocked Liberty to take to the field, all in .22 cal........ Stick a fork in me, I'm done !
wll
That's where I'm at with 22 Liberty's, but waiting for a 177 wood parts gun to become available, and will be done. One of the 22's will be converted to 25 cal, this winter. One 22 will be dedicated to AVS slugs, too.
Good morning FuzzyGrub
Curious to know how detailed the the Liberty 22 to 25 caliber conversion would be
Is there info addressing the topic somewhere in the forum?
Ed
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Good morning FuzzyGrub
Curious to know how detailed the the Liberty 22 to 25 caliber conversion would be
Is there info addressing the topic somewhere in the forum?
Ed
Not that I'm aware of. I know Duy will be working on a Liberty 25 cal conversion soon. I'm sure he will post some info. My bet his will be more high-powered and slinging slugs. :) Mine will be more for JSB 25 and 34g pellets. When I do start it, will have a GTA thread going, and usually I detail it enough such that other DIYer's can follow. ie like my Fortitude 25 cal conversion.
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Timber (my second Wooden Liberty) arrives tomorrow.
I hoping she is a functional gun, but if not, I'm at the point the parts will be a welcome addition ;- )
If she has all the parts and can function she will be added to my hunting guns and a Discovery 4-16 AOE added, as I will have two wood stocked liberties and a synthetic stocked Liberty to take to the field, along with my Freedom all in .22 cal........ Stick a fork in me, I'm done !
wll
Well my wooded parts gun came in (Timber). The stock was in pretty darn good shape, I took the stock off and the trigger screws had been switched (he did a very good ob on the trigger, it is single stage and is very, very nice) one of the magazines had two 18.2 gr domed pellets in it so he had either AA English Domed or JSB's .. they were a bit lighter color so I think they were not JSB's. Gun had front and rear sights taken off but were included in a baggie and it had the SST. I think he may have moved the regulator so I moved it just one dot ccw.
I next took out the hammer spring, and that two had been worked on, it had 4 small washers and two of the three factory washers. .. I put my own washers in to my length.
The gun was on empty ... may have an air problem, we will see when I get home. looks like he MAY have tried to take air cylinder off, but not sure.... I'm hoping the poppet and poppet spring is still in place, but I think it is ... The gun was pretty well taken care of !
I will take her home tonight and fill her to about 2600 and wait ? If she holds air I will put on a Discovery scope, sight her in and use her next time out ;- ) If she doesn't hold air , she will have a poppet operation when my lathe arrives ;- )
wll
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Timber (my second Wooden Liberty) arrives tomorrow.
I hoping she is a functional gun, but if not, I'm at the point the parts will be a welcome addition ;- )
If she has all the parts and can function she will be added to my hunting guns and a Discovery 4-16 AOE added, as I will have two wood stocked liberties and a synthetic stocked Liberty to take to the field, along with my Freedom all in .22 cal........ Stick a fork in me, I'm done !
wll
Well my wooded parts gun came in (Timber). The stock was in pretty darn good shape, I took the stock off and the trigger screws had been switched (he did a very good ob on the trigger, it is single stage and is very, very nice) one of the magazines had two 18.2 gr domed pellets in it so he had either AA English Domed or JSB's .. they were a bit lighter color so I think they were not JSB's. Gun had front and rear sights taken off but were included in a baggie and it had the SST. I think he may have moved the regulator so I moved it just one dot ccw.
I next took out the hammer spring, and that two had been worked on, it had 4 small washers and two of the three factory washers. .. I put my own washers in to my length.
The gun was on empty ... may have an air problem, we will see when I get home. looks like he MAY have tried to take air cylinder off, but not sure.... I'm hoping the poppet and poppet spring is still in place, but I think it is ... The gun was pretty well taken care of !
I will take her home tonight and fill her to about 2600 and wait ? If she holds air I will put on a Discovery scope, sight her in and use her next time out ;- ) If she doesn't hold air , she will have a poppet operation when my lathe arrives ;- )
wll
Filled her up about a hour and a half ago to 3000psi ... so far it SEEMS to be hold .... tomorrow morning will be the tale of the tape for sure.
wll
Well, just checked again and she is leaking about 100psi every 1 1/2 hrs, I did not notice the first 100psi.
Since I don’t have my lathe yet, I will have a couple custom spacers made on our laser machine, put in the back of the inside of the cup, I have .005 material I think and .010 material...when that is finished, I can redo the poppet that duy sent me, fit one of the others and get these guns running.
Darn :-(
wll
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Good morning FuzzyGrub
Curious to know how detailed the the Liberty 22 to 25 caliber conversion would be
Is there info addressing the topic somewhere in the forum?
Ed
Not that I'm aware of. I know Duy will be working on a Liberty 25 cal conversion soon. I'm sure he will post some info. My bet his will be more high-powered and slinging slugs. :) Mine will be more for JSB 25 and 34g pellets. When I do start it, will have a GTA thread going, and usually I detail it enough such that other DIYer's can follow. ie like my Fortitude 25 cal conversion.
Thanks, John
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I think getting a fully operational and accurate parts gun, is a thing of the past. Given some issue, leaks have a high likelihood to be able to repair at low cost, vs say a bad barrel. Jmho
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I think getting a fully operational and accurate parts gun, is a thing of the past. Given some issue, leaks have a high likelihood to be able to repair at low cost, vs say a bad barrel. Jmho
John, I think so too .. I think if you get a parts gun you most likely will need to do a poppet fix or maybe some type of "O" ring fix.
The last two wood Liberties I received are beautiful guns and looked like new, but leak more then my bladder ;- )
wll
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I think getting a fully operational and accurate parts gun, is a thing of the past. Given some issue, leaks have a high likelihood to be able to repair at low cost, vs say a bad barrel. Jmho
John, I think so too .. I think if you get a parts gun you most likely will need to do a poppet fix or maybe some type of "O" ring fix.
The last two wood Liberties I received are beautiful guns and looked like new, but leak more then my bladder ;- )
wll
At least you can empty your bladder! lol
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I think getting a fully operational and accurate parts gun, is a thing of the past. Given some issue, leaks have a high likelihood to be able to repair at low cost, vs say a bad barrel. Jmho
John, I think so too .. I think if you get a parts gun you most likely will need to do a poppet fix or maybe some type of "O" ring fix.
The last two wood Liberties I received are beautiful guns and looked like new, but leak more then my bladder ;- )
wll
At least you can empty your bladder! lol
Lol, lol, lol
wll
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Well tomorrow I'll have the funds to have my Sherline sent back to the factory, and then I'm waiting for the 5/16/8mm Delrin rods.
I should be able to make quite a few once the lathe is set up as It is just drilling and parting ... no using two drill bits or having to turn anything down ... way to time consuming for me.... I plan on ending up with a ~.3125 od Delrin piece that is .260 long and has a .160-.166 hole drilled through it that fits in the cup .... and that is it !!!
It will be a piece that you pull your old soft poppet inset out and replace it with this .... that is it !! You may need to find c-clips that are a bit thinner then the original thick clip as my pieces will be about .010 longer than factory. This will give the end user the option to sand this insert poppet piece down and trim the ss cup or not if he or she wishes.
I plan on making a few of these for folks that can use them, if they don't take me more than a few minutes to make once set up. (no charge, lower 48)
It is a pretty sorry state of affairs when the manufacturer could have very easily solved this problem. ... Please manufacturer don't blame the end user who is having this issue when they have not taken the gun apart !!!
When I get the lathe and the delrin rod in I will report back !
wll
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Will, a very generous offer to GTA members!
FWIW: The C-clip is rather unique, and not standard fare to be found at McMasterCarr. I ended up using a split lock washer, cutting and crushing, for my 2nd poppet that was missing the c-clip. I located an E-clip that might work, but it is significantly thinner at 0.5mm. It would take at least three of them to fill the slot. https://www.mcmaster.com/98317a204 (https://www.mcmaster.com/98317a204) It indicates that it is for a 1.9mm groove and I measured 2mm with my HF calipers. It might be tight.
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Will, a very generous offer to GTA members!
FWIW: The C-clip is rather unique, and not standard fare to be found at McMasterCarr. I ended up using a split lock washer, cutting and crushing, for my 2nd poppet that was missing the c-clip. I located an E-clip that might work, but it is significantly thinner at 0.5mm. It would take at least three of them to fill the slot. https://www.mcmaster.com/98317a204 (https://www.mcmaster.com/98317a204) It indicates that it is for a 1.9mm groove and I measured 2mm with my HF calipers. It might be tight.
Yes, I saw that one and there is one that has just a tiny bit larger ID. One of my buddies has some small c-clips here at work, so I will check those out. With the way I plan on making these being ~.10 longer the thinner c-clip may work.
We will see.
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5 Minutes later ;- )
His c-clip does work and it is .015 thick and 3/32OD, don't know the ID, i think it is around.074 ?
wll
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As a side note, my poppet started leaking again just before I replaced it with a DC valve using a peek poppet. Had a heck of a time getting it to seal but finally did and it held pressure all of the way down to 0 psi. When I went to release the pressure so I can fix my sticking hammer problem I released a little then listened to see if it was leaking air then repeated until there was no more air and it held all of the way down where before once I got below 2000 it would release all of the air.
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Well the lathe is on its way back to me ... extra tools have been ordered and come in this Friday along with the Delrin rod .... by Monday at the latest I should be making parts ;- )
wll
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Well the lathe is on its way back to me ... extra tools have been ordered and come in this Friday along with the Delrin rod .... by Monday at the latest I should be making parts ;- )
wll
That was a quick turn-around! :)
PS: I just talked to Ty and have a 177 parts gun on the way. I would have preferred a wood, but oh well. No wood 22's either, but did say some 22 synthetics parts gun in stock.
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i got the .22 wood
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If I buy one more parts gun I would appreciate it if a group of you guys would come over to my house and beat some sense into me ;- )
wll
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Wow Will that is great of you!! I may hit you for a couple once I get my get parts guns in. I’m just down the way from in Agua Dulce and would be more than happy to come pick it up and get shoot a few pellets down range.
