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Airguns by Make and Model => Umarex Airguns => Topic started by: avator on January 31, 2024, 03:41:57 PM
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UPS dropped it off at around 11:00 am today. All I had time to do is open the box before Betty Lou wanted to make a store run.
When we got back I took the gun and headed for the Red Shed. I pushed the lego gun aside that I was tinkering with this morning and had a good look at the NOTOS. I was a bit nervous because the gauge read empty.
I put the stock on and aired it up to 3500 psi. I had to cock it to get it to begin filling. The probe fit the female QD on the Yong Heng no problem.
I had a 3-9 x 40 AO RWS scope on the bench so that's what I put on it.. for now.
Let me just get the things out of the way that need improvement on the gun IMO. None of which are deal breakers.
The stock is a bit wobbly when it's extended. Maybe a wrap or two of Teflon tape here and there will tighten it up.
The cocking lever is a bit crunchy... it may break in or it may just need lubed properly.
The trigger is a bit heavy and draggy, It drew my attention. I'm sure that's something again that may break in and can be adjusted, smoothed and lubed.
The mag is that typical fiddly SPA type mag but I have a few other guns with that type mag and I am familiar with it.. I hear CARM mags work much better. I have a few in .177 and I would have to agree. I do have a spare SPA mag in .22 but I'll need to file the alignment nub of for it to work.
I put medium rings on it and they could be a tad higher but for now I'm gonna just go with it. I don't like having the center of the scope 3" above center bore.
That's about it and like I said... none of it is a deal breaker.
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Now for some things I do like...
I'm typically not a tactical type gun kinda guy but the NOTOS is not way over the edge in design. It'll grow on me.
I like the size, the weight and the balance when shouldered.
I like the left hand cocking lever and don't even mind that it don't have a knob sticking out. It will take a bit of getting used to reaching for it blind but that will come. At least it's not in my ear like a bullpup. The gun can be laid flat on the shooting bench on either side.
I've read the stories about poor accuracy and again, I got a little nervous when I shot the first mag of JTS 18.1 and got a 1" group at 20 yards. But I loaded the next mag with CPUM 14.3 domes an the group tightened right up to within 1/2". I am confident that once I clean the barrel, have a look at the crown and lighten/smooth/lube that trigger groups will improve even more. Those are the only 2 pellets I have tried so far so I might even find better.
I'm going to seriously consider putting a bottle on this gun but I want to give it a fair shake before I go that route.
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Congrats…..when I first joined I read a lot about getting the scope as close to the barrel/bore as possible….Ive never found it a problem …I dont think I have one gun with the scope that low…..for me its what ever sight picture gun dictates….heck my notos is medium rings on .5 riser….
As for the wobbly stock..if u push the button as far up in the housing as it will go stock will slide right off….I laid a short piece of aluminum along the top as a shim… and slid the stock back on…...stopped the wobbly but still allows the stock to adjust…good luck
Mine likes the H&N FTT 14.66 and CPUMS…my mags are starting to give me trouble….but mine is on the money @ 30 yards…
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Congrats…..when I first joined I read a lot about getting the scope as close to the barrel/bore as possible….Ive never found it a problem …I dont think I have one gun with the scope that low…..for me its what ever sight picture gun dictates….heck my notos is medium rings on .5 riser….
As for the wobbly stock..if u push the button as far up in the housing as it will go stock will slide right off….I laid a short piece of aluminum along the top as a shim… and slid the stock back on…...stopped the wobbly but still allows the stock to adjust…good luck
Mine likes the H&N FTT 14.66 and CPUMS…my mags are starting to give me trouble….but mine is on the money @ 30 yards…
Scopes on higher rings aren't really an issue for plinking situations but if you do alot of shooting at different ranges it has a degree of affect. Once you learn to use the mildots it's not bad.
As for the wobbly stock, I didn't figure it would take too much to fix.
Thanks for the info.
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You didn't try your cast pellets?
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Not yet but I will.
I'm having a little issue with pellet #1 in the mag. It fits tighter in the mag and I don't want to pressure the cocking lever to force it in. The pellet noses forward and I have to tap the mag back out. That scrapes the nose off the pellet. I eject the pellet and the remaining pellets cycle great.
I filed the alignment rail off of the spare SPA mag I had until it fit the NOTOS. It works just fine.. no issues with #1 pellet.
It got kinda cold out there so I decided to close up and come in. Feels like some dampness in the air and I don't need to be getting sick.
I'll fire the heat up in the morning and see if I can address that mag.
I'll also put the oring buffer in the lego gun. By then it should be warmed up enough to open the doors back up.
When I do start testing heavier pellets I might need to use the SST.
I saw where another member was having issues with his pellet probe being loose and out of alignment. I wonder if he may have had the same issue and forced the cocking lever shut.
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Avator, you single handedly are responsible for half the posts on Gateway To Airguns ! :)
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Bill, your posts are entertaining, keep posting friend.
Naptemp, do you have any cool stuff to share,
I am kinda slow the past two years with lymphoma an just generally getting old. Hand surgery today. I hope to post ab a new M-Rod build soon.
Hunter
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For me there are three parts to airgunning that make it interesting...
Shooting them, tinkering with them and sharing my experiences with them.
Like most here, when I was a kid I had a BB gun. Unless I was in school or sleeping I was never far from my BB gun and bicycle. Then life happened. Around 10 years or so ago I found airguns again via a Walmart Daisy 880. Seeking knowledge I found the GTA. And it was from regular folks just like me sharing their experiences that I learned way more than I ever expected. I also made alot of friends among these gates. Most I've never met.
Someone once told me that the best way to gather and keep knowledge is to give it away.
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I added a strip electrical tape to the top of the buffer tube, that helped a lot with the stock wobble. The trigger will become real nice once you adjust it and polish the contact point. You could also replace some of the springs with lighter ones.
My neighbor received his Notos today. It's his first PCP and got it on my recommendation. Tomorrow morning we're going to spend some time getting his set up and zeroed in and then we'll have some Notos shooting time! He just cleared his property back to his property line, so we probably have a good 75 yards to shoot on his side of the fence! Te Crosman Premier Domed work very well in mine and I plan on using those when we get his set-up.
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Those JTS 18.1 pellets do really well in some of my other guns but that may be due to longer barrels and faster speeds. That's what made me try them first. I grabbed the Crosman domes because you mentioned they do well in your NOTOS.
I'm not very confident that my cast pellets will do well in this gun because of the weights of them.
I also plan to revisit some of the threads I read on this gun.. I saw some how tos on massaging that trigger including some spring changes. They included photos that will be helpful.
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This gun has the sideways dove tail grooves front and rear on the rail. I have a few Ruger 1022 flip up peeps but I think the comb is too high to use them. I have a nice TruGlo red dot that will hot swap with the scope or I can use an offset mount like you did.
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For me there are three parts to airgunning that make it interesting...
Shooting them, tinkering with them and sharing my experiences with them.
Like most here, when I was a kid I had a BB gun. Unless I was in school or sleeping I was never far from my BB gun and bicycle. Then life happened. Around 10 years or so ago I found airguns again via a Walmart Daisy 880. Seeking knowledge I found the GTA. And it was from regular folks just like me sharing their experiences that I learned way more than I ever expected. I also made alot of friends among these gates. Most I've never met.
Someone once told me that the best way to gather and keep knowledge is to give it away.
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BTW... I topped the NOTOS off to 3500 psi and brought it in with me when I closed the shop. I stood it in the corner. I just checked it and it's right where it was. I'll check again before I shoot it tomorrow. But it's holding good so far.
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For me there are three parts to airgunning that make it interesting...
Shooting them, tinkering with them and sharing my experiences with them.
Like most here, when I was a kid I had a BB gun. Unless I was in school or sleeping I was never far from my BB gun and bicycle. Then life happened. Around 10 years or so ago I found airguns again via a Walmart Daisy 880. Seeking knowledge I found the GTA. And it was from regular folks just like me sharing their experiences that I learned way more than I ever expected. I also made alot of friends among these gates. Most I've never met.
Someone once told me that the best way to gather and keep knowledge is to give it away.
Bill, you're absolutely right about that "sharing of knowledge " that is the very thing that attracted me to the GTA to start with back about 2015 I started reading here, then finally joined a year or so later. It was amazing watching "Cookie Monster ", "Motorhead", "Knifemaker", "Lloyd-SS", "Ribbonstone", "FuzzyGrub" "Ezman604" (who previously owned the GTA), and so many others.
Some members contribute with their experiences with the equipment that they have owned, like Paul "Rat Sniper" who shares some pretty cool videos of his backyard shooting gallery as well as his experiences with his choices of cool stuff. Max115 hunts and makes production videos, very entertaining. I miss "Wayne52" videos, opinions on his gear.
Travis "Oldpro" has contributed a lot, on the website, in the design room, and in the machine shop.
I like dead pest of the day as well as
Hunting in my 80th year is kinda cool, I hope that I can still hunt in a few more years. 🙏
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Sadly It seems to me that the last couple of years there have been TROLLS taking pot shots at anyone modding American products. I believe that has caused the GTA website to loose some of its sparkle.
Hunter
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Hunter, there are some folks that can't stand to see other's enjoying themselves. Maybe they just don't know how to get out of whatever funk they got going on. Best just not to feed the animals. ;)
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Ok, one of these NOTOS threads contained information on making the trigger better. It included pics and spoke about the springs to replace and/or remove. I looked and looked, even used Google and I can't find it.
Can someone help me locate that thread?
TIA
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Post #108 in my Initial Impressions Thread is where I mention polishing the contact points, but I did not include any pictures.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=206237.msg156425811#msg156425811
I went back looking and did find one picture of the trigger mechanism, it's pretty basic and I probably only polished the point it latches to the hammer. The rest seems to be plastic. As far as the comment on springs, that may have been me also, but I think I was thinking of the Jet since the Notos looks to only have one small spring. Here's the one picture I have of the trigger mechanism.
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The Notos I got from Kevin, has not had any trigger work done, it has worn in nicely, was not bad to begin with when I got it.
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Ha Ha Ha ... total cranial flagellation on my part. I was looking for the wrong dang trigger group. I would have never found it in the NOTOS threads because I was looking for the Jet 2 group. DOH !
I had full intentions on finishing up the lego gun first this morning but the NOTOS spent the night in the house and I carried it to the shop with me. I figured since I already had it in my hand.... well, you know. ;D
So I pulled the stock off and the side cover for the trigger group. "Hey, where are all those parts I saw in the picture? Where are the springs?" DERRRR.
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I replaced the spring with a BIC lighter spring.
I did a bit of polishing here and there with some die stones I have from my tool and die tech days.
I took the needle point off of the trigger adjustment screw and polished it up.
I adjusted the small rear Allen screw up a couple turns.
The I put a thin layer of some really slick red grease I have. It came from an old school gunsmith that sent me a box of misc. Crosman parts a few years ago on all contact points and pivots.
A WORLD of difference !!!
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You might want to add a little of the red grease to the cocking lever also, it might smooth that out some. That is the one area that still needs attention on mine, it's still stiff and a little crunchy...
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Next I went after that gritty cocking lever. Basically I just applied some of that red grease and worked it into the bolt and groove. I also put a drop of Secret Sauce on the pivots. It's much better but not quite buttery smooth. I think it will wear in. If not I will go back in later a knock some sharp edges off.
Next I pulled the stock apart. I cleaned what looked like silicone grease (maybe white lithium grease) off with alcohol so a narrow strip of duct tape would stick to it. I ended up putting 2 layers on. Nice and snug now.
I backed the hammer screw out one turn before I put the stock back on.
Then I got up close and personal with that mag. I am so used to the SPA mags that I just assumed that these would load the same way... spin the dial and insert the first pellet backwards from the back... nope, not the mama... not for me anyways.
But, went I loaded it from the top I got no joy either. The pellet probe would kinda jam and I don't want to force it. I took an Allen wrench and set that first pellet. I felt it kinda set into place. Badda bing, happy rooster. Cock a doodle do. ;D
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You might want to add a little of the red grease to the cocking lever also, it might smooth that out some. That is the one area that still needs attention on mine, it's still stiff and a little crunchy...
LOL... wait for it. ;D
I can't type as fast as some of you guys.
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BTW.... all that took me less than an hour to do.
