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Airguns by Make and Model => Crosman Airguns => Topic started by: MileHighAirgunner on January 22, 2021, 09:34:52 AM
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Stumbled across the new 2021 Crosman catalog last night.
https://www.crosman.com/storage/catalog_files/VOC21-Crosman.pdf (https://www.crosman.com/storage/catalog_files/VOC21-Crosman.pdf)
for all you Crosman pump gun fans looks like they got a new full size rifle version of the 1377/22.
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I so hope that's true! If it is I am ordering two!
I don't see them on their website yet though.
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pretty much makes the 392 and 397 obsolete.. It also has a longer forearm for easier pumping.. So 2 huge benefits.
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The 392 & 397 are still being offered.
https://www.crosman.com/storage/catalog_files/VOC21-Benjamin.pdf (https://www.crosman.com/storage/catalog_files/VOC21-Benjamin.pdf)
Benjamin catalog thread here
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182922.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182922.0)
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The 392 & 397 are still being offered.
https://www.crosman.com/storage/catalog_files/VOC21-Benjamin.pdf (https://www.crosman.com/storage/catalog_files/VOC21-Benjamin.pdf)
Benjamin catalog thread here
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182922.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182922.0)
yes, but their still mechanically obsolete.. A lot of obsolete guns are still popular.
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The 392 & 397 are still being offered.
https://www.crosman.com/storage/catalog_files/VOC21-Benjamin.pdf (https://www.crosman.com/storage/catalog_files/VOC21-Benjamin.pdf)
Benjamin catalog thread here
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182922.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182922.0)
yes, but their still mechanically obsolete.. A lot of obsolete guns are still popular.
Ouch. I have an excuse to go ahead and get one last 392 now.
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The 392 & 397 are still being offered.
https://www.crosman.com/storage/catalog_files/VOC21-Benjamin.pdf (https://www.crosman.com/storage/catalog_files/VOC21-Benjamin.pdf)
Benjamin catalog thread here
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182922.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182922.0)
yes, but their still mechanically obsolete.. A lot of obsolete guns are still popular.
Ouch. I have an excuse to go ahead and get one last 392 now.
ITS not a bad thing , but obviously the 362 is an improved design with lots of aftermarket potential up top
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The 362 looks like they put a 2260 breech, barrel and trigger unit on a longer pump tube with a synthetic stock. Its a bit like what some of us have been doing with longer 2200 and 66 model pump tubes and 2260 parts. I have been using wood stocks, 2260 steel breech, barrel and triggers on longer pump tubes to do this for years. I wondered if they might get around to doing such a gun. A 362 with a steel breech would be better. Guess I'll have to get one to tinker on. (http://)
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I can't tell - does it come with a steel breech? And does it look like barrels could be swapped like a 1322? Not sure how long the barrel is on the 362.
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The one in the picture on the original post does not appear to have a steel breech.
I cannot access the website from work. They have anything gun related blocked.
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It looks like the plastic 22xx breech in the catalog picture. With that type breech it should swap barrels like any 22xx and accept a steel breech. At least I hope so. I wonder what length the compression tube is since it's rated 800fps but does not tell at what number of pumps or pellet used.
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I would be highly disappointed in Crosman if it didn't accept a steel breech. Matter of fact, it should have came with one.
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I would be highly disappointed in Crosman if it didn't accept a steel breech. Matter of fact, it should have came with one.
will be custom shop maybe.. ;)
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Its definitely a plastic breech. It has the 1377/22 rear sight on it. I don't think they are going to drill and tap a steel breech to mount a sight to an over the counter rifle.
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I'm a fan of the 1322 and this looks like a good subject for tinkering and upgrades. "800 fps" sounds pretty optimistic for a .22 pumper, though. Of course I need another pumper like I need a hole in the head.
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Looks like the steel breech may be plug and play. Boy - a rifle platform with 1322 tinkering ability would really be great.
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Wow - great find !
And smart move from Crosman...
Yes, with steel breech or steel breech option please. To properly mount your scope. The big miss imho in comparison with the 39x platform.
Oh and dear Crosman, can you hear me: offer one with a wood stock as well :D
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looking at the breech length(13xx) of ~3.6" to guess barrel length I would say tis about a 22" barrel... and that makes the pump tube about 19"-20"... the 2100 pump tube is 17" and it is the longest stroke pumper other than the 140/1400...it looks to be the 13xx/2100/66/760 pump tube diameter... and maybe yay a bolted pump pin....now lets hope they did not cripple the valve to much...
Gotta say I have a .25 barrel turned down for the 2100 pump tube/13xx 1325 I made... if the valve is big enough or has the ability to be hogged out...
looks as tho making a nice .177 would just take a barrel and bolt...
well anyways it looks like they finally paid some attention to all of us 13xx carbine modders/makers 8) 8) 8)
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I do wonder about calling it a 362... The Benji 362 was a co2 rifle...
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I'm a fan of the 1322 and this looks like a good subject for tinkering and upgrades. "800 fps" sounds pretty optimistic for a .22 pumper, though. Of course I need another pumper like I need a hole in the head.
800 fps advertised by Crosman, most probably with a lightweigth pellet. I'm guessing you'll get around 600-650 fps with ''standard'' 14.3 grains pellet. 8)
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It does look like the pump tube may be longer than a 2100. It would be fun to put in a Mountain Air or Mellon flat top piston and valve and see what it does on 8 pumps. The longer tube would give more power per pump than a 2100 tube but I don't see 800fps with 14.3g pellet unless you pump more than 8.
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You are probably right on the velocity - but even so, it's 12-14 FPE gun, which is a really legit little hunter. And I'm guessing at just 5 pumps or so it's going to have plenty of smack for target shooting.
So exciting to finally see something new in the MSP platform. Looks like it may be designed for easier pumping leverage as well. Would be sweet to have one that pumps as easy as an 880 and hit's like a 392.
And a little clearance on the end for a TKO too it appears?
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My first legitimate hunter was a MSP. That was 40 years ago. I haven't been interested in them in years, but this one looks like it has possibilities.
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At least it's a step in the right direction sort of.
Needs wood furniture, steel breech, and standard length tube.
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First thing I thought when I saw the picture was “Slap a steel breech on that and we are talking business!” Me likey! Me want! Thanks for posting. I will definitely be getting one. I wonder what the custom shop will do to it?
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It does look a little bit longer in the tube than a 2200... But it might also be the pump lever pin block/barrel band, kinda looks extended a little bit. I'm willing to bet it is a 2200 length tube. Either way, I want one. Wonder when Canada will have them
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Forgive my ignorance, does someone know the expected price of the 362 ?
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According to the 2021 catalog there is not a Canadian version listed. There is not a price listed in the catalog either.
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Steel breech for sure. Wood stock option would be superb, but even a camo version of the synthetic would be good.
I'm guessing it's going to be on the loud side like a 392, so something to quiet things down a bit as well.
Wondering what the price is too?? With the plastic breech it can't be high end. With the 2100B going for $65-$75, I hope they put enough quality into this one to retail closer to $150 and be worth it.
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Plastic Breech and 21.5" barrel. I am not on this project and w are all working from home so I don't know if you can swap to a steel breech but I will ask.
I have seen results over 700 FPS with 14.3s at 10 pumps.
I think this is going to be a nice rifle. It being designed as a youth hunting rifle.
John
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Sounds awesome - thank you John!
The steel breech would be the single biggest bonus - even if it had to be after market.
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I have no real desire to get another pumper, "but" I probably will "have to". A Baker trigger, steel breach and Maximus barrel will be waiting to slap on, as I already have collecting dust. Will be interesting to see what 4-5 pumps gives you. That would make a heck of a sparrow/ ground squirrel buster. It will be interesting to see what it retails for.
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Midway Has the 362 on their website now. Someone’s information is wrong because they list it as a .177 caliber. They have it priced at 89.99 which seemed about right to me. I doubt their estimated in stock date is accurate either.
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I must say the pumping on my year old 2100 is nice and smooth compared to my 1322, so if it's like that would be a bonus. And it looks to have a real barrel, not a soda straw inside a liner like the 2100, another upgrade.
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it appears to me to be the larger tube ( i.e .750 inside diamter ) and not the smaller tube ( .620 i.d ) i could be wrong .
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Midway Has the 362 on their website now. Someone’s information is wrong because they list it as a .177 caliber. They have it priced at 89.99 which seemed about right to me. I doubt their estimated in stock date is accurate either.
Because they are claiming 800fps, I'm inclined to believe .177 is correct , but who knows?
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Midway Has the 362 on their website now. Someone’s information is wrong because they list it as a .177 caliber. They have it priced at 89.99 which seemed about right to me. I doubt their estimated in stock date is accurate either.
Because they are claiming 800fps, I'm inclined to believe .177 is correct , but who knows?
Few posts up crosman engineer says he has seen results of over 700 with 14.3, that is a common .22 weight. It makes sense to me that they would offer it in both calibers though.
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Midway is very likely to have it wrong... their page says it's rifled then lower down says it is a smooth bore.. ;)
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Midway Has the 362 on their website now. Someone’s information is wrong because they list it as a .177 caliber. They have it priced at 89.99 which seemed about right to me. I doubt their estimated in stock date is accurate either.
Because they are claiming 800fps, I'm inclined to believe .177 is correct , but who knows?
The Crosman catalog only listed it in .22 caliber. The model 362 also denotes .22 caliber. If it came in .177 I would think there would be a 367 model just like we have 1322 & 1377 and 392 & 397 etc...
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Currently it is a .22 as this gun is being designed with youth hunters in mind. 12ft-lbs+ and easier to pump than the 392. Both were accomplished along with hitting the price point.
John
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Sounds like a great combination - thank you Crosman.
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I look forward to getting my hands on one. Looks interesting.
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Currently it is a .22 as this gun is being designed with youth hunters in mind. 12ft-lbs+ and easier to pump than the 392. Both were accomplished along with hitting the price point.
John
Count this old kid in for one :)
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One wish that I have seen more than once on this forum is that Crosman would reintroduce a .22 caliber pump air rifle as opposed to a pistol or carbine. People have mentioned a new 2200 or 140. I think this 362 is a smart idea. I think Crosman is listening to us. I wonder if a 2260 or qb78 wood stock could be moded to fit?
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It looks like you can modify a 2260 wood stock to work on this gun as I did on the pumper I pictured earlier in this thread. Mine was using a 3/4" pump tube from a model 66. The 2260 is a 7/8" tube but the 3/4" tube fits fine with no side play and is hardly noticeable in the slightly wider inlet of a 2260. You could also glass bed it if desired. The hardest part is cutting the angle for the pump arm and a slot for the metal pump lever. The 2260 stock may result in a shorter wood pump arm as the 362 arm looks to be longer. Just noticed you would need a 2289 type front barrel band when converting to a wood stock as the one on the synthetic one is made to match that stock. I think you would need a 2100 metal pump lever for the longer pump arm if the 362 metal lever did not work with the wood stock.
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One wish that I have seen more than once on this forum is that Crosman would reintroduce a .22 caliber pump air rifle as opposed to a pistol or carbine. People have mentioned a new 2200 or 140. I think this 362 is a smart idea. I think Crosman is listening to us. I wonder if a 2260 or qb78 wood stock could be moded to fit?
Me too! I know people make their own. But I’m not a machinist, I work usually 6 days a week. “Free time” mostly goes to wife and kids.
When would I get around to turning a 1322 into a full size 12fpe thumper?
I also think this platform stepped up to a 20fpe .25 would be a really cool backyard thumper. The “experts” say 20fpe isn’t enough for .25- yet there are numerous Hatsan 95 and XS28 owners who are quite happy.
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One wish that I have seen more than once on this forum is that Crosman would reintroduce a .22 caliber pump air rifle as opposed to a pistol or carbine. People have mentioned a new 2200 or 140. I think this 362 is a smart idea. I think Crosman is listening to us. I wonder if a 2260 or qb78 wood stock could be moded to fit?
Me too! I know people make their own. But I’m not a machinist, I work usually 6 days a week. “Free time” mostly goes to wife and kids.
When would I get around to turning a 1322 into a full size 12fpe thumper?
I also think this platform stepped up to a 20fpe .25 would be a really cool backyard thumper. The “experts” say 20fpe isn’t enough for .25- yet there are numerous Hatsan 95 and XS28 owners who are quite happy.
Wow I can relate - I work 6 days a week, three kids at home - no time to tinker. Putting a scope on and actually sighting it qualifies as tinkering time for me ;D. So I can totally appreciate something that's close out of the box. And yup - I'd love to see a .25 cal - they make an R9 in it, so even 15 FPE would be cool.
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I'm pretty smitten with .25 caliber lately. I think a .25 pumper with the 22 grain wadcutter mold I'm getting would be a great package.
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One wish that I have seen more than once on this forum is that Crosman would reintroduce a .22 caliber pump air rifle as opposed to a pistol or carbine. People have mentioned a new 2200 or 140. I think this 362 is a smart idea. I think Crosman is listening to us. I wonder if a 2260 or qb78 wood stock could be moded to fit?
Me too! I know people make their own. But I’m not a machinist, I work usually 6 days a week. “Free time” mostly goes to wife and kids.
When would I get around to turning a 1322 into a full size 12fpe thumper?
I also think this platform stepped up to a 20fpe .25 would be a really cool backyard thumper. The “experts” say 20fpe isn’t enough for .25- yet there are numerous Hatsan 95 and XS28 owners who are quite happy.
Wow I can relate - I work 6 days a week, three kids at home - no time to tinker. Putting a scope on and actually sighting it qualifies as tinkering time for me ;D. So I can totally appreciate something that's close out of the box. And yup - I'd love to see a .25 cal - they make an R9 in it, so even 15 FPE would be cool.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RziFcwSyZQc
12fpe .25 cal.
Si is an awesome shooter. Very little pretense or BS with him.
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One wish that I have seen more than once on this forum is that Crosman would reintroduce a .22 caliber pump air rifle as opposed to a pistol or carbine. People have mentioned a new 2200 or 140. I think this 362 is a smart idea. I think Crosman is listening to us. I wonder if a 2260 or qb78 wood stock could be moded to fit?
Me too! I know people make their own. But I’m not a machinist, I work usually 6 days a week. “Free time” mostly goes to wife and kids.
When would I get around to turning a 1322 into a full size 12fpe thumper?
I also think this platform stepped up to a 20fpe .25 would be a really cool backyard thumper. The “experts” say 20fpe isn’t enough for .25- yet there are numerous Hatsan 95 and XS28 owners who are quite happy.
I have recently become a convert to .25. There were several squirrels down range of my Hatsan Striker last fall that found out that 18 fpe is quite sufficient unto the task. ;D
I’ll be happy with 16-17 fpe in .22 caliber and a trigger that wasn’t designed by a committee of lawyers.
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I hope this isn’t one of those “Let’s generate press.” type of things.
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I just got a .25 Diana Bandit hybrid from Airgun Archery Fun. I've been really impressed with how hard it hits. Can't wait to try some wadcutters in it for short range pesting.
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Any news on how long until these are actually shipping??? And it looks like this powerplant could totally pull of a .25 cal. version - that would be way too much fun!
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Anyone else babysitting their email for when Midway has these in stock?
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All - This project is a go and is moving along the development path. I am not sure of the time line but I would not be checking your e-mails daily for this to come out. I don't know when it will be out but I think it might be closer to summer. The stock mold tools take some time to design, machine and get running.
A .25 pumper sounds like some fun...
John
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Thanks for the feedback John - much appreciated!!!
I agree - if this could be done in .22 cal. and .25 cal., instead of the normal .177 and .22 as options I bet it would be hot!!!
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Thanks for the feedback John - much appreciated!!!
I agree - if this could be done in .22 cal. and .25 cal., instead of the normal .177 and .22 as options I bet it would be hot!!!
I would buy a .25 if it doesn't come out with problems or likely just take a chance and just buy it right away if it was available as a .25
Yes I really like .25 that much.
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Now this thread got me to wondering about .25cal. pumpers. I have two top end sets in .25 that I had on a Disco And a CO2 2260. I took the one off the 2260 and installed it on a retro style pumper I built using a 2100 pump tube with a flat top valve and piston. My first test came out at 16.84FP at 14 pumps with 20.06g H&N F.T. Trophy pellets at 615fps. Had a small bit of retained air so I need to drill and thread the end cap for a power adjuster. The same top end did 31.42fp on a disco at 840fps with a magnum valve and no power adjuster. I think there is potential for a .25 pumper at a reasonable distance and the 2100 tube pumps easy. A larger diameter tube would make more power on less pumps but would be harder to pump at higher number of strokes. I've been having a bit of fun with it today as it is a nice but cool day here. (http://)
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I can hardly wait for this one - imagine the possibilities.
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Poor little gun has not hit the shelves , and we are wanting to mod it already, it must be a good gun ;) ;D 8)
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It just needs a steel breech, a threaded barrel, and 2 more caliber options.
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There we go forgetting the Sheridan fans, how about .20 ??? ??? ???
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OOPS - my bad! I grew up on a Racine Sheridan, and they are the smoothest pumpers ever, with an excellent trigger. I wish I had three of them new in the box.
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I found a larger image and this listing for it - https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023242259 (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023242259)
If the length of 36" is accurate than it would appear that tube length AND barrel length are close to 20.5-21"
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You guys think a 1322 steel breech is going to fit this one?
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Not if it's a soldered barrel.
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Bill you have to look... it has a 13xx breech and barrel is not soldered...Of course the steel breech will fit...
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WOW... I thought I read somewhere it was soldered.... my bad.
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Crosman knows we're not going to be able to leave this thing stock. 🤣
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O’kay. I just gotta stick my oar in. I surmise that Crosman would want to keep development costs down and maintain compatibility with the existing “LEGO” guns. It makes a lot of sense from a manufacturing and marketing perspective. Use the existing 13XX plastic breech. It is in production and it is cheap. This creates an upgrade market for the also in production steel breech. This is a marketing no brainer. I also expect the Crosman custom shop will introduce some interesting upgrades to this platform.
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Bill you have to look... it has a 13xx breech and barrel is not soldered...Of course the steel breech will fit...
Had a look back... I guess this answers that.... again, my bad.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182911.msg156087538#msg156087538 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182911.msg156087538#msg156087538)
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Bill you have to look... it has a 13xx breech and barrel is not soldered...Of course the steel breech will fit...
Oh yeah - long steel breech and this one should get good power at 6-8 pumps - I can't wait to check one out. Midway has them on the site (but not in stock), but not Pyramyd - wonder why?
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The steel breech is a no brainer. It will be so much easier to add optics to this than the 392. Kinda curious about the trigger too. I'm thinking the same or similar to a 2260. I wonder if the m-rod trigger group can be swapped in without too much work if that's the case. As for power, it sounds like this one will have plenty - I might just leave the pump alone. Then again, I know myself. I'll probably buy 2, and really get into the guts of the second one (and eventually the first one too, after I'm done finding out what works on the second one)!
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I am more and more curious about this rifle. Looks like it may equal or surpass the old model 140/1400, performance-wise. Really something new. I personally see no need for .25 caliber, with all the heavy .22 pellets available.
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I agree - 0.22 cal. is probably optimal for this one. 0.25 would be a fun option.
I was about to take the dive on a $300 1322 project, but said "I'll wait and see if anything new comes out this year". For once it actually worked!!!
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I agree - 0.22 cal. is probably optimal for this one. 0.25 would be a fun option.
I was about to take the dive on a $300 1322 project, but said "I'll wait and see if anything new comes out this year". For once it actually worked!!!
I was just about to invest in a PCP back at New Years. I agonized about it until I decided that what I REALLY wanted was another Crosman 1400. So I found one. Now I have two. And eventually I will have a 362. ::)
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Bill you have to look... it has a 13xx breech and barrel is not soldered...Of course the steel breech will fit...
Oh yeah - long steel breech and this one should get good power at 6-8 pumps - I can't wait to check one out. Midway has them on the site (but not in stock), but not Pyramyd - wonder why?
I have noticed Midway gets out ahead of the ball, so to speak... It is not uncommon for them to advertise things that are not in production yet.
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I might buy one, I would buy it with a hardwood stock in a heart beat. :-[
I really don't need another pumper! so I'd buy it, yep that's what a Guy does.
In other news - I have the other 362 it's a Benjamin.
It's a C02 rifle, light weight, and wood!
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Agreed!!! If the only caliber they ran it in was .22 would be fine - I'd much rather see a wood stock option than a .25 cal. option.
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While I don't disagree, it sure would be cool if a .25 cal barrel for lego guns got added to the Crosman parts bin...
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While I don't disagree, it sure would be cool if a .25 cal barrel for lego guns got added to the Crosman parts bin...
AGREE!
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While I don't disagree, it sure would be cool if a .25 cal barrel for lego guns got added to the Crosman parts bin...
I would sure settle for that. I've got a 2250 setup on hpa that would be awesome in .25
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Waiting patiently. (not really)
This might turn out to be my favorite pump.
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While I don't disagree, it sure would be cool if a .25 cal barrel for lego guns got added to the Crosman parts bin...
I would sure settle for that. I've got a 2250 setup on hpa that would be awesome in .25
Yes, I like my 2550s. These are both C02 though.
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The 392 & 397 are still being offered.
https://www.crosman.com/storage/catalog_files/VOC21-Benjamin.pdf (https://www.crosman.com/storage/catalog_files/VOC21-Benjamin.pdf)
Benjamin catalog thread here
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182922.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182922.0)
yes, but their still mechanically obsolete.. A lot of obsolete guns are still popular.
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Yes, I like my 2550s. These are both C02 though.
Those are nice! You've got some really nice upgrades on the lower one.
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Yes, I like my 2550s. These are both C02 though.
Those are nice! You've got some really nice upgrades on the lower one.
Thanks, I have two .25 PCP too I just had a hard time finding the pic.
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Maybe I should hold off on the fabwork I was about to do to put a 2100 pump on my 1322... unfortunately I already spent the money for all the parts lol.
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If this gun is successful I predict the demise of the 392/397 in another year or two.
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If this gun is successful I predict the demise of the 392/397 in another year or two.
At this point with what they did to it with that ugly synthetic stock, I wish they were already gone.
I wish they would have let the 39x die in glory and released these instead of murdering those 2 models, but then I also wish the current so called 760 didn't exist and that they'd stop putting the Sheridan name on bb guns and .22 co2's.
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If this gun is successful I predict the demise of the 392/397 in another year or two.
At this point with what they did to it with that ugly synthetic stock, I wish they were already gone.
I wish they would have let the 39x die in glory and released these instead of murdering those 2 models, but then I also wish the current so called 760 didn't exist and that they'd stop putting the Sheridan name on bb guns and .22 co2's.
I gotta agree with pretty much all of that. :P
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If this gun is successful I predict the demise of the 392/397 in another year or two.
At this point with what they did to it with that ugly synthetic stock, I wish they were already gone.
I wish they would have let the 39x die in glory and released these instead of murdering those 2 models, but then I also wish the current so called 760 didn't exist and that they'd stop putting the Sheridan name on bb guns and .22 co2's.
It is weird. Those guns had the best post in notch sights around. The rear sight had zero slop once adjusted.
Then they put the guns in high comb stocks without a good scope dovetail. All kinds of backwards.
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Found this http://www.bigcountrysportinggoods.com/crosman-362-variable-pump-rifle/ (http://www.bigcountrysportinggoods.com/crosman-362-variable-pump-rifle/)
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http://www.explosivepowersports.com/crosman-362-variable-pump-rifle/ (http://www.explosivepowersports.com/crosman-362-variable-pump-rifle/)
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^ pretty sure those are drop shipping sights that don’t have the item in stock yet.
Just got off the phone with crosman. They aren’t being sold yet- as far as Crosman knows.
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Looks like another Crosnan airgun I'll have to get. I have one each of a 1377 and 1322 set up as follows. Steel breech, Crosman buttstocks, and both gave 4x32 rifle scopes. Stock barrels. These are short carbines, and both are fun as heck to shoot and fast handling little buggers. I have to rebuild the 1377.
These gave good accuracy to 10 yards and have been used for night ratting. I am looking forward to this new rifle.
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^ pretty sure those are drop shipping sights that don’t have the item in stock yet.
Just got off the phone with crosman. They aren’t being sold yet- as far as Crosman knows.
I think some will be in for a wait on what they paid for in advance, unknowingly, and deceived.
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Looks like a great little pumper that i’ll just have to try! :D
As far as replacing the 39x guns.... not too sure about that?
I think that would be a big mistake on crosmans part. :o
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From my viewpoint, dropping the wood stocks on thd 397/392 was a mistake. They should have made them easier to scope for owners. I think they are a solid airgun.
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Yep, and if they’re going to stay with synthetic stocks, they at least need to drop the comb a bit for iron sight shooting on the 39x.
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Yep, and if they’re going to stay with synthetic stocks, they at least need to drop the comb a bit for iron sight shooting on the 39x.
I agree it is a very lousy combination. My older brother bought one of each 392/397 and I am glad I didn't. They are a far cry from the Blue Streaks usability wise.
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From my viewpoint, dropping the wood stocks on thd 397/392 was a mistake. They should have made them easier to scope for owners. I think they are a solid airgun.
You would think that Crosman, of all airgun manufacturers, would understand the utility of their own steel breech design. The current production 397/392 could be saved by a simple dovetail making it much more appealing. Instead it is just an obsolete design updated with an ugly and poorly designed stock. Crosman should have left it alone or taken advantage of advances in technology to remake the gun as a 21st century, state of the art, multi-pump air rifle. In a wooden stock. ;D
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Nicely put, Carter, and may I add: AND also offer it in .20 caliber.
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Plastic breech is to keep unit price down and in more people's budget. Fortunately, upgrade parts available.
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I'd rather pay more and not have to mess with it. Maybe they'll offer a deluxe version.
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I'd rather pay more and not have to mess with it. Maybe they'll offer a deluxe version.
I am interested to see as well.
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I like the idea of the deluxe edition!
John
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I like the idea of the deluxe edition!
John
They will probably call it the "Sheridan" 362?... based on what was done with the 2260.
As long as it is DELUXE I don't mind, Crosman owns the brand, but IMO they should just use it for deluxe versions since they killed the .20 identity already.
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I like the idea of the deluxe edition!
John
They will probably call it the "Sheridan" 362?... based on what was done with the 2260.
As long as it is DELUXE I don't mind, Crosman owns the brand, but IMO they should just use it for deluxe versions since they killed the .20 identity already.
I'd probably buy a deluxe version with the wood stock and metal breech , but absolutely not if they put the Sheridan name on it.
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I like the idea of the deluxe edition!
John
They will probably call it the "Sheridan" 362?... based on what was done with the 2260.
As long as it is DELUXE I don't mind, Crosman owns the brand, but IMO they should just use it for deluxe versions since they killed the .20 identity already.
I'd probably buy a deluxe version with the wood stock and metal breech , but absolutely not if they put the Sheridan name on it.
Maybe that "ideology" has something to do with their lack of Sheridan branded airguns now. I think that diehard Sheridan fans from the older generation just have an idea what a Sheridan is and will not allow/accept a future that varies much from the past. Ideally, I think I am right with you on what a Sheridan should be, ".20 and quality", but my memories are not taken away since they moved on away from a great past.
I own 3 pumper Streaks and a F C02 Streak (stuck in the past, LOL). I also have a Wood 392 which OK but is a lesser version IMO. The 2260 Sheridan has some upgrades, Laser etched tube, and steel breech. I really doubt we would ever see a Deluxe Crosman with a Crosman laser etched tube, and I like the look of the laser etching enough to be OK with them using the Sheridan name on it, the laser etching has a classier look IMO.
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I like the idea of the deluxe edition!
John
They will probably call it the "Sheridan" 362?... based on what was done with the 2260.
As long as it is DELUXE I don't mind, Crosman owns the brand, but IMO they should just use it for deluxe versions since they killed the .20 identity already.
I'd probably buy a deluxe version with the wood stock and metal breech , but absolutely not if they put the Sheridan name on it.
Maybe that "ideology" has something to do with their lack of Sheridan branded airguns now. I think that diehard Sheridan fans from the older generation just have an idea what a Sheridan is and will not allow/accept a future that varies much from the past. Ideally, I think I am right with you on what a Sheridan should be, ".20 and quality", but my memories are not taken away since they moved on away from a great past.
I own 3 pumper Streaks and a F C02 Streak (stuck in the past, LOL). I also have a Wood 392 which OK but is a lesser version IMO. The 2260 Sheridan has some upgrades, Laser etched tube, and steel breech. I really doubt we would ever see a Deluxe Crosman with a Crosman laser etched tube, and I like the look of the laser etching enough to be OK with them using the Sheridan name on it, the laser etching has a classier look IMO.
I'm the opposite.
I hate lazer etching because ita cheap and easily worn away.
With knives I only own 2 out of 50 or so that do not have proper tang stamps.
My issue with Crosman and the Sheridan name is that they use wrong name on the pellets and put the name on the wrong guns.
However different it may be any .20 pumper would be better than nothing, but using the sheridan name on a .22 co2 rifle and some BB guns should be illegal.
It's just 100% wrong and they should be ashamed of themselves.
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I like the idea of the deluxe edition!
John
They will probably call it the "Sheridan" 362?... based on what was done with the 2260.
As long as it is DELUXE I don't mind, Crosman owns the brand, but IMO they should just use it for deluxe versions since they killed the .20 identity already.
I'd probably buy a deluxe version with the wood stock and metal breech , but absolutely not if they put the Sheridan name on it.
Maybe that "ideology" has something to do with their lack of Sheridan branded airguns now. I think that diehard Sheridan fans from the older generation just have an idea what a Sheridan is and will not allow/accept a future that varies much from the past. Ideally, I think I am right with you on what a Sheridan should be, ".20 and quality", but my memories are not taken away since they moved on away from a great past.
I own 3 pumper Streaks and a F C02 Streak (stuck in the past, LOL). I also have a Wood 392 which OK but is a lesser version IMO. The 2260 Sheridan has some upgrades, Laser etched tube, and steel breech. I really doubt we would ever see a Deluxe Crosman with a Crosman laser etched tube, and I like the look of the laser etching enough to be OK with them using the Sheridan name on it, the laser etching has a classier look IMO.
I'm the opposite.
I hate lazer etching because ita cheap and easily worn away.
With knives I only own 2 out of 50 or so that do not have proper tang stamps.
My issue with Crosman and the Sheridan name is that they use wrong name on the pellets and put the name on the wrong guns.
However different it may be any .20 pumper would be better than nothing, but using the sheridan name on a .22 co2 rifle and some BB guns should be illegal.
It's just 100% wrong and they should be ashamed of themselves.
Sheridan had a f. model that was C02,
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I have been away from airguns for a while. Got one of my Sheridans out and got the interest going again. I do like pumpers and thought there has to be something new out. I found the 362 pumper by chance and this thread. I am so glad to see something new coming out. I have never done any mods to a pumper but I think I will start with one of these when they come out. Thanks for the thread.
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I have a Sheridan F. Sweet gun.
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Crosman can call their new rifle whatever they want, I'm getting one.
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Crosman can call their new rifle whatever they want, I'm getting one.
Exactly! I am ready for a 362. I have my .22 Max barrel, breech and I need to order another Baker trigger, as I just used the spare I had. I have a bag full of Marauder baffle's and tubing to make a partial shroud. Bring it on Crosman! I also have a .177 Max barrel, that I may try slugs.
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I like the idea of the deluxe edition!
John
They will probably call it the "Sheridan" 362?... based on what was done with the 2260.
As long as it is DELUXE I don't mind, Crosman owns the brand, but IMO they should just use it for deluxe versions since they killed the .20 identity already.
I'd probably buy a deluxe version with the wood stock and metal breech , but absolutely not if they put the Sheridan name on it.
Maybe that "ideology" has something to do with their lack of Sheridan branded airguns now. I think that diehard Sheridan fans from the older generation just have an idea what a Sheridan is and will not allow/accept a future that varies much from the past. Ideally, I think I am right with you on what a Sheridan should be, ".20 and quality", but my memories are not taken away since they moved on away from a great past.
I own 3 pumper Streaks and a F C02 Streak (stuck in the past, LOL). I also have a Wood 392 which OK but is a lesser version IMO. The 2260 Sheridan has some upgrades, Laser etched tube, and steel breech. I really doubt we would ever see a Deluxe Crosman with a Crosman laser etched tube, and I like the look of the laser etching enough to be OK with them using the Sheridan name on it, the laser etching has a classier look IMO.
I'm the opposite.
I hate lazer etching because ita cheap and easily worn away.
With knives I only own 2 out of 50 or so that do not have proper tang stamps.
My issue with Crosman and the Sheridan name is that they use wrong name on the pellets and put the name on the wrong guns.
However different it may be any .20 pumper would be better than nothing, but using the sheridan name on a .22 co2 rifle and some BB guns should be illegal.
It's just 100% wrong and they should be ashamed of themselves.
Sheridan had a f. model that was C02,
Yes and the model E pistol, but those were .20 call brass construction true Sheridan guns.
A steel .22 caliber is not even remotely close to being a Sheridan gun, nor is a lever action bb gun or a Remington new model replica.
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Crosman can call their new rifle whatever they want, I'm getting one.
Me too! I won't cut off my nose to spite MY face! ;D
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I like the idea of the deluxe edition!
John
They will probably call it the "Sheridan" 362?... based on what was done with the 2260.
As long as it is DELUXE I don't mind, Crosman owns the brand, but IMO they should just use it for deluxe versions since they killed the .20 identity already.
I'd probably buy a deluxe version with the wood stock and metal breech , but absolutely not if they put the Sheridan name on it.
Maybe that "ideology" has something to do with their lack of Sheridan branded airguns now. I think that diehard Sheridan fans from the older generation just have an idea what a Sheridan is and will not allow/accept a future that varies much from the past. Ideally, I think I am right with you on what a Sheridan should be, ".20 and quality", but my memories are not taken away since they moved on away from a great past.
I own 3 pumper Streaks and a F C02 Streak (stuck in the past, LOL). I also have a Wood 392 which OK but is a lesser version IMO. The 2260 Sheridan has some upgrades, Laser etched tube, and steel breech. I really doubt we would ever see a Deluxe Crosman with a Crosman laser etched tube, and I like the look of the laser etching enough to be OK with them using the Sheridan name on it, the laser etching has a classier look IMO.
I'm the opposite.
I hate lazer etching because ita cheap and easily worn away.
With knives I only own 2 out of 50 or so that do not have proper tang stamps.
My issue with Crosman and the Sheridan name is that they use wrong name on the pellets and put the name on the wrong guns.
However different it may be any .20 pumper would be better than nothing, but using the sheridan name on a .22 co2 rifle and some BB guns should be illegal.
It's just 100% wrong and they should be ashamed of themselves.
Sheridan had a f. model that was C02,
Yes and the model E pistol, but those were .20 call brass construction true Sheridan guns.
A steel .22 caliber is not even remotely close to being a Sheridan gun, nor is a lever action bb gun or a Remington new model replica.
I do get it, I am almost 65 years old so I am sure we both have the same idea of what a Sheridan should be. Since Crosman owns the brand at the end of the day it will be some marketing "expert" that decides, not you or I. :(
They can put it on a slingshot or a Bow if they decide to.
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The price looks good and advertised FPS of 685 makes me wonder if the pump tube is 7/8" OD like a 392 with a 392 valve or a longer 3/4" tube with a 1377 type valve. I hope the local Cabella's and Gander Outdoors get them to see one in person. I've got plenty of Mod parts to use and a fancy walnut non-let stock to go on it. That would make it more interesting.
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Crosman can call their new rifle whatever they want, I'm getting one.
Me too! I won't cut off my nose to spite MY face! ;D
I suppose you can consider my nose rightly gone then.
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Does anyone know the tube dimensions? Be nice if the tube is the same as a Benji, but probably not.
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Something aint right within the Universe....I just sold 2 guns...and ordered 3...WTH....and now I gotta get a 4th....lol
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Can you confirm if the tube diameter is the same as a 1377 and that the tube has a much longer pump stroke compared to 1377 ?
Thanks
Plastic Breech and 21.5" barrel. I am not on this project and w are all working from home so I don't know if you can swap to a steel breech but I will ask.
I have seen results over 700 FPS with 14.3s at 10 pumps.
I think this is going to be a nice rifle. It being designed as a youth hunting rifle.
John
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It is the same tube stock as the 1377. I am not sure what the stroke length is. Sorry I don't have much on this at the moment.
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was just looking at this on midway again, just in case one showed up har har, and now it has the eta date in october. ouch!
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was just looking at this on midway again, just in case one showed up har har, and now it has the eta date in october. ouch!
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was just looking at this on midway again, just in case one showed up har har, and now it has the eta date in october. ouch!
:( :( :(
Oh well, I'll just have to play with my new 2260MB that's coming next week. ;D
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The diameter is the same as a 1377 tube ? right ?
But the length is longer than a 1377 tube ? right ?
Thanks
It is the same tube stock as the 1377. I am not sure what the stroke length is. Sorry I don't have much on this at the moment.
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guessing....
its the length of a 1400 pumper
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I was gonna build up a 392 but now I'm super excited about the 362 and it's mod capabilities. Can't wait for preorders to open.hopefully the price stays about the same.
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What is the price
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from what I've seen just under a $100
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I wish u folks would quit...I really,really dont need another mouth to feed...
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I have been watching this thread on and off, chuckling to myself at all the drool on the screen.... ::) .... Here is my "Uber-Pumper" from 2008, which uses a 1400 pump tube and linkage.... Yes, they are the same tube material.... The pump swept volume was 33 cc per stroke....
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/rsterne/22 Uber-Pumper/.highres/22Uber-Pumper.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/rsterne/a/02fa56af-2540-4b8a-81e6-f7fef5c365f0/p/8917a212-7a0c-47b5-83d5-0b800839bb4e)
That is a 24" barrel in the pic, so if the 362 is 21.5", it pretty well matches what the length of the 1400 tube would be.... Here is what mine did with a lengthened valve and an flat-topped piston....
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/rsterne/22 Uber-Pumper/.highres/UberPumperEfficiency.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/rsterne/a/02fa56af-2540-4b8a-81e6-f7fef5c365f0/p/72d61420-7b65-4b11-9816-31ef1176062a)
I started with a 13XX valve, and made an extension from an extra brass valve back end.... The valve volume was 3.5 cc, which is more than double a stock 13XX valve volume.... This actually reduces the power at low pump numbers, but increases it when pushing the limit....
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/rsterne/22 Uber-Pumper/.highres/Extension.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/rsterne/a/02fa56af-2540-4b8a-81e6-f7fef5c365f0/p/c88a9f22-6fb2-43a2-976a-06a7c734ce0f)
The problem I found with the 1400 tube was that it tended to kink upwards in the middle, where the slot ended, when you really pushed the number of pumps.... I actually found my original data, and with a stock 2289 (13XX) valve (no extension) the gun did 680 fps with a 14.3 gr. pellet at 10 pumps.... but that was with an F-T-P.... Incidently, the first F-T-P I made for this gun had a Delrin piston, and I melted it.... :o
I'm betting Crosman just dusted off some existing parts and built a nicer stock for it.... Too bad they cheaped out and used the plastic 13XX breech, it would be soooooooooooo much better with the steel version.... but at least it will fit.... 8)
Bob
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Lucky me I got an extra steel breech,may need a bolt but its a start...lol
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I will just be happy to find a wood stock for my 397S
The cheek weld is too high for me. I like the gun and the power. 940 at 10 pumps.
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I will just be happy to find a wood stock for my 397S
The cheek weld is too high for me. I like the gun and the power. 940 at 10 pumps.
He’ll charge you a pretty penny for certain but if you really want to dress up your 397 in a beautiful piece of lumber there isn’t anything nicer. Scroll down second from the bottom of the page.
https://www.scstocksandgrips.com/co2-and-pumper-stocks (https://www.scstocksandgrips.com/co2-and-pumper-stocks)
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So, I just picked up a Daisy 901 and I'm having a blast shooting it. I've shot almost a tin of pellets through it at 3 pumps. I had forgotten how much fun a simple pumper can be. If Crosman would offer this in .25 I'd be all over it. Maybe a custom shop option? 400 fps with the 22 grain wadcutters I'm casting would be plenty.
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Any updates on a release date? I just ordered a .25 barrel for mine. I guess I'm committed now because a spent more on the barrel than the gun is listed at. ;D
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If the list price is around $100.00 could it have any where near the quality even of the present 392s ?
wll
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If the list price is around $100.00 could it have any where near the quality even of the present 392s ?
wll
I dunno. I guess I'll have a steel breech and a 25 cal barrel for another project if it's junk.
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I will just be happy to find a wood stock for my 397S
The cheek weld is too high for me. I like the gun and the power. 940 at 10 pumps.
What pellet are you using for 940 fps. in your 397s?
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Any updates on a release date? I just ordered a .25 barrel for mine. I guess I'm committed now because a spent more on the barrel than the gun is listed at. ;D
Not yet. It’s not even listed on Crosman’s website yet.
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If the list price is around $100.00 could it have any where near the quality even of the present 392s ?
wll
I reckon it’ll be the same quality as the other 13xx pistols seeing that’s what it basically is.
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My prediction sometime Nov. just in time for https://youtu.be/soUG7NSgkTg
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My prediction sometime Nov. just in time for https://youtu.be/soUG7NSgkTg
Sooner would be better. ;D
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If the list price is around $100.00 could it have any where near the quality even of the present 392s ?
wll
I suspect one reason the 392/397 costs as much as it does is, it is costly to produce, with the soldered brass construction. I also believe it likely the 362 will replace it within a year or two.
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I found this set of specs. on Midway; Crosman c362
Finish Black
Capacity 1 Round
Overall Length 36 Inches
Barrel Type Smooth Bore
Warranty Crosman 5 Year Warranty
Airgun Caliber 177 Caliber
Action Type Pump Action
Stock Type Pistol Grip
Power Source Pump
Trigger Type Single Action
Ammunition Pellet
Maximum Muzzle Velocity 685 Feet Per Second
Stock Color and Material Black Polymer
Front Sight Fixed Fiber Optic
Rear Sight Adjustable
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Seems to be a lot of mis-information on this rifle.
Sure wish I could find the true info.
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From the catalogue which you will find here
https://www.crosman.com/storage/catalog_files/VOC21-Crosman.pdf (https://www.crosman.com/storage/catalog_files/VOC21-Crosman.pdf)
I hope its not a .22 only.
Seems to be a lot of mis-information on this rifle.
Sure wish I could find the true info.
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I'm thinking that I'll be stealing parts from 13XX builds.
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Seems to be a lot of mis-information on this rifle.
Sure wish I could find the true info.
I think it all came from midway. looks like they copy/pasted another rifle and just changed the title.
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Eight pages in this thread on a rifle not available yet!
I think crosman will have super sales on this one. ;) 8)
Every kid is going to have to have one of these...i’m 68 this July and can’t wait to try this one out. :D
Think i’ll go ahead and order a steel breech and have it waiting! :D
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If the specs above are accurate... "smooth bore"... not rifled? Accuracy would me my concern. Surely Crosman wouldn't do a 13xx variant this nice and then stick a smooth bore barrel on it???
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Midway doesn't seem to care if they get anything right on their website. I've seen bad information there too many times.
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Midway doesn't seem to care if they get anything right on their website. I've seen bad information there too many times.
I hope the specs. are wrong!
I was hoping for a .22 that shoots at 800 fps 8)
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From the catalogue which you will find here
https://www.crosman.com/storage/catalog_files/VOC21-Crosman.pdf (https://www.crosman.com/storage/catalog_files/VOC21-Crosman.pdf)
I hope its not a .22 only.
Seems to be a lot of mis-information on this rifle.
Sure wish I could find the true info.
I think with a model number of 362 it is in .22, but I would guess that if it sells well they will bring a 367 out later.
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Midway doesn't seem to care if they get anything right on their website. I've seen bad information there too many times.
I hope the specs. are wrong!
I was hoping for a .22 that shoots at 800 fps 8)
The specs Crosman posted say up to 800 fps. I hope that's not with alloy pellets. I'm hoping for at least 500 with my 25 cal breech and barrel on it. If I can get that with my 22 grain wadcutters I'll be happy.
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From the catalogue which you will find here
https://www.crosman.com/storage/catalog_files/VOC21-Crosman.pdf (https://www.crosman.com/storage/catalog_files/VOC21-Crosman.pdf)
I hope its not a .22 only.
Seems to be a lot of mis-information on this rifle.
Sure wish I could find the true info.
If it is built like the 1377, you could add a steel breech in .177 and a longer .177 barrel. That is kind of my plan for my second one.
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I will just be happy to find a wood stock for my 397S
The cheek weld is too high for me. I like the gun and the power. 940 at 10 pumps.
What pellet are you using for 940 fps. in your 397s?
Crosman 14.3
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I will just be happy to find a wood stock for my 397S
The cheek weld is too high for me. I like the gun and the power. 940 at 10 pumps.
What pellet are you using for 940 fps. in your 397s?
So I went back to my records after you asked about the 940 fps. I started to think that was kind of fast.
It shoots 525 at 3 pumps / 650 at 6 pumps / 740 at 10 pumps. Now that seems right.
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If the specs above are accurate... "smooth bore"... not rifled? Accuracy would me my concern. Surely Crosman wouldn't do a 13xx variant this nice and then stick a smooth bore barrel on it???
The specs say "smooth bore" but "Rifled barrel" is stated 2x in the overview...........
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I also find it odd that it is listed as a .22 but in the discription it claims to be a BB/ pellet rifle
What the heck is this thing!
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I also find it odd that it is listed as a .22 but in the discription it claims to be a BB/ pellet rifle
What the heck is this thing!
There has been a discussion on .22 cal BB's somewhere around here...........
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I also find it odd that it is listed as a .22 but in the discription it claims to be a BB/ pellet rifle
What the heck is this thing!
There has been a discussion on .22 cal BB's somewhere around here...........
I have .22 lead balls, but I don't think I would call them BB's
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Maybe just a hoax, when was it listed April 1st?
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It's a rifled barrel in .22.
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All - I can tell you that it will be a rifled barrel. I cannot remember the exact length but I think it was 21 or so inches. I have gotten to play with a few samples and I think it will be a good rifle and product for us.
The steel breech will fit on this platform. I asked the lead engineer about that and he went and built one up with it.
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All - I can tell you that it will be a rifled barrel. I cannot remember the exact length but I think it was 21 or so inches. I have gotten to play with a few samples and I think it will be a good rifle and product for us.
The steel breech will fit on this platform. I asked the lead engineer about that and he went and built one up with it.
That will help sales, we all love lego guns. 8)
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All - I can tell you that it will be a rifled barrel. I cannot remember the exact length but I think it was 21 or so inches. I have gotten to play with a few samples and I think it will be a good rifle and product for us.
The steel breech will fit on this platform. I asked the lead engineer about that and he went and built one up with it.
Thanks for this most pertinent info John!
Straight from the horse's mouth!
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8) Count me in for a couple.
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And since it’s a pumper not a pcp us Alaskans can order it directly from crosman if no one local carries it!
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Thanks for the info.
Any plans for a .177 version ?
Manish
All - I can tell you that it will be a rifled barrel. I cannot remember the exact length but I think it was 21 or so inches. I have gotten to play with a few samples and I think it will be a good rifle and product for us.
The steel breech will fit on this platform. I asked the lead engineer about that and he went and built one up with it.
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The steel breech will fit on this platform. I asked the lead engineer about that and he went and built one up with it.
That's awesome! I've got my 25 caliber breech and barrel ready to go. This is going to be a smacking wadcutter gun.
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Gee! All these great features! Of course it is butt ugly like all Crosman’s. It is clear that no one at Crosman understands the sales potential of an attractively styled product. I want one but the hideous plastic stock has got to go. A gun I will probably enjoy shooting but not one I will brag about or show off. Too bad. :(
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Thanks for the info.
Any plans for a .177 version ?
Manish
All - I can tell you that it will be a rifled barrel. I cannot remember the exact length but I think it was 21 or so inches. I have gotten to play with a few samples and I think it will be a good rifle and product for us.
The steel breech will fit on this platform. I asked the lead engineer about that and he went and built one up with it.
Since a .177 could be put together with parts Crosman already makes I would be surprised if they don't offer a .177 version. On the other hand a lot of folks here will be swapping parts around and making theirs into .177 or .25., more if they can't just buy it from Crosman.
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And since it’s a pumper not a pcp us Alaskans can order it directly from crosman if no one local carries it!
Does Alaska have some weird airguns laws?
Thanks Bill C!
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Does Alaska have some weird airguns laws?
hopefully they're along the lines of 'they must be powerful enough to stop a polar bear'
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All - I can tell you that it will be a rifled barrel. I cannot remember the exact length but I think it was 21 or so inches. I have gotten to play with a few samples and I think it will be a good rifle and product for us.
The steel breech will fit on this platform. I asked the lead engineer about that and he went and built one up with it.
Thanks John, I went ahead and ordered a steel breech from the Crosman site today. Now I just need the gun so I can install it ;D
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All - I can tell you that it will be a rifled barrel. I cannot remember the exact length but I think it was 21 or so inches. I have gotten to play with a few samples and I think it will be a good rifle and product for us.
The steel breech will fit on this platform. I asked the lead engineer about that and he went and built one up with it.
Thanks John, I went ahead and ordered a steel breech from the Crosman site today. Now I just need the gun so I can install it ;D
;D ;D Hey John I did a similar thing except with a scope not a breech - so I first bought a new scope, and now I have more scopes than guns so thinking what gun I need to buy now to match up with it ;D ;D
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Eight pages in this thread on a rifle not available yet!
I think crosman will have super sales on this one. ;) 8)
Every kid is going to have to have one of these...i’m 68 this July and can’t wait to try this one out. :D
Think i’ll go ahead and order a steel breech and have it waiting! :D
Looks like you're almost old enough to be my dad, so I guess I can qualify as one of those "kids" who wants one of these :) Young at heart counts, right?
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Eight pages in this thread on a rifle not available yet!
I think crosman will have super sales on this one. ;) 8)
Every kid is going to have to have one of these...i’m 68 this July and can’t wait to try this one out. :D
Think i’ll go ahead and order a steel breech and have it waiting! :D
Looks like you're almost old enough to be my dad, so I guess I can qualify as one of those "kids" who wants one of these :) Young at heart counts, right?
Joe,
You betcha it counts. ;) i’m really torn between the 362 and a 392s. Maybe get both?
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I would buy the 362 first, It has so many more options down the road.
Don't get me wrong, I just bought a 397s, It is a very nice gun, but I would have bought the 362 in a heartbeat at half the price.
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This gun is looking more and more interesting.
A threaded muzzle would be a very nice feature instead of buying a DonnyFL adapter.
I think there is an scope mount adapter that can be used for a scout scope set up.
This could be an interesting fun gun, especially at the suggested retail price.
I'm hoping it comes out around mid July :-) -- Maybe I should order a metal receiver, anybody know the part # :-)
wll
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I don't have the part number off hand, but you can find them all over the place. Just remember if you are going to stay in .22 make sure you buy that breech.
I just bought one about 4 days ago for the 362 when it hits the shelves.
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2240 Steel Breech Parts Kit
this is how the breech is listed at Crosman
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I just may put a LW .20 barrel on one ;D
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I just may put a LW .20 barrel on one ;D
I'm going up to .25. Got my barrel already and the breech will be here soon. It's going to be my wadcutter gun.
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2240 Steel Breech Parts Kit
this is how the breech is listed at Crosman
Thank you, I just put myself on the list as they are out of stock.
wll
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2240 Steel Breech Parts Kit
this is how the breech is listed at Crosman
Thank you, I just put myself on the list as they are out of stock.
wll
I got an email from Airgun Depot yesterday saying they had them in stock. Alchemy Airwerks has them on his ebay store too.
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I just did a little checking around and these were the only places tonight that actually had the new crosman 362 multi pump rifles for sale.
Best Wishes - Tom
#1. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbzu_85vzwAhUPTawKHZqYAWsQFjAMegQICxAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigcountrysportinggoods.com%2Fcrosman-362-variable-pump-rifle%2F&usg=AOvVaw2WtrWgiykPwFn7zgNfsvTT (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbzu_85vzwAhUPTawKHZqYAWsQFjAMegQICxAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigcountrysportinggoods.com%2Fcrosman-362-variable-pump-rifle%2F&usg=AOvVaw2WtrWgiykPwFn7zgNfsvTT)
#2. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbzu_85vzwAhUPTawKHZqYAWsQFjAIegQICBAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fextreemtactical.com%2Fcrosman-362-variable-pump-22-pellet-rifle%2F&usg=AOvVaw1TKqUFCQlRXBr5mbjar0Ab (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbzu_85vzwAhUPTawKHZqYAWsQFjAIegQICBAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fextreemtactical.com%2Fcrosman-362-variable-pump-22-pellet-rifle%2F&usg=AOvVaw1TKqUFCQlRXBr5mbjar0Ab)
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I copied this from your link...
Up to 800 feet per second with an alloy pellet.
If the info is correct, it's a little disappointing.
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I copied this from your link...
Up to 800 feet per second with an alloy pellet.
If the info is correct, it's a little disappointing.
Hi Eddie.
800 FPS with Alloy Pellet is correct.
I added a second link after you copied the first one.
Sooo I just checked the Crosman/Air Power 2021 catalog as well.
It just says velocities up to 800 FPS. Crosman did not specify pellet type in the catalogue
Here is a link to Hard Air Magazine with a write-up on the 362. (*1322* – 460 FPS *Drifter* – 550 FPS *362* – 800 FPS )
1. >https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiOmubU6vzwAhU0FFkFHbbJCXwQFjADegQIBhAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhardairmagazine.com%2Fnews%2Fnew-crosman-362-and-drifter-multi-pump-pneumatics%2F&usg=AOvVaw0Bdzk5CV-ces1QW93Cz7mc (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiOmubU6vzwAhU0FFkFHbbJCXwQFjADegQIBhAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhardairmagazine.com%2Fnews%2Fnew-crosman-362-and-drifter-multi-pump-pneumatics%2F&usg=AOvVaw0Bdzk5CV-ces1QW93Cz7mc)
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800fps with alloy
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That's more than I really need, so I'm good with it!
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I just did a little checking around and these were the only places tonight that actually had the new crosman 362 multi pump rifles for sale.
Best Wishes - Tom
#1. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbzu_85vzwAhUPTawKHZqYAWsQFjAMegQICxAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigcountrysportinggoods.com%2Fcrosman-362-variable-pump-rifle%2F&usg=AOvVaw2WtrWgiykPwFn7zgNfsvTT (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbzu_85vzwAhUPTawKHZqYAWsQFjAMegQICxAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigcountrysportinggoods.com%2Fcrosman-362-variable-pump-rifle%2F&usg=AOvVaw2WtrWgiykPwFn7zgNfsvTT)
#2. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbzu_85vzwAhUPTawKHZqYAWsQFjAIegQICBAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fextreemtactical.com%2Fcrosman-362-variable-pump-22-pellet-rifle%2F&usg=AOvVaw1TKqUFCQlRXBr5mbjar0Ab (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbzu_85vzwAhUPTawKHZqYAWsQFjAIegQICBAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fextreemtactical.com%2Fcrosman-362-variable-pump-22-pellet-rifle%2F&usg=AOvVaw1TKqUFCQlRXBr5mbjar0Ab)
I think the links are for drop ship sellers. I don't think anyone has them in stock.
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dupe post
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I just want to see one in hand 8)
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2240 Steel Breech Parts Kit
this is how the breech is listed at Crosman
Thank you, I just put myself on the list as they are out of stock.
wll
I placed my order on Monday, due to me by Saturday. No real hurry, no gun to install it on ;D
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I just did a little checking around and these were the only places tonight that actually had the new crosman 362 multi pump rifles for sale.
Best Wishes - Tom
#1. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbzu_85vzwAhUPTawKHZqYAWsQFjAMegQICxAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigcountrysportinggoods.com%2Fcrosman-362-variable-pump-rifle%2F&usg=AOvVaw2WtrWgiykPwFn7zgNfsvTT (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbzu_85vzwAhUPTawKHZqYAWsQFjAMegQICxAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigcountrysportinggoods.com%2Fcrosman-362-variable-pump-rifle%2F&usg=AOvVaw2WtrWgiykPwFn7zgNfsvTT)
#2. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbzu_85vzwAhUPTawKHZqYAWsQFjAIegQICBAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fextreemtactical.com%2Fcrosman-362-variable-pump-22-pellet-rifle%2F&usg=AOvVaw1TKqUFCQlRXBr5mbjar0Ab (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbzu_85vzwAhUPTawKHZqYAWsQFjAIegQICBAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fextreemtactical.com%2Fcrosman-362-variable-pump-22-pellet-rifle%2F&usg=AOvVaw1TKqUFCQlRXBr5mbjar0Ab)
I think the links are for drop ship sellers. I don't think anyone has them in stock.