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If I buy one more parts gun I would appreciate it if a group of you guys would come over to my house and beat some sense into me ;- )
wll
Address??? I got some frustration I need to get rid of!! lol
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If I buy one more parts gun I would appreciate it if a group of you guys would come over to my house and beat some sense into me ;- )
wll
And I thought I was over the edge with 3 Freedoms! Only one is a "parts gun" though... ;)
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Kerry I've got two of them myself, they're both warranty free ones, the first one is the one that I use a lot, I did have to fix the pump on it but not until I had it for a while, when I took it apart I seen where the person that had it before me had attempted to fix the pump previously and did manage to get it work (kinda) well I had to repair some of his mistakes that poor assembly of it messed up with some bad burr's but all is good now. I simply have a blast with that thing everytime that I'm out with it. The only thing you gotta worry about with a good working Freedom are pellets and I'll always have plenty of those with me 8)
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Well i did some work on my wooden parts gun.
This was the first time i took it down to the valve area and i was surprised how easy it is.. I did this total operation in about 15 minutes. (Not including the re-manufacturing of the inside of the poppet).
!) Took stock off
2)Took barrel off
3) Twisted apart the two bottom halves ... the side that came out with mine was the end with the poppet.
4) Pulled old poppet out and replaced it with a poppet that was taken apart, soft section turned around, a .010 shim put in the cup and reassembled, and a small c-clip put in.
5) Then the gun reassembled !
I will fill her up tonight and see if this makeshift poppet fix works. The poppet that I pulled out of this gun had the soft material not close to even with the lip of the cup .... this poppet could never function like it came from the factory. The rest of the gun is designed very well and it is very, very easy to take down and the layout with the "O" rings is done very well. With "O" rings in your kit, This gun will last a very, very long time if nothing mechanical breaks.
In the meanwhile my lathe should arrive today and other parts tomorrow so I can start to make some Delrin poppet inserts.
This is turning into an exciting adventure.
wll
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Very excited to see how you make out with it. Especially with your poppets. I have one, synthetic and have just taken off the stock and swapped the trigger screws. Messed up something on the front as i can't get those screws to get tight again. Will figure it out over the weekend.
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Made some pieces, all are .268-.271 in length. Should have room for the small diameter c-clips.
The problem is the OD was way over sized about .025.... Bummer and the next bummer is I have to drill the .166 hole on my other lathe ;-( I will do that tomorrow.
Once they are drilled out, they will be ready, but the OD must be turned down by the end user, unless I can find a easy way ?
(https://photos.imageevent.com/wlleven/k10dtest/downloadphotos/Parts%20sm.png)
Well the is it so far.
wll
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Very excited to see how you make out with it. Especially with your poppets. I have one, synthetic and have just taken off the stock and swapped the trigger screws. Messed up something on the front as i can't get those screws to get tight again. Will figure it out over the weekend.
Did they have tread locker? Can't remember now if mine did. Darn CRS!!
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Got home, filled gun to 3000psi, after about an hour it looked like she was leaking a bit, about ~50psi. Out to dinner now, will check when I get back. I don’t like the fact this gun may still leak, I don’t want to take it apart again, I’m assuming other “0” rings are working.
Will work on Delrin pieces when I get to the office tomorrow.
I’m hoping I can make them nicely and they work.
wll
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Very excited to see how you make out with it. Especially with your poppets. I have one, synthetic and have just taken off the stock and swapped the trigger screws. Messed up something on the front as i can't get those screws to get tight again. Will figure it out over the weekend.
Did they have tread locker? Can't remember now if mine did. Darn CRS!!
Probably they were pretty tight. Did i strip something?
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Here are a few of the Delrin poppets,.now the only thing to do is sand down about .010-.015 off the diameter.. The ends are smooth as heck by the way.. I think taking off this last bit is going to take some time ;- (
(https://photos.imageevent.com/wlleven/k10dtest/downloadphotos/Poppets%202%20sm_1.png)
wll
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Very nice work Will ...
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Will
Those look great. Maybe you just need a few shots to seal things in.
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Here are a few of the Delrin poppets. I think taking off this last bit is going to take some time ;- (
wll
Can you get them mounted and centered on the lathe? (Like pinch them between two 'cones'?)
can you glue oiled sandpaper to a chunk of brass thats on your tool holder?
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Here are some Liberty Poppet inserts that I just completed ;- )
(https://photos.imageevent.com/wlleven/k10dtest/downloadphotos/bagged%20Poppetssm.png)
They are .
.265-.272 long
.315-.319 OD
.166 ID
Each one comes with two thin washers so the extra length should fit the poppet stem groove with the thin c-clips, you probably need only one c-clips
These are all a tad bit over size, so you may have to do a little work on them but not much.
If you are need of a poppet for your Liberty, PM me and I will send out one.
I have not tried these in my gun yet, but I will next week ... you guys are my Guinea pigs ;- )
wll
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Looking good will 👍!
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I'll pm you as soon as i have a way of pumping up all my 'non-freedom' pcp's!
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Well done.
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I took my two wooden Liberties apart and replaced the soft internal poppet material with the Delrin inserts I made. They fit in just perfectly. They had ~015+ of Delrin sticking out the front of the poppet cup. Once the original soft material was removed the poppet shaft fit the ID of the insert nice and snug (lightly pounded/pressed in). I put the shaft in after the insert was installed in the cup. I used one c-clip in the poppet shaft groove.
For those of you that have not taken the gun apart, it is a piece of cake ... you will need a bit of room to work, all three stock holding screws come out easily, and removing the air release screw helps in taking the gun apart.. You WILL want to remove the barrel band as the can bind up stock removal, also put the band on last when assembling. Used DuPont 111 on all the threads as it is used as a blocking agent sometimes too. If you don't have 111 (most of you won't) a good silicone grease will work fine.
(https://photos.imageevent.com/wlleven/k10dtest/downloadphotos/Poppet%20donesm.png)
There is one other thing that is a manufacturing fault with this gun ... and the is the spring that holds the poppet seated on the valve ... a horrible design that could have been EASILY rectified by just grinding the ends so the spring fits flush with the back of the poppet, the rest of the gun is a dream to work on and the manufactured problems can all be resolved..
I will take them home in a bit and fill with air, I'm hoping they hold air for sure !! I flipped the insides of the poppet in Timber last week and it still leaked ... When I took it apart today the soft material was totally flattened out and even with the cup lip .....that material is WAY, WAY, WAY to soft !!
As a manufacturer myself, doing this kind of mistake can do major harm to your product, you better have great customer service and rectify the situation fast !!
Here is a pic of my two wooden Liberties after poppet fix ........ The one on the left is Timber, the other is Woodstock. You will notice they each have a DonnyFL adapter on the end ;- )
(https://photos.imageevent.com/wlleven/k10dtest/downloadphotos/Two%20Libery%20Woods%20sm.png)
wll
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Those 2 Liberties look great. So does that last poppet! (Can I buy 4 of them from you?) (SERIOUSLY!)
I took a first look at my 100$ liberty (Wood), took the action out and the reservoir (plenum?) wasn’t even finger tight. I spun it off, added 3 wraps of Tef-tape, and will snug it down at final assembly (can you imagine if that is all that was wrong with it?!?!)
But, I can’t pump it up to test yet - What 50 dollar pump should I get? Are they all the same? Any PM’s for suggestions would be great.
On reassembly, my front swivel screw was not perfectly lined up with the nut (the nut is IN the tube-support) - so ...
get the stock ALMOST all the way on, get that screw started, and THEN push the action home, and put in the rear machine screw (shouldered).
I will move that band slightly - to line it up better - on final assembly in a week or 3.
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How do you tell them apart? The grain patterns in the checkering?
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the reservoir (plenum?) wasn’t even finger tight. I spun it off, added 3 wraps of Tef-tape, and will snug it down at final assembly (can you imagine if that is all that was wrong with it?!?!)
Those threads are not pipe threads. You need to take the tape off. Make sure no pieces are left inside, they will quickly migrate to valve and cause issues. There should be an o-ring in the groove that provides the sealing. One of my parts gun leaked there, and the o-ring was squished outside of the groove. Unfortunately, that was not the only leak. ;)
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How do you tell them apart? The grain patterns in the checkering?
Yes, that is about the only way ;- )
When both of these guns are working i will set them up to shoot JSB 18.13 gr'rs in the 905-925fps area. That gives me the flat trajectory I want to about 45-50- yards and enough energy for Ground Squirrels, Jack Rabbets and the like !
wll
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I got both guns home and set to fill them, the first was my latest parts gun, Timber.
As I started to fill I could see she was leaking, I quickly fired off a couple dry fire shots and the leaking greatly slowed down, I shot a couple more times and the leaking stopped. I filled to 3000 and that is where she sits. It has been an hour and nothing has changed... we will see what tonight brings.
I go to see about my other wood parts gun, Woodstock.....she starts to fill and I fire a few shots and pressure starts to climb to about 2700 then “POP”....air out the under the tank I think, I don’t think it was the safety valve.... I’m pretty sure it was the “O” ring on the regulator dial side as when I was screwing it in I saw some rubber shavings and I bet it just popped. It was my fault for not putting in a new “O” ring right away. That “O” ring looked funny from the moment I took it out :-(
So tomorrow instead of hunting, I’ll be working on my guns “O” rings :-((((
I’ll bring my silicone grease, O rings and tank ..... to see if I can get her up and running.
So far I’m happy the first gun has been holding an hour :-)
wll
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Thanks Fuzz, for the n00b help.
WLL, looks like lots of o rings are getting replaced nationwide.
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I had the same problem with the sling swivel front screw not lining up. I loosened everything slightly in order to get it to line up then tightened that first and worked back. now all are tight and it shot nice groups yesterday.
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Thanks Fuzz, for the n00b help.
NP. We have all been there. Ask here on Gta and we will help. :)
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I got both guns home and set to fill them, the first was my latest parts gun, Timber.
As I started to fill I could see she was leaking, I quickly fired off a couple dry fire shots and the leaking greatly slowed down, I shot a couple more times and the leaking stopped. I filled to 3000 and that is where she sits. It has been an hour and nothing has changed... we will see what tonight brings.