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By the numbers.....
I backed the HS all the way out because I could just tell the gun was shooting hot. As far as I can guess it was delivered 2 1/2 turns in from flush.
I shot Crosman pellets because they are what shoots accurate for me. Why chrono a pellet that is not accurate?
The results tell me I need to spend some money :o This gun will need to be bottled and throttled to make me happy with shot count. I could adjust the regulator down to around 600 fps but that's not going to gain me much more than another 4 shots.
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Hmmm...Just for gits and shiggles I loaded up a mag of the JTS 18.1gr pellets and held the same 1/2" group as the CPUM did @ 25yds. I don't know if backing off the hammer spring did it or if maybe the barrel seasoned in. So I shot 2 more mags with the same results.
Has anyone adjusted the regulator? Which direction increases and which direction decreases?
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https://youtu.be/GOtPuBkYX80?feature=shared
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Hmmm...Just for gits and shiggles I loaded up a mag of the JTS 18.1gr pellets and held the same 1/2" group as the CPUM did @ 25yds. I don't know if backing off the hammer spring did it or if maybe the barrel seasoned in. So I shot 2 more mags with the same results.
Has anyone adjusted the regulator? Which direction increases and which direction decreases?
Counterclockwise increases pressure
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It looks like you already have a nice looking string, another 4 shots would be great.
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Thanks guys.
Think I'll turn the reg down a smidge and try to get 3 full mags.
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We got my neighbor's new Notos set up and zeroed today. Oddly, his cocking lever was really smooth with no magazine it in. We had a lot of problems with the pellets feeding smoothly using that little magazine that cam in it. I went and grabbed my CARM mag and used it for the rest of the shooting session. I'm thinking CARM is going to get a new order later tonight! :P His trigger was horrible, but I told him how to fix it. I may end up doing that for him later.
After shooting the Notos for a while, I brought out a couple of my other airguns for him to try... Talk about leading someone blindly into the Rabbit Hole, poor guy didn't know what hit him! I had him try the FX Dream-Tac and the AA S510 XS. He's more of a tactical guy, so he liked the looks of the Dream-Tac and how smooth the action is, but the trigger on the S510 XS really blew him away!
Since he said he's a tactical kinda guy, I had to finish it up by letting him shoot the LSC SK-19! He had no clue what it was. I set it up on the bag and told him to go a head and take a shot. I had it set to Semi-auto. He took a shot said he really liked it and then asked how he cocked it to take another shot. I said just pull t trigger, it's semi-auto. After another couple shots he was grinning ear to ear. I said go ahead and take one more, but I failed to tell him I had switched it to full-auto. He squeezed off a perfect 3 round burst and immediately said, I gotta have one of these! ;D Yep, I think I hooked him!
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LOL... you better hook him up with a compressor or he'll be camping out on your deck.
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LOL... you better hook him up with a compressor or he'll be camping out on your deck.
I'm working on that, he wants the Benjamin Traveler I have, he just needs to clear the expenditure with his boss! :P
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LOL... you better hook him up with a compressor or he'll be camping out on your deck.
I'm working on that, he wants the Benjamin Traveler I have, he just needs to clear the expenditure with his boss! :P
Sounds like you got another new gun purchase in mind. ;)
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LOL... you better hook him up with a compressor or he'll be camping out on your deck.
I'm working on that, he wants the Benjamin Traveler I have, he just needs to clear the expenditure with his boss! :P
Sounds like you got another new gun purchase in mind. ;)
I do, but got to get enough to cover it before I can get it. It probably won't be available for another few months, so I have time...
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Morning...
I adjusted the regulator this morning. I had been reading about it and I think I may have been misled a bit. The posts I read on the AGN lead me to believe that the reg adjustments bore much more substantial results than I got. Most suggested only adjusting 1/8 turn at a time. I wanted a little less fps than what they got so I went 3/16 turn in.
I think I would prefer even less than what I have now but I still got my 3 full mags above 600 but the sweet spot is still in the 670s for 17 shots. Oh and I should mention that this string is with the 18.1 JTS.
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I'm not totally upset with those numbers because accuracy is spot on at my 25 to 35 yds. range. And those FPE numbers are good enough to humanely take out a pest within that range.
I'm not sure if it's worth the effort to readjust. I may at some point. But again, I'm also considering a bottle.
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So out of this thread I get the stuff I came for: accuracy, how to deal with fiddly bits, and some excellent discourse regarding thoughts, expectations, and factual performance.
Thanks, Bill!
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Thanks Peter... and lookie there, only took 2 pages.. so far. :o
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Here is a picture of the second trigger adjustment screw. You have to pull the trigger frame to get to it. It's the top screw in the picture below. Backing it out shortens the first stage feel of the trigger.
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Anxious to see if you end up adding a bottle and how you feel like that changes the handling of the gun. I've thought several times about doing the bottle conversion on mine, but I haven't taken the leap yet.
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Scott,
The good part is that it's reversible
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This gun has the sideways dove tail grooves front and rear on the rail. I have a few Ruger 1022 flip up peeps but I think the comb is too high to use them. I have a nice TruGlo red dot that will hot swap with the scope or I can use an offset mount like you did.
AR sights, folding like MBUS or fixed like LMT, work well with the comb height of the NOTOS. I ended up going with a set of Magpul MBUS, seems to be a good match. Just a heads-up. Also this combination ends up with sight line over bore right at 2.5" best I can measure. And I agree, factory magazine is lacking. Same first round scraping issue.
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Reversable and easily, but I was having thoughts on seeing if the Notos air tube would work on a Beeman 1095, by adding the valve that came with the drop block ???
Bill it looks like your Notos is at about the same power level as mine was when I received it.
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Reversable and easily, but I was having thoughts on seeing if the Notos air tube would work on a Beeman 1095, by adding the valve that came with the drop block ???
Bill it looks like your Notos is at about the same power level as mine was when I received it.
Yeah, not much change but I think I'll run a string over the chrono with the CPUM 14.3 today. That is what I used for the base line string. The heads up comparison will tell the story better than the JTS 18.1 did.
James, tell me about that bleed screw, I turned it out a full turn and no air came out. I didn't go any more because I didn't know if I would shoot it across the shop... or worse. :o I don't like shooting the gun down to empty.
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Bill, The Notos doesn't have a bleed screw, the screw on the bottom in front of the trigger is a mounting screw for the cylinder block, you have to shoot it out of air.
Oh and Congrats on the Notos purchase....
Mine likes CPHP, Domes and JSB Hades.
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Ok... I thought I saw in that video where the guy compared the 3 drop blocks that he said that was a bleed screw. It's the silver flat head screw. I may be mistaken.
Here is the screw I am referring to and the part name in the list. It's part #66 which is listed as "exhaust screw".
???
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mine doesn't have a silver flat head screw except for the Hammer spring adjustment screw.
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if you do the bottle conversion, which drop block are you liking the best, I like that new regulated drop block on Ali express, I ordered one the other day just to play with, the original one I used from Amazon works great too, but you have to get a separate bottle mount regulator, 2200 psi is what I have, it gives me 780 fps with Hades pellets,
you still have to clock either one to the gun cylinder block.
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I like the one that Wes at AGAF sells. It also has the dual gauges. But funds are low so I may just go for the plenum upgrade. I'm still looking at my options.
Lots of guys seem to be into making power but I'm more after shot count and accuracy. I'm getting 3 mags of 18.1 domes in the high 600 fps. The last couple shots were off the reg. I had adjusted the reg in about 3/16 turn.
I think I can add the plenum, drop the reg some more and squeeze out another mag in the low 600's. That's still going to give me 14 to 15 FPE.
28 - 30 14FPE shots would be acceptable for me.
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What is this plenum upgrade you speak of?
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What is this plenum upgrade you speak of?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/404444248028
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBAnCu6A34M
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I think I prefer the black over the silver.
I also saw a video where the guy drilled and tapped for a regulator gauge. I'm not sure if I would go that route. It would be handy in setting the reg but once set the gauge might just be another potential leak so what's the point?
Set it and forget it.
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I bought the moderator kit….didnt see the need for plenum for my type of shooting….vendor C88….excellent machining ….I got silver as black wasnt available at that time….good luck
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I'm kinda the opposite.. I don't have an issue with the factory moderator. I can get just the plenum alone for around $30 but for another $30 or so I can get the whole kit. Never know, I may cut that moderator off in the future.
I figure if I'm going to go tactical I might as well go all in... Buck Rail has some tactical upgrades.
https://buck-rail.com/?s=Notos&post_type=product
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I'm kinda the opposite.. I don't have an issue with the factory moderator. I can get just the plenum alone for around $30 but for another $30 or so I can get the whole kit. Never know, I may cut that moderator off in the future.
I figure if I'm going to go tactical I might as well go all in... Buck Rail has some tactical upgrades.
https://buck-rail.com/?s=Notos&post_type=product
I know u have no need for concern…But IMHO the notos is backyard friendly..I did install one of those 3-d extenders cause they was free….lol……made a slight diff….I bought the kit for later if needed…I dont enjoy the tinkering as much as u folks do,but makes for some great reading…as usual for me…Im done with mine…on to the next flavor of the week…..good luck
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I'm kinda the opposite.. I don't have an issue with the factory moderator. I can get just the plenum alone for around $30 but for another $30 or so I can get the whole kit. Never know, I may cut that moderator off in the future.
I figure if I'm going to go tactical I might as well go all in... Buck Rail has some tactical upgrades.
https://buck-rail.com/?s=Notos&post_type=product
I know u have no need for concern…But IMHO the notos is backyard friendly..I did install one of those 3-d extenders cause they was free….lol……made a slight diff….I bought the kit for later if needed…I dont enjoy the tinkering as much as u folks do,but makes for some great reading…as usual for me…Im done with mine…on to the next flavor of the week…..good luck
Yep, grinding and ripping that moderator off looks a bit scary for some of us.
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I'm kinda the opposite.. I don't have an issue with the factory moderator. I can get just the plenum alone for around $30 but for another $30 or so I can get the whole kit. Never know, I may cut that moderator off in the future.
I figure if I'm going to go tactical I might as well go all in... Buck Rail has some tactical upgrades.
https://buck-rail.com/?s=Notos&post_type=product
I know u have no need for concern…But IMHO the notos is backyard friendly..I did install one of those 3-d extenders cause they was free….lol……made a slight diff….I bought the kit for later if needed…I dont enjoy the tinkering as much as u folks do,but makes for some great reading…as usual for me…Im done with mine…on to the next flavor of the week…..good luck
Yep, grinding and ripping that moderator off looks a bit scary for some of us.
Agreed…myself included….there is a utube vid where a gentlemen installs the full kit plenum and all….he uses a lathe to take the factory off,un damaged and reuses it….good luck
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I'm kinda the opposite.. I don't have an issue with the factory moderator. I can get just the plenum alone for around $30 but for another $30 or so I can get the whole kit. Never know, I may cut that moderator off in the future.
I figure if I'm going to go tactical I might as well go all in... Buck Rail has some tactical upgrades.
https://buck-rail.com/?s=Notos&post_type=product
I know u have no need for concern…But IMHO the notos is backyard friendly..I did install one of those 3-d extenders cause they was free….lol……made a slight diff….I bought the kit for later if needed…I dont enjoy the tinkering as much as u folks do,but makes for some great reading…as usual for me…Im done with mine…on to the next flavor of the week…..good luck
Yep, grinding and ripping that moderator off looks a bit scary for some of us.
Agreed…myself included….there is a utube vid where a gentlemen installs the full kit plenum and all….he uses a lathe to take the factory off,un damaged and reuses it….good luck
Yeah, I watched that one too. I just don't have a lathe. I'd have to go at it the old caveman way. Pretty sure there wouldn't be much to save when I was done.
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I thought it was pretty smart that he located the clips with a magnet and knew where to make his cuts.
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Looks to me like the factory moderator has to be removed to use the plenum. I'm not so sure I want to take a hacksaw to it, I don't have a lathe, so my removal options would be quite primitive! :o
I'm not really interested in removing the stock pickle, I have the extended insert installed and am very happy with the sound level of that.