Hi John.
I think you are right.
Extreme Tactical ....now ....shows them as.... "out of stock"
Big Country Sporting Goods put one in my cart....but that does not mean they actually HAVE ONE TO SHIP.
Best Wishes - Tom
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I will wait until I see the in-stock message 8)
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This gun, sort of like the 362 and mentioned earlier in this thread, I built with a 2200 tube, 1377 flat top valve and flat top piston. After a new reseal of the valve and piston it does 675-80fps with 14.3g Crosman domes at 10 pumps and 705fps with 13.65g Silver Bears. I guess 800fps may be about right with alloy but do they ever give # pumps or weight of pellets? (http://)
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My guess would be the lightest pellet and the max. pumps
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This gun, sort of like the 362 and mentioned earlier in this thread, I built with a 2200 tube, 1377 flat top valve and flat top piston. After a new reseal of the valve and piston it does 375-80fps with 14.3g Crosman domes at 10 pumps and 705fps with 13.65g Silver Bears. I guess 800fps may be about right with alloy but do they ever give # pumps or weight of pellets? (http://)
Very nice looking gun!
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Hi Eddie.
800 FPS with Alloy Pellet is correct.
I added a second link after you copied the first one.
Sooo I just checked the Crosman/Air Power 2021 catalog as well.
It just says velocities up to 800 FPS. Crosman did not specify pellet type in the catalogue
I'm hoping for at least 500 fps with a 22 grain wadcutter once I get my 25 caliber barrel on one.
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my goal will be 700 fps with 14.3
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I'm in the shop just now so I wondered how many pumps 700fps takes with 14.3g pellets. Just fired the above gun over the crony and 12 pumps was 721fps and 14 pumps was 738fps so I guess it would be at least 12-14 pumps to 700fps with the 362 as it does not have a flat top pump set up. Was a good gain from 10 to 12 pumps and not so much from 12 to 14.
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This gun, sort of like the 362 and mentioned earlier in this thread, I built with a 2200 tube, 1377 flat top valve and flat top piston. After a new reseal of the valve and piston it does 675-80fps with 14.3g Crosman domes at 10 pumps and 705fps with 13.65g Silver Bears. I guess 800fps may be about right with alloy but do they ever give # pumps or weight of pellets? (http://)
My well tuned model 1400 cranks out about 620 FPS shooting 14.3gr pellets at 8 pumps. If this new gun can do 640 FPS out of the box I will be more than satisfied.
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I won't be pushing it to 700 much, but I want to know it can get there if needed.
I do most of my pumpers at 4 to 6 pumps and thats all I need on my small range.
I find almost all of my pumpers find the sweet spot around 6 pumps.
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I just did a little checking around and these were the only places tonight that actually had the new crosman 362 multi pump rifles for sale.
Best Wishes - Tom
#1. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbzu_85vzwAhUPTawKHZqYAWsQFjAMegQICxAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigcountrysportinggoods.com%2Fcrosman-362-variable-pump-rifle%2F&usg=AOvVaw2WtrWgiykPwFn7zgNfsvTT (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbzu_85vzwAhUPTawKHZqYAWsQFjAMegQICxAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigcountrysportinggoods.com%2Fcrosman-362-variable-pump-rifle%2F&usg=AOvVaw2WtrWgiykPwFn7zgNfsvTT)
#2. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbzu_85vzwAhUPTawKHZqYAWsQFjAIegQICBAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fextreemtactical.com%2Fcrosman-362-variable-pump-22-pellet-rifle%2F&usg=AOvVaw1TKqUFCQlRXBr5mbjar0Ab (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbzu_85vzwAhUPTawKHZqYAWsQFjAIegQICBAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fextreemtactical.com%2Fcrosman-362-variable-pump-22-pellet-rifle%2F&usg=AOvVaw1TKqUFCQlRXBr5mbjar0Ab)
I think the links are for drop ship sellers. I don't think anyone has them in stock.
The new 362 isn’t even listed on Crosman website yet. It won’t be in stock anywhere else if it’s not listed on Crosman’s website. Once it pops up on Crosman’s website we’ll know it’s coming. My guess sometime here in the 3rd quarter. whether it’ll be for sale directly from Crosman first or from other online vendors is anyone’s guess. I’ll likely buy mine directly from Crosman using the AGNATION 25% discount code and free shipping on Friday when it becomes available. Apparently the free shipping on Friday is back as I just bought a gun directly from Crosman last Friday and got free shipping. Should be receiving my new acquisition later on today🤞
Edit: I believe the free shipping also had a requirement of a minimum order of $75. So depending what Crosman lists these 362 at might have to add some accessories. Or maybe get two and make one a .177🙂
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This gun, sort of like the 362 and mentioned earlier in this thread, I built with a 2200 tube, 1377 flat top valve and flat top piston. After a new reseal of the valve and piston it does 675-80fps with 14.3g Crosman domes at 10 pumps and 705fps with 13.65g Silver Bears. I guess 800fps may be about right with alloy but do they ever give # pumps or weight of pellets? (http://)
That’s a good looking build right there. 👍👍
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Here's the approximate dimensions of the 362.
Used the known 3" plastic breech to scale the gun.
The 21" pump tube length is between that of the 2100 at 17" and 1400 at 23".
So probably a stroke of about 6" or so with the stated 5/8" ID tube?
The long 16" pump arm will make it easy to pump for younger shooters.
Should be able to make 700 FPS with CPHPs with 10 pumps.
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I'm not completely against the gun and wouldn't mind trying out a pumper I haven't before, but that stock is so ugly I'd want to wash my hands after touching it.
I will have to wait till someone comes up with an easy and affordable wood stock option before I buy one.
I'm hoping with an aftermarket metal barrel band a 2260 stock can be modified to fit, but I'll let someone smarter than me figure that out first.
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Hey at lest the stock looks like the open sights might be usable ???
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I ordered parts for my 392/S guns and while I was at it talked to the customer service lady, who was very nice. She said it looked like availability sometime in Sept, but call mid August as delivery times do change.
If I don't see them available before then, I will call early/mid August to see if they have a true delivery time.
It is always a pleasure to deal with Crosman, their customer service folks do a great job.
wll
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Thanks for the update. I talked with P/A, but they did not seem to know the gun was in the works.
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Anyone else notice the longer sound knob bolt handle on the 362 ?
If it uses the same kind of bolt as the steel breeches, this could be a great thing for the Crosman modders community.
I'm probably just ignorant, but I have not seen this bolt handle on anything else from Crosman.
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looks like an older style Benji bolt. I did not even notice it until you said something..
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Awesome work. Thanks
Manish
Here's the approximate dimensions of the 362.
Used the known 3" plastic breech to scale the gun.
The 21" pump tube length is between that of the 2100 at 17" and 1400 at 23".
So probably a stroke of about 6" or so with the stated 5/8" ID tube?
The long 16" pump arm will make it easy to pump for younger shooters.
Should be able to make 700 FPS with CPHPs with 10 pumps.
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Definitely on my list when they come available.
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I almost got a 392 for Father`s Day but decided to wait. Looks like a good call since I found out about the 362, which looks like it might be a winner. The fact it has a rifled barrel makes all the difference to me as I would never touch a smooth bore. Of course I would love a wood stock but I understand the economics of it. The breach might be a thing I could do but there will be time to decide that later.
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I almost got a 392 for Father`s Day but decided to wait. Looks like a good call since I found out about the 362, which looks like it might be a winner. The fact it has a rifled barrel makes all the difference to me as I would never touch a smooth bore. Of course I would love a wood stock but I understand the economics of it. The breach might be a thing I could do but there will be time to decide that later.
I'm pretty sure the only smooth bore Crosman makes these days that will fire pellets is the current " 760 ".
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As of today the Crosman Drifter kit is showing in stock at AGD and Midway. Maybe it won't be long before the 362 hits.
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That’s a good sign. I keep checking Crosman’s website every week to see if they listed the 362 yet. Not yet
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I hope so. I'm worse than a kid at Christmas. ;D
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I think this is vaporware.
Crosman has the tooling to make this be on the shelf already if they wanted to.
Maybe with the flimsy plastic breach they ran into problems of POI shift with pumping.
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A lot of their products are out of stock. Maybe they are having parts or material supply issues or staffing issues.
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I think this is vaporware.
Crosman has the tooling to make this be on the shelf already if they wanted to.
Maybe with the flimsy plastic breach they ran into problems of POI shift with pumping.
Don't crush my dreams. Oh, and I already have a steel breech for it. ;D
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Oh I'm anxious for this one too, believe me! :D
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I think this is vaporware.
Crosman has the tooling to make this be on the shelf already if they wanted to.
Maybe with the flimsy plastic breach they ran into problems of POI shift with pumping.
Don't crush my dreams. Oh, and I already have a steel breech for it. ;D
+1^ (bought mine after you mentioned it) ;D
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I think this is vaporware.
Crosman has the tooling to make this be on the shelf already if they wanted to.
Maybe with the flimsy plastic breach they ran into problems of POI shift with pumping.
Don't crush my dreams. Oh, and I already have a steel breech for it. ;D
+1^ (bought mine after you mentioned it) ;D
Bummer. Sorry.
I wanted to get one. Finally learn tuning a pneumatic on it. Steel breach and .25 cal.
I thought it would be a cool urban/suburb backyard (x<20yards) thumper.
I got my .25 Remington Express back from my SIL house so that base covered. Thinking I’ll put like a Truglo shotgun light pipe on it’s LDC.
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Bummer. Sorry.
I wanted to get one. Finally learn tuning a pneumatic on it. Steel breach and .25 cal.
I thought it would be a cool urban/suburb backyard (x<20yards) thumper.
I got my .25 Remington Express back from my SIL house so that base covered. Thinking I’ll put like a Truglo shotgun light pipe on it’s LDC.
I've got a couple of .25 thumpers already, but I want a pumper thumper. 😂
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Bummer. Sorry.
I wanted to get one. Finally learn tuning a pneumatic on it. Steel breach and .25 cal.
I thought it would be a cool urban/suburb backyard (x<20yards) thumper.
I got my .25 Remington Express back from my SIL house so that base covered. Thinking I’ll put like a Truglo shotgun light pipe on it’s LDC.
I've got a couple of .25 thumpers already, but I want a pumper thumper. 😂
Yes. Me too.
I understand that Seneca thing can come in .25. But I was thinking something more svelte and less power.
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Bummer. Sorry.
I wanted to get one. Finally learn tuning a pneumatic on it. Steel breach and .25 cal.
I thought it would be a cool urban/suburb backyard (x<20yards) thumper.
I got my .25 Remington Express back from my SIL house so that base covered. Thinking I’ll put like a Truglo shotgun light pipe on it’s LDC.
I've got a couple of .25 thumpers already, but I want a pumper thumper. 😂
Yes. Me too.
I understand that Seneca thing can come in .25. But I was thinking something more svelte and less power.
I love my Stormrider because it's svelte. A svelte .25 pumper that will shoot my wadcutters between 500 and 600 fps is all I want.
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Bummer. Sorry.
I wanted to get one. Finally learn tuning a pneumatic on it. Steel breach and .25 cal.
I thought it would be a cool urban/suburb backyard (x<20yards) thumper.
I got my .25 Remington Express back from my SIL house so that base covered. Thinking I’ll put like a Truglo shotgun light pipe on it’s LDC.
I've got a couple of .25 thumpers already, but I want a pumper thumper. 😂
Yes. Me too.
I understand that Seneca thing can come in .25. But I was thinking something more svelte and less power.
I love my Stormrider because it's svelte. A svelte .25 pumper that will shoot my wadcutters between 500 and 600 fps is all I want.
How difficult to make the Stormrider a .25?
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Shouldn't be too hard if you have machining capability. I like the idea of a self contained pumper though.
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If it does ever come to be, let’s hope the pump linkage holds up for more than a few thousand shots.
I too have a Steele breech waiting.
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Man, every time one a youse guys decides to post to this thread and it pops up on my "show unread posts" link, my heart skips a beat. :-[
But I don't think my heart can take too many more of these ungratified skips.
And I'm always feeling the weight in my pocket from lugging around this brand new heavy solid steel unmounted breech I already got for it months ago. ::)
I just likes ta keeps it nearby for fondling. ;D
So please please let the next post be about how the 362 is NOW IN STOCK !!! 8)
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I just likes ta keeps it nearby for fondling. ;D
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Man, every time one a youse guys decides to post to this thread and it pops up on my "show unread posts" link, my heart skips a beat. :-[
But I don't think my heart can take too many more of these ungratified skips.
And I'm always feeling the weight in my pocket from lugging around this brand new heavy solid steel unmounted breech I already got for it months ago. ::)
I just likes ta keeps it nearby for fondling. ;D
So please please let the next post be about how the 362 is NOW IN STOCK !!! 8)
I'm right there with you. I put my breech and .25 barrel on my 2250 hpa. I'm happy to say it likes my home cast wadcutters, but it still hasn't eased the anticipation of a pumper.
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Man, every time one a youse guys decides to post to this thread and it pops up on my "show unread posts" link, my heart skips a beat. :-[
But I don't think my heart can take too many more of these ungratified skips.
And I'm always feeling the weight in my pocket from lugging around this brand new heavy solid steel unmounted breech I already got for it months ago. ::)
I just likes ta keeps it nearby for fondling. ;D
So please please let the next post be about how the 362 is NOW IN STOCK !!! 8)
I'm right there with you. I put my breech and .25 barrel on my 2250 hpa. I'm happy to say it likes my home cast wadcutters, but it still hasn't eased the anticipation of a pumper.
Don't feel too bad, I bought a new .22 steel breach in anticipation of the 362 release.
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I’m going to cannibalize my 2240 for the steel breech. It can wear the plastic one from the 362.
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How difficult to make the Stormrider a .25?
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Hmm Airgun Archery fun sells an Artemis 16" .25 barrel I assume a .25 breach may be something he could get also,. has me thinking my Artemis pumper could live as a .25 single shot pumper, glad I didnt put the barrel on my PP800 .25 yet, food for thought, whil I wait for that new Crosman thing to land on my doorstep ;)
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Back it up a bit, guys! YOU PUT A .25 CAL on a .22 pumper? PLEEEASE!!!! Tell me more! I keep checking the Crosman and NOE sited almost daily and it is getting a bit frustrating.
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Back it up a bit, guys! YOU PUT A .25 CAL on a .22 pumper? PLEEEASE!!!! Tell me more! I keep checking the Crosman and NOE sited almost daily and it is getting a bit frustrating.
I've got a breech and .25 barrel, but I'm waiting for the 362 to come out so I can use it.
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Back it up a bit, guys! YOU PUT A .25 CAL on a .22 pumper? PLEEEASE!!!! Tell me more! I keep checking the Crosman and NOE sited almost daily and it is getting a bit frustrating.
I didn’t. But if I had an LR700 to send to Hector....
https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/one-for-the-msps-enthusiasts (https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/one-for-the-msps-enthusiasts)
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How difficult to make the Stormrider a .25?
Hmm Airgun Archery fun sells an Artemis 16" .25 barrel I assume a .25 breach may be something he could get also,. has me thinking my Artemis pumper could live as a .25 single shot pumper, glad I didnt put the barrel on my PP800 .25 yet, food for thought, whil I wait for that new Crosman thing to land on my doorstep ;)
Like brew I am all ears about a .25 pumper, would be wild. 8)
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I think I'll be able to resist the 362 urge. I already got lots of little lego pumpers.
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I think I'll be able to resist the 362 urge. I already got lots of little lego pumpers.
Famous last words!! ;D
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I think I'll be able to resist the 362 urge. I already got lots of little lego pumpers.
Famous last words!! ;D
True that.
Once we get this move done and settle life down a bit my plan is to revisit some 100 airguns we have. I'll have a climate controlled indoor testing space to do this in. That should help keep the 'gotta have it' urge down a bit. But seriously, the only upgrade I see over my current lego pumpers is that stock set.
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I'm already figuring out ways to modify the 362. It looks like a 2260 wooden stock could be modified to fit the 362, and add a steel breech of your choice of cal. and it should be a sweet little airgun.
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I'm already figuring out ways to modify the 362. It looks like a 2260 wooden stock could be modified to fit the 362, and add a steel breech of your choice of cal. and it should be a sweet little airgun.
Yep, and if Crosman let's us down after teasing it, they won't be getting any more of my money. This is a chance for them to do something good.
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My biggest concern is what trigger will be in it. I keep hoping for something a little more refined.
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I think for less than $100 they'll be giving us, at least, some bare minimum with lots of room for upgrades and improvement. This seems evident to me simply because of the stock plastic breech. I don't expect much more than the simple disco/2260 trigger group.
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My biggest concern is what trigger will be in it. I keep hoping for something a little more refined.
Some variation on the 13XX trigger I suppose. With the intended market and the projected price I can’t see Crosman putting a Marauder trigger in it. I will hope for a trigger that is upgradable.
The 2260 trigger would be a nice place to start though.
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Yep.... just by looking at images of it I don't think the 13XX grip frame and trigger will work on it.
Probably more like the Disco/Maximus style. There are a couple aftermarket options for that style.
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From the looks of it, the Disco trigger group. I can see easily a Challenger/MRod trigger and steel breech. Also there will be plenty of piston mods, I am sure.
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Well, for what it’s worth Midway USA now has an estimated in stock date of October 7th.
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.177 24" and 26" barrels, check. .22 24" and 26" barrels, check. Long breach with .177 and .22 bolts, check. Baker brass trigger, check! Patients to wait until it comes out, ::) ::) :'(
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.177 24" and 26" barrels, check. .22 24" and 26" barrels, check. Long breach with .177 and .22 bolts, check. Baker brass trigger, check! Patients to wait until it comes out, ::) ::) :'(
.25 cal barrel, long steel breech, and moderator, check. Patience left the building weeks ago. :D
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Yeah hoping we don’t wind up like George did while waiting for the Umerex Hammer to lease.
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.177 24" and 26" barrels, check. .22 24" and 26" barrels, check. Long breach with .177 and .22 bolts, check. Baker brass trigger, check! Patients to wait until it comes out, ::) ::) :'(
.25 cal barrel, long steel breech, and moderator, check. Patience left the building weeks ago. :D
I do have 2 or 3 extra GM .25 barrels, but I don't think that I will go that direction. As long as it's done correctly, I can wait , kind of. With all of the pumping that I will be doing, it's probably best that it be a bit cooler out . ;D ;D
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.25 cal barrel, long steel breech, and moderator,
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Oh wauw ! Yes ! I can see this working indeed...
You guys just got me hooked ;D
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.177 24" and 26" barrels, check. .22 24" and 26" barrels, check. Long breach with .177 and .22 bolts, check. Baker brass trigger, check! Patients to wait until it comes out, ::) ::) :'(
.25 cal barrel, long steel breech, and moderator, check. Patience left the building weeks ago. :D
I do have 2 or 3 extra GM .25 barrels, but I don't think that I will go that direction. As long as it's done correctly, I can wait , kind of. With all of the pumping that I will be doing, it's probably best that it be a bit cooler out . ;D ;D
I have a specific idea for this setup, and I'm not looking for big power. I'm casting 22 grain wadcutters, and I'm hoping for around 550 fps. This is going to be for short range feeder patrol.
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That sounds more like feeder demolition 8)
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All - Don't shoot the messenger but there have been a few delays with the 362. Vendors are busy and lead times getting extended. With that said, we are getting close. Sorry I don't have a better answer for you all.
John
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All - Don't shoot the messenger but there have been a few delays with the 362. Vendors are busy and lead times getting extended. With that said, we are getting close. Sorry I don't have a better answer for you all.
John
Thanks for the update... of course we all wanted it yesterday.. ;) but hey times being what they are... Can we get a pre-order going for forum members.. ;) of course I would sign up immediately...
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All - Don't shoot the messenger but there have been a few delays with the 362. Vendors are busy and lead times getting extended. With that said, we are getting close. Sorry I don't have a better answer for you all.
John
Thanks for the update... of course we all wanted it yesterday.. ;) but hey times being what they are... Can we get a pre-order going for forum members.. ;) of course I would sign up immediately...
+1 on Kirby's comment. Please take my money! ;D
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.177 24" and 26" barrels, check. .22 24" and 26" barrels, check. Long breach with .177 and .22 bolts, check. Baker brass trigger, check! Patients to wait until it comes out, ::) ::) :'(
.25 cal barrel, long steel breech, and moderator, check. Patience left the building weeks ago. :D
I do have 2 or 3 extra GM .25 barrels, but I don't think that I will go that direction. As long as it's done correctly, I can wait , kind of. With all of the pumping that I will be doing, it's probably best that it be a bit cooler out . ;D ;D
I have a specific idea for this setup, and I'm not looking for big power. I'm casting 22 grain wadcutters, and I'm hoping for around 550 fps. This is going to be for short range feeder patrol.
Hi Ed I think that is a pretty achievable goal... and I think that heavy of a waddcutter just might have pretty durn good 30 yard accuracy to boot at that velocity... heavier wadcutters seem to do better than the lighter...
Back in 2013-2014 I made a 1325(became my 1322 XLT) 19" 25 barrel(from Trail XL 725) using a 2100 pump tube with a custom extended (.3")valve nose and moved valve back .3"...used the old style 2 piece piston... what that gave me was a 2100 pump with the valve volume just about equal to the 13xx valve... I believe the 362 is functionally very close to what I made...
when all was done got 650 fps with 20g H&N FTT... at about 15-17 pumps... but was about 550 at 10 pumps...
May need to do some porting tho...
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.177 24" and 26" barrels, check. .22 24" and 26" barrels, check. Long breach with .177 and .22 bolts, check. Baker brass trigger, check! Patients to wait until it comes out, ::) ::) :'(
.25 cal barrel, long steel breech, and moderator, check. Patience left the building weeks ago. :D
I do have 2 or 3 extra GM .25 barrels, but I don't think that I will go that direction. As long as it's done correctly, I can wait , kind of. With all of the pumping that I will be doing, it's probably best that it be a bit cooler out . ;D ;D
I have a specific idea for this setup, and I'm not looking for big power. I'm casting 22 grain wadcutters, and I'm hoping for around 550 fps. This is going to be for short range feeder patrol.
Hi Ed I think that is a pretty achievable goal... and I think that heavy of a waddcutter just might have pretty durn good 30 yard accuracy to boot at that velocity... heavier wadcutters seem to do better than the lighter...
Back in 2013-2014 I made a 1325(became my 1322 XLT) 19" 25 barrel(from Trail XL 725) using a 2100 pump tube with a custom extended (.3")valve nose and moved valve back .3"...used the old style 2 piece piston... what that gave me was a 2100 pump with the valve volume just about equal to the 13xx valve... I believe the 362 is functionally very close to what I made...
when all was done got 650 fps with 20g H&N FTT... at about 15-17 pumps... but was about 550 at 10 pumps...
May need to do some porting tho...
I've got the .25 barrel bolted on my 2250 hpa right now. It's set up for lots of shots with a 14.3gr so it's only pushing the 22 grain wadcutters a little over 300 fps. This barrel seems to like them and they really make tin cans jump.
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All - Don't shoot the messenger but there have been a few delays with the 362. Vendors are busy and lead times getting extended. With that said, we are getting close. Sorry I don't have a better answer for you all.
John
It is what it is, John. A few of us are just a bit antsy to void the warranty on it!
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All - Don't shoot the messenger but there have been a few delays with the 362. Vendors are busy and lead times getting extended. With that said, we are getting close. Sorry I don't have a better answer for you all.
John
John thanks for the update.
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Glad I have some Crosman pumpers that were made 50 years ago to shoot while I wait ;)
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All- I love that you already have parts to modify this rifle and you have yet to even see it! I think it is great you all are so into the products and just from a picture can figure what is going on with the rifle and what parts you want to add.
Just to tease some: The velocities are legit. This has the FPE to be a viable small game platform in stock form. I am excited to see what power you all get out of it once you start with the mods!
I would love to be able to fire up pre-orders for the forum members but that is way out of my control! I can however pass that info along and see what people say.
John
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In my opinion, Crosman has needed a full size 22 pumper in their lineup for years. I wish I had hung on to my old 2200, but I didn't. That's why I'm excited about this model. That being said, mine will be converted to .25 as soon as I get it. ;D
On second thought, I might buy 2 and leave one a .22
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All- I love that you already have parts to modify this rifle and you have yet to even see it! I think it is great you all are so into the products and just from a picture can figure what is going on with the rifle and what parts you want to add.
Just to tease some: The velocities are legit. This has the FPE to be a viable small game platform in stock form. I am excited to see what power you all get out of it once you start with the mods!
I would love to be able to fire up pre-orders for the forum members but that is way out of my control! I can however pass that info along and see what people say.
John
Speaking for myself, I love being able to call up and order my mix and match parts to do what ever my brain comes up with. Most companies, if they do offer parts will only sell them to you with a serial number. Many here just love to tinker!
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All- I love that you already have parts to modify this rifle and you have yet to even see it! I think it is great you all are so into the products and just from a picture can figure what is going on with the rifle and what parts you want to add.
Just to tease some: The velocities are legit. This has the FPE to be a viable small game platform in stock form. I am excited to see what power you all get out of it once you start with the mods!
I would love to be able to fire up pre-orders for the forum members but that is way out of my control! I can however pass that info along and see what people say.
John
Thanks for thinking of us. I would be onboard if pre-orders could be accomplished. I understand if they can't be done, but what a great thought for the forum. 17000 + members getting a chance to pre-order a new design.
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We could even raffle low S/N guns for benefits or other events.
Just think about the possibilities of a custom roll mark for the forum!
Sorry I'm getting way ahead of myself 8)
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CROSMAN 362 S/N "GTA 122100001"
The first to roll off the line.
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I'm sure the first, at least, is already spoken for.
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Oh, I did not by any means think I would get one of the first ones, but I was at least hoping to get one in the first 5000 ;D
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CROSMAN 362 S/N "GTA 122100001"
The first to roll off the line.
Daisy opened pre-orders for requested serial numbers for the 2018 "35th Christmas Dream" that was limited to 2500 rifles.
I tried to get a specific serial# but it was already taken.
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As long as mine is not 666, I don't care what number is on it!
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We could even raffle low S/N guns for benefits or other events.
Just think about the possibilities of a custom roll mark for the forum!
Sorry I'm getting way ahead of myself 8)
+1
I likes yer thinkin' John... 8) 8) 8)
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I am hereby willing to reserve 888...perhaps for some reasonable *fee that goes directly into GTA operating expense coffers? 8)
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well me I would not mind at all if mine was #362.. ;)
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Any reason to get the Benjamin 392s now that crosman 362 is coming out, which have way better set up with steel breach to put a scope on. I expect the 392s to come with a scope mount with that price.
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The 392 has much more fpe potential if modded or with a Steroid kit...
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The 392 has much more fpe potential if modded or with a Steroid kit...
Definitely.
And I know some purists will probably disagree, but hanging on to the soldered brass construction is almost futile now, especially with the end of the wood stocks. Why not go to a steel bolt together modular system ala the 13xx etc while keeping the large diameter and stoke of the Benji? I know it's been beat to death before, but maybe it's finally time, if they plan to keep this rifle relevant and competitive.
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Ummmmmmm.... That would be using a Disco steel tube (slotted), like I did on the .25 Disco Pumper Carbine.... It used a Disco stock (cut), Disco breech, hammer, spring and trigger, CH2009 power adjuster, Benji 39X pump linkage, and an MRod barrel, so 95% parts they had on the shelf.... They needed a new front half for the valve with a check valve installed, and a new front pivot plug.... ;)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/rsterne/Millenium Pumper/.highres/IMG_2731.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/rsterne/a/2b6b9a8f-bf4c-41f4-8426-985eaf5ed6aa/p/af1993bd-5588-498e-8bfb-454ef48b0f3e)
I talked to John (Crosman Engineer) about that a couple of years ago, sent him links to the build thread, gave them permission to use the design free of charge.... and crickets.... ::)
Bob
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Ummmmmmm.... That would be using a Disco steel tube (slotted), like I did on the .25 Disco Pumper Carbine.... It used a Disco stock (cut), Disco breech, hammer, spring and trigger, CH2009 power adjuster, Benji 39X pump linkage, and an MRod barrel, so 95% parts they had on the shelf.... They needed a new front half for the valve with a check valve installed, and a new front pivot plug.... ;)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/rsterne/Millenium Pumper/.highres/IMG_2731.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/rsterne/a/2b6b9a8f-bf4c-41f4-8426-985eaf5ed6aa/p/af1993bd-5588-498e-8bfb-454ef48b0f3e)
I talked to John (Crosman Engineer) about that a couple of years ago, sent him links to the build thread, gave them permission to use the design free of charge.... and crickets.... ::)
Bob
Exactly! That has always been one of my favorite builds I've read about! I think they'd sell a ton of em.
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Any reason to get the Benjamin 392s now that crosman 362 is coming out, which have way better set up with steel breach to put a scope on. I expect the 392s to come with a scope mount with that price.
Personally I just expect a wood stock , but one that isn't ugly.
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Ummmmmmm.... That would be using a Disco steel tube (slotted), like I did on the .25 Disco Pumper Carbine.... It used a Disco stock (cut), Disco breech, hammer, spring and trigger, CH2009 power adjuster, Benji 39X pump linkage, and an MRod barrel, so 95% parts they had on the shelf.... They needed a new front half for the valve with a check valve installed, and a new front pivot plug.... ;)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/rsterne/Millenium Pumper/.highres/IMG_2731.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/rsterne/a/2b6b9a8f-bf4c-41f4-8426-985eaf5ed6aa/p/af1993bd-5588-498e-8bfb-454ef48b0f3e)
I talked to John (Crosman Engineer) about that a couple of years ago, sent him links to the build thread, gave them permission to use the design free of charge.... and crickets.... ::)
Bob
Very nice build Bob. I'd enjoy seeing your thread.
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I really marvel at these custom pumpers I've seen here. I don't have the time, patience or the talent to build one, but I enjoy seeing what's possible.
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Here is the thread on the Disco Carbine Pumper....
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=37401. (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=37401.)
It eventually blossomed into the Millennium Pumper.... It has a much larger reservoir, and retains air for followup shots....
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=39328. (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=39328.)
However, that used a lot of custom parts, it was not something Crosman could have built as easily as the Carbine, which could be built as a "pump and dump" gun.... Both guns could be built as a .22 or .25.... even a .177 I guess.... ::)
Bob
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Thanks Bob. I'll study the builds. Now all I need is a couple of machines. :)
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i cant wait till this gun becomes available. im imagining its going to be a bigger version of the 1322 which that gun is great.
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I cant wait till this gun becomes available. I'm imagining its going to be a bigger version of the 1322 which that gun is great.
Sorry You HAVE to wait with the rest of us. :P
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The anticipation is maddening. If not for the difficulty of mounting a scope I'd get a 392. The 362 looks awesome. Come on man, Crosman!
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This is worse than waiting for Christmas when I was 12.
Can’t even go peek at what’s under the tree neither. :P
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This is worse than waiting for Christmas when I was 12.
Can’t even go peek at what’s under the tree neither. :P
Hahaha! I remember those days!
Then when you go to bed you want it right beside you.
First thing you see when you wake up.
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Bob - I did forward your links to the engineer in charge of the project. He and I discussed them during the development of the project. I do appreciate you sharing them with me!
John
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The new Crosman Drifter
https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-drifter-kit (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-drifter-kit) is now available to all those who were interested. No new word on the New 362 though. Gotta be getting close 🤞
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The new Crosman Drifter
https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-drifter-kit (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-drifter-kit) is now available to all those who were interested. No new word on the New 362 though. Gotta be getting close 🤞
I predict the 362 will be out before next summer. ;) ;) ;D
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The new Crosman Drifter
https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-drifter-kit (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-drifter-kit) is now available to all those who were interested. No new word on the New 362 though. Gotta be getting close 🤞
I predict the 362 will be out before next summer. ;) ;) ;D
OOH! I hope so! ;D
Actually I am also hoping they are working to wring every last performance measure out of it before release so that the discontinuation of the 392 can be justified.
Just my WAG, of course... ;)
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I just try to keep it on the back burner, but then someone adds to the thread and I have to see what is up.
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This is exactly how I lost interest in the Fortitude.
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See, you just did it again! ;D
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This is exactly how I lost interest in the Fortitude.
Oh come one now, don’t loss interest just yet. The estimated in stock date on Midway USA now says 10/7
Description is still wrong but yeah,
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023242259 (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023242259)
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This is exactly how I lost interest in the Fortitude.
Oh come one now, don’t loss interest just yet. The estimated in stock date on Midway USA now says 10/7
Description is still wrong but yeah,
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023242259 (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023242259)
Fortitude.. rinse and repeat.
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This is exactly how I lost interest in the Fortitude.
Oh come one now, don’t loss interest just yet. The estimated in stock date on Midway USA now says 10/7
Description is still wrong but yeah,
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023242259 (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023242259)
I'm holding out in hopes for 2 of them. If they do materialize, I've got feeling they will sell like hotcakes.
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This is exactly how I lost interest in the Fortitude.
Oh come one now, don’t loss interest just yet. The estimated in stock date on Midway USA now says 10/7
Description is still wrong but yeah,
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023242259 (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023242259)
Fortitude.. rinse and repeat.
Predicted in stock dates have been about as accurate as navigation with the flat earth map are, the first is possible though. ;)
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This is exactly how I lost interest in the Fortitude.
Oh come one now, don’t loss interest just yet. The estimated in stock date on Midway USA now says 10/7
Description is still wrong but yeah,
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023242259 (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023242259)
Fortitude.. rinse and repeat.
Predicted in stock dates have been about as accurate as navigation with the flat earth map are, the first is possible though. ;)
Oh I get it. Been around a block or two to know estimated in stock dates aren’t ever accurate. But my spidey senses are telling me it’s getting close to becoming available. We share see in due time. I have faith and patience.
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This is exactly how I lost interest in the Fortitude.
Oh come one now, don’t loss interest just yet. The estimated in stock date on Midway USA now says 10/7
Description is still wrong but yeah,
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023242259 (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023242259)
Fortitude.. rinse and repeat.
Predicted in stock dates have been about as accurate as navigation with the flat earth map are, the first is possible though. ;)
Oh I get it. Been around a block or two to know estimated in stock dates aren’t ever accurate. But my spidey senses are telling me it’s getting close to becoming available. We share see in due time. I have faith and patience.
It seems as if it is getting closer, as we pass through time. I just refuse to get excited over any date predicted now.
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I'm feeling like it might be sooner rather than later.
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I'm feeling like it might be sooner rather than later.
I think it is very likely to be soon.
The Schimel AP-22 exists in the form of period advertising only, such as an excerpt from a 1951 Stoeger catalog
To date, not a single specimen of the actual gun has ever come to light even though they were advertised. As they say history repeats, but I do think it is unlikely for the 362 to fade away. I may get one but I am having a hard time considering buying more lately. If I am ever going to leave CA I don't need more to move.
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I am just awaiting the word.... "Pre-order" !!! Then I can get excited
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When the first rumblings about the gun started I estimated that Crosman would try to get the gun out by mid October to capitalize on the Christmas retail season. I suspect we will see some more advertising soon.
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I was reminded about this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NwP3wes4M8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NwP3wes4M8)
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https://youtu.be/OqOEnbXmnGc
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at midnight I'll be at midway hitting refresh :P
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Let down again... Now it says overdue at Midway.
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All - When I hear something I will say something. I know you all are excited to get it in your hands.
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All - When I hear something I will say something. I know you all are excited to get it in your hands.
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I can’t wait. I always wanted to make one of these and if it comes out (please please please) I won’t have to make one myself. Lol
I’ve added a couple of small extra items that likely fit the 362 to my project gun orders.
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OK! This has gone on long enough! Hear me Crosman! NOW, SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
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Perhaps the whole thing was just a clever marketing ploy by Crosman to sell more steel breeches?
I’m joking of course. ;D
I was thinking that they would want to get it on the market in time for the holiday season.
But of course the marketing folks at Crosman know more about that sort of thing than I do.
Still joking. :D
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Perhaps the whole thing was just a clever marketing ploy by Crosman to sell more steel breeches?
I’m joking of course. ;D
You know, a steel breech was the first thing that popped into my head to get.
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LOL... my first thought was.. Ok, what is this gun going to do for me that the ones I already have won't do?
Answer.... nothing.
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Not buying airguns anymore.
I will just accessorize what I have and invest in good optics ;D
I have too many accessories to dress them up as I please, you know ;D
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I'm a fan of the 1322 and this looks like a good subject for tinkering and upgrades. "800 fps" sounds pretty optimistic for a .22 pumper, though. Of course I need another pumper like I need a hole in the head.
800 fps advertised by Crosman, most probably with a lightweigth pellet. I'm guessing you'll get around 600-650 fps with ''standard'' 14.3 grains pellet. 8)
I wonder if these will be deemed rifles by Canada Law? Because I'm interested in one.
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Wow - great find !
And smart move from Crosman...
Yes, with steel breech or steel breech option please. To properly mount your scope. The big miss imho in comparison with the 39x platform.
Oh and dear Crosman, can you hear me: offer one with a wood stock as well :D
Steel Breach, a piece of Pic or weaver rail big enough for a Red Dot, and a wood stock and I would spend the money.
Even though I don't need another air rifle at all. I'd still spend the money.
But this old boy is NOT going down the PCP road.
He does want what he wants. Decent power, decent accuracy, decent trigger, ability to mount a sight without a whole lot of gunsmithing, and a decent wood stock.
Put a turkish walnut wood stock on it and you can jack the price up some more. Have to say I love my Hatsan stocks.
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LOL... my first thought was.. Ok, what is this gun going to do for me that the ones I already have won't do?
Answer.... nothing.
Lol I think I wanted this in theory before I got what I have now. I’ve made an excuse and chalked it up to unfinished business. ;D
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LOL... my first thought was.. Ok, what is this gun going to do for me that the ones I already have won't do?
Answer.... nothing.
And I'm sure one of the guns you already have is better looking, it also probably doesn't have as much plastic either.
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LOL... my first thought was.. Ok, what is this gun going to do for me that the ones I already have won't do?
Answer.... nothing.
And I'm sure one of the guns you already have is better looking, it also probably doesn't have as much plastic either.
I was thinking I would also have to do something about that plastic. Like you, I’m not a fan.
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Got a Remmy 513 T stock I am thinking of adapting for the 362...already had a steel breech also...
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Got a Remmy 513 T stock I am thinking of adapting for the 362...already had a steel breech also...
I’ve already started looking at stocks that I can adapt to fit the 362 also.
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LOL... my first thought was.. Ok, what is this gun going to do for me that the ones I already have won't do?
Answer.... nothing.
It will be very popular up here in Canada. It would be considered a rifle, and save alot of us modifying 66/M4-177 pump tubes to convert our 13xx into legit rifles for our laws.
As they deem the 2289 still a pistol. Then with light weight pellets, that throws wrenches into it. Esp when tuning because it can easily turn a Sub500 FPS pistol into a restricted pistol without knowing, as there isn't a set law on the weight of the pellet they use to determine FPS.
Many think they go by the standard 14.3grn, but Crosman Canada doesn't even know what the Queens Cowboys use to test, and when I try and get the answers from the Queens Cowboys, they poke for information from me, rather than just telling me.
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It's listed on the Crosman website now. I hope that means it's getting close.
https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-362 (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-362)
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It's listed on the Crosman website now. I hope that means it's getting close.
https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-362 (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-362)
But it is out of stock!!!!
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I can only hope the pump linkage will last longer than my 1300 did. I will buy one anyway.
Quite the spread of velocity from 875 in the marketing schpeel to the specs page 685.
I hate marketing people. I pose as one, but better than theirs.
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I can only hope the pump linkage will last longer than my 1300 did. I will buy one anyway.
Quit the spread of velocity from 875 in the marketing schpeel to the specs page 685.
I hate marketing people. I pose as one, but better than theirs.
If it will get close to 500 fps with my .25 barrel and a 22gr wadcutter, I'll be happy.
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Thanks for posting the link Ed. I looked at the pictures on the website and found an issue. Probably just my own personal preference but. . . . I hold my (scoped) Crosman pumpers in front of the trigger guard with my left hand and work the pump arm with my right hand. It looks a little odd but once you get used to it its really as easy as gripping the the breech from the top. Judging by the pictures there is not enough stock in front of the trigger guard for me to hold the gun that way. I intend to put a steel breech on this gun and scope it. With a scope on top and no room to grip the stock underneath I will have to develop a new pumping technique. :(
The 875 FPS is achieved with Crosman’s proprietary testing pellet made from a special alloy of Christmas tinsel and fairy farts.
And where is the “Pre-order” button?
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It's listed on the Crosman website now. I hope that means it's getting close.
https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-362 (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-362)
Well it’s about time. Nice find. Maybe we will see it before Christmas after all.
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It's listed on the Crosman website now. I hope that means it's getting close.
https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-362 (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-362)
Well it’s about time. Nice find. Maybe we will see it before Christmas after all.
Christmas... what year?
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Any details on valve, pump tube/piston style and trigger group yet?
Its ok to leak these details, just blame me ;D
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Is that a peep sight I see on that gun?
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It is the reversible 22XX rear sight.... peep or notch, just flip it over....
Bob
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If not available by Thanksgiving, I consider it a hoax...
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If not available by Thanksgiving, I consider it a hoax...
Because nobody else is having delays due to the plandemic?
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If not available by Thanksgiving, I consider it a hoax...
Because nobody else is having delays due to the plandemic?
Plandemic ;D true !!!
Common, please appreciate a bit of sarcastic humor and don't take life to serious during this d**n panic.
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I'm not sweating it.
Once it is eventually released it will probably be at least a year before I can actually buy one anyways.
Someone has to come up with a way to put a proper traditional wood stock and eliminate most of the plastic first, once I know that's a possibility I'll consider buying one.
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I'm not sweating it.
Once it is eventually released it will probably be at least a year before I can actually buy one anyways.
Someone has to come up with a way to put a proper traditional wood stock and eliminate most of the plastic first, once I know that's a possibility I'll consider buying one.
The solution is probably the same as how you built your little pumper. I’ve already started buying parts that would get rid of the plastic, we’ll in theory. It looks like the same trigger too.
My problem is that I usually wait too long. I end up being forced to buy the guns that I want, usually a couple of months before becoming discontinued. I missed out on a few like that. :-[
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All - The 875 is an "up to" with alloy pellets. Marketing specs drive me nuts but I understand the "why" behind them. We also have "up to" 700fps on the box with our 14.3s. You can expect numbers close to that at 10 pumps. This rifle is sweet! They pump easy and make good power.
I am not sure where we are in terms of going into production. We are getting close though.
John
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I'm set up for in stock notifications on the Crosman site and every other site that has it listed. Take my money! ;D
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All - The 875 is an "up to" with alloy pellets. Marketing specs drive me nuts but I understand the "why" behind them. We also have "up to" 700fps on the box with our 14.3s. You can expect numbers close to that at 10 pumps. This rifle is sweet! They pump easy and make good power.
I am not sure where we are in terms of going into production. We are getting close though.
John
"Is" ?????????????????
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All - The 875 is an "up to" with alloy pellets. Marketing specs drive me nuts but I understand the "why" behind them. We also have "up to" 700fps on the box with our 14.3s. You can expect numbers close to that at 10 pumps. This rifle is sweet! They pump easy and make good power.
I am not sure where we are in terms of going into production. We are getting close though.
John
"Is" ?????????????????
I'm guessing they have at least a couple test models at their disposal.
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One of the perks of working here is I can get my hands on all of the latest and greatest products! The lead engineer on this project sits right next to me. We have 40 or so design pilot rifles to test. So we have a good idea as to the velocity and pumping effort.
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We have a rare insight to the goings on at Crosman development through John. In turn he gets to put a finger on the pulse of the potential customers in real time. Not only does he see our responses to what Crosman offers, he also gets to see first hand reactions to the competition.
This gun coming in at below $100 and the potential for personalizing it with all the things good that are available for the 'lego' aspect, be it Crosman parts or aftermarket stuff, is sure to be a hit. I think Crosman has done their home work on this one. And I think we may have had a little something to do with it.
How many times have we seen guns rushed to market? How many Gen II and even Gen III have we experienced due to bugs being worked out after the rushed release? I'm sure they felt the sting from guns like the Marauder and Fortitude.
John, do me a favor.... buy that guy next to you a coffee and doughnut tomorrow morning. Tell him it's from the folks at GTA.
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well folks the up to is necessary... could be more clear by stating with what grains at what ambient conditions...and there will be a bit of variance in head space due to manufacturing tolerances...
a little reading to explain... https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=77463.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=77463.0)
But we are not most folks... we want to know all the details...
Well the picture of the linkage(at crosman.com) tells me with a high probability it has a 2100 linkage and swept volume... and so probably has a valve near in size to a 760-13xx...
My 1322 XLT hybrid was over ported with that swept volume and valve size... It was originally a .25 with a 19" Trail XL barrel (~630 fps with 20g FTT)... as a .22 and a 22" cut down Diso barrel...well ~700 fps with CPHP and CPUM at 11 pumps... So yep I have a lot of faith in the numbers being what they are...
Thanks for your participation John/C.E. .. ;)
I keep dreaming of a 15-20 pump pumper... MK 177 Diameter tube with the 4.5" stroke of the 66/664 linkage...with a valve volume of about .24 C.I. ...
can you tell us if the bolt handle is screw in(Disco/Maximus) or pressed in like a 13xx..? ;)
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I bet the barrels are the new in house barrels also... and if my Maximus barrels are an indication...they are very good(moa ish 35-40 yards) with CPUM and CPHP in both .177 and .22...
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well folks the up to is necessary... could be more clear by stating with what grains at what ambient conditions...and there will be a bit of variance in head space due to manufacturing tolerances...
a little reading to explain... https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=77463.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=77463.0)
But we are not most folks... we want to know all the details...
Well the picture of the linkage(at crosman.com) tells me with a high probability it has a 2100 linkage and swept volume... and so probably has a valve near in size to a 760-13xx...
My 1322 XLT hybrid was over ported with that swept volume and valve size... It was originally a .25 with a 19" Trail XL barrel (~630 fps with 20g FTT)... as a .22 and a 22" cut down Diso barrel...well ~700 fps with CPHP and CPUM at 11 pumps... So yep I have a lot of faith in the numbers being what they are...
Thanks for your participation John/C.E. .. ;)
I keep dreaming of a 15-20 pump pumper... MK 177 Diameter tube with the 4.5" stroke of the 66/664 linkage...with a valve volume of about .24 C.I. ...
can you tell us if the bolt handle is screw in(Disco/Maximus) or pressed in like a 13xx..? ;)
With that 13xx plastic breech, I'm sure it's pressed in.
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well I maxed out size on picture #5 and it looks more like screw in... But..?
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Doubtful this gun is based on a 2100 pump link.
If this gun makes 700 FPS with 14.3 CPHPs at 10 pumps with a 5/8" ID tube and 5" stroke it is one hot tamale.
That's in the very upper power range of a highly modified 2200.
A 2200 making that kind of power is not going to be easy to pump.
It's supposed to be a youth gun and easy to pump so I'd guess a 6" to 7" stroke is more likely.
The 16" pump arm would provide the leverage needed for easy pumping with the long stroke.
Dimensions shown are approximate.
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Well here is the thing...the 2100/2200 has a valve that is about .007 ci... the valve volume on this is very likely to be between .01 and .013 like my 1322 XLT... that extra volume is easier to pump than a 2100/2200... pump 10 was like pump 6-7 compared to my 2100b with the old style 2 piece piston installed...
A lot depends on the valve size...
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I may be mistaken but i think I read the pump handle itself is longer. That should increase the pumping leverage making it easier.
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well it looks as tho I am at least a little wrong.. ;) on the piston end there is thinning that is not there on the 2100...and it does look like it may be a touch longer... the handle support looks very much similar/same as a 2100...
a 6" stroke would be harder to pump at pump 10( with more psi/power) than a 5" stroke if valve size is equal...
The fat MK tube is very easy to pump with a 3.5" stroke and long pump handle... easier than the slim 2100 with it's 5" stroke... they both have about the same swept volume...
I just like the MK and it's valve cause it can be hogged out to about twice the valve volume...
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I'm sure the valve volume will be greater than the 2100/2200.
Perhaps member Crosman Engineer could shed some light on the subject?
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I am hoping to be able to get a decently low serial # just for the sake of it... My U.S. Shooting Team Daisy 953 is #319 of the whole Daisy X53 line...
hope they do the low serial thru their website rather than the retailers... with released for sale at same time...
in the end it does not matter really... I want two.. ;) to start with...
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Obviously I'd have to try it to know, but it looks to me like they've worked hard to maintain the legendary "hand pinching" capabilities of a stock 1322!
If the rest of it is as cool as it looks, I guess it's a way to sell one more Lego part. At that price, still seems a nice gun (assuming I'm correct about my assumption), a bit of care in pumping usually remedies the issue with a 1322, once you learn the hard way anyway.
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Obviously I'd have to try it to know, but it looks to me like they've worked hard to maintain the legendary "hand pinching" capabilities of a stock 1322!
I've been using a Golf glove on my pump hand.. only FootJoy, not the cheap walmart gloves ! ;)
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If I were to buy it I would replace the whole stock with an uninletted Boyd's stock.
Kinda like the Millennium Pumper ;D
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Hope they make one in 0.177 as we are not allowed to own one in 0.22 according to new laws.
Although a 0.177 will still cost me a small fortune to own one.
Manish
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Hope they make one in 0.177 as we are not allowed to own one in 0.22 according to new laws.
Although a 0.177 will still cost me a small fortune to own one.
Manish
Are there any restrictions on how much energy an airgun can make?
I would suspect that converting to .177 would be pretty simple here in the US, but I don’t know how common Crosman parts are in India.
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Hope they make one in 0.177 as we are not allowed to own one in 0.22 according to new laws.
Although a 0.177 will still cost me a small fortune to own one.
Manish
I do understand your point.
Imported airguns cost so much in the Philippines as well.
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Hope they make one in 0.177 as we are not allowed to own one in 0.22 according to new laws.
Although a 0.177 will still cost me a small fortune to own one.
Manish
I do understand your point.
Imported airguns cost so much in the Philippines as well.
I imported two Crosman Custom Shop 2400KT’s a long time ago when I was still in the PI and it cost me close to $400 (Customs’ fee) on top of AIRGUN EXPORTER’s (Vincent) fee ???
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A firearms license is needed if it makes more than 15ft lbs.
License also needed for any fpe for.22
Manish.
Hope they make one in 0.177 as we are not allowed to own one in 0.22 according to new laws.
Although a 0.177 will still cost me a small fortune to own one.
Manish
Are there any restrictions on how much energy an airgun can make?
I would suspect that converting to .177 would be pretty simple here in the US, but I don’t know how common Crosman parts are in India.
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All - It is impressive how much you all figure out just looking at a few pictures. It has a 6" stroke and a 13xx series valve. It runs an aluminum pup rod and I think the same linkage as the 39x family.
It pumps like a 760 but with 15 FPE.
John
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A firearms license is needed if it makes more than 15ft lbs.
License also needed for any fpe for.22
Manish.
Hope they make one in 0.177 as we are not allowed to own one in 0.22 according to new laws.
Although a 0.177 will still cost me a small fortune to own one.
Manish
Are there any restrictions on how much energy an airgun can make?
I would suspect that converting to .177 would be pretty simple here in the US, but I don’t know how common Crosman parts are in India.
15 fpe is much more reasonable than the 12 fpe requirement in England. A 15 fpe .177 would be very useful as a small game or pest control rifle. Hopefully Crosman will realize the appeal of a .177 caliber version on the international market. In the past they have made .22 and .177 caliber versions of several of their guns.
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All - It is impressive how much you all figure out just looking at a few pictures. It has a 6" stroke and a 13xx series valve. It runs an aluminum pup rod and I think the same linkage as the 39x family.
It pumps like a 760 but with 15 FPE.
John
John, thanks for providing the specs on this much anticipated new gun.
Looks like Crosman took the best of the past guns to make the 362, well done.
Now if you could just make a nicer plastic stock for the 13xx guns.
Maybe something like this in plastic and bring back the fatty pump arm?
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Gotta agree with TackDriver
the 1399 stock is ergonomically unfriendly, and the 2289 pump handle is one of the best things Crosman every designed
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Forgive my ignorance but does that mean that the pump displaces the same volume of air at 10 pumps compared to the crosman legacy at 12 pumps and stores that air in a larger valve.
I'm new to air rifles my knowledge base is motors
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Forgive my ignorance but does that mean that the pump displaces the same volume of air at 10 pumps compared to the crosman legacy at 12 pumps and stores that air in a larger valve.
I'm new to air rifles my knowledge base is motors
Exactly, 12 pumps x 5"=60 as does 10 pumps x 6"=60.
Anyway you slice it, it's the same swept volume.
It's like the old saying:
Cut my pizza in 6 slices, I don't think I could eat 8....LOL
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overall, it looks to be a very decent setup. by the time you throw on a long steel breech... about $130, so price point is decent as well. if accuracy is there and its consistent, it would make this one a very affordable option. ;)
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Yeah, I'm Ready to spend some decent money ...
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In Spain the purchase is available, with an estimated delivery time of 12-15 days.
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A firearms license is needed if it makes more than 15ft lbs.
License also needed for any fpe for.22
Manish.
Hope they make one in 0.177 as we are not allowed to own one in 0.22 according to new laws.
Although a 0.177 will still cost me a small fortune to own one.
Manish
Are there any restrictions on how much energy an airgun can make?
I would suspect that converting to .177 would be pretty simple here in the US, but I don’t know how common Crosman parts are in India.
15 fpe is much more reasonable than the 12 fpe requirement in England. A 15 fpe .177 would be very useful as a small game or pest control rifle. Hopefully Crosman will realize the appeal of a .177 caliber version on the international market. In the past they have made .22 and .177 caliber versions of several of their guns.
if it is 15 fpe in .22 caliber with about 14g it will be about 10 fpe/ 2/3 that fpe in .177... this would be stock...
Should be able to get a bit more fpe by hogging out the valve to increase volume to about .13ci...then order a Maximus barrel for 4" more inches of length... Between those two should be able to send 15g .177 at about 670 fps...at about 13 pumps...
;)
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In Spain the purchase is available, with an estimated delivery time of 12-15 days.
I ordered one, two days later the seller contact me to apologize, the 362 will be available in February or March.
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I think it’s vapor ware just to see if interest is there.
Almost every part on it is something Crosman already stocks in other guns, yet it still doesn’t exist.
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I think it’s vapor ware just to see if interest is there.
Almost every part on it is something Crosman already stocks in other guns, yet it still doesn’t exist.
Or some parts are on a container ship. ::)
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Might have muzzle blast from the probe seal :o ;D
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Been a while since I have been on the forum, but do we have a date when this gun will be available in the USA ?
Thanks guys.
wll
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Last I heard was after the first of the year.
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I heard it would be ready by Spring, never-mind that was this year. ::) :-\
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I will believe it when they are selling. Till then all hype and no product.
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Last I heard was after the first of the year.
Which year? :P
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I have to admit that I'm getting a little discouraged myself.
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Meh... I've had my fun with the lego stuff anyways... I've moved on.
I got a few highly modded keepers in the cases. I'm good.
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I just want a 25 cal pumper.
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All - I would be willing to bet that you can get a 362 before this Christmas.
John
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That's good to hear! Thanks for the update
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All - I would be willing to bet that you can get a 362 before this Christmas.
John
IF I could order it right now, MAYBE... I am on the left coast, well actually 42 miles from the beach as the crow flies.
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Fingers crossed.
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If the Crosman custom shop ever gets back up and going... this is one I would love to see offered In It. A Realtree camo stock, steel breech, and a .177 options and it would be awesome with a lothar walther barrel option. Yeah, I know... nice to have dreams, lol. ;D
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If the Crosman custom shop ever gets back up and going... this is one I would love to see offered In It. A Realtree camo stock, steel breech, and a .177 options and it would be awesome with a lothar walther barrel option. Yeah, I know... nice to have dreams, lol. ;D
Definitely a great Custom Shop candidate!