I go to see about my other wood parts gun, Woodstock.....she starts to fill and I fire a few shots and pressure starts to climb to about 2700 then “POP”....air out the under the tank I think, I don’t think it was the safety valve.... I’m pretty sure it was the “O” ring on the regulator dial side as when I was screwing it in I saw some rubber shavings and I bet it just popped. It was my fault for not putting in a new “O” ring right away. That “O” ring looked funny from the moment I took it out :-(
So tomorrow instead of hunting, I’ll be working on my guns “O” rings :-((((
I’ll bring my silicone grease, O rings and tank ..... to see if I can get her up and running.
So far I’m happy the first gun has been holding an hour :-)
wll
The wood gun I thought was holding air is not .... I have more work to do for sure. I will fill the gun the was holding air and shoot a bunch of shots to see if i can wear the poppet insert in ;- )
wll
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Took the gun that went POP yesterday back to the office and took her apart. .. Three possible things i found
1) The regulator smaller screw side was loose ... and this can't be as the "O" ring sits in a a recess facing the outside ... If it is not fully compressed it will leak !! IMHO if you take the gun apart, screw this section in first and tighten it down very snugly ... then screw in the regulator section with the white "O" ring till it just doesn't touch. .. be sure the first side you screwed in is secure
2) The other thing I found was my poppet stem had slipped down a tiny bit on the Delrin insert, so pressed it back into position and added a second c-clip in the poppet stem groove.
3) The tank was not screwed in tightly, so I tightened that also.
I put the gun back together and will see if she holds air.
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The other gun that leaked over night still had a tiny bit of air in her, so I filled her back up and as the gun was hooked up to my tank yet shut off but the tank gauge working, I fired a series of about six shots .... noticing the pressure going down about 50 + psi per shot ..... after about eight or ten more shots, I noticed the gun was not quite using that much air, it had changed a bit and that may be a good sign.
The gun is at home with about 2800 psi in it, so when I get home we will see if she is sitting the same ;- )
wll
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When I got my Liberty the tank was lose and the poppet leaked. Fix them both and didn't leak for a very long time. The poppet is starting to leak again but I've already got a delron poppet for it from Duy plus I don't even have the stock valve in the rifle. I have one of Duy's DC valves with a peek poppet and it's holding very good. I was a pain to get it to stop leaking at first butI used very fine valve lapping paste to burnish it in and that did the trick. I also found that the surface that seals the bleed screw was very ruff so I used a 6mm flanged nut, screwed in the screw until there was only maybe .010 to .020 exposed out the bottom using my calibrated eye ball to measure, lol and using a figure 8 motion smoothed down the end of the screw so it would seal.
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Got home and filled the gun that went POP (the gun I worked on today) well she didn’t go pop again and she MAY be holding ...
The gun that leaked —— leaked big time today .... filled her up and as I cocked to do some test shots, I heard leaking from the open breach, closed her up and air was pouring out the barrel
I will take her apart again and check the poppet.... it may be the poppet spring causing some issues as it is bent as heck !!
I will put in another c-clip in her also !
wll
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Will,
My only thought on the “pop” that maybe the valve wasn’t fully seated. They push in to get the set screw in the center of the “V”.
Sounds like the poppet is leaking on one. If burnishing doesn’t seal it, try making one with a smaller hole that you press the stem in. Yours might be leaking around the stem.
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I agree with John. The valve proably wasn't seated all of the way. I hope when moved to seat all of the way it didn't nick a oring the seals the valve into the receiver.
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Got home and filled the gun that went POP (the gun I worked on today) well she didn’t go pop again and she MAY be holding ...
The gun that leaked —— leaked big time today .... filled her up and as I cocked to do some test shots, I heard leaking from the open breach, closed her up and air was pouring out the barrel
I will take her apart again and check the poppet.... it may be the poppet spring causing some issues as it is bent as heck !!
I will put in another c-clip in her also !
wll
Before leaving for work I checked the gun that went POP ... she is holding perfectly ... this gun is done. I will bring in the other gun to work tomorrow and work on that poppet !
wll
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So are you going to call that one weasel? lol
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So are you going to call that one weasel? lol
Robert, very funny .. I should !
wll
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My 177 parts gun just arrived. Gun looks complete and has about 1Kpsi in it. Sights, ss tray, spare probe O-rings, allen keys, and fill probe. Only one mag, but no issue there.
It came with a loose in the box barrel band. It is not the one for the Liberty, and probably is a Freedom one. If someone needs this barrel band, send me an IM.
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Got home and filled the gun that went POP (the gun I worked on today) well she didn’t go pop again and she MAY be holding ...
The gun that leaked —— leaked big time today .... filled her up and as I cocked to do some test shots, I heard leaking from the open breach, closed her up and air was pouring out the barrel
I will take her apart again and check the poppet.... it may be the poppet spring causing some issues as it is bent as heck !!
I will put in another c-clip in her also !
wll
Before leaving for work I checked the gun that went POP ... she is holding perfectly ... this gun is done. I will bring in the other gun to work tomorrow and work on that poppet !
wll
Got home early and sighted in "POP" Four shots and she was sighted in. Gun seems to be snappier with the Delrin poppet as compared to the soft poppet ? Maybe it is just my imagination, don't know ?
I have the other gun ready to take to work and re-do poppet and poppet spring tomorrow ! Getting both these guns working will be great !
wll
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Gun seems to be snappier with the Delrin poppet as compared to the soft poppet ? Maybe it is just my imagination, don't know ?
wll
I thought the same and plan to do a before/after string on the next one I do.
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I'm really surprised that my Freedom has been holding up as long as it has after all the use that I've given it ??? I'm sure that eventually it'll start leaking at the poppet also.
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I'm really surprised that my Freedom has been holding up as long as it has after all the use that I've given it ??? I'm sure that eventually it'll start leaking at the poppet also.
Given the higher pressures seen on the freedom poppet, I would have expected to be hearing about more leaks than the Liberty. It seems like just the opposite.
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Got to the office this am and took leaking liberty apart, the air tube was nice and tight and the small thread side of the regulator was in place tight also, nice and smooth around the edges with no pinched "O" ring .. so I think that is good.
Took the poppet out and installed another small c-clip in the groove and straightened out the poppet spring.. made sure the spring was well centered before and while I put it back together. The only thing I did not do is put plastic epoxy in the poppet area ... I wonder if that is something that needs to be done ?
When I get home today I will fill and see if she holds ... if not I will put in another poppet insert and add some epoxy for insurance. The leak from last time with this gun was the air coming out the barrel .. it was leaking pretty fast.
wll
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Got to the office this am and took leaking liberty apart, the air tube was nice and tight and the small thread side of the regulator was in place tight also, nice and smooth around the edges with no pinched "O" ring .. so I think that is good.
Took the poppet out and installed another small c-clip in the groove and straightened out the poppet spring.. made sure the spring was well centered before and while I put it back together. The only thing I did not do is put plastic epoxy in the poppet area ... I wonder if that is something that needs to be done ?
When I get home today I will fill and see if she holds ... if not I will put in another poppet insert and add some epoxy for insurance. The leak from last time with this gun was the air coming out the barrel .. it was leaking pretty fast.
wll
Went home to see if she held air .... very, very close but no cigar ! .. I can feel an ever so slight bit of air coming out of the barrel ... very, very slow but it is there.
I will take gun apart tomorrow, remove poppet insert and apply epoxy in the ID of the poppet and on the inside of the cup. If that doesn't work I'll put in my spare poppet.
I think the straightening out of the spring may have helped along with the addition of the second c-clip. I may put the poppet in and spin it in a drill against the poppet seat for about 3-5 seconds to see if that soothes things out so I can get a seal.
wll
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The other gun is holding air without any loss, she is ready to rock this weekend !!!
wll
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The one that is holding air, is that the weasel?
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The one that is holding air, is that the weasel?
Yes, her real name is Woodstock, she doesn’t want to be known as Weasel ... lol, lol, lol. She is sensitive:-)
wll
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My daughter is a clinical neuro psychologist, you may want to contact her before this gets any worse....
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Warren
I need your daughter's number, just from READING their posts.
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My daughter is a clinical neuro psychologist, you may want to contact her before this gets any worse....
Does she like airguns too?
Sorry, had to do it
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My daughter is a clinical neuro psychologist, you may want to contact her before this gets any worse....
I think you have a brand new, and novel approach to leaks! TALK the Nova's in to not leaking any more!!!!!
Does electroshock therapy have different results with wood and plastic stocks?
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My daughter is a clinical neuro psychologist, you may want to contact her before this gets any worse....
Does she do phone consultations? ;)
I really need it! I purchased my 4th parts gun this week and it should be here tomorrow. That's after receiving a syn 177 on Monday! So how did I justify it? Well, I really wanted a wood stock, but got tired of waiting for 177 wood. Well, I pulled the proverbial trigger last week, it was a little too soon. A wood 177 became available on Tuesday. Given a Mrod wood stock costs $100, I'm just upgrading to wood and get the rest of the gun for free. :D
Now one gun, with syn stock will be squirrelled away as a "true" parts gun. I have some mods I want to try, including a 25 cal conversion, but if a mess up, could waste a whole gun.
Sounded like a good justification to me ;)
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even if you mess it up. the 300 bar air tube alone is worth the cost of a parts gun to me.
now where did you find an Mrod for $100 or did i read it wrong for stock only
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even if you mess it up. the 300 bar air tube alone is worth the cost of a parts gun to me.
now where did you find an Mrod for $100 or did i read it wrong for stock only
Yes, stock only, directly from crosman parts. The last time I got pricing it was $96 + $4 shipping, but that was a couple of years ago. The Mrod syn stock was around $40.
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Took the leaking gun to work and took her apart. I took out the poppet and changed it as I did not like the way it looked after close examination. The removed poppet was totally redone in case I have another failure.
I'm hoping I did everything right this time !
wll
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Hawkeye51 I understand completely....
Silent Squirrel Don't know really but she supports iguana removal even though she is a left coaster.
Stikker sounds like you may be a good candidate for "tele-health"
Fuzzy see Stikker response and think facetime for shrinks.