I like the idea of the bottle with the dual gage drop-block and adjustable regulator, but that essentially doubles the cost of the gun, meaning it's longer a very accurate sub $300 gun, it's now a $600 gun that's really no more accurate than the sub $300 gun I already have! Not sure the ROI is there with that modification!
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Looks to me like the factory moderator has to be removed to use the plenum. I'm not so sure I want to take a hacksaw to it, I don't have a lathe, so my removal options would be quite primitive! :o
I'm not really interested in removing the stock pickle, I have the extended insert installed and am very happy with the sound level of that.
I like the idea of the bottle with the dual gage drop-block and adjustable regulator, but that essentially doubles the cost of the gun, meaning it's longer a very accurate sub $300 gun, it's now a $600 gun that's really no more accurate than the sub $300 gun I already have! Not sure the ROI is there with that modification!
Exactly... I think we collectively convinced me to just go with the plenum for around $30. I might need to spring for a CARM mag or 2. Right now I'm getting by with the stock mag and a modified SPA mag.
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I wonder what the volume of the plenum extender is?
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Website says 15cc added.
From the seller:
This is a Umarex Notos plenum kit. The kit consist of 2 shroud end caps and a 15cc plenum. Orings are already installed but spare ones are included. The front end cap adapter has a 1/2x20 unf thread that simply slips over the barrel and is drilled and tapped with a m6 set screw that sits on the groove of the barrel itself. The kit is very easy to install/remove, it will take less then 10mins. With the added 15cc of plenum shot count will increase and also fps. Only modification that needs to be done is to remove the factory plastic shroud.
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For the moment I only install moderators on PCP guns that are easily modified for those that may need butchering ,I have a local gunsmith who said he would cut off and recrown the barrel(s)….so far Ive resisted and have had only one neighbor question what I was shooting….and from what I gathered from the vid….u do not have to remove the factory moderator to install plenum ..@ least in this particular vid…but Im not as learned as most of u….so might be mistaken….good luck
https://youtu.be/DbY9kMj_KKg?feature=shared
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For the moment I only install moderators on PCP guns that are easily modified for those that may need butchering ,I have a local gunsmith who said he would cut off and recrown the barrel(s)….so far Ive resisted and have had only one neighbor question what I was shooting….and from what I gathered from the vid….u do not have to remove the factory moderator to install plenum ..@ least in this particular vid…but Im not as learned as most of u….so might be mistaken….good luck
https://youtu.be/DbY9kMj_KKg?feature=shared
This is true Phil... the plenum can just be added to the stock gun. Just degas, screw it on and refill.
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Website says 15cc added.
From the seller:
This is a Umarex Notos plenum kit. The kit consist of 2 shroud end caps and a 15cc plenum. Orings are already installed but spare ones are included. The front end cap adapter has a 1/2x20 unf thread that simply slips over the barrel and is drilled and tapped with a m6 set screw that sits on the groove of the barrel itself. The kit is very easy to install/remove, it will take less then 10mins. With the added 15cc of plenum shot count will increase and also fps. Only modification that needs to be done is to remove the factory plastic shroud.
If you get the plenum you'll have to grind a little off the bottom of the moderator cause the air cylinder will hit it. I did mine that way. I also had a zZ block on mine from Aliexpress for a few days but I went back to the stock set up with plenum
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If I had CF bottles around from other guns and projects the drop block would be the way I'd go. But the dual gauge externally adjustable block that I would want and the cost of a CF bottle, for me, way out costs the return.
Like Paul said... a $300 gun quickly turns into a $600 gun. If I had $600 to invest in a gun it wouldn't even be this style.
But like other's have said... I really enjoy living the adventure though you guys that do these mods and upgrades.
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My dogs were after something in the backyard last night ….I put a picatinny mount light on mine and went huntin….did not find what it was (most likely rat)but we do have critters passing thru..…..I sure do like this little gun and envy u folks what may hunt with it….good luck
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Website says 15cc added.
From the seller:
This is a Umarex Notos plenum kit. The kit consist of 2 shroud end caps and a 15cc plenum. Orings are already installed but spare ones are included. The front end cap adapter has a 1/2x20 unf thread that simply slips over the barrel and is drilled and tapped with a m6 set screw that sits on the groove of the barrel itself. The kit is very easy to install/remove, it will take less then 10mins. With the added 15cc of plenum shot count will increase and also fps. Only modification that needs to be done is to remove the factory plastic shroud.
If you get the plenum you'll have to grind a little off the bottom of the moderator cause the air cylinder will hit it. I did mine that way. I also had a zZ block on mine from Aliexpress for a few days but I went back to the stock set up with plenum
Do you have a picture of how much of the factory moderator you had to grind off? It's too bad the plenum wasn't just a bit shorter, it would have been the perfect mod if you didn't have to destroy any of the factory parts!
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I did not care for the stock moderator, even with the extension, so I killed it.
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I did not care for the stock moderator, even with the extension, so I killed it.
RIP….
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Well, considering that the stock pickle needs to be hacked on to fit the plenum I might as well install the whole kit. I already have a couple moderators around that will go on it.
It seems the weather is going to keep me in the shop most of the day so I'll probably pull it back apart and make another regulator adjustment.
Maybe I'll have a long look at removing the pickle. I can run it wide open until I get the kit. Or I can use one of the LDCs I have that attach with grub screws.
Tinkering is the name of the game. ;)
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Well, considering that the stock pickle needs to be hacked on to fit the plenum I might as well install the whole kit. I already have a couple moderators around that will go on it.
It seems the weather is going to keep me in the shop most of the day so I'll probably pull it back apart and make another regulator adjustment.
Maybe I'll have a long look at removing the pickle. I can run it wide open until I get the kit. Or I can use one of the LDCs I have that attach with grub screws.
Tinkering is the name of the game. ;)
It would be great if manufacturers made their guns as indestructible as their moderators…..good luck
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This is the bottle / reg setup I first used on my Notos 3000 psi still gives good shot count. Total cost of the 2 $80.oo
https://www.ebay.com/itm/311754223514
And drop block.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BLHFKY4R/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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This is the bottle / reg setup I first used on my Notos 3000 psi still gives good shot count. Total cost of the 2 $80.oo
https://www.ebay.com/itm/311754223514
And drop block.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BLHFKY4R/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
So, you removed the bottle reg and screwed the bottle directly to the drop block?
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Well, I woke up with a killer ear ache and it's raining. I put a couple drops of olive oil in my ear and watched recorded NASCAR waiting for the rain to stop.... it didn't.
So, I pulled my hood up over my head so I wouldn't ruin my hair do get wet and sick and dipped out to the shop.
I shot the NoDoze down to empty and pulled the tank back off. I pulled the reg out and gave it another 1/8 turn clockwise.
I still have the stock hammer spring in and there is a good 1/4" preload on it to put the screw in.
I think any further adjustments I make will be hammer spring only. If I need more I'll give it more. If I need less I'll install a lighter spring or clip a coil or so.
My goal here is 3 full mags before dropping off the reg without adding the plenum. My FPS goal is anything between 600 and 650. If and when I add the plenum I would hope to add another mag.
That should be enough speed to respectably launch 14.3 gr lead within my intended range.
Testing is postponed until the rain stops, maybe this afternoon. I don't want to open up the shop to let all that dampness in.
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Well, I woke up with a killer ear ache and it's raining. I put a couple drops of olive oil in my ear and watched recorded NASCAR waiting for the rain to stop.... it didn't.
So, I pulled my hood up over my head so I wouldn't ruin my hair do get wet and sick and dipped out to the shop.
I shot the NoDoze down to empty and pulled the tank back off. I pulled the reg out and gave it another 1/8 turn clockwise.
I still have the stock hammer spring in and there is a good 1/4" preload on it to put the screw in.
I think any further adjustments I make will be hammer spring only. If I need more I'll give it more. If I need less I'll install a lighter spring or clip a coil or so.
My goal here is 3 full mags before dropping off the reg without adding the plenum. My FPS goal is anything between 600 and 650. If and when I add the plenum I would hope to add another mag.
That should be enough speed to respectably launch 14.3 gr lead within my intended range.
Testing is postponed until the rain stops, maybe this afternoon. I don't want to open up the shop to let all that dampness in.
Congrats on your new AG sir. Been following your comments on Jet and Notos. Glad it's working out for what you want.
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Thanks Charles.. I enjoy sharing my adventures.
I hope to get out and check the results of the reg adjustment tomorrow.
If the rain don't relent I may set up a bucket trap inside the shop and run a string over the chrono.
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Thanks for sharing but I am a little confused. My stock and only lightly tuned Notos gets 21(3 mags) shots regulate(22nd @777 to be exact) before coming off the regulator verified by chronograph. I am getting: CPHP 14.3gr @ 779FPS-Avg, ES-5fps and SD-1FPS from a full fill for 21 shots. *Very pleased with these results.* Fill pressure to "red" on manometer or 3700-3800PSI roughly and I have turned in the hammer spring adjustment to almost full in, minus ~1/8-1/4. You are at <700FPS and not getting 3 magazines. Your first post indicated 3500PSI fill pressure. Should I be filling to a lower pressure(~3500PSI) or is there something else I am missing? I am a long time shooter but new to PCP, just trying to understand and enjoy the PCP world. TIA and take care
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Thanks for sharing but I am a little confused. My stock and only lightly tuned Notos gets 21(3 mags) shots regulate(22nd @777 to be exact) before coming off the regulator verified by chronograph. I am getting: CPHP 14.3gr @ 779FPS-Avg, ES-5fps and SD-1FPS from a full fill for 21 shots. *Very pleased with these results.* Fill pressure to "red" on manometer or 3700-3800PSI roughly and I have turned in the hammer spring adjustment to almost full in, minus ~1/8-1/4. You are at <700FPS and not getting 3 magazines. Your first post indicated 3500PSI fill pressure. Should I be filling to a lower pressure(~3500PSI) or is there something else I am missing? I am a long time shooter but new to PCP, just trying to understand and enjoy the PCP world. TIA and take care
I am not one to tell you what to do with your gun but the recommended max fill pressure is 3625 and I fill to something under maximum with new guns. Once broken in I may bump that number up a bit but I still try not to exceed max recommended fill.
I don't have alot of experience with regulated guns so I'm not sure what stresses a regulator can handle due to overfilling. I also consider that I'm using a Yong Heng compressor to fill the gun and the lower fill pressure might help it last longer.
Not all like guns give the exact same results. There are tolerance ranges in all machining that can affect results, especially in production runs.
Something else is worth a mention...
I asked about the silver slotted "exhaust screw" (part #66 on the parts diagram) located under the front of the trigger frame and another member reported that he had no such screw. So I would ask, are we seeing a second variant to these guns? If so, are there any other differences?
The same could be said for chronographs and pressure gauges.
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Differences in the molded mono block can affect hammer travel and speed, where the hole the hammer passes through has slight variations in size.
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My neighbor's bone stock Notos is shooting an average of 770 FPS, my bone stock Notos is shooting around 705 FPS. neither hammer spring or regulator has been adjusted or changed since they were received. The Chinese aren't really known for manufacturing consistency!
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This is the bottle / reg setup I first used on my Notos 3000 psi still gives good shot count. Total cost of the 2 $80.oo
https://www.ebay.com/itm/311754223514
And drop block.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BLHFKY4R/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
So, you removed the bottle reg and screwed the bottle directly to the drop block?
On that setup the reg was at a 3000 psi setting same as the bottle rating. so it was like shooting unregulated.
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OK, here are some unexpected but welcome results....
As I said above, with this setup I was hoping for 3 full mags in the 600 fps range per fill.
I got 3 full mags at 700+ with the 14.3 mags. The spread was 34 because shot 21 was off the reg. If not for that shot the spread would have been reduced by half.
I can make that up by filling to red line but I'm still short filling to around 3500.
If I can get one more 7 shot mag by just adding the plenum I'll leave it right where it is. If not I need to decide if I'm going to make another reg adjustment or change/clip hammer spring. In my mind, it should be so close that I shouldn't need to adjust the reg. Remember, I still have the HS screw backed off to flush.
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I'm going to post that first out of box graph here just so we can compare without scrolling back to page 2 in this thread.
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Does anyone have the digits on the factory hammer spring?
It appears that I gained 4 shots and it cost me 18 FPS on the average.
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The gun received it's official name...