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All - I would be willing to bet that you can get a 362 before this Christmas.
John
I've checked the site every day and it's still not available.
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All - I would be willing to bet that you can get a 362 before this Christmas.
John
I'll take that bet.
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Sigh. . . . Sounds like supply chain issues. :(
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Looks cool. Only a .22 version though?
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I just ordered one from midwayusa.com, plus also a TKO silencer and a steel breech from elsewhere. Fingers crossed that it actually does ship soon!
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Yep I just ordered mine as well. Got a free shipping code too. Won’t be here before Christmas and we’ll see if it gets here before the end of the year. I got an estimated delivery date of 1/3 😕
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Where did you gent order from? Midway is the only one that has it but it shows it as a .177
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I ordered mine from Midway USA at 3am this morning. It said there were only 3 left at that time
Insomnia sometimes pays off or costs you $$ depending how you look at it 😂
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I just ordered. Midway showed two left in stock when I ordered. Received conformation :)
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Where did you gent order from? Midway is the only one that has it but it shows it as a .177
It is .22 caliber. Midway's Q&A states so too.
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Looks like I missed out. They show out of stock now. Oh well, my budget is pretty blown from Christmas anyway.
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When I went to look at Midway on the 20th it said 5 in stock and I decided to let someone else get it. I decided to wait longer, since I got so much practice that I got good at waiting. ;D
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When I went to look at Midway on the 20th it said 5 in stock and I decided to let someone else get it. I decided to wait longer, since I got so much practice that I got good at waiting. ;D
Well, it's a good practice, if you would ask me ;D
I am the same way, lol!
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Waiting to see chronograph videos
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Tracking says mine will be here tomorrow. We'll see....
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Mine is supposed to be here by tomorrow evening. Depending on what time it gets here, I'll try to run a few over the chrony.
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Mine is supposed to be here by tomorrow evening. Depending on what time it gets here, I'll try to run a few over the chrony.
Can't wait love to see what it does before mods
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I might be a bit premature, or immature ??? But have to say it now, They do Exist :o
https://youtu.be/iE8CJwXSPRs
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Mine is supposed to be here by tomorrow evening. Depending on what time it gets here, I'll try to run a few over the chrony.
Can hardly wait to see the results you get :)
Ray
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same as Dennis... looking forward to seeing some groups and hearing how it measures up with FPS. 8)
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Mine just arrived. I'll see what it can do here shortly. Crosman still can't put a front sight on correctly. smh
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So no hoax in the end...
Fingers crossed that the trigger performs better than its looks ;)
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My just arrived also. I’m working so no time to do anything with it right now.
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So no hoax in the end...
Fingers crossed that the trigger performs better than its looks ;)
Probably stock 1322 trigger. It’s a little over sprung but it’s pretty crisp.
Not bad.
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So no hoax in the end...
Fingers crossed that the trigger performs better than its looks ;)
Probably stock 1322 trigger. It’s a little over sprung but it’s pretty crisp.
Not bad.
Is that a 2260/Disco trigger assembly?
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The trigger and housing looks like plastic, I hope not. I do like the design and style of the plastic stock and forearm and the rubber butt pad is nice. Looking forward to details and reviews. ;D
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Mine came in this evening too. I won't get chrony numbers any time soon as someone had requested. My chrony is packed up somewhere after a recent move.
A quick review....
It feels solid, balances nicely. The stock doesn't feel to cheep or sound too hollow. Even so, I can feel a wood upgrade coming in the future.
The trigger seems to be the familiar Disco/2260 variety, so should respond to the usual upgrades. The breech and sights look like the 13xx stuff we all know. A steel breech will come ASAP.
The barrel looks to be 20.5-ish inches. I haven't disassembled it yet to check the valve or the stroke, but it measures around 7.5" from the intake "groove" in the tube to what I assume is the valve retaining screw.
It was encouraging to see that the piston assembly is made of aluminum rather than plastic, albeit non-adjustable. It also has a bushing on the linkage end to keep it from gouging the pump tube.
I'll post some pics, but I'm posting from my phone and haven't posted pics in a while, so I'll have to see if I can resize them.
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No sign of any others for sale. Did they only make 6 and send them all to Midway?
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the gun looks and sounds really solid in that price range.. I mean , a disco trigger is like 25 bux alone
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No sign of any others for sale. Did they only make 6 and send them all to Midway?
My serial # is Nxxxxx733 so somewhere there are 732 more.
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I found some in stock on a site called Budk? Never heard of it so I'm a little suspicious.
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From the pictures posted it looks like it has a Legacy 1000 piston or one that is very similar.
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Following
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From the pictures posted it looks like it has a Legacy 1000 piston or one that is very similar.
I haven't seen the Legacy one to compare, but yes, this one is all aluminum and not plastic, like the early 766/2100/2200's.
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I found some in stock on a site called Budk? Never heard of it so I'm a little suspicious.
I just Googled the site and they have mixed reviews. Personally I wouldn't chance it.
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I found some in stock on a site called Budk? Never heard of it so I'm a little suspicious.
I just Googled the site and they have mixed reviews. Personally I wouldn't chance it.
I'm not. No other airgun or outdoor site has them in stock so I don't trust it at all.
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Finally got a chance to open the box and take a look. looks like mine bounced around a bite in shipping. The bolt punched a hole in the lid of the box. the two piece of Styrofoam were torn up some. Little pieces of Styrofoam everywhere. I hate that stuff. Clings to everything especially plastic.
The rifle looks fine though. My serial number N21xxx184. So pretty happy to get a fairly low serial number :D
I was half expecting to get a stock like my 2100 from the early 80's but this stock is much nicer then I expected. As a kid this rifle would have been my dream rifle. So wish this one was around back then. Why Crosman took so long to recognize what should have been made years ago is a little mind boggling. oh well. can't wait until have an opportunity to take it for a spin but got more important dad duties tonight and for the next few days.
Merry Christmas
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I like it that the tube is not stamped-----looks much cleaner like the CCS guns ;D
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FPS looks great! Is this a flat top setup? I zoomed in on the piston but could not clearly tell for sure? It is nice to see that they went with a metal piston. How does it feel at the pivot point... any slop there? How well does the barrel band secure the barrel. Set screw or friction fit? Is it plastic or metal? Questions, questions... sorry.
I am looking forward to seeing some groups. 8)
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I'm very much looking forward to seeing this gun, I hope that the gun is light and thin so an older coger like me at 73 can carry it around the boonies.
So far from everything I've heard I'm loving this gun - I have already bought a bunch of extras for it already ---- and I don't even have the gun
wll
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I found some in stock on a site called Budk? Never heard of it so I'm a little suspicious.
I just Googled the site and they have mixed reviews. Personally I wouldn't chance it.
I'm not. No other airgun or outdoor site has them in stock so I don't trust it at all.
Budk as a retailer is a legitimate site. I would have bought one, but they have a silly restriction to not ship airguns to my state.
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I found some in stock on a site called Budk? Never heard of it so I'm a little suspicious.
They're a " legitimate " retailer who's been around for decades , I used to shop with them all the time as a teenager.
They're a trustworthy company and all, but 95% of what they sell is cheap Chinese and Pakistani flea market knives and wall hanger swords.
I drooled over so many pieces of junk in those catalogs and luckily I barely ended up with 1/3 of what caught my eye.
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I found some in stock on a site called Budk? Never heard of it so I'm a little suspicious.
They're a " legitimate " retailer who's been around for decades , I used to shop with them all the time as a teenager.
They're a trustworthy company and all, but 95% of what they sell is cheap Chinese and Pakistani flea market knives and wall hanger swords.
I drooled over so many pieces of junk in those catalogs and luckily I barely ended up with 1/3 of what caught my eye.
I wonder why crosman chose to release a new product to them instead of other airgun sites? Doesn't make much sense to me.
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I found some in stock on a site called Budk? Never heard of it so I'm a little suspicious.
They're a " legitimate " retailer who's been around for decades , I used to shop with them all the time as a teenager.
They're a trustworthy company and all, but 95% of what they sell is cheap Chinese and Pakistani flea market knives and wall hanger swords.
I drooled over so many pieces of junk in those catalogs and luckily I barely ended up with 1/3 of what caught my eye.
I wonder why crosman chose to release a new product to them instead of other airgun sites? Doesn't make much sense to me.
Budk just apparently had a standing order in line while others slept or others just sold out of what they ordered/got and most of us missed it. That would be my guess anyway.
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Just, took the plunge and ordered the last 362 Budk had in stock, they said I should have it in the next 5-7 days. If this one lives up to the hype it may very well be the last pumper I buy for a while.
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From the pictures posted it looks like it has a Legacy 1000 piston or one that is very similar.
I also thought about the similarites in the piston the 362 vs. the Legacy 1000 and I was fully expecting the 362 to require a silicone based lubricate like the Legacy 1000, but in the 362 owners manual it calls for good ol' Pellgun oil. I used a little Mac-1 Secret Sauce on mine, but maybe a silicone based oil would also work well too???
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From the pictures posted it looks like it has a Legacy 1000 piston or one that is very similar.
I also thought about the similarites in the piston the 362 vs. the Legacy 1000 and I was fully expecting the 362 to require a silicone based lubricate like the Legacy 1000, but in the 362 owners manual it calls for good ol' Pellgun oil. I used a little Mac-1 Secret Sauce on mine, but maybe a silicone based oil would also work well too???
Silicone should be fine for the pump cup I assume, but I always just use secret sauce or 30Wt on the pivot points and maybe a drop down the tube if it's a new/dry gun. Otherwise, enough oil from oiling the pivot points makes its way to the tube to keep those orings happy.
Silicone oil isn't much good for metal-metal contact, IMO.
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I checked the net and found some in stock at Jay's Sporting Goods in Michigan. I think they showed 5 in stock when I placed an order for 2 on Monday. Received them Wednesday morning here in PA. $80 each and $15 shipping for the pair.
Serial numbers 700 and 702. Shot a few pellets out of each one for function check, and both worked well. The peep sight is located close to your eye, as it should be, but really is a poor thing to adjust. This is my only complaint so far.
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Now available from Crosman....
Honey found me a 10% discount coupon and shipping is free.........
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I'm watching to see if I want to get one of these. I passed on my last 392 to one of the grand kids and I miss it. :D
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Crosman's web site says "Up to 700 fps" with lead pellets, so don't expect anything close to the 875 fps people seem to be hoping for. That's "up to 875 fps" with alloy pellets, which no one uses if they want accuracy. I think the claim to fame with this new 362 is that it is easier to pump than a 392. Crosman says less pumping effort than a 760.
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Pyramyd air now has them
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Purchased mine thru crosman free pellets why not
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I checked the net and found some in stock at Jay's Sporting Goods in Michigan. I think they showed 5 in stock when I placed an order for 2 on Monday. Received them Wednesday morning here in PA. $80 each and $15 shipping for the pair.
Serial numbers 700 and 702. Shot a few pellets out of each one for function check, and both worked well. The peep sight is located close to your eye, as it should be, but really is a poor thing to adjust. This is my only complaint so far.
Thanks for the tip on Jay's. Ordered the 362 and steel breech. Steel breech was cheaper than anywhere else ($35) and as a plus the total shipping to CA was only $10.
As a bonus, customer service was superb. Real person emailed me to confirm the order and I was able to ask her to add the steel breech to the package.
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I checked the net and found some in stock at Jay's Sporting Goods in Michigan. I think they showed 5 in stock when I placed an order for 2 on Monday. Received them Wednesday morning here in PA. $80 each and $15 shipping for the pair.
Serial numbers 700 and 702. Shot a few pellets out of each one for function check, and both worked well. The peep sight is located close to your eye, as it should be, but really is a poor thing to adjust. This is my only complaint so far.
Thanks for the tip on Jay's. Ordered the 362 and steel breech. Steel breech was cheaper than anywhere else ($35) and as a plus the total shipping to CA was only $10.
As a bonus, customer service was superb. Real person emailed me to confirm the order and I was able to ask her to add the steel breech to the package.
I had a slight bump with my order with Jay's but they kept me informed through their issue, and it is on its way to me now.
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ok. I bought one just as soon as Crosman had them listed on the Crosman page. For me, I see the 362 filling several needs. The one thing that worries me is the accuracy. I have PCP''s that shoot dime size groups at 27 yards, both .177 and .22 but something about this Crosman pumper really appeals to me.
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I checked the net and found some in stock at Jay's Sporting Goods in Michigan. I think they showed 5 in stock when I placed an order for 2 on Monday. Received them Wednesday morning here in PA. $80 each and $15 shipping for the pair.
Serial numbers 700 and 702. Shot a few pellets out of each one for function check, and both worked well. The peep sight is located close to your eye, as it should be, but really is a poor thing to adjust. This is my only complaint so far.
Thanks for the tip on Jay's. Ordered the 362 and steel breech. Steel breech was cheaper than anywhere else ($35) and as a plus the total shipping to CA was only $10.
As a bonus, customer service was superb. Real person emailed me to confirm the order and I was able to ask her to add the steel breech to the package.
I had a slight bump with my order with Jay's but they kept me informed through their issue, and it is on its way to me now.
Did you order from Jays today or a few days ago .. I don't see any on their website today ?
wll
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A few days ago , they had limited stock at one store, and had to transfer one to ship ??? <goes to check tracking> hope it track straight. I will be doing a Buck Rail parts build with mine once I can see what they have that will work. I know I will be using their optic mounts, put a set on my 392 great solid, fit and plastic will not mar the barrel, or separate it.
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I cast up a pound of wad cutters this morning with an excellent run today, I'll probably cast up another pound tomorrow because I ordered the 362 this morning, I always do a lot of indoor shooting with wad cutters this time of year in my vintage pistols and they'll probably shoot really good from the 362 as well, they weigh about 16.5 grains average.
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Mine was ordered Monday and had to be transferred from the other store as well. Won't get delivery till next Wednesday.
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after reading all the threads and a lot of deliberation... I will take the chance. there are a lot of possibilities with this one. with the discount code ordering from Crosman it was still under $100. I have the breach, scope, and LDC and dont have to spend any money there. I will wait and see how you folks address the plastic trigger and which one is a drop in replacement, but i will definitely want to lose the plastic trigger.
I really like what I see and the power is there. being able to do 3-4 pumps for what i need is perfect and hopefully... accuracy is there too. ;)
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I ordered mine direct from Crosman so they can't switch stores because that's the only place direct from Crosman. Now just the waiting for Crosman to send the tracking number is what I'm waiting on now ???
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I’m kind of a crank about the Crosman model 1400. None of the pumpers they made after the 1400 appealed to me. I finally bought a 2100 and decided I was pretty much right about those post 1400 pumpers.
So I’ve been waiting a long time for Crosman to put a powerful .22 caliber pumper back in the line up.
The advertising even says the gun is recommended for hunting! That’s a daring move IMO.
I’m content now to wait and let the teething problems get ironed out. There will be a lot more information about the gun in six months time.
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Carter my main use for the gun will be red squirrels so as far as a hunting gun goes, that's not really what I'll be using the gun for, it will be for getting rid of the recent rise in the red squirrels in the neighborhood, when I go to the state land hunting I'll definitely be carrying something more capable for far off shots that the 362 wouldn't be good for. A hunting gun in my opinion is something more like my ChallengerSL which is a slug shooter doing 70fpe at mach speeds for some long distance hunting when needed. The 362 will also be very fun plinking with as well.
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Shouldn't much of a 'teething' process. The gun is virtually assembled from time tested and proven parts.
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Another thing that's nice about the 22xx parts last I knew they were still being manufactured at Crosman as well. I wonder if the info with it says MADE IN USA ???
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I think for pellets, I am going to try and sight in something different than my regular "run to" Crosman Super Point" 14.3's. I have a tin of H&N trophy 5.53 and a tin of H&N trophy 5.55 pellets that didn't work out in a Crosman 18" / .22 barrel I bought for my last project. Both are 14.66gr so very comparable weight wise, and maybe this gun will do well with them?
I decided to take apart the modded 1377 that I don't use and go with the long steel breach it has rather than the short one I bought by mistake. I have a .22 bolt now in it so I am ready for the swap once the rifle arrives. 8)
The Super Points work fantastic in all my LW barrels. Going back to a Crosman barrel should be interesting. So basically, from what I am reading in the threads, is that everything above the pump tube is pretty much a 13xx platform... is that correct?
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I ordered mine direct from Crosman so they can't switch stores because that's the only place direct from Crosman. Now just the waiting for Crosman to send the tracking number is what I'm waiting on now ???
I received an email from Crosman this morning. Mine shipped with tracking number.
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By the velocities that I've seen people getting with the 362 I'm thinking it will be ideal shooting heavy wad cutters. I won't really know until I put them over the chronograph.
They seem to be perfect out of my Master Blaster, in the past I've shot red squirrels in my back yard with great success, that's using c02. I may even carry it out on the state
land when squirrel season closes for the red squirrels. The batch that I cast yesterday came out really great with only 8 bad ones out of about 250. I think it's one of the best
runs that I've had casting them because it's actually tougher casting these little buggers because the sprue plate hole is tiny in comparison to all my other airgun molds. You
need to really keep the ladle clean for casting them.
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I cast some of those up yesterday, ready for the big moment when I get to pump it up and pull the real trigger :) My casting skills were off a bit maybe my temp was a bit low with the current cold snap, so I had about 20 rejects out of 100.
:( Tracking says it will be here today, but now I have my doubts.
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James for casting these wad cutters after casting the first cavity I'll position the ladle for a little longer making sure the lead drains back into the ladle good before pouring the second cavity. Also you can get good result by letting a little lead dribble out of it before casting the second one. The dribble method makes more oxide in the pot though. Everything that I've been casting is lead from the lead pipe that was given to me recently which is more than I'll probably use in another 5 years. I still have a giant pile of it sitting outside I won't even bother with till spring gets here.
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Another thing that's nice about the 22xx parts last I knew they were still being manufactured at Crosman as well. I wonder if the info with it says MADE IN USA ???
The long delay made me wonder if some components are imported. I ordered from Crosman too, just got email with tracking#. I want it. Now.
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I was wrong about the shipper it's UPS.
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Shouldn't much of a 'teething' process. The gun is virtually assembled from time tested and proven parts.
Fingers crossed! ;D
You're in manufacturing Bill. You know how months of R&D is not the same thing as a week of some gomer actually using/abusing the product. I bet we'll hear about some weak spots as things shake down.
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Shouldn't much of a 'teething' process. The gun is virtually assembled from time tested and proven parts.
Fingers crossed! ;D
You're in manufacturing Bill. You know how months of R&D is not the same thing as a week of some gomer actually using/abusing the product. I bet we'll hear about some weak spots as things shake down.
If I remember right they tested over 40 preproduction samples, I am not concerned with what some gomer can do by abuse since I am not a gomer, or an abuser. A rifle in this price range I would expect to always have weaknesses, but be "serviceable" when treated well. We can see well known weak spots with the plastic breech and trigger but it's the platform that matters most to me on Lego guns. Many of us would like a decent wood stock and no plastic, but then the price would be doubled, IMO. I am sure they would sell a lot of them too but the waterproof plastic stock makes some sense if it is going to be carried through the woods.
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Whoo-hoo mine made it after all Here's what I have so far... Fairly solid polymer stock similar to Maximus. Trigger usable. Took only 5 patches to clean the barrel, felt smooth. I skipped the crony and went right for grouping, AA 16 gr., aimed at the front lower corner of the roof and managed to miss the broadside of the barn but did hit the roof :)
Now to find the scope mount adapters I thought I had and get a real feel for this 362.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8406)
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I must of got Packer Fan Pricing???
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;D 8) Found my scope mounts, 10m 5 shot groups, 7 pumps, Air Arms 16 gr. Pellet in the hole is .30 cal. Bad scattered target to the right is from my home cast wad cutters @ 7 pumps, but they settled in with 4 pumps. Next up is see how Poly-Mags fly.
BTW the scope is a UTG 4-16 x 40, about a 14 oz. scope, seems to be holding true with the Buck Rail 3D Printed Mounts, I did go and snug them up after about 30 shots and they were still good, but figured an extra re torque would not be a bad idea.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8408)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8407)
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Looking good with those AA pellets. Gotta love those Buck-Rail parts. I was going to order the 2-6x AO scope he carries for my 362 but it looks like it's out of stock right now.
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Got my 362 this morning box was a little beat up gun had no broken parts 5 shots into testing front sight fell off and had to be glued back on
The crosman essential pellets that came with purchase where all over the place using a grain scale i soon found out why 1/3 tin of pellets had a weight of 13 grain 1/3 had a weight of 13.7 and the other 1/3 where around 14.5 grains
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Dennis that's a BIG weight variation in them pellets for sure, I've never cared much for any of the Crosman pellets personally, but I do shoot all my own cast stuff which never varies in weight any more than .5g max, not even for the big bores. When mine gets here I'll start out doing a chrony test with my 16.5 grain wad cutters in it.
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Dennis that's a BIG weight variation in them pellets for sure, I've never cared much for any of the Crosman pellets personally, but I do shoot all my own cast stuff which never varies in weight any more than .5g max, not even for the big bores. When mine gets here I'll start out doing a chrony test with my 16.5 grain wad cutters in it.
once I get 5 that weigh the same I get 1 hole at 15 yards
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The last bunch of wad cutters that I cast all weigh from 16.3g-16.6g, it was a really good run for sure. It's going to be fun shooting them from my C362 very soon 8)
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Back Roads.
That picture of the breech look rough !
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Back Roads.
That picture of the breech look rough !
I was confused about your question for a second, then the light came on, the closeup of the breach is the box where the bolt broke through the cardboard :)
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Shouldn't much of a 'teething' process. The gun is virtually assembled from time tested and proven parts.
Quite so. Only mechanical change is the air tube length (read swept volume) and the pump frame.
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I was tempted to get one of these guns but I'm going to live vicariously through all of you....LOL
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I was tempted to get one of these guns but I'm going to live vicariously through all of you....LOL
NO RON !!! You are forbidden to venture into this gun. I have seen what you do with these pumpers and frankly, I can't handle the envy !!!
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Finally got mine set up with the steel breach and Hawk Vantage 2-7x32 AO. Just 10 yards shooting in the basement and it groups well with the 14.3 JSBs I used. Needs some trigger work but I think I’ll just shoot it as is for now see if it wears in.
I tested my rifle up to 12 pumps. My pumps aren’t the same as you low landers pumps so don’t freak out. I got 696 fps average over 3 shots with the 14.3 JSBs. And it retained just the slightest burp of air. Don’t plan shooting like that just wanted to see. Probably stay under 10 most of the time. Will have to test further what velocities I get at different number of pumps. Will have to test a few more pellets too see what’s going to work best
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Finally got mine set up with the steel breach and Hawk Vantage 2-7x32 AO. Just 10 yards shooting in the basement and it groups well with the 14.3 JSBs I used. Needs some trigger work but I think I’ll just shoot it as is for now see if it wears in.
I tested my rifle up to 12 pumps. My pumps aren’t the same as you low landers pumps so don’t freak out. I got 696 fps average over 3 shots with the 14.3 JSBs. And it retained just the slightest burp of air. Don’t plan shooting like that just wanted to see. Probably stay under 10 most of the time. Will have to test further what velocities I get at different number of pumps. Will have to test a few more pellets too see what’s going to work best
Justin...
I just took a Hawke AirMax 2-7x32 AO off of the 392s I boxed to ship out to it's new owner. That's exactly the scope I will be putting on the 362.
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I was tempted to get one of these guns but I'm going to live vicariously through all of you....LOL
NO RON !!! You are forbidden to venture into this gun. I have seen what you do with these pumpers and frankly, I can't handle the envy !!!
Not to worry, I'm having an affair with PCPs....LOL
I don't know how much more power can be be had from this gun.
If the stroke is 6" as stated, at 8 pumps that's 48 swept inches.
A hopped up 2200 is good for about 700 FPS with 10 pumps, 50 swept inches.
So Crosman really maxed out the power with this gun.
Looks good too.
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I was tempted to get one of these guns but I'm going to live vicariously through all of you....LOL
NO RON !!! You are forbidden to venture into this gun. I have seen what you do with these pumpers and frankly, I can't handle the envy !!!
I don't know how much more power can be be had from this gun.
If the stroke is 6" as stated, at 8 pumps that's 48 swept inches.
A hopped up 2200 is good for about 700 FPS with 10 pumps, 50 swept inches.
So Crosman really maxed out the power with this gun.
Looks good too.
That lends itself to my desire to step down in caliber... raise the fps and go for distance accuracy.
What would you say to a 24 - 26" barrel in .177 10.49 H&N Hunter and no power mods?
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I was tempted to get one of these guns but I'm going to live vicariously through all of you....LOL
NO RON !!! You are forbidden to venture into this gun. I have seen what you do with these pumpers and frankly, I can't handle the envy !!!
I don't know how much more power can be be had from this gun.
If the stroke is 6" as stated, at 8 pumps that's 48 swept inches.
A hopped up 2200 is good for about 700 FPS with 10 pumps, 50 swept inches.
So Crosman really maxed out the power with this gun.
Looks good too.
That lends itself to my desire to step down in caliber... raise the fps and go for distance accuracy.
What would you say to a 24 - 26" barrel in .177 10.49 H&N Hunter and no power mods?
Good call, should make about 825 FPS in 17 cal.
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Bill
Yes. The Hawke 2-7x32 and 3-9x40 AO Vantage are my favorite budget scopes.
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... and that should equate to plenty of FPE to knock a tree rat off an acorn tree at 50 or so.... ;)
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Bill
Yes. The Hawke 2-7x32 and 3-9x40 AO Vantage are my favorite budget scopes.
Right there with ya, Brother.
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I was tempted to get one of these guns but I'm going to live vicariously through all of you....LOL
NO RON !!! You are forbidden to venture into this gun. I have seen what you do with these pumpers and frankly, I can't handle the envy !!!
I don't know how much more power can be be had from this gun.
If the stroke is 6" as stated, at 8 pumps that's 48 swept inches.
A hopped up 2200 is good for about 700 FPS with 10 pumps, 50 swept inches.
So Crosman really maxed out the power with this gun.
Looks good too.
That lends itself to my desire to step down in caliber... raise the fps and go for distance accuracy.
What would you say to a 24 - 26" barrel in .177 10.49 H&N Hunter and no power mods?
Good call, should make about 825 FPS in 17 cal.
15.8577 ft lbs
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There ya have it...
If accuracy is there I'm all in.
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With 7.9 CPHPS 800+, 12 FPE
With 10.49 ammo around 750 FPS and 13 FPE more or less.
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Got my breech and scope lined up. I'll order a barrel and look into where I want to be with the trigger group....
something metal but I'm not going to invest in a $65 setup. If I'm not mistaken, Bob has a pretty good tutorial on the 2 or 3 screw mod for this trigger group.
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Ron, do you happen to know the part number for the 24" .177 barrel?
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This is what I have.
There's also the Maximus barrel.
Gun Part Number Barrel Length
CCS P1300-116 LW .22 14.6"
CCS 2400-170 LW .177 14.6"
CCS 2300-102 LW.177 10.1”
2300T .177 2300-001 10.1"
2400 .22 2400-102 18”
2240 2240-002 7”
2250B 2250-019 14.5”
2250XE 2400-006 18”
Disco .177 1760SE-001 24"
Disco .22 2260SE-003 24”
2289.22 2289-001 12”
2289 .22 2289-001 14.5”
2260 .22 2260-003 24”
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These C362 threads are still going hog wild yet 8)
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1760SE 001 that's what I thought but it's been awhile since I ordered one.
I bet they have doubled in price.... :o
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These C362 threads are still going hog wild yet 8)
Yep, this is a gun that has been wanted by many of us for years. I doubt it will die down soon.
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It'll be like any other 'next best thing' phase we've gone through over and over. Couple weeks ago it was the AEA. before that was the DAR. Before that, some time back, we did it with the Air Speed.
The difference is... the lego has legacy.
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Ed I'll be bringing over to my brothers later in the week to let him check it out, I'll bring along a full tin of pellets when I go there. He's got a big L Ranch with a huge basement that's perfect for plinking. I'll probably bring along my Challenge SL 22 along as well.
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.... it's Marauder like in it's support, both factory and after market.
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Ed I'll be bringing over to my brothers later in the week to let him check it out, I'll bring along a full tin of pellets when I go there. He's got a big L Ranch with a huge basement that's perfect for plinking. I'll probably bring along my Challenge SL 22 along as well.
That sounds like a great plan to me. I just grabbed a tin of Meisterkugelns and went out with my 901 for a session. My first pellet rifle was a pumper and I still love them.
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With 7.9 CPHPS 800+, 12 FPE
With 10.49 ammo around 750 FPS and 13 FPE more or less.
that is pretty close to my more conservative quick/rough estimate of 12 fpe with 10.3g... reply #17
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Good call, should make about 825 FPS in 17 cal.
With 7.9 CPHPS 800+, 12 FPE
With 10.49 ammo around 750 FPS and 13 FPE more or less.
I just used an energy calculator and posted the result of 10.49grn @ 825fps =15.8577
So I guess you are revising your estimated output down just a bit?
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Good call, should make about 825 FPS in 17 cal.
With 7.9 CPHPS 800+, 12 FPE
With 10.49 ammo around 750 FPS and 13 FPE more or less.
I just used an energy calculator and posted the result of 10.49grn @ 825fps =15.8577
So I guess you are revising your estimated output down just a bit?
A lot of cross posting going on.
800+ FPS, 11.25 FPE with 7.9 CPHPs, with 10.49 ammo around 750 FPS, 13 FPE more or less.
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LOL.... I only needed to hear it once to be convinced. Here, hold my beer. I'm goin' in.
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Used to be a .22 cal average weight pellet airgun shooting 500 fps was a huge deal?
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Bill I think the New In house barrels are better barrels... I do not know if the 24" Barrels (disco/1760) are still old stock or new in house tho...
well anyways here is the maxi .177 evp for the 26" .177 barrel #...
down the road a bit I am thinking/dreamin' of ways to get about .2ci-24ci of valve volume... and pump 16-20 pumps
then I could call one of mine the K.O. 362-17 and of course it would be sending the JSB K.O.( ;)) 10g & 13.4g and other .177 slugs.. ;)
Heavy pellets also of course...
I do think about 18-20 fpe is achievable at that valve volume with the 10g pellets and slugs...with about that valve volume and 2100 swept volume was able to get 7.9g to 905 fps with a 16" barrel... and that is with about 1" less swept volume...
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Great folks in the VO (Crosman) parts department...
1760SE-001 24" .177 barrel on the way. $27 and change shipped.
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Crosman sure does have excellent prices on their barrels !!! I've bought a couple of them before. All their parts prices are very reasonable, some places think barrels are worth a fortune, a good example would be Lothar Walther, they're very expensive for what you get in my opinion.
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I have been hear reports of barrels not qualifying for the $4 shipping.... debunked !!
Shipping on this barrel was $4.
I also believe that the 'SE' in the part number signifies it is one of the newer 'in house' made barrels.
1760SE-001
Reason being, if you look up the evp for the original 1760 rifle, the part number for the barrel is 1760-001.
The Discovery .177 barrel is the 1760SE-001.
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Not only that Bill that barrel is ready to install when you get it too, no machining needed.
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Not only that Bill that barrel is ready to install when you get it too, no machining needed.
Yep, you got that right. Just unbox, clean and install with the steel breech and another goodie or 2 I have ready... ;)
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I read that the Disco .177 and .22 barrels have a flat milled on top toward the back for the set screw on the Disco sight sleeve to tighten to. If so, you might want the sleeve and sight from a Disco to cover the flat or just live with it. I used 2260 barrels on my guns, without the milled flat, so I don't know for sure.
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I read that the Disco .177 and .22 barrels have a flat milled on top toward the back for the set screw on the Disco sight sleeve to tighten to. If so, you might want the sleeve and sight from a Disco to cover the flat or just live with it. I used 2260 barrels on my guns, without the milled flat, so I don't know for sure.
It don't matter, I have a whole different 'thingie' for the muzzle end of it.... ;)
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The sleeve flat is at the back rear sight location in front of the breech. Another forum said it is a weak spot if you don't use the steel sleeve over it and could bend the barrel some. Don't know if this is true or not. If I get a 362, for me I would need the sight out on the barrel anyway as I have trouble focusing iron sights that are at the back of the breech on a rifle other than a peep. (http://)
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Ok, ok... my bad, I thought you meant the bevel sight locating bevel at the muzzle end.
I suppose it could be and issue if strained but out of the 20 or so barrels I've had, and many with that notch, I've never had an issue.
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Ok, ok... my bad, I thought you meant the bevel sight locating bevel at the muzzle end.
I suppose it could be and issue if strained but out of the 20 or so barrels I've had, and many with that notch, I've never had an issue.
I have never had a problem caused by it either. I don't like the fact that it does look like something is missing (it is), but it's not something that bothers me too much.
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I just thought folks should know it will be there on top of a Disco barrel. I guess the old 1760-001 is not available anymore. I use the steel sleeves when I need to mount a sight out front of the breech on Crosman barrels. They can add support and cover the flat even without the sight if desired. I used a muzzle loader adjustable sight on this one. They do need the steel breech to work though. (http://)
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I just thought folks should know it will be there on top of a Disco barrel. I guess the old 1760-001 is not available anymore. I use the steel sleeves when I need to mount a sight out front of the breech on Crosman barrels. They can add support and cover the flat even without the sight if desired. I used a muzzle loader adjustable sight on this one. (http://)
The sleeve requires the "Disco breech" too if I remember right.
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I have a couple of those sleeves around. I also have some black air tube that is the perfect ID. I've used it before as a faux shroud affect. Purely cosmetic. I may use that or, I also have some of the black anodized spacer. Either way, it will be dressed up to make it my own... ;)
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Well, this thread is really helping me move towards the 362. I have one in my cart on the Crosman website with the 10% off coupon code. It's cold outside and carrying around a hand pump or compressor is less appealing, I must admit.
I see the OEM barrel is 21", is the Disco 24" barrel compatible with the OEM hooded front sight? I'm wanting to stay iron sights, or at the most a red dot CCO/holographic type sight. This will be for recreational shooting at 10-35 yards. Could also see some use for pests, but I have a very light .22 PR900/CR600 hybrid and a .25 Eagle Claw for this purpose always ready to go.
What is the advantage to the steel breech?
Is it easy to attach sling swivels?
While I'm not really interested in super high power numbers, I do want this thing to shoot my cast 19 grain NOE pellets well. I am planning on ordering a few pounds of tin for casting lighter alloy or non lead pellets. This should help increase the BC of my cast pellets and bring the weight down to what the rifle was designed for out of the box. Casting in pure tin my pellets should be between 12-13 grains, pretty close to the pellets included with the rifle.
All that being said, I am curious to see how the hot rod c362's turn out. Could be something I do in the future, these are pretty affordable rifles.
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I just thought folks should know it will be there on top of a Disco barrel. I guess the old 1760-001 is not available anymore. I use the steel sleeves when I need to mount a sight out front of the breech on Crosman barrels. They can add support and cover the flat even without the sight if desired. I used a muzzle loader adjustable sight on this one. (http://)
The sleeve requires the "Disco breech" too if I remember right.
I use the sleeve on regular steel breeches as the set screw holds it just fine. The Disco breech front is inlet more and does let it set further inside though. If converting from plastic I would get the Disco breech and sleeve together from Crosman to use the Disco barrels.
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Mine will be here tomorrow 8)
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I just thought folks should know it will be there on top of a Disco barrel. I guess the old 1760-001 is not available anymore. I use the steel sleeves when I need to mount a sight out front of the breech on Crosman barrels. They can add support and cover the flat even without the sight if desired. I used a muzzle loader adjustable sight on this one. (http://)
The sleeve requires the "Disco breech" too if I remember right.
I use the sleeve on regular steel breeches as the set screw holds it just fine. The Disco breech front is inlet more and does let it set further inside though. If converting from plastic I would get the Disco breech and sleeve together from Crosman to use the Disco barrels.
I have no machining capabilities. Is it possible to DIY install a front sight on a 24" disco barrel to use the factory tombstone rear sight with the disco breech? I have a cordless 1/2" chuck drill and a "drill press" attachment, and that's the limit of my capabilities.
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DJ... I can answer a couple questions for you.
I was told that the 362 barrel is 22" by the Velocity Outdoor Engineer, John.
The muzzle end of the 24" barrel is the same as the muzzle end of the 22" barrel. What ever comes on the stock barrel wit fit on the 24".
The advantage of the steel breech is a couple layers deep. One being the dovetail grooves cut into it for mounting scopes, red dots or irons. The other being a solid connection to the lower tube and the barrel. The plastic breech will let the barrel rotate a bit back and forth. The only thing stopping it from completely spinning free is essentially the transfer port.
Now for the stock sight... It's a different monster than the steel breech. The plastic breech has a relief in it to accept the factory rear sight. I'm sure it can be rigged but there are after market options that are better.
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DJ... I can answer a couple questions for you.
I was told that the 362 barrel is 22" by the Velocity Outdoor Engineer, John.
The muzzle end of the 24" barrel is the same as the muzzle end of the 22" barrel. What ever comes on the stock barrel wit fit on the 24".
The advantage of the steel breech is a couple layers deep. One being the dovetail grooves cut into it for mounting scopes, red dots or irons. The other being a solid connection to the lower tube and the barrel. The plastic breech will let the barrel rotate a bit back and forth. The only thing stopping it from completely spinning free is essentially the transfer port.
Now for the stock sight... It's a different monster than the steel breech. The plastic breech has a relief in it to accept the factory rear sight. I'm sure it can be rigged but there are after market options that are better.
I like a round aperture on the rear sight close to the eye, I cut my teeth shooting at 300 yards with M16/M4 iron sights. The 362 rear sight looks pretty close to that, but I'm definitely open to aftermarket if the price is reasonable and the function is the same.
It sounds like the metal "Disco" breech is the way to go, is there a part number or a link for that? Is the 24" Disco barrel the longest option? I'm glad it will accept the hooded front sight, although I'm up for alternatives if there is something better.
Are there any other pumpers on the market that could sling a .22 cal 19 grain pellet accurately?
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DJ... I can answer a couple questions for you.
I was told that the 362 barrel is 22" by the Velocity Outdoor Engineer, John.
The muzzle end of the 24" barrel is the same as the muzzle end of the 22" barrel. What ever comes on the stock barrel wit fit on the 24".
The advantage of the steel breech is a couple layers deep. One being the dovetail grooves cut into it for mounting scopes, red dots or irons. The other being a solid connection to the lower tube and the barrel. The plastic breech will let the barrel rotate a bit back and forth. The only thing stopping it from completely spinning free is essentially the transfer port.
Now for the stock sight... It's a different monster than the steel breech. The plastic breech has a relief in it to accept the factory rear sight. I'm sure it can be rigged but there are after market options that are better.
I like a round aperture on the rear sight close to the eye, I cut my teeth shooting at 300 yards with M16/M4 iron sights. The 362 rear sight looks pretty close to that, but I'm definitely open to aftermarket if the price is reasonable and the function is the same.
It sounds like the metal "Disco" breech is the way to go, is there a part number or a link for that? Is the 24" Disco barrel the longest option? I'm glad it will accept the hooded front sight, although I'm up for alternatives if there is something better.
Are there any other pumpers on the market that could sling a .22 cal 19 grain pellet accurately?
The Disco breech is part #1761-019 I don't know if it is still available. This pic is from the parts diagram.
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DJ... I can answer a couple questions for you.
I was told that the 362 barrel is 22" by the Velocity Outdoor Engineer, John.
The muzzle end of the 24" barrel is the same as the muzzle end of the 22" barrel. What ever comes on the stock barrel wit fit on the 24".
The advantage of the steel breech is a couple layers deep. One being the dovetail grooves cut into it for mounting scopes, red dots or irons. The other being a solid connection to the lower tube and the barrel. The plastic breech will let the barrel rotate a bit back and forth. The only thing stopping it from completely spinning free is essentially the transfer port.
Now for the stock sight... It's a different monster than the steel breech. The plastic breech has a relief in it to accept the factory rear sight. I'm sure it can be rigged but there are after market options that are better.
I like a round aperture on the rear sight close to the eye, I cut my teeth shooting at 300 yards with M16/M4 iron sights. The 362 rear sight looks pretty close to that, but I'm definitely open to aftermarket if the price is reasonable and the function is the same.
It sounds like the metal "Disco" breech is the way to go, is there a part number or a link for that? Is the 24" Disco barrel the longest option? I'm glad it will accept the hooded front sight, although I'm up for alternatives if there is something better.
Are there any other pumpers on the market that could sling a .22 cal 19 grain pellet accurately?
The only metal breech I know of that will accept the stock sight is the Baker Airguns aluminum black anodized one. The Disco breech does not have the cut out at the back but can use groove mounted rear sights notch or peep styles like the Williams brand ones for .22 rimfire guns. The regular Crosman steel breech is dovetailed for the LPA notch type rear sight. Don't think LPA has a peep style.
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DJ... I can answer a couple questions for you.
I was told that the 362 barrel is 22" by the Velocity Outdoor Engineer, John.
The muzzle end of the 24" barrel is the same as the muzzle end of the 22" barrel. What ever comes on the stock barrel wit fit on the 24".
The advantage of the steel breech is a couple layers deep. One being the dovetail grooves cut into it for mounting scopes, red dots or irons. The other being a solid connection to the lower tube and the barrel. The plastic breech will let the barrel rotate a bit back and forth. The only thing stopping it from completely spinning free is essentially the transfer port.
Now for the stock sight... It's a different monster than the steel breech. The plastic breech has a relief in it to accept the factory rear sight. I'm sure it can be rigged but there are after market options that are better.
I like a round aperture on the rear sight close to the eye, I cut my teeth shooting at 300 yards with M16/M4 iron sights. The 362 rear sight looks pretty close to that, but I'm definitely open to aftermarket if the price is reasonable and the function is the same.
It sounds like the metal "Disco" breech is the way to go, is there a part number or a link for that? Is the 24" Disco barrel the longest option? I'm glad it will accept the hooded front sight, although I'm up for alternatives if there is something better.
Are there any other pumpers on the market that could sling a .22 cal 19 grain pellet accurately?
The only metal breech I know of that will accept the stock sight is the Baker Airguns aluminum black anodized one. The Disco breech does not have the cut out at the back but can use groove mounted rear sights like the Williams brand ones for .22 rimfire guns. The regular Crosman steel breech is dovetailed for the LPA notch type rear sight. Don't think LPA has a peep style.
Will something like this work with the metal breech or disco breech? I'll also look at the Baker Airguns breech.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WILLIAMS-REAR-DIOPTER-PEEP-SIGHT-5D-AG-for-11-MM-DOVETAIL-for-CROSMAN-and-others/292090665340 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/WILLIAMS-REAR-DIOPTER-PEEP-SIGHT-5D-AG-for-11-MM-DOVETAIL-for-CROSMAN-and-others/292090665340)
I see that the disco breech is not really an option.
So it's between the baker airgun and the Crosman steel breech, which is better? I mostly want something durable and long lasting. I don't like the sound of the way the barrel is mounted in the composite setup.
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DJ, that sight you linked will work on any breech that has the dovetail grooves... basically all steel breeches for this Crosman platform. That Ebay seller is GTA member Davio. His online store is Alchemy Airwerks. He's a great guy... ;)
To answer another question of yours.... there is a 26" barrel but I can't remember which gun or the part number for it. I think someone mentioned it in this or one of the other 362 threads.
I actually considered the 26" barrel but decided I didn't want that much barrel hanging out there.
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DJ, that sight you linked will work on any breech that has the dovetail grooves... basically all steel breeches for this Crosman platform. That Ebay seller is GTA member Davio. His online store is Alchemy Airwerks. He's a great guy... ;)
To answer another question of yours.... there is a 26" barrel but I can't remember which gun or the part number for it. I think someone mentioned it in this or one of the other 362 threads.
I actually considered the 26" barrel but decided I didn't want that much barrel hanging out there.
I figure if I'm going for a long barrel, might as well go really long. Then I can swap the original back if I want something shorter.
Is this the correct "breech kit"? https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22 (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22)
If not, can you link the correct one? I'm going to snoop around and see if I can find the 26" barrel as well.
Would you say the anodized Baker Airgun aluminum breech is any better or worse than the Crosman steel breech? I love aluminum and would prefer that if it's just as good in quality. Plus the ability to use the factory peep is kind of nice, then I could get the fancy Williams sight later on.
Edit 2: I just stumbled upon the Magnum Air Power eBay store. This is a deep rabbit hole for a person like me who likes to tinker with stuff. How hard is a valve swap on a pumper? I assume there aren't any aftermarket valves out for the c362 yet.
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I love the Baker breech because is so light weight, but it has the stock sight cutout that is larger than the steel ones making it harder to mount the rail mount type peep sight you linked. The Disco has no cut out just grooved all the way back and the regular steel breech has a smaller dovetail that allow mounting at the back better with a peep.
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DJ, that sight you linked will work on any breech that has the dovetail grooves... basically all steel breeches for this Crosman platform. That Ebay seller is GTA member Davio. His online store is Alchemy Airwerks. He's a great guy... ;)
To answer another question of yours.... there is a 26" barrel but I can't remember which gun or the part number for it. I think someone mentioned it in this or one of the other 362 threads.
I actually considered the 26" barrel but decided I didn't want that much barrel hanging out there.
I figure if I'm going for a long barrel, might as well go really long. Then I can swap the original back if I want something shorter.
Is this the correct "breech kit"? https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22 (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22)
If not, can you link the correct one? I'm going to snoop around and see if I can find the 26" barrel as well.
Would you say the anodized Baker Airgun aluminum breech is any better or worse than the Crosman steel breech? I love aluminum and would prefer that if it's just as good in quality. Plus the ability to use the factory peep is kind of nice, then I could get the fancy Williams sight later on.
Edit 2: I just stumbled upon the Magnum Air Power eBay store. This is a deep rabbit hole for a person like me who likes to tinker with stuff. How hard is a valve swap on a pumper? I assume there aren't any aftermarket valves out for the c362 yet.
Hold up...
These barrel we have been discussing are .177 barrels. If you plan to swap back and forth between .177 and stock .22 you'll need to have a bolt of each size as well.
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DJ, that sight you linked will work on any breech that has the dovetail grooves... basically all steel breeches for this Crosman platform. That Ebay seller is GTA member Davio. His online store is Alchemy Airwerks. He's a great guy... ;)
To answer another question of yours.... there is a 26" barrel but I can't remember which gun or the part number for it. I think someone mentioned it in this or one of the other 362 threads.
I actually considered the 26" barrel but decided I didn't want that much barrel hanging out there.
I figure if I'm going for a long barrel, might as well go really long. Then I can swap the original back if I want something shorter.
Is this the correct "breech kit"? https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22 (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22)
If not, can you link the correct one? I'm going to snoop around and see if I can find the 26" barrel as well.
Would you say the anodized Baker Airgun aluminum breech is any better or worse than the Crosman steel breech? I love aluminum and would prefer that if it's just as good in quality. Plus the ability to use the factory peep is kind of nice, then I could get the fancy Williams sight later on.
Edit 2: I just stumbled upon the Magnum Air Power eBay store. This is a deep rabbit hole for a person like me who likes to tinker with stuff. How hard is a valve swap on a pumper? I assume there aren't any aftermarket valves out for the c362 yet.
Hold up...
These barrel we have been discussing are .177 barrels. If you plan to swap back and forth between .177 and stock .22 you'll need to have a bolt of each size as well.
I was going to get a 26" .22 barrel. I'm not interested in .177, we have too much constant wind and they get blown around too easily.
I love the Baker breech because is so light weight, but it has the stock sight cutout that is larger than the steel ones making it harder to mount the rail mount type peep sight you linked. The Disco has no cut out and the regular steel breech has a smaller dovetail that allow mounting at the back better with a peep.
I take it the Williams sight is probably the best on the market? Is it impossible to mount the Williams to the aluminum breech? I know you said it was difficult, but I don't mind some filing.
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The Baker has just a little bit of groove at the rear to catch the groove in the sight. It should be able to catch the base there, but I have not tried it. You need a smaller head bolt than this one or countersink one to slide the sight over it. Don't know if that sight would fit over the flat for the stock type sight. (http://)
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The Baker has just a little bit of groove at the rear to catch the groove in the sight. It should be able to catch the base there, but I have not tried it. You need a smaller head bolt than this one or countersink one to slide the sight over it. Don't know if that sight would fit over the flat for the stock type sight. (http://)
Thanks, now I see why it probably won't work out. I guess if I get a 362 I'll stick with the factory setup for a while and decide if the steel breech is worth it to use the Williams sight. It comes out to almost the price of the whole rifle to go with the steel breech and the Williams sight.
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The Baker has just a little bit of groove at the rear to catch the groove in the sight. It should be able to catch the base there, but I have not tried it. You need a smaller head bolt than this one or countersink one to slide the sight over it. Don't know if that sight would fit over the flat for the stock type sight. (http://)
Thanks, now I see why it probably won't work out. I guess if I get a 362 I'll stick with the factory setup for a while and decide if the steel breech is worth it to use the Williams sight. It comes out to almost the price of the whole rifle to go with the steel breech and the Williams sight.
This is true.
If I did not already have the steel breech along with the other things, besides the $25 barrel, to do what I want to do with this gun I would not be interested in it at all.
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The Baker has just a little bit of groove at the rear to catch the groove in the sight. It should be able to catch the base there, but I have not tried it. You need a smaller head bolt than this one or countersink one to slide the sight over it. Don't know if that sight would fit over the flat for the stock type sight. (http://)
Thanks, now I see why it probably won't work out. I guess if I get a 362 I'll stick with the factory setup for a while and decide if the steel breech is worth it to use the Williams sight. It comes out to almost the price of the whole rifle to go with the steel breech and the Williams sight.
This is true.
If I did not already have the steel breech along with the other things, besides the $25 barrel, to do what I want to do with this gun I would not be interested in it at all.
I have no experience with the Crosman "lego" guns, so there is appeal to me in that way. Even with just a quick google search I found a ton of 26" Crosman Maximus/Disco barrels that will fit the 362. Crosman is like the Mazda of the airgun world, huge aftermarket and factory support for competitive shooters. Just like Mazda/Mazdaspeed supporting grassroots racers through discounts on performance parts and the Miata having a huge aftermarket following.
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The Baker has just a little bit of groove at the rear to catch the groove in the sight. It should be able to catch the base there, but I have not tried it. You need a smaller head bolt than this one or countersink one to slide the sight over it. Don't know if that sight would fit over the flat for the stock type sight. (http://)
Thanks, now I see why it probably won't work out. I guess if I get a 362 I'll stick with the factory setup for a while and decide if the steel breech is worth it to use the Williams sight. It comes out to almost the price of the whole rifle to go with the steel breech and the Williams sight.
If you like the stock sight the Baker Breech and stock sight would be the most cost effective. It holds the barrel sturdy if you want to use a scope too.
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i am watching all of what every body is saying about the 362 i dont have any money right now but its going to be my next pumper thanks keep the info coming
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Every time I look up parts for the 362 I find another source of upgrade parts for the Crosman 13/22 series guns. What else is compatible besides the breech and barrels?
What is the advantage of going with a LW barrel?
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Thanks, now I see why it probably won't work out. I guess if I get a 362 I'll stick with the factory setup for a while and decide if the steel breech is worth it to use the Williams sight. It comes out to almost the price of the whole rifle to go with the steel breech and the Williams sight.
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DJ... I have a spare Williams sight that I don't need but it is a notch sight, not a peep sight. Based on what Van is saying, you would have to use a Crosman steel breach in order to use it. If that is the direction you really want to go, you can have this Williams sight. ;)
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Thanks, now I see why it probably won't work out. I guess if I get a 362 I'll stick with the factory setup for a while and decide if the steel breech is worth it to use the Williams sight. It comes out to almost the price of the whole rifle to go with the steel breech and the Williams sight.
DJ... I have a spare Williams sight that I don't need but it is a notch sight, not a peep sight. Based on what Van is saying, you would have to use a Crosman steel breach in order to use it. If that is the direction you really want to go, you can have this Williams sight. ;)
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I appreciate the offer, but I do not care for the notch/open sight style. I prefer a peep/diopter/iris type. Due to being a bit of a miser I've yet to place my order for the c362.
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Every time I look up parts for the 362 I find another source of upgrade parts for the Crosman 13/22 series guns. What else is compatible besides the breech and barrels?
What is the advantage of going with a LW barrel?
LW barrels have much better accuracy. They are choked and have more lands and grooves. Unfortunately, they do not offer one longer than 14.5" that I have ever seen so you would not be able to get one for the 362. It is hard to say what all is compatible for sure without tearing the 362 down to its bones. So far it looks like the breach, bolt, barrel, TP and TP seal, and sear are all from the 13xx platform but until Crosman adds the EVP to their website... there is no telling? ;)
You are welcome on the sight offer. ;)
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Well, I just ordered a .25 cal wadcutter mold from a fellow forum member. Now I'm thinking about ordering a 362 and converting it to .25 cal like some of the others here. The mold I just bought should drop 14-ish grain pellets in pure tin, and the 362 should easily be able to crack 700 FPS with such a pellet.
Are there any long barrel options for .25 cal? I saw some threads where a few members converted their new 362's.
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I've got the NOE 22gr wadcutter mold. I've never tried casting with pure tin though. Might try it.
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The .25 barrel I'm planning to use is around 19 inches. I need to pull it back out of the breech for a good measurement.
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The engineer said the barrel is 22" long. Is that 19" going to be long enough to reach the barrel band?
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The engineer said the barrel is 22" long. Is that 19" going to be long enough to reach the barrel band?
I dunno for sure. Somebody posted some measurements a few days ago and I remember thinking it would. Not sure what thread it was in.
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Yeah I saw that, and he stepped in and said it was 22". It's in one of these threads.
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Yeah I saw that, and he stepped in and said it was 22". It's in one of these threads.
page 3...
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=194637.40 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=194637.40)
21-1/4" from plug end to plug end on the pump tube... posted by Mark.
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question about the barrel band...
is the barrel friction fit or is there a set screw? I like how Crosman used a through bolt and recessed nut to hold it together rather than a spring pin but curious if also compresses the barrel band around the barrel preventing barrel movement?
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The engineer said the barrel is 22" long. Is that 19" going to be long enough to reach the barrel band?
[/quotThe engineer said the barrel is 22" long. Is that 19" going to be long enough to reach the barrel band?
There is 3 1/2 or so of barrel past the band so 19 would be about minium to go.
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question about the barrel band...
is the barrel friction fit or is there a set screw? I like how Crosman used a through bolt and recessed nut to hold it together rather than a spring pin but curious if also compresses the barrel band around the barrel preventing barrel movement?
The 362 has a set screw on top.
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question about the barrel band...
is the barrel friction fit or is there a set screw? I like how Crosman used a through bolt and recessed nut to hold it together rather than a spring pin but curious if also compresses the barrel band around the barrel preventing barrel movement?
[/quotequestion about the barrel band...
is the barrel friction fit or is there a set screw? I like how Crosman used a through bolt and recessed nut to hold it together rather than a spring pin but curious if also compresses the barrel band around the barrel preventing barrel movement?
There is a tiny set screw on top, the .05 mm same as breach screw, I already replaced my plastic breach's screw with the fancy aftermarket one. I feel better with it in there .
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thanks fella's and thanks for the pic . ;D
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I measured 18 inches from breach to just after barrel clamp 22 cal. 21 inch barrel
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Received tracking this morning... ETA is Thursday via UPS.
No tracking on the barrel from Crosman and brass trigger from Baker yet.
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Mine is loaded on the truck for delivery right now 8)
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It's all good... I won't have time to play with it until Saturday anyhow. Maybe the barrel and trigger will arrive by then too. If not I'll just gather some base numbers to compare to after the upgrades.
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Ordered mine this morning, and it looks like they didn't charge sales tax. I'm not in a rush either. I might have a chance to play with it by the end of next week.
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good morning.. just to clarify... the barrel is 21" not 22".
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Ordered mine this morning, and it looks like they didn't charge sales tax. I'm not in a rush either. I might have a chance to play with it by the end of next week.
Ed they do for Michigan, probably different for whichever state you're in ???
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The .25 barrel I'm planning to use is around 19 inches. I need to pull it back out of the breech for a good measurement.
Where did you source the barrel? Is it one of those Baker Airguns barrels that are no longer available?