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Not to -UN-hijack this thread ... :) ... but my pump showed up yesterday. I tried it out enough to put 1000 psi in my newest Nova *Franklin* - my $100 Liberty. (cANT USE "bENJAMIN" for description)
this morning, it had 1000 psi in it. I will check again tomorrow, and am hoping that there is no slow leak for a n00b to have to chase down.
There may yet be bargains to be had! (Sheesh, like you guys need ENCOURAGEMENT!)
Just don't turn your next one of these into a bench-rest shooter - that would make me a 'Tabler-Enabler'!
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It is my understanding that ATI is verifying all returned guns. My latest, a 177 syn, is holding pressure (2600psi) just fine. Groupings look good at 10yds, but the poi was much lower than it should be. Also, there might be a mag cycling issue. Two new 177 gauntlet mags were not working well. I haven't isolated it to the mags or the cocking action, but do remember a GTA member talking about a similar problem. Point is, outside of leaks, there might be other issues to work out. Most should be workable.
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Grub, if you take the action out of the stock, according to ATI, you void the warranty.
When I got the Liberty and took it out of the stock, it was VERY tight. (I dont think it had ever been taken out before, only inserted and screwed in.) I had a lot of wiggling to do - the stock was pinching the reservoir tube just in front of the 'block'(?)
Once I got the action out of the tube, the plenum was loose - i tightened it by HAND.
If ATI had checked it, I think that there would have been wood on the paint, and that the plenum would not have been unscrewed. And there would have been a new, unflattened oring. (HEY! What size is THAT one?)
So, I assume that they have a checklist of inspection, but I'm not convinced that it includes 'eyes' on the action.
Having said that, there has been nothing required for me to do on any of my "ATI rescues", just aim and plink ... (... and sand and paint, and carve, and hang a bunch of "farkles" on 'em!)
I do believe that they have stood behind these well. It's a shame that they can't let people check for leaks under warranty. They might have saved a lot of money. But I understand taking a hard line about "peeking under the hood".
I gotta go, I have a Liberty to pressure check!
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Anyone checked to see if they have any wood stocked non warranty Liberty's lately ???
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I put an order in for a wood liberty on Sep 4th. Ty said he has it on hand. i just called them and check since it's late. He told me we talked on the phone about not having any Liberty to ship. i never got the call on my phone or talked to him after the order. What a bummer, i think he might have called someone else...So i am short a wood liberty.
no Liberty as of right now, a lot of Freedoms though
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Took the leaking gun to work and took her apart. I took out the poppet and changed it as I did not like the way it looked after close examination. The removed poppet was totally redone in case I have another failure.
I'm hoping I did everything right this time !
wll
Back to the drawing board again, she is leaking from the poppet pretty bad. I will try the poppet I just redid today and try spinning it on the seal to see if that works. and if that does not work, I will make a totally new poppet out of Delrin .. This gun is very finicky.
BTW: I think it is time for an intervention ... Their are WAY to many folks buying parts guns ;- )
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From my discussions with Ty, he can see on his system when the returns are in-house. He said they go through some verification, but I have no idea how thorough that is. For example, he knew a couple a weeks ago that a 177 wood was in-house but hadn't been released for sale. When I checked back two weeks latter, there was only syn. On Monday, I send him an email letting him know I received it, and looked complete. In that note, I asked him to let me know when either a 177 or 22 wood became available. I was expecting to have to check back in a few weeks, but was told one was in hand. Tomorrow, it should be in mine. :) With Ty, I think its worth following up every couple of weeks. I don't think he quires anything unless a request comes in.
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Fuzzy, if it becomes a true parts gun if you get the chance I need a tracing of the semi v shaped cocking linkage with the measurements. A Liberty or Freedom either one will work it's the same linkage on both guns.
Thanks
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Fuzzy, if it becomes a true parts gun if you get the chance I need a tracing of the semi v shaped cocking linkage with the measurements. A Liberty or Freedom either one will work it's the same linkage on both guns.
Thanks
Yes, I would do that for you. I haven't dis-assembled any of the bolts yet, but the day will be coming. Either looking into the 177 cycling issue, or for certain when I sleeve the bolt for the 25 cal conversion.
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Yeah Fuzz, I asked 3 weeks before I got notified of the last one available- I bought it on an “I-really-shouldn’t-but-ok” whim , otherwise follow ups would have been advisable.
It looks like there were a bunch of pending requests before I called. “Like hot cakes,yo!”
No complaints, though. If it was not actually HELD for me, I am going to pretend that it was!
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Ok, that is it, I can’t stand it any longer ——- no one is allowed to have more parts guns than I do
I may have to make some phone calls :-)
wll
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Hmph.... I was one and done with my parts .177 Freedom. It's still as it was out of the box... I ain't pushing my luck.
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Ok, that is it, I can’t stand it any longer ——- no one is allowed to have more parts guns than I do
I may have to make some phone calls :-)
wll
Arrite, I lose track of IDs, but I thought you wanted people to come beat you with hundred dollar stocks to keep you from buying more hundred dollar ‘rescues’!?
Look on the bright side, I do less with mine than yoo doez!!!!! :)
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Ok, that is it, I can’t stand it any longer ——- no one is allowed to have more parts guns than I do
I may have to make some phone calls :-)
wll
Arrite, I lose track of IDs, but I thought you wanted people to come beat you with hundred dollar stocks to keep you from buying more hundred dollar ‘rescues’!?
Look on the bright side, I do less with mine than yoo doez!!!!! :)
I DID want folks to beat me if I got another Liberty ... BUT I HAVE A RIGHT TO CHANGE MY MIND ! LOL,LOL,LOL.
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I think i am done with buying Liberty parts gun. i have 2 already. i need to get a Freedom, because after disassembly the pump, i come to appreciate how its made compared to the hand pumps.
so ill have a oem freedom and a bottle freedom. one bottle liberty and oem liberty. that will be good.
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I think i am done with buying Liberty parts gun. i have 2 already. i need to get a Freedom, because after disassembly the pump, i come to appreciate how its made compared to the hand pumps.
so ill have a oem freedom and a bottle freedom. one bottle liberty and oem liberty. that will be good.
I'm the other way around duy, I might get me another warranty free Liberty in wood myself and it'll definitely be a .22 caliber. Even for the price of a new one under warranty these guns are well worth the money, they're very accurate once you get them where you want them with a good scope on them. I tried a Bug Buster 3-9x on my Liberty soon after I bought it but the scope doesn't do them justice, they need better optics IMO.
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I want to move my scope forward on the rescue liberty (I’m even thinking bullpupish).
Has anyone ever wanted to make a picatinny rail that screws on to the front sight barrel band, and clamps to the dovetail in front of the magazine? 16.5”long will do.
It could even be sloped a degree or two, and avoid shimming the scope.
HINT! : Make it FULL SIZED so I don’t have to use scope ring adapters!
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I think I over-compensated with Liberty’s since I didn’t need any Freedoms. :D.
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I'm not a poker player, but I am extremely satisfied with TWO PAIR!!!!!
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I'm not a poker player, but I am extremely satisfied with TWO PAIR!!!!!
Neither am I, but 5 of kind is very hard to beat! :D
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Again I don’t know much about poker, but I think that 5 of a kind will GET YOU beat!!!! :)
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Took the the gun apart in about 5 seconds and got to the poppet this am, there was absolutely no indent that I could see in the Delrin where sealing could occur to these old tired eyes. I put in the poppet that I reconditioned yesterday, stuck a pen in the spring, pushed down enough to give good compression to the spring and twisted it back and forth, hoping to smooth down any micro rough areas that I could and try to give the valve a place to seat. I did this a few minutes, so I now hope this works.
If this doesn't I have some SOLID one piece Delrin poppets I made, and if they don't work, I will buy some White Delrin to see if that seals better than the black Delrin ? (I think Ribbonstone said somewhere that the white may be a bit softer than the black).
I'm just hoping she holds when I fill her with air this afternoon, i think the burnishing I did will help solve the problem.
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I hope that it works for you. You have opened your Lib's up more than I have SHOT mine!
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Steve, in less than 30 min. I can have my Liberty taken apart into just parts. lol I've rezeroed my scope so many times it's totally confused!
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OK, so I'm getting sick and tired of you guys having more "PARTS" Liberty guns then I have ..... So I wrote Jennifer at ATI and she put me on the waiting list ;- )
Na Na NANA NA ;- )
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I can't tell whether you guys are RICH, or are BROKE!!!!! hahahaha
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I ONLY have one Liberty!! I do have a Aspen aka Freedom but my Liberty is getting all of the attention right now. I haven't shot my Aspen in a month. lol Heck, I haven't done much target shooting at all over the last month.
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I can't tell whether you guys are RICH, or are BROKE!!!!! hahahaha
I'm so broke now, I can't even Pay attention ;- )
wll
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My last Liberty arrived! :) A complete gun with good wood stock, iron sights, SS tray, spare probe O-rings, allen wrenches, and two mags. A fill probe was included, but it is way too small for a Liberty. Freedom? It had zero psi, which can be a good thing for a parts gun problem.
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my plenum just needed to be tightened! good luck!
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never broke just badly bent...
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Took the the gun apart in about 5 seconds and got to the poppet this am, there was absolutely no indent that I could see in the Delrin where sealing could occur to these old tired eyes. I put in the poppet that I reconditioned yesterday, stuck a pen in the spring, pushed down enough to give good compression to the spring and twisted it back and forth, hoping to smooth down any micro rough areas that I could and try to give the valve a place to seat. I did this a few minutes, so I now hope this works.
If this doesn't I have some SOLID one piece Delrin poppets I made, and if they don't work, I will buy some White Delrin to see if that seals better than the black Delrin ? (I think Ribbonstone said somewhere that the white may be a bit softer than the black).
I'm just hoping she holds when I fill her with air this afternoon, i think the burnishing I did will help solve the problem.
wll
Filled her up an hour and a half ago, and so far so good, she is staying right at 3000psi ... if she stays like this for a few more hours I think I'll be good. If she leaks a very, very little I think about 20 shots should settle things in. Since this is the first fill that is holding, I'm assuming the other O rings are settling in ?