The Ummagumma NoDoze. ;D
Don't lose any sleep over trying to figure it out. :o
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The gun received it's official name...
The Ummagumma NoDoze. ;D
Don't lose any sleep over trying to figure it out. :o
Ummagumma;
Gathered together in a cave with several small furry animals and grooving with a pict.
Hunter
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Ummagumma means sex Nodoze is up all night lol 🤣
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LMBO... I never even looked up the meanings. Yeah, it'll get a name change. :o
I think just NoDoze is adequate. ::)
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Well I don't have a cool name like UmmaGumma NoDoze but my Silenced tati-cool SBR shoots 14.3s about 750fps with an ES of 4 and 18s around 695fps. I backed my hammer all the way out to flush and then in 1.5 turns. I get 21 shots, but during the fun mach observed that I can go 2-12round CARMS without a change in POI. If I ever get the reg adjusted to 20+fpe I'm sure I'll fall to 18 shots on the reg. I autofill to 3500psi on the GX and Notos Gauge (actually match).
The AG is more accurate than I am so I'm sure you'll enjoy shooting! I'm currently shooting JSB 15.9s but hard to tell a difference from 14.3s groups...I like to tell myself I have a little more energy with out the drop of 18s......
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I slipped out and shot 3 mags of CPHP into a 10m target. Took a couple shots to sight in from 25yds that I was shooting in to the 10m. After sighted in I was very pleased with the rest of the targets.
I think tomorrow I'll post a submission to the 10m Casual Match with it. I might even submit one for the 50' as well.
I think I'm also going to pull samples of every .22 pellet I have on hand and see how picky it may be. I'll do that with the SST so I don't have to fiddle with mags.
The weather tomorrow looks to be very shooter friendly.
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Been thinking about the 50' offhand matches for a while. My indoor range is 50' and I could stand to practice offhand at 50' more regularly with targets rather than plinking.
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I realized that I hadn't posted a string on the JTS 18.1 since I made that last reg adjustment so while Betty Lou was making breakfast I went out and ran it.
Nice string.. I think I might make a run to the hardware store. ;)
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No luck at the local hardware on the spring. They were either too short or the OD was too big.
I don't want to clip the stock spring so I'll just wait til we go to the city this month and go to Lowes.
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Yup the illusive just right hammer 🔨 spring 🌱 search, I am still searching.
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Yup the illusive just right hammer 🔨 spring 🌱 search, I am still searching.
If Lowes don't have it I'll probably have to go the McMaster route.
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No luck at the local hardware on the spring. They were either too short or the OD was too big.
I don't want to clip the stock spring so I'll just wait til we go to the city this month and go to Lowes.
I'm not going to say why but I have a "growing collection" of 12" spring stock of various sizes.
PM me the size you want and I'll measure what I have. I could pay it forward to you if we have a size match.
If you know your size Grainger is also a source. If you know or can convert to metric there are a couple of direct from China sellers that are cheap with free shipping (from China?) and sell pretty small quantities....
This is were I'm getting the 3mm CS variety pack for the Challenger SSS
Seller:
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No luck at the local hardware on the spring. They were either too short or the OD was too big.
I don't want to clip the stock spring so I'll just wait til we go to the city this month and go to Lowes.
I'm not going to say why but I have a "growing collection" of 12" spring stock of various sizes.
PM me the size you want and I'll measure what I have. I could pay it forward to you if we have a size match.
If you know your size Grainger is also a source. If you know or can convert to metric there are a couple of direct from China sellers that are cheap with free shipping (from China?) and sell pretty small quantities....
This is were I'm getting the 3mm CS variety pack for the Challenger SSS
Seller:
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Thanks for the info and offer. I kinda like where I am right now. That may change when I add the plenum.
I shot it quite a bit today and accuracy is consistent at my intended range. If I didn't know that last shot in the 3rd mag was off the reg I wouldn't be able to tell by the accuracy.
If my calculations are close then I would need 22 more cc to gain another full mag at the current setting. The plenum only adds 15cc. So further adjustments will need to be made to reach the goal of 4 full mags.
However, I'm still averaging over 700fps and the original goal was 600+. It's almost certain I can do much better than that. Pretty sure I can get it done in the mid to high 600 range. That's (just guessing) 12 - 14 FPE with a 14.3gr pellet at the muzzle. Well within a humane pest kill at 35yds.
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I happened to have a case that the NoDoze fits in like it was made for it. I picked a couple of them up cheap when an area sports shop was closing the doors. Plenty of room for the gun, scope, red dot and accessories. Also has a couple spots for tins of pellets so they aren't wandering around in the case.
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Shot a couple 7 round mags of CPHP 14.3 at 20yds this morning.
1st mag in the bottom target. When I got to the top I adjusted the windage after the first shot.
Seated at the bench with front bag.
And these are not it's favorite pellet but I have 8 tins of them on hand.
This gun can keel. ;)
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In regards to the factory NOTOS mag, at least on the one I got with my gun...
I nudge the first pellet in with the nose of an ink pen just enough to feel it kinda click into place.
I have had no issues since doing this. If I don't do this the lever somtimes won't push the pellet into the breech. It might if I gave it enough force but I don't feel comfortable forcing it. I have zero issues with the modified SPA mag.
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I find a bit of silicone grease applied with a Q-Tip to the inner breach seal helps smooth out loading also.
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No luck at the local hardware on the spring. They were either too short or the OD was too big.
I don't want to clip the stock spring so I'll just wait til we go to the city this month and go to Lowes.
I'm not going to say why but I have a "growing collection" of 12" spring stock of various sizes.
PM me the size you want and I'll measure what I have. I could pay it forward to you if we have a size match.
If you know your size Grainger is also a source. If you know or can convert to metric there are a couple of direct from China sellers that are cheap with free shipping (from China?) and sell pretty small quantities....
This is were I'm getting the 3mm CS variety pack for the Challenger SSS
Seller:
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Thanks for the info and offer. I kinda like where I am right now. That may change when I add the plenum.
I shot it quite a bit today and accuracy is consistent at my intended range. If I didn't know that last shot in the 3rd mag was off the reg I wouldn't be able to tell by the accuracy.
If my calculations are close then I would need 22 more cc to gain another full mag at the current setting. The plenum only adds 15cc. So further adjustments will need to be made to reach the goal of 4 full mags.
However, I'm still averaging over 700fps and the original goal was 600+. It's almost certain I can do much better than that. Pretty sure I can get it done in the mid to high 600 range. That's (just guessing) 12 - 14 FPE with a 14.3gr pellet at the muzzle. Well within a humane pest kill at 35yds.
Tracking and learning
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I find a bit of silicone grease applied with a Q-Tip to the inner breach seal helps smooth out loading also.
Tracking
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I find a bit of silicone grease applied with a Q-Tip to the inner breach seal helps smooth out loading also.
Tracking
Not saying that's a bad thing but I can't help but wonder how much of the silicone grease is getting into the barrel and what affects on fouling/accuracy it may have. I know many lube their pellets and we don't hear many diverse side affects from doing so. It would be interesting to look a little deeper into this. ( see what I did there ;D )
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I use the grease so sparingly, there is most likely more lubes on a factory pellet or slug already than what gets transferred.
Speaking of hammer springs, I turned mine all the way out, and got a consistent 10 fps gain across all the previously tested pellets ??? LOL
I would think collapsing a couple coils would not hurt for those wanting to get lower power levels, with out choking off the barrel port like I did. There are always washer shims if needed. ;)
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Thanks James..
I'm not going to get too aggressive with the hammer spring until i get the plenum kit and install it.
I have a couple moderating options coming in from another member today. One option being baffles for the existing factory pickle and the other a stand alone unit.
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I was PIF one of the slip in extension LDC enhancers, I like how it works with the factory pickle.
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I was PIF one of the slip in extension LDC enhancers, I like how it works with the factory pickle.
These samples are also PIF. The generosity among our members is amazing.
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I hope this post on agn from December helps if your looking to increasing your shot count at about 600fps without any adjustments to the reg:
Here is the data using a 1.0mm x 9.0mm OD x 50mm length spring with 10mm worth of spacers and adjustment screw half a turn counterclockwise from bottomed out.
Started at 3600 psi and stopped 65 pellets later after it dropped off the reg, climbed, then matched starting velocity. Trigger weight, bolt handle effort, and report were noticeably reduced. Feels like a mellow setup.
I couldn’t post an external link but, but if you search on Amazon for a 9mm od 1mm 50mm spring, you’ll find the uxcell spring I used.
Accuracy remains decent at 20m. FFT are H&N Field Target Trophies, B are N&N Barracudas, and NGT are Normas.
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Thank you RC... I'll look for the spring.
Update: found and added to cart.
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Don’t forget to find spacers to take up any slack. You can use just about anything so long as it fits
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Don’t forget to find spacers to take up any slack. You can use just about anything so long as it fits
I have a couple of the green boogers that were in the Crosman 362.
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Amazon also has a 9mm od x 1.2mm x 50mm spring if you want to try a short stiff spring setup. With a Tamiya 5x9mm bronze bushing (from the rc car stash) as a spacer, you can have a little preload on the hammer or you can even have it in flight (haven’t tried that though). Attached is the string data in case you’re interested.
Also attached is another string with the 1mm spring and 10mm worth of spacers turned out 2 turns from max in.
Edit: The soft spring string is with another spring from the uxcell package to see how consistent they were between springs in the same bag.
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Man... that some great info.. my mind is in hyper mode now.
Are these numbers with or without the added plenum kit?
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Bone stock without the plenum or reg adjustments. With the availability of that plenum/Adapter kit available in black, I am certainly tempted but I am hesitant hacking the factory moderator apart.
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Bone stock without the plenum or reg adjustments. With the availability of that plenum/Adapter kit available in black, I am certainly tempted but I am hesitant hacking the factory moderator apart.
That's a good point... I'll try just the spring first.
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Morning....
Well, I threw caution to the wind this morning....
First thing I did was add one of the 3D printed LDC inserts that have been floating around the forum that was generously gifted to me by HotelTwoFive... thank you Gavin.
Just for the record, the retaining pins on this gun came out from bottom to top with the knurling at the top. I also had to remove the 2 o-ring on the insert to get it to slip in. Once removed it slipped in snuggly and the pins push right into place and a couple taps sent the knurls home.
It's a bit quieter, I suppose but nothing to do back flips over. I didn't find the gun excessively load in the first place. I'm not even sure if I'll leave it in because it added about 3" to the OAL of the gun.
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Next I pulled the hammer spring out and clipped maybe 2 1/2 coils and dressed the end. I only had to put about 1/16 pressure on the cap to get it to catch a thread. That worked out well because I wanted minimal preload with the full range of adjustment. I got the clipped end fairly flat but I put that end in the hammer so the hammer would act as a guide and the spring was less apt to skew.
I put the adjuster screw back in to flush and fired up the chrono.
I topped the gun up to 3600 psi and loaded up some 14.3 CPUM pellets.
I think I need new batteries in the chrono or the BT unit because it missed 4 shots in the middle of the string.
Regardless I got a great string for a full 3 mags. I deleted the last shot because it fell off the reg and would have needlessly affected my numbers.
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So now I've made an executive decision....
I will forego all previous goals of 4 mags at 600 fps. I'm going to stay right where I am.
I only have 2 mags so I'm going to purchase 1 CARM mag so shot count equals fill time.
I'll replace the factory and modified SPA mags if and when they fail with additional CARM mags.
I'm not going to add the plenum kit and I'm not going to hack the LDC off.
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I'm not going to hack the LDC off[/u].
well even in your situation (loud is proud) u know the gun is quiet…but an FYI that 3-d extender works great…for me Ive quit worrying about the neighbors…now its just for the cool no noise factor …lol..besides surgically removing those factory moderators seems to be quite the challenge…..good luck..
PS…I have an extender for the urban on the way…
If u decide in the future to install the plenum …I will donate the rest of the kit to u…if u feel like hacking….lol
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I had the same problem with the tube n plenum went with another barrel. Just happen to have a longer kral barrel on hand that worked perfect no modifications.
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I'm not going to hack the LDC off[/u].
well even in your situation (loud is proud) u know the gun is quiet…but an FYI that 3-d extender works great…for me Ive quit worrying about the neighbors…now its just for the cool no noise factor …lol..besides surgically removing those factory moderators seems to be quite the challenge…..good luck..