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;D 8) Found my scope mounts, 10m 5 shot groups, 7 pumps, Air Arms 16 gr. Pellet in the hole is .30 cal. Bad scattered target to the right is from my home cast wad cutters @ 7 pumps, but they settled in with 4 pumps. Next up is see how Poly-Mags fly.
BTW the scope is a UTG 4-16 x 40, about a 14 oz. scope, seems to be holding true with the Buck Rail 3D Printed Mounts, I did go and snug them up after about 30 shots and they were still good, but figured an extra re torque would not be a bad idea.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8408)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8407)
Would you be so kind as to post a link to the scope mount, please?
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The .25 barrel I'm planning to use is around 19 inches. I need to pull it back out of the breech for a good measurement.
Where did you source the barrel? Is it one of those Baker Airguns barrels that are no longer available?
I got mine from Alchemy Airwerks.
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The .25 barrel I'm planning to use is around 19 inches. I need to pull it back out of the breech for a good measurement.
Where did you source the barrel? Is it one of those Baker Airguns barrels that are no longer available?
I got mine from Alchemy Airwerks.
I excitedly searched for the website, but can't find any barrels. Maybe I'll just stick with alloy or non lead .22 cal pellets for my hypothetical 362. I ordered 2lbs of pure tin from Metal Shipper, so I'll be finding out eventually.
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The .25 barrel I'm planning to use is around 19 inches. I need to pull it back out of the breech for a good measurement.
Where did you source the barrel? Is it one of those Baker Airguns barrels that are no longer available?
I got mine from Alchemy Airwerks.
I excitedly searched for the website, but can't find any barrels. Maybe I'll just stick with alloy or non lead pellets for my hypothetical 362. I ordered 2lbs of pure tin from Metal Shipper, so I'll be finding out eventually.
Mine wasn't listed on the website. Give David a call or send him a message through the website. He's a great guy.
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The .25 barrel I'm planning to use is around 19 inches. I need to pull it back out of the breech for a good measurement.
Where did you source the barrel? Is it one of those Baker Airguns barrels that are no longer available?
I got mine from Alchemy Airwerks.
I excitedly searched for the website, but can't find any barrels. Maybe I'll just stick with alloy or non lead pellets for my hypothetical 362. I ordered 2lbs of pure tin from Metal Shipper, so I'll be finding out eventually.
Mine wasn't listed on the website. Give David a call or send him a message through the website. He's a great guy.
He is also a GTA member by the screen name 'Davio'.
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The .25 barrel I'm planning to use is around 19 inches. I need to pull it back out of the breech for a good measurement.
Where did you source the barrel? Is it one of those Baker Airguns barrels that are no longer available?
I got mine from Alchemy Airwerks.
I excitedly searched for the website, but can't find any barrels. Maybe I'll just stick with alloy or non lead pellets for my hypothetical 362. I ordered 2lbs of pure tin from Metal Shipper, so I'll be finding out eventually.
Mine wasn't listed on the website. Give David a call or send him a message through the website. He's a great guy.
I assume you also need a .25 cal bolt/probe, is that something they offer as well?
Edit: I just fired off an email, hopefully I'll find out soon.
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I've dealt with Alchemy Airwerks before and was always very happy with the results, I think they're based in England but they might have stuff here in the U.S. too I don't really know for sure.
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I've dealt with Alchemy Airwerks before and was always very happy with the results, I think they're based in England but they might have stuff here in the U.S. too I don't really know for sure.
The contact address is listed as Georgia.
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I bought a stainless probe for my PP700SA, that was made in England by Alchemy and that's where it came from but that's when the PP700SA first came out.
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I think that's a different animal Wayne.... Davio is from here in the US.
He is also needfulthings on Ebay.
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Alchemy is located a couple of hours south of me here in Georgia. David told me I could use a .22 bolt with a couple of wraps of dental floss under the o-ring. My barrel is turned down to work with a standard crosman steel breech.
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What about the tray/trough/groove in the breech? Any modding needed there?
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What about the tray/trough/groove in the breech? Any modding needed there?
Seems to work fine as is. I've got my barrel and breech mounted on my 2250 hpa conversion right now and I haven't had any issues with pellets feeding. I searched through my o-ring collection and found one that was a little fatter and slapped it on a 22 bolt. This gun is set up for low power but it's working so far.
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I may wait for more people to convert to .25 cal and post their output numbers before I take the plunge. I'm still thinking hard about placing my order from Crosman. David emailed me and said he only does 18" .25 cal barrels and said you do need the Crosman steel breech. I asked if he could get longer barrels and all he said was "No"
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I may wait for more people to convert to .25 cal and post their output numbers before I take the plunge. I'm still thinking hard about placing my order from Crosman. David emailed me and said he only does 18" .25 cal barrels and said you do need the Crosman steel breech. I asked if he could get longer barrels and all he said was "No"
My barrel came from him, and it's definitely longer than 18 inches if you include the part that's inside the breech and the threaded muzzle.
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I may wait for more people to convert to .25 cal and post their output numbers before I take the plunge. I'm still thinking hard about placing my order from Crosman. David emailed me and said he only does 18" .25 cal barrels and said you do need the Crosman steel breech. I asked if he could get longer barrels and all he said was "No"
My barrel came from him, and it's definitely longer than 18 inches if you include the part that's inside the breech and the threaded muzzle.
I mainly worry about losing power from losing the barrel length. Every few hours I keep looking at the c362 on the Crosman website, so I can feel that I'm close to committing to an order.
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Alchemy is located a couple of hours south of me here in Georgia. David told me I could use a .22 bolt with a couple of wraps of dental floss under the o-ring. My barrel is turned down to work with a standard crosman steel breech.
I had good results on .25 cal. LW barrels using a Crosman .22cal bolt with a slightly larger O ring in metric size 2x2.5mm. It passed the tissue test with no leaks. The floss works under the stock O ring too if you get the wraps just right under the O ring.
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I may wait for more people to convert to .25 cal and post their output numbers before I take the plunge. I'm still thinking hard about placing my order from Crosman. David emailed me and said he only does 18" .25 cal barrels and said you do need the Crosman steel breech. I asked if he could get longer barrels and all he said was "No"
My barrel came from him, and it's definitely longer than 18 inches if you include the part that's inside the breech and the threaded muzzle.
I mainly worry about losing power from losing the barrel length. Every few hours I keep looking at the c362 on the Crosman website, so I can feel that I'm close to committing to an order.
I hope to be able to post some results with mine by the end of next week. It all hinges on how much care my wife needs when we get home from the hospital. I ordered this morning so hopefully it will be here early next week.
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Mr. Baker sent me a tracking number for the brass trigger but, it's not in the system just yet.
Looks like we're making progress.
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Anyone know the length of the 362 compression tube? I have been using 17" ones from the Crosman 2200 when I build a pumper and wondered if the new 362 ones are longer.
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It's fun to watch you guys mod the C362 for a 177 barrel. Will be interested in the results. For me, it's too much work and I have a Maximus in 177 that happens to be a good shooter, more than accurate enough for me. My C362 is supposed to arrive around the 14th.
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C362 compression tube is 20.62" long
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It's fun to watch you guys mod the C362 for a 177 barrel. Will be interested in the results. For me, it's too much work and I have a Maximus in 177 that happens to be a good shooter, more than accurate enough for me. My C362 is supposed to arrive around the 14th.
LOL.... no fair... that's not a pumper. Probably my most accurate .177 is the BSA Buccaneer.
My most accurate .177 pumper is most likely a vintage m/m Daisy 880.
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C362 compression tube is 20.62" long
Thanks John. In .25cal. with 20.06g pellet it takes 14 pumps on the 17" 2200 tube with flattop piston set up to get 615fps. The extra 3.62" should take less pumps to get over 600fps. Hope they have these tubes available later on the parts diagram or I will have to get the gun to modify to a .25cal.
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I got mine, I took a couple 3 pump shots adjusted the windage a little and it seems right on the money, I do like the peep sight that's on it. I may not even put a scope on this gun because really I probably won't need a scope at 20 yards, the gun is really light too. It seems to like my wad cutters but I haven't had it up in the attic yet. First I'll do some chronograph shots with it, probably 3, 5 and 8 pumps.
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I got mine, I took a couple 3 pump shots adjusted the windage a little and it seems right on the money, I do like the peep sight that's on it. I may not even put a scope on this gun because really I probably won't need a scope at 20 yards, the gun is really light too. It seems to like my wad cutters but I haven't had it up in the attic yet. First I'll do some chronograph shots with it, probably 3, 5 and 8 pumps.
I look forward to seeing your results. Perhaps they will be what makes up my mind on ordering one.
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Just measuring quick with the tape measure I'd have to say the barrel is really close to 21" 8)
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Nice review from hardairmagazine w/ muzzle energy & velocity curves.
"Crosman 362 Muzzle Energy – 15 Ft/Lbs For A $99 Gun!"
see attachments.
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Right out of the box shooting my cast wad cutters.
(https://i.imgur.com/O9pcl3V.jpg)
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Pretty impressive Wayne.
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hardair got 500 fps with 14g at 4 pumps!?!?! That sounds awesome to me.
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Shooting pure lead pellets seal much better in the bore, it does make a difference.
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Looks like Crosman got this one right for the most part. Can't wait to start swappin parts on mine. ;D
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Right out of the box shooting my cast wad cutters.
Very, very nice !!!
wll
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Later I might do some of my 19.6 grainers, right now I'm making cigs, had to make an early run to the tobacco shot right when they opened to make sure I got back in time, as it ends up I didn't have to sign squat when he brought it.
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Later I might do some of my 19.6 grainers, right now I'm making cigs, had to make an early run to the tobacco shot right when they opened to make sure I got back in time, as it ends up I didn't have to sign squat when he brought it.
I would have ordered one last week if I knew for sure I wouldn't have to sign for it.
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Shooting pure lead pellets seal much better in the bore, it does make a difference.
I'm casting my wadcutters with pure lead and powder coating them. I always air cool too, so they should be nice and soft.
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Years back that's what they used for pellets was pure lead even then Crosman did too I think, now days they're really hard pellets but they don't corrode fast like pure lead does.
(https://i.imgur.com/yNEfFlk.jpg)
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Betty Lou nor I have ever had to sign regardless of what they say. But we are a small rural area and we know all of our delivery people. It may be different in a more populated setting. I've even had them put a package inside a truck cab in the carport when the weather was bad. They left a note where to find it.
Rambo and Boss love our delivery drivers, they bring them treats when they are out.
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I haven't even opened the package the tin came in yet, it says 13.7 grains, that's lame for a .22 if you ask me. ???
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Betty Lou nor I have ever had to sign regardless of what they say. But we are a small rural area and we know all of our delivery people. It may be different in a more populated setting. I've even had them put a package inside a truck cab in the carport when the weather was bad. They left a note where to find it.
Rambo and Boss love our delivery drivers, they bring them treats when they are out.
Wayne, they don't corrode if you powder coat them either.
We're rural too, but our old UPS driver retired and now we never know who will be on the truck. We know our postal carrier and FedEx guy though.
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Years back that's what they used for pellets was pure lead even then Crosman did too I think, now days they're really hard pellets but they don't corrode fast like pure lead does.
(https://i.imgur.com/yNEfFlk.jpg)
I really want that mold.
Hopefully my c362 and tin of pellets shows up in the next few weeks. Maybe my pure tin will show up around the same time.
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DJ, you didn't get tracking yet? I order Saturday and got tracking today. It will be here Thursday.
Check your junk mail.
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I ordered mine Friday morning and got it today, four days and a few hours, very fast shipping for sure.
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I placed the order an hour and a half ago, so I am not expecting it to ship until tomorrow at the soonest. It just takes things a long time to get to where I live. Even before the plague "prime two day shipping" was more like four day shipping.
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Tracking shows arrival on Thursday by 9:00 PM. I also ordered a set of Buck Rail Crosman Scope Mounts, I'll put the Alpha 6 on her and see what she really has in her! :o
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Mine is scheduled to be here tomorrow between 2pm and 4pm. ;D
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I just went up in the attic and did a couple three shot groups and I'm definitely happy with these at 30ft with open sights, I was sitting on an old lawn rocker resting on top of one of those small refrigerators with a box on top, I probably should have done a live video of it however I just flat out didn't feel like dragging more up there than I needed to. I may do that tomorrow though. I guess that I tweeked those sights pretty darned close though. 8)
(https://i.imgur.com/3xtXFMB.jpg)
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;D 8) Found my scope mounts, 10m 5 shot groups, 7 pumps, Air Arms 16 gr. Pellet in the hole is .30 cal. Bad scattered target to the right is from my home cast wad cutters @ 7 pumps, but they settled in with 4 pumps. Next up is see how Poly-Mags fly.
BTW the scope is a UTG 4-16 x 40, about a 14 oz. scope, seems to be holding true with the Buck Rail 3D Printed Mounts, I did go and snug them up after about 30 shots and they were still good, but figured an extra re torque would not be a bad idea.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8408)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8407)
Would you be so kind as to post a link to the scope mount, please?
[/quote ;D 8) Found my scope mounts, 10m 5 shot groups, 7 pumps, Air Arms 16 gr. Pellet in the hole is .30 cal. Bad scattered target to the right is from my home cast wad cutters @ 7 pumps, but they settled in with 4 pumps. Next up is see how Poly-Mags fly.
BTW the scope is a UTG 4-16 x 40, about a 14 oz. scope, seems to be holding true with the Buck Rail 3D Printed Mounts, I did go and snug them up after about 30 shots and they were still good, but figured an extra re torque would not be a bad idea.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8408)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8407)
Would you be so kind as to post a link to the scope mount, please?
I just went to the site, loks like they are sold out ATM, maybe shoot them an email as to when back in stock ?
https://buck-rail.com/ (https://buck-rail.com/)
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I must have gotten the last one, my purchase went through. ;D
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As long as it was not this Benj Sheridan setup you should be golden, https://buck-rail.com/product/benjamin-sheridan-combo-scope-mounts/ I imagine they can be printed up quickly, my other thought was they were short on stainless screws.
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I got the 1377 mount:
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Looks like they are not showing out of stock now.
I have a Baker aluminum breach on order for mine but I received the Benjamin Sheridan mounts for my Blue Streak on Monday. I installed a pistol scope in scout position and I can shoot it now.
I really like Buck rails products. I have a moderator ordered for my 362 which should be here by the end of the week. Tracking is not telling me much yet.
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My C362 will arrive Thursday. It was held up in Syracuse N.Y. this past weekend for 3 day's for ...alleged...weather conditions....
My Prediction: UPS employee's will have opened the box its in and were playing with it, shooting it all weekend. Somebody else's order is likely now missing a tin or two of pellets.
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My 362 order went through, or at least they are billing my bank account. I don't expect to see it till some time next week, but I haven't gotten tracking info either.
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My 362 order went through, or at least they are billing my bank account. I don't expect to see it till some time next week, but I haven't gotten tracking info either.
My bank account was debited too. Still no tracking number, but I didn't order until yesterday morning. I can't do anything with it until sometime next week anyway.
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One thing else I think I'm going to do with this gun that I have never done before...
I happen to have 2 Pro Chrono Digitals. After sighting in and assuring myself that I can repeat some safe groups, I'm going to set one of the PCDs at the muzzle, as I normally do, and the other downrange at the target. Probably just 25yds out just to get some true data. If things go well and I don't shoot the darn thing, I may stretch it out some more. That's after I get the barrel seasoned in and the gun settled down.
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I've done that and I put a brick in front of my screen. I didn't hit it, but it gave me peace of mind.
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I have a hunk of 3/8 poly glass I could use.
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Looks like they are not showing out of stock now.
I have a Baker aluminum breach on order for mine but I received the Benjamin Sheridan mounts for my Blue Streak on Monday. I installed a pistol scope in scout position and I can shoot it now.
I really like Buck rails products. I have a moderator ordered for my 362 which should be here by the end of the week. Tracking is not telling me much yet.
This one from Baker?
https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/aluminum-anodized-black-receivers/ (https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/aluminum-anodized-black-receivers/)
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Yup, I have one on my 1322.
never had a steel breech to compare it to.
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Looks REALLY good to me due to the left hand bolt. Back a few years, I got a precision rifle for cheap but it was a lefty, from a rest, it was twice as fast to cycle with my left hand (I never took my finger "off the trigger") and I just loved it. This would be a great opportunity for me and also allows my boys (lefty's) to shoot with me.
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How would that benefit if you still have to pump the gun and load a pellet between shots?
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Tracking says my gun just left Atlanta and will be delivered tomorrow.
The barrel is ready for ups pickup at Crosman and should be here Monday.
Plenty of time to get some stock data before the changes.
The way it looks right now, I will have a 5day weekend beginning Friday - Tuesday.
Looks like I'll have time to revisit several guns that have been neglected since my foray into PCP.
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How would that benefit if you still have to pump the gun and load a pellet between shots?
As I wrote, "I just loved it. This would be a great opportunity for me and also allows my boys (lefty's) to shoot with me."
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UPS lost contact w/ my C362 in East Syracuse N.Y. . They say to contact the sender about their replacement policy for the air rifle THEY lost. Which I did.
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UPS lost contact w/ my C362 in East Syracuse N.Y. . They say to contact the sender about their replacement policy for the air rifle THEY lost. Which I did.
I still don't have a tracking number on mine. I was hoping to have it before the end of next week.
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UPS lost contact w/ my C362 in East Syracuse N.Y. . They say to contact the sender about their replacement policy for the air rifle THEY lost. Which I did.
I still don't have a tracking number on mine. I was hoping to have it before the end of next week.
I'm starting to think we have "pre-ordered" our rifles.
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UPS lost contact w/ my C362 in East Syracuse N.Y. . They say to contact the sender about their replacement policy for the air rifle THEY lost. Which I did.
I still don't have a tracking number on mine. I was hoping to have it before the end of next week.
I'm starting to think we have "pre-ordered" our rifles.
I hope not but you're probably right.
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I'm beginning to regret not paying a few dollars more and getting it from Pyramyd or Airgun Depot. It was in stock both places when I ordered from Crosman.
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Update...
My gun is on the truck for delivery today.
The trigger is scheduled to deliver Saturday.
The barrel is scheduled for delivery Monday.
Tomorrow begins a 5 day mini vacation from work so it looks like I will have plenty of time to tinker before returning to work on Wednesday.
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UPS lost contact w/ my C362 in East Syracuse N.Y. . They say to contact the sender about their replacement policy for the air rifle THEY lost. Which I did.
I still don't have a tracking number on mine. I was hoping to have it before the end of next week.
I'm starting to think we have "pre-ordered" our rifles.
I think you are probably OK.
I ordered mine Saturday night and it is arriving today. I received a shipment notification Monday i believe and tracking became active on Tuesday, only receiving an ETA this morning.
I had placed several assorted orders last week, different vendors and big three shippers plus DHL, All were a day or so late and all tracking info was garbage. Weird.
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I'm not in a hurry to receive the rifle. The weather hasn't been great for shooting so I've been working on school work and had plenty of snow removal work lately. I was just glad to get the price locked in at $100 shipped.
Are the included pellets pure lead? At the very least they will be a cheap way to break in the barrel and chronograph some pellets. I have a few hundred JSB/CPUM 14.3's with bent skirts for that purpose as well.
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I ordered mine around 7 am Tuesday and I haven't received tracking yet.
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I'm not in a hurry to receive the rifle. The weather hasn't been great for shooting so I've been working on school work and had plenty of snow removal work lately. I was just glad to get the price locked in at $100 shipped.
Are the included pellets pure lead? At the very least they will be a cheap way to break in the barrel and chronograph some pellets. I have a few hundred JSB/CPUM 14.3's with bent skirts for that purpose as well.
I shoot cast in .25 and .22, so I'll just melt them down if they're junk. If they are an alloy, I use them in my PB blend.
I'm off until Monday after next so I was hoping to get it by the middle of next week. It could still happen, but I I guess.
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I'm not in a hurry to receive the rifle. The weather hasn't been great for shooting so I've been working on school work and had plenty of snow removal work lately. I was just glad to get the price locked in at $100 shipped.
Are the included pellets pure lead? At the very least they will be a cheap way to break in the barrel and chronograph some pellets. I have a few hundred JSB/CPUM 14.3's with bent skirts for that purpose as well.
I shoot cast in .25 and .22, so I'll just melt them down if they're junk. If they are an alloy, I use them in my PB blend.
I'm off until Monday after next so I was hoping to get it by the middle of next week. It could still happen, but I I guess.
I mostly shoot cast NOE .22 cal hunters and have the .25 41 FN mold. A few days ago I bought a .25 NOE wadcutter mold from a fellow GTA member. The weather hasn't been great for casting or shooting, but I'm hoping to get a few nice days soon.
No PB stuff here, so alloy pellets just become chrono/break in fodder. A few H&N .177 Barracudas made it into the last casting session, but I don't think they made a big difference pouring a pound of lead.
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Update to the update....
A very strong rumor has it (defined as a rumor from a very reliable source whom is in the know on such matters) that we will be shutdown from Friday thru Tuesday and I won't need to use vacation time as my salary will cover the time off. This shutdown is 2 fold in reason.
1) We are still experiencing a chip shortage.
2) A recent surge of that creeping crud is running rampant through our company. This round seems to be focused on office staff. The powers that be want everyone out of the office to do a deep sanitizing and 'cool down' period.
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Where I work is one stop before our house about a mile up the dirt road.
I was outside enjoying a bit of cool fresh air and some sunshine when the UPS truck pulled in. I approached the driver and told him I could save him a trip up the dirt road and get my package from him now. I've done this many times in the past.
Well, it turns out they have 3 trucks in our area today and my package is on one of the others.
Oh well.... they kinda frown when I shoot BB guns in the office anyways.... :o
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Mine arrived last night along with a steel breech. Installed the breech, Grav-Mag and a Bug Buster. Six pumps with 14.3 CPHP yields 593-603 fps. Eight pumps gets me to high 650's. For giggles I tried a few of the 23 Gr NOE slugs at eight pumps. they didn't group horribly bad considering I was just pulling them out of the tin, but cleared the chrono at 515-520 fps with two touching at 50 yards and the other three with 2". I may sort some slugs tonight and see if I can get the groups to tighten up - not that I will be shooting slugs with it, but it's good to know it can be done. Pellets grouped a little better but not as accurate as most of my PCP's. This will be a GREAT squirrel getter out to 30-35 yards.
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It would be wicked expensive, but getting an unchoked 23.82" LW blank made to fit the Crosman breech would probably send cast alloy slugs pretty fast. I saw on another thread the valve is identical to the 13xx series, so the hot rod valves should drop in. Combined with a longer barrel it could be a MSP slug gun, which is pretty unique.
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I'm starting to think we have "pre-ordered" our rifles.
I just checked my order on the Crosman website and my status is "pending" It's looking like you nailed it.
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Tinkering is all well and fine but here's where I am...
$99 for the gun
$40 in the trigger
$30 for the barrel
I already have the steel breech and a few other goodies on hand.
I'll have $170 out of pocket in it.... well, not really because I sold another gun to fund it. But, that's the end of the line for this one. All in, all done.
I don't even want to admit how much I've invested in 'lego' projects in that past that I will NEVER recover.
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I'm sitting around $270 now and I haven't done anything about the trigger yet. All that for a nice, slim .25 pumper that I've wanted for years. I'm not complaining at all. Where else can even come close?
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I'm sitting around $270 now and I haven't done anything about the trigger yet. All that for a nice, slim .25 pumper that I've wanted for years. I'm not complaining at all. Where else can even come close?
i feel your pain, just got my DonnyFL adapter, will look nice on the gun and I can use a pineapple on the front if I want to.
wll
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Does anyone know, approximately, where the choke starts and ends on the 26" barrels? I could probably get a machine shop to cut a 26" choked barrel into a 22"+ unchoked barrel. Could be an affordable option for a slug barrel.
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Hot rod valve- Is this a specific product or a general term?
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Hot rod valve- Is this a specific product or a general term?
General term I use for the various aftermarket valves available. I saw a few when I was looking up parts that fit the 362.
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Aluminum breech from Baker arrived quickly and is sitting on the front porch.
362 will be delivered today.
Moderator from Buck rail is coming tomorrow along with two pairs of their new 13xx grips.
Not sure what scope I am going to put on it right yet, and will most likely put a Baker trigger in it.
Too bad they didn't put the clean break trigger in it. I really like the one in my Summit Ranger.
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Hot rod valve- Is this a specific product or a general term?
General term I use for the various aftermarket valves available. I saw a few when I was looking up parts that fit the 362.
Gotcha, I use hot rod too for a few things.
I have not done much with pumper internals but have looked at a few valves and flat tops etc. Never did enough research to know what I really want but I don't like excessive pumping and would probably go flat top for that reason.
Any valves in particular to look at for this gun?
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Does this rifle accept 13xx/22xx grips?
;D
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Looks as if mine is on the truck and out for delivery. I have the printed scope mount on its way but will wait on the steel or Baker breech until/unless the scope wont hold true.
It will eat CPHP's or it will find a new home, period.
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David, exactly how I feel.... I'm not going to buy a $100 gun and feed it $20 a tin pellets.
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Not only that but the JSB's I like are unobtanium everywhere I look so it will have to eat cheap! ;)
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I have a boatload of various pellets stockpiled but I have other, better quality guns for other purposes that use them. I don't mind testing but, it's normal diet will be cheap.
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Does this rifle accept 13xx/22xx grips?
;D
Not that I know of, I ordered those for my 1322 and one of my SSP 250s.
I should have clarified my comment. They were coming in the same order though.
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Ummm Ray... by the looks of your avatar, that's not all you're confused about..... lol
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someone explain to me why you wouldn't want the best accuracy possible by using good quality pellets? I haven't bought any Crosman pellets since the box pellets went down the hill. But then I have such a big stock of JSB and AA and H&N that I would have a hard time putting a dent in the supply. Heck, I even have a bunch of Eujin in various weights if I really want to try to hammer something.
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Ummm Ray... by the looks of your avatar, that's not all you're confused about..... lol
LOL, LOL, LOL She is a beautiful girl, that's for sure.
wll
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Ummm Ray... by the looks of your avatar, that's not all you're confused about..... lol
Yeah got tired of my old one. Figured I'd be a hottie til I find a new avatar I like.
Oh and if ya cant beat em join em. I think I'll change my name to They-Them.
Can ya tell I'm bored at work and cant wait to get home to my 362?
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Ummm Ray... by the looks of your avatar, that's not all you're confused about..... lol
LOL, LOL, LOL She is a beautiful girl, that's for sure.
Thank you Will, I'll take that as a compliment. That's really me! :-\
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Ummm Ray... by the looks of your avatar, that's not all you're confused about..... lol
LOL, LOL, LOL She is a beautiful girl, that's for sure.
Thank you Will, I'll take that as a compliment. That's really me! :-\
LOL,LOL,LOL
wll
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Ummm Ray... by the looks of your avatar, that's not all you're confused about..... lol
LOL, LOL, LOL She is a beautiful girl, that's for sure.
Thank you Will, I'll take that as a compliment. That's really me! :-\
"What's in YOUR wallet?" :o
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OK changed it to my dog Laci, so the last several posts will not make any sense to anyone.
Back on topic- just got delivery confirmation. My 362 is on the front porch.
The new question is... is my lovely wife pi$$ed?
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someone explain to me why you wouldn't want the best accuracy possible by using good quality pellets? I haven't bought any Crosman pellets since the box pellets went down the hill. But then I have such a big stock of JSB and AA and H&N that I would have a hard time putting a dent in the supply. Heck, I even have a bunch of Eujin in various weights if I really want to try to hammer something.
EZPZ, if you want to shoot a lot but have a budget, you have to make a decision whether you are going to shoot a few JSB's (if they are even available) or a bunch of CPHP's. In the end, you can use JSB's to harvest game if the CPHP's are a bit larger in grouping but you still have to be competent with the gun, the sights and hold.
I want to shoot several tins of pellets through my 362 today and I have 2 tins of JSB's in my case but many more tins of CPHP's I paid just over a penny per shot for over the past year. What I am I going to do? I am going to shoot what my budget allows so I can gain competency and become a crack shot with it just like I have with every gun I own.
If it wont shoot CPHP's, its out the door, PERIOD!
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OK lads, AG pron first...
The last pic is of the 362 and the DAR .177 for size comparison.
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Next up, the money shot. Does this gun live up to the rep it has so far and will it eat El-Cheap'O ammo?
Lets see!
.333" center to center with a dirty barrel, 4 pumps, open sights unadjusted and CPHP's. Yessiree-bob, she will shoot!
You can see the progression in getting it sighted in with one going far left then settling into a 4 shot group in the middle of the box.
The second group is .586 with 8 pumps at 10m, front rested as well as the last group. The group spread as the rear sight moved with each pump, I will have to shim it to keep it in place for now.
I will be keeping her!
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My 362 was supposed to be delivered today. It wasn't. I raised plenty of Cain with Crosman and UPS both. UPS said contact the sender for the merch THEY lost and Crosman says UPS is definitely very much at fault and is responsible for the loss. I agree with Crosman.
UPS shot me an email saying my 362 will be delivered to me tomorrow between 11am and 3pm. We'll see what happens.
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Mine is out for delivery and I can see it UPS Follow Me Map running all around our small town but it has yet to stop at my house.
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I was in the shop when "Brown came to town" and left the box with one rap on the door. Scared the bolshevik out of me! :o
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Looks like we have contact.... lol
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Bingo !!!
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Sure beats standing at the window..... ;)
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Sure beats standing at the window..... ;)
Pics or it did not happen ;D
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Sure beats standing at the window..... ;)
Pics or it did not happen ;D
+1
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Mine was in the living room when i got home, along with my Baker Breech.
Wife is not p$%&^ unless I read her wrong... which is very likely.
Mine barely survived the shipping. Outer box was fine with plenty of packing paper, but Crosmans box is a joke with those two little foam blocks and all the room for the gun to crash around inside, which it did. broke the foam crushed the little cardboard wall at the muzzle end and the rear sight was sticking out of the box with the peep plate barely hanging on. But nothing was actually broken.
It is dry and squeaky and very clacky so I fixed all of that.
The good news is it is a shooter! I've put about 20 CPHPs through is to far and at 6 yards with 3 and 4 pumps offhand it is stacking these cheap pellets. Not bad considering my eyes dont want to let me shoot irons.
Think I'll go swap out the breech.
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#805 was delivered and leaning against the wall behind my recliner when I got home.
After reviewing the day and the work plan for the next week with Betty Lou and getting the greeting routine with Rambo and Boss out of the way. I slipped into the tee shirt and sweat pants (evening attire) and opened it up. The pump arm was in the previously reported open position and everything looked good in the neighborhood.
Oh I forgot to mention.... the paper packing between outer and inner box. I started pulling it out and it looked like one of those clown shows that 3 miles of silk is pulled from his sleeve.... lol amazing how they got that much packing in there.
After further inspection I stepped out on the front porch just as dusk fell. I opened the included tin of Essential pellet and fumbled one into the breech. I put 8 solid pumps in it and aimed, best I could see, at the blue plastic half barrel out in the yard that the hot pepper plants occupy when in season.
CRACK followed by SMACK.
This is a good beginning.... ;)
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Nice solid feel..... thanks Crosman. Just what I wanted, a 'lego' gun with a full stock that don't feel like something cheap grew out the back of a pistol. Along with a long stroke that packs the air into the valve without separating my shoulder.
This just might be the new American Classic.
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And just as a plan is laid, someone throws a wrench in the cogs....
Our assembly department decided to use the customer's downtime to get ahead of the game.
So now, I will work tomorrow then off until Wednesday using one vacation day for Tuesday (Monday is paid MLK day). Then off until next Monday burning 2 more vacation days for Thurs, and Fri.
So, now it 2 back to back mini 4 day vacations.
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I received my C362 test gun yesterday and did a bit of testing and shooting with it on a nice 50-degree day today ... before the 6" of snow hits tomorrow.
Loud clacking/clanking pumping noise. Can be reduced somewhat.
Same trigger as the Disco/Maximus so the usual tune up is very doable.
Hammer spring/cocking effort is heavier than the 1322.
Gun is heavier than I thought it would be.
Great little handy rifle for sure.
Since it's a dump-valve gun, almost anything you hang on the end will make it very quiet.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/C362/C362-1.jpg)
It should be a great starter rifle for the PCP shy, and a platform for the 1377/1322 modding crowd.
Mike
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Bingo !!!
I was doing the same thing when my 362 was about to be delivered, I met him at the door though 8)
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Wow Bill, you did a lot better than me, mine is 1230.
Swapped in the Baker breech and cleaned the barrel, It was filthy, and reinstalled the rear sight for now.
Shot another 30 or so including RWS and H&N wad cutters.
Still shooting at about 6 yds offhand the CPHPs shot much better than the others. Just stacked them on top of each other.
I cant wait to see what this will do with a scope at 30 yds.
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Finally got a tracking number! Wooohooo! Supposed to be here Tuesday.
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Funny thing is the only notice I got was from UPS. Nothing from Crosman yet.
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I got a notice from Crosman as soon as mine was shipped Ed !!! I never got an email from UPS until the day before it got here. It was handy to see what was going on with tracking number that Crosman sent me though.
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I don't know it it had anything to do with it but I have accounts at both Crosman and UPS. I have bought from the Crosman Custom Shop and I have a UPS My Choice account.
When I call Crosman Parts Dept, the ask my zip code and 2 names pop up and I tell them which one I am. From there they have all my info. They even ask if I want to pay the same way I did last time.
UPS My Choice sends me a heads up on anything that is shipped to me through them and I get that as soon as a label is created.
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I also have the exact same accounts that you mentioned Bill, it sure makes things a lot nicer when I order something online, I've also got a Fedex and USPS account as well and they also are very good about notifying me when something is coming my way.
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Yep, it amazes Betty Lou when I call and tell her what's sitting out in the mailbox. ;)
Yesterday I told her that UPS was coming up the road, then I told her the truck was sitting behind us at the airport. I watched it leave there and told her it was turning the corner to our driveway. All that from the comfort of my office chair at work a few miles away.
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I really do wonder about the stock on these because they're made with a plastic injection mold and I'm sure there's still a lot of plastic injection molding going on here in the U.S. yet ???
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I got a notice from Crosman as soon as mine was shipped Ed !!! I never got an email from UPS until the day before it got here. It was handy to see what was going on with tracking number that Crosman sent me though.
My shipping notice from Crosman came sometime during the night. I have that UPS app on my phone and it informed me that had a package coming from Crosman as soon as they picked it up.
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Finally got a tracking number! Wooohooo! Supposed to be here Tuesday.
Same here, got my tracking number at 11:53 PM last night, Crosman must be burning the midnight oil.
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I really do wonder about the stock on these because they're made with a plastic injection mold and I'm sure there's still a lot of plastic injection molding going on here in the U.S. yet ???
Several years ago a few friends of mine, fresh out of high school were making resin/plastic injection molded stuff. Some were parts of a mower, Buell motorcycle fairings, etc, all made near Hickory NC. They have long since moved on to other careers, but I'm sure the company is still active. The fact that the plastics they made were durable/flexible enough for motorcycle fairings and mower decks tells me it was ABS or resinous plastic. Not the cheap clacky clacky stuff that comes on Crosman 13xx guns.
One of the reasons I decided on the Daisy 901 vs the Crosman Legacy 1000 was the stock on the Daisy. Glad to hear the Crosman 362 uses a higher quality resinous plastic.
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I really do wonder about the stock on these because they're made with a plastic injection mold and I'm sure there's still a lot of plastic injection molding going on here in the U.S. yet ???
Several years ago a few friends of mine, fresh out of high school were making resin/plastic injection molded stuff. Some were parts of a mower, Buell motorcycle fairings, etc, all made near Hickory NC. They have long since moved on to other careers, but I'm sure the company is still active. The fact that the plastics they made were durable/flexible enough for motorcycle fairings and mower decks tells me it was ABS or resinous plastic. Not the cheap clacky clacky stuff that comes on Crosman 13xx guns.
One of the reasons I decided on the Daisy 901 vs the Crosman Legacy 1000 was the stock on the Daisy. Glad to hear the Crosman 362 uses a higher quality resinous plastic.
I went with the Daisy 901 and the 35 over all the cheaper crosman pumpers. They do feel higher quality.
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Lots of injection molding going on in the auto industry here in the US.
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Lots of injection molding going on in the auto industry here in the US.
It's usually the higher quality plastics as well, such as used with DeWalt tools, etc.
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Email from UPS says delivery today. Got an email from Crosman three or four days ago.
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Hold up, if my UPS driver looked like that I would have to hide my CC from myself.
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I just did a live target shoot with mine up in the attic, I'll post it soon, I did half way decent with the peep sight I must say, it was exactly 27.5ft from the muzzle to the target, I think I brought everything back down except for my tape measure dang it !!! At least I know where to find it if I need it 8)
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I was just alerted that my Baker brass trigger is in the mailbox at the house.
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I'll definitely be putting a steel breech on mine because I probably won't really notice the weight difference plus putting a scope on it will make a big difference no doubt. It's been so long since I've done much with the 22xx's I don't recall if the steel breech made a difference as far as fps goes ???
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Mine finally came today. I like it. I cleaned the barrel. Put a couple pieces of gorilla duct tape across the magnet. Might put a couple more pieces there. Used some felt along the pump tube to quiet the clack. Kinda sorta sighted it in at 10 yards with 14.3 cphp.
A piece ... something... is rattling around in the pump linkage. I have no idea whats causing that.
So, is putting on the steel breech as easy as 2 screws and aligning the TP? Looks that way.
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I'll definitely be putting a steel breech on mine because I probably won't really notice the weight difference plus putting a scope on it will make a big difference no doubt. It's been so long since I've done much with the 22xx's I don't recall if the steel breech made a difference as far as fps goes ???
Is there a benefit to upgrading the TP with the OEM valve? Just figured you could replace that while you have the breech off.
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Mine finally came today. I like it. I cleaned the barrel. Put a couple pieces of gorilla duct tape across the magnet. Might put a couple more pieces there. Used some felt along the pump tube to quiet the clack. Kinda sorta sighted it in at 10 yards with 14.3 cphp.
A piece ... something... is rattling around in the pump linkage. I have no idea whats causing that.
So, is putting on the steel breech as easy as 2 screws and aligning the TP? Looks that way.
That rattle is the spacer between both sides if the pump linkage at the front pivot point.
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I'll definitely be putting a steel breech on mine because I probably won't really notice the weight difference plus putting a scope on it will make a big difference no doubt. It's been so long since I've done much with the 22xx's I don't recall if the steel breech made a difference as far as fps goes ???
Is there a benefit to upgrading the TP with the OEM valve? Just figured you could replace that while you have the breech off.
Was wondering that myself, if I should use a piece of ice maker tubing.
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Got my 362 today. Packaging was decent for the box protection but inside the actual retail box was a mess, they used two small pieces of styrofoam and they did not survive at all, pieces of styrofoam everywhere. But the gun looks just fine and it's shooting just fine. It's a fun plinker at 10 and 15 yards. Already ran around 75 pellets through it. Much easier to get to full power (8 pumps) versus doing 10 pumps on my 1322's. 8 pumps has a bit of a bark to it but I have been plinking at 2-3 pumps and it's pretty quiet. Seems to be pretty accurate for me but I am just know getting more into precise shooting versus destroying pop cans in the back yard. But speaking of pop cans the damage it did to a coke can at 8 pumps was very impressive from a 15 yard shot.
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Got my 362 today. Packaging was decent for the box protection but inside the actual retail box was a mess, they used two small pieces of styrofoam and they did not survive at all, pieces of styrofoam everywhere. But the gun looks just fine and it's shooting just fine. It's a fun plinker at 10 and 15 yards. Already ran around 75 pellets through it. Much easier to get to full power (8 pumps) versus doing 10 pumps on my 1322's. 8 pumps has a bit of a bark to it but I have been plinking at 2-3 pumps and it's pretty quiet. Seems to be pretty accurate for me but I am just know getting more into precise shooting versus destroying pop cans in the back yard. But speaking of pop cans the damage it did to a coke can at 8 pumps was very impressive from a 15 yard shot.
Same for me the stryrofoam was shredded and the tiny pieces stick to everything. Gun was in great shape all the way from NY to Arizona!!
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Welp, putting the steel breech on mine was easy and then using an old Hatsan 3-9XAO sighted it in at a preliminary 10 yards. I'm seeing cloverleaf, hole on hole and hole in hole accuracy at that range using 3 pumps and 14.3 cphp.
Oh, I'm definitely keeping this one.
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I'll definitely be putting a steel breech on mine because I probably won't really notice the weight difference plus putting a scope on it will make a big difference no doubt. It's been so long since I've done much with the 22xx's I don't recall if the steel breech made a difference as far as fps goes ???
Is there a benefit to upgrading the TP with the OEM valve? Just figured you could replace that while you have the breech off.
Was wondering that myself, if I should use a piece of ice maker tubing.
Is the ice maker tube superior to aftermarket options?
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I do the ice maker tube on mine anytime I loose the factory TP seal ;) Tricky for getting the proper fit, but once fitted I think it is better, can not get any larger than that for air flow, and unless everything else is opened up no need to go bigger.
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My C362 is ready to hunt and I'll be using it on male hosp's this weekend. There is a new crowd of them that showed up a week ago. I'll use my .177 1389 Backpacker on the female hosp's.
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I ordered a max flo TP from Alchemy. All my others have ice maker line, but any dollar spent with the small guys in our community is a good dollar.
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Dang hunny do this, hunny do that... always gets in the way.... :o Can't ya see I'm trying to be an irresponsible kid over here?
Finally made it back from Troy after working until noon.... 3 hours later :-\
I didn't even make it past the work bench without grabbing Allen wrenches and what not. I literally shot this gun one time in stock form before I went to work on it.
First steel breech was a no go because it was a rear screw breech. So I had to do a temp robbery on one of my other 'lego' builds. That was on a 2260 tube so it had both front and rear screw holes.... cool, I can just swap it out for this one. Bad part is, now there are 2 disassembled soldiers laying over there on the bench in disrepair. Sorry, girls... I'll get back to you later.
First of all, I can confirm that the Baker Brass trigger does not work... but, it can work if you drill and tap a hole in it to make a stop for the spring. You just won't have adjustment... Is that enough to satisfy the plastic trigger haters? Doubt it.
But what you can do is use the Baker Brass trigger spring with the stock plastic trigger and that lightens it up some.... which I did... for now.
Next issue worth noting... Don't use the factory rear breech screw. Without the factory rear sight, it's too long and will bind the hammer spring... ask me how I know? I had to use the shorter spring from poor ole donor gun.
One other word from experience.... your beer will get warm and your smoke will burn up in the ashtray.... a couple times.
While we're on the subject of temporary.... let's talk about barrels....
As I have said... several times, My gun... err, uuhh Betty Lou's gun ??? will be a .177.. check that. it IS a .177 gun. Albeit a disproportionate .177 gun, the fact remains.
As some of you know, I like a stubby gun but calling an 18" barrel that ends 3/16 past the barrel band is an overstatement. It kinda resembles a modern day Sheridan. There ain't enough room left out there to hang a booger on let alone any kinda sight or muzzle brake, silencer, hush puppy or any other word that suites your fancy.
No hiding this one... everyone from here to my job a mile and a half down the road can hear it coming. Rambo hates me already and I only shot it twice.
So anyways.... that's where is am right now besides the Hawke AirMax 2-7x32 AO sitting on top of it.
Fun part is, I get to do it all again when the 24" barrel comes in on Tuesday.... providing the creek don't rise... :o
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Well, I might be shooting mine in stock form for awhile. I'm pretty sure my breech is a rear screw.
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Yep... I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the 2 screw issues yet. Maybe everybody but you and me just got lucky.... :o
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Well, I might be shooting mine in stock form for awhile. I'm pretty sure my breech is a rear screw.
does it have the front screw hole??
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Yeah Rob.... The 362 has the front breech screw hole.... no second hole at the rear. And I don't remember what I bought it for or where I got it to tell other's where to get the right one.
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hahaha Bill... I fell your "MRS" pain. I am wrestling with this long steel breech trying to figure out why the gun won't cock with everything perfectly aligned and installed and suddenly... it's conversation time :o.
so, after putting the plastic breech back on, trying the short steel breech, then playing with it all for about an our between conversations, and having the issue with all three breeches... I found this...
(https://i.imgur.com/jiXWzW8.jpg)
I have no idea what it is or why it is there but it appears to be a little plastic circle of green plastic caught inside of the spring??? looks like a simple job of putting on a steel breech has now turned in to a disassembly job to remove what ever it is.
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I think that is an air force hammer spring buffer. :-\
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Looks like a mean green booger whatever it is.
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Rob,
Your gun should cock fine with any stock breech.
As Bill mentioned earlier try a shorter rear breech screw.
If it's too long it can pinch the hammer spring.
I'd leave the "green booger" in there for now.
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Sure will... I'll check that spring for any damage I may have caused it when I take the gun back down to install the 24" barrel.
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Jim, Ron, and Bill... right on all counts.
it is a hammer spring buffer and the long bolt went in too far (by just enough) and knocked off the end of the buffer causing it to float around inside of the spring. It did put
a slight bend in the end of the spring. I have a whole set of 13xx screws but they are either too long or too short. I had to remove the buffer as there was still binding. I have new OEM springs so no big deal there. I will be up a while going through my other screws looking for a shorter one. I may have to just dremel off a couple threads of the long one... just have to see what I have? I wont wrap this up until I have it sorted out correctly.
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I assume they are using the front hole breeches because all the 13xx hammers are not notched for the rear screws. If I rember right, to run a rear screw breech, you would need to notch your hammer or buy one already done from eBay or Mellon, and drill and tap the tube for the rear screw. I can't remember the thread size right off. It's probably worth the trouble to not have the screw head in the way of loading.
As for the trigger issue, I read on another thread here yesterday that the trigger case didn't have the holes for the 2 screw mod. I was afraid there would be issues. I have a Baker trigger that'll be here tomorrow. I also have a 2260 trigger group in the parts box. I'll see if it'll swap over easily.
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I think you'll have to clear some material out of the stock behind the trigger group to get a 2260 group in there. The 2260 has those screw nubs on the back of it.
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In think the best approach would be to grind the back of the stock trigger frame flat to drill and tap the adjustment holes in it. Set your trigger adjustment with the stock off the gun and cut the excess screw off the back. You'll probably want to use blue loctite on the screws after adjustment. Then you'll want to drill and tap the brass trigger and insert a spring stop. (possibly an Allen head screw) You can see what you'll need by looking at the bottom side of the plastic trigger.
It can be done, just a bit tedious. Not worth the trouble for me, I'll just work with the plastic trigger and a bit of tinkering to get it light and smooth as possible.
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Now.... if you look at Mr. Sterne's trigger mod, there is a 3rd screw mod in the bottom of the trigger group. Can't remember off the top what it adjusts but it should be an easy add in the stock group.
You can see it here in front of the trigger guard.
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I just read on another thread that the 362 trigger
case is metal and not plastic, like the 2260. I haven't even noticed that. I'll see if I can drill and tap like you said.
Did you happen to save that link to Bob's trigger mods?
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Look up one reply, I modified my post. careful with that one.. I think it really reduces sear engagement.
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Jim, Ron, and Bill... right on all counts.
it is a hammer spring buffer and the long bolt went in too far (by just enough) and knocked off the end of the buffer causing it to float around inside of the spring. It did put
a slight bend in the end of the spring. I have a whole set of 13xx screws but they are either too long or too short. I had to remove the buffer as there was still binding. I have new OEM springs so no big deal there. I will be up a while going through my other screws looking for a shorter one. I may have to just dremel off a couple threads of the long one... just have to see what I have? I wont wrap this up until I have it sorted out correctly.
I did find a Crosman screw that was correct for this and replaced the spring. unfortunately, the hammer buffer has to come out. for what ever reason, it will not allow the cocking pin to came back, even with the breech off, to cock the gun. The cocking pin has some slop in it and it wiggles in the hole in the hammer and that might be why? for now... the buffer has to stay out. I took out the brass hammer spring guide from the PA on the 1377 I tore down for parts and put that in place of the buffer. Everything seems to be nice and smooth now and no issues with cocking. Now to get it back together and test it assembled.
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Look up one reply, I modified my post. careful with that one.. I think it really reduces sear engagement.
Thanks, Bill
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10 yards open sights resting on a clothes hamper 6 shots 8 pumps
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Here's a video I published on youtube today about my C362, the gun is definitely a winner. When I looked where the breech screw is on mine it looks the same as the spare steel breech that was originally bought for a 2240 so It should work fine.
https://youtu.be/FfB-3qmqKxw
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Tracking on my 24" .177 barrel says Monday but, I see it's 40 miles up the road at the UPS facility. Maybe it will arrived today. That would be fun.
I think I will begin my own thread on this thing to maybe spare some confusion among builds.
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Bill i
Tracking on my 24" .177 barrel says Monday but, I see it's 40 miles up the road at the UPS facility. Maybe it will arrived today. That would be fun.
I think I will begin my own thread on this thing to maybe spare some confusion among builds.
[/quoteTracking on my 24" .177 barrel says Monday but, I see it's 40 miles up the road at the UPS facility. Maybe it will arrived today. That would be fun.
I think I will begin my own thread on this thing to maybe spare some confusion among builds.
Bill if your build includes a pickle call it the Rambo Edition ;) Only reason I know you need a LDC ;)
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It's definitely loud with this shorty .177 barrel.
Loud don't bother me... just Nancy Boy Rambo...
Boss lays under my feet when I shoot, she is fearless.
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Tracking puts mine here Tuesday and I've got a handful of parts that probably aren't usable. Oh well, I'm going to shoot it anyway. Loud isn't an issue where I live.
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N21P00091 here.
Gonna let it warm up a bit. About 8F as it was delivered by a ninja or something and sat on the porch a good while.
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It's definitely loud with this shorty .177 barrel.
Loud don't bother me... just Nancy Boy Rambo...
Boss lays under my feet when I shoot, she is fearless.
In my brief experience with air rifles a shorter barrel is louder than a long barrel on the same platform, all other things being equal.
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I am finding the Crosman 14.3 gr CPHP to be an accurate pellet in my C362. It's sighted in with them. Nothing but hole touching hole groups or hole in hole groups with that pellet.
Imagine that? And, they're only $6.24 this week at Walmart for a tin of 500 pellets. I think I'll order 10 tins of them this weekend.
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I am finding the Crosman 14.3 gr CPHP to be an accurate pellet in my C362. It's sighted in with them. Nothing but hole touching hole groups or hole in hole groups with that pellet.
Imagine that? And, they're only $6.24 this week at Walmart for a tin of 500 pellets. I think I'll order 10 tins of them this weekend.
At what distance?
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I am finding the Crosman 14.3 gr CPHP to be an accurate pellet in my C362. It's sighted in with them. Nothing but hole touching hole groups or hole in hole groups with that pellet.
Imagine that? And, they're only $6.24 this week at Walmart for a tin of 500 pellets. I think I'll order 10 tins of them this weekend.
At what distance?
Not far. Same 10m distance nearly everyone else seems to be shooting at. Way too windy to shoot outside today. It's been steady wind like this for a couple of weeks. I was able to get my Winchester 1977XS sighted in at 25 yards using RWS 8.3's about 4-5 days ago when the wind slacked off for an hour. That's all the outside shooting I've done lately.
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It would make a lot of sense for Crosman to make barrels that shoot their pellets well. I've got a boatload of cp 10.5 and CPHPs, so I'm happy to hear they are working well.
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It would make a lot of sense for Crosman to make barrels that shoot their pellets well. I've got a boatload of cp 10.5 and CPHPs, so I'm happy to hear they are working well.
Me too, in regard to the 10.5 and CPHPs. I'll be checking 50 yard accuracy with the 10.5 next in my 1977, (if the wind will ever slack off...). I'm sure most of us have a fair amount of CPHP's. Oh wait ... the cphp haters gave all theirs away.
Oh well. Good thing they're cheap to replace.
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The 362 original rear sight does not appear to be compatible with the long steel breech.
The rear sight is flat on the bottom and the breech is round.........
And the mounting screw is not long enough.
What am I missing??
I have searched the various threads on this gun and did not see any mention of this..
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The 362 original rear sight does not appear to be compatible with the long steel breech.
The rear sight is flat on the bottom and the breech is round.........
And the mounting screw is not long enough.
What am I missing??
I have searched the various threads on this gun and did not see any mention of this..
No Ron; the OEM 362 sight will not fit on a steel breech. If you want a peep sight it will have to be one of these or an equivalent.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/williams-diopter-sight?a=2003 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/williams-diopter-sight?a=2003)
This is the one I'd use if I was going that route:
https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/sights/williams-fp-ag-tk-aperture-sight/ (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/sights/williams-fp-ag-tk-aperture-sight/)
Just put a scope on it. Mine weighs around 6 lbs with the Hatsan 3-9XAO I put on it and its so balanced I can practically shoot it with one hand.
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It would make a lot of sense for Crosman to make barrels that shoot their pellets well. I've got a boatload of cp 10.5 and CPHPs, so I'm happy to hear they are working well.
Me too, in regard to the 10.5 and CPHPs. I'll be checking 50 yard accuracy with the 10.5 next in my 1977, (if the wind will ever slack off...). I'm sure most of us have a fair amount of CPHP's. Oh wait ... the cphp haters gave all theirs away.
Oh well. Good thing they're cheap to replace.
That's one thing I really dont understand. I dont like H&N but I still have a couple dozen tins of them for comparisons even if they don't shoot well from my guns.
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The 362 original rear sight does not appear to be compatible with the long steel breech.
The rear sight is flat on the bottom and the breech is round.........
And the mounting screw is not long enough.
What am I missing??
I have searched the various threads on this gun and did not see any mention of this..
Ronno look up the Williams WGR-54 sight it works on my Crosman custom shop guns. This is a picture of on my R9.
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I'm getting some really good groups @ 10yds with this 18" .177 barrel.
So far I've tried the new Daisy wadcutters, H&N match and hunters and yellow label winnies... all at 5 pumps.
Really hard to tell until I stretch it out a bit after while.
This has always been a great barrel for me. I chopped and crowned it from a 24" barrel several years ago and I've had it on several "lego" guns.
I need to get after that trigger though, it feels quite gritty. I don't bother me much at this short range but I'll bet it will at longer ranges.
If it continues to shoot this accurately at the longer range, I may just leave the 18" barrel on it awhile. The 'Sheridan' old school 'Crosman' pumper look is growing on me. Great little walk about and truck gun.
But yeah, that trigger needs some love.
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Moved it out to 16yds., according to the range finder, and gave it 5 pumps with the CPUM 10.5 domes.
3 shots in a ragged hole... ain't complaining about that.
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Moved it out to 16yds., according to the range finder, and gave it 5 pumps with the CPUM 10.5 domes.
3 shots in a ragged hole... ain't complaining about that.
Not one, tiny bit! Nice, Bill! ;D
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Guys... even the dreaded 10.5 Piranhas shot hole touching hole.... now that impresses the snot outta me.
It's going to be hard to change this barrel out for the longer one.... :o
Remember... I'm an accuracy man... if I need more power I have it in many, many other guns.
Think I'll revisit this trigger real quick.
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Come to think of it, I got a great deal on some Crosman 411 Match Sights............
I'll give one of them a try...........
or, get this and swap over the peep sight tombstone... (Probably cost less from Crosman...)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/275099407709?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160811114145%26meid%3De8dc79bd51b746f4bcdb6824e64d70d0%26pid%3D100667%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D115189060776%26itm%3D275099407709%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2334524%26brand%3DCrosman&_trksid=p2334524.c100667.m2042 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/275099407709?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160811114145%26meid%3De8dc79bd51b746f4bcdb6824e64d70d0%26pid%3D100667%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D115189060776%26itm%3D275099407709%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2334524%26brand%3DCrosman&_trksid=p2334524.c100667.m2042)
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Did some Chronies this morning with the Crosman 14.3 Superpoints...
2 pumps... 379 / 4.6
3... 460 / 6.7
4... 516 / 8.5
5... 564 / 10.1
6... 597 / 11.3
7... 626 / 12.5
8... 646 / 13.3
8... 640 / 13
8... 636 / 12.8
I braved the cold, couldn't wait. It was 27 degrees with a mild wind... In my pajamas with a light jacket. Yeah, I'm Crazy! :o
These were at 21 yards with four pumps...