I think possibly the big mistake I made was not burnishing in the poppet to the valve in the first place and maybe non of this would have happened ?
wll
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My last Liberty arrived! :) A complete gun with good wood stock, iron sights, SS tray, spare probe O-rings, allen wrenches, and two mags. A fill probe was included, but it is way too small for a Liberty. Freedom? It had zero psi, which can be a good thing for a parts gun problem.
There are actually two probes for the Freedom. One is for the air res. and comes with the gun. The other (smaller one) is for the precharged chamber. The fill port for that is under a cap on the front of the gun. That probe is not sent with the gun because they require the gun be sent back to them if you have issues in this area.
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Oooooh! If thats what you got, you just got LUCKY!!!!
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My last Liberty arrived! :) A complete gun with good wood stock, iron sights, SS tray, spare probe O-rings, allen wrenches, and two mags. A fill probe was included, but it is way too small for a Liberty. Freedom? It had zero psi, which can be a good thing for a parts gun problem.
There are actually two probes for the Freedom. One is for the air res. and comes with the gun. The other (smaller one) is for the precharged chamber. The fill port for that is under a cap on the front of the gun. That probe is not sent with the gun because they require the gun be sent back to them if you have issues in this area.
The Liberty probe is on top and the "surprise" probe on the bottom. I assume from your description it is the latter for the chamber.
The prior parts gun came with an extra barrel band from a Freedom.
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I can't tell whether you guys are RICH, or are BROKE!!!!! hahahaha
I'm so broke now, I can't even Pay attention ;- )
wll
But not broke enough to not change your mind I see. lol
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My last Liberty arrived! :) A complete gun with good wood stock, iron sights, SS tray, spare probe O-rings, allen wrenches, and two mags. A fill probe was included, but it is way too small for a Liberty. Freedom? It had zero psi, which can be a good thing for a parts gun problem.
There are actually two probes for the Freedom. One is for the air res. and comes with the gun. The other (smaller one) is for the precharged chamber. The fill port for that is under a cap on the front of the gun. That probe is not sent with the gun because they require the gun be sent back to them if you have issues in this area.
The Liberty probe is on top and the "surprise" probe on the bottom. I assume from your description it is the latter for the chamber.
The prior parts gun came with an extra barrel band from a Freedom.
Hey John, you want to sell that front barrel band? I'd really like to be able to install open sights on my Aspen.
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Took the the gun apart in about 5 seconds and got to the poppet this am, there was absolutely no indent that I could see in the Delrin where sealing could occur to these old tired eyes. I put in the poppet that I reconditioned yesterday, stuck a pen in the spring, pushed down enough to give good compression to the spring and twisted it back and forth, hoping to smooth down any micro rough areas that I could and try to give the valve a place to seat. I did this a few minutes, so I now hope this works.
If this doesn't I have some SOLID one piece Delrin poppets I made, and if they don't work, I will buy some White Delrin to see if that seals better than the black Delrin ? (I think Ribbonstone said somewhere that the white may be a bit softer than the black).
I'm just hoping she holds when I fill her with air this afternoon, i think the burnishing I did will help solve the problem.
wll
Filled her up an hour and a half ago, and so far so good, she is staying right at 3000psi ... if she stays like this for a few more hours I think I'll be good. If she leaks a very, very little I think about 20 shots should settle things in. Since this is the first fill that is holding, I'm assuming the other O rings are settling in ?
I think possibly the big mistake I made was not burnishing in the poppet to the valve in the first place and maybe non of this would have happened ?
wll
Well she is leaking, may not be from the poppet, very slow leak.
I have to fill my tank tomorrow, so I’ll fill this gun up to about 3000, and dry fire her till she is around 2300, and let her sit overnight.
I very well may go to 99 cent store and get some bubble soap, and test some other seals ?
wll
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Fuzzy
The pictured probe on bottom IS in fact the probe used to pre pressurize the reservoir, from the barrel end. Which is done with zero pressure on the breech side. Don't know if you need a standard fill probe for the Freedom, but Soupyyy made some. Might try him if you need the standard probe.
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My last Liberty arrived! :) A complete gun with good wood stock, iron sights, SS tray, spare probe O-rings, allen wrenches, and two mags. A fill probe was included, but it is way too small for a Liberty. Freedom? It had zero psi, which can be a good thing for a parts gun problem.
There are actually two probes for the Freedom. One is for the air res. and comes with the gun. The other (smaller one) is for the precharged chamber. The fill port for that is under a cap on the front of the gun. That probe is not sent with the gun because they require the gun be sent back to them if you have issues in this area.
The Liberty probe is on top and the "surprise" probe on the bottom. I assume from your description it is the latter for the chamber.
The prior parts gun came with an extra barrel band from a Freedom.
Yep, looks like you got some free Freedom parts.
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The barrel band will be going out to a GTA member today. If someone needs the probe, IM me, reasonable price.
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i'll take it. id rather have it and not need it than the other way around.
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OK, no more Freedom parts. :)
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The wood Liberty 177 had the degass open, so it was just depressurized for shipping, I suspect. No fast leaks, but might have a slow one. Shooting 10.3g at 960fps, where as the syn is 100fps slower. The wood's poi is where I'd expect to be, but seeing a bit erratic on grouping. Might need some barrel TLC.
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When I got home from vacation yesterday I had a brown box sitting on my porch from ATI. My parts guns arrived safe and sound. I picked up a .22 Liberty in a synthetic stock and a .22 Freedom. I pulled the Freedom out first. It came with one magazine and 2000 psi in it. It’s missing the fill probe, the single shot tray and one magazine. I tried to pump it but it was extremely difficult to pump. I went and got my silicone oil for my f10 and applied 3 drops to the seal area. Pumped it a few time and it was getting better so I applied a few drops, pumped a few more times and now it is pumping wonderfully. No issues it seems. It took about 35-40 pumps to get it up to 3000. I was able to sight in the iron the iron sights and this thing is super accurate at 10 yards. Pellet on pellet with iron sights!!! I can’t wait to put a scope on it.
I then pulled the Liberty out of the box. This gun was never even aired up or fired. All the accessories were there still wrapped and taped in the original plastic wrap. The only issue I found was the plastic piece that you have to pull the round plug out of to get to the screw to remove the stock was pryed out. No biggie to me that just means I don’t have to fiddle with removing the round plug. I filled it to 4000psi fired a couple shots and put it up for the night.
Both the Liberty and Freedom are still at the exact same psi that I left the last night. I looks like I got lucky, both guns didn’t need any work done on them and seem to be working great. These parts guns are the best deal going even if you have to tear into them. Such awesome guns at a ridiculous price.
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Big ole CONGRATS Zac !!
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Thank you Bill. I was fully expecting to have to tear into both guns to replaces seals or poppets but no need! I should go buy a lottery ticket now!
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Thank you Bill. I was fully expecting to have to tear into both guns to replaces seals or poppets but no need! I should go buy a lottery ticket now!
I hear ya... like I said earlier.. I got lucky with my $100 Freedom. Only a small over night leak that I'm not even worried about. I don't feel the need to push my luck with another one. Wouldn't mind having a .22 Liberty in synthetic stock but not so much that I would pursue one taking the chance again on getting a good one.
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When I got home from vacation yesterday I had a brown box sitting on my porch from ATI. My parts guns arrived safe and sound. I picked up a .22 Liberty in a synthetic stock and a .22 Freedom. I pulled the Freedom out first. It came with one magazine and 2000 psi in it. It’s missing the fill probe, the single shot tray and one magazine. I tried to pump it but it was extremely difficult to pump. I went and got my silicone oil for my f10 and applied 3 drops to the seal area. Pumped it a few time and it was getting better so I applied a few drops, pumped a few more times and now it is pumping wonderfully. No issues it seems. It took about 35-40 pumps to get it up to 3000. I was able to sight in the iron the iron sights and this thing is super accurate at 10 yards. Pellet on pellet with iron sights!!! I can’t wait to put a scope on it.
I then pulled the Liberty out of the box. This gun was never even aired up or fired. All the accessories were there still wrapped and taped in the original plastic wrap. The only issue I found was the plastic piece that you have to pull the round plug out of to get to the screw to remove the stock was pryed out. No biggie to me that just means I don’t have to fiddle with removing the round plug. I filled it to 4000psi fired a couple shots and put it up for the night.
Both the Liberty and Freedom are still at the exact same psi that I left the last night. I looks like I got lucky, both guns didn’t need any work done on them and seem to be working great. These parts guns are the best deal going even if you have to tear into them. Such awesome guns at a ridiculous price.
Zac, You are a lucky pup, I'm still working on sealing on of mine. Thought i had it yesterday but no cigar.
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Congrats Zac
Two guns, and no major issues is a home run. Your going to need more pellets!
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Yes I got very lucky!!! It doesn’t happen often so I’ll take it!
I just chronied both guns and they are both about what I would expect for stock otb guns. The Liberty is getting 60shots at 30FPE shooting JSB 18.13. This was from 3900psi down to 2100psi where it fell off the regulator. The regulator on this Liberty seems to working great. All shots except the first one and last two were within a 4% es with many within a 2% es. That is much better than my first Liberty otb. Same manufacturer date on the tube 5-18.
The Freedom I am getting 10 shots from 3000-2000 psi with an average of 28FPE. It looks like I should be filling to about 2800psi and shoot down to 2200 psi on the Freedom to keep a 4%es but the first shot and last were both like 4.5% es so not bad!
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Did you figure out the leak Will?
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Did you figure out the leak Will?
No, I thought it could be from the de-gas screw so I put heavy Molycote on the threads and that did not do it.
I'm taking the gun to the office tomorrow to re burnish the poppet and wrap the de-gas screw with Teflon tape.
wll
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Did you figure out the leak Will?
No, I thought it could be from the de-gas screw so I put heavy Molycote on the threads and that did not do it.
I'm taking the gun to the office tomorrow to re burnish the poppet and wrap the de-gas screw with Teflon tape.
wll
Hello Will
I realize that you guys know way more than I do about air rifles of all sorts ; and the Nova line specifically.