PS…I have an extender for the urban on the way…
If u decide in the future to install the plenum …I will donate the rest of the kit to u…if u feel like hacking….lol
Thanks Phil... I'll keep that in mind.
So, did you use the plenum? If so, did you notch the factory LDC for it?
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I had the same problem with the tube n plenum went with another barrel. Just happen to have a longer kral barrel on hand that worked perfect no modifications.
That's the other side of the coin for me... I like that factory compactness of the NOTOS.
I just shot another string without the chrono and focused on the report. Yeah, I can tell the difference. I have to remember that I'm shooting within the confines of the Red Shed. I stepped out the door for a couple shots and it is very quiet.
That unmoderated "lego" we were shooting yesterday echoed and cracked through the woods. This gun had no such reports. Pellet hitting target was much louder.
Now I just have to collapse the stock so the gun fits the case I have for it.... no biggie there.
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I'm not going to hack the LDC off[/u].
well even in your situation (loud is proud) u know the gun is quiet…but an FYI that 3-d extender works great…for me Ive quit worrying about the neighbors…now its just for the cool no noise factor …lol..besides surgically removing those factory moderators seems to be quite the challenge…..good luck..
PS…I have an extender for the urban on the way…
If u decide in the future to install the plenum …I will donate the rest of the kit to u…if u feel like hacking….lol
Thanks Phil... I'll keep that in mind.
So, did you use the plenum? If so, did you notch the factory LDC for it?
No I only bought the parts for the moderator…did not feel I needed the plenum ….I thought if I bought the parts for moderator ,it would give me incentive to chop off the factory….but I chickened out and opted for extender….good luck
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I'm not going to hack the LDC off[/u].
well even in your situation (loud is proud) u know the gun is quiet…but an FYI that 3-d extender works great…for me Ive quit worrying about the neighbors…now its just for the cool no noise factor …lol..besides surgically removing those factory moderators seems to be quite the challenge…..good luck..
PS…I have an extender for the urban on the way…
If u decide in the future to install the plenum …I will donate the rest of the kit to u…if u feel like hacking….lol
Thanks Phil... I'll keep that in mind.
So, did you use the plenum? If so, did you notch the factory LDC for it?
No I only bought the parts for the moderator…did not feel I needed the plenum ….I thought if I bought the parts for moderator ,it would give me incentive to chop off the factory….but I chickened out and opted for extender….good luck
Got ya... I suppose if I was going for power as some folks here do I would opt for the drop bottle. But for my intended use that would be adding alot of bulk to the gun. I already have guns that produce 40fpe for 50+ shots.
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I shot the Notos all summer bone stock, before modding it, great gun as is.
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So now I've made an executive decision....
I will forego all previous goals of 4 mags at 600 fps. I'm going to stay right where I am.
I only have 2 mags so I'm going to purchase 1 CARM mag so shot count equals fill time.
I'll replace the factory and modified SPA mags if and when they fail with additional CARM mags.
I'm not going to add the plenum kit and I'm not going to hack the LDC off.
Right there with you except I Neanderthalled my factory mag the first month and pleased with my 12 round CARM (just had to measure for scope mounts). I also Neanderthalled the adjustable stock and have a true "A" frame Magpul looking stock (came with a QDC hole) so I can carry with a 1 or 2 point sling.
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Y'all know what they say.. "A man's tinkering is never done".
Some time back I bought a .177 3 pc. CARM mag set for the SPA guns. 2 mags and the flip out single shot loader. I don't think I've ever even used the SSL. .177 pellets are way to tiny for me to fiddle with loading them... (sausage finger syndrome)
I have some JSB Jumbo 33.956 diablo pellets that don't fit the NoDoze mags... do ya see where I'm going here?
I filed off the guide rail so the SSL would fit the breech snuggly. Then I drilled it out so the bolt would operate smoothly.
IT WORKS !!!
I shot 5 rounds over the chrono with my current tune and got an average of 465 fps and upper 16 fpe.
But the best part is... I shot it 20yds. into one of my 3mm high strength steel blanks and it sounded like a Church bell ringing. Those things carry some serious muscle down range.
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<Thumbs Up> Yup don't mind the rainbow, part of the fun for me ;)
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The NoDoze got it's first blood this morning. It's posted in the Hunting Gate.
Warning: VERY GRAPHIC !!
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Tracking says the 10rd Maple mag should arrive today. If it works out well I'll grab 2 more.
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Watching, now
i have
high shot count on a fill the 5mall mags are more of a pain to keep reloading vs single loadin, since it seems like, I'm not ready to stop and reload after 4 mini mags
lol
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Pretty sure I can squeeze a good 30 consistent shot per fill tune out of the NoDoze. 12-14 fpe with a 14.3 pellet would make it a formidable plinker/pester at 30 or so yards.
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The Maple mag arrived this morning. I had to make a minor adjustment to the scope location so it would fit under it ahead of the turret housing. Not much, just moved the scope back about 1/8" to clear the mag. Fits right in now with maybe 1/16" clearance to the tube.
I gotta say, this mags functions miles smoother than the factory or SPA mags. No pre setting the first pellet like I had to with the factory mag. No bass ackwards loading of the first pellet like the SPA mag. Another great thing is that I can just pull the mag and top it off with pellets even if it's not empty.
It has a black dot on the orange carousel that will align with orange numbers on the black case showing the last 3 shots. These are big and bold enough to easily read.
Yeah, I'll be getting a couple more of these.
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A pleasant discovery....
When I decided to order this mag from Maple I was a bit disappointed because the video I watched of the guy loading a mag I counted him loading 10 pellets... I watched it twice. The CARM mag advertises a 12 count capacity. I was under the impression that I would need 3 Maple mags for my goal of 30 shots per fill.
Apparently, the video did't show the guy completely filling the mag. I just counted as I loaded the Maple mag. It holds 15 .22 pellets. NICE !!!
2 mags will be perfect for me.
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I remember at one point during 2014 - 2015 we described the the FD-PCP as boringly accurate.
I don't know about y'all but my NoDoze is just that. I shot a hole in the center of the target at 20yds. with a 14.3 CPUM and followed it by 2 more shots. I couldn't figure out what happened... where did those shots go?
I moved to the next bullseye over and hit dead center. I moved back to the original hole and fired a shot... again, I could not see where the pellet went. That's because they were going in the exact same hole.
I own some accurate guns but this one is what I call stupid accurate.
Not only that but I was smacking the nasty out of the Hiram resettable flippers at 35 yds. I have 3 sets side by side. I knocked all 12 up and back down with with one 15 shot mag. That's a perfect score. Impressive.
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The Maple mag arrived this morning. I had to make a minor adjustment to the scope location so it would fit under it ahead of the turret housing. Not much, just moved the scope back about 1/8" to clear the mag. Fits right in now with maybe 1/16" clearance to the tube.
I gotta say, this mags functions miles smoother than the factory or SPA mags. No pre setting the first pellet like I had to with the factory mag. No bass ackwards loading of the first pellet like the SPA mag. Another great thing is that I can just pull the mag and top it off with pellets even if it's not empty.
It has a black dot on the orange carousel that will align with orange numbers on the black case showing the last 3 shots. These are big and bold enough to easily read.
Yeah, I'll be getting a couple more of these.
I was trolling them...15 rounds is probably how my power tune will end up over the summer, or two 7 round mags if I go for the lower scope mount I've been considering....
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I had the same problem with the tube n plenum went with another barrel. Just happen to have a longer kral barrel on hand that worked perfect no modifications.
That's the other side of the coin for me... I like that factory compactness of the NOTOS.
I just shot another string without the chrono and focused on the report. Yeah, I can tell the difference. I have to remember that I'm shooting within the confines of the Red Shed. I stepped out the door for a couple shots and it is very quiet.
That unmoderated "lego" we were shooting yesterday echoed and cracked through the woods. This gun had no such reports. Pellet hitting target was much louder.
Now I just have to collapse the stock so the gun fits the case I have for it.... no biggie there.
I like my suppressed taticool SBR, in the woods I hear a deep dull silent burp and a louder splat (tree) or dull thud (treerat)...Seams quiet to me, but my other compact is a 2240 Stubby with mods :-) I considered the free PIF moderator, but didn't think my AG was that loud and wasn't confident removing the built in shroud.....others have been pleased. I also love long woods walks Notos in sling so adding to gun overall length would be an ixnay for me....again not an issue for others....
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I remember at one point during 2014 - 2015 we described the the FD-PCP as boringly accurate.
I don't know about y'all but my NoDoze is just that. I shot a hole in the center of the target at 20yds. with a 14.3 CPUM and followed it by 2 more shots. I couldn't figure out what happened... where did those shots go?
I moved to the next bullseye over and hit dead center. I moved back to the original hole and fired a shot... again, I could not see where the pellet went. That's because they were going in the exact same hole.
I own some accurate guns but this one is what I call stupid accurate.
Not only that but I was smacking the nasty out of the Hiram resettable flippers at 35 yds. I have 3 sets side by side. I knocked all 12 up and back down with with one 15 shot mag. That's a perfect score. Impressive.
I've been restraining a spoiler alert since you first posted considering the Notos...I had a feeling If I can get decent groups (and Steve is hole in hole with his) you would be hole in hole out to thirty yards out of the box. Glad you found out for yourself and yes I love this AG :-) I think I'm done stealing your thread sir...
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I remember at one point during 2014 - 2015 we described the the FD-PCP as boringly accurate.
I don't know about y'all but my NoDoze is just that. I shot a hole in the center of the target at 20yds. with a 14.3 CPUM and followed it by 2 more shots. I couldn't figure out what happened... where did those shots go?
I moved to the next bullseye over and hit dead center. I moved back to the original hole and fired a shot... again, I could not see where the pellet went. That's because they were going in the exact same hole.
I own some accurate guns but this one is what I call stupid accurate.
Not only that but I was smacking the nasty out of the Hiram resettable flippers at 35 yds. I have 3 sets side by side. I knocked all 12 up and back down with with one 15 shot mag. That's a perfect score. Impressive.
Nice shooting Bill.
Check this NOTOS shooting dimes at 50 yards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uflnfPVN5o
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I remember at one point during 2014 - 2015 we described the the FD-PCP as boringly accurate.
I don't know about y'all but my NoDoze is just that. I shot a hole in the center of the target at 20yds. with a 14.3 CPUM and followed it by 2 more shots. I couldn't figure out what happened... where did those shots go?
I moved to the next bullseye over and hit dead center. I moved back to the original hole and fired a shot... again, I could not see where the pellet went. That's because they were going in the exact same hole.
I own some accurate guns but this one is what I call stupid accurate.
Not only that but I was smacking the nasty out of the Hiram resettable flippers at 35 yds. I have 3 sets side by side. I knocked all 12 up and back down with with one 15 shot mag. That's a perfect score. Impressive.
I've been restraining a spoiler alert since you first posted considering the Notos...I had a feeling If I can get decent groups (and Steve is hole in hole with his) you would be hole in hole out to thirty yards out of the box. Glad you found out for yourself and yes I love this AG :-) I think I'm done stealing your thread sir...
Charles..
My threads are for all to enjoy. I welcome everyone to add their comments and experience to them.
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I remember at one point during 2014 - 2015 we described the the FD-PCP as boringly accurate.
I don't know about y'all but my NoDoze is just that. I shot a hole in the center of the target at 20yds. with a 14.3 CPUM and followed it by 2 more shots. I couldn't figure out what happened... where did those shots go?
I moved to the next bullseye over and hit dead center. I moved back to the original hole and fired a shot... again, I could not see where the pellet went. That's because they were going in the exact same hole.
I own some accurate guns but this one is what I call stupid accurate.
Not only that but I was smacking the nasty out of the Hiram resettable flippers at 35 yds. I have 3 sets side by side. I knocked all 12 up and back down with with one 15 shot mag. That's a perfect score. Impressive.
Nice shooting Bill.
Check this NOTOS shooting dimes at 50 yards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uflnfPVN5o
Thanks for that video Ron. It has inspired me to cut a longer range out my shooting window.
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Not yet but I will.