(https://i.imgur.com/ssCFEwR.jpg)
With the cold and me trying not to shiver while holding the gun steady and rested on a padded bar, it was fairly consistent with the ones that were at center. I was out there for a while and the cold probably wasn't helping gun / Valve efficiency but even still... The gun did decently. The trigger isn't terrible, but I was wrestling with it a bit. It doesn't seem too picky with pellets so far either, so I have some H&N 5.55's I will try next time out. The yellow target dots are 3/4" diameter. The 4 flyers on the middle right, I have no clue? I took the gun in for a little while to warm up then went back out to do the H&N's. I would like a little tighter but this was much more than I expected from a Crosman barrel. It isn't fully broken in either, so I may see some improvement as it does. It is definitely capable. 8)
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OK, I know I said I would begin my own thread but, I just gotta show y'all this before I go.....
I went back in and did some smoothing, polishing and lubing on that trigger.
As always, I most likely bumped the scope and had to resight it in. It took 3 shots... ;)
I also moved the target out to 20yds. on the range finder and put up a new target that's a bit more precise shooting friendly.
Pic one is distance from indoor bench to outdoor target (pic or it didn't happen, right?)
Pic two shows my 2 wheeler - dartboard target holder and the target.
Pic three.... money pic...
As you can see, the top 2 sight in shots. Then shot 3 is the far left bull. I was amazed and didn't want to mess up the target with another shot so I moved over and shot #4.
Are you kidding me? And Crosman 10.5 Ultra Mag Domes... really?
All at 5 pumps.
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That is fantastic Bill!!! 8)
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OK, I know I said I would begin my own thread but, I just gotta show y'all this before I go.....
I went back in and did some smoothing, polishing and lubing on that trigger.
As always, I most likely bumped the scope and had to resight it in. It took 3 shots... ;)
I also moved the target out to 20yds. on the range finder and put up a new target that's a bit more precise shooting friendly.
Pic one is distance from indoor bench to outdoor target (pic or it didn't happen, right?)
Pic two shows my 2 wheeler - dartboard target holder and the target.
Pic three.... money pic...
As you can see, the top 2 sight in shots. Then shot 3 is the far left bull. I was amazed and didn't want to mess up the target with another shot so I moved over and shot #4.
Are you kidding me? And Crosman 10.5 Ultra Mag Domes... really?
All at 5 pumps.
WAIT! What?!? Amazing, Bill, really! WOW! :o
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Yeah, the next hard thing to do will be handing it over to Betty Lou..... :o
I might have to find another gun to sell to buy another... ;)
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OK, that was too easy...
I read my last post to Betty Lou and she told me to go ahead and order another one...
Hold my beer, I'm goin' in.... ;D
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OK, that was too easy...
I read my last post to Betty Lou and she told me to go ahead and order another one...
Hold my beer, I'm goin' in.... ;D
Jeepers! ;)
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I'm on call so this may be short but I am getting a few shots thru my 362, no scope yet and my vision with open sights is poor so I'll do my best. Chrony info will accompany any targets I shoot. Here's some pron for now:
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@avator
Your almost as sick as I am ;- )
wll
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LOL... but I'm not crazy enough to pass on Betty Lou giving the nod for an airgun.... lol
Order placed... discount code WELCOME10 expired so I paid the full $109.
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Besides.... like I said.... this shorty barrel has grown on me. I'll put the 24" barrel on the next one. Now I have to scope my other 'lego' guns for another forward screw breech... :-\
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LOL... but I'm not crazy enough to pass on Betty Lou giving the nod for an airgun.... lol
Order placed... discount code WELCOME10 expired so I paid the full $109.
Still works for me.
Probably it is a one-time time offer.
COMEBACK10 also works.
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Oh well... the gun is well worth the extra 10 bucks.
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Oh well... the gun is well worth the extra 10 bucks.
;D
I hope CROSMAN does not increase its price!
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Always been a Crosman pumper fan.
S/N 816 just arrived. This gun has some "Zip".
Added Crosman steel breech and some "Glass" in the back and a "Hush Kit" upfront.
Tree Rats best leave the area.
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Always been a Crosman pumper fan.
S/N 816 just arrived. This gun has some "Zip".
Added Crosman steel breech and some "Glass" in the back and a "Hush Kit" upfront.
Tree Rats best leave the area.
I love your optics setup, looks like a magnifier and a CCO type sight. I've been thinking about doing something like this. Especially if the magnifier is the same size as a rifle scope eye bell. That way I could mount a night vision setup.
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Mine is definitely pellet picky...but I am happy with it considering it still hase some break-in and tweaking to be done.
Everything at 10 Yards, 5 shots per group. The 13.7 domed group in the bottom left was 8 shots or so, just to verify zero. I had planned on shooting that style again.
At bench, using bag as hand support up front, no back bag. 4 Pumps. My eys are getting old....
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Here is my preliminary data so far for my first shooting after cleaning the barrel and centering the sights. I started with 2 pumps and increased the pressure one pump at a time. Yes, I broke the laws of the universe and went all the way to 10 pumps (*GASP*) just to see what I would end up with. I had some interesting outcomes and I was thrilled with the consistency of the group sizes across the board.
I am not posting the targets, this was not about accuracy at all, I was getting more blur every shot I took so as long as I kept the black dot in the center of the sight, I knew I was in the middle so the center to center sizes stayed relatively similar.
All shots were made with the widely available Crosman Premier Hollow Points, 13.9 gr at 10 meters from a light weight rest.
Here we go!
2 Pumps, 375, 379, 358, 373, 364 =374 average *.55" ctc
3 Pumps, 449, 457, 452, 459, 455 =454 average *.64" ctc
4 Pumps, 518, 500, 484, 507, 519 =505 average *.48" ctc 500!
5 Pumps, 549, 549, 567, 570, 582 =563 average *.64" ctc
6 Pumps, 593, 611, 596, 581, 598 =595 average *.60" ctc 600!
7 Pumps, 583, 585, 606, 587, 626 =597 average *.47" ctc
8 Pumps, 668, 668, 673, 671, 668 =670 average *.35" ctc
9 Pumps, 653, 685, 659, 653, 661 =662 average *.44" ctc
10 Pumps, 702, 702, 705, 706, 707 =704 average *.30" ctc 700!
These two were an eye opener, 8 pumps seems to be the wall then we actually hit 700 fps at 10 pumps! WHOOT!!
8 Pumps, 668, 668, 673, 671, 668 =670 average *.35" ctc
9 Pumps, 653, 685, 659, 653, 661 =662 average *.44" ctc [/size][/font]
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Here is my preliminary data so far for my first shooting after cleaning the barrel and centering the sights. I started with 2 pumps and increased the pressure one pump at a time. Yes, I broke the laws of the universe and went all the way to 10 pumps (*GASP*) just to see what I would end up with. I had some interesting outcomes and I was thrilled with the consistency of the group sizes across the board.
I am not posting the targets, this was not about accuracy at all, I was getting more blur every shot I took so as long as I kept the black dot in the center of the sight, I knew I was in the middle so the center to center sizes stayed relatively similar.
All shots were made with the widely available Crosman Premier Hollow Points, 13.9 gr at 10 meters from a light weight rest.
Here we go!
2 Pumps, 375, 379, 358, 373, 364 =374 average *.55" ctc
3 Pumps, 449, 457, 452, 459, 455 =454 average *.64" ctc
4 Pumps, 518, 500, 484, 507, 519 =505 average *.48" ctc 500!
5 Pumps, 549, 549, 567, 570, 582 =563 average *.64" ctc
6 Pumps, 593, 611, 596, 581, 598 =595 average *.60" ctc 600!
7 Pumps, 583, 585, 606, 587, 626 =597 average *.47" ctc
8 Pumps, 668, 668, 673, 671, 668 =670 average *.35" ctc
9 Pumps, 653, 685, 659, 653, 661 =662 average *.44" ctc
10 Pumps, 702, 702, 705, 706, 707 =704 average *.30" ctc 700!
These two were an eye opener, 8 pumps seems to be the wall then we actually hit 700 fps at 10 pumps! WHOOT!!
8 Pumps, 668, 668, 673, 671, 668 =670 average *.35" ctc
9 Pumps, 653, 685, 659, 653, 661 =662 average *.44" ctc [/size][/font]
Did I miss the pellet weight? Thanks oops ok see it now
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Yup it has been awhile since I shopped at Crosman, COMEBACK10 worked for me on my 2nd 362 :o
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The 362 original rear sight does not appear to be compatible with the long steel breech.
The rear sight is flat on the bottom and the breech is round.........
And the mounting screw is not long enough.
What am I missing??
I have searched the various threads on this gun and did not see any mention of this..
No Ron; the OEM 362 sight will not fit on a steel breech. If you want a peep sight it will have to be one of these or an equivalent.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/williams-diopter-sight?a=2003 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/williams-diopter-sight?a=2003)
This is the one I'd use if I was going that route:
https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/sights/williams-fp-ag-tk-aperture-sight/ (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/sights/williams-fp-ag-tk-aperture-sight/)
Just put a scope on it. Mine weighs around 6 lbs with the Hatsan 3-9XAO I put on it and its so balanced I can practically shoot it with one hand.
It will fit on a Baker breech but the factory screw is not quite long enough for the sight, and a little to long for the breech without the sight.
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Well mine was looking real promising at 6 yds offhand, open sights and newly installed scope as of last night. Hole in hole with CPHPs and even the silly "essential" dome they included. Wow are they ugly looking pellets?!
Today I got to shoot it at 30 yds and I may have a shotgun. CPHP groups of a few inches. JSB 15.89 were slightly better.
Need to try a different scope and to check the barrel for burrs etc, but I was really shocked at how bad it looked. I was rested front and rear.
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The 362 original rear sight does not appear to be compatible with the long steel breech.
The rear sight is flat on the bottom and the breech is round.........
And the mounting screw is not long enough.
What am I missing??
I have searched the various threads on this gun and did not see any mention of this..
No Ron; the OEM 362 sight will not fit on a steel breech. If you want a peep sight it will have to be one of these or an equivalent.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/williams-diopter-sight?a=2003 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/williams-diopter-sight?a=2003)
This is the one I'd use if I was going that route:
https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/sights/williams-fp-ag-tk-aperture-sight/ (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/sights/williams-fp-ag-tk-aperture-sight/)
Just put a scope on it. Mine weighs around 6 lbs with the Hatsan 3-9XAO I put on it and its so balanced I can practically shoot it with one hand.
It will fit on a Baker breech but the factory screw is not quite long enough for the sight, and a little to long for the breech without the sight.
That's an easy fix. Do you know approximately how long it needs to be?
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Well mine was looking real promising at 6 yds offhand, open sights and newly installed scope as of last night. Hole in hole with CPHPs and even the silly "essential" dome they included. Wow are they ugly looking pellets?!
Today I got to shoot it at 30 yds and I may have a shotgun. CPHP groups of a few inches. JSB 15.89 were slightly better.
Need to try a different scope and to check the barrel for burrs etc, but I was really shocked at how bad it looked. I was rested front and rear.
Hang in there Ray maybe you just need more pellets down the barrel to season the barrel? Might take a tin or more.
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The 362 original rear sight does not appear to be compatible with the long steel breech.
The rear sight is flat on the bottom and the breech is round.........
And the mounting screw is not long enough.
What am I missing??
I have searched the various threads on this gun and did not see any mention of this..
No Ron; the OEM 362 sight will not fit on a steel breech. If you want a peep sight it will have to be one of these or an equivalent.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/williams-diopter-sight?a=2003 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/williams-diopter-sight?a=2003)
This is the one I'd use if I was going that route:
https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/sights/williams-fp-ag-tk-aperture-sight/ (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/sights/williams-fp-ag-tk-aperture-sight/)
Just put a scope on it. Mine weighs around 6 lbs with the Hatsan 3-9XAO I put on it and its so balanced I can practically shoot it with one hand.
It will fit on a Baker breech but the factory screw is not quite long enough for the sight, and a little to long for the breech without the sight.
That's an easy fix. Do you know approximately how long it needs to be?
I don't, I just machined some material off the top of the sight and installed it. I have a scope on now so I cant check it until I pull the scope off. Sorry. I would guess an 1/8" longer than stock.
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Well mine was looking real promising at 6 yds offhand, open sights and newly installed scope as of last night. Hole in hole with CPHPs and even the silly "essential" dome they included. Wow are they ugly looking pellets?!
Today I got to shoot it at 30 yds and I may have a shotgun. CPHP groups of a few inches. JSB 15.89 were slightly better.
Need to try a different scope and to check the barrel for burrs etc, but I was really shocked at how bad it looked. I was rested front and rear.
Hang in there Ray maybe you just need more pellets down the barrel to season the barrel? Might take a tin or more.
I don't like shooting pumpers enough to put a tin or so through one only to possibly find I need to work on the barrel, or that the barrel is bad.
But no I am not giving up on it.
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Which is getting more attention: The Crosman 362....or that virus we can't discuss ????
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Hopefully the gun on this forum.... ;)
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It's something we can all enjoy together in these messed up times and have no contact with each other.
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Excellent point Bill. Although I wish someone could stop by and fix my Trigger. I can't even figure out how to get the safety out. Trigger is horrible but I don't want to take the gun apart and stare at the pieces for the next few weeks!
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It's something we can all enjoy together in these messed up times and have no contact with each other.
True dat!
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It's a gun we have wanted and I dare say needed for years. I grew up on pumpers and never quit loving them. I suspect I'm not alone. This hobby is my escape and it keeps me rooted in my past and the good times I had as a kid. I long for those simple day again.
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Which is getting more attention: The Crosman 362....or that virus we can't discuss ????
I have both products to experience in the house right now LOL
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Which is getting more attention: The Crosman 362....or that virus we can't discuss ????
I have both products to experience in the house right now LOL
Hang in there, Mr. James !
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Which is getting more attention: The Crosman 362....or that virus we can't discuss ????
I have both products to experience in the house right now LOL
Hang in there, Mr. James !
He'll be fine, he's got a C362... ;)
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It's something we can all enjoy together in these messed up times and have no contact with each other.
I've been enjoying falling down into the same rabbit hole you are all very familiar with now.
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Yup been playing with it and things for it made a LDC from a defunct green flashlight, by rearranging its parts and adding a few others, amazingly it works. Then I got this "bright Idea to attach a CP laser and flash light unit on it 8)
Also mounted a BR scope that came in the mail today. So there was some shootin' involved too :)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8414)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8415)
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I bought the 2 392s guns awhile back so Betty Lou and I could shoot together. She never snuggled up to hers because it was hard for her to cock and pump. Mostly pump.
So I sold one of them to buy a 362. Much easier to cock and pump. I like it alot with the mods I did so far.... enough to buy a second one. Now I'm wondering how much use, if any, the other 392s will get. I'm thinking that one will hit the sale block soon.
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I think today I'll start gathering some numbers. It may be a good time to start my own thread on our 2 C362 guns.. (the 2nd has yet to be delivered). I have yet to shoot the gun over the chrono because the .177 conversion and accuracy were my main goals. Power wasn't my focus because I know this platform and I know it has all the power I need to reach my intended purpose. The only reason I am doing it now is for comparison data... and I ain't got nothing better to do today... ;)
Temps are only expected to be in the mid to upper 40s so I'll most likely move the trap into the mancave as opposed to opening the doors to the outside.
The 24" .177 barrel is due to be delivered today.
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Bring it on, big guy! ;). If it does what I think it will do with 8 pumps, it'll rock a 10 gr!
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Yep, I plan to test the 10.5 <> grainers.
I just got in the mancave and fired up the stove... I'll let it warm up in here a bit before I got at it.
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It would be interesting to see chrony results from that 24" barrel. ;)
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We'll get there ;)
But going forward.. all my posts referring to my gun(s) will be here:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.msg156272621#msg156272621 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.msg156272621#msg156272621)
There are so many threads that the information is being scattered. My goal is to consolidate information regarding my specific setup and experience.
It will mostly benefit those with like setups.
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As some of you know I have no plans of going .177 with mine simply because that would mean I need to buy pellets and I don't want to do that, I did end up installing the steel breech on mine along with the 2240 bolt and knob. I did some chrony testing and it's about the same as stock, I didn't open any ports and really don't plan on it right away if I eventually do. I think if I do it will just be the transfer port only, might be able to get 18fpe out of it which is really more than I want for it, now I'm searching for some medium scope rings because all I've found at the moment so far are the high ones. I'll be using an old CP compact 4 power that I'm robbing from my Master Blaster because that way it will be a much better gun for Michigan weather in the long run. I also ran across 5 new breech screws that I ordered in the past. One thing about dismantling it is everything seemed not real tight which is good.
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As some of you know I have no plans of going .177 with mine simply because that would mean I need to buy pellets and I don't want to do that, I did end up installing the steel breech on mine along with the 2240 bolt and knob. I did some chrony testing and it's about the same as stock, I didn't open any ports and really don't plan on it right away if I eventually do. I think if I do it will just be the transfer port only, might be able to get 18fpe out of it which is really more than I want for it, now I'm searching for some medium scope rings because all I've found at the moment so far are the high ones. I'll be using an old CP compact 4 power that I'm robbing from my Master Blaster because that way it will be a much better gun for Michigan weather in the long run. I also ran across 5 new breech screws that I ordered in the past. One thing about dismantling it is everything seemed not real tight which is good.
What is the advantage to the 2240 bolt? I figure I'll do the TP since I'm going to order a metal breech after I have the rifle in my hands and see how I like the factory irons. Allegedly the rifle is getting here today, but with the weather I will be shooting tomorrow at the soonest, no indoor ranges for me. I wouldn't be surprised if the rifle doesn't get here until tomorrow since it just got to the local UPS distributor this morning.
I wonder if there will be aftermarket wood stocks available in the future.
Edit: Of course as soon as I posted my comment the tracking updated to on the delivery truck. I guess I'll have it in my hands today!
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They are easy to work on, and anyone who has tinkered with one before should have some instinctive memory of the operation and what typically worked in some form in the past will most likely apply.
I think I will slug this barrel before testing BBT slugs, I suspect a slight burr in the barrel port hole, as mine seems pellet picky, when striving for one hole 3-5 shot groups at 10m in a stinger gun rest. In theory the 362 should shoot BBT slugs well, if the barrel is anything close to a Prod barrel.
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DJ the main reason I ended up putting the steel breech on was because with that 4 power scope it's going to be much better for accuracy, I also dug up a red dot too but never cared that much for it however I wouldn't have to worry about rings with that, it's a cheap CP but did get the job done when I used it in the past. I still haven't put any of my 19.6 grain through it because the wad cutters seem plenty good for it, I'll try getting back up in the attic with it today to sight it in if I can find good medium rings for it. The 2240 bolt has a better knob on it too plus the bolt/knob assembly I got out of it is definitely locked in place with Loctite.
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DJ the main reason I ended up putting the steel breech on was because with that 4 power scope it's going to be much better for accuracy, I also dug up a red dot too but never cared that much for it however I wouldn't have to worry about rings with that, it's a cheap CP but did get the job done when I used it in the past. I still haven't put any of my 19.6 grain through it because the wad cutters seem plenty good for it, I'll try getting back up in the attic with it today to sight it in if I can find good medium rings for it. The 2240 bolt has a better knob on it too plus the bolt/knob assembly I got out of it is definitely locked in place with Loctite.
I want the metal breech so I can mount aftermarket optics and also to make the entire rifle more rigid. I don't like it when rifles rely on a barrel band to keep the barrel from moving. The Alchemy Airwerks custom breeches also have extra grub screws for the barrel, which is a nice touch.
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They are easy to work on, and anyone who has tinkered with one before should have some instinctive memory of the operation and what typically worked in some form in the past will most likely apply.
I think I will slug this barrel before testing BBT slugs, I suspect a slight burr in the barrel port hole, as mine seems pellet picky, when striving for one hole 3-5 shot groups at 10m in a stinger gun rest. In theory the 362 should shoot BBT slugs well, if the barrel is anything close to a Prod barrel.
I just tried chambering a BBT in mine and it's too tight.
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They are easy to work on, and anyone who has tinkered with one before should have some instinctive memory of the operation and what typically worked in some form in the past will most likely apply.
I think I will slug this barrel before testing BBT slugs, I suspect a slight burr in the barrel port hole, as mine seems pellet picky, when striving for one hole 3-5 shot groups at 10m in a stinger gun rest. In theory the 362 should shoot BBT slugs well, if the barrel is anything close to a Prod barrel.
I just tried chambering a BBT in mine and it's too tight.
Maybe they could be sized down?
I'm going to order a 26" .22 barrel at some point, and long term I want to take that barrel to someone that can cut off the choke, put a crown, and set it up to accept Crossman sights, LDC adapters, etc. I'm hoping with the dechoked barrel, piston, valve, and TP upgrades will make this into a competent light weight slug pumper. The original barrel will be left unmodified for pellet use. It sounds like the NOE BBT molds don't need the same kind of speeds other slugs need for accuracy.
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Another issue with the plastic breech.... much of the barrel location and stability relies on the transfer port. the steel breeches have grub screws to lock the barrel from rotating.
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DJ, I'm not sure but I would have to think that the engineers that did the R&D on these picked a 22" barrel for more then just looks. I would think they matched the barrel length with efficiency at 8 pumps.
But then again... I'm not an engineer... :o
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DJ, I'm not sure but I would have to think that the engineers that did the R&D on these picked a 22" barrel for more then just looks. I would think they matched the barrel length with efficiency at 8 pumps.
But then again... I'm not an engineer... :o
I'm sure cost, overall length, and performance were all reasons for the 22" barrel length choice. I'm also planning on hot rod valve and piston, so I'll see the benefits of a longer barrel either way. The fact that other users are reporting a huge volume reduction when going with even a basic LDC tells me there is going to be velocity benefit to a longer barrel. I'm sure there is a point of diminishing returns, but I plan on finding it. The 26" barrel will remain factory for a while, it will take me time to sort out machine work anyway, I have to outsource all of that.
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They are easy to work on, and anyone who has tinkered with one before should have some instinctive memory of the operation and what typically worked in some form in the past will most likely apply.
I think I will slug this barrel before testing BBT slugs, I suspect a slight burr in the barrel port hole, as mine seems pellet picky, when striving for one hole 3-5 shot groups at 10m in a stinger gun rest. In theory the 362 should shoot BBT slugs well, if the barrel is anything close to a Prod barrel.
I just tried chambering a BBT in mine and it's too tight.
The 26" Maximus barrel does not have a choke to cut off.
Maybe they could be sized down?
I'm going to order a 26" .22 barrel at some point, and long term I want to take that barrel to someone that can cut off the choke, put a crown, and set it up to accept Crossman sights, LDC adapters, etc. I'm hoping with the dechoked barrel, piston, valve, and TP upgrades will make this into a competent light weight slug pumper. The original barrel will be left unmodified for pellet use. It sounds like the NOE BBT molds don't need the same kind of speeds other slugs need for accuracy.
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I have the tools and sometimes know what to do with them. :-\ I'm fearing I have caught Avator syndrome, wondering how a Maximus carbine, would be cool, long barrel .22 362 sniper. ??? I may just take apart all the necessary Lego guns and shake them up add new parts that are shipping now for seasoning and bake at room temperature to desired taste. :P
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They are easy to work on, and anyone who has tinkered with one before should have some instinctive memory of the operation and what typically worked in some form in the past will most likely apply.
I think I will slug this barrel before testing BBT slugs, I suspect a slight burr in the barrel port hole, as mine seems pellet picky, when striving for one hole 3-5 shot groups at 10m in a stinger gun rest. In theory the 362 should shoot BBT slugs well, if the barrel is anything close to a Prod barrel.
I just tried chambering a BBT in mine and it's too tight.
Maybe they could be sized down?
I'm going to order a 26" .22 barrel at some point, and long term I want to take that barrel to someone that can cut off the choke, put a crown, and set it up to accept Crossman sights, LDC adapters, etc. I'm hoping with the dechoked barrel, piston, valve, and TP upgrades will make this into a competent light weight slug pumper. The original barrel will be left unmodified for pellet use. It sounds like the NOE BBT molds don't need the same kind of speeds other slugs need for accuracy.
The 26" Maximus barrel does not have a choke to cut off.
Good news! I'll look for one of those specifically.
Edit: Are all 26" crosman barrels unchoked?
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Here's where mine is at right now, I still might put a TKO on it that I also dug up, it's one of the short ones. I was using 5 pumps.
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They are easy to work on, and anyone who has tinkered with one before should have some instinctive memory of the operation and what typically worked in some form in the past will most likely apply.
I think I will slug this barrel before testing BBT slugs, I suspect a slight burr in the barrel port hole, as mine seems pellet picky, when striving for one hole 3-5 shot groups at 10m in a stinger gun rest. In theory the 362 should shoot BBT slugs well, if the barrel is anything close to a Prod barrel.
I just tried chambering a BBT in mine and it's too tight.
Is your mold a .217 or .218?
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It's the 217 Eddie.
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It's the 217 Eddie.
Thanks. Mine is too, so BBTs will probably be a no go for me as well. Still hoping my .25 barrel will work, but it doesn't look promising either.
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Here's where mine is at right now, I still might put a TKO on it that I also dug up, it's one of the short ones. I was using 5 pumps.
Hot Dam, Wayne! .217 it is! ;)
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Well, I must admit, that's the first time I've heard of diminished returns by adding an LDC.
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Well, I must admit, that's the first time I've heard of diminished returns by adding an LDC.
You must also be admitting to having not read the post. I'm saying that if there is a large reduction in noise from adding a LDC to a dump valve air rifle, there is velocity to be gained by lengthening the barrel. Furthermore I specified that there is always a point of diminishing returns in regards to barrel length, and that I would try and find that with the 26" barrel. If you don't like me or want to talk to me, then don't say anything directed at me, you don't have to be snarky or rude.
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DJ, I'm not sure but I would have to think that the engineers that did the R&D on these picked a 22" barrel for more then just looks. I would think they matched the barrel length with efficiency at 8 pumps.
But then again... I'm not an engineer... :o
I'm sure cost, overall length, and performance were all reasons for the 22" barrel length choice. I'm also planning on hot rod valve and piston, so I'll see the benefits of a longer barrel either way. The fact that other users are reporting a huge volume reduction when going with even a basic LDC tells me there is going to be velocity benefit to a longer barrel. I'm sure there is a point of diminishing returns, but I plan on finding it. The 26" barrel will remain factory for a while, it will take me time to sort out machine work anyway, I have to outsource all of that.
This is what I read and I do apologize if my reply felt snarky to you, I assure you, that was not my intent.
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After rereading your post, I see where I confused what I read...
Apologies.
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The Crosman 411 target sight set will fit the 362....
The front sight is grooved for the front globe sight!
But, the sight blade will have to be removed..........
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My c362 just came in today. It's basically a tropic storm outside, so maybe some shooting tomorrow. The included pellets visually look pretty decent, but the lack of padding means they are probably a bit beat up from the trip.
The pumping clack is loud, so if someone could post a picture of where they added sound deadening material, I would really appreciate it.
The shooting performance at 25 yards will determine what kind of metal breech I get. If the irons are just totally unacceptable, which I don't think will be the case, I'll go with a steel breech and the Williams peep. Most likely I'll get an Alchemy Airwerks Aluminum breech with a brass bolt and handle. Eventually I'll get a brass trigger when there is a drop in option, my "machining" tools are very minimal. There are also some nice brass "muzzle brakes" that might make for a bit more bling, but at the same time I don't want to make things any heavier. I still look longingly at the Alchemy brass breech, but I think the shiny finish will drive me nuts with finger prints, oily residue, glare, etc.
I know this is built to a price point, but the c362 plastic breech is nowhere near as nice as the plastic breech on my Daisy 901. It just feels cheap. Otherwise the rest of the rifle feels much nicer than the $100 price point indicates.
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DJ, I'm not sure but I would have to think that the engineers that did the R&D on these picked a 22" barrel for more then just looks. I would think they matched the barrel length with efficiency at 8 pumps.
But then again... I'm not an engineer... :o
I'm sure cost, overall length, and performance were all reasons for the 22" barrel length choice. I'm also planning on hot rod valve and piston, so I'll see the benefits of a longer barrel either way. The fact that other users are reporting a huge volume reduction when going with even a basic LDC tells me there is going to be velocity benefit to a longer barrel. I'm sure there is a point of diminishing returns, but I plan on finding it. The 26" barrel will remain factory for a while, it will take me time to sort out machine work anyway, I have to outsource all of that.
This is what I read and I do apologize if my reply felt snarky to you, I assure you, that was not my intent.
Thank you for apologizing.
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Does the c362 have the "long" probe from the factory? Would it be an upgrade to go with an extended probe?
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Yes... long probe (top) compared to Backpacker .22 probe (below).
(http://ssl.tko22.com/C362/probe.jpg)
Mike
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Yes... long probe (top) compared to Backpacker .22 probe (below).
(http://ssl.tko22.com/C362/probe.jpg)
Mike
Thanks for posting that!
The more I look at the factory irons the more I want a steel breech and a Williams peep sight.
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Just got mine from Pyramid Air, only had time to shoot four pellets.
All shots were five pumps at 10 yards standing In the Biathlete stance. One each on the three metal spinners. You can see the larger pellet splash of the .22 caliber among the other.177 pellet hits. The water bottle was my very first shot, almost a center of mass hit marked with the strip of white paper I checked the bore with before I shot it.
I shot one Beeman Silver arrow at the smallest spinner and the other three were Crosman premier hollow points. I chose not to shoot a Crow Magnum or a Kodiak because those are heavier pellets that would need 7 or 8 pumps to make a flatter trajectory.
I shot the peep sight as it was adjusted from the factory, unless Pyramid did something.
The trigger confused me at first. I slowly squeezed and It fired, but on the fourth shot I could hold it right before it fired. I like this trigger but hey only four shots.
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Well.... Lookie here! Crosman apparently didn't like my cart just sitting there unpaid for and shot me a "Free Shipping" coupon for the steel breech. Oh Happy Day!! ;D
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I got my 362 from Crosman today on the brown truck. I am impressed. I've been shooting mostly vintage guns the last few years but had to have one of these. Crosman has gone back to their roots with this rifle, I think it's the best pumper they have produced since the 1400 went away in 1978. As I was zeroing in at 20 yards, I soon realized there was not sufficient windage adjustment for the rear sight. Gun was shooting to the right. So, I grabbed a Mac1 mount I had on hand and clapped on a scope. Shot a little over 100 rounds, played around with different pellets, RWS 11.9 gr Hobby goes 680 fps with 8 pumps, H&N 9.5 gr does 740.
JSB 18 gr makes just shy of 600. Shot 5 consecutive dime-size groups with 4 pumps and 14.3 gr JSB, just over 500 fps. Right out of the box, just gave it a couple drops of oil and started shooting. Great little rifle!
Does anyone know how to safely remove the front sight?
(https://i.imgur.com/EH4A3ff.jpg)
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I got my 362 from Crosman today on the brown truck. I am impressed. I've been shooting mostly vintage guns the last few years but had to have one of these. Crosman has gone back to their roots with this rifle, I think it's the best pumper they have produced since the 1400 went away in 1978. As I was zeroing in at 20 yards, I soon realized there was not sufficient windage adjustment for the rear sight. Gun was shooting to the right. So, I grabbed a Mac1 mount I had on hand and clapped on a scope. Shot a little over 100 rounds, played around with different pellets, RWS 11.9 gr Hobby goes 680 fps with 8 pumps, H&N 9.5 gr does 740.
JSB 18 gr makes just shy of 600. Shot 5 consecutive dime-size groups with 4 pumps and 14.3 gr JSB, just over 500 fps. Right out of the box, just gave it a couple drops of oil and started shooting. Great little rifle!
Does anyone know how to safely remove the front sight?
(https://i.imgur.com/EH4A3ff.jpg)
Twist and pull. No adhesive on mine.
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or gently tap the front site with a block of wood. Should come off easy.
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I'm really close to ordering a Crosman steel breech and Williams diopter sight. For some reason I didn't realize the factory sight didn't have windage adjustments until I had the rifle in my hand. It seems that PA has the best deal on either of them. Does PA offer a fiber front sight for these Crosman barrels?
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I'm really close to ordering a Crosman steel breech and Williams diopter sight. For some reason I didn't realize the factory sight didn't have windage adjustments until I had the rifle in my hand. It seems that PA has the best deal on either of them. Does PA offer a fiber front sight for these Crosman barrels?
You can loosen the rear sight/breech hold down screw and slide the rear sight left/right. Not much adjustment though. Also be sure your front sight is centered vertically. It can move a bit on the barrel and if not centered might not have enough rear sight movement to get it sighted in.
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I'm really close to ordering a Crosman steel breech and Williams diopter sight. For some reason I didn't realize the factory sight didn't have windage adjustments until I had the rifle in my hand. It seems that PA has the best deal on either of them. Does PA offer a fiber front sight for these Crosman barrels?
The rear sight has about 2" of left to right adjustment at 10m, or at least mine did.
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I'm really close to ordering a Crosman steel breech and Williams diopter sight. For some reason I didn't realize the factory sight didn't have windage adjustments until I had the rifle in my hand. It seems that PA has the best deal on either of them. Does PA offer a fiber front sight for these Crosman barrels?
You can loosen the rear sight/breech hold down screw and slide the rear sight left/right. Not much adjustment though. Also be sure your front sight is centered vertically. It can move a bit on the barrel and if not centered might not have enough rear sight movement to get it sighted in.
The rear sight has about 2" of left to right adjustment at 10m, or at least mine did.
It will suffice for now, I assume, but I am definitely wanting something more precise. I was 40/40 with iron sights on range day when I was in the Army, but I had an elevation adjustable front sight and a windage adjustable rear. Are there any setups like this for these Crosman guns? Maybe a "muzzle brake" that has dovetail or pic rails for aftermarket adjustable front sights?
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Steel breech purchased... Check!
Brass Baker trigger purchased... Check!
Doubling what you paid for the gun originally... Priceless!
Seriously though, the breech and trigger are really entertainment monies as well as mental health donations. You have no idea (well, you actually may, what do I know?) the kind of stresses life drops in my lap and I need a way to find a "Zen" of sorts to work off the aggression, frustration, aggravation and sadness so that I can go back to work with a neutral mind set.
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I'm really close to ordering a Crosman steel breech and Williams diopter sight. For some reason I didn't realize the factory sight didn't have windage adjustments until I had the rifle in my hand. It seems that PA has the best deal on either of them. Does PA offer a fiber front sight for these Crosman barrels?
You can loosen the rear sight/breech hold down screw and slide the rear sight left/right. Not much adjustment though. Also be sure your front sight is centered vertically. It can move a bit on the barrel and if not centered might not have enough rear sight movement to get it sighted in.
The rear sight has about 2" of left to right adjustment at 10m, or at least mine did.
It will suffice for now, I assume, but I am definitely wanting something more precise. I was 40/40 with iron sights on range day when I was in the Army, but I had an elevation adjustable front sight and a windage adjustable rear. Are there any setups like this for these Crosman guns? Maybe a "muzzle brake" that has dovetail or pic rails for aftermarket adjustable front sights?
The Crosman 411 target sights will mount right on to the steel breech and front sight, but you need to remove the blade from the front sight to put the globe on.
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DJ, I'm not sure but I would have to think that the engineers that did the R&D on these picked a 22" barrel for more then just looks. I would think they matched the barrel length with efficiency at 8 pumps.
But then again... I'm not an engineer... :o
I'm sure cost, overall length, and performance were all reasons for the 22" barrel length choice. I'm also planning on hot rod valve and piston, so I'll see the benefits of a longer barrel either way. The fact that other users are reporting a huge volume reduction when going with even a basic LDC tells me there is going to be velocity benefit to a longer barrel. I'm sure there is a point of diminishing returns, but I plan on finding it. The 26" barrel will remain factory for a while, it will take me time to sort out machine work anyway, I have to outsource all of that.
This is what I read and I do apologize if my reply felt snarky to you, I assure you, that was not my intent.
Thank you for apologizing.
Let's see... Bill misreads your post. You come back all snarky and rude and call Bill snarky and rude. Bill bends over backwards, apologizing in two separate posts when all he did was innocently misread your post, and all you do is say "thank you for apologizing"?
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I received my 362 a few days ago. I ordered it directly from Crosman and it shipped with a free tin of 13.7 grain crosman domed pellets. The overall feel and look of the gun are definitely at a much higher level than a Daisy 880, Daisy 901, or Crosman 2100. This is the nicest pumper I've owned. I really like the sight picture. Despite the frustrating nature of the sight adjustment, once you get it zeroed it works well. I have not chronographed the gun yet, due to crummy weather, but I have shot it a litte. I also cleaned the bore before use. It was filthy straight from Crosman but cleaned up easily.
The trigger is a 2-stage as far as feel. I have not disassembled the trigger yet, but it looks much like the one on my Discovery, so a trigger job will likely be straightforward. Out of the box the first stage is 1 lb of take-up and fairly long. The second stage has some creep, but not a lot, and breaks with an additional 3 pounds of pressure. Though it's a 4 pound trigger, it doesn't feel that heavy due to the 2-stage pull. I don't think the trigger will hold the gun back.
I tried 7 different types of pellets: Crosman Premiers, Crosman Premier HP, JSB 18.3, Crosman 13.7 grain domed, H&N Excite wadcutters, H&N Field Target Trophy, and Crosman Pointed. I fired all shots at 25 yards, from a seated and rested position using an adjustable front rest, and a sock full of gravel as a rear bag on top of a Caldwell Stable Table Lite. I used the factory sights and fired 5-shot groups. All testing was done at 8 pumps.
The results were not really what I was hoping for. The gun was not pellet picky, which is normally a good thing, but it never really found a pellet it liked either. All the pellets tested landed in groups varying from 1.25" to 1.75". I'm a pretty decent shot with peep sights and my rest is solid. It was a bit windy, but not enough to dramatically skew the results. I think this is representative of what the rifle is capable of with the pellets I have on hand (most of which are Crosman pellets). So, honestly I am a bit diasappointed in these results. This is similar accuracy to my 1322. Given the obvious design similarities I expected the longer sight radius and increased velocity to deliver superior accuracy at 25 yards. I inspected the crown and it looks great, and the bore looked slick and clean after I ran a few patches through it. Maybe I am expecting too much from a sub-$100 air rifle. What do you guys think?
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So far I'm very happy with the C362, you sure the heck ain't going to find a pumper that's brand new these days that will perform like this one does in .22 caliber. I never really was a fan of .177 simply because a .22
is so much better for hunting. When I clicked the button on this one I had already made up my mind that I'd be using the gun for back yard pesting along with after squirrel season for hunting red squirrels here
because of the fact they're open year round here. I was planning on starting out with my cast wad cutters which shoot excellent from my vintage co2 pistols and I must say they're perfect in this gun IMO. When I got
mine I was happy that what most of what people had previously stated about the gun was real. The stock is probably the best plastic stock I've ever got on an airgun, if Crosman does eventually make a wood stock
available for this gun I'll be buying one. I did enjoy shooting it with the peep sights but finally made up my mind that I had to put a steel breech on it to mount a scope. I put the first BugBuster scope that I bought
probably five years ago on it which has probably been on 5 different guns since I bought it.
Here's what it looks like now since putting on the steel breech and scope.
(https://i.imgur.com/Vxg9Bkc.jpg)
These wad cutters really shoot great from it and I'm sure that I'll try the heavier stuff but haven't yet.
(https://i.imgur.com/yNEfFlk.jpg)
Here are two five shot groups that I did with it which put a smile on my face, I just love it when a plan works out this well.
(https://i.imgur.com/vD1g3cR.jpg)
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DJ, I'm not sure but I would have to think that the engineers that did the R&D on these picked a 22" barrel for more then just looks. I would think they matched the barrel length with efficiency at 8 pumps.
But then again... I'm not an engineer... :o
I'm sure cost, overall length, and performance were all reasons for the 22" barrel length choice. I'm also planning on hot rod valve and piston, so I'll see the benefits of a longer barrel either way. The fact that other users are reporting a huge volume reduction when going with even a basic LDC tells me there is going to be velocity benefit to a longer barrel. I'm sure there is a point of diminishing returns, but I plan on finding it. The 26" barrel will remain factory for a while, it will take me time to sort out machine work anyway, I have to outsource all of that.
This is what I read and I do apologize if my reply felt snarky to you, I assure you, that was not my intent.
Thank you for apologizing.
Let's see... Bill misreads your post. You come back all snarky and rude and call Bill snarky and rude. Bill bends over backwards, apologizing in two separate posts when all he did was innocently misread your post, and all you do is say "thank you for apologizing"?
Randy, I appreciate the support but, it's all good.
DJ and I also spoke in PM and we're good to go.
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or gently tap the front site with a block of wood. Should come off easy.
Thanks for that, guys.
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DJ, I'm not sure but I would have to think that the engineers that did the R&D on these picked a 22" barrel for more then just looks. I would think they matched the barrel length with efficiency at 8 pumps.
But then again... I'm not an engineer... :o
I'm sure cost, overall length, and performance were all reasons for the 22" barrel length choice. I'm also planning on hot rod valve and piston, so I'll see the benefits of a longer barrel either way. The fact that other users are reporting a huge volume reduction when going with even a basic LDC tells me there is going to be velocity benefit to a longer barrel. I'm sure there is a point of diminishing returns, but I plan on finding it. The 26" barrel will remain factory for a while, it will take me time to sort out machine work anyway, I have to outsource all of that.
This is what I read and I do apologize if my reply felt snarky to you, I assure you, that was not my intent.
Thank you for apologizing.
Let's see... Bill misreads your post. You come back all snarky and rude and call Bill snarky and rude. Bill bends over backwards, apologizing in two separate posts when all he did was innocently misread your post, and all you do is say "thank you for apologizing"?
What else was I supposed to do besides thank him and accept his apology? That's called manners where I'm from. It would have been ungracious for me to have just said nothing. What would your solution have been?
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I received my 362 a few days ago. I ordered it directly from Crosman and it shipped with a free tin of 13.7 grain crosman domed pellets. The overall feel and look of the gun are definitely at a much higher level than a Daisy 880, Daisy 901, or Crosman 2100. This is the nicest pumper I've owned. I really like the sight picture. Despite the frustrating nature of the sight adjustment, once you get it zeroed it works well. I have not chronographed the gun yet, due to crummy weather, but I have shot it a litte. I also cleaned the bore before use. It was filthy straight from Crosman but cleaned up easily.
The trigger is a 2-stage as far as feel. I have not disassembled the trigger yet, but it looks much like the one on my Discovery, so a trigger job will likely be straightforward. Out of the box the first stage is 1 lb of take-up and fairly long. The second stage has some creep, but not a lot, and breaks with an additional 3 pounds of pressure. Though it's a 4 pound trigger, it doesn't feel that heavy due to the 2-stage pull. I don't think the trigger will hold the gun back.
I tried 7 different types of pellets: Crosman Premiers, Crosman Premier HP, JSB 18.3, Crosman 13.7 grain domed, H&N Excite wadcutters, H&N Field Target Trophy, and Crosman Pointed. I fired all shots at 25 yards, from a seated and rested position using an adjustable front rest, and a sock full of gravel as a rear bag on top of a Caldwell Stable Table Lite. I used the factory sights and fired 5-shot groups. All testing was done at 8 pumps.
The results were not really what I was hoping for. The gun was not pellet picky, which is normally a good thing, but it never really found a pellet it liked either. All the pellets tested landed in groups varying from 1.25" to 1.75". I'm a pretty decent shot with peep sights and my rest is solid. It was a bit windy, but not enough to dramatically skew the results. I think this is representative of what the rifle is capable of with the pellets I have on hand (most of which are Crosman pellets). So, honestly I am a bit diasappointed in these results. This is similar accuracy to my 1322. Given the obvious design similarities I expected the longer sight radius and increased velocity to deliver superior accuracy at 25 yards. I inspected the crown and it looks great, and the bore looked slick and clean after I ran a few patches through it. Maybe I am expecting too much from a sub-$100 air rifle. What do you guys think?
Try some more pellets. The best I found so far are JSB (big shock) 14.3 gr. At four pumps, about as accurate as any of my Sheridans. I think there is great accuracy pontential in this rifle. Best pumper Crosman has made in almost a half century. Classic design, not made to look like something else.
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I was hoping the wind would die down today as forecasted, but the wind is still at a steady 15 MPH and gaining steady to 20 MPH for the rest of the day...
I took the velcro/slip knot sling off my d901 and put it on the c362. It works well, but I would like to do something more permanent in the future. I also painted the back side of the front sight blade for a bit of a visual/target acquisition improvement. Probably going with a Crosman Steel breech and a Williams diopter sight.
Hopefully I can shoot soon, this weather has really been crummy lately.
Has anyone ordered from Mountain Air Custom Airguns before? They have some of the better prices on aftermarket stuff for the Crosman guns.
I tried to attach pics, but it keeps saying they are too big, despite bot being 400kb.
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Yesterday was more pellet testing,, seems if a pellet is not accurate with X number of pumps try at a different pump count. I was testing full 8 pumps for the most accuracy with power, I found the Poly-mag and metal mag, along with H&N Hunter extremes, and AA 16 gr were all a very tight single hole at 10 yards. the rest out of the 15 types of pellets were OK for random can patrol. 8 pumps with the H&N Hunter Extreme were giving 560 FPS 13.23 FPE, delivered accurately. This is still with the plastic breach and Buck Rail scope mounts.
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Has anyone ordered from Mountain Air Custom Airguns before? They have some of the better prices on aftermarket stuff for the Crosman guns.
I have but it's been awhile. I've talked to Roy on the phone and he seems like a good guy. I can't remember what I ordered but I think it was some valve parts or something similar. He's another one that's located here in Georgia.
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Has anyone ordered from Mountain Air Custom Airguns before? They have some of the better prices on aftermarket stuff for the Crosman guns.
I have but it's been awhile. I've talked to Roy on the phone and he seems like a good guy. I can't remember what I ordered but I think it was some valve parts or something similar. He's another one that's located here in Georgia.
I have ordered quite a bit from Mountain Air over the years such as flat top valve and piston, LW barrel top end kit and cut down to carbine size Disco tubes. All have been top notch products. The flat top kit was the best I have tried from several makers. The way the flat top piston is designed the threaded rod adjuster can be replaced with any length rod to fine tune for custom tube lengths and, unless he has changed it, had two O rings at the front instead of one.
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Has anyone ordered from Mountain Air Custom Airguns before? They have some of the better prices on aftermarket stuff for the Crosman guns.
I have but it's been awhile. I've talked to Roy on the phone and he seems like a good guy. I can't remember what I ordered but I think it was some valve parts or something similar. He's another one that's located here in Georgia.
I have ordered quite a bit from Mountain Air over the years such as flat top valve and piston, LW barrel top end kit and cut down to carbine size Disco tubes. All have been top notch products. The flat top kit was the best I have tried from several makers. The way the flat top piston is designed the threaded rod adjuster can be replaced with any length rod to fine tune for custom tube lengths and, unless he has changed it, had two O rings at the front instead of one.
Thank you for both of your replies!
The prices for the flat top valve and piston are probably half of what I've seen from other vendors, which are supposedly not very good anyway. It will probably be a while till I upgrade the tube internals, since I don't know what I'm doing. Hopefully others will do the upgrades soon and take plenty of photos or videos.
Do the muzzle brakes do anything besides add bling and weight to the tip of the barrel? I've been looking for something with dovetail rails (or pic rails) to put on the end of the barrel so I can mount aftermarket front sights.
I also feel pretty dumb because I just figured out what everyone else meant about there being a windage adjustment! I see the lines and index on the top of the breech where you can adjust it side to side. For some reason I thought everyone meant the tombstone could be moved side to side. Maybe I won't go with a Williams Diopter and snag an aluminum breech instead. I wish this wind would die down so I can shoot this thing!
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Some of my notoriously bad photos....
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Some of my notoriously bad photos....
Have you tried it out yet?
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Some of my notoriously bad photos....
Have you tried it out yet?
Not yet...too cold!
Later today.....
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Some of my notoriously bad photos....
Have you tried it out yet?
Not yet...too cold!
Later today.....
I really look forward to seeing how it goes for you.
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I am thinking along the same lines, just got theses in, flip up battle sights anyone ??? I will line them up using Buck rail Weaver barrel mounts.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8416)
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I am thinking along the same lines, just got theses in, flip up battle sights anyone ??? I will line them up using Buck rail Weaver barrel mounts.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8416)
I was thinking about doing the same thing, but going with dovetail. It's a shame the barrel band wasn't made with dovetail grooves like the SPA stuff, that would make it super easy.
Instead of the AR style sights, I'm also considering doing the Williams rear sight and getting a hooded Truglo front sight. The sun is out, so I may try shooting a bit to at least see if I like the factory sights at all.
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Cool idea, James! I have a few flip-ups from AR projects I can try out using the Buck Rail mounts in the mail today.
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I really look forward to seeing how it goes for you.
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It was necessary to slide the sight a tad rearward to clear the bolt, but no big deal.
I was able to adjust it to shoot right where I wanted it to, but need better light to see my target.
All in all, it worked out well!
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I really look forward to seeing how it goes for you.
I had to adjust the rear sight back a bit to clear the bolt handle, but that was no big deal.
I need more light to see my target, but was stacking into one ragged hole to the best of my ability once adjusted.
It does have changeable inserts.
Too bad that Mr. Geo isn't making LDC's any more. He would put a dovetail on them for the front sights globes.
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I really look forward to seeing how it goes for you.
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It was necessary to slide the sight a tad rearward to clear the bolt, but no big deal.
I was able to adjust it to shoot right where I wanted it to, but need better light to see my target.
All in all, it worked out well!
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How much taller is the Williams compared to the OEM tombstone?
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How much taller is the Williams compared to the OEM tombstone?
This is not a Williams...It is a Crosman 411
Asbestos I could eyeball with a precision measuring instrument (digital caliper)
the C/L of the front sight is about .588" above the top of the ramp at the base of the blade.
So..........subtract the height of the blade and there you will have it!
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Cool idea, James! I have a few flip-ups from AR projects I can try out using the Buck Rail mounts in the mail today.
Mounted sighted in and I like :) Thinking about seeing if the micro-dot sight would line up as a co-witness.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8417)
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Does this mean the buck rails sit pretty even with the steel breech dovetail rails? I'm torn between the Williams sight and a globe front or getting some AR style flip ups.
Today I shot a few groups but could not get enough windage adjustment. It's a bit breezy and the included Crosman Domed pellets don't visually look great. My arms will definitely be getting a workout! It's not as easy to pump up to eight pumps as I had hoped. I also managed to pinch the tip of my pinky finger where the pump forearm meets the rest of the stock.
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Does this mean the buck rails sit pretty even with the steel breech dovetail rails? I'm torn between the Williams sight and a globe front or getting some AR style flip ups.
Today I shot a few groups but could not get enough windage adjustment. It's a bit breezy and the included Crosman Domed pellets don't visually look great. My arms will definitely be getting a workout! It's not as easy to pump up to eight pumps as I had hoped. I also managed to pinch the tip of my pinky finger where the pump forearm meets the rest of the stock.
The buck rail sit higher than the metal breach, I still have the plastic breach on this one, and use 1 BR mount front and 1 rear.
As far as pinch points, I was just thinking I have not found one yet, guess you did. :)
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I guess I didn't even think about pinching since I have had "clackers" all my life and instinctively keep all my fingers on the hand grip.
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I'm close to ordering the Williams sight and steel breech from PA. Are they still doing the buy three tins and get one for free? The weather has not been cooperating for casting and I'm running low on my NOE pellets. I'm thinking about trying the H&N Excite WC pellets for a cheap 50 yard and less plinking pellet, some Predator GTO's (dead accurate in .177 out of my 901 and .177 Chaser rifle barrel), and maybe something else. I've seen folks are having success with AA and Crosman Premier pellets. Any other cheap and accurate pellets?
I can't believe the price on the Crosman "Essential" pellets that came with the rifle. Many of mine are dented up from the long trip across terrible roads. They could have at least put some foam in the tin for $10/each.
I'm fairly new to pumpers, with my 901 being my only other experience since shooting a friends Daisy back in grade school.
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Mine was delivered today, and I ran home long enough to check it over. I must say I'm impressed for the most part. It does need some tweaking, but right out of the box (I didn't have time to clean the barrel) on 3 pumps it was minute of sweet gum ball at 10-12 yards with the factory sights and the included Crosman pellets. I shot 6 or 7 times on only missed once.
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I don't suppose there are part numbers/diagrams available anywhere yet? I just checked the Crosman website and don't see any manuals for it currently.
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I forgot to mention that I held my .25 caliber barrel up next to it, and it looks like it will be long enough. I don't think there's enough material on the barrel band to accommodate the bigger barrel though.
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I forgot to mention that I held my .25 caliber barrel up next to it, and it looks like it will be long enough. I don't think there's enough material on the barrel band to accommodate the bigger barrel though.
Can you reduce the OD of the .25 cal barrel to fit the band?
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I forgot to mention that I held my .25 caliber barrel up next to it, and it looks like it will be long enough. I don't think there's enough material on the barrel band to accommodate the bigger barrel though.
Can you reduce the OD of the .25 cal barrel to fit the band?
I'm thinking more along the lines of cutting the barrel band off. I don't think it will be needed with the steel breech. I think someone mentioned that the Alchemy breech has 2 set screws, so that's what I'll probably end up with since I have the wrong Crosman breech.
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I forgot to mention that I held my .25 caliber barrel up next to it, and it looks like it will be long enough. I don't think there's enough material on the barrel band to accommodate the bigger barrel though.
Can you reduce the OD of the .25 cal barrel to fit the band?
I'm thinking more along the lines of cutting the barrel band off. I don't think it will be needed with the steel breech. I think someone mentioned that the Alchemy breech has 2 set screws, so that's what I'll probably end up with since I have the wrong Crosman breech.
I agree that with the steel breech the need for a barrel band is questionable. But, I have seen where someone cut the band so that a y was left to support the barrel. or a U maybe ...... Might want to do something like that. Help some if the gun got bumped.
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I forgot to mention that I held my .25 caliber barrel up next to it, and it looks like it will be long enough. I don't think there's enough material on the barrel band to accommodate the bigger barrel though.
Can you reduce the OD of the .25 cal barrel to fit the band?
I'm thinking more along the lines of cutting the barrel band off. I don't think it will be needed with the steel breech. I think someone mentioned that the Alchemy breech has 2 set screws, so that's what I'll probably end up with since I have the wrong Crosman breech.
I agree that with the steel breech the need for a barrel band is questionable. But, I have seen where someone cut the band so that a y was left to support the barrel. or a U maybe ...... Might want to do something like that. Help some if the gun got bumped.
That's what I'm planning. I was thinking of just cutting the top half off and widening the rest for the barrel to sit in.
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Sounds like a good time to get a .20cal Lothar Walther barrel. From the limited chrony results with 14.3 .22 cphp's, velocity is on par with the Benji 392/7s and the Dans...
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Here is my preliminary data so far for my first shooting after cleaning the barrel and centering the sights. I started with 2 pumps and increased the pressure one pump at a time. Yes, I broke the laws of the universe and went all the way to 10 pumps (*GASP*) just to see what I would end up with. I had some interesting outcomes and I was thrilled with the consistency of the group sizes across the board.
I am not posting the targets, this was not about accuracy at all, I was getting more blur every shot I took so as long as I kept the black dot in the center of the sight, I knew I was in the middle so the center to center sizes stayed relatively similar.
All shots were made with the widely available Crosman Premier Hollow Points, 13.9 gr at 10 meters from a light weight rest.
Here we go!
2 Pumps, 375, 379, 358, 373, 364 =374 average *.55" ctc
3 Pumps, 449, 457, 452, 459, 455 =454 average *.64" ctc
4 Pumps, 518, 500, 484, 507, 519 =505 average *.48" ctc 500!
5 Pumps, 549, 549, 567, 570, 582 =563 average *.64" ctc
6 Pumps, 593, 611, 596, 581, 598 =595 average *.60" ctc 600!
7 Pumps, 583, 585, 606, 587, 626 =597 average *.47" ctc
8 Pumps, 668, 668, 673, 671, 668 =670 average *.35" ctc
9 Pumps, 653, 685, 659, 653, 661 =662 average *.44" ctc
10 Pumps, 702, 702, 705, 706, 707 =704 average *.30" ctc 700!
These two were an eye opener, 8 pumps seems to be the wall then we actually hit 700 fps at 10 pumps! WHOOT!!