However may I suggest you try only 1 fix at a time
Are you actually getting soapy water to bubble around the degassing screw?
I take it you do have air in the balloon or you would not suspect the poppet.
Just my novice 2 cents FWIW
Ed
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Tonight at at 9p ends 2 x 24 hour leak tests on my Liberty
Will update to the thread after that
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Did you figure out the leak Will?
No, I thought it could be from the de-gas screw so I put heavy Molycote on the threads and that did not do it.
I'm taking the gun to the office tomorrow to re burnish the poppet and wrap the de-gas screw with Teflon tape.
wll
Hello Will
I realize that you guys know way more than I do about air rifles of all sorts ; and the Nova line specifically.
However may I suggest you try only 1 fix at a time
Are you actually getting soapy water to bubble around the degassing screw?
I take it you do have air in the balloon or you would not suspect the poppet.
Just my novice 2 cents FWIW
Ed
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Tonight at at 9p ends 2 x 24 hour leak tests on my Liberty
Will update to the thread after that
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You are absolutely correct, but being I have no patience what so ever, I'm doing both at the same time .. if it leaks, then the leak is coming from someplace else.. I will also unscrew the safety screw and re tighten that with Teflon tape.. I want to make sure that all the possible easy to get to leak areas are very secure.
wll
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Patients grasshopper!! I'm definitely not an expert just sharing what I've found with my Liberty. Heck, I haven't even tore into my Aspen/Freedom.
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You are absolutely correct, but being I have no patience what so ever, I'm doing both at the same time .. if it leaks, then the leak is coming from someplace else.. I will also unscrew the safety screw and re tighten that with Teflon tape.. I want to make sure that all the possible easy to get to leak areas are very secure.
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That too make perfect sense, Will
Go for it, of course
As for me; patience is my only virtue.
ED
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Patients grasshopper!! I'm definitely not an expert just sharing what I've found with my Liberty. Heck, I haven't even tore into my Aspen/Freedom.
you don't want to tear into the freedom. its not as easy as the liberty. there is a "pitfall" if you are not careful removing the small pressure tube under the barrel...dry fire dont empty thee pressures in there...
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I know Duy, all about the pressure chamber set around 1800 psi. I have the probe to pressurize the chamber back up.
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Did you figure out the leak Will?
No, I thought it could be from the de-gas screw so I put heavy Molycote on the threads and that did not do it.
I'm taking the gun to the office tomorrow to re burnish the poppet and wrap the de-gas screw with Teflon tape.
wll
Ed
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Tonight at at 9p ends 2 x 24 hour leak tests on my Liberty
Will update to the thread after that
Well gentlemen ,here's the latest on my Liberty leak saga
In our last episode the rifle failed the balloon test; and a leak was found at the degassing screw.
For now, the degassing leak has been stopped with some silicone NLG-1 grease on the threads.
I pumped the gun to 4600
Dry fired down to 4000
- With a balloon on the barrel; and the threads greased, the gun held 4000 lbs for 24 hours; & there was air in the balloon (soft not firm)
- I removed the balloon, thinking it might be working as a seal for the barrel
- 24 hours later the gauge still read 4000
(or maybe 1/4 of a needle width lower. I honestly cannot see a difference & cannot see it in gauge photos either)
I do not know what to make of this yet.
I have put the balloon back on the barrel & will check it for air in the morning
Thoughts & input appreciated
Ed
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Sounds like you may have got it taken care of. A quarter of a needle could just be temperature related. Or, 4000 psi is enough to seal the poppet. Drop it to 2500 and see if it holds overnight.
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Sounds like you may have got it taken care of. A quarter of a needle could just be temperature related. Or, 4000 psi is enough to seal the poppet. Drop it to 2500 and see if it holds overnight.
I sure hope it's taken care of RDB
But I am now a little confused about the balloon test
Pressure remains as it was at 4000; but there was air in the balloon this morning.
Not much.
Just enough to give the balloon shape
I have dry fired the rifle down to 2600 (42 dry fire shots on HIGH)
Watching again for 12-24 hours.
Ed
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Silent Squirrel
If there is ANY air in the balloon, it represents a leak. Sounds like your leak is very, very small. You have to weigh the advantage of fixing it verses just leaving it alone. It might even get better with just shooting it.
If the leak gets worse later, you can always tear into it then, and work on the poppet. If it was me & the leak was that small, I would just shoot the gun a while. If your hand pumping to fill and you don"t shoot very often that might be diffefent.
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Silent Squirrel
If there is ANY air in the balloon, it represents a leak. Sounds like your leak is very, very small. You have to weigh the advantage of fixing it verses just leaving it alone. It might even get better with just shooting it.
If the leak gets worse later, you can always tear into it then, and work on the poppet. If it was me & the leak was that small, I would just shoot the gun a while[/b[/color]]. If your hand pumping to fill and you don"t shoot very often that might be diffefent.
I agree, Mike
If the 2600psi holds overnight I'm going to put it back together & begin shooting the rifle
I may pull the barrel & clean it before reassembling
As far as I know, it's never been cleaned; and it's easier to do off the gun
Ed
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After a few weeks off, I'm taking my wooden Liberty back to work tomorrow and taking her apart. Going to re-polish the poppet by putting it in a drill and pressing it against the brass valve, then I'm making sure the safety plug is screwed it tight. After that I'm wrapping the release air screw in Teflon tape to make sure nothing leaks.
She then will be put back together and filled, and then the waiting game begins.
I hope this fixes my air leakage problem !
wll
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In PCP game grass hopper one must learn patients. It is not wise to hurry through life's, er PCP's problems.
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Took the leaking wood Liberty to work and took her apart.
I spun the poppet under hand pressure for about 10 seconds, on and off to make sure it was nice and smooth and fit will in the brass valve ... It looked good ;- )
I then took out the air release screw, and yes there was a place for a small ball detent .. I put about 3 wraps Teflon tape around the screw and put it back in .... and then something strange happened that I did not notice before ... when I screwed it in all the way tight, the screw backed out about a micron of a turn. I re-tightened it and the same thing happened. if the screw backs out a tiny bit this could cause the leaking, also,even with the Teflon tape the threads are a bit on the loose side and this could let air pass on by. I then checked the safety valve and it was screwed in very tight.
The only thing I did not do was unscrew the tanks and Teflon the threads on the tanks...if it leaks again I will do that.
I will take her home in a few hours and fill it to 3000 psi and see if she holds .... I have my fingers crossed ;-)
wll
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Took the leaking wood Liberty to work and took her apart.
I spun the poppet under hand pressure for about 10 seconds, on and off to make sure it was nice and smooth and fit will in the brass valve ... It looked good ;- )
I then took out the air release screw, and yes there was a place for a small ball detent .. I put about 3 wraps Teflon tape around the screw and put it back in .... and then something strange happened that I did not notice before ... when I screwed it in all the way tight, the screw backed out about a micron of a turn. I re-tightened it and the same thing happened. if the screw backs out a tiny bit this could cause the leaking, also,even with the Teflon tape the threads are a bit on the loose side and this could let air pass on by. I then checked the safety valve and it was screwed in very tight.
The only thing I did not do was unscrew the tanks and Teflon the threads on the tanks...if it leaks again I will do that.
I will take her home in a few hours and fill it to 3000 psi and see if she holds .... I have my fingers crossed ;-)
wll
If that does not solve the leak Will, you can PM me your address if you wish; & I'll send you some of the 4mm ball bearings to play with.
Who knows? A ball in there may do the trick by resting against the degassing port at the bottom/side of the hole.
Ed
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Took the leaking wood Liberty to work and took her apart.
I spun the poppet under hand pressure for about 10 seconds, on and off to make sure it was nice and smooth and fit will in the brass valve ... It looked good ;- )
I then took out the air release screw, and yes there was a place for a small ball detent .. I put about 3 wraps Teflon tape around the screw and put it back in .... and then something strange happened that I did not notice before ... when I screwed it in all the way tight, the screw backed out about a micron of a turn. I re-tightened it and the same thing happened. if the screw backs out a tiny bit this could cause the leaking, also,even with the Teflon tape the threads are a bit on the loose side and this could let air pass on by. I then checked the safety valve and it was screwed in very tight.
The only thing I did not do was unscrew the tanks and Teflon the threads on the tanks...if it leaks again I will do that.
I will take her home in a few hours and fill it to 3000 psi and see if she holds .... I have my fingers crossed ;-)
wll
If that does not solve the leak Will, you can PM me your address if you wish; & I'll send you some of the 4mm ball bearings to play with.
Who knows? A ball in there may do the trick by resting against the degassing port at the bottom/side of the hole.
Ed
If this does not work I may take you up on that ;- )
wll
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Teflon tape is also a lube so that might be the backing out..
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Filled her up this morning, and when I left the house about 2hrs later she was down about 200 psi.
Out and about now but I will check on it when I get home. I think I may be taking her apart again and check on TV he tank attachment area !
wll
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Buy a delrin poppet from Duy and be leak free.
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Anyone still buying the warranty free deals ???
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I got a wood 177 a couple of weeks ago, but I’m full up, and have no plans for more. If you are looking for one, check in regularly with Ty.
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Well she is still leaking ... I will do a balloon test next ... I can't believe its the poppet and I will be very surprised if it is !
wll
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Well she is still leaking ... I will do a balloon test next ... I can't believe its the poppet and I will be very surprised if it is !
wll
OK, I did the balloon test ... and the balloon filled up ..... I do have a poppet leak after changing the poppet three. I will make another poppet out of white Delrin and see if that works.
I'm starting to get annoyed big time.;-)
wll
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Well she is still leaking ... I will do a balloon test next ... I can't believe its the poppet and I will be very surprised if it is !
wll
OK, I did the balloon test ... and the balloon filled up ..... I do have a poppet leak after changing the poppet three. I will make another poppet out of white Delrin and see if that works.
I'm starting to get annoyed big time.;-)
wll
fourth time is the charm...
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I may have figured out the problem .... if I not so good on the end of the poppet, air is coming through. I think air is leaking around the stem and then out. The poppet may be closing tight but air is leaking through the top around the c-clip, down the shaft and then out !