I'm having a little issue with pellet #1 in the mag. It fits tighter in the mag and I don't want to pressure the cocking lever to force it in. The pellet noses forward and I have to tap the mag back out. That scrapes the nose off the pellet. I eject the pellet and the remaining pellets cycle great.
I filed the alignment rail off of the spare SPA mag I had until it fit the NOTOS. It works just fine.. no issues with #1 pellet.
It got kinda cold out there so I decided to close up and come in. Feels like some dampness in the air and I don't need to be getting sick.
I'll fire the heat up in the morning and see if I can address that mag.
I'll also put the oring buffer in the lego gun. By then it should be warmed up enough to open the doors back up.
When I do start testing heavier pellets I might need to use the SST.
I saw where another member was having issues with his pellet probe being loose and out of alignment. I wonder if he may have had the same issue and forced the cocking lever shut.
My Notos mag does the same thing. I have to close the bolt sort of hard to get the first pellet to load in the chamber, but after that all is well. I think if I decide to shoot the Notos a lot I'll get ordering some CARM magazines for it. They make all the difference in my Brocock and Katran, I just wish they made FX Royale mags too.
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I know that CARM mags are the most popular mags but I am really glad I ordered the Maple mags with their 15 round capacity in .22. They chamber so smooth and easy. Way better the factory mag.
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I know that CARM mags are the most popular mags but I am really glad I ordered the Maple mags with their 15 round capacity in .22. They chamber so smooth and easy. Way better the factory mag.
Nice to hear you report back on mag choice.
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Ordered the second Maple 15 shot mag this morning. Yeah, I could have saved $8 shipping if I had ordered both last week but it's all good. Heck, I spend $8 on a coffee and biscuit.
On another note... I think the NoDoze may have earned the right to wear one of my better scopes. I have a few SF scopes. I'll look through them today and maybe do some swapping around.
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I had been eyeing the maple mags…after Bills review ordered 2…almost got the SST….I guess I dont understand Canadian math …my total came to $68.55 ..I computed $59.83 less PP fees and taxes…lol
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I had been eyeing the maple mags…after Bills review ordered 2…almost got the SST….I guess I dont understand Canadian math …my total came to $68.55 ..I computed $59.83 less PP fees and taxes…lol
The first one I ordered went through Ebay. Paypal paid $37.40. The second one I ordered directly from Maple Custom Products and Paypal paid $35 flat. Had I ordered both from Maple on the same order it would have totaled $62.
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I had been eyeing the maple mags…after Bills review ordered 2…almost got the SST….I guess I dont understand Canadian math …my total came to $68.55 ..I computed $59.83 less PP fees and taxes…lol
The first one I ordered went through Ebay. Paypal paid $37.40. The second one I ordered directly from Maple Custom Products and Paypal paid $35 flat. Had I ordered both from Maple on the same order it would have totaled $62.
Operator error always cost me….I will pay more attention…I didnt know we had options for purchase…..thanks
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I had been eyeing the maple mags…after Bills review ordered 2…almost got the SST….I guess I dont understand Canadian math …my total came to $68.55 ..I computed $59.83 less PP fees and taxes…lol
The first one I ordered went through Ebay. Paypal paid $37.40. The second one I ordered directly from Maple Custom Products and Paypal paid $35 flat. Had I ordered both from Maple on the same order it would have totaled $62.
Operator error always cost me….I will pay more attention…I didnt know we had options for purchase…..thanks
I didn't either until I googled the Ebay seller (Maple Custom Products) this morning.
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I had been eyeing the maple mags…after Bills review ordered 2…almost got the SST….I guess I dont understand Canadian math …my total came to $68.55 ..I computed $59.83 less PP fees and taxes…lol
The first one I ordered went through Ebay. Paypal paid $37.40. The second one I ordered directly from Maple Custom Products and Paypal paid $35 flat. Had I ordered both from Maple on the same order it would have totaled $62.
Operator error always cost me….I will pay more attention…I didnt know we had options for purchase…..thanks
I didn't either until I googled the Ebay seller (Maple Custom Products) this morning.
From now on will check to see if vendor has website vs ebay presence ebay got to get their cut as does PP…lol
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The way I have it set up through a separate bank account I don't pay Paypal anything for F&F. $35 was $35. I don't pay them to transfer funds into that account as long as I don't request it instantly. It gets transferred next day for free. I have never paid Paypal one red cent in the more than 10 years I've been using them.
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Anywho... with the current tune on my NoDoze, it is NOT a 77yd. gun. The pellets dropped a good 16" from POA. But, I was bucking a pretty good wind through the woods with a 14.3 gr pellet.
Pretty sure the Avenger with .25 and 40 fpe will do much better. We'll see in the next few days.
I might even end up moving the new backstop in to 50yds. I won't need 77yds very often if at all.
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I just wanted to say i hope you guys are real proud of yourselves... because of this forum and this post i took the dive today and bought my first PCP gun. I did go ahead with the Notos after a day or two of back and forth between that and the hatsan Jet 2. I am super excited, now i just have to wait for BUds gunshop to ship my goodies!!! I also bought a compressor off of amazon, that bicycle pump looks like it might be a reason to not take so many shots, and who needs stuff like that in their life. I have plenty of pellets to get me started, but can you think of anything else i will need in order to start shooting the day the Notos arrives?
the compressor i got on amazon is titled...
Portable pcp air compressor 4500psi 300bar 12v DC or 110v AC with power supply,oil&water free,high pressure PCP Compressor Pump for Air Gun and Paintball/Scuba Tank
...and it is sold by orcair if you have any advice about that id love to hear it also
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I just wanted to say i hope you guys are real proud of yourselves... because of this forum and this post i took the dive today and bought my first PCP gun. I did go ahead with the Notos after a day or two of back and forth between that and the hatsan Jet 2. I am super excited, now i just have to wait for BUds gunshop to ship my goodies!!! I also bought a compressor off of amazon, that bicycle pump looks like it might be a reason to not take so many shots, and who needs stuff like that in their life. I have plenty of pellets to get me started, but can you think of anything else i will need in order to start shooting the day the Notos arrives?
the compressor i got on amazon is titled...
Portable pcp air compressor 4500psi 300bar 12v DC or 110v AC with power supply,oil&water free,high pressure PCP Compressor Pump for Air Gun and Paintball/Scuba Tank
...and it is sold by orcair if you have any advice about that id love to hear it also
Some kind of aiming devive ???
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I completely forgot about that :D I have a couple of scopes lying around here, a vortex crossfire II 4-12x44 and a hawke vantage 3-9x40. Im thinking i would love to go with the vortex so i can make sure i get headshots on those sparrows that keep killing my bluebirds but im not experienced enough with scopes so i will have to play with them i guess. Thanks for reminding me that could have been an aggravating situation
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I just wanted to say i hope you guys are real proud of yourselves... because of this forum and this post i took the dive today and bought my first PCP gun. I did go ahead with the Notos after a day or two of back and forth between that and the hatsan Jet 2. I am super excited, now i just have to wait for BUds gunshop to ship my goodies!!! I also bought a compressor off of amazon, that bicycle pump looks like it might be a reason to not take so many shots, and who needs stuff like that in their life. I have plenty of pellets to get me started, but can you think of anything else i will need in order to start shooting the day the Notos arrives?
the compressor i got on amazon is titled...
Portable pcp air compressor 4500psi 300bar 12v DC or 110v AC with power supply,oil&water free,high pressure PCP Compressor Pump for Air Gun and Paintball/Scuba Tank
...and it is sold by orcair if you have any advice about that id love to hear it also
Welcome to the rabbit hole. You could shoot the Notos one ragged hole 30 yards and in with cheapy value priced CPHPs or rabbit hole #2 lol. James is correct a sighting device of your choice.
IMHO the Notos is a deadly accurate sub 40 yard AG and a 3-9 or 2-7 scope should be adequate. If you're going to just hunt a 4X fixed or super light red dot is all you need again IMHO YMMV.....
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Medium mounts work for most, I am running a 3-9 x 32 to keep it light and not top heavy.
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Look into the Maple Custom Products high capacity mags.
https://maplecustomproducts.com/products/umarex-notos-artemis-spa-snowpeak-smk-pp750-mega-cap-magazine
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Im certainly a fan….Ive not done anything to mine except extended moderator and Im not really sure it was needed ….over scoped it…..rested shoots quarter size holes all day @ 30 yards..because of surgery on my neck to remove lymph node I had to use medium rings and .5 riser to get proper sight picture…..I just dont see how it gets any better…lol..good luck
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I ordered the Buck Rail hand guard to cover that nekid tube on the gun. It will also take M-Lok accessories like a flash light or bipod.
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I ordered the Buck Rail hand guard to cover that nekid tube on the gun. It will also take M-Lok accessories like a flash light or bipod.
Freezes my hand in December and January....M-Lok with a bipod sounds tempting. I like shooting prone, but there's always some undergrowth in the way when hunting. I can see bipod on table on target days with the plinking buddies...
I was considering the camo tape, got till August to decide...
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Here is another choice ……for u folks consideration…..good luck
https://www.ebay.com/itm/176223993556?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=Li7AQAeUTlW&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=_70jmZuBS5m&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
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I have a 3" pica rail to add to it.
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Bought a Notos from Natches the other day, it came quick, already did the drop block, gonna do my bottle upgrade and put a 3L carbon tank with 2800 psi regulator on it, looks like they changed the trigger, no back trigger adjustment screw, I added one from my junk drawer, just for better feel, this is gonna be a gift for my Brother, he has been a great help handling all the affairs when my Dad past away, he didn't want anything from the estate, so I am giving him this, He liked Mine so much, I figured this will make him happy. ;)
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Bought a Notos from Natches the other day, it came quick, already did the drop block, gonna do my bottle upgrade and put a 3L carbon tank with 2800 psi regulator on it, looks like they changed the trigger, no back trigger adjustment screw, I added one from my junk drawer, just for better feel, this is gonna be a gift for my Brother, he has been a great help handling all the affairs when my Dad past away, he didn't want anything from the estate, so I am giving him this, He liked Mine so much, I figured this will make him happy. ;)
Really? No adjustment screw? Guess they really don’t want people adjusting them.
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Bought a Notos from Natches the other day, it came quick, already did the drop block, gonna do my bottle upgrade and put a 3L carbon tank with 2800 psi regulator on it, looks like they changed the trigger, no back trigger adjustment screw, I added one from my junk drawer, just for better feel, this is gonna be a gift for my Brother, he has been a great help handling all the affairs when my Dad past away, he didn't want anything from the estate, so I am giving him this, He liked Mine so much, I figured this will make him happy. ;)
Really? No adjustment screw? Guess they really don’t want people adjusting them.
just the front screw, I guess they thought it didn't need the back one since everyone was filing it down to smooth it out. ???
the Bottle and Regulator should be here today, I'll do a little test firing and leak test before I send it to my brother.
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I haven't shot my NoDoze in a few days. I'm waiting the M-Lok fore grip to arrive from Buck Rail. I'd like to find an angled Magpul type grip for it but they seem to think they are made of gold or something.
Betty Lou wanted some keyed alike cabinet locks to lock up guns and ammo so I added some M-Lok screws and nuts for adding the picca rail and other accessories if I choose to.
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I haven't shot my NoDoze in a few days. I'm waiting the M-Lok fore grip to arrive from Buck Rail. I'd like to find an angled Magpul type grip for it but they seem to think they are made of gold or something.
Betty Lou wanted some keyed alike cabinet locks to lock up guns and ammo so I added some M-Lok screws and nuts for adding the picca rail and other accessories if I choose to.
I just bought 3 of these AR Stoner grips from Midway for $3.99 ea
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1017650559?pid=104558
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I haven't shot my NoDoze in a few days. I'm waiting the M-Lok fore grip to arrive from Buck Rail. I'd like to find an angled Magpul type grip for it but they seem to think they are made of gold or something.
Betty Lou wanted some keyed alike cabinet locks to lock up guns and ammo so I added some M-Lok screws and nuts for adding the picca rail and other accessories if I choose to.
I have several of these on lego guns….maybe too bulky for your needs…good luck
https://www.wltactical.com/products/tactical-push-on-qr-vertical-forward-folding-foregrip-grip-for-picatinny-rails
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I haven't shot my NoDoze in a few days. I'm waiting the M-Lok fore grip to arrive from Buck Rail. I'd like to find an angled Magpul type grip for it but they seem to think they are made of gold or something.