8 Pumps, 668, 668, 673, 671, 668 =670 average *.35" ctc
9 Pumps, 653, 685, 659, 653, 661 =662 average *.44" ctc [/size][/font]
What was your range? I'm strongly considering order four tins of CPHP's since they seem to group well out of these guns.
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Every once in a while I get a puff of air from around the bolt, and the handle will also pop up a bit. The whole bolt/probe assembly just feels very "loose"
Are there some screws I need to tighten somewhere? I swear I can feel the plastic breech flexing when I'm going up to 6+ pumps.
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DJ..
That's one of the reasons we use the steel breaches on the 'lego' guns.
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DJ..
That's one of the reasons we use the steel breaches on the 'lego' guns.
I take it the metal breech solves a lot of the floppy bolt problems? My PA cart has the Williams Diopter sight and a steel breech, but it takes me a while to make up my mind. The two things together cost as much as the rifle, so I'm hesitant. I'm maxed out on windage adjustment with the stock sight, which is a big disappointment since it's just barely grouping where I aim. My hope was to get an aluminum or brass breech from Alchemy and use the stock sight, but clearly that's not going to work for me.
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The floppy bolt is most likely to be probe o-ring related.
But yes, as you would imagine, plastic wears faster than metal.
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The floppy bolt is most likely to be probe o-ring related.
But yes, as you would imagine, plastic wears faster than metal.
The o-ring looks great, maybe it just has a bit too much lube on it or something. I put a drop or two of silicone lube around the o-ring and probe end.
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Here's a video I did early this morning up in my attic with my C362, it's a long one but will give anyone that's thinking about getting one of these guns what kind of accuracy they might get with one. I had to re upload it because any video that's longer than 15 minutes needs to verify their youtube account to do so.
https://youtu.be/_bCE4MOnKX0
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Watching it now. Good shooting!
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Here is my preliminary data so far for my first shooting after cleaning the barrel and centering the sights. I started with 2 pumps and increased the pressure one pump at a time. Yes, I broke the laws of the universe and went all the way to 10 pumps (*GASP*) just to see what I would end up with. I had some interesting outcomes and I was thrilled with the consistency of the group sizes across the board.
I am not posting the targets, this was not about accuracy at all, I was getting more blur every shot I took so as long as I kept the black dot in the center of the sight, I knew I was in the middle so the center to center sizes stayed relatively similar.
All shots were made with the widely available Crosman Premier Hollow Points, 13.9 gr at 10 meters from a light weight rest.
Here we go!
2 Pumps, 375, 379, 358, 373, 364 =374 average *.55" ctc
3 Pumps, 449, 457, 452, 459, 455 =454 average *.64" ctc
4 Pumps, 518, 500, 484, 507, 519 =505 average *.48" ctc 500!
5 Pumps, 549, 549, 567, 570, 582 =563 average *.64" ctc
6 Pumps, 593, 611, 596, 581, 598 =595 average *.60" ctc 600!
7 Pumps, 583, 585, 606, 587, 626 =597 average *.47" ctc
8 Pumps, 668, 668, 673, 671, 668 =670 average *.35" ctc
9 Pumps, 653, 685, 659, 653, 661 =662 average *.44" ctc
10 Pumps, 702, 702, 705, 706, 707 =704 average *.30" ctc 700!
These two were an eye opener, 8 pumps seems to be the wall then we actually hit 700 fps at 10 pumps! WHOOT!!
8 Pumps, 668, 668, 673, 671, 668 =670 average *.35" ctc
9 Pumps, 653, 685, 659, 653, 661 =662 average *.44" ctc [/size][/font]
What was your range? I'm strongly considering order four tins of CPHP's since they seem to group well out of these guns.
10 meters. Try the domes too, they gave me even smaller groups.
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Looks like you got it dialed in pretty good Wayne.
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I think I'm going to try both 19.6 grain meplat and 24.4 grain 218-25-RF slugs in one of those double targets, I'll do five shots each starting with slugs, I'll bring my camera back up there. I'm going to leave the sights where they are for the wad cutters.
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Yup hanging out in your attic cheering you an Wayne :)
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Yup hanging out in your attic cheering you an Wayne :)
Wayne has inspired me to convert my empty attic into a range. I just set up some lights and a backstop and I plan on shooting after lunch. It's only about 28' for the total range, but should be plenty to figure out if my factory iron sight is going to work or not, and I really want it to work.
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Here is my preliminary data so far for my first shooting after cleaning the barrel and centering the sights. I started with 2 pumps and increased the pressure one pump at a time. Yes, I broke the laws of the universe and went all the way to 10 pumps (*GASP*) just to see what I would end up with. I had some interesting outcomes and I was thrilled with the consistency of the group sizes across the board.
I am not posting the targets, this was not about accuracy at all, I was getting more blur every shot I took so as long as I kept the black dot in the center of the sight, I knew I was in the middle so the center to center sizes stayed relatively similar.
All shots were made with the widely available Crosman Premier Hollow Points, 13.9 gr at 10 meters from a light weight rest.
Here we go!
2 Pumps, 375, 379, 358, 373, 364 =374 average *.55" ctc
3 Pumps, 449, 457, 452, 459, 455 =454 average *.64" ctc
4 Pumps, 518, 500, 484, 507, 519 =505 average *.48" ctc 500!
5 Pumps, 549, 549, 567, 570, 582 =563 average *.64" ctc
6 Pumps, 593, 611, 596, 581, 598 =595 average *.60" ctc 600!
7 Pumps, 583, 585, 606, 587, 626 =597 average *.47" ctc
8 Pumps, 668, 668, 673, 671, 668 =670 average *.35" ctc
9 Pumps, 653, 685, 659, 653, 661 =662 average *.44" ctc
10 Pumps, 702, 702, 705, 706, 707 =704 average *.30" ctc 700!
These two were an eye opener, 8 pumps seems to be the wall then we actually hit 700 fps at 10 pumps! WHOOT!!
8 Pumps, 668, 668, 673, 671, 668 =670 average *.35" ctc
9 Pumps, 653, 685, 659, 653, 661 =662 average *.44" ctc [/size][/font]
What was your range? I'm strongly considering order four tins of CPHP's since they seem to group well out of these guns.
10 meters. Try the domes too, they gave me even smaller groups.
Looks like all three Crosman Premier pellets group well, based on this thread and a few others. I'm thinking about getting one of each and trying out the Predator GTO's.
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The most impresive thing to me is the FPE per pump the 362 achieves. Almost seems too good to be true for a 21 inch barrel with a 13xx valve and 2x00 pump. Has anybody measured the pump stroke yet?
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After some more fiddling and shooting at 28-ish feet in my attic I'm getting very nice groups, even with the included pellets. My own cast pellets group tightly, but low and to the left a few inches, good news and I won't always have to max out the adjustment on my rear sight. With all this in mind I'm really leaning strongly towards the Alchemy Airwerks brass breech. Maybe I'll get the Williams Diopter sight when I pick up the new Seneca DF II. Next time I ascend to the attic I'll get some photos of my "range".
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stroke is 6-1/2"
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stroke is 6-1/2"
That would explain the extra power. The 2x00 is a 5 inch stroke.
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tube i.d. is about .62" and valve is about .1 c.i. ; that gives a compression ratio of about 19.6 to 1...
so at low pump numbers we at looking at about 280 psi built per stroke if ambient pressure is 14.3 psi... 8 pumps at 100% efficiency would be 2240 psi...
but in reality pump efficiency is down as psi rises... so lets multiply by .65 and probable psi at 8 pumps is about 1550-1650 psi...
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=77463.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=77463.0)
John/Sir is there any chance you will share poppet shaft diam and poppet pocket diameter..?
in a while will be getting at least two more 362s one for a .20 barrel...and one to tear down and mod so will know sooner or later... poppet head material 13xx or Mrod..?
so yep just first 3 (.177 .20 and .22) will be stock/reversible mods only... #4 will be valve volume(.13ci) and porting mods... maybe a wood stock and sleeve barrel to .5 with a barrel band just in front of Breech and custom front barrel band...
well anyways Thank you John I love the new platform it KICKS...
The 1377 platform has been around(and supported) since the late 70's... Bet the 362 will be around along time also...
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you guys are killing me i am waiting for two 362s worse then a kid before Christmas.
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Loks like I will be getting a second one as well (sigh ::) ) and will try the .25 if the report comes back that it will work.
You all are a bad influence! ;D ;)
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you guys are killing me i am waiting for two 362s worse then a kid before Christmas.
Its ok you are not alone I am waiting for number 2 myself, and more parts to mod.
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Loks like I will be getting a second one as well (sigh ::) ) and will try the .25 if the report comes back that it will work.
You all are a bad influence! ;D ;)
I've been thinking that a .25 swap would be nice for that wadcutter mold you just sold me ;)
Before I place my order for an Alchemy brass breech, is there any reason I should not? I'm also considering the Alchemy aluminum breech, but I like the ambi setup on the brass breech. my wife is a left handed shooter and I find that I like a left handed bolt even when shooting right handed with light weight rifles. I want to stay with irons for this rifle, and going to the Crosman steel breech forces me into not using the factory rear tombstone, which I quite like after getting used to it. Since I'll have the TP out anyway I'm also ordering a Magnum Airpower upgraded port and bushing.
Also I'm not going to lie, the bling factor on the brass breech is undeniable. With a beefy anodized black aluminum charging handle and a brass trigger it should look amazing.
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Loks like I will be getting a second one as well (sigh ::) ) and will try the .25 if the report comes back that it will work.
You all are a bad influence! ;D ;)
I've been thinking that a .25 swap would be nice for that wadcutter mold you just sold me ;)
Before I place my order for an Alchemy brass breech, is there any reason I should not? I'm also considering the Alchemy aluminum breech, but I like the ambi setup on the brass breech. my wife is a left handed shooter and I find that I like a left handed bolt even when shooting right handed with light weight rifles. I want to stay with irons for this rifle, and going to the Crosman steel breech forces me into not using the factory rear tombstone, which I quite like after getting used to it. Since I'll have the TP out anyway I'm also ordering a Magnum Airpower upgraded port and bushing.
Also I'm not going to lie, the bling factor on the brass breech is undeniable. With a beefy anodized black aluminum charging handle and a brass trigger it should look amazing.
I was JUST thinking that as well... :P ::)
After my experience this evening with all sorts of scope and barrel movement, I'm glad I went with the long steel breech and will be drilling/tapping another grub screw as well. I passed on the brass and aluminum for that reason, I want serious rigidity.
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Loks like I will be getting a second one as well (sigh ::) ) and will try the .25 if the report comes back that it will work.
You all are a bad influence! ;D ;)
I've been thinking that a .25 swap would be nice for that wadcutter mold you just sold me ;)
Before I place my order for an Alchemy brass breech, is there any reason I should not? I'm also considering the Alchemy aluminum breech, but I like the ambi setup on the brass breech. my wife is a left handed shooter and I find that I like a left handed bolt even when shooting right handed with light weight rifles. I want to stay with irons for this rifle, and going to the Crosman steel breech forces me into not using the factory rear tombstone, which I quite like after getting used to it. Since I'll have the TP out anyway I'm also ordering a Magnum Airpower upgraded port and bushing.
Also I'm not going to lie, the bling factor on the brass breech is undeniable. With a beefy anodized black aluminum charging handle and a brass trigger it should look amazing.
I was JUST thinking that as well... :P ::)
After my experience this evening with all sorts of scope and barrel movement, I'm glad I went with the long steel breech and will be drilling/tapping another grub screw as well. I passed on the brass and aluminum for that reason, I want serious rigidity.
I'm sure the brass or aluminum would be every bit as rigid as the steel breech, I just don't want to be forced out of using the stock sights. My wife told I should get the brass breech after showing her pictures of the black aluminum and the brass. The double grub screws is a big selling point. I don't have the tools on hand to add a second grub screw to the steel breech.
I bet that mold is at the post office, might make a journey across the river tomorrow.
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I took the trigger group off today preparing for some trigger work. I noticed that the same method used in the 13xx platform was used in the 362. A notch in the pump tube for the valve to seat against. Anyone planning to pin the valve? With the longer stroke and more air being forced in per stroke, I wonder if the same rear valve deformation and potential for the trigger/valve screw breaking from the valve being pushed against that notch can occur? One of the Crosman engineers said they put 80,000 pumps in a test rifle. I would be interested in hearing from them how the valve held up after all those pumps?
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My .25 barrel is definitely long enough, but I don't have the right breech for it. I'm about to remedy that and as soon as #2 gets here it will be a quarter bore. I found out today that my stock #1 362 will launch a 29.9 grain BBT 450 fps so I'm definitely right where I want to be with the 22 grain wadcutter.
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I took the trigger group off today preparing for some trigger work. I noticed that the same method used in the 13xx platform was used in the 362. A notch in the pump tube for the valve to seat against. Anyone planning to pin the valve? With the longer stroke and more air being forced in per stroke, I wonder if the same rear valve deformation and potential for the trigger/valve screw breaking from the valve being pushed against that notch can occur? One of the Crosman engineers said they put 80,000 pumps in a test rifle. I would be interested in hearing from them how the valve held up after all those pumps?
It's an easy mod worth implementing.
Wyoman did report an increase in FPS post grub-screw mod.
Might even increase efficiency as well.
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I did end up shooting 5 slugs and five 19.6g Hunters, the slugs were terrible and the Hunters did great.
I got Alvin as the narrator but you can't understand a word he says.
https://youtu.be/08ZXklsfEP8
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I'm thinking that maybe the stock 2240 probe along with the steel breech might not be seating pellets far enough ??? I need to chamber a pellet then take the gun apart and have a look because the C362 probe has a longer nose on it compared to the 2240 probe. The handle on the C362 seems to be riveted in the probe also, I might try drilling it out and tap it for the 2240 handle dang it.
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I'm thinking that maybe the stock 2240 probe along with the steel breech might not be seating pellets far enough ??? I need to chamber a pellet then take the gun apart and have a look because the C362 probe has a longer nose on it compared to the 2240 probe.
Wayne... I noticed this same thing late yesterday. I was looking around for some fatter orings because my bolt was flopping up when I shot the gun. I saw a bolt in my parts drawer and compared it. It is the longer one and I will put it in the gun on the next tear down. I also have a 100 pak of orings on the way.
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I just ordered an extended probe from Alchemy Werks, no wonder it's so much floppier with the steel breech than it was with the plastic stock breech.
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I just ordered an extended probe from Alchemy Werks, no wonder it's so much floppier with the steel breech than it was with the plastic stock breech.
I have the floppy bolt issue with my stock breech and bolt. Are you saying the handle does not come out of the stock bolt? That is good to know before I placed my order. How did you remove it from the breech without removing the handle? I'm thinking about getting a fancy hollow brass bolt/probe.
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The plastic breech is 2 pieces that come apart automatically, I just pulled my scope off, chambered a pellet, looked down there with a flashlight and my optivisor and the pellet isn't anywhere near being past the transfer port. It's barely past the bevel of the barrel port, with the extended probe I ordered it will push the pellet where it should be. I haven't checked but I'll bet my velocity now is lower with the wad cutter in the steel breech than it was in the plastic breech.
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Would a brass probe in a brass breech cause any friction issues? I've read some places that brass on brass is a no-no, and stainless isn't particularly kind to it either.
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Well I ended up taking a little material off the riveted side of the bolt handle on the original bolt, drove it out with a punch, drilled and tapped it. All I gotta do now is take my gun back apart and put the original bolt back in it along with the 2240 handle. I looked at the parts list for the 2240 and it looks like the bolt and handle both come together, I may give Crosman a call to find out the price and probably order a couple along with some other Crosman parts that I've been meaning to get for a while now.
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I have a couple other ideas. One being along the lines of trapping an oring between the barrel and the breech like SPA does.
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I have a couple other ideas. One being along the lines of trapping an oring between the barrel and the breech like SPA does.
I thought SPA designs weren't as good as Crosman ;)
Is there enough room to do this, or would a groove need to be cut in the breech end of the barrel? I have a decent selection of o-rings, and will try something when I figure out which metal breech I want...
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I have a couple other ideas. One being along the lines of trapping an oring between the barrel and the breech like SPA does.
I thought SPA designs weren't as good as Crosman ;)
Is there enough room to do this, or would a groove need to be cut in the breech end of the barrel? I have a decent selection of o-rings, and will try something when I figure out which metal breech I want...
I don't know about a groove but maybe just a bit off the back end of the barrel.
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Bill I've got a bunch of really thin metric o rings I ordered by mistake a long time ago and one of the sizes works perfect for what you're talking about. I've used them on my hi pac setups and they worked out good.
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Yeah Wayne..... my oring supply is quite vast. For example, just yesterday I ordered 100 pak of bolt probe orings for $8.
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I've still got a dozen of the 006 o rings in 90duro left, even the harbor freight o rings work decent on bolt probes too, they softer but seem to hold up good.
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x-section. extended bolt & pellet position.
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I have a couple other ideas. One being along the lines of trapping an oring between the barrel and the breech like SPA does.
I thought SPA designs weren't as good as Crosman ;)
Is there enough room to do this, or would a groove need to be cut in the breech end of the barrel? I have a decent selection of o-rings, and will try something when I figure out which metal breech I want...
I don't know about a groove but maybe just a bit off the back end of the barrel.
I'm not set up to modify a barrel like that, let me know if you do figure this out.
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x-section. extended bolt & pellet position.
TY John... mine is setup in .177 so it's a bit different monster.
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That drawing sure does explain a lot of things to me, thank you so much for that John!
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Very cool John thanks a load for that photo, that's definitely an extended probe too 8)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182911.0;attach=388009;image)
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Once I install the original bolt I'll recheck the speed of my 19.6 grain from it again, I wouldn't doubt they might even pick up about 25fps ???
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I'm thinking that maybe the stock 2240 probe along with the steel breech might not be seating pellets far enough ??? I need to chamber a pellet then take the gun apart and have a look because the C362 probe has a longer nose on it compared to the 2240 probe. The handle on the C362 seems to be riveted in the probe also, I might try drilling it out and tap it for the 2240 handle dang it.
Oh, that explains something: I accidentally managed to double-feed my rifle --- I had forgotten there was a pellet in there, and it was maybe a bit stiffer than usual to load the second one in but not that hard, since I guess the probe isn't actually pushing it all the way in.
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Once I install the original bolt I'll recheck the speed of my 19.6 grain from it again, I wouldn't doubt they might even pick up about 25fps ???
an Allen Wrench the right size will work as a seating tool...and not block the port.. ;) I made one of plastic If I can find it...
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Ideally, it would come with the steel breech. They should market it with exchangeable 21in barrels/bolts in .25, .22, maybe.177 and especially .20cal. I will be ordering a .20cal barrel from Walther. It is shooting .22 14.3s at 670fps, which is better then my Benji's do. I suspect they are using the same valve as is used in the Benj's and the little higher fpe is due to the 21in barrel?
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Then pay 20 times the price and buy a Crown !!!
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I sure am liking the speed I am getting from the 362, I feel I can get a little more out of her but I dont want to ruin it.
Is it possible to open the TP up one wire size for a little more airflow?
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seems like the 26 inch maximus barrel would be a good option
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Took the barrel and steel breach off my 2260 this afternoon and put it on 362 999, temp bolted the 362 parts on the 2260, new parts are shipping for that project.
So back to 392 999, I put the steel breach on the 392, and the 2260 24" barrel, actually lost FPS only like 3, porting might be the ticket, but they seem to be at a good size vs valve volume.
Getting or making a higher capacity valve would be the logical thing to try along with the porting IMO.
I think I got a pellet picky barrel on 999, as now I am one holing every pellet I tried so far, IIR that 2260 barrel shot destroyers fairly well even.
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Took the barrel and steel breach off my 2260 this afternoon and put it on 362 999, temp bolted the 362 parts on the 2260, new parts are shipping for that project.
So back to 392 999, I put the steel breach on the 392, and the 2260 24" barrel, actually lost FPS only like 3, porting might be the ticket, but they seem to be at a good size vs valve volume.
Getting or making a higher capacity valve would be the logical thing to try along with the porting IMO.
I think I got a pellet picky barrel on 999, as now I am one holing every pellet I tried so far, IIR that 2260 barrel shot destroyers fairly well even.
362 999? ???
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362 999? ???
I named them by their last three digits. Though if I get a 3rd I may change them to Huey Dewy and Lewy :)
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Crosman definitely came up with a winner with the C362, I can only imagine all the engineers bouncing ideas back a forth to come up with this gun. All the way from 10 year olds getting out of school wanting to head for the woods up to old tinkering farts like me who enjoy the tinkering. I've never wanted a 1322 but it's very understandable why so many people love them, the 22xx platform certainly has been enhanced phenomenally with the C362.
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Crosman definitely came up with a winner with the C362, I can only imagine all the engineers bouncing ideas back a forth to come up with this gun. All the way from 10 year olds getting out of school wanting to head for the woods up to old tinkering farts like me who enjoy the tinkering. I've never wanted a 1322 but it's very understandable why so many people love them, the 22xx platform certainly has been enhanced phenomenally with the C362.
This is definitely a fine little rifle that can be made even better if you want to. Mine shoots just fine right out of the box. It rained all day here, so I sat on the front porch and sniped sweet gum balls every chance I got. 3 pumps is all it takes to send them flying.
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Once I install the original bolt I'll recheck the speed of my 19.6 grain from it again, I wouldn't doubt they might even pick up about 25fps ???
an Allen Wrench the right size will work as a seating tool...and not block the port.. ;) I made one of plastic If I can find it...
I made a pellet seater for my 1322/2400KT that looks almost exactly like an allen wrench. It's out of an 1/8 inch dia piece of steel wire. The short side is the exact length to seat a CPHP so that the skirt is exactly past the port. Just push the pellet down the barrel with the tool until the long side of the tool contacts the breech and can't go any further, and the pellet is seated correctly. Of course it won't work right with a pellet that has a different skirt length. If the tool was .22 inch diameter, it would engage the back of the skirt, and work with any pellet.
IIRC the pellets blocked about half the port on my 1322 and 2400KT. Seating them correctly made a negligible difference in MV in my 1322 (less than 2fps at 10 pumps). However, it added 11fps on average to my 2400KT.
I would be interested in seeing what difference seating the pellet correctly makes in the 362. If nobody has done the experiment by the time I get mine (it'll be a few months lol) I'll certainly do it and post my results.
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I got my C362 back together with the original extended bolt in it, it definitely brought the velocity up. I averaged 604.1fps with the 2240 bolt and with the modified extended bolt(original that came with the gun) and brought it up to an average of 617.5 fps@16.5fpe.
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This will be my approach as well Wayne. I've done it in the past.
Thanks for the reminder.
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Bill I actually posted my last reply in the wrong thread so I modified it.
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Wayne.... I saw it.... ;)
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Fun reading 4 or more different threads on the same gun, different approaches, shared discoveries and tips. I typically dump my information off in this thread, and then any thread where I see it may be helpful.
Coolest thing about the 362 is it is affordable for most anyone, can be made their own on the cheap or as costly as they deem necessary.
I think this gun is what the GTA needed, to bring members together with a common goal of enjoying an affordable air rifle.
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James it's the first new pumper that I've bought since 1977 when I bought my Sheridan Blue Streak, yep Crosman definitely hit a home run putting this one out, it's also going to make a lot of happy kids on their birthdays for sure, maybe they'll realize there something much more fun than their cellphones.
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James it's the first new pumper that I've bought since 1977 when I bought my Sheridan Blue Streak, yep Crosman definitely hit a home run putting this one out, it's also going to make a lot of happy kids on their birthdays for sure, maybe they'll realize there something much more fun than their cellphones.
:) Like shooting them darn phones, about ready to shoot mine, but will wait till I can get to a store to get a new one, and get my data transferred.
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James it's rare that I even use mine, spends it's time in my field jacket, I've only used it once when I needed a starter on my truck, called a wrecker service with it to get it towed to my house last year and rode my bike down to the auto parts store (NAPA). I've had excellent luck there because when you get a rebuild from them it's going to work better than autozone. I was told to do that from a friend that owns and auto repair business say buy it from NAPA you won't be sorry and so far he's been right. I've probably got a half dozen I've found with my metal detector.
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seems like the 26 inch maximus barrel would be a good option
I am looking for one.
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Fun reading 4 or more different threads on the same gun, different approaches, shared discoveries and tips. I typically dump my information off in this thread, and then any thread where I see it may be helpful.
Coolest thing about the 362 is it is affordable for most anyone, can be made their own on the cheap or as costly as they deem necessary.
I think this gun is what the GTA needed, to bring members together with a common goal of enjoying an affordable air rifle.
In the other AG forum, hot topics are about guns costing more than a grand ;D
I don’t even have a 362, but I like reading about it.
Let’s just say that I am not too enamored with multi-pumps anymore.
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I just found this thread https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195397.msg156272233#msg156272233 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195397.msg156272233#msg156272233)
Apparently there is no off the shelf bolt option for these guns. If you are like me and don't have a good work bench and drill press, you will be waiting for someone to figure out what works.
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I'll be sticking with the barrel it came with, has a really nice crown on it too.
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James it's rare that I even use mine, spends it's time in my field jacket, I've only used it once when I needed a starter on my truck, called a wrecker service with it to get it towed to my house last year and rode my bike down to the auto parts store (NAPA). I've had excellent luck there because when you get a rebuild from them it's going to work better than autozone. I was told to do that from a friend that owns and auto repair business say buy it from NAPA you won't be sorry and so far he's been right. I've probably got a half dozen I've found with my metal detector.
Back in the 90's I was an outside sales agent for a NAPA store, IMO tainted as is , they are the best place to get auto parts that last.
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I'll be sticking with the barrel it came with, has a really nice crown on it too.
Mine too. I was looking it over last night and I'm not surprised that it's a good shooter. They did a nice job on these barrels if mine is typical. I've got some Buck-Rail scope mounts coming for it, and I'm going to call it done then.
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I'll be sticking with the barrel it came with, has a really nice crown on it too.
Mine too. I was looking it over last night and I'm not surprised that it's a good shooter. They did a nice job on these barrels if mine is typical. I've got some Buck-Rail scope mounts coming for it, and I'm going to call it done then.
Too bad, I would have sent you mine for free if you hadn't already ordered them. Worthless with the plastic breech.
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I'll be sticking with the barrel it came with, has a really nice crown on it too.
Mine too. I was looking it over last night and I'm not surprised that it's a good shooter. They did a nice job on these barrels if mine is typical. I've got some Buck-Rail scope mounts coming for it, and I'm going to call it done then.
Too bad, I would have sent you mine for free if you hadn't already ordered them. Worthless with the plastic breech
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I appreciate the offer, and thanks for the tip. I have an older aluminum breech I can use as soon as I modify the bolt probe I have. It's too short to mount a scope on and still have good eye relief with the short stock on the 362, so I'll still need the adapters I ordered.
If this cold rainy weather will ease up, I'll get those slugs cast for you.
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I appreciate the offer, and thanks for the tip. I have an older aluminum breech I can use as soon as I modify the bolt probe I have. It's too short to mount a scope on and still have good eye relief with the short stock on the 362, so I'll still need the adapters I ordered.
If this cold rainy weather will ease up, I'll get those slugs cast for you.
Sweet! ;D
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I just ordered a Baker aluminum breech, Magnum Airpower transfer port, fiber front sight, and a stainless rear cap for the Baker breech. Eventually I want to replace the probe, handle, rear cap, safety, and trigger with brass parts, but that's about $100 in just parts.
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I've still got a dozen of the 006 o rings in 90duro left, even the harbor freight o rings work decent on bolt probes too, they softer but seem to hold up good.
Is 006 or 005 the correct size, I have seen 005 many times ?
wll
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Wooohooo, 362 #2 has shipped! I should have it next Wednesday.
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mine should be here Friday, along with a steel Breech. Kinda excited
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I've still got a dozen of the 006 o rings in 90duro left, even the harbor freight o rings work decent on bolt probes too, they softer but seem to hold up good.
Is 006 or 005 the correct size, I have seen 005 many times ?
wll
Duro 90 005 for .22 and 003 for .177.
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I used 006 on mine, works great !!!
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I think this would look great ;D
SPOT STOCK is the cheapest at $79:
https://www.boydsgunstocks.com/product-configurator/blast-uninlet-124321x1hzz (https://www.boydsgunstocks.com/product-configurator/blast-uninlet-124321x1hzz)
(https://i.imgur.com/9HoLZpk.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/hP2H6RT.jpg?1)
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For $7, I got both the 005 & 006 O-rings to try. Seems a pack of 250 is cheaper on amazon than a pack of 50. ???
Gonna have some extras if anybody is looking. ;)
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a 006 on a 22 probe will seal a 25 barrel..
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I used 006 on mine, works great !!!
.22?
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Yes .22 I don't plan on putting another barrel on this gun, it works fantastic with the barrel that it came with, excellent factory crown and very accurate for what it is.
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Yes .22 I don't plan on putting another barrel on this gun, it works fantastic with the barrel that it came with, excellent factory crown and very accurate for what it is.
I have both the 005 and 006 rings coming so I will see which fit best for me but I do have other uses for them as well.
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I did a quick trigger job on the C362 and stuck a new re-profiled blade in it. Polished the sear, took some of the angle of the sear spring out of it and replaced the trigger return spring with a lighter one. I didn't drill/tap the housing for a forward sear adjustment set screw yet, but I think I will next time it's apart.
Makes a world of difference in being able to accurately shoot it.
Going to start trying to make it quieter on the pumping action. It registered louder pumping it (104 dB) than a shot without a moderator (102 dB).
I also created a Fusion 360 file for an extended rear sight for the peep blade. It extends rearward about 3/4".
Great little moddable rifle. (But I still prefer the 1322 platform for light plinking!)
Mike
(https://ssl.tko22.com/C362/C362-Trigger.jpg)
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I did a quick trigger job on the C362 and stuck a new re-profiled blade in it. Polished the sear, took some of the angle of the sear spring out of it and replaced the trigger return spring with a lighter one. I didn't drill/tap the housing for a forward sear adjustment set screw yet, but I think I will next time it's apart.
Makes a world of difference in being able to accurately shoot it.
Going to start trying to make it quieter on the pumping action. It registered louder pumping it (104 dB) than a shot without a moderator (102 dB).
I also created a Fusion 360 file for an extended rear sight for the peep blade. It extends rearward about 3/4".
Great little moddable rifle. (But I still prefer the 1322 platform for light plinking!)
Mike
(https://ssl.tko22.com/C362/C362-Trigger.jpg)
Is that an off the shelf trigger?
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Is that an off the shelf trigger?
looks to be 3d printed to me. pretty sharp!
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Does anyone know the length of the extended bolt/probe that these guns have? I didn't measure mine when I had it apart, I did what I've got done on this 2240 probe last night but will be waiting for it to cure more before I put it on the drill press and do some filing on it. It's JB Weld that I dipped it in after roughing it up first. Right now it's at 1.828"
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Is that an off the shelf trigger?
looks to be 3d printed to me. pretty sharp!
3D resin printed. I use grey when prototyping (much faster print and cure times), then switch to a tough slow cure black for production stuff.
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Does anyone know the length of the extended bolt/probe that these guns have? I didn't measure mine when I had it apart, I did what I've got done on this 2240 probe last night but will be waiting for it to cure more before I put it on the drill press and do some filing on it. It's JB Weld that I dipped it in after roughing it up first. Right now it's at 1.828"
1.855
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I did a quick trigger job on the C362 and stuck a new re-profiled blade in it. Polished the sear, took some of the angle of the sear spring out of it and replaced the trigger return spring with a lighter one. I didn't drill/tap the housing for a forward sear adjustment set screw yet, but I think I will next time it's apart.
Makes a world of difference in being able to accurately shoot it.
Going to start trying to make it quieter on the pumping action. It registered louder pumping it (104 dB) than a shot without a moderator (102 dB).
I also created a Fusion 360 file for an extended rear sight for the peep blade. It extends rearward about 3/4".
Great little moddable rifle. (But I still prefer the 1322 platform for light plinking!)
Mike
(https://ssl.tko22.com/C362/C362-Trigger.jpg)
Is that an off the shelf trigger?
In case some people are not aware, Mr. Mike, aka TKO22, is this gent (1st class service, IMHO):
https://ssl.tko22.com/
;D
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Does anyone know the length of the extended bolt/probe that these guns have? I didn't measure mine when I had it apart, I did what I've got done on this 2240 probe last night but will be waiting for it to cure more before I put it on the drill press and do some filing on it. It's JB Weld that I dipped it in after roughing it up first. Right now it's at 1.828"
1.855
Thanks, I'll definitely be making it longer than it is then, I didn't think it was quite long enough yet. I should probably let this cure longer before I dip it anymore, once it's done I think it will probably be a good extended probe though.
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In case some people are not aware, Mr. Mike, aka TKO22, is this gent (1st class service, IMHO):
https://ssl.tko22.com/
;D
Thanks! I'm new to this ;D
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I lost track of what thread someone was asking if the 2240 etc. pistol grip would fit the C362. Well I did a conversion to an AR style for my 2260, I put a 362 21" barrel on the CO2 tube and the 2240 grip/trigger on it. While I was at it I layed them out to see if the pistol grip could be an option, as far as I see it about an inch of the pump arm would need to be removed to make room for the trigger.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8426)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8425)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8424)
Now off to play with my "new toy" ;D 8)
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I posted my initial impression and accuracy with different pellets earlier in this thread. I have tried 14 different pellets. So far the most accurate pellet for my 362 is the RWS Superpoint (which none of my other .22 airguns like). It is significantly more accurate than any other pellet, and unfortunately, the best 5-shot groups I can get from it are still around 0.5" center-to-center at 10 meters, and 1.25" at 25 yards. I'm a competent peep sight shooter, and can get groups in the 0.1x" range at 10 meters from a rest with my Daisy 853 or Umarex Gauntlet that I have set up with peep sights. I'm disappointed in the accuracy, but I guess it's about average for a $100 airgun with good power. My Crosman 1322 will shoot neck and neck with it. It is probably the equal to my $100 Vanquish Nitro Piston in .22. However, every Daisy 880 I've owned would shoot 0.25" or better at 10 meters.
I hoped this 362 would offer Daisy 880 accuracy, but with greater power in a larger bore. The gun feels great, and a simple trigger job gave me a crisp 2 lb trigger. Pumping effort is low and the pump arm moves smoothly and feels solid. The stock is well sorted and the rubber buttpad is a nice touch. It definitely feels upscale compared to any past pumpers I've owned, which are mainly from Crosman/Benjamin, and Daisy.
I cleaned the bore of my 362 before shooting it, and again after 50 pellets, and again at 250 pellets. It was filthy the first time I cleaned it, even though it was unfired by me. The subsequent cleanings were fairly easy with minimal leading to remove, and the bore and crown look fine. I have about 350 pellets through the rifle so far. Maybe it will improve with more shooting, but so far it's not meeting my expectations in accuracy. I was expecting groups under an inch at 25 yards, given that my 1322 shoots so well for a pistol. Maybe a barrel upgrade is in my future. A Lothar Walther in .22 would be fantastic.
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I am wondering id Crosman is getting paint overspray in the crown end of some of these barrels, they had that issue with another .22 barrel years back. The barrel I took off my 362 and put on my 2260, seems to be shooting better than before, as I did give it a thorough cleaning when I had it off the gun.
PS I just remembered what gun had overspray issues, it was the 392 ::)
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Mine shot around an inch and a half at 45 yards with the peep and CPUMs
Edit: just measured it and it was 1.75
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I am wondering id Crosman is getting paint overspray in the crown end of some of these barrels, they had that issue with another .22 barrel years back. The barrel I took off my 362 and put on my 2260, seems to be shooting better than before, as I did give it a thorough cleaning when I had it off the gun.
Is the C362 barrel painted ?
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Both air cylinder and barrel are blued.
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I've gotten lots of groups smaller than 1/2" at 20 yards. Today I was plinking 3/8" pieces of chalk, hitting more than not.
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I lost track of what thread someone was asking if the 2240 etc. pistol grip would fit the C362. Well I did a conversion to an AR style for my 2260, I put a 362 21" barrel on the CO2 tube and the 2240 grip/trigger on it. While I was at it I layed them out to see if the pistol grip could be an option, as far as I see it about an inch of the pump arm would need to be removed to make room for the trigger.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8426)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8425)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8424)
Now off to play with my "new toy" ;D 8)
It was me :D
Gracias, James sir ;D
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I posted my initial impression and accuracy with different pellets earlier in this thread. I have tried 14 different pellets. So far the most accurate pellet for my 362 is the RWS Superpoint (which none of my other .22 airguns like). It is significantly more accurate than any other pellet, and unfortunately, the best 5-shot groups I can get from it are still around 0.5" center-to-center at 10 meters, and 1.25" at 25 yards. I'm a competent peep sight shooter, and can get groups in the 0.1x" range at 10 meters from a rest with my Daisy 853 or Umarex Gauntlet that I have set up with peep sights. I'm disappointed in the accuracy, but I guess it's about average for a $100 airgun with good power. My Crosman 1322 will shoot neck and neck with it. It is probably the equal to my $100 Vanquish Nitro Piston in .22. However, every Daisy 880 I've owned would shoot 0.25" or better at 10 meters.
I hoped this 362 would offer Daisy 880 accuracy, but with greater power in a larger bore. The gun feels great, and a simple trigger job gave me a crisp 2 lb trigger. Pumping effort is low and the pump arm moves smoothly and feels solid. The stock is well sorted and the rubber buttpad is a nice touch. It definitely feels upscale compared to any past pumpers I've owned, which are mainly from Crosman/Benjamin, and Daisy.
I cleaned the bore of my 362 before shooting it, and again after 50 pellets, and again at 250 pellets. It was filthy the first time I cleaned it, even though it was unfired by me. The subsequent cleanings were fairly easy with minimal leading to remove, and the bore and crown look fine. I have about 350 pellets through the rifle so far. Maybe it will improve with more shooting, but so far it's not meeting my expectations in accuracy. I was expecting groups under an inch at 25 yards, given that my 1322 shoots so well for a pistol. Maybe a barrel upgrade is in my future. A Lothar Walther in .22 would be fantastic.
Yeah, a LW barrel from the MROD, but it will require some machining.
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So I'm a bit disappointed in the power. Speeds are averages over 5-6 shots. Chronograph is mounted to the muzzle.
Column A is four pumps, column B is eight pumps, both Predator GTO 11.75 grain pellets.
Column C is four pumps, column D is eight pumps, both Crosman Premier Piranha 14.3 grain pellets.
Column E is with my PR900 shooting the Predators.
The POI between the Piranhas and the GTO's is identical to the included Crosman Essential pellets, at least at 30' in my attic.
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So I'm a bit disappointed in the power. Speeds are averages over 5-6 shots. Chronograph is mounted to the muzzle.
Column A is four pumps, column B is eight pumps, both Predator GTO 11.75 grain pellets.
Column C is four pumps, column D is eight pumps, both Crosman Premier Piranha 14.3 grain pellets.
Column E is with my PR900 shooting the Predators.
The POI between the Piranhas and the GTO's is identical to the included Crosman Essential pellets, at least at 30' in my attic.
you are getting lower fps then my what i call good one mine are 50 fps higher with cphp but i bought two 362s and there is a 50 fps differance between my two
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I installed the Alchemy Werks extended probe, it's velocity is less than the stock probe that came with it was, about 20fps slower at 8 pumps. I do really like the magnet on it though.
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I installed the Alchemy Werks extended probe, it's velocity is less than the stock probe that came with it was, about 20fps slower at 8 pumps. I do really like the magnet on it though.
The velocity change may not be due to the probe shape, but by the length of the rear end slightly interfering with the full forward travel of the hammer/cocking pin on firing. Check the back end and see if you are seeing excessive peening from the pin.
Secondly, do the tissue test to be sure the probe o-ring is sealing to the barrel with both probes.
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I installed the Alchemy Werks extended probe, it's velocity is less than the stock probe that came with it was, about 20fps slower at 8 pumps. I do really like the magnet on it though.
I posted crony results of pellets in the factory plastic breach. I cronied first with normal use, probe / pellet 1/2 way over the BP, and then with the pellet set to just clear the barrel port. The ones they were set past the BP were like Wayne discovered about 20 FPS slower. I was unsure if that was from the extra air space created between the pellet and the probe or just the deeper position.
BP=Barrel Port
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James I've got one of the stock 2240 probes modified all set to try in one, it's about .005 less in length than what the C362 is but that will probably be ok. I think that I'll leave this gun the way it is and try it on another one I ordered. I managed to get it for $104 tax and all. What happened is I had one in Crosmans cart, they sent me an email and said I'd still get the deal, all I had to do was order it in full price, it automatically gave me the discount with no codes added. I thought that was really nice of them to do that because the codes aren't working anymore since I had that in my cart.
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Right now I'm also in the process of encoding a video shooting my 19.6 grain Hunters from it, I was happy with the results, it was still dark 7AM up there but I did have my readers and a flashlight up there to help for loading pellets in it, the only lit part of my attic are 2 15 watt incandescent bulbs, I have a trouble light that I shine on the target when the camera is going though.
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Dang I should of left #3 in the cart a little longer ;D Oh well it has been shipped now. might try modding one to fit the 13xx grips next, one will remain OE.
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I installed the Alchemy Werks extended probe, it's velocity is less than the stock probe that came with it was, about 20fps slower at 8 pumps. I do really like the magnet on it though.
The velocity change may not be due to the probe shape, but by the length of the rear end slightly interfering with the full forward travel of the hammer/cocking pin on firing. Check the back end and see if you are seeing excessive peening from the pin.
Secondly, do the tissue test to be sure the probe o-ring is sealing to the barrel with both probes.
During my testing the random shot would make the probe handle pop up and a slight puff of air came out the back, but no difference to the chronograph. This is with a totally factory setup. I have a Baker aluminum breech on the way, so I'll find out if the included probe setup works. I'll look for peening like you mentioned. If there is some contact, should I just file down the back of the probe until it stops?
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Some chony numbers with 14.3 grain crosman premier hp. 5-shot averages
4 pumps = 514 fps (8.4 ft/lbs)
5 pumps = 563 fps (10 ft/lbs)
6 pumps = 599 fps (11.4 ft/lbs)
7 pumps = 628 fps (12.5 ft/lbs)
8 pumps = 658 fps (13.75 ft/lbs)
10 pumps = 701 fps (15.6 ft/lbs)
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I installed the Alchemy Werks extended probe, it's velocity is less than the stock probe that came with it was, about 20fps slower at 8 pumps. I do really like the magnet on it though.
The velocity change may not be due to the probe shape, but by the length of the rear end slightly interfering with the full forward travel of the hammer/cocking pin on firing. Check the back end and see if you are seeing excessive peening from the pin.
Secondly, do the tissue test to be sure the probe o-ring is sealing to the barrel with both probes.
During my testing the random shot would make the probe handle pop up and a slight puff of air came out the back, but no difference to the chronograph. This is with a totally factory setup. I have a Baker aluminum breech on the way, so I'll find out if the included probe setup works. I'll look for peening like you mentioned. If there is some contact, should I just file down the back of the probe until it stops?
Yes, file or turn it down til the pin no longer makes contact. I found that a bolt popping up on the shot is a sign that the pin is hitting the back of the probe. Usually seen in guns that are over-sprung on the hammer spring ... as I suspect the C362 is.
As a matter of fact, I face almost all 22xx bolts a bit as not only does it remove the chance the hammer pin will smack it, but it also offers a bit more space for the loading of a pellet in the trough. However ... take too much off the back end and the gun won't cock.
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Some chony numbers with 14.3 grain crosman premier hp. 5-shot averages
4 pumps = 514 fps (8.4 ft/lbs)
5 pumps = 563 fps (10 ft/lbs)
6 pumps = 599 fps (11.4 ft/lbs)
7 pumps = 628 fps (12.5 ft/lbs)
8 pumps = 658 fps (13.75 ft/lbs) well thank you i know my cheap chinese chrony is working thats the same numbers within 10 fps one way or other same pellets
10 pumps = 701 fps (15.6 ft/lbs) my 362 is getting
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Hopefully will receive my new 362 tomorrow…very excited to join this highly exclusive club! Is there a password or secret handshake?
I spent a very productive day at work today reading through this whole thread. Lot’s of good stuff going on here.
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Ordered one yesterday from a local shop. I have no idea when it’ll come in though.
I remember as a kid using my grandfathers 760 that we pretty much wore out. He purchased a new 766 with a rifled barrel in 76 which was the “good” gun. Lol. I recently found that gun and got it shooting again. It’s so much nicer to shoot then a springer. I’m hoping this new rifle will be my new “good” gun.
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Hopefully will receive my new 362 tomorrow…very excited to join this highly exclusive club! Is there a password or secret handshake?
I spent a very productive day at work today reading through this whole thread. Lot’s of good stuff going on here.
ok so here it is the password is ; when its time to shoot shoot dont talk; Quate from tuco the good the bad and the ugly
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I installed the Alchemy Werks extended probe, it's velocity is less than the stock probe that came with it was, about 20fps slower at 8 pumps. I do really like the magnet on it though.
The velocity change may not be due to the probe shape, but by the length of the rear end slightly interfering with the full forward travel of the hammer/cocking pin on firing. Check the back end and see if you are seeing excessive peening from the pin.
Secondly, do the tissue test to be sure the probe o-ring is sealing to the barrel with both probes.
During my testing the random shot would make the probe handle pop up and a slight puff of air came out the back, but no difference to the chronograph. This is with a totally factory setup. I have a Baker aluminum breech on the way, so I'll find out if the included probe setup works. I'll look for peening like you mentioned. If there is some contact, should I just file down the back of the probe until it stops?
Yes, file or turn it down til the pin no longer makes contact. I found that a bolt popping up on the shot is a sign that the pin is hitting the back of the probe. Usually seen in guns that are over-sprung on the hammer spring ... as I suspect the C362 is.
As a matter of fact, I face almost all 22xx bolts a bit as not only does it remove the chance the hammer pin will smack it, but it also offers a bit more space for the loading of a pellet in the trough. However ... take too much off the back end and the gun won't cock.
Do you think Crosman had some bolts made and they are a bit out of spec? Maybe the hammer is different? Odd that not everyone is having the problem either. My c362 is in the attic, so I'll have to check the serial number next time I'm up there shooting, probably tomorrow.
It seems my rifle is about 1/2 to 3 FPE short, depending on pumps, of what other people are getting, and I'm only 150' or so above sea level. I mean, this is not a big deal to me, I just want the bolt handle to stop popping up randomly. The rifle is pretty accurate and I only see about 5 FPS spread in velocity.
Edit: It seems I'm about 60-ish FPS slow from eight pumps compared to what most people are getting.
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AIr Venturi come out with a nice pumper as well. The Seneca Dragonfly MK2. Wonder how it will compare to this one?
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AIr Venturi come out with a nice pumper as well. The Seneca Dragonfly MK2. Wonder how it will compare to this one?
I'm 100% getting one of those. I absolutely love my .22 cal Stormrider/PR900, so I'm sure the DF II will be great as well. Allegedly more powerful than the c362 out the gate and a wood stock. If the trick linkage is as good as they say it will be a winner, but that doesn't mean my c362 will collect dust.
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I had a couple of sessions up in the attic with mine today shooting my lucky 13 target, here's the second one that I didn't publish but left it unlisted, the first clip normal speed and the second clip is 4X speed 8)
https://youtu.be/NXPpAe2ovCA
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I had a couple of sessions up in the attic with mine today shooting my lucky 13 target, here's the second one that I didn't publish but left it unlisted, the first clip normal speed and the second clip is 4X speed 8)
https://youtu.be/NXPpAe2ovCA
Wow, you got a ringer! I wish mine was putting out those numbers with so few pumps.
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I'm going to install this bolt/probe in mine today and do a chrony test with it. It's from a 2240 originally and I added length with JB Weld, it will be interesting to see how it works. Years ago I remember my brother fixing cracked off pieces on his dirt bike engine covers with it, it never leaked and held up until he sold it. After seeing that I figure it's probably got good oil resistance and hopefully it'll hold up to Pellgun oil etc. I figure the only way to really find out is do it. It's been cured for over 48 hours now.
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Anyone tried fitting the 362 mechanism into a 2260 wood stock?
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Anyone tried fitting the 362 mechanism into a 2260 wood stock?
I looked at the possibility, seems doable with a little woodworking skills.
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Wayne, it looks like you got that 362 dialed in for minute of squirrel grey matter !
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Anyone tried fitting the 362 mechanism into a 2260 wood stock?
I looked at the possibility, seems doable with a little woodworking skills.
I might can fake it.....
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Should I be contacting Crosman customer service over this scuff? It's been there since the rifle was new, I didn't think anything of the mark until I saw it under better light today when adding some oil.
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Probably just a burr on the stamping.
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Probably just a burr on the stamping.
It's a scratch that my fingernail can grab on the piston above the delrin cup.
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You could probably get Crosman to send you a replacement. Polish the old one and it would probably be as good as new. Then you would have two. Always handy if you decide to start modding.
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just wanted to say how much fun i am having with my 362 two punps is just right for shooting in my 25 foot living room blowing the center out of 1 inch bullseyes like the star game at the carnival its 12 below zero here tonight
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Howdy,just received #828 from crosman.
First thoughts,little smaller than thought id be..which is good,cause im verticaly challenged..
Very solid feeling,a bit nose heavy but fine.
Cocking and pumping very smooth..
So first numbers after clean and lube.
8pump. 10pumps
14.3 680. 715
15.89 660. 680
18.13. 630. 655
Very me thinks.
Scope and mounts on the way...sights little to big for my old eyes..
Is the steel breach a plug and play option??
Thanx all for your information...
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Howdy,just received #828 from crosman.
First thoughts,little smaller than thought id be..which is good,cause im verticaly challenged..
Very solid feeling,a bit nose heavy but fine.
Cocking and pumping very smooth..
So first numbers after clean and lube.
8pump. 10pumps
14.3 680. 715
15.89 660. 680
18.13. 630. 655
Very me thinks.
Scope and mounts on the way...sights little to big for my old eyes..
Is the steel breach a plug and play option??
Thanx all for your information...
I got the same results in my 362, and yes, the steel breach is plug-and-play, just watch out for that top grub screw, mine rounded out and stripped with very light torque. You may want to replace that.
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The piston on 362 is metal and not plastic ?
Thats awesome.
Manish
Should I be contacting Crosman customer service over this scuff? It's been there since the rifle was new, I didn't think anything of the mark until I saw it under better light today when adding some oil.
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Howdy,just received #828 from crosman.
First thoughts,little smaller than thought id be..which is good,cause im verticaly challenged..
Very solid feeling,a bit nose heavy but fine.
Cocking and pumping very smooth..
So first numbers after clean and lube.
8pump. 10pumps
14.3 680. 715
15.89 660. 680
18.13. 630. 655
Very me thinks.
Scope and mounts on the way...sights little to big for my old eyes..
Is the steel breach a plug and play option??
Thanx all for your information...
Make sure you get the steel breech with the front mounting screw in the pellet tray area.
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Howdy,just received #828 from crosman.
First thoughts,little smaller than thought id be..which is good,cause im verticaly challenged..
Very solid feeling,a bit nose heavy but fine.
Cocking and pumping very smooth..
So first numbers after clean and lube.
8pump. 10pumps
14.3 680. 715
15.89 660. 680
18.13. 630. 655
Very me thinks.
Scope and mounts on the way...sights little to big for my old eyes..
Is the steel breach a plug and play option??
Thanx all for your information...
Those are the numbers I wanted.
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Great breech info,thanx..i have a original crosman peace so should be good i hope..
After the numbers and shooting a bit.this 362 is right on par with my shockwave..which is awsome 16ftlb pumper!!.
Anybody pop a squirrel yet?? Interested in results..
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How many posts before you can post pics?
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20 post to post pics and web links, greet a few new members and your good to go :)
I will have a 362 totally apart for a good portion of the day, so if anyone wants measurements, or photos, let me know, after some valve porting mods it will not even look like the same gun if all goes as planned ;)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8444)
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Go git 'em Tiger !!
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20 post to post pics and web links, greet a few new members and your good to go :)
I will have a 362 totally apart for a good portion of the day, so if anyone wants measurements, or photos, let me know, after some valve porting mods it will not even look like the same gun if all goes as planned ;)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8444)
I want to know how your valve mods work out. My 362 is a little on the anemic side to start. I'm 150' above sea level where it should make more power than most other people, and I'm measuring right at the muzzle. I'll be shopping for an aftermarket valve, but I'm hoping to have similar results to you!
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For inquiring minds.
Here's a link to a review Hardair did on the 362.
https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/crosman-362-muzzle-energy-15-ft-lbs-for-a-99-gun/
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20 post to post pics and web links, greet a few new members and your good to go :)
I will have a 362 totally apart for a good portion of the day, so if anyone wants measurements, or photos, let me know, after some valve porting mods it will not even look like the same gun if all goes as planned ;)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8444)
I want to know how your valve mods work out. My 362 is a little on the anemic side to start. I'm 150' above sea level where it should make more power than most other people, and I'm measuring right at the muzzle. I'll be shopping for an aftermarket valve, but I'm hoping to have similar results to you!
Hey spacebus, sorry to hear you’re not happy with the power. How is your accuracy and consistency? If you’re making consistent power (even if it’s low), and you’re getting good groups, you’re ahead of the game. Should be fairly easy to “power-up” an otherwise decent shooting gun. Might fix with new seals. Bad accuracy, in my experience, is often harder to correct. My 397 sat for 2 years in pieces until I found a good, used barrel and tube for it, and my 1377 has been sitting for two years because every barrel I’ve bought for it so far was junk). You’re getting good groups but pulling to one side or the other right? Maybe a slightly tweaked barrel or uneven crown at the muzzle?
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Pretty sure that squirrel, rat or paper target on the receiving end ain't gonna know the difference... 8)
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20 post to post pics and web links, greet a few new members and your good to go :)
I will have a 362 totally apart for a good portion of the day, so if anyone wants measurements, or photos, let me know, after some valve porting mods it will not even look like the same gun if all goes as planned ;)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8444)
I want to know how your valve mods work out. My 362 is a little on the anemic side to start. I'm 150' above sea level where it should make more power than most other people, and I'm measuring right at the muzzle. I'll be shopping for an aftermarket valve, but I'm hoping to have similar results to you!
Hey spacebus, sorry to hear you’re not happy with the power. How is your accuracy and consistency? If you’re making consistent power (even if it’s low), and you’re getting good groups, you’re ahead of the game. Should be fairly easy to “power-up” an otherwise decent shooting gun. Might fix with new seals. Bad accuracy, in my experience, is often harder to correct. My 397 sat for 2 years in pieces until I found a good, used barrel and tube for it, and my 1377 has been sitting for two years because every barrel I’ve bought for it so far was junk). You’re getting good groups but pulling to one side or the other right? Maybe a slightly tweaked barrel or uneven crown at the muzzle?
Accuracy is great and groups are tight. I attribute any fliers to my own technique or damaged pellets, I only sort my own cast pellets. My velocity is 50-60 fps slower than what other forum members are reporting at 8 pumps. I attached a pic of my chrono data averages.
Column A and Column C are with four pumps, column E is my PR900. Column B and D are eight pumps.
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There are a few things that could cause that...
Just to name a couple..
Misaligned valve to tp to barrel.
Damaged TP oring.
Ill fitting probe or oring.
Under or over oiled piston cup.
Leaks.... here is a good test for leaks....
Pump you gun up as normal and shoot it over the chrono.
Now pump the gun up as normal and let it sit for an hour or so before shooting it over the chrono an compare the numbers.
I once had a metal/metal Daisy 880 that was inconsistent on accuracy.. to say the least. Finally I figured it out.... If the gun sat for any length of time between shots it would lose valve pressure.
And finally.... operator.. this includes non uniform pumping habits.
Slow and consistent wins the race. A short pause at the top of the stroke allows the gun to 'breathe'. In some cases you can even hear the gun take a gulp of air at the top of the stroke.... give it a second to take it all in.
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The barrels on these 362's get dirty fast, I thought my BugBuster took a dive so I put a 4 power on it but that was shooting all over the place too, cleaned the barrel and it's shooting much better, the older Crosman barrels never seemed to get dirty near this fast at all, maybe it's just a breaking in thing hopefully.
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I wonder what the twist rate is on these ??? When I looked down the barrel it looked like a faster twist rate than the older barrels but I could be wrong ???
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There are a few things that could cause that...
Just to name a couple..