I will make another poppet with a slightly smaller hole to see if that holds. I will also fill the poppet hole with epoxy ... that may do the trick ?
wll
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epoxy with tight fit that requires a 1 ton press. so a “press fit” ;D
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epoxy with tight fit that requires a 1 ton press. so a “press fit” ;D
I have a ton press so I'll try that.
What size hole do you drill, about a .155 for a tight fit.
wll
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Will
I bet you just solved your problem, air leaking around the poppet stem. Hard press fit with epoxy seal should do the trick. Keep us posted.
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epoxy with tight fit that requires a 1 ton press. so a “press fit” ;D
I have a ton press so I'll try that.
What size hole do you drill, about a .155 for a tight fit.
wll
Made a new poppet out of 5/16 white Delrin. I drilled out the thickest part to .155 and the shaft to .113. I pressed them in using a big machine vice. I could not get air to pass between the poppet shaft when blowing on it very hard. We will see what happens when it is installed tomorrow ;- )
(http://photos.imageevent.com/wlleven/k10dtest/downloadphotos/New%20Style%20Poppet%20sm.png)
wll
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well if it doesnt help. there is another solution.
get rid of the c clip. and make a cap poppet sealed with epoxy to get rid of the possible air escape route in the center.
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well if it doesnt help. there is another solution.
get rid of the c clip. and make a cap poppet sealed with epoxy to get rid of the possible air escape route in the center.
Yep, that is on the horizon if this poppet does not work.
wll
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Took apart the gun this am and installed the newer all Delrin poppet. Checked the old one and could not find a leak between the poppet shaft and the Delrin ?
Took the air cylinder off, and Teflon taped the long threaded area. there was lots of gap between the threads in this area and it took about 5-6 full wraps of Teflon tape to give it a little bit of friction screwing it in, I applied silicone oil on the "O" ring and screwed it in tight.
I did not put the 4mm steel ball in the release area, as I can easily do that at a later date.
I will put about 3000 psi in her when I get home and see what happens, I'm very interested in seeing if the 5/16" diameter poppet works, I would think that since it has a good bit less diameter, air may pass around it faster, I don't know ?
I will report back later today or early tomorrow.
wll
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After an hour the balloon looks like it has taken in a very, very small amount of air. I fired a couple of test shots and she has not leaked in about a half hour or so, I have my fingers crossed. This poppet was made with smaller poppet shaft holes then my black Delrin poppet and the press fit was darn tight ... I did not use epoxy on this poppet.
Have again made some poppets that look like this one in this thread but will add epoxy in the inside and around the poppet shaft grooves. The new poppets are smaller yet on the inside diameter so they will need to be press fit in very, very hard. The end of the shaft does stick out enough for the small c-clip to fit in the grooves. (The c-clip just barley fits in) !
I have also Teflon sealed this gun in the threaded area of the air tank just for more insurance in case this was the problem too.
I will wait another hour to see if she has shown any signs of leaking, I will fire a couple more test fire shots and then refill to 3000 let her sit to see if a leak developed over night ... If not I'm home free.
My Syn stocked liberty #1 that I take out in the field most of the time has a very, very, very slow leak, and it just may come from the air cylinder connection area, but again I did not do a balloon test on that gun, so it may be the poppet.
More info to come later on !
wll
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Overnight she leaked from 3000psi down to 1000psi ... not as bad as before but not good ;- (
I will fill her up to about 3600, and fire about 10 test shots to to get her down to about 3000 psi and let her sit the rest of the day ..... If she goes down about 500 or so psi I know I'm on the right track and the poppet is starting to seat, If she is down significantly more, I will fill her up, test fire about 10 shots again but will start to work on another poppet as this poppet probably will not hold air.
wll
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There are no seals that should be using Teflon tape. You will probably just going to cause more issues down the road, as the fine threads of tape find there way into the valve and other areas.
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Just got home and filled to 3600 psi, I then shot 20 shots, refilled to 3000 psi and will let it sit ..... if this does not work I will use another poppet. If that does not work I will take apart the valve to see if any of those "O" rings are bad. The other thing is to try to find some very hard rubber, somewhere in hardness between Delrin and the rubber that was in the original poppet
I'm just about fit to be ties with this gun for sure !
wll
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The poppet Duy made for me was out of delrin and doesn't leak any.
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i posted a picture of that poppet in the long thread. the way i machined it, i didnt even polish it after. true your delron and use carbide to cut the face of the poppet. polish if needed.
make a cap poppet like i suggested. do it once and be done
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I filled the gun and put the balloon on the barrel, the balloon has not filled but I lost about 200 psi..... the leak may be from a hidden area ..... maybe around the air filling area I don't know ?
wll
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Pressure gauge?
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Check the Orings around the poppet valve near the throat. Also check the vent hole for the reg.
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Pressure gauge?
My next move is to balloon the fill area, it could be the gauge ?
Check the Orings around the poppet valve near the throat. Also check the vent hole for the reg.
After that is things don't work out, yes I will check those other "O" rings.
wll
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Wll
Not that many areas these guns can leak. You could pull action from stock, (pull the barrel) fill to 3000 and submerge in a tub of water. That would give you a little more definitive answer. Blow the action off with a hair dryer. No harm.
Have you pulled the bleed screw out and flattened the bottom of it? Pulled the plenum & checked o-ring? Just trying to throw out ideas, I know these hidden leaks can drive you crazy. Good luck.
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I have one parts gun that has been hard to find the slow leak. Used the spray leak detector on all areas, to no avail. I prefer not doing a whole blanket o-ring replacement. When I pick it back up, plan to use my known good, non-leakers, guns to help isolate. Will swap the air cylinder, which includes fill and gauge. I did try the balloon on fill probe, but it found nothing. Nothing on the barrel either, so that poppet is holding. O-rings, including plenum look good. Anyway, the swap should isolate to one half of the gun. ;)
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ive never tried this, but would mixing dishsoap with rubbing alcohol be better for the metal parts than water?
i cant read through the whole thread right now, but is the 'airblock' that threads in to the 'action' more than one turn out?
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Put the balloon around the front air fill section of the air tube, filled her up to 3000 and I let her sit .... the balloon did not budge .... so air is not leaking from the fill section of the gun.
It is now time to get some bubble mixture to see if I can find anything ... This is now getting to be a real pain !
wll
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you have infinite patience my friend i would have hit it with a 3lb sledge....
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you have infinite patience my friend i would have hit it with a 3lb sledge....
It is coming very close to that ... but in reality, it was a parts gun and all the "PARTS" are working just fine.
I will find out what is wrong in the next few weeks for sure. I will do another balloon test on the barrel, and make another poppet and see what happens.
wll
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it is very unlikely, but go ahead and replace the orings on the valve itself.
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You have been more than patient with this thing. At *THIS* point, just throw the thing in the *TUB* and look for the bubbles.
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You have been more than patient with this thing. At *THIS* point, just throw the thing in the *TUB* and look for the bubbles.
I disagree
Fix it; and then shoot the bubbles
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Easy to dry it off, and you will definitely know where the leak is. I think Duy is probably right, it's about the only other place it could be except regulator. If it's the valve rings, the tub will tell. Good luck, you know the suspense is killing us.
We just wish we were there so we could help with the work. 😂
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it is very unlikely, but go ahead and replace the orings on the valve itself.
It seems to me that if the valve orings are leaking the balloon test on the barrel would show it. It would be no different than the poppet leaking.
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Robert
If the poppet leaks, the air goes through the valve = barrel test shows this. If the o-rings leak, the air goes around the valve and not through it = negative barrel test!
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I think if the PU valve O-ring leaks, but the NBR holds, the air would channel into the valve trougth and TP passage. Normally, the NBR only provides a seal during the shot cycle. Even if the NBR had a small leak, I think the TP would be the path of least resistance. Not sure, just trying to think it through.
Note: The valve set-screw and stock bolt hole may be another path.
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the valve set screw is behind the rear oring of the valve. and the stock screw hole will puncture into the valve’s rear oring if tighten down too far. they cut that stock hole too deep. the oem valve has oring sealing the stem in the rear so it may not escape around the stems to the back. check those areas too
200psi loss overnight is sloooow leak. barrel balloons may not show if the passage to the barrel is not 100% sealed.
having worked on the Liberty for a while. i suspect the valve area to be leaking...since OP ruled out other areas already. just replace those orings and clean the valve and the chamber spot clean. see if that helps.
i use soap and water and smear it anywhere suspected. slow leak or not bubbles will form
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Robert
If the poppet leaks, the air goes through the valve = barrel test shows this. If the o-rings leak, the air goes around the valve and not through it = negative barrel test!
Actually it will go up through the barrel as the Oring just on the other side of where the poppet seals leaks right into the area where the groove is. I originally thought the same thing but rethought is and realized that it is possible. The Oring on the stem side wouldn't cause any leaking at all. I'm talking about the white Oring.
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I have not had a chance to do anything this past couple of weeks as work has been crazy ... We have a go at it later this week ... will fill to about 3000 and dunk in water and sit and watch !!!
Yes, this is EXTREMELY exasperating !!
wll
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Wll
This will be worth the effort in drying time to finally spot & fix thar $&%@#@ leak.
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I have not had a chance to do anything this past couple of weeks as work has been crazy ... We have a go at it later this week ... will fill to about 3000 and dunk in water and sit and watch !!!
Yes, this is EXTREMELY exasperating !!
wll
I imagine just the act of submerging the gun will be pretty nerve racking on its own.
Not sure that I would have the courage do it.
To the point
It seems that with cloths, fans, hair dryers etc the gun can be dried out & lubed.
Is there any possibility of water entering into the air reservoir or other HPA areas?
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I have not had a chance to do anything this past couple of weeks as work has been crazy ... We have a go at it later this week ... will fill to about 3000 and dunk in water and sit and watch !!!
Yes, this is EXTREMELY exasperating !!
wll
I imagine just the act of submerging the gun will be pretty nerve racking on its own.
Not sure that I would have the courage do it.
To the point
It seems that with cloths, fans, hair dryers etc the gun can be dried out & lubed.