Betty Lou wanted some keyed alike cabinet locks to lock up guns and ammo so I added some M-Lok screws and nuts for adding the picca rail and other accessories if I choose to.
I have several of these on lego guns….maybe too bulky for your needs…good luck
https://www.wltactical.com/products/tactical-push-on-qr-vertical-forward-folding-foregrip-grip-for-picatinny-rails
That looks like it might be an option.
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I haven't shot my NoDoze in a few days. I'm waiting the M-Lok fore grip to arrive from Buck Rail. I'd like to find an angled Magpul type grip for it but they seem to think they are made of gold or something.
Betty Lou wanted some keyed alike cabinet locks to lock up guns and ammo so I added some M-Lok screws and nuts for adding the picca rail and other accessories if I choose to.
I have several of these on lego guns….maybe too bulky for your needs…good luck
https://www.wltactical.com/products/tactical-push-on-qr-vertical-forward-folding-foregrip-grip-for-picatinny-rails
That looks like it might be an option.
My bad…That link was for example…out of stock ..but their all over the net and cheaper…good luck
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I'll keep looking, thanks
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The Buck Rail M-Lok fore grip came in this morning. It changes the look and feel of the gun. I like it alot.
The M-Lok screws will be here tomorrow and I can add the 3" section of picca rail to it.
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Certainly completes the gun…Not sure I like the foregrip…but really like the hand rail…Im not sure it needed the baffle extender but gun is whisper quiet….certainly one of my favorite shooter…...many thanks
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The fore grip adds some thickness to the front of the gun. The stock tube just felt thin and cold. After adding the fore grip I'm not even sure I need the angled grip I was looking for. The M-Lok screws are due to arrive tomorrow so I can add the picca rail. I have a flashlight mount and a bipod for accessory options.
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The M-Lok screws came so I mounted the 3" section of picca rails to the fore grip. Then I mounted the ring mount that allows me to swap for laser or flashlight. I put the green laseer on and ran the thumb switch to the thumc side of the pistol grip. I adjusted the laser to zero at 35 yds. Point and click from the hip can killing at 35 yards. ;D
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Sounds like it's gonna be a Good Tactical Rat Sniper, ;)
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Sounds like it's gonna be a Good Tactical Rat Sniper, ;)
Zombie beer can slayer... ;)
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:o :o :o :o 8) ;D
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The M-Lok screws came so I mounted the 3" section of picca rails to the fore grip. Then I mounted the ring mount that allows me to swap for laser or flashlight. I put the green laseer on and ran the thumb switch to the thumc side of the pistol grip. I adjusted the laser to zero at 35 yds. Point and click from the hip can killing at 35 yards. ;D
what kind of lasers work well on air rifles like this? i have always been worried about them holding zero but would love more info if it is working out for you guys. Thanks ;)
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The M-Lok screws came so I mounted the 3" section of picca rails to the fore grip. Then I mounted the ring mount that allows me to swap for laser or flashlight. I put the green laseer on and ran the thumb switch to the thumc side of the pistol grip. I adjusted the laser to zero at 35 yds. Point and click from the hip can killing at 35 yards. ;D
what kind of lasers work well on air rifles like this? i have always been worried about them holding zero but would love more info if it is working out for you guys. Thanks ;)
Of all the lasers I have I like this one best so far www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGS7KCKD/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?
I started a Laser thread in the optics gate, here is a basic rundown on best practice.
https://youtu.be/OSNrjtJavW0
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I'll get some pics of mine up today. I have a few lasers around that are just your basic ChiCom stuff. They can be swapped from pressure switch to click on and off.
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Wow... I haven't fought with a gun like that in a very long time....
The one thing I was missing on the NoDoze that I really wanted was a side focus scope. With the new North Range setup, we have lots of targets at varying distances.
Commence the whining....
With my old eyes I absolutely need adjustable AO. But, with my poorly installed total reverse shoulder replacement (no rotator cuff) it's a series of contorting to reach and adjust it while looking through the glass.
So this morning I went on a hunt among my scoped guns to find one suitable without seriously down grading the donor gun.
Sounds simple enough as I had 3 candidates.... not so much.
I needed high piccatinny rings to clear the Maple high capacity mags. I also needed to clear the wheel with the mag or remove it.
2 scopes had 30mm tubes... the one with high rings were for a dovetail. The one with piccatinny rings were medium and would not clear the mags.
I settled on the 3rd one. A Discovery with a small wheel and 20mm tube. Perfect ! The Fortitude won't miss it... for now.
Then the problems started...
For some odd reason I couldn't get those tall rings to center windage. I either ran out of adjustment right or I ran out left due to the rear ring having to sit back past the last notch on the rail for the mag to clear the wheel and get good eye relief. I dinked with this thing for an hour before I got it centered and secured.
But I did indeed get it. What a pita. !
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Im a big fan of the CP AO for $100 from PA…some guns (maybe this one ) they are a little overwhelming i guess…good luck
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Looks good Phil...
I'll have to post a pic of mine. It sits quite a bit lower. The mags just barely fit under the tube in front of the turret housing.
I must admit, I got pretty lucky how close it fits. I like to keep the center of the scope as close to the center of the bore as possible.
I see you also got the Buck Rail M-Lok fore stock. I like it alot. It feels much better in the hand than just the tube did.
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Looks good Phil...
I'll have to post a pic of mine. It sits quite a bit lower. The mags just barely fit under the tube in front of the turret housing.
I must admit, I got pretty lucky how close it fits. I like to keep the center of the scope as close to the center of the bore as possible.
I see you also got the Buck Rail M-Lok fore stock. I like it alot. It feels much better in the hand than just the tube did.
I know u folks prefer that..but I have to go where the fitment takes me…lol
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Looks good Phil...
I'll have to post a pic of mine. It sits quite a bit lower. The mags just barely fit under the tube in front of the turret housing.
I must admit, I got pretty lucky how close it fits. I like to keep the center of the scope as close to the center of the bore as possible.
I see you also got the Buck Rail M-Lok fore stock. I like it alot. It feels much better in the hand than just the tube did.
I know u folks prefer that..but I have to go where the fitment takes me…lol
Yep, like I said... I got more lucky than anything else.
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Charging up one of the tablets for some overdue pics today.
If I had the money all my scopes would be side focus. Once you figure hold over and under all you have to do is adjust the objective focus. My nearest targets are 25yds and my farthest are 45yds. I zero on the 35yd targets. About a mil over and a mil under gets the job done depending on pellet weight in use.
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I got the NoDoze out this morning. I have the GX CS3 compressor on a table just inside the window from the Red Shed to the North Range Shootin' Shack. I got the a/c cranked in the Red Shed so I'm filling with dry air. After 2 3625 fills and 4 mags I checked the filter in the inline filter and it was bone dry.
I'm shooting the JTS 18.1 Dead Center domes and they are Dead Nut accurate out to my 45yd targets. The Discovery side focus scope is a perfect match with medium rings. The smaller side wheel allows just the right amount of clearance for the 15 shot Maple mags. 2 full mags takes me right to the regulator drop off and depending on how fast I cycle the mag I get 700 - 720 fps. If I take my time I can lower that spread.
I also began a page in my log book to track the shooting experiences and results.
I have no plans to do anything else to this gun... well, maybe not... I'm still waiting for the trigger to smooth out a bit more. If not I may go back in for some more touching up.
I just went back and read this entire thread. It was nice to revisit the experience/progression. Thanks to all those who contributed and hopefully others can reference with it.
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Thank you, Bill.
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LOL Rion... thank those enablers that got me into this. ;)
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I got the NoDoze out this morning. I have the GX CS3 compressor on a table just inside the window from the Red Shed to the North Range Shootin' Shack. I got the a/c cranked in the Red Shed so I'm filling with dry air. After 2 3625 fills and 4 mags I checked the filter in the inline filter and it was bone dry.
I'm shooting the JTS 18.1 Dead Center domes and they are Dead Nut accurate out to my 45yd targets. The Discovery side focus scope is a perfect match with medium rings. The smaller side wheel allows just the right amount of clearance for the 15 shot Maple mags. 2 full mags takes me right to the regulator drop off and depending on how fast I cycle the mag I get 700 - 720 fps. If I take my time I can lower that spread.
I also began a page in my log book to track the shooting experiences and results.
I have no plans to do anything else to this gun... well, maybe not... I'm still waiting for the trigger to smooth out a bit more. If not I may go back in for some more touching up.
I just went back and read this entire thread. It was nice to revisit the experience/progression. Thanks to all those who contributed and hopefully others can reference with it.
I've seen a few posts on the JTS 18.1s....hmm... I just shot ragged hole at 24yards at the LGR with JSBs and CPHPs and MOS with everything else. Curious how your Notos does with your 217RF20s? I'm MOS at 24yards and ragged hole at 15yards with my "hand sorted" 217RF20s....I'm also hovering over a cart with the Maple mags for the pp800r project. Many thanks for your posts.
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Pretty sure I tried them and posted results in my casting thread. I don't really remember how they did. If this weather continues to move out today and don't leave a big mess to clean up I'll see if I can send some downrange.
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Got to the shooting deck with the NoDoze after a minor clean up and a store run.
As I said, the JTS 18.1 stack pellets and I zeroed it at 30yds. last time out.
Next I tried the CPUM and CPHP and both stacked at 2 mil left.
Finally I tried the 217 hunters and magnums at 19.3 and 22.40 respectively. Both opened to 1" groups.
I'm sure I could do better with the heavier pellets by increasing power and sacrificing shot count.
I have 4 tins of JTS and 10 tins of CPHP/CPUM on hand and I'm not willing to change my tune until those are gone.
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BTW, just for the record...
I had some Crosman 19.1 heavies on hand... same results as the hunters and magnums. My current tune just does not like the heavy stuff.
I keep hoping that NOE would make a mold/s between 15 and 18 gr. in .22.
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Got to the shooting deck with the NoDoze after a minor clean up and a store run.
As I said, the JTS 18.1 stack pellets and I zeroed it at 30yds. last time out.
Next I tried the CPUM and CPHP and both stacked at 2 mil left.
Finally I tried the 217 hunters and magnums at 19.3 and 22.40 respectively. Both opened to 1" groups.
I'm sure I could do better with the heavier pellets by increasing power and sacrificing shot count.
I have 4 tins of JTS and 10 tins of CPHP/CPUM on hand and I'm not willing to change my tune until those are gone.
I'm going to explore a theory with the Notos. I might see how hard I can push the CPHP. If I can get them to deform and group $0.023/rnd would make it hard to keep casting 217RF20s. IF I can't get both objectives with the CPHPs I'll return to a 20fpe 24 shot per fill JSB/JTS 18 tune (and shoot the casts for backyard endless recycle plinkers). I too can get an all touching group at 15 yards but at 24 my 217RF20s open up to a Nickle sized ragged hole with a Quarter sized halo around it....
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I haven't shot my NoDoze in a few days. I'm waiting the M-Lok fore grip to arrive from Buck Rail. I'd like to find an angled Magpul type grip for it but they seem to think they are made of gold or something.
Betty Lou wanted some keyed alike cabinet locks to lock up guns and ammo so I added some M-Lok screws and nuts for adding the picca rail and other accessories if I choose to.
I have several of these on lego guns….maybe too bulky for your needs…good luck
https://www.wltactical.com/products/tactical-push-on-qr-vertical-forward-folding-foregrip-grip-for-picatinny-rails
Ordered one of these. $11.99 and free shipping.
Thanks Phil
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My Notos CPHP experiment didn't get anywhere near 850fps. Settled on a 19.75fpe tune with 24 Apollo18s stacked in one hole at 15yards on one fill (0fps ES). The 217RF19.4 NOEs settled at 20fpe and about 7ES in a ragged hole about nickle size at 15 yards. Don't want to do anything irreversible to the AG at this point and don't want to touch anything on an AG that chronos 24 duplicate 703fps shots on one fill.....
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The consistency of the platform is surprisingly consistent. I have opened one up to really breathe as an experiment and the es was still quite low at 39fpe.
I think you could get a little more without disturbing the harmony but it looks like you have a nice thing going there.