Misaligned valve to tp to barrel.
Damaged TP oring.
Ill fitting probe or oring.
Under or over oiled piston cup.
Leaks.... here is a good test for leaks....
Pump you gun up as normal and shoot it over the chrono.
Now pump the gun up as normal and let it sit for an hour or so before shooting it over the chrono an compare the numbers.
I once had a metal/metal Daisy 880 that was inconsistent on accuracy.. to say the least. Finally I figured it out.... If the gun sat for any length of time between shots it would lose valve pressure.
And finally.... operator.. this includes non uniform pumping habits.
Slow and consistent wins the race. A short pause at the top of the stroke allows the gun to 'breathe'. In some cases you can even hear the gun take a gulp of air at the top of the stroke.... give it a second to take it all in.
My velocity is pretty consistent, but I usually shoot pretty soon after pumping. I'll try leaving it pumped for a while next time I shoot.
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There are a few things that could cause that...
Just to name a couple..
Misaligned valve to tp to barrel.
Damaged TP oring.
Ill fitting probe or oring.
Under or over oiled piston cup.
Leaks.... here is a good test for leaks....
Pump you gun up as normal and shoot it over the chrono.
Now pump the gun up as normal and let it sit for an hour or so before shooting it over the chrono an compare the numbers.
I once had a metal/metal Daisy 880 that was inconsistent on accuracy.. to say the least. Finally I figured it out.... If the gun sat for any length of time between shots it would lose valve pressure.
And finally.... operator.. this includes non uniform pumping habits.
Slow and consistent wins the race. A short pause at the top of the stroke allows the gun to 'breathe'. In some cases you can even hear the gun take a gulp of air at the top of the stroke.... give it a second to take it all in.
Have to add just one more possibility... valve nose to pump cup fit causing headspace...
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I got the chance to shoot the 362-811 today after finishing up on the mods I have parts for. I will finish up once I get the extended probe but for now, here is a single shot string of 10 shots at 10m with 4 pumps using standard CPHP's as fodder.
Created: 01-28-2022 04:08:07 PM
Description: C362 1.28.2020
Distance to Chrono (FT): 7.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.028
Bullet Weight (gr): 14.3
Altitude (FT): 960
Temp: 60 °F
BP: 1026.00 inHG
Shots
# FPS FT-LBS PF
10 541
9 525
8 516
7 512
6 516
5 525
4 523
3 539
2 510
1 508
Average: 521.50
StdDev: 11.44
Min: 508
Max: 541
Spread: 33
True MV: 521.50
I am thrilled at the speed for only 4 pumps and the accuracy I am getting with a silly-inexpensive X4 scope is also impressive.
I did a little work on the safety as well since the new brass trigger from Baker lies down so nicely in the trigger housing that I was actually pressing on the safety with my finger, causing some distractions and made for a few pulled shots. I pulled it out and threw it into the lathe, took 0.05" off the end and ran a file and high grit paper on the edges, turned it around and polished the big end up as well.
I ended up turning off enough metal so that the safety sat flush with the trigger housing so that it no longer interfered with pad rest.
The trigger is nice but a little NeverDull shined it up to a nice glow.
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There are a few things that could cause that...
Just to name a couple..
Misaligned valve to tp to barrel.
Damaged TP oring.
Ill fitting probe or oring.
Under or over oiled piston cup.
Leaks.... here is a good test for leaks....
Pump you gun up as normal and shoot it over the chrono.
Now pump the gun up as normal and let it sit for an hour or so before shooting it over the chrono an compare the numbers.
I once had a metal/metal Daisy 880 that was inconsistent on accuracy.. to say the least. Finally I figured it out.... If the gun sat for any length of time between shots it would lose valve pressure.
And finally.... operator.. this includes non uniform pumping habits.
Slow and consistent wins the race. A short pause at the top of the stroke allows the gun to 'breathe'. In some cases you can even hear the gun take a gulp of air at the top of the stroke.... give it a second to take it all in.
My velocity is pretty consistent, but I usually shoot pretty soon after pumping. I'll try leaving it pumped for a while next time I shoot.
Nope, you dont have to wait after pumping, Bill's talking about pausing when you pull the pump all the way out, away from the gun, wait there for a second then slowly close the pump handle, allow the compression to stay cooler and fill the plenum.
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The barrels on these 362's get dirty fast, I thought my BugBuster took a dive so I put a 4 power on it but that was shooting all over the place too, cleaned the barrel and it's shooting much better, the older Crosman barrels never seemed to get dirty near this fast at all, maybe it's just a breaking in thing hopefully.
Wayne, what do you use to clean the barrel? Anything airgun-specific?
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20 post to post pics and web links, greet a few new members and your good to go :)
I will have a 362 totally apart for a good portion of the day, so if anyone wants measurements, or photos, let me know, after some valve porting mods it will not even look like the same gun if all goes as planned ;)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8444)
I want to know how your valve mods work out. My 362 is a little on the anemic side to start. I'm 150' above sea level where it should make more power than most other people, and I'm measuring right at the muzzle. I'll be shopping for an aftermarket valve, but I'm hoping to have similar results to you!
Hey spacebus, sorry to hear you’re not happy with the power. How is your accuracy and consistency? If you’re making consistent power (even if it’s low), and you’re getting good groups, you’re ahead of the game. Should be fairly easy to “power-up” an otherwise decent shooting gun. Might fix with new seals. Bad accuracy, in my experience, is often harder to correct. My 397 sat for 2 years in pieces until I found a good, used barrel and tube for it, and my 1377 has been sitting for two years because every barrel I’ve bought for it so far was junk). You’re getting good groups but pulling to one side or the other right? Maybe a slightly tweaked barrel or uneven crown at the muzzle?
Accuracy is great and groups are tight. I attribute any fliers to my own technique or damaged pellets, I only sort my own cast pellets. My velocity is 50-60 fps slower than what other forum members are reporting at 8 pumps. I attached a pic of my chrono data averages.
Column A and Column C are with four pumps, column E is my PR900. Column B and D are eight pumps.
DJ....
This is what I'm talking about.... this is 4 shots at 5 pumps each. Look how close the numbers are. Mind you, this was with the .177 barrel but that really don't matter in this case.
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I use Goo Gone or simple green for my initial cleaning. or balastol, hopes #9 is ok if you have the barrel out of the gun and no O-rings get it on them.
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I have a couple new bolt probes coming... I may take #805 back to the shorty .177 18" barrel.
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Here is a link to my AR style build 8)
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182911.msg156278597#msg156278597 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182911.msg156278597#msg156278597)
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I got mine on Tuesday from Alamo Airguns in SA and have been loving it. Such a simple and light gun. I ordered a 2nd one to mod out.
I wonder what variations Crosman will be bringing out for it. Hopefully a steel breach version at some point.
While I doubt they would... but if they brought out a Sheridan version with a MB, LW barrel and a nice Turkish Walnut stock I'd buy one.
It would also be a great platform for Crosman to do a Centennial model for next year
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There are a few things that could cause that...
Just to name a couple..
Misaligned valve to tp to barrel.
Damaged TP oring.
Ill fitting probe or oring.
Under or over oiled piston cup.
Leaks.... here is a good test for leaks....
Pump you gun up as normal and shoot it over the chrono.
Now pump the gun up as normal and let it sit for an hour or so before shooting it over the chrono an compare the numbers.
I once had a metal/metal Daisy 880 that was inconsistent on accuracy.. to say the least. Finally I figured it out.... If the gun sat for any length of time between shots it would lose valve pressure.
And finally.... operator.. this includes non uniform pumping habits.
Slow and consistent wins the race. A short pause at the top of the stroke allows the gun to 'breathe'. In some cases you can even hear the gun take a gulp of air at the top of the stroke.... give it a second to take it all in.
My velocity is pretty consistent, but I usually shoot pretty soon after pumping. I'll try leaving it pumped for a while next time I shoot.
Nope, you dont have to wait after pumping, Bill's talking about pausing when you pull the pump all the way out, away from the gun, wait there for a second then slowly close the pump handle, allow the compression to stay cooler and fill the plenum.
I was going to leave it pumped up just to see if there's a leak. Since mine lives in the attic I can say the first shot is usually a bit slower, I assume because the rifle is pretty cold being in the attic. My pumping technique is slow and steady, I can't really pump this thing fast with the long pump arm. The Daisy 901 can be pumped much faster.
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I wonder what the twist rate is on these ??? When I looked down the barrel it looked like a faster twist rate than the older barrels but I could be wrong ???
if indeed it is a faster twist rate i wonder if that helps it be so accurate right out of box as both mine already shoot really good with less then 50 shots apiece thru them and can only see them getting better.
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How many pumps does crosman recommend for this model folks ?
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How many pumps does crosman recommend for this model folks ?
8 pumps ;)
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Grassyass!
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Thank you kindly sir.
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Here's my latest number shoot video.
https://youtu.be/4QIv9pwXRaA
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Anyone tried fitting the 362 mechanism into a 2260 wood stock?
I have ordered the 2260 stock.
We'll see what shakes out........
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Ron I'll be looking forward to the results you find with the 2260 stock because I too would like some wood furniture for one of my C362's, you'll have to cut it up for the pump handle but with some patience you very well could succeed.
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Ron I'll be looking forward to the results you find with the 2260 stock because I too would like some wood furniture for one of my C362's, you'll have to cut it up for the pump handle but with some patience you very well could succeed.
Yeah..gonna be interesting.
The machine work shouldn't be a problem...
Removing the forearm/pump handle will require drillng out some rivets.
Then, there's the method of keeping the handle closed.
So little to do....so much time! Wait a minute.............REVERSE that!
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I must admit though the polymer stock that they come with really is nice though, there's a lot to be said about wood furniture though 8)
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I was re-reading this passage from the hard air magazine article:
https://hardairmagazine.com/news/lets-fit-a-steel-breech-to-the-crosman-362/
"If it doesn’t snap into place easily, then something’s wrong. Try again! And maybe again…
Now insert the rear slot head screw in the top rear of the breech and tighten “just enough”. That will hold everything together while you finish assembly.
At this point we tried a “dry fire”, cocking the bolt and pulling the trigger. If everything works well, you can replace those tiny setscrews in the breech and barrel band. Tighten-up the slot-head breech screw, too."
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My new steel breech for my 362 installed easily. Everything snapped into place. Inserted the rear slot head screw in the top rear of the breech and tightened it “just enough”.
Tried a dry fire and the gun wouldn't fire. I had put the new extension probe and handle in and I cocked the bolt to dry fire it, but the gun won't fire.
Help!
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I need to install a longer probe I suspect. I am getting a shotgun pattern at 33 feet. 6 inches or a bit larger.
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I have installed the metal breech . I own 5 1322s , all have a metal breech . So I have a degree of experience with that .
Checked the crown , looks nice.
No obvious burr on the tp hole.
Oiled it upon receiving it.
Cleaned the barrel ( took it off and used hoppe number 9 on it.)
Checked the fps on my chronie , stays within 3 to 6 fps at 8 pumps. 671 was the average.
The only thing I suppose might be wrong is after reading this thread , I Checked the bolts length against the original bolt in the plastic breech.
I have a new extended probe on the way.
I have tested with crosman, rws , daisy , and jsb branded pellets. Same issue with all.
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Finally after nearly two weeks I received my new trigger from MAP. Installed it this evening but didn’t tap the trigger housing for the adjustment screws. That’ll be a project for another day. Looks good though
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Finally scoped 362 using 2 sets of crosman mounts.....3-9x40 scope....doing awsome with 14.3s out to 40y so far,will going farther here soon.. .still getting 710ishfps with the 14.3s at 10 pumps....trigger getting smoother tooo....
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Finally after nearly two weeks I received my new trigger from MAP. Installed it this evening but didn’t tap the trigger housing for the adjustment screws. That’ll be a project for another day. Looks good though
Will that trigger come back a bit when adjusted?
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I was re-reading this passage from the hard air magazine article:
https://hardairmagazine.com/news/lets-fit-a-steel-breech-to-the-crosman-362/ (https://hardairmagazine.com/news/lets-fit-a-steel-breech-to-the-crosman-362/)
"If it doesn’t snap into place easily, then something’s wrong. Try again! And maybe again…
Now insert the rear slot head screw in the top rear of the breech and tighten “just enough”. That will hold everything together while you finish assembly.
At this point we tried a “dry fire”, cocking the bolt and pulling the trigger. If everything works well, you can replace those tiny setscrews in the breech and barrel band. Tighten-up the slot-head breech screw, too."
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My new steel breech for my 362 installed easily. Everything snapped into place. Inserted the rear slot head screw in the top rear of the breech and tightened it “just enough”.
Tried a dry fire and the gun wouldn't fire. I had put the new extension probe and handle in and I cocked the bolt to dry fire it, but the gun won't fire.
Help!
Read this topic;
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195943.msg156280641#msg156280641 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195943.msg156280641#msg156280641)
Note points regarding some members having issue with the green hammer spring spacer.
Then read this, especially noting bolt and hammer positions at different stages of assembly;
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195943.msg156280700#msg156280700 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195943.msg156280700#msg156280700)
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Finally after nearly two weeks I received my new trigger from MAP. Installed it this evening but didn’t tap the trigger housing for the adjustment screws. That’ll be a project for another day. Looks good though
Will that trigger come back a bit when adjusted?
I was thinking that also as My Baker trigger sits much closer to the trigger guard when at rest.
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like this.
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Intermounts seem to hold pretty good so far.
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Does anybody have any jsb 15.89 test info?? Such as groups and velocitys....would be much appreciated.
Ive shot.. all 10 pumps
Cphp 14.3 at 720fps. Groups great.
H&n. 14.66 at 705..great but right.
Excite 15.74 at 675 good but pointed
Vortex 17.75 at 645..very good but high left?
Jsb 18.13 at 740..probaly best so far.
All at 30yards in 20degree temps.
Thanx..
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Thanx
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I was curious so I put the OEM trigger back in to see. And it looks like the MAP trigger actually sits further back. I just laid a ruler across the trigger guard so sorry it’s not super precise measurements. I also laid the MAP trigger on top of the OEM trigger and lined them up with a pin through the holes. The thin MAP trigger follows the line of back of the OEM plastic trigger.
I think if I install the screws I can adjust the trigger so that it sits back further. I didn’t realize there was a ridge on the back of the trigger housing. Not sure how I’ll do this. Not really wanting to do too much grinding on it. I though I had a tap but doesn’t look like I do. 😕 so this will have to wait for awhile longer
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I believe I was getting some around 650-660 with the jsb 15.89’s with 12 pumps. My number of pumps probably isn’t going to mean to much to anyone else with our thinner air up here. The 15.89 did seem to group good. However H&N 18’s did great shooting in the 620’s but the H&N 15 did not do any good at all.
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Even with the Baker trigger, I want to bring the blade back a little and reduce the pull weight to about 1 pound. I would like about 1mm of take up, a sharp break and 2mm of overtravel.
Thanks to you all for showing me the positions of the screws and the adjustments you can get with them. I hope to work on this some next week. ;D
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Even with the Baker trigger, I want to bring the blade back a little and reduce the pull weight to about 1 pound. I would like about 1mm of take up, a sharp break and 2mm of overtravel.
Thanks to you all for showing me the positions of the screws and the adjustments you can get with them. I hope to work on this some next week. ;D
The MAP trigger blade is just too far.
Mine, whole MAP trigger assembly, works fine 'cuz it's in a thumbhole stock.
I actually prefer straight blades.
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Even with the Baker trigger, I want to bring the blade back a little and reduce the pull weight to about 1 pound. I would like about 1mm of take up, a sharp break and 2mm of overtravel.
Thanks to you all for showing me the positions of the screws and the adjustments you can get with them. I hope to work on this some next week. ;D
The MAP trigger blade is just too far.
Mine, whole MAP trigger assembly, works fine 'cuz it's in a thumbhole stock.
I actually prefer straight blades.
For benchrest shooting, I like a button pad, so you can feel the finger pad pressure. Here are some Anchutz trigger pad ideas, very tactile.
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I don’t know that I like the MAP trigger all that much either. I tried the Baker brass trigger in my Disco and I didn’t care for it at all so I sold it and got a Gen I Marauder trigger. That’s the only way to go IMO.
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I remembered I had this for another project I’ve yet to start. I probably will need to make a shim and I’ll need to get a screw for the trigger guard and tap the hole. But before I do that I need to decide if I can live with the gap around the stock and trigger group…
Hmmm….
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I don’t know that I like the MAP trigger all that much either. I tried the Baker brass trigger in my Disco and I didn’t care for it at all so I sold it and got a Gen I Marauder trigger. That’s the only way to go IMO.
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I remembered I had this for another project I’ve yet to start. I probably will need to make a shim and I’ll need to get a screw for the trigger guard and tap the hole. But before I do that I need to decide if I can live with the gap around the stock and trigger group…
Hmmm….
Have the Challenger guard on my Maximus - not the most attractive, but functional.
In all likelihood a 0.030 shim will be needed - the issue, of course, being M-Rod wall at 0.095" and all the others including the 362 at 0.065" wall. But a question - Now we are down two tube sizes (.i.e., diameters) from 1.25" to 0.875" and now to 0.75" Any rocking or instability of the trigger frame?
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I don’t know that I like the MAP trigger all that much either. I tried the Baker brass trigger in my Disco and I didn’t care for it at all so I sold it and got a Gen I Marauder trigger. That’s the only way to go IMO.
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I remembered I had this for another project I’ve yet to start. I probably will need to make a shim and I’ll need to get a screw for the trigger guard and tap the hole. But before I do that I need to decide if I can live with the gap around the stock and trigger group…
Hmmm….
Have the Challenger guard on my Maximus - not the most attractive, but functional.
In all likelihood a 0.030 shim will be needed - the issue, of course, being M-Rod wall at 0.095" and all the others including the 362 at 0.065" wall. But a question - Now we are down two tube sizes (.i.e., diameters) from 1.25" to 0.875" and now to 0.75" Any rocking or instability of the trigger frame?
Check out this thread re optional trigger guard:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=46273.0#msg434427 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=46273.0#msg434427)
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Went a robbed the Gen I Marauder trigger off my .22 Fortitude. I got this one from DiscosRUs so it came with the metal shim. It mounts up just fine and it’s solid. No rocking. I might run with this or a bit. Honestly I think no matter what trigger is on the 362 it won’t be 100% right for me. I have to remember That this is a youth rifle and the grip is a little small and too thin for my hand.
I know the Challenger trigger guard isn’t the most attractive but it’s functional. I’ve heard the Trail trigger guard is an alternative. Next time I order something from Crosman I might just buy one to see.
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I personally think it looks better w/o the L trigger guard.
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I dunno if Austin Revisions makes his own trigger guards as he does filler caps:
https://www.airgunrevisions.com/ (https://www.airgunrevisions.com/)
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I dunno if Austin Revisions makes his own trigger guards as he does filler caps:
https://www.airgunrevisions.com/ (https://www.airgunrevisions.com/)
I wanted to thank you, Rick for that tip you gave me the other day about the right way to hold the 362 when loading a pellet. You said to hold it up to keep it from jamming and you were right as rain. The pellets snap right in that way.
I was a little confused at first because to me holding something up is to raise it by a few degrees. Rather than being straight up: aka 90 degree's.
90 degree's is the ticket for loading the 362.
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Jacob since polishing the contact points in my trigger mecha it's much nicer with a very predictable break in the trigger now. I used a small fine hone stone on it.
https://youtu.be/JBPAvEqDoAM
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Jacob since polishing the contact points in my trigger mecha it's much nicer with a very predictable break in the trigger now. I used a small fine hone stone on it.
I did that too. I used a diamond hone on the contact points and smoothed the trigger parts with an arkansas stone. Then I lubed the metal parts. I'd wanted to use some lithium grease on the trigger and return spring, but I couldn't find it. There's no more gritty feeling to the trigger though.
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I had a Mac1 scope base on hand, didn't bother with a steel breech. Took the muffler off my Disco, which hasn't been shot in some time. Didn't do anything else to it. I reckon I've got close to 500 rounds through it. The trigger has gotten the roughness worked out of it and seems easier to use now. Most accurate pellet is still JSB 14.3. I mostly shoot with 4 or 5 pumps. I mounted the scope as shown to keep the breech unobstructed, works great. I like this gun a lot.
(https://i.imgur.com/TKyQhR1.jpg)
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I just swapped the trigger return spring with one from a ball point pen and it made a huge difference.
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While I don't disagree, it sure would be cool if a .25 cal barrel for lego guns got added to the Crosman parts bin...
AGREE!
well a .20 would be nice also.. ;)
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Yep, I would go for a .20.
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My c362 is barely cracking 600 FPS at eight pumps with Crosman Premier 14.3 pellets. Any suggestions? At this point I'm ready to toss it in a closet :-\
I was going to try and return it, but I foolishly put the Baker aluminum breech on the gun and now have marks from the set screws, so now I doubt they will take it back. Plus some of the bluing on the barrel came off while it was sitting in my attic for a few weeks.
Last night I pumped it up to eight pumps and just a few minutes ago fired the shot. I was down to about 560 FPS, on eight pumps. Sounds like it has a leak going by what others have said.
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Put 2 pumps in it, let it sit overnight and see if it's still got pressure.
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Put 2 pumps in it, let it sit overnight and see if it's still got pressure.
Wayne, I literally pumped it up last night and fired this morning, the velocity was down about 40 FPS.
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I did not get a leak until I modified the valve, when I took it apart to check, and add a wrap of teflon tape, I did discover some trash in the valve it may have been created when I spun the poppet against the valve to get a tighter seal, but must of missed some residue from the process.
Your best bet now would be take the valve out and open it clean it and the pump tube and retest for leaks.
It could possibly be a cracked poppet from shooting in cold conditions ???
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Sounds like it has a leak going by what others have said.
Valve poppet or check valve -- both inside the valve.
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Worse case, if you don't feel you can return it it to post it as a basket case here in the classifieds and sell it to someone that wants it as a parts gun. :-\
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I did not get a leak until I modified the valve, when I took it apart to check, and add a wrap of teflon tape, I did discover some trash in the valve it may have been created when I spun the poppet against the valve to get a tighter seal, but must of missed some residue from the process.
Your best bet now would be take the valve out and open it clean it and the pump tube and retest for leaks.
It could possibly be a cracked poppet from shooting in cold conditions ???
Thanks, that's a great point, I've only shot this rifle in cold conditions since new, 200ish shots below freezing.
Is Crosman selling parts for this rifle yet? My piston has a nasty gouge right above the pump cup. That might not matter, but it makes me wonder if the pump tube is scored up.
Rather than sell it for parts I would rather slowly get the parts together to fix it, and might as well hot rod it at that point.
I'm on the Crosman support page on the email system and I don't even see the c362 on the list of guns/equipment! I'd rather not call since this is something that can be handled with an email.
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Worse case, if you don't feel you can return it it to post it as a basket case here in the classifieds and sell it to someone that wants it as a parts gun. :-\
I would rather fix it and hot rod it before selling it for parts. The Baker breech is nice, but the supplied screw is maybe 2-3mm too short, but I have a few plastic washers that allow me use the aluminum breech sans factory sight. Hopefully the hardware store has similar screws, because I can't get a good cheek weld using a red dot on the Baker breech.
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Is Crosman selling parts for this rifle yet? My piston has a nasty gouge right above the pump cup. That might not matter, but it makes me wonder if the pump tube is scored up.
There is no EVP as yet - still too new. The valve is the same as 13xx guns so those parts are available.
The gouge, while not demonstrating excellent QC, would not be an issue if not to the cup retention groove.
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Is Crosman selling parts for this rifle yet? My piston has a nasty gouge right above the pump cup. That might not matter, but it makes me wonder if the pump tube is scored up.
There is no EVP as yet - still too new. The valve is the same as 13xx guns so those parts are available.
The gouge, while not demonstrating excellent QC, would not be an issue if not to the cup retention groove.
Not the best photo, but it should give an idea.
I saw someone posting that a 760(?) piston and valve assembly are almost the same length, but I can't remember who posted it or which thread. I think the Mountain Air flat top piston would work with the right length threaded rod.
Any advice on taking out the guts? I've never taken apart a pumper, just my SPA PCPs
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The valve is the same as the 13xx and the piston is close to the 2100 piston.
That gash on the piston tells me there was a bur in the tube and probably nicked the valve o-ring.
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The valve is the same as the 13xx and the piston is close to the 2100 piston.
That gash on the piston tells me there was a bur in the tube and probably nicked the valve o-ring.
I guess I'll be taking it apart soon.
Something else worth noting, I almost always get a puff of air when I shoot, and have since new. Is this a TP alignment problem?
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The valve is the same as the 13xx and the piston is close to the 2100 piston.
That gash on the piston tells me there was a bur in the tube and probably nicked the valve o-ring.
I guess I'll be taking it apart soon.
Something else worth noting, I almost always get a puff of air when I shoot, and have since new. Is this a TP alignment problem?
Right, usually a TP or probe sealing issue.
Squirt a few drops of oil into the TP area and close the bolt.
Fire a pellet and the oil residue should show where the leak is.
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The valve is the same as the 13xx and the piston is close to the 2100 piston.
That gash on the piston tells me there was a bur in the tube and probably nicked the valve o-ring.
I guess I'll be taking it apart soon.
Something else worth noting, I almost always get a puff of air when I shoot, and have since new. Is this a TP alignment problem?
Right, usually a TP or probe sealing issue.
Squirt a few drops of oil into the TP area and close the bolt.
Fire a pellet and oil should show where the leak is.
Is there any trick to this? My SPA guns have a seal above and below the TP, but this Crosman setup only has one. I have a "fancy" MAP TP with a new seal, and it was doing the same thing. I feel like the problem was even worse with the Baker Breech.
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The valve is the same as the 13xx and the piston is close to the 2100 piston.
That gash on the piston tells me there was a bur in the tube and probably nicked the valve o-ring.
I guess I'll be taking it apart soon.
Something else worth noting, I almost always get a puff of air when I shoot, and have since new. Is this a TP alignment problem?
Right, usually a TP or probe sealing issue.
Squirt a few drops of oil into the TP area and close the bolt.
Fire a pellet and oil should show where the leak is.
Is there any trick to this? My SPA guns have a seal above and below the TP, but this Crosman setup only has one. I have a "fancy" MAP TP with a new seal, and it was doing the same thing. I feel like the problem was even worse with the Baker Breech.
Update!
When I first took the breech off of my rifle I paid close attention to how it was put together, especially the orientation of the TP. I put it back the same way with the exception of the Bake breech setup. Well, it seems like Crosman put my TP in upside down from the factory. The MAP transfer port and seal are installed now, and I am getting 10-ish more FPS than I was getting before, so an improvement. Still have to address the 35 FPS loss from sitting overnight, but it is not a priority. Today or tomorrow I'm thinking about going to the hardware store with my rifle to get the appropriate rear breech screw so I can use my OEM tombstone sight with the Baker Breech. I'm also thinking about a nice muzzle brake with integrated front sight.
With eight pumps I'm averaging 640 FPS with 14.3 CPHP (13 FPE), which is close to what I was getting before, a touch faster.
I accidentally went up to nine pumps a couple of times and hit 665 FPS (14 FPE), this is more in line with what other people are seeing, just a touch lower.
For whatever reason it seems like my c362 wants an extra pump to match velocities with what other people are seeing. It's like I'm shooting at high altitude, but my house is only 150' above sea level.
Unfortunately I don't have another chronograph, but I wonder if mine "reads low" or something. It clamps to the muzzle, so I assumed it would read higher compared to what others are seeing.
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Is Crosman selling parts for this rifle yet? My piston has a nasty gouge right above the pump cup. That might not matter, but it makes me wonder if the pump tube is scored up.
There is no EVP as yet - still too new. The valve is the same as 13xx guns so those parts are available.
The gouge, while not demonstrating excellent QC, would not be an issue if not to the cup retention groove.
Not the best photo, but it should give an idea.
I saw someone posting that a 760(?) piston and valve assembly are almost the same length, but I can't remember who posted it or which thread. I think the Mountain Air flat top piston would work with the right length threaded rod.
Any advice on taking out the guts? I've never taken apart a pumper, just my SPA PCPs
That (mostly) transverse gash was not done by a burr in the tube. Unless the piston was turned while inserting into the tube.
The only issue on disassembly is removing the pin at the front. Really should be done with a punch that has a centering nub. It can be done with a standard punch of correct size with appropriate care.
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With eight pumps I'm averaging 640 FPS with 14.3 CPHP (13 FPE), which is close to what I was getting before, a touch faster.
I accidentally went up to nine pumps a couple of times and hit 665 FPS (14 FPE), this is more in line with what other people are seeing, just a touch lower.
For whatever reason it seems like my c362 wants an extra pump to match velocities with what other people are seeing. It's like I'm shooting at high altitude, but my house is only 150' above sea level.
Unfortunately I don't have another chronograph, but I wonder if mine "reads low" or something. It clamps to the muzzle, so I assumed it would read higher compared to what others are seeing.
Is this the chronograph you use?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32869754554.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.42684a1clpHmEP&algo_pvid=e969bd4a-5400-4290-9bd1-6fd1157c4121&algo_expid=e969bd4a-5400-4290-9bd1-6fd1157c4121-0&btsid=0bb0623916099909816246692e040b&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_ (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32869754554.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.42684a1clpHmEP&algo_pvid=e969bd4a-5400-4290-9bd1-6fd1157c4121&algo_expid=e969bd4a-5400-4290-9bd1-6fd1157c4121-0&btsid=0bb0623916099909816246692e040b&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_)
Glad your velocity is back. Pump it 10 times and see what fps you get. See if yours can break 700 fps.
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When I first took the breech off of my rifle I paid close attention to how it was put together, especially the orientation of the TP.
EVP of 1322 has long side up
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Is Crosman selling parts for this rifle yet? My piston has a nasty gouge right above the pump cup. That might not matter, but it makes me wonder if the pump tube is scored up.
There is no EVP as yet - still too new. The valve is the same as 13xx guns so those parts are available.
The gouge, while not demonstrating excellent QC, would not be an issue if not to the cup retention groove.
Not the best photo, but it should give an idea.
I saw someone posting that a 760(?) piston and valve assembly are almost the same length, but I can't remember who posted it or which thread. I think the Mountain Air flat top piston would work with the right length threaded rod.
Any advice on taking out the guts? I've never taken apart a pumper, just my SPA PCPs
That (mostly) transverse gash was not done by a burr in the tube. Unless the piston was turned while inserting into the tube.
The only issue on disassembly is removing the pin at the front. Really should be done with a punch that has a centering nub. It can be done with a standard punch of correct size with appropriate care.
Can you link to an appropriate punch? I don't own any and might as well get the right tool for the job. Can you just push the valve out from the back once the piston is out, like a PCP?
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When I first took the breech off of my rifle I paid close attention to how it was put together, especially the orientation of the TP.
EVP of 1322 has long side up
Thanks, I did figure it out. My rifle came with the TP long side down, and has had a puff of air coming out the whole time I've owned the rifle.
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I think the valve comes out just like the 1322 EVP shows - out the front.
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just a note about that chrony you are useing i have the same one and yes mine reads 10 to 30 fps lower then other ones no big deal as long as you know it .especialy for the price of them 30 bucks to your house i have run 500 rds through mine and still works.
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just a note about that chrony you are useing i have the same one and yes mine reads 10 to 30 fps lower then other ones no big deal as long as you know it .especialy for the price of them 30 bucks to your house i have run 500 rds through mine and still works.
Yeah, that's the one. I had to solder the batter back onto the board after using it with my .45 Challenger. The muzzle blast knocked the little panel off the top and sent the battery for a ride. Good to know, because +30 FPS would bring speeds to exactly where I want to be at four and eight pumps.
I'll probably deal with the very slow leak with an upgraded valve when there's an off the shelf flat top piston to match. I'm quite pleased with the Baker breech setup now that I'm no longer getting a "back puffs" when shooting. The included stainless probe and handle have more positive engagement and don't feel like a toy. The factory handle is just too short. Since the Baker breech didn't come with a plug for the back I sprung for an Alchemy Air stainless plug.
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also dj about that chrony we are useing i silconed a small block of wood between the lite sensors because i foolishly blew the second sensor off my first one and by the way my first one was right on the money fps wise till i broke it that was compered to my buddys 200 dol one .any ways the block of wood does not affect the readings and keeps the back sensor from being blown off
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Can you link to an appropriate punch? I don't own any and might as well get the right tool for the job. Can you just push the valve out from the back once the piston is out, like a PCP?
Yes - push out the front.
Here are sets by Wheeler (Not probably what you want):
https://www.wheelertools.com/gunsmithing-tools/hammer-and-punch/ (https://www.wheelertools.com/gunsmithing-tools/hammer-and-punch/)
Try searching for "roll pin punch". Cheaper sets on amazon. (Cannot recall the size at the moment - will look later)
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Can you link to an appropriate punch? I don't own any and might as well get the right tool for the job. Can you just push the valve out from the back once the piston is out, like a PCP?
Yes - push out the front.
Here are sets by Wheeler (Not probably what you want):
https://www.wheelertools.com/gunsmithing-tools/hammer-and-punch/ (https://www.wheelertools.com/gunsmithing-tools/hammer-and-punch/)
Try searching for "roll pin punch". Cheaper sets on amazon. (Cannot recall the size at the moment - will look later)
Those are not bad prices, might be worth it to get the master kit and be able to handle any other roll pins I come across. My tractor and some of my implements have roll pins.
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Try searching for "roll pin punch". Cheaper sets on amazon. (Cannot recall the size at the moment - will look later)
Those are not bad prices, might be worth it to get the master kit and be able to handle any other roll pins I come across. My tractor and some of my implements have roll pins.
Looks to be 3/16" --- Only one that appears to have been used in my small Wheeler set --- And fits the roll pin nicely.
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I guess I'll be taking it apart soon.
Something else worth noting, I almost always get a puff of air when I shoot, and have since new. Is this a TP alignment problem?
I guess I'll be taking it apart soon.
Dang ... so much great info disappeared when the Crosman "Green Forum" shutdown.
I posted this back in 2015 and just now found it in the Green Forum Archives, but the photos are gone... so use your imagination!! If I can find the photos on my server, I'll place them in the correct spots...
(Anything in bold red I added today.)
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Feb 16, 2015#1
This is how we assemble the Discovery rifles (Now the C362, 22xx, etc.) after a tune-up. Benefits: Perfect port seal, rigid breech attachment.
1. (Align the barrel port to the breech port) Insert barrel and tighten the barrel set screw. Use a Q-tip and clean the port area of oil.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/1.JPG)
2. Use a pair of forceps to grasp the port seal by the "short" end. (I usually also take off a few thou from the long end of the port seal to assure a "non-rocking" connection between the breech and airtube.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/2.JPG)
3. We use a industrial packaged version of the common consumer glue "Amazing Goop" ($4-$5 at the local hardware store ... get the "all Purpose" version. Apply a tiny thin bead of glue around the long end of the port seal. Not important how much is on the outside of the port, but none inside the port hole. (I squeeze out a blob and using the forcepts, touch the side of the long end of the port and slowly turn/spin the fordcepts and a ribbon of glue will be pulled off the blob)
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/3.JPG)
4. (Using the forcepts) Carefully place the port into the breech/barrel assembly. Careful not to get glue inside the port, although it is easy to remove before it dries.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/4.JPG)
5. Wait just 30 -60 sec., then remove the overrun from around the port/breech connection. I use a small tool I made, but a flat toothpick will work too. Leave it to cure for 10-15 minutes.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/5.JPG)
6. Get your airtube ready to accept the breech. Degrease the upper portion of the airtube. Insert the striker/striker pin into the airtube, leaving it about 1/4" from the end of the slot. Best to place the airtube assembly in a padded vise or fixture to hold steady while assembling.
Insert your bolt probe into the breech, pushing it forward to clear the striker pin. (Don't thread on the bolt handle yet if your breach uses the rear small breech screw position.)
Apply 3 spots of glue along the underside of the breech ahead of the port, and one between the port and the small breech screw hole. You have to work rather quickly as this stuff sets up quickly.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/6.JPG)
7. Quickly assemble the breech/Barrel assembly to the airtube assembly. Squeeze the breech down while lightly tightening the small breech screw. You will fully tighten it down in the next step.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/7.JPG)
8. I then clamp the assemblies together using 2 quik.clamps. When clamped securely, fully tighten the small breech screw. Let it setup for 10-15 minutes. Before unclamping, insert the breech plug (If your gun has one), the striker spring, airtube end pug and secure with the rear large breech screw.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/8.JPG)
9. There will be glue over run from the sides, but can be brushed away before it fully cures ... maybe 1 hour.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/9.JPG)
10. I use a "M-16" plastic bristle brush to brush away the over run of glue.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/10.JPG)
11. All cleaned up and sealed and tight to the airtube!
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/11.JPG)
Works great on the plastic breech too. Just use enough to fill in some of the forward voids in the plastic breech.
Have a great week folks!
Mike T.
TKO
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Great post, Mike. I've thought about using this or something similar before but always chickened out.
How is it if/when you have to tear it down again? Does it clean up fairly easily?
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Great post, Mike. I've thought about using this or something similar before but always chickened out.
How is it if/when you have to tear it down again? Does it clean up fairly easily?
Easy disassembly. Just a steady pull will separate the breech from the tube. The glue will clean up easily too. The main benefit is the steel on steel of the port/barrel is no longer an issue. The clamping allows more torque on the tiny 4-48 breech screw, but it must be clamped again before disassembly or there is a high risk of stripping the hex head. I use tools by Dynamite for all set screws. Super hard tips. I have used the same set since 2005 in my shop.
https://images.amainhobbies.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=475/images/large/dyn/dyn2904.jpg (https://images.amainhobbies.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=475/images/large/dyn/dyn2904.jpg)
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I guess I'll be taking it apart soon.
Something else worth noting, I almost always get a puff of air when I shoot, and have since new. Is this a TP alignment problem?
I guess I'll be taking it apart soon.
Dang ... so much great info disappeared when the Crosman "Green Forum" shutdown.
I posted this back in 2015 and just now found it in the Green Forum Archives, but the photos are gone... so use your imagination!! If I can find the photos on my server, I'll place them in the correct spots...
(Anything in bold red I added today.)
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Feb 16, 2015#1
This is how we assemble the Discovery rifles (Now the C362, 22xx, etc.) after a tune-up. Benefits: Perfect port seal, rigid breech attachment.
1. (Align the barrel port to the breech port) Insert barrel and tighten the barrel set screw. Use a Q-tip and clean the port area of oil.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/1.JPG)
2. Use a pair of forceps to grasp the port seal by the "short" end. (I usually also take off a few thou from the long end of the port seal to assure a "non-rocking" connection between the breech and airtube.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/2.JPG)
3. We use a industrial packaged version of the common consumer glue "Amazing Goop" ($4-$5 at the local hardware store ... get the "all Purpose" version. Apply a tiny thin bead of glue around the long end of the port seal. Not important how much is on the outside of the port, but none inside the port hole. (I squeeze out a blob and using the forcepts, touch the side of the long end of the port and slowly turn/spin the fordcepts and a ribbon of glue will be pulled off the blob)
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/3.JPG)
4. (Using the forcepts) Carefully place the port into the breech/barrel assembly. Careful not to get glue inside the port, although it is easy to remove before it dries.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/4.JPG)
5. Wait just 30 -60 sec., then remove the overrun from around the port/breech connection. I use a small tool I made, but a flat toothpick will work too. Leave it to cure for 10-15 minutes.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/5.JPG)
6. Get your airtube ready to accept the breech. Degrease the upper portion of the airtube. Insert the striker/striker pin into the airtube, leaving it about 1/4" from the end of the slot. Best to place the airtube assembly in a padded vise or fixture to hold steady while assembling.
Insert your bolt probe into the breech, pushing it forward to clear the striker pin. (Don't thread on the bolt handle yet if your breach uses the rear small breech screw position.)
Apply 3 spots of glue along the underside of the breech ahead of the port, and one between the port and the small breech screw hole. You have to work rather quickly as this stuff sets up quickly.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/6.JPG)
7. Quickly assemble the breech/Barrel assembly to the airtube assembly. Squeeze the breech down while lightly tightening the small breech screw. You will fully tighten it down in the next step.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/7.JPG)
8. I then clamp the assemblies together using 2 quik.clamps. When clamped securely, fully tighten the small breech screw. Let it setup for 10-15 minutes. Before unclamping, insert the breech plug (If your gun has one), the striker spring, airtube end pug and secure with the rear large breech screw.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/8.JPG)
9. There will be glue over run from the sides, but can be brushed away before it fully cures ... maybe 1 hour.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/9.JPG)
10. I use a "M-16" plastic bristle brush to brush away the over run of glue.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/10.JPG)
11. All cleaned up and sealed and tight to the airtube!
(https://ssl.tko22.com/GlueIn/11.JPG)
Works great on the plastic breech too. Just use enough to fill in some of the forward voids in the plastic breech.
Have a great week folks!
Mike T.
TKO
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Thank you for posting that! Do you file the "tall side" of the port to make it shorter? I don't have any machining tools. Next time I have the breech off I'll be using the glue, it sounds like a much easier process. Today while I'm picking up some rear breech screws at the hardware store I'll snag some clamps and glue.
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Thank you for posting that! Do you file the "tall side" of the port to make it shorter? I don't have any machining tools. Next time I have the breech off I'll be using the glue, it sounds like a much easier process. Today while I'm picking up some rear breech screws at the hardware store I'll snag some clamps and glue.
Do not shorten the TP.
I don't glue. There will be a modest improvement with glue or other sealant around the taper at the long (barrel side) part of the TP.
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Thank you for posting that! Do you file the "tall side" of the port to make it shorter? I don't have any machining tools. Next time I have the breech off I'll be using the glue, it sounds like a much easier process. Today while I'm picking up some rear breech screws at the hardware store I'll snag some clamps and glue.
Do not shorten the TP.
I don't glue. There will be a modest improvement with glue or other sealant around the taper at the long (barrel side) part of the TP.
:o
There might be a modest improvement with glue or other sealant but is really unnecessary as long as it is assembled correctly. Shortening the TP would be problematic, it would create a leak space therefore a need to seal it somehow. The TP is not too long it is made to fit into the recessed hole in the barrel, thus shortening the TP would also make it easier for the barrel to rotate out of alignment.
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Do not shorten the TP.
I don't glue. There will be a modest improvement with glue or other sealant around the taper at the long (barrel side) part of the TP.
There might be a modest improvement
Perhaps a better phrase.
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Do not shorten the TP.
I don't glue. There will be a modest improvement with glue or other sealant around the taper at the long (barrel side) part of the TP.
There might be a modest improvement
Perhaps a better phrase.
Thanks! I'm very new to this platform.
I found a 8/32 x 1" hex cap screw at the hardware store that worked perfectly for my rear breech screw with the Baker aluminum breech, but I did have to file it a bit to make it short enough to not bind with the spring. I also picked up a shorter screw so I can run without a rear sight if I go with a scope or something, which seems unlikely. I'm hoping to make good groups with the factory irons at 20 yards, otherwise I'll probably invest in a low profile Williams peep sight.
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I'm trying to source a cheaper front breech screw. I don't want to pay nearly $15 bucks for 2 of them on fleabay. I haven't had any luck yet, but that 1.5mm allen head is ridiculous.
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I'm trying to source a cheaper front breech screw. I don't want to pay nearly $15 bucks for 2 of them on fleabay. I haven't had any luck yet, but that 1.5mm allen head is ridiculous.
I'll be home this evening, let me check my stock, if I have them, it will be a bag of 50. I'm shipping bolt handles tomorrow on my day off so I could send a couple to you.
I have to change mine out too so I'll remember... maybe. :o
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I can't remember where I got those SS Torx head ones... it's been a few years. I had one left and used it. Someone also had the slotted ones.
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The ones that I've got I bought from Crosman a long time ago, whenever I order parts from Crosman I'll always order more than I need because they're so inexpensive which helps for the shipping costs as well. Back when I ordered mine I also bought a couple 2240 valves and a Prod valve as well.
I did shoot my C362 again this morning too 8)
https://youtu.be/jlxQkiMdi0U
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I can't remember where I got those SS Torx head ones... it's been a few years. I had one left and used it. Someone also had the slotted ones.
Only Magnum Air Power makes them, the stainless torx screws.
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I can't remember where I got those SS Torx head ones... it's been a few years. I had one left and used it. Someone also had the slotted ones.
Only Magnum Air Power makes them, the stainless torx screws.
No, they are a standard hardware item, just not super popular. They are available in spline, hex, Philips, torx and slotted in 304 stainless and oxide coated steel.
I will cut the countersink off the shoulder before I buy them cut that way.
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AFAIK, MAP had them made like his high tensile strength torx valve screws.
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I'm starting to think my barrel is bent. My aluminum breech has some light showing under the front, but not the back.
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I must give kudos to Crosman for having about the best polymer stock that I've had on a gun, they're a really solid good feeling stock for being polymer. No idea where the injection mold was made for these stocks but more than likely I'd say China. My younger brother built injection molds for years for about 3 different mold shops in the area, He retired in his early 50's and his biggest complaint was having to fix China molds.
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AFAIK, MAP had them made like his high tensile strength torx valve screws.
He could have but it's much cheaper to have a screw company rep find the parts pre-made.
Depends on use as well, high tensile is silly for light thread engagement as is high shear.
A grade 5 is perfect for the minimal threading the tube has.
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Last I heard was Crosman was still making all their srews and bolts in house yet.
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Thank you for posting that! Do you file the "tall side" of the port to make it shorter? I don't have any machining tools. Next time I have the breech off I'll be using the glue, it sounds like a much easier process. Today while I'm picking up some rear breech screws at the hardware store I'll snag some clamps and glue.
Do not shorten the TP.
I don't glue. There will be a modest improvement with glue or other sealant around the taper at the long (barrel side) part of the TP.
:o
There might be a modest improvement with glue or other sealant but is really unnecessary as long as it is assembled correctly. Shortening the TP would be problematic, it would create a leak space therefore a need to seal it somehow. The TP is not too long it is made to fit into the recessed hole in the barrel, thus shortening the TP would also make it easier for the barrel to rotate out of alignment.
This is the way I did it when assembly-after-resealing/tuning 1-2 Crosman and or Discovery rifles and pistols a week for a ~6 year span... That's a bunch of guns! Shortening the TP by a couple thou won't hurt a thing when glued in, and will help eliminate the forward upward tipping of the breech ... which Spacebus is now seeing on his gun with his alu breech.
Lots of ways to skin a cat, and I didn't have any cats complain!
Mike T.
TKO
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I use 3145 RTV, just not so much.
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I've set tissue paper on mine right next to where the breech is with 8 pumps it doesn't even move the tissue at all. I doubt I'll ever be using glue on mine, it's going to stay the way it is.
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No glue here either.. If I ever feel the need to do a TP mod it will be the ice maker tube.
Pull the seal out of the tube, put the TP in it and measure it with the calipers. Then cut the ice maker tube to the same length.
To install a stock tp..
I put the barrel in the breech and align the tp, breech and barrel then tighten the set screw.
Next I fit the breech on the tube aligning the tp and tube and put the small screw in only hand tight.
Next I put the rear screw in and crank it down.
Then I squeeze the front of the breech to the tube and tighten the small screw.
And finally, the barrel band.
I have never had a 'rocking' breech and if I have a leak I replace the seal.
I must have done it this way 100 times over the years.
I have used a wood furniture clamp in the past but not much anymore.
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If you have a 'rocking' breech, chances are you have the tp in upside down. Long side goes up.
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Sometime I might try making a delrin transfer port but in all honesty the gun with a lighter hammer spring (2240 spring) is probably the only thing more that I'll be doing to my first one, the second one hasn't had a pellet through it yet. I figure 16fpe coming from a gun like this is plenty for what I'm going to be using it for.
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No glue here either.. If I ever feel the need to do a TP mod it will be the ice maker tube.
Pull the seal out of the tube, put the TP in it and measure it with the calipers. Then cut the ice maker tube to the same length.
To install a stock tp..
I put the barrel in the breech and align the tp, breech and barrel then tighten the set screw.
Next I fit the breech on the tube aligning the tp and tube and put the small screw in only hand tight.
Next I put the rear screw in and crank it down.
Then I squeeze the front of the breech to the tube and tighten the small screw.
And finally, the barrel band.
I have never had a 'rocking' breech and if I have a leak I replace the seal.
I must have done it this way 100 times over the years.
I have used a wood furniture clamp in the past but not much anymore.
I always do the 4-48 screw first. The front is full-on down - and no fear of stripping. Either way can benefit from mechanical clamping.
Something to consider on 13xx guns, and the 362 is essentially one of them, the breeches do not fill as well on the outer edges as on the 22xx guns with their larger diameter tube. Flashlight may shine through on these outer edges. The center TP area should be down.
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https://youtu.be/e2YMChgzEho
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I'm surprised to see people using metric hex keys for their screws. I am definitely using one measured in thousandths of an inch, and it fits very tight. I think the hex key would bend/twist before I strip that screw. I'm going to pull the barrel again and see if it really is bent. It could have been more damaged in shipping than I realized.
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I'm surprised to see people using metric hex keys for their screws. I am definitely using one measured in thousandths of an inch, and it fits very tight. I think the hex key would bend/twist before I strip that screw. I'm going to pull the barrel again and see if it really is bent. It could have been more damaged in shipping than I realized.
I checked the barrel with my electric glass top range (which I hate) and it didn't seem bent. I put the breech back on and this time it sat perfectly flat even after tightening the rear screw. I'm going to do some velocity testing today and maybe all will be well. I seem to have lost my OEM TP, which is annoying but not a big loss. Yesterday I was having groups all over the place in elevation, and felt ready to give up on it, but today I guess I felt more motivated. I also couldn't even get on paper at 20 yards with four pumps, but that may be better now.
The trigger definitely not worthy and does not seem to be getting any better. I think that will be the next thing I address. Is there anything that works well that is also a drop in replacement? The triggers on the rest of my guns work perfectly fine for me and I've never needed to adjust anything.
I'm also thinking about the fancy MAP hammer. The rough cocking, due to the sloppy hammer pin, not worthy. Yesterday I wanted to pull the stock and felt really stupid for not being able to figure out how. There don't seem to be any visible screws, and I don't have the manual handy, if the info is even in there. If I could get to the hammer I could at least try peening the bottom section a bit for a tighter fit, as mentioned earlier on this thread (I think).
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DJ, sometimes just stepping away and going back in a new light makes all the difference in the World.
When I find issues that I don't quite understand and cannot resolve I try to carefully observe what I am doing.
After a break, maybe even sleep on it, I go back to it and try different approaches.... change the process.
You know what they say.... the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. ;)
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DJ, sometimes just stepping away and going back in a new light makes all the difference in the World.
When I find issues that I don't quite understand and cannot resolve I try to carefully observe what I am doing.
After a break, maybe even sleep on it, I go back to it and try different approaches.... change the process.
You know what they say.... the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. ;)
I'll run some shots through the chronograph today and maybe go up in the attic and zero for 30'. My rifle has been puffing air out the breech area since new, but wasn't doing it even with the gap at the front of the breech. Maybe today I'll make full power on eight pumps.
Edit: There's definitely a leak. The faster I pump, the faster it shoots. If I pump up slow, I get less velocity. If I pump fast and wait, it's like I pumped one less pump. If I pump slow and then wait, velocity goes down even more.
My peak velocity pumping up nine times and shooting as quickly as possible was 665 FPS with 14.3 CPUM. Still a bit less than everyone else is getting on eight pumps. No puffs of air, no leaks, and groups well even though I wasn't trying to make groups.
If there were a flat top piston and valve combo available I would probably order it. I still have to figure out how to take this thing apart, so that's the next thing to do.
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DJ, sometimes just stepping away and going back in a new light makes all the difference in the World.
When I find issues that I don't quite understand and cannot resolve I try to carefully observe what I am doing.
After a break, maybe even sleep on it, I go back to it and try different approaches.... change the process.
You know what they say.... the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. ;)
My peak velocity pumping up nine times and shooting as quickly as possible was 665 FPS with 14.3 CPUM. Still a bit less than everyone else is getting on eight pumps. No puffs of air, no leaks, and groups well even though I wasn't trying to make groups.
You've got it licked, D. J.. Why not stop there?
665 fps at 9 pumps is nothing to sneeze at.
You're getting good groups without even trying?
Accuracy is what counts most. You can now get good groups with your 362 without even trying to get good groups. Congratulations!
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DJ, sometimes just stepping away and going back in a new light makes all the difference in the World.
When I find issues that I don't quite understand and cannot resolve I try to carefully observe what I am doing.
After a break, maybe even sleep on it, I go back to it and try different approaches.... change the process.
You know what they say.... the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. ;)
My peak velocity pumping up nine times and shooting as quickly as possible was 665 FPS with 14.3 CPUM. Still a bit less than everyone else is getting on eight pumps. No puffs of air, no leaks, and groups well even though I wasn't trying to make groups.
You've got it licked, D. J.. Why not stop there?
665 fps at 9 pumps is nothing to sneeze at.
You're getting good groups without even trying?
Accuracy is what counts most. You can now get good groups with your 362 without even trying to get good groups. Congratulations!
Close, but it's not "licked", it's leaking. Didn't have accuracy problems out of the box, just inconsistent groups due to velocity changes. Hard to get peak accuracy when elevation changes even at the same number of pumps. I swear you just don't even read the comments and instead just want to be contrary with me specifically. The rifle won't hold air and has huge changes in velocity because of that. Unless a 100 FPS difference and leaking valves is "normal" for Crosman products :o
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Just FYI. I know it’s been brought up elsewhere but the bolt nose is extended on the plastic breech(right) and not on the steel.(left). My gun has been shooting accurately with the shorter nosed pusher but I know there’s gotta be a drop in FPS.
Also if the plastic breech bolt handle is threaded they glued it in. It snapped right off when I tried to unthread it.
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It is not threaded - certainly not in the past.
If you could drill it out clean, and sleeve it (the ID will be too large), and accurately thread it; then it would be ready. More a labor of love than getting something else.
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Might try what the classic pumper people do to revive a leaky gun. Alcohol Flush it :)
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Just FYI. I know it’s been brought up elsewhere but the bolt nose is extended on the plastic breech(right) and not on the steel.(left). My gun has been shooting accurately with the shorter nosed pusher but I know there’s gotta be a drop in FPS.
Also if the plastic breech bolt handle is threaded they glued it in. It snapped right off when I tried to unthread it.
My probe is the same length as the factory, not the problem. It literally leaks. I can pump it up shoot, and get one velocity. Do the same number of pumps, wait a few minutes, and get a 15 FPS (this goes up over time) velocity drop. There's a 15 FPS drop just from pumping it up slowly. That runs counter to what most people say, but their guns probably don't leak.
Might try what the classic pumper people do to revive a leaky gun. Alcohol Flush it :)
I was hoping someone could tell me how to take the stock off of the action. There are no obvious screws besides the large one that holds the magnet striker. I would like to peen the bottom of the hammer pin and see if I can get the valve to stop leaking.
How does the alcohol flush work? I might have some rubbing alcohol around here.
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DJ, once that large screw is out and the safety cross bar is remove the stock comes off.... it's a really tight fit but it will come off.
That said, make sure you get it just as tight when you put it back on. And I can tell you from experience, after a dozen or so times of removing it and putting it back on, it gets easier.... :-\
Oh yeah.... be sure to move your coffee off the bench before popping the tight stock off..... don't ask.
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DJ, once that large screw is out and the safety cross bar is remove the stock comes off.... it's a really tight fit but it will come off.
That said, make sure you get it just as tight when you put it back on. And I can tell you from experience, after a dozen or so times of removing it and putting it back on, it gets easier.... :-\
Oh yeah.... be sure to move your coffee off the bench before popping the tight stock off..... don't ask.
I feel even more dumb now LOL! How does the safety come out? Is it just as easy as pulling on it? The action must sit in there really tight because it didn't budge when I was trying to pull it out of the stock earlier.
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Behind the trigger there is a slot that runs up and down in line with the trigger in the inside of the trigger guard. You have to reach in with a pick and pull the lawyer spring forward to let the safety fall out the big hole side.
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Behind the trigger there is a slot that runs up and down in line with the trigger in the inside of the trigger guard. You have to reach in with a pick and pull the lawyer spring forward to let the safety fall out the big hole side.
