Just Bought ANOTHER Liberty for Parts ;- )

[SILENT SQUIRREL]

Good morning FuzzyGrub
Curious to know how detailed the the Liberty 22 to 25 caliber conversion would be
Is there info addressing the topic somewhere in the forum?
Ed

Not that I'm aware of.  I know Duy will be working on a Liberty 25 cal conversion soon.  I'm sure he will post some info.  My bet his will be more high-powered and slinging slugs.       Mine will be more for JSB 25 and 34g pellets.   When I do start it, will have a GTA thread going, and usually I detail it enough such that other DIYer's can follow.  ie like my Fortitude 25 cal conversion.

Thanks, John

[FuzzyGrub]

I think getting a fully operational and accurate parts gun, is a thing of the past.  Given some issue, leaks have a high likelihood to be able to repair at low cost, vs say a bad barrel.  Jmho

[wll2506]

I think getting a fully operational and accurate parts gun, is a thing of the past.  Given some issue, leaks have a high likelihood to be able to repair at low cost, vs say a bad barrel.  Jmho

John, I think so too .. I think if you get a parts gun you most likely will need to do a poppet fix or maybe some type of "O" ring fix.

The last two wood Liberties I received are beautiful guns and looked like new, but leak more then my bladder ;-  )

wll

[Madd Hatter]

I think getting a fully operational and accurate parts gun, is a thing of the past.  Given some issue, leaks have a high likelihood to be able to repair at low cost, vs say a bad barrel.  Jmho

John, I think so too .. I think if you get a parts gun you most likely will need to do a poppet fix or maybe some type of "O" ring fix.

The last two wood Liberties I received are beautiful guns and looked like new, but leak more then my bladder ;-  )

wll

At least you can empty your bladder! lol

[wll2506]

I think getting a fully operational and accurate parts gun, is a thing of the past.  Given some issue, leaks have a high likelihood to be able to repair at low cost, vs say a bad barrel.  Jmho

John, I think so too .. I think if you get a parts gun you most likely will need to do a poppet fix or maybe some type of "O" ring fix.

The last two wood Liberties I received are beautiful guns and looked like new, but leak more then my bladder ;-  )

wll

At least you can empty your bladder! lol

Lol, lol, lol

wll

[wll2506]

Well tomorrow I'll have the funds to have my Sherline sent back to the factory, and then I'm waiting for  the 5/16/8mm Delrin rods.

I should be able to make quite a few once the lathe is set up as It is just drilling and parting ... no using two drill bits or having to turn anything down ... way to time consuming for me.... I plan on ending up with a ~.3125 od Delrin piece that is .260 long and has a .160-.166 hole drilled through it that fits in the cup .... and that is it !!!

It will be a piece that you pull your old soft poppet inset out and replace it with this .... that is it !! You may need to find c-clips that are a bit thinner then the original thick clip as my pieces will be about .010 longer than factory. This will give the end user the option to sand this insert poppet piece down and trim the ss cup or not if he or she wishes.

I plan on making a few of these for folks that can use them, if they don't take me more than a few minutes to make once set up. (no charge, lower 48)

It is a pretty sorry state of affairs when the manufacturer could have very easily solved this problem. ... Please manufacturer don't blame the end user who is having this issue when they have not taken the gun apart !!!

When I get the lathe and the delrin rod in I will report back !

wll

[FuzzyGrub]

Will, a very generous offer to GTA members!   

FWIW: The C-clip is rather unique, and not standard fare to be found at McMasterCarr.  I ended up using a split lock washer, cutting and crushing, for my 2nd poppet that was missing the c-clip.  I located an E-clip that might work, but it is significantly thinner at 0.5mm.   It would take at least three of them to fill the slot.  https://www.mcmaster.com/98317a204  It indicates that it is for a 1.9mm groove and I measured 2mm with my HF calipers.  It might be tight. 

[wll2506]

Will, a very generous offer to GTA members!   

FWIW: The C-clip is rather unique, and not standard fare to be found at McMasterCarr.  I ended up using a split lock washer, cutting and crushing, for my 2nd poppet that was missing the c-clip.  I located an E-clip that might work, but it is significantly thinner at 0.5mm.   It would take at least three of them to fill the slot.  https://www.mcmaster.com/98317a204  It indicates that it is for a 1.9mm groove and I measured 2mm with my HF calipers.  It might be tight.