Dave
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The consistency of the platform is surprisingly consistent. I have opened one up to really breathe as an experiment and the es was still quite low at 39fpe.
I think you could get a little more without disturbing the harmony but it looks like you have a nice thing going there.
Dave
Okay 35-39fpe sounds tempting if the ES remains low. Care to share what reversible and non-reversible mods got you there?
The TR Rob valve stem opened up my pp800r so I was considering that and another 1/8th turn on the regulator (at the expense of shot count I'm sure).
I'm assuming you opened the TP to 4mm and added volume to the valve/ported flow paths?
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A lot of what was done is irreversible.
Opened transfer path to .213”
Opened barrel transfer to equivalent
Moved probe shoulder back and thinned
Made a flat seat valve w/peek poppet
Poppet stem .078”
Factory valve spring
Opened up the tank mount path
Added a plenum to make 21cc of vol.
Transfer path required tapping bottom drill plug for 1/4-28 and making a new screw, the same oring was used here.
I set the factory reg at 2600’ish checked via the bleed port.
Like I said, just an experiment and I haven’t checked accuracy yet. I do plan on putting a tp choke so I can tune back down.
Dave
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A lot of what was done is irreversible.
Opened transfer path to .213”
Opened barrel transfer to equivalent
Moved probe shoulder back and thinned
Made a flat seat valve w/peek poppet
Poppet stem .078”
Factory valve spring
Opened up the tank mount path
Added a plenum to make 21cc of vol.
Transfer path required tapping bottom drill plug for 1/4-28 and making a new screw, the same oring was used here.
I set the factory reg at 2600’ish checked via the bleed port.
Like I said, just an experiment and I haven’t checked accuracy yet. I do plan on putting a tp choke so I can tune back down.
Dave
Many thanks for sharing. I've considered the plenum but the shroud removal is irreversible and requires a lathe and/or courage, neither of which I have, mixed with Murphy's luck. I think I'm around 2200ish on the regulator from others 2600 on the reg would take my 24 shot count down to around 18 and increase the muzzle report.
I think for me things over 35 yards or that don't go down with a 20fpe headache will have a 100fpe .303 chest hole the next time I see them....lol
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Completely understandable. Like I mentioned, this was just an experiment. Fwiw, I feel that a significant increase could be had by opening up the barrel transfer and the choke point in the tube mounting block.
Have fun!
Dave
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I haven't shot my NoDoze in a few days. I'm waiting the M-Lok fore grip to arrive from Buck Rail. I'd like to find an angled Magpul type grip for it but they seem to think they are made of gold or something.
Betty Lou wanted some keyed alike cabinet locks to lock up guns and ammo so I added some M-Lok screws and nuts for adding the picca rail and other accessories if I choose to.
I have several of these on lego guns….maybe too bulky for your needs…good luck
https://www.wltactical.com/products/tactical-push-on-qr-vertical-forward-folding-foregrip-grip-for-picatinny-rails
Ordered one of these. $11.99 and free shipping.
Thanks Phil
It arrived today and I put it on the gun... I like it alot.... another accessory to add to the NoDoze kit.
Thanks again, Phil.
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I haven't shot my NoDoze in a few days. I'm waiting the M-Lok fore grip to arrive from Buck Rail. I'd like to find an angled Magpul type grip for it but they seem to think they are made of gold or something.
Betty Lou wanted some keyed alike cabinet locks to lock up guns and ammo so I added some M-Lok screws and nuts for adding the picca rail and other accessories if I choose to.
I have several of these on lego guns….maybe too bulky for your needs…good luck
https://www.wltactical.com/products/tactical-push-on-qr-vertical-forward-folding-foregrip-grip-for-picatinny-rails
Ordered one of these. $11.99 and free shipping.
Thanks Phil
It arrived today and I put it on the gun... I like it alot.... another accessory to add to the NoDoze kit.
Thanks again, Phil.
My pleasure…..just PIFing it…lol
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Yep... today is a NoDoze shootin' kinda day. It likes the 19.2 and 19.4 RF Hunter cast pellets along with the JTS 18.1.
I hook the gun to the CS3 and while it tops off I load to 15 shot mags. After those 30 shots I fall off the reg then rinse and repeat.
This is the perfect tune for me. I would like the trigger a tad bit shorter and lighter. I may go back in after it one day.
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Yep... today is a NoDoze shootin' kinda day. It likes the 19.2 and 19.4 RF Hunter cast pellets along with the JTS 18.1.
Yeah ,I shot my commander .177 after I got the a-frame and hoist set up…lol… with 30 mm AO scope 12 lbs.. on bathroom scale…then switched over to the 3677 and felt like shooting a feather…..good luck
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Hey... long time no post to this thread.
I ordered the aluminum cocking lever from saneroner and it should be here in a day or 2.
Today I was in the shop looking for something to do so I took the Notos apart and got it ready to install the new lever.
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Hey... long time no post to this thread.
I ordered the aluminum cocking lever from saneroner and it should be here in a day or 2.
Today I was in the shop looking for something to do so I took the Notos apart and got it ready to install the new lever.
That looks pretty cool! It's not for me though. I'm trying to keep my Notos as anorexic as possible.
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Hey... long time no post to this thread.
I ordered the aluminum cocking lever from saneroner and it should be here in a day or 2.
Today I was in the shop looking for something to do so I took the Notos apart and got it ready to install the new lever.
That looks pretty cool! It's not for me though. I'm trying to keep my Notos as anorexic as possible.
It's aluminum so shouldn't weigh much more than stock.
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I looked it up on ebay…looks well made,price not that bad if I really needed one….good luck
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I looked it up on ebay…looks well made,price not that bad if I really needed one….good luck
Best to just send him an email at saneroner@gmail.com
Here is a good video on how to install it. This is the plastic one for the SPA but it's the same exact procedure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtnuzetoRvY
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Installed the new Saneroner cocking lever on the NoDoze today. Looks and works great. Nice upgrade.
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Installed the new Saneroner cocking lever on the NoDoze today. Looks and works great. Nice upgrade.
Bill! That lever looks fantastic! Enjoy using it 👍
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Thanks Randall..
Yep, as you can see I have the wheel on the scope for focus. With the oem lever I had to kinda get my finger under it to cock the gun... not any more... works great.
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I have found that if you leave the regulator setting stock (2,100-1,900 psi) and only cut the hammer spring to 2 1/2-3 turns you will get the power reduction your looking for (12-13 fpe).
If you lower the regulator and cut the spring all you are doing is moving the curve and the energy pretty much stays the same but you loose shot count.
When I put the reg back to 2,000ps (stock) I got the energy reduction I was looking for. At this setting I'm on the reg at 3,100psi and off around 2,000psi with 45-50 good shots. These guns are really easy to tune down and improve the shot count.
I'm impressed with the overall quality, accuracy and ease of tuning. It took me weeks to tune my P-rod. The Notos took me one day!
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Nice! That is a whole lot of shots for such a small air reservoir 👍. Shooting 18gr I get 27-30 shots stock tune on mine. Heavier ammo usually affords a few more shots as the valve closes a tic quicker.
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I think I got spoiled...
I got one of the modified trigger sears from THammer for the P-Force and it's amazing. Next I did the 2 M5x12 grub screw mod to the Avenger.. again, game changer. I've been shooting those 2 guns exclusively for the past couple weeks. To change things up a bit I pulled out the NoDoze this morning. First just let me say this... I topped that gun off the last time I put it away, at least 2 weeks ago and the needle was setting right on the full mark this morning when I got it out of the case.
Anyways, I loaded up a couple 15 round Maple mags and headed to the shooting bench.
Now I know I did some polishing and lubing of this trigger sometime back and I don't remember it being this long, crunchy and heavy. So to the workbench we went.
I pulled the trigger adjustment screw out, the one that goes right through the trigger. Didn't even have to pull the gun apart to get to it.
I have some die stones from when I was in tool and die before I retired. 3 sequential levels of grit. I worked the tip of the grub though all 3 levels. I applied a dab of SS grease and put it back in.
I cocked the gun and made sure the was no pellet in it. Then I slowly turned the screw in until the gun fired and backed it off 1/4 turn. I cocked the gun again and engaged the safety. I pulled the trigger and the safety worked great.
Back to the bench... I loaded a mag and aimed down range.... WOW !! Just the slightest first pull and SNAP, she let off. I ran through that mag and every shot was right there... smooth, light and predictable.
Imma spend the better part of the rest of the day shooting this gun.
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Well that didn't take long... The spoiled monster raised it's ugly head again. This time it was all about shot count.
30 shots per fill is a far cry from the 60+ I get from the other 2 guns.
Note to self: The NoDoze needs a bottle.
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Well that didn't take long... The spoiled monster raised it's ugly head again. This time it was all about shot count.
30 shots per fill is a far cry from the 60+ I get from the other 2 guns.
Note to self: The NoDoze needs a bottle.
How about just a tether? That way, you don't lose the lightweight and compact quality of the little gun.
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Well that didn't take long... The spoiled monster raised it's ugly head again. This time it was all about shot count.
30 shots per fill is a far cry from the 60+ I get from the other 2 guns.
Note to self: The NoDoze needs a bottle.
How about just a tether? That way, you don't lose the lightweight and compact quality of the little gun.
Removing the tube and replacing it with a drop block and cf tank won't change the overall weight by much. But yes, tethering is an option.
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Well that didn't take long... The spoiled monster raised it's ugly head again. This time it was all about shot count.
30 shots per fill is a far cry from the 60+ I get from the other 2 guns.
Note to self: The NoDoze needs a bottle.
How about just a tether? That way, you don't lose the lightweight and compact quality of the little gun.
Removing the tube and replacing it with a drop block and cf tank won't change the overall weight by much. But yes, tethering is an option.
It will make it chunkier 8)
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LOL. persistent little bugger, ain't ya?
Ok, I gave in... I have a 30 minute scba tank and it just happened to have 3500 psi in it. I took it to the outside shooting deck and put a hose extension on it to give me more freedom of moving the gun around on the bench.
I have 2 15 round Maple mags and 1 12 round Big Air mag. I ran through all the mags 3 times and could hardly tell the needle on the tank gauge moved.
Yeah, this is definitely a viable option.
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LOL. persistent little bugger, ain't ya?
Ok, I gave in... I have a 30 minute scba tank and it just happened to have 3500 psi in it. I took it to the outside shooting deck and put a hose extension on it to give me more freedom of moving the gun around on the bench.
I have 2 15 round Maple mags and 1 12 round Big Air mag. I ran through all the mags 3 times and could hardly tell the needle on the tank gauge moved.
Yeah, this is definitely a viable option.
...and the Notos is still sleek and stream lined! :D
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Been playing around with my Notos lately and the more I shoot this little rifle the more I love it . The other day I installed this 25cc Plenum that I bought off Ebay and the increase in FPS for the 3 pellets I've been using (CPL, Kodiak & JSB 15.9 gr) was pretty nice...... average increase was right around 60 FPS...... and the nice thing with this plenum is that it does not require you to remove the factory suppressor. I did have to do a little bit of surgery and alter my BuckRail foregrip to fit with this plenum but that was very easy. Plenum was very easy to install (great video by the seller) and even is setup to install a gauge if you desire to,which I don't. Anyway, I'm loving this rifle, now I just wish some starlings would show up in the yard :)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/387845865297?_skw=notos+plenum&itmmeta=01JT7B48DKH0XMK6RFBA5MAJYJ&hash=item5a4d6a3f51:g:X3QAAOSwVf5nj7Mn&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA8FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1cn9Wu06JD8qISEiQtvYxwcLl0pbVV4J1u%2BFekp8hkcXJom2mceT31gZYOj8UeSfMxAtW6Ya8p1XqfoGxPqFwLOWDvQosJHpslolC6eNZyGyWuHdar58b5eSFkc5g8PKJf7U1O26IdmXe6p04y%2FRJS1N%2BpG6RDiLBOaFM%2BLLj6QiA%2BDLDWUlPRKHYraFYaI%2F2Uq7jMC90GF4HKrMta2dYmWEGEPn4gA0ZsHQwmVsFi6lEtjmq6UWWiHs7aRwuFbyNR2%2Fbl3azN9gJ6atqQFWNuChPFjhJj4Fwh1mPv1q01oxA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4aHkevRZQ
Jeff