I've got it torn down as far as I can for now. Need to get a roll pin punch set. The hammer pin hole does not appear to be perfectly round, so that explains the slop. I put a small flat spot on the bottom of the pin with a pair of needle nose vice grips and I had to turn it to get it tightly fitted in the hole. It still comes out, but needs a bit more force now. Will probably leave it torn down until I can get the roll pin out. I might check the local hardware store for a kit.
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Just fair warning.... that safety is frustrating to put back in until you get the hang of it.... ;)
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It is not threaded - certainly not in the past.
If you could drill it out clean, and sleeve it (the ID will be too large), and accurately thread it; then it would be ready. More a labor of love than getting something else.
I did drill it out and retapped it to 10-32. I threaded the broken handle to 10-32 and it’s a stubby handle but will work.
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It is not threaded - certainly not in the past.
If you could drill it out clean, and sleeve it (the ID will be too large), and accurately thread it; then it would be ready. More a labor of love than getting something else.
I did drill it out and retapped it to 10-32. I threaded the broken handle to 10-32 and it’s a stubby handle but will work.
I tapped mine to 8-32 and have the stock 2240 handle on it, I told how I did mine a while back, I used a dremel on the riveted side of the handle, drove it out with a punch, ran a #29 drill through it and tapped to 8-32, perfect fit.
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I did one too Wayne... I haven't even pulled the MAP bolts out of the ziploc yet.
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Bill I might even get out in the woods with mine tomorrow, I'll be using "Hunters" at 8 pumps with it. Hopefully it won't be raining when I get out there ??? That temp is on the rise right now.
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My Brother is coming for a visit this weekend.... I haven't seen my Brother in more than 30 years. Don't even remember the last time. He and I have way different lifestyles.... :-\
But, he's coming anyways.. should be an interesting visit.
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You are NOT going to believe this!
Momma asked if I had any new guns so I showed her the 362 and when she shouldered it, she cooed. Yes, cooed! A second one is one its way now, she is in LOVE with the Baker brass trigger and the LOP the 362 has. The down side is that I think I lost 811 and I get the new one. :-\
What's that list of stuff I got to build this one with? :P
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David they REALLY are fun guns to tinker with, I've been well versed with the 22xx platform for quite a while too. Super easy guns to work on IMO 8)
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David they REALLY are fun guns to tinker with, I've been well versed with the 22xx platform for quite a while too. Super easy guns to work on IMO 8)
Wayne, I discovered that for myself over the past month. Baker trigger, trigger spring, sear spring bend, LDC, 4X32 and clank damper. I think I am going to have to paint hers, black is not her color. :o
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David they REALLY are fun guns to tinker with, I've been well versed with the 22xx platform for quite a while too. Super easy guns to work on IMO 8)
Wayne, I discovered that for myself over the past month. Baker trigger, trigger spring, sear spring bend, LDC, 4X32 and clank damper. I think I am going to have to paint hers, black is not her color. :o
I don't remember the brand, but it's one of the rattle cans that bonds to plastic and its holding up well on my wife's Daisy 35. Can you guess her favorite color?
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David they REALLY are fun guns to tinker with, I've been well versed with the 22xx platform for quite a while too. Super easy guns to work on IMO 8)
Wayne, I discovered that for myself over the past month. Baker trigger, trigger spring, sear spring bend, LDC, 4X32 and clank damper. I think I am going to have to paint hers, black is not her color. :o
I don't remember the brand, but it's one of the rattle cans that bonds to plastic and its holding up well on my wife's Daisy 35. Can you guess her favorite color?
Momma likes earth colors, I'd show you but no PB on GTA. ::) Looking at browns, tans, etc. I have the cans already, just have to strip the gun and set up the masking. Oak leaf camo is the desired color scheme.
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David they REALLY are fun guns to tinker with, I've been well versed with the 22xx platform for quite a while too. Super easy guns to work on IMO 8)
Wayne, I discovered that for myself over the past month. Baker trigger, trigger spring, sear spring bend, LDC, 4X32 and clank damper. I think I am going to have to paint hers, black is not her color. :o
I think they'd look really cool done in camo myself 8)
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She dead Mention a Dark purple as well, we Will have To see What she Comes up With.You know I really don't like Amazon kindles Voice to text,It capitalizes a lot of useless words
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She dead Mention a Dark purple as well, we Will have To see What she Comes up With.You know I really don't like Amazon kindles Voice to text,It capitalizes a lot of useless words
You should see what voice to text comes up with trying to decipher my southern drawl.
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David they REALLY are fun guns to tinker with, I've been well versed with the 22xx platform for quite a while too. Super easy guns to work on IMO 8)
Wayne, I discovered that for myself over the past month. Baker trigger, trigger spring, sear spring bend, LDC, 4X32 and clank damper. I think I am going to have to paint hers, black is not her color. :o
I think they'd look really cool done in camo myself 8)
Wayne, I can't recall, did you change out the trigger, if so, what did you use?
I see all kinds of pro's & con's about the baker trigger,
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Bob the trigger is stock, the only thing that I did was polished the friction point's and it made a big difference, still thinking about a lighter hammer spring yet. 8)
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Bob the trigger is stock, the only thing that I did was polished the friction point's and it made a big difference, still thinking about a lighter hammer spring yet. 8)
Wayne, thanks. The plastic stock is great for a low cost AG, but I'm not sure that I can accept the plastic trigger.
I have to give some thought if I want to replace it with a metal one. Did anyone get the Baker brass trigger to function?
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Bob the trigger is stock, the only thing that I did was polished the friction point's and it made a big difference, still thinking about a lighter hammer spring yet. 8)
Wayne, thanks. The plastic stock is great for a low cost AG, but I'm not sure that I can accept the plastic trigger.
I have to give some thought if I want to replace it with a metal one. Did anyone get the Baker brass trigger to function?
Sorta kinda.... read about it here.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.msg156272751#msg156272751 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.msg156272751#msg156272751)
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I was surprised on the quality of the trigger housing and components, except for the plastic trigger blade.
Does this kit work without modification? https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te (https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te)
Are there any other stainless or aluminum triggers that will drop in without modifications?
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Bob the trigger is stock, the only thing that I did was polished the friction point's and it made a big difference, still thinking about a lighter hammer spring yet. 8)
Wayne, thanks. The plastic stock is great for a low cost AG, but I'm not sure that I can accept the plastic trigger.
I have to give some thought if I want to replace it with a metal one. Did anyone get the Baker brass trigger to function?
I don't know anybody that hasn't got it to work and work well. I just used a spring that is about 1/4" in diameter but the same wire as an ink pen and it returns the trigger just fine. I bent the sear return 7 degrees to lighten it as well and my 362 shoots very nicely.
The plastic trigger just hit my finger in the most uncomfortable way that I knew I would have to replace it or do surgery on it to correct the pressure point.
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I was surprised on the quality of the trigger housing and components, except for the plastic trigger blade.
Does this kit work without modification? https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te (https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te)
Are there any other stainless or aluminum triggers that will drop in without modifications?
This is approaching the cost of the entire Marauder Gen 1 trigger assembly - $48.03 when I installed the same on a Maximus.
Granted;
- possible very recent price increase
- need a hammer without the wasp-waist contour
- trigger guard - cheap
- some recontour of the trigger area of the stock
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I’m a big fan of the K.I.S.S principle…but dang I love reading about u folks tinkering…
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I was surprised on the quality of the trigger housing and components, except for the plastic trigger blade.
Does this kit work without modification? https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te (https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te)
Are there any other stainless or aluminum triggers that will drop in without modifications?
This is approaching the cost of the entire Marauder Gen 1 trigger assembly - $48.03 when I installed the same on a Maximus.
Granted;
- possible very recent price increase
- need a hammer without the wasp-waist contour
- trigger guard - cheap
- some recontour of the trigger area of the stock
I don't want to modify the stock, I would like the option to go back to OEM and I don't really have the right tools for that. If there are other triggers that will fit without modification and also cost less, I'm all ears!
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I was surprised on the quality of the trigger housing and components, except for the plastic trigger blade.
Does this kit work without modification? https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te (https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te)
Are there any other stainless or aluminum triggers that will drop in without modifications?
This is approaching the cost of the entire Marauder Gen 1 trigger assembly - $48.03 when I installed the same on a Maximus.
Granted;
- possible very recent price increase
- need a hammer without the wasp-waist contour
- trigger guard - cheap
- some recontour of the trigger area of the stock
I don't want to modify the stock, I would like the option to go back to OEM and I don't really have the right tools for that. If there are other triggers that will fit without modification and also cost less, I'm all ears!
I printed a few of these using a tough resin:
(https://ssl.tko22.com/C362/C362_trig.jpg)
I'll print a half-dozen if fellows want to try it.
Mike T.
TKO
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If I ever get our foundry set up (been working on it for 6 months), I'll print them in Ash Free Burnout resin and cast some in Alu.
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I was surprised on the quality of the trigger housing and components, except for the plastic trigger blade.
Does this kit work without modification? https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te (https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te)
Are there any other stainless or aluminum triggers that will drop in without modifications?
This is approaching the cost of the entire Marauder Gen 1 trigger assembly - $48.03 when I installed the same on a Maximus.
Granted;
- possible very recent price increase
- need a hammer without the wasp-waist contour
- trigger guard - cheap
- some recontour of the trigger area of the stock
I don't want to modify the stock, I would like the option to go back to OEM and I don't really have the right tools for that. If there are other triggers that will fit without modification and also cost less, I'm all ears!
I printed a few of these using a tough resin:
(https://ssl.tko22.com/C362/C362_trig.jpg)
I'll print a half-dozen if fellows want to try it.
Mike T.
TKO
I have a second 362 coming, I would love to try one of your triggers and even better yet, I would love one printed with Ash Free Burnout resin. I have some brass I would like to pour.
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Send a PM or email. I'm processing a large batch of PB reloading items, and can't print triggers again til mid-late next week.
I won't purchase Burnout resin (again) til I'm ready to cast. Those resins have a short shelf life and are around $145 a qt.
BTW... a great way to have resin printing trouble is to order resin in the winter and have it sit on a Amazon/UPS/USPS truck for a day in the freezing cold. It does screwy things if the resin gets cold enough, regardless if warmed before processing.
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If I ever get our foundry set up (been working on it for 6 months), I'll print them in Ash Free Burnout resin and cast some in Alu.
Awesome to know someone is working on a trigger variant !!
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I was surprised on the quality of the trigger housing and components, except for the plastic trigger blade.
Does this kit work without modification? https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te (https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te)
Are there any other stainless or aluminum triggers that will drop in without modifications?
This is approaching the cost of the entire Marauder Gen 1 trigger assembly - $48.03 when I installed the same on a Maximus.
Granted;
- possible very recent price increase
- need a hammer without the wasp-waist contour
- trigger guard - cheap
- some recontour of the trigger area of the stock
I don't want to modify the stock, I would like the option to go back to OEM and I don't really have the right tools for that. If there are other triggers that will fit without modification and also cost less, I'm all ears!
I printed a few of these using a tough resin:
(https://ssl.tko22.com/C362/C362_trig.jpg)
I'll print a half-dozen if fellows want to try it.
Mike T.
TKO
If it is smoother and better functioning than the OEM, I would certainly try it!
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I was surprised on the quality of the trigger housing and components, except for the plastic trigger blade.
Does this kit work without modification? https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te (https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te)
Are there any other stainless or aluminum triggers that will drop in without modifications?
This is approaching the cost of the entire Marauder Gen 1 trigger assembly - $48.03 when I installed the same on a Maximus.
Granted;
- possible very recent price increase
- need a hammer without the wasp-waist contour
- trigger guard - cheap
- some recontour of the trigger area of the stock
I don't want to modify the stock, I would like the option to go back to OEM and I don't really have the right tools for that. If there are other triggers that will fit without modification and also cost less, I'm all ears!
I printed a few of these using a tough resin:
(https://ssl.tko22.com/C362/C362_trig.jpg)
I'll print a half-dozen if fellows want to try it.
Mike T.
TKO
PM sent
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If nothing else but a straight swap, probably not "smoother" as the pivot points are factory positioned.
It does "feel" better than the factory trigger as I have cocked the angle of the wide pressure pad to fit the angle of the trigger finger (mine anyway!). Another slight change is the "nose" of the trigger where it contacts the frame inside the guard at the front. The trigger might benefit from a bit of tuning, sanding or filing. It appears the trigger frame of the C362 is different than the Discovery frame, and the Discovery trigger frames were used to develop that trigger operating profile back in 2010. We machined a few hundred aluminum triggers for the Disco, but I was not really happy with the angle of the blade.
I responded to the 4 PMs I received and will send a couple to them. Two sent their mailing address, two haven't. I'll imprint a version # on them, so if there is any correspondence on the trigger fitting, etc., please include that info.
It's highly recommended to add a sear engagement set screw to the trigger housing. I'll try to scare up the instruction sheet I made years ago for the Discovery trigger that details that.)
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WOW! Found them buried in an old archive... (The lower left pict is the incorrect picture showing the tapping, but I can't find the original), and the C362 housing isn't plastic either...
(https://ssl.tko22.com/C362/Sear_Screw-SM.jpg)
This should help those with trouble getting the safety out:
(https://ssl.tko22.com/C362/Instruct-SM.jpg)
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I just went up in the attic to do twenty quick shots as if I was resting on my knee hunting squirrel and I'd say the gun is ready for the woods 8)
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I just went up in the attic to do twenty quick shots as if I was resting on my knee hunting squirrel and I'd say the gun is ready for the woods 8)
Ya howdy .. She is woods ready for sure --- Nice !
wll
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Those are incredible groups Wayne! 8)
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Robert I did notice that from pumps four and five that it will come up a tad, I'm thinking that at eight pumps out in the woods that 25 yards it should be pretty darned close. I just looked at the forecast and the next time it's going to be thawing will be Wednesday, I doubt I'll bring the pumper along because chances are the only good squirrel shots if I do see any are probably going to be at least 30 yards or more. The snow is still really deep out there yet.
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I just went up in the attic to do twenty quick shots as if I was resting on my knee hunting squirrel and I'd say the gun is ready for the woods 8)
You've definitely got a shooter there, Wayne. Credit goes to you for your skills behind the trigger too. This gun may not be everything we hoped for but it's close and Crosman gave us a platform we could work with for sure.
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Ed I look at it as a lot of fun to shoot plus very back yard worthy, it's going to be an excellent gun for red squirrels this coming summer, usually during the summer the time that you'll spot a red squirrel they're seldom that far away, I'll probably keep using my AEA semi and Challenger LS for squirrels up till the end of the regular squirrel season. Possibly if it thaws good by March I might get out in the woods with it.
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Ed I look at it as a lot of fun to shoot plus very back yard worthy, it's going to be an excellent gun for red squirrels this coming summer, usually during the summer the time that you'll spot a red squirrel they're seldom that far away, I'll probably keep using my AEA semi and Challenger LS for squirrels up till the end of the regular squirrel season. Possibly if it thaws good by March I might get out in the woods with it.
It's not what's needed for fast follow-ups for sure. That AEA is a pretty impressive rifle.
Both of mine are plenty accurate and I really haven't done much to the triggers yet. They have scratched the itch I had for a modern hunting pumper for sure.
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It's the first new pumper I've bought in 45 years. The only other pumper I bought is a used Crosman 130 mainly because it was the first pneumatic gun I owned as a kid, it's a great little shooter too, just loves them wad cutters.
(https://i.imgur.com/v6BdVF1.png)
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Robert I did notice that from pumps four and five that it will come up a tad, I'm thinking that at eight pumps out in the woods that 25 yards it should be pretty darned close. I just looked at the forecast and the next time it's going to be thawing will be Wednesday, I doubt I'll bring the pumper along because chances are the only good squirrel shots if I do see any are probably going to be at least 30 yards or more. The snow is still really deep out there yet.
I would love to see some groups at 20+ yards. Yours seems to be really dialed in and you definitely got your aim right on the mark ;D. Same here weather wise but with less snow, cold though... just waiting, lol. Mine is tore down right now anyway awaiting a few small parts then I can get it back together and get back to it with the sighting in. ;D
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In the eastern part of MI they never get lake effect snow like here in the southwest, I'm right in the snowbelt, lake Michigan is only 45 miles away. The closer you get to lake Michigan the worse it gets.
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It does not take long to give the gun 3 quick pumps and deliver a finishing shot, if you shoot like Wayne probably not needed often ;)
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It does not take long to give the gun 3 quick pumps and deliver a finishing shot, if you shoot like Wayne probably not needed often ;)
That's the thing I like most about this gun ;). It takes 10 pumps on my modded 1322 to get 510 FPS. This one... 4 pumps and 516! At 2 pumps it delivers 460 which is what a 1322 unmodified delivers at 10 pumps. Two pumps would definitely do the trick. 8)
Oh yeah... Wayne definitely has the center of the target locked in nicely! ;D
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I only did one shot with it today but it was a good one. My lunch came out of this can 8)
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These .25 Hunters make a big hole going in and coming out. I don't really expect them to expand at 500 fps, but I'm not sure they need to.
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Thumped a starling with mine yesterday, 43 yards with six pumps.
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Thumped a starling with mine yesterday, 43 yards with six pumps.
Good shootin Terry! That Starling would have to be #20 for me to hit it with mine right now. I'll get it, glad you got it! ;D
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It's the first new pumper I've bought in 45 years. The only other pumper I bought is a used Crosman 130 mainly because it was the first pneumatic gun I owned as a kid, it's a great little shooter too, just loves them wad cutters.
(https://i.imgur.com/v6BdVF1.png)
I'm new here. That picture of the Crosman 130 brings back great memories, my dad had one of these and I used allot.
That was over 55 years ago and I had forgotten what make or model that wonderful pistol was, thank you for posting a picture and jogging my memory.
Eventhough I'm now in my 70s, I recently have had the urge of getting an air gun for squirrel control and just ordered
a Crosman 362, steel breech, UTG 3-12x32 AO Bug Buster, and a set of Leapers Accushot 1" Rings, High 9.5 - 11.5mm Dovetail from Pyramyd Air.
I hope the scope and scope mounts are a good pick for the 362 ?
I'm interested in using the longer probe bolt from the plastic breech assembly in the steel breech, as I've noticed others here have done.
I was wondering what size drill and tap I'd need so I could use the steel breech bolt handle on the bolt from the plastic breech ?
I may already have the correct size drill bit but probably not the correct tap.
This looks like a great forum and I've been reading all I can about the Crosman 362.
Bill
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Bill once I ground off the riveted side of the C362 bolt handle with a dremel tool, drove it out with a punch, then used a #29 drill and tapped with a 8-32 tap. Mine has the medium height scope rings on it but the high rings will make getting a pellet in easier. I like keeping my scopes as close to the barrel as possible.
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Wayne52
I wasn't sure what height rings to get.
What med. height rings are you using.
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Bill I'm using UTG rings that came with my BugBuster, I've got the BugBuster 4-12X with the side parallax on mine right now, I did have the 3-9X like you ordered to begin with but considering how much I like the side parallax I put it on mainly for field use.
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Medium rings should be usable, unless one has super big sausage fingers.
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I was actually up in my Attic shooting a numbers target with mine right around 7:30 this morning, it's a fun gun to shoot and tinker with no doubt.
https://youtu.be/1yvS59CHEv4
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Thumped a starling with mine yesterday, 43 yards with six pumps.
6 pumps? I'd have used 8 pumps with a little holdover. I sighted my 362 in the same way I sighted in my 392.3 pumps for 10 yards. That way 8 pumps is good for 35 yards POI, elevation wise.
The other day I was looking out at my bird feeder that is set up 22 yards from my back door. My 362 is sighted in at 20 yards with 5 pumps using CPUM's. I was thinking my 362 is accurate enough for 20 yard hosp shooting.
I harvested 43 hosp's last year using my homemade C1389, (what others here call a 1377 carbine). It's incredibly easy getting half inch groups with my 1389 at 20 yards.
Thing is? If the RWS 8.3 pellet hits low and impacts the feeder I can repair the hole with a little wood paste.
A CPUM from the 362 hits it and its liable to blow it apart.
Maybe I'd better scatter feed on the ground to attract pests if I use the 362 for them, huh? ;)
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Thumped a starling with mine yesterday, 43 yards with six pumps.
6 pumps? I'd have used 8 pumps with a little holdover. I sighted my 362 in the same way I sighted in my 392.3 pumps for 10 yards. That way 8 pumps is good for 35 yards POI, elevation wise.
The other day I was looking out at my bird feeder that is set up 22 yards from my back door. My 362 is sighted in at 20 yards with 5 pumps using CPUM's. I was thinking my 362 is accurate enough for 20 yard hosp shooting.
I harvested 43 hosp's last year using my homemade C1389, (what others here call a 1377 carbine). It's incredibly easy getting half inch groups with my 1389 at 20 yards.
Thing is? If the RWS 8.3 pellet hits low and impacts the feeder I can repair the hole with a little wood paste.
A CPUM from the 362 hits it and its liable to blow it apart.
Maybe I'd better scatter feed on the ground to attract pests if I use the 362 for them, huh? ;)
Yeah... as hard as the 362 hits... would probably do some damage. ;)
same here... bird feeders at 21 yards and my 1377/1322 carbines do 1/4"-1/2" groups. The 362 was doing 3/4" - 1" before I tore it down again for more upgrades. I did find that the barrel band bolt and the top set screw had both come loose so I am hoping to see those groups tighten up once it is back together, we'll see? CPUM's and the H&N 5.53's and 5.55's did the best originally, but 5.55's were a little tight going in.
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Thumped a starling with mine yesterday, 43 yards with six pumps.
6 pumps? I'd have used 8 pumps with a little holdover. I sighted my 362 in the same way I sighted in my 392.3 pumps for 10 yards. That way 8 pumps is good for 35 yards POI, elevation wise.
The other day I was looking out at my bird feeder that is set up 22 yards from my back door. My 362 is sighted in at 20 yards with 5 pumps using CPUM's. I was thinking my 362 is accurate enough for 20 yard hosp shooting.
I harvested 43 hosp's last year using my homemade C1389, (what others here call a 1377 carbine). It's incredibly easy getting half inch groups with my 1389 at 20 yards.
Thing is? If the RWS 8.3 pellet hits low and impacts the feeder I can repair the hole with a little wood paste.
A CPUM from the 362 hits it and its liable to blow it apart.
Maybe I'd better scatter feed on the ground to attract pests if I use the 362 for them, huh? ;)
Yeah... as hard as the 362 hits... would probably do some damage. ;)
same here... bird feeders at 21 yards and my 1377/1322 carbines do 1/4"-1/2" groups. The 362 was doing 3/4" - 1" before I tore it down again for more upgrades. I did find that the barrel band bolt and the top set screw had both come loose so I am hoping to see those groups tighten up once it is back together, we'll see? CPUM's and the H&N 5.53's and 5.55's did the best originally, but 5.55's were a little tight going in.
Last week a humongous flock of blackbirds and grackles blew through my neighborhood. I look out the window and there were at least 100 birds on the ground and the tree's. Grackles were vacuuming the food out of my feeders. I started to grab my 362 then, but decided to go with the proven bird killer laying beside it, (aka my 1389).
I took out what I thought was a grackle leader barking orders to the other birds at about 30 yards with a RWS 8.3. It fell like a stone. It was likely a scout though since the whole flock took off simultaneously at once. Just like in the movies / Tv shows. It was awesome. You could hear it. There might've been over a thousand birds in that flock.
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FYI:
It's illegal to kill grackles: According to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, all wild birds that migrate through or are indigenous to Texas are protected from harm. ... According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service website, the common grackle is one of the birds protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act.Sep 25, 2017
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362 holding its own..
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FYI:
It's illegal to kill grackles: According to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, all wild birds that migrate through or are indigenous to Texas are protected from harm. ... According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service website, the common grackle is one of the birds protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act.Sep 25, 2017
It's the same here in Georgia. It really aggravates me too. Glad I only have them at my feeders occasionally.
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FYI:
It's illegal to kill grackles: According to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, all wild birds that migrate through or are indigenous to Texas are protected from harm. ... According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service website, the common grackle is one of the birds protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act.Sep 25, 2017
It's the same here in Georgia. It really aggravates me too. Glad I only have them at my feeders occasionally.
Grackles and Red Winged Black Birds irritate me too! :(
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FYI:
It's illegal to kill grackles: According to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, all wild birds that migrate through or are indigenous to Texas are protected from harm. ... According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service website, the common grackle is one of the birds protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act.Sep 25, 2017
me I only kill what I eat...with very few exceptions... but do not expect other to think the same... By they way the local starlings taste very good during cherry season...
well any ways there is also this under the heading wild birds :
A permit is not required to control grackles; cowbirds; yellow-headed, red-winged, rusty or Brewer's blackbirds; crows or magpies when these birds are considered a nuisance or causing a public health hazard. No birds may be controlled by any means considered illegal by local city or county ordinance.
https://tpwd.texas.gov/huntwild/wild/rehab/protected/
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"a nuisance or causing a public health hazard"
Well played! ;D ;)
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Grackles are some nasty birds in my opinion, I never will figure out how they became a protected bird.
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That starling was the first living creature I pulled the trigger on with this gun. 500+ rounds on paper at 20 yards, mostly with 4 pumps. I was getting ready to go in, spotted the starling up the alley, atop a pole. Put in a couple extra pumps and aimed just a tad high.
The Migratory Bird Treaty Act has been around for a hundred years and is a good thing, overall. It protects all native non-game birds, some of which would be extinct by now without protection.
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FYI:
It's illegal to kill grackles: According to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, all wild birds that migrate through or are indigenous to Texas are protected from harm. ... According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service website, the common grackle is one of the birds protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act.Sep 25, 2017
Not necessarily.
According to Texas Parks and Wildlife Code Chapter 43.021, "protected wildlife" means all indigenous mammals, indigenous birds, indigenous reptiles, indigenous amphibians, indigenous fish, and other indigenous aquatic life the taking, collecting, holding, possession, propagation, release, display, or transport of which is governed by a provision of this code other than this subchapter or by a commission rule adopted under any provision of this code other than this subchapter and includes endangered species.
Wild Birds: All wild birds that migrate through or are indigenous to Texas, along with their plumage or other parts, eggs, nests and young are protected from harming, killing and/or possession by state and federal law except that European starlings, English sparrows, and feral pigeons may be killed at any time and their nests and eggs may be destroyed. A permit is not required to control grackles; cowbirds; yellow-headed, red-winged, rusty or Brewer's blackbirds; crows or magpies when these birds are considered a nuisance or causing a public health hazard. No birds may be controlled by any means considered illegal by local city or county ordinance.
https://tpwd.texas.gov/huntwild/wild/rehab/protected/
The keywords here being 'nuisance and/or 'public health hazard'.
Dispatching Nuisance Animals in Texas
However, if an animal is a non-game animal (non-protected) it can be hunted with any firearm that is legal, pellet gun, or air gun. Examples of non-game animals in Texas include but are not limited to armadillos, bobcats, coyotes, frogs, mountain lions, porcupines, turtles, rabbits, and prairie dogs. These animals have no closed hunting season and do require a hunting license. They can be taken at any time by lawful means on private property.
Non-game (non-protected) birds may include, but are not limited to, starlings, house sparrow, pigeons, and crows (if substantiated as a nuisance).These may be hunted at any time.
Grackles, starlings and blackbirds that are causing damage or creating a nuisance are not protected by either state or federal law and may be taken at any time.
https://agrilifeextension.tamu.edu/library/wildlife-nature-environment/controlling-roosting-birds-in-urban-areas/
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Yupper, already covered above in another post, thus my comment "well played". ;)
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Yupper, already covered above in another post, thus my comment "well played". ;)
But, not covered by me to whom your point was directed.
Just for grins, I checked out MN's airgun hunting laws. Turns out you guys also have nuisance animal laws similar to ours.
Interestingly, I also checked out a couple of fact checking websites only to find they contradicted each other.
Minnesota
Like most other states, Minnesota prohibits the carrying or displaying of air rifles in public places. For hunting purposes, air rifles are generally acceptable. However, there are some exceptions. For example, hunting northern pocket gopher, bobwhite quails, English sparrow, and spotted skunks are prohibited.
https://outdoorever.com/air-gun-laws-by-state/
Minnesota
Minnesota allows air gun hunting for certain species. These species include:Coyote, Pigeons, Porcupine, Sparrow (<-- THIS ONE), Weasel
https://airgunlaws.com/huntable-game-with-airguns-by-state/
One fact checker says you guys can hunt hosp's, but the other one says its prohibited. Which ones right?
Sure must get confusing.
Another website I looked at stated anyone wanting to hunt in MN should consult an attorney first as the laws are constantly changing. I can empathize with that. So do ours.
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English House Sparrows are invasive and do not enjoy ANY protections in the US except in bird sanctuaries. European Starlings and Collared doves are the only other avians thusly treated.
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Peter, I'm having troubles cyphering whether you keep a dictionary or an encyclopedia on your nightstand.... ::)
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Jacob, luckily for me, the CO for the 38,000 acre WMA I live across the road from likes to chat and like Texas, much of the rules are subject to interpretation so I get him to answer those questions for me and I just happen to keep my phone in my breast pocket when we speak as added insurance.
From Jim (the CO) I am told that HOSPs and Starlings are open game with any weapon at any time.
Skunks, bobcat, crows, whistlepigs, 13 stripe gophers and more are not prohibited but must "On their way to do damage or returning from doing damage or caught doing said damage" to crops, vivestock, structures (of any kind) or present a hazard to the property owner or their animals, ergo, holes in the ground, feces left and/or an "attractive nuisance" such that a pet would engage with it.
Ask another CO and I bet I would get a different answer.
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Jacob, luckily for me, the CO for the 38,000 acre WMA I live across the road from likes to chat and like Texas, much of the rules are subject to interpretation so I get him to answer those questions for me and I just happen to keep my phone in my breast pocket when we speak as added insurance.
From Jim (the CO) I am told that HOSPs and Starlings are open game with any weapon at any time.
Skunks, bobcat, crows, whistlepigs, 13 stripe gophers and more are not prohibited but must "On their way to do damage or returning from doing damage or caught doing said damage" to crops, vivestock, structures (of any kind) or present a hazard to the property owner or their animals, ergo, holes in the ground, feces left and/or an "attractive nuisance" such that a pet would engage with it.
Ask another CO and I bet I would get a different answer.
So, the best approach may be to shoot them then squeeze the krap out of them..... ???
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I've told this story before but a CO told me when I was a kid you can only hunt crows that are going to do crop damage or are returning from doing crop damage, "Look there there's one going to do crop damage look over there there's one coming back from doing crop damage."
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I'm not even sure the crows know if they are coming or going.
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You all know why there is never a dead crow along the road.
There is always a lookout - crying KAR, KAR
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Not necessarily. The keywords here being 'nuisance and/or 'public health hazard'.
The other key words though, which may or may not apply to you, are:
"No birds may be controlled by any means considered illegal by local city or county ordinance."
If you're within the city of Fort Worth, it's illegal to shoot an air rifle unless you're on 10+ acres. ;)
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I read posts like this and I'm thankful that I'm blessed to live out in a rural area. I don't take it for granted that I can enjoy my shooting hobbies without stressing over local rules and regulations.
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+1 Eddie
If I had to go someplace other than home to shoot my guns I wouldn't have them.
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+2 ;)
I got the second 362 today, this one from Amazon, no outer box, she was kinda beat up, dirty and dusty, no free pellets, she looked naked and afraid. I picked her up and caressed her, pumped her up and fed her.
Just like all the gals I know, she went and shot her mouth off leaving a nice 10 shot group at 33 feet. She might be a loud mouth but I can change here, I swear! I got her a muzzle!
Her fancy little roommate, miss 811 with all her shiny triggers, steel breach and custom bolt handle, just "humphed" at her and stuck out her lever!
SO SNOTTY!
Poor little 941 showed her the target... NOW there is a full on fight for dominance, "Look at my glass, honey! I can hit a bullseye at 10m and all you got is a little tight group?"
I think that a full on cat fight is coming, these two beauties are going to have it out, shot for shot, just wait for momma to get a hold of these girls, she will put them to the test for sure!
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+1 Eddie
If I had to go someplace other than home to shoot my guns I wouldn't have them.
I am fortunate to live in a town where I can shoot air guns legally. As long as all is contained and stays on my property, I'm good. Countless thousands of rounds in the back yard the last 11 or so years.
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+1 Eddie
If I had to go someplace other than home to shoot my guns I wouldn't have them.
I am fortunate to live in a town where I can shoot air guns legally. As long as all is contained and stays on my property, I'm good. Countless thousands of rounds in the back yard the last 11 or so years.
I also do not have a problem in shooting AG's in my backyard and my next door neighbor is s police officer
who is impressed with my AEA .30 HP .
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Not necessarily. The keywords here being 'nuisance and/or 'public health hazard'.
The other key words though, which may or may not apply to you, are:
"No birds may be controlled by any means considered illegal by local city or county ordinance."
If you're within the city of Fort Worth, it's illegal to shoot an air rifle unless you're on 10+ acres. ;)
It was a misinterpretation of the Migratory Bird Act in regard to grackles that started this particular topic.
Yes, its a class c misdemeanor to discharge an air rifle in the city limits as it is in most cities / towns throughout America. Your point being what exactly?
As you're treating class c misdemeanors as though they are felonies, I'll tell you what a local officer of the law told me. He said if a police officer see's you committing a class c misdemeanor then its illegal. If an officer of the law DOES NOT see you committing a class c misdemeanor then its not illegal.
Last year I met our local game warden. A friend of mine and I were fishing. A cottonmouth showed up swimming merrily along, not bothering anyone ... so I shot it with my .22 lego.
We hear footsteps. It's the game warden who likely witnessed me discharging an air rifle within city limits.
He checked our licenses, then as he turned around to leave said to me..."Nice Shot"!
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I did twenty more shots with mine today up in the attic.
https://youtu.be/QCsuMstYpdA
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Interesting option for plastic breech if you have a 3d printer.
Not mine found on 3dmixer.com
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I was surprised on the quality of the trigger housing and components, except for the plastic trigger blade.
Does this kit work without modification? https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te (https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te)
Are there any other stainless or aluminum triggers that will drop in without modifications?
This is approaching the cost of the entire Marauder Gen 1 trigger assembly - $48.03 when I installed the same on a Maximus.
Granted;
- possible very recent price increase
- need a hammer without the wasp-waist contour
- trigger guard - cheap
- some recontour of the trigger area of the stock
I don't want to modify the stock, I would like the option to go back to OEM and I don't really have the right tools for that. If there are other triggers that will fit without modification and also cost less, I'm all ears!
I printed a few of these using a tough resin:
(https://ssl.tko22.com/C362/C362_trig.jpg)
I'll print a half-dozen if fellows want to try it.
Mike T.
TKO
3 triggers came in the mail this morning. They look great but I'm not going to get a chance to try them out until tomorrow. I'll be on the road for around 5 hours today.
Thanks Mike.
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I got 2 triggers but decided to pay them forward …thanks Mike..hope u dont mind…
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Here's twenty shots for the day with the C362
https://youtu.be/8IAKNJObojc
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Here's twenty shots for the day with the C362
Wayne, very nice groups. What did you do different than the groups that you shot this morning, or did the Java wear off?
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Bob the mold that I cast the hunters with needed some tweeking and the results were better pellets that seem to be shooting real good. They were varying in weight quite a bit before and not so much anymore. I've cast thousands of the hunters from this mold and over time the pin bar's needed a little bending again to tighten things up. Those are the groups that I shot this morning. I might do a numbers target with it later maybe, I printed a bunch more different targets yesterday too.
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I was surprised on the quality of the trigger housing and components, except for the plastic trigger blade.
Does this kit work without modification? https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te (https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te)
Are there any other stainless or aluminum triggers that will drop in without modifications?
This is approaching the cost of the entire Marauder Gen 1 trigger assembly - $48.03 when I installed the same on a Maximus.
Granted;
- possible very recent price increase
- need a hammer without the wasp-waist contour
- trigger guard - cheap
- some recontour of the trigger area of the stock
I don't want to modify the stock, I would like the option to go back to OEM and I don't really have the right tools for that. If there are other triggers that will fit without modification and also cost less, I'm all ears!
I printed a few of these using a tough resin:
(https://ssl.tko22.com/C362/C362_trig.jpg)
I'll print a half-dozen if fellows want to try it.
Mike T.
TKO
3 triggers came in the mail this morning. They look great but I'm not going to get a chance to try them out until tomorrow. I'll be on the road for around 5 hours today.
Thanks Mike.
Take your time. I've heard back from 4 fellows so far.
One fellow received 2 but one was broken in shipping at the top of the trigger blade. A layer analysis of the cad file shows a stress riser at that point, which we fixed in the V4.2 trigger. Also, this could be very problematic if the gun were loaded and cocked and the blade broke off, either because the trigger was pulled hard with the safety on, bump, etc. Might be a trick to uncock the rifle.
One fellow suggested the blade be lengthened and pushed forward a bit, which I may change in a later file.
I sent multiples in hopes guys would maybe gently try to break it, but it looks like the top of the trigger blade right at the safety stop is going to be the weak spot with the V4.1.
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I have installed the 4.1 trigger and played with the trigger return spring and bent the seer spring 7 degrees in order to get a 'hair trigger' for the 941.
The TKO trigger lends itself to hand sanding and shaping, I put a slight radius on the edges of the trigger blade then polished it with 400 grit paper to a satin luster so that when I touch the trigger blade, I dont feel any hot spots at all, just a nice even pressure against the pad on my fingertip.
I have the trigger releasing at 12oz, it feels great and I see no reason to go with the Baker brass trigger now.
I did have the trigger catch on the bump at the top of the trigger inside the housing that I had to trim off and I also had to sand off all the sprue bumps off the back (no biggy) and lubricate the pins due to zero lube used by Crosman in the assembly.
My wishlist includes a longer trigger and a little more curve at the bottom of the trigger so that my finger falls onto the sweet spot instead of sliding down to the end and back up 3-4 mm for the sweet spot placement.
I will be sending this to Mike as well.
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Bob the mold that I cast the hunters with needed some tweeking and the results were better pellets that seem to be shooting real good. They were varying in weight quite a bit before and not so much anymore. I've cast thousands of the hunters from this mold and over time the pin bar's needed a little bending again to tighten things up. Those are the groups that I shot this morning. I might do a numbers target with it later maybe, I printed a bunch more different targets yesterday too.
I never thought to bend them. My .460 mold has pins that settle at different heights which is not great for slug consistency.
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Bob the mold that I cast the hunters with needed some tweeking and the results were better pellets that seem to be shooting real good. They were varying in weight quite a bit before and not so much anymore. I've cast thousands of the hunters from this mold and over time the pin bar's needed a little bending again to tighten things up. Those are the groups that I shot this morning. I might do a numbers target with it later maybe, I printed a bunch more different targets yesterday too.
I never thought to bend them. My .460 mold has pins that settle at different heights which is not great for slug consistency.
Here is a how too even :) https://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php?topic=199.0
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It was a misinterpretation of the Migratory Bird Act in regard to grackles that started this particular topic.
Yes, its a class c misdemeanor to discharge an air rifle in the city limits as it is in most cities / towns throughout America. Your point being what exactly?
As you're treating class c misdemeanors as though they are felonies, I'll tell you what a local officer of the law told me. He said if a police officer see's you committing a class c misdemeanor then its illegal. If an officer of the law DOES NOT see you committing a class c misdemeanor then its not illegal.
Last year I met our local game warden. A friend of mine and I were fishing. A cottonmouth showed up swimming merrily along, not bothering anyone ... so I shot it with my .22 lego.
We hear footsteps. It's the game warden who likely witnessed me discharging an air rifle within city limits.
He checked our licenses, then as he turned around to leave said to me..."Nice Shot"!
I was just messin around, brother. Wasn't trying to ruffle your feathers...
I've found the same. Unless you're shooting someone's windows out or something, the cops/wardens couldn't care less about somebody shooting an AG.
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Out of curiosity what is the OD of the barrel please?
James
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I was surprised on the quality of the trigger housing and components, except for the plastic trigger blade.
Does this kit work without modification? https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te (https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te)
Are there any other stainless or aluminum triggers that will drop in without modifications?
This is approaching the cost of the entire Marauder Gen 1 trigger assembly - $48.03 when I installed the same on a Maximus.
Granted;
- possible very recent price increase
- need a hammer without the wasp-waist contour
- trigger guard - cheap
- some recontour of the trigger area of the stock
I don't want to modify the stock, I would like the option to go back to OEM and I don't really have the right tools for that. If there are other triggers that will fit without modification and also cost less, I'm all ears!
I printed a few of these using a tough resin:
(https://ssl.tko22.com/C362/C362_trig.jpg)
I'll print a half-dozen if fellows want to try it.
Mike T.
TKO
3 triggers came in the mail this morning. They look great but I'm not going to get a chance to try them out until tomorrow. I'll be on the road for around 5 hours today.
Thanks Mike.
Take your time. I've heard back from 4 fellows so far.
One fellow received 2 but one was broken in shipping at the top of the trigger blade. A layer analysis of the cad file shows a stress riser at that point, which we fixed in the V4.2 trigger. Also, this could be very problematic if the gun were loaded and cocked and the blade broke off, either because the trigger was pulled hard with the safety on, bump, etc. Might be a trick to uncock the rifle.
One fellow suggested the blade be lengthened and pushed forward a bit, which I may change in a later file.
I sent multiples in hopes guys would maybe gently try to break it, but it looks like the top of the trigger blade right at the safety stop is going to be the weak spot with the V4.1.
Thanks Mike...
I got most everything I needed to do done yesterday so I'm headed to the mancave shortly. I'll get the trigger installed in #805 and report back.
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Out of curiosity what is the OD of the barrel please?
James
7/16ths :)
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I was surprised on the quality of the trigger housing and components, except for the plastic trigger blade.
Does this kit work without modification? https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te (https://www.ebay.com/itm/124117277847?hash=item1ce5f75c97:g:26wAAOSwGzZhT~te)
Are there any other stainless or aluminum triggers that will drop in without modifications?
This is approaching the cost of the entire Marauder Gen 1 trigger assembly - $48.03 when I installed the same on a Maximus.
Granted;
- possible very recent price increase
- need a hammer without the wasp-waist contour
- trigger guard - cheap
- some recontour of the trigger area of the stock
I don't want to modify the stock, I would like the option to go back to OEM and I don't really have the right tools for that. If there are other triggers that will fit without modification and also cost less, I'm all ears!
I printed a few of these using a tough resin:
(https://ssl.tko22.com/C362/C362_trig.jpg)
I'll print a half-dozen if fellows want to try it.
Mike T.
TKO
3 triggers came in the mail this morning. They look great but I'm not going to get a chance to try them out until tomorrow. I'll be on the road for around 5 hours today.
Thanks Mike.
Take your time. I've heard back from 4 fellows so far.
One fellow received 2 but one was broken in shipping at the top of the trigger blade. A layer analysis of the cad file shows a stress riser at that point, which we fixed in the V4.2 trigger. Also, this could be very problematic if the gun were loaded and cocked and the blade broke off, either because the trigger was pulled hard with the safety on, bump, etc. Might be a trick to uncock the rifle.
One fellow suggested the blade be lengthened and pushed forward a bit, which I may change in a later file.
I sent multiples in hopes guys would maybe gently try to break it, but it looks like the top of the trigger blade right at the safety stop is going to be the weak spot with the V4.1.
Thanks Mike...
I got most everything I needed to do done yesterday so I'm headed to the mancave shortly. I'll get the trigger installed in #805 and report back.
Mike...
I received 3 of the V4.1.
I'm going to review in my 362 thread so I can continue my experience in one thread.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.msg156290346#msg156290346 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.msg156290346#msg156290346)
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I made another small batch of the V4.1 triggers, if a few others would like to try it. Email (preferred) or PM your mailing address.
(https://ssl.tko22.com/C362/C362w-sprue.jpg)
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Bob the mold that I cast the hunters with needed some tweeking and the results were better pellets that seem to be shooting real good. They were varying in weight quite a bit before and not so much anymore. I've cast thousands of the hunters from this mold and over time the pin bar's needed a little bending again to tighten things up. Those are the groups that I shot this morning. I might do a numbers target with it later maybe, I printed a bunch more different targets yesterday too.
I never thought to bend them. My .460 mold has pins that settle at different heights which is not great for slug consistency.
Here is a how too even :) https://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php?topic=199.0
Thanks, that does help.
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RE: V4.1 C362 triggers ... all given away.
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RE: V4.1 C362 triggers ... all given away.
I'll get some pellets through mine and post a better review next week after the grandchildren have been extradited (yes, correct word use). ::) :o
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Not thatits advised but 12 pumps with the 362 gave me 680fps with 18g vortex pellet..
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Not thatits advised but 12 pumps with the 362 gave me 680fps with 18g vortex pellet..
Thats a smack-down! ;D
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I went back up in the attic at about 730PM and did some more shooting at a numbers target with the C362.
https://youtu.be/G3ciypyH2Rg
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I went back up in the attic at about 730PM and did some more shooting at a numbers target with the C362.
Wayne, nice shooting, that could have been 13 dead squirrels.
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I went back up in the attic at about 730PM and did some more shooting at a numbers target with the C362.
Wayne, nice shooting, that could have been 13 dead squirrels.
I did make it to the woods again yesterday however I didn't see any squirrels, I do have all of March to hunt the big one's yet.
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Added steel breach,extended prob and bigger breach port...only plus 10fps...so factory setup is pretty good...
660fps with 18g at 12 pumps...awsome
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3 shots 35yards...18 grain vortex pellet at 660fps...steel breech helped id say
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3 shots 35yards...18 grain vortex pellet at 660fps...steel breech helped id say
Now that' what I'd call a group !!
wll
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Thanx bro,but its the gun not me lol...very happy...hope everones is as accurate
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Wow!!! That is incredible shooting! ;D
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I did another numbers shoot early this morning.
https://youtu.be/rDPszCc21Rc
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Nice shootin’ Wayne, love those number targets! I was fartin’ around with mine today in the garage, just shooting Crosman Destroyers of all things. My original plan was to convert this gun to .177 (even bought a super-sweet 24” .177 barrel to do it), but the darned thing shoots so well I just can’t bring myself to do it! Granted it was only around 18-20’ to the target tonight, but even Destroyers touch holes with this gun, all stock and on iron sights! I’m stunned by this gun’s awesomeness.
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I was able to shoot at 50 yards with mine the other day, had a soup can hung in a tree, 3 of 3 shots hit 2 in the same hole, dead center, just off enough to make the can swing, one I pulled the shot and tore another hole on the side of the can. I am now officially impressed 8)
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James that is impressive, was that on 8 pumps ?
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with all the snow we have here my backyard range is only plowed out to thirty yards so thats what i have been shooting both my 362s one scoped one stock i understand the people that dont like pumps its ok but i love them and now a month into these new guns i have complete confidence in both of these guns i mean one inch bullseyes soup cans whatever you just cant miss only pumper i own where you hardly have to even do your part these things shoot dead on so clackity calck dont talk back lol.
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Yes ,they are great why i ordered another before they stop making them for some reason....also the daisy/winchester 1977xs very good too,im making 11.8ftls with 10.65 pellets....just a thought lol
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Both of mine are converted to .177. I have some .177 Crosman Destroyers that I have not tried in the yet..... the weekend is coming... ;)
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Yes ,they are great why i ordered another before they stop making them for some reason....also the daisy/winchester 1977xs very good too,im making 11.8ftls with 10.65 pellets....just a thought lol
yes don i own a winne also scoped very accurate hits hard looks cool i am the king in my neighborhood of 100 dol and less airguns .
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yeah also right better stock up cause everything product or store i like in my life seems to go away monkey wards hills etc etc..
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with all the snow we have here my backyard range is only plowed out to thirty yards so thats what i have been shooting both my 362s one scoped one stock i understand the people that dont like pumps its ok but i love them and now a month into these new guns i have complete confidence in both of these guns i mean one inch bullseyes soup cans whatever you just cant miss only pumper i own where you hardly have to even do your part these things shoot dead on so clackity calck dont talk back lol.
The fact that so many of us already own more than one says a lot. It's not the best but it's pretty dang good for what it it.
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your darn right eddie i own way worse 100 dol guns
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Every now and then a 'best bang for the buck' under $100 gun comes along. IMO this is one of them.
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I’ve shot mine everyday since I got them I think. 😂 I’ve got them both sighted in dead on. Open sights and Bugbuster. They’re so much therapeutic fun for me I guess. Lol
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James that is impressive, was that on 8 pumps ?
Yes * 8 pumps, I did it again today, but aimed midway between the center hole and the top of the can.
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I’ve shot mine everyday since I got them I think. 😂 I’ve got them both sighted in dead on. Open sights and Bugbuster. They’re so much therapeutic fun for me I guess. Lol
i know right except the below zero days i have hardly put mine down when i am blasting soup cans at thirty yrds in my backyard i forget about all mine and the worlds problems hour at a time there is something very satisfying about hitting a bullyeye or making a soup can dance
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I stood outside and blasted sweet gum balls with 3 pumps for at least half an hour today. I got bored with that and started shooting at a can that had been knocked off the string it was hanging from and made it dance for another 10 minutes or so. The range was about 30 yards and I hit it every time once I figured out the 3 pump holdover. I probably shot 100 pellets or more and never had to retreat indoors to refill it. What's not to love?
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I stood outside and blasted sweet gum balls with 3 pumps for at least half an hour today. I got bored with that and started shooting at a can that had been knocked off the string it was hanging from and made it dance for another 10 minutes or so. The range was about 30 yards and I hit it every time once I figured out the 3 pump holdover. I probably shot 100 pellets or more and never had to retreat indoors to refill it. What's not to love?
😂 I’m glad I’m not the only one that can’t put it down Eddie. My wife is starting to think I’ve lost it. 😂 I’ve also found 3 pumps seems to be the secret number to shoot super accurate with the widest range of pellets. Up to 50’ anyway. The shot to shot consistency with the same number of pumps is awesome.
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I stood outside and blasted sweet gum balls with 3 pumps for at least half an hour today. I got bored with that and started shooting at a can that had been knocked off the string it was hanging from and made it dance for another 10 minutes or so. The range was about 30 yards and I hit it every time once I figured out the 3 pump holdover. I probably shot 100 pellets or more and never had to retreat indoors to refill it. What's not to love?
😂 I’m glad I’m not the only one that can’t put it down Eddie. My wife is starting to think I’ve lost it. 😂 I’ve also found 3 pumps seems to be the secret number to shoot super accurate with the widest range of pellets. Up to 50’ anyway. The shot to shot consistency with the same number of pumps is awesome.
I'm thinking about changing my GTA username to Eddie362. ;D
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Go for it Eddie 8)
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Go for it Eddie 8)
It's tempting but since I've already converted one to .25 that would muddle things up. Maybe Eddie362_365? ;)
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Go for it Eddie 8)
It's tempting but since I've already converted one to .25 that would muddle things up. Maybe Eddie362_365? ;)
Or Eddie362_36X? ???
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Yeah cause "Eddie Pumper" might not work..... :o
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I just came back in from shooting my 362 in the backyard. Was pushing a golf ball around between 30-40 feet, at two pumps, off-hand standing with open sights and shooting Destroyers fer goodness sake! DESTROYERS?!? Arguably one of the least consistent and least accurate pellets I’ve tried (in .22 anyway, my .177s seem to tolerate them well enough).
I need another one for the .177 barrel I bought…anyone have a 362 they’re not pleased with (bad/inaccurate barrel preferred)?
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I would be shooting my c362 if the valve wasn't leaky. With snow on the ground it's a hassle for me to use a PCP. Eventually I'll have a bottle setup, but that is still a ways off.
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I stood outside and blasted sweet gum balls with 3 pumps for at least half an hour today. I got bored with that and started shooting at a can that had been knocked off the string it was hanging from and made it dance for another 10 minutes or so. The range was about 30 yards and I hit it every time once I figured out the 3 pump holdover. I probably shot 100 pellets or more and never had to retreat indoors to refill it. What's not to love?
😂 I’m glad I’m not the only one that can’t put it down Eddie. My wife is starting to think I’ve lost it. 😂 I’ve also found 3 pumps seems to be the secret number to shoot super accurate with the widest range of pellets. Up to 50’ anyway. The shot to shot consistency with the same number of pumps is awesome.
I got another UUQ 4x scope in yesterday. I took the red dot off of 362 #1 and put it on so I could use the rangefinder reticle. I had no trouble hitting my 40 yard spinners on 3 pumps holding between the 2nd and 3rd lines. I was shooting 14.3 CPUMs. I need to try some different pellets, but it really likes them at 3 pumps.
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Well... 941 is having issues or should I say the new Baker aluminum breech was not milled correctly and the TP is not sitting all the way into the barrel so the new breech will not sit flush with the compression tube and the breech sits at an angle.
These are two different issues, not directly related but both exacerbate the issue. The answer to both is simple: The poly ice maker line mod.
I also had an issue with the incredibly soft breech screw that went through the rear sight. After I chucked it up and started turning the last 1/8" off the end, it caught and bent the screw... (sigh). I got it bent back but I need to replace it fo-sho.
So the 941 is down for today, I will get to town tomorrow for the poly line and get it all back together so NO shooting the 362-941 today. :-[
Also, just a PSA about the Baker aluminum breech, the bolt is super soft and I recommend changing it out when using the super stiff hammer spring of the 362 (bendy-bend-McBender).
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Well... 941 is having issues or should I say the new Baker aluminum breech was not milled correctly and the TP is not sitting all the way into the barrel so the new breech will not sit flush with the compression tube and the breech sits at an angle.
These are two different issues, not directly related but both exacerbate the issue. The answer to both is simple: The poly ice maker line mod.
I also had an issue with the incredibly soft breech screw that went through the rear sight. After I chucked it up and started turning the last 1/8" off the end, it caught and bent the screw... (sigh). I got it bent back but I need to replace it fo-sho.
So the 941 is down for today, I will get to town tomorrow for the poly line and get it all back together so NO shooting the 362-941 today. :-[
Also, just a PSA about the Baker aluminum breech, the bolt is super soft and I recommend changing it out when using the super stiff hammer spring of the 362 (bendy-bend-McBender).
I had a hard time getting my Baker breech to sit flat with the OEM or aftermarket TP
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I see that this is an issue but because this in Mommas gun, I'm not going to settle for 'good enough' and will do the tube mod for sure to get it set down nice and pretty. ;D
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Howdy all,
Anybody do any interal work on their 362s yet?? Flatops or anything??
Thanxx
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Howdy all,
Anybody do any interal work on their 362s yet?? Flatops or anything??
Thanxx
Howdy all,
Anybody do any internal work on their 362s yet?? Flatops or anything??
Thanxx
Hogged out a valve, opened ports, flat top piston just arrived in the mail today so by the end of this weekend I will have results.
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Right now the consensus is that the c362 can't handle FT piston/valve combos.
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If less pumps are required to get to OE full power I would be happy, will find out soon as the parts I needed have arrived. I can see over pumping to be detrimental to the pump linkages longevity. Then again lets test that theory ;)
If not I have a 1377 that could use a boost :)
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Went to install my Steel breech and experimental TKO trigger yesterday and realized that my 8-32 tap was MIA (need it to use the original bolt). Ugh! I’ll pick a new one up today. For what it’s worth (and likely already been said) the 362 bolt and the stock Discovery bolt look to be the same part, aside from my Disco bolt being made out of stainless?
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Just pumpers today....
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Just pumpers today....
Those are some sweet pumpers too.
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Thanx brother...very happy with them..
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Well I resized some of the NOE 218-25-RF slugs to .216&.217 and they might be a little more accurate but nothing like the pellets. I resized some of the 22 cal BBT's down to .217 that I haven't tried yet. They usually shoot pretty good at slower speeds, I'll have to go up in the attic for about 10 shots with them.
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Well i moved my Champeen target box out to 25 yards…(all I got)….shooting the Crosman premiere 14.3 4 pumps..@ a hanging coke can….thought I was missing ….3 pumps and the can jumped …seems @ 4 pumps passed right thru..lol…and with the LDC almost zero report….the can didnt holler…eaze of pumping makes these (362) my go to guns….
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If less pumps are required to get to OE full power I would be happy, will find out soon as the parts I needed have arrived. I can see over pumping to be detrimental to the pump linkages longevity. Then again lets test that theory ;)
If not I have a 1377 that could use a boost :)
. . . and C362 #00731 is now flat topped.
I cut the OE piston off below the collar below the piston cup, drilled and tapped to 