Yes, I saw that one and there is one that has just a tiny bit larger ID. One of my buddies has some small c-clips here at work, so I will check those out. With the way I plan on making these being ~.10 longer the thinner c-clip may work.

We will see.


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5 Minutes later ;- )

His c-clip does work and it is .015 thick and 3/32OD, don't  know the ID, i think it is around.074  ?

wll

[Madd Hatter]

As a side note, my poppet started leaking again just before I replaced it with a DC valve using a peek poppet. Had a heck of a time getting it to seal but finally did and it held pressure all of the way down to 0 psi. When I went to release the pressure so I can fix my sticking hammer problem I released a little then listened to see if it was leaking air then repeated until there was no more air and it held all of the way down where before once I got below 2000 it would release all of the air.

[wll2506]

Well the lathe is on its way back to me ... extra tools have been ordered and come in this Friday along with the Delrin rod .... by Monday at the latest I should be making parts ;-  )

wll

[FuzzyGrub]

Well the lathe is on its way back to me ... extra tools have been ordered and come in this Friday along with the Delrin rod .... by Monday at the latest I should be making parts ;-  )

wll

That was a quick turn-around! 


PS: I just talked to Ty and have a 177 parts gun on the way.  I would have preferred a wood, but oh well.   No wood 22's either, but did say some 22 synthetics parts gun in stock.

[darkcharisma]

i got the .22 wood

[wll2506]

If I buy one more parts gun I would appreciate it if a group of you guys would come over to my house and beat some sense into me ;- )

wll

[SoCalZac]

Wow Will that is great of you!! I may hit you for a couple once I get my get parts guns in. I’m just down the way from in Agua Dulce and would be more than happy to come pick it up and get shoot a few pellets down range.

[Madd Hatter]

If I buy one more parts gun I would appreciate it if a group of you guys would come over to my house and beat some sense into me ;- )

wll

Address??? I got some frustration I need to get rid of!! lol

[BackStop]

If I buy one more parts gun I would appreciate it if a group of you guys would come over to my house and beat some sense into me ;- )

wll

And I thought I was over the edge with 3 Freedoms!   Only one is a "parts gun" though...   

[Wayne52]

Kerry I've got two of them myself, they're both warranty free ones, the first one is the one that I use a lot, I did have to fix the pump on it but not until I had it for a while, when I took it apart I seen where the person that had it before me had attempted to fix the pump previously and did manage to get it work (kinda) well I had to repair some of his mistakes that poor assembly of it messed up with some bad burr's but all is good now.  I simply have a blast with that thing everytime that I'm out with it.  The only thing you gotta worry about with a good working Freedom are pellets and I'll always have plenty of those with me

[wll2506]

Well i did some work on my wooden parts gun.

This was the first time i took it down to the valve area and i was surprised how easy it is.. I did this total operation in about 15 minutes. (Not including the re-manufacturing of the inside of the poppet).

!) Took stock off
2)Took barrel off
3) Twisted apart the two bottom halves ... the side that came out with mine was the end with the poppet.
4) Pulled old poppet out and replaced it with a poppet that was taken apart, soft section turned around, a .010 shim put in the cup and reassembled, and a small c-clip put in.
5) Then the gun reassembled !

I will fill her up tonight and see if this makeshift poppet fix works. The poppet that I pulled out of this gun had the soft material not close to even with the lip of the cup .... this poppet could never function like it came from the factory. The rest of the gun is designed very well and it is very, very easy to take down and the layout with the "O" rings is done very well. With "O" rings in your kit, This gun will last a very, very long time if nothing mechanical breaks.

In the meanwhile my lathe should arrive today and other parts tomorrow so I can start to make some Delrin poppet inserts.

This is turning into an exciting adventure.

wll

[privateer19@hotmail.com]

Very excited to see how you make out with it. Especially with your poppets. I have one, synthetic and have just taken off the stock and swapped the trigger screws. Messed up something on the front as i can't get those screws to get tight again. Will figure it out over the weekend.

[wll2506]

Made some pieces, all are .268-.271 in length. Should have room for the small diameter c-clips.

The problem is the OD was way over sized about .025.... Bummer and the next bummer is I have to drill the .166 hole on my other lathe ;-( I will do that tomorrow.

Once they are drilled out, they will be ready, but the OD must be turned down by the end user, unless I can find a easy way ?



Well the is it so far.

wll