Is there any possibility of water entering into the air reservoir or other HPA areas?
I don't think so, I need a careful set up so just the areas that might be leaking will "Bubble Up" ! I don't want to get the barrel section wet at all.
wll
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always take the barrel off before dunking.
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Also use the hottest water you can take... It will dry faster..
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Has anyone been able to get hold of parts for these guns yet ??? It sure would be nice to have the option to buy the critical parts for it.
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always take the barrel off before dunking.
If I understand this correctly Duy, it is just the action that gets dunked.
Could the trigger group come off also; essentially leaving only the areas that deal with HPA getting drowned?
Ed
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Has anyone been able to get hold of parts for these guns yet ??? It sure would be nice to have the option to buy the critical parts for it.
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Hey Wayne
I don't think the source will be ATI any time soon.
A week or so ago , with his permission, I e-mailed a list of parts to Ty at ATI along with this remark
"This parts request is based on the assumption that ATI has a documented parts inventory."
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Here, in part, is his reply
"Unfortunately, we don’t really have a documented parts inventory for the air rifles. We rarely get replacement parts from the manufacturer, and when we do, it’s not much"
Maybe the best thing for a number of us to do is to assault (petition) the manufacturer with requests to make parts available
Perhaps, if they realize there is a market for them (read as opportunity for profit) they might get on the ball
IIR there is a contact name and e-mail address buried somewhere in Liberty and Freedom threads
I would certainly be glad to join that effort, especially if it were an official request from GTA
Ed
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Has anyone been able to get hold of parts for these guns yet ??? It sure would be nice to have the option to buy the critical parts for it.
what ?? you mean there are no parts available for this gun if a major
failure occurs ??
i just bought one because everyone has been ranting and raving about how good they are....... :o
well, i just read the previous couple posts......wish i'd done some research first
::)
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Has anyone been able to get hold of parts for these guns yet ??? It sure would be nice to have the option to buy the critical parts for it.
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Hey Wayne
I don't think the source will be ATI any time soon.
A week or so ago , with his permission, I e-mailed a list of parts to Ty at ATI along with this remark
"This parts request is based on the assumption that ATI has a documented parts inventory."
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Here, in part, is his reply
"Unfortunately, we don’t really have a documented parts inventory for the air rifles. We rarely get replacement parts from the manufacturer, and when we do, it’s not much"
Maybe the best thing for a number of us to do is to assault (petition) the manufacturer with requests to make parts available
Perhaps, if they realize there is a market for them (read as opportunity for profit) they might get on the ball
IIR there is a contact name and e-mail address buried somewhere in Liberty and Freedom threads
I would certainly be glad to join that effort, especially if it were an official request from GTA
Ed
The trigger group cna come off but is a pain to get the sear pin back in. I use a finishing nail to get it lined up and then install the pin which pushes the nail out. I personally would disassemble the action as far as possible after finding the leak to insure there's no water in the area of the hammer or in the valve/poppet area.
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Gendoc, nothing will fail besides the orings and the seals on the valve poppet. those will be easy to replace and need no support from ATI or the manufacturer.
Will. take off everything including barrel grub screws.
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Gendoc, nothing will fail besides the orings and the seals on the valve poppet. those will be easy to replace and need no support from ATI or the manufacturer.
Will. take off everything including barrel grub screws.
SHHHHHH! I am hoping gendoc will back out of that sale so I can buy it! (chuckle)
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Has anyone been able to get hold of parts for these guns yet ??? It sure would be nice to have the option to buy the critical parts for it.
what ?? you mean there are no parts available for this gun if a major
failure occurs ??
i just bought one because everyone has been ranting and raving about how good they are....... :o
well, i just read the previous couple posts......wish i'd done some research first
::)
John I wish that Crosman would get with the game and start building some nice smaller caliber guns that had side levers, the only one they've ever built was the Bulldog that has a side lever.
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Has anyone been able to get hold of parts for these guns yet ??? It sure would be nice to have the option to buy the critical parts for it.
what ?? you mean there are no parts available for this gun if a major
failure occurs ??
i just bought one because everyone has been ranting and raving about how good they are....... :o
well, i just read the previous couple posts......wish i'd done some research first
::)
John I wish that Crosman would get with the game and start building some nice smaller caliber guns that had side levers, the only one they've ever built was the Bulldog that has a side lever.
That and it would be nice if they would put a decent trigger in them "out of the box". That has kept me away from buying any PCP Crosmans. The Fortitude comes to mind...
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Gendoc, nothing will fail besides the orings and the seals on the valve poppet. those will be easy to replace and need no support from ATI or the manufacturer.
Will. take off everything including barrel grub screws.
SHHHHHH! I am hoping gendoc will back out of that sale so I can buy it! (chuckle)
So you're the one that notified the seller telling him that I might back out of the sale because I wasn't happy about the parts availability well you're wrong I'm not backing out
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Gendoc, nothing will fail besides the orings and the seals on the valve poppet. those will be easy to replace and need no support from ATI or the manufacturer.
Will. take off everything including barrel grub screws.
SHHHHHH! I am hoping gendoc will back out of that sale so I can buy it! (chuckle)
So you're the one that notified the seller telling him that I might back out of the sale because I wasn't happy about the parts availability well you're wrong I'm not backing out
Are you serious?
Did someone actually contact the seller with that lie; or is this an LOL that I missed?
Ed
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Gendoc, nothing will fail besides the orings and the seals on the valve poppet. those will be easy to replace and need no support from ATI or the manufacturer.
Will. take off everything including barrel grub screws.
SHHHHHH! I am hoping gendoc will back out of that sale so I can buy it! (chuckle)
So you're the one that notified the seller telling him that I might back out of the sale because I wasn't happy about the parts availability well you're wrong I'm not backing out
Sorry if I offended. I saw your post about being concerned that the Liberty does not have parts availability (other than parts guns) and that you wished you had done your homework. I was also already in a conversation with the seller via PMs. So, I mentioned that you might be rethinking the purchase. A reasonable supposition. He contacted you and the rest is history.
Again, no offense intended. Had you backed out of the deal, I would have purchased it, but that is neither here nor there at this point. ;) ;D
Kerry
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" I mentioned that you might be rethinking the purchase. A reasonable supposition ".....
maybe to some but not to me and to be used off the
forum in a private message....thats even worse !!
but i dont care, it will be here tomorrow and i will enjoy it like i do all my stuff.
once i commit, its done....anyway my good friend can make, or retrofit anything this gun should need if its other than orings.
no harm done...so carry on
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" I mentioned that you might be rethinking the purchase. A reasonable supposition ".....
maybe to some but not to me and to be used off the
forum in a private message....thats even worse !!
but i dont care, it will be here tomorrow and i will enjoy it like i do all my stuff.
once i commit, its done....anyway my good friend can make, or retrofit anything this gun should need if its other than orings.
no harm done...so carry on
Well, I guess if I had used something said in a private message in a public forum, I would agree.
But it was the other way around. Anyway, no offense was intended.
I hope you enjoy the Liberty! I will own one eventually as well!
Kerry
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I forgot which thread this originated from but
soupyyy provided a fill probe schematic a while back. I had made the quick connect male part but was aprehensive about completing it since I had only one piece of brass that would work and I dont do take-off work so well. In an unusual fashion I just kept the brass on the lathe and tried to turn to specs. IT WORKED!
I just filled up my Freedom front reservior. It had been empty since when I tried to take it apart shortly after I got it.
So thanks soupyyy!
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=7013)
Now I just can't lose it!
Merry Christmas,
Dan
P.S. now maybe I can have the confidence for my other projects with proprietary parts that I also dont want to screw up on.
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Anyone have a .22 ATI Nova Liberty poppet they want to get rid of? I'd like 2 if possible? My Nova Liberty has a slow leak through the barrel and need on if I can find!?
Thanks!
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Anyone have a .22 ATI Nova Liberty poppet they want to get rid of? I'd like 2 if possible? My Nova Liberty has a slow leak through the barrel and need on if I can find!?
Thanks!
I have read in this forum and on AGN that the newly redesigned poppets for the Seneca Aspen will work in the Nova Liberty & Freedom.
Perhaps other members will corroborate this info
Here is a link to the part at PA
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/seneca-aspen-firing-valve-complete?a=9593 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/seneca-aspen-firing-valve-complete?a=9593)
Hope this helps
Ed
Hope this h
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I know for a fact that the liberty and Aspen use the same poppet valve. I have both rifles.
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Anyone have a .22 ATI Nova Liberty poppet they want to get rid of? I'd like 2 if possible? My Nova Liberty has a slow leak through the barrel and need on if I can find!?
Thanks!
I have read in this forum and on AGN that the newly redesigned poppets for the Seneca Aspen will work in the Nova Liberty & Freedom.
Perhaps other members will corroborate this info
Here is a link to the part at PA
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/seneca-aspen-firing-valve-complete?a=9593 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/seneca-aspen-firing-valve-complete?a=9593)
Hope this helps
Ed
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I bought one of those from PA and they're the exact same thing as the original, they still are the same as the originals, flat out garbage in my opinion. They don't last like a good peek poppet will and eventually leak, usually sooner than later.
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Anyone have a .22 ATI Nova Liberty poppet they want to get rid of? I'd like 2 if possible? My Nova Liberty has a slow leak through the barrel and need on if I can find!?
Thanks!
I have read in this forum and on AGN that the newly redesigned poppets for the Seneca Aspen will work in the Nova Liberty & Freedom.
Perhaps other members will corroborate this info
Here is a link to the part at PA
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/seneca-aspen-firing-valve-complete?a=9593 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/seneca-aspen-firing-valve-complete?a=9593)
Hope this helps
Ed
Hope this h
I bought one of those from PA and they're the exact same thing as the original, they still are the same as the originals, flat out garbage in my opinion. They don't last like a good peek poppet will and eventually leak, usually sooner than later.
That's good to know, Wayne
I'm going to search for the post I read saying the poppets were re-engineered.
Perhaps I'll be able to get the member to join in on this thread
Not doubting your word, WAyne
Just hoping to learn
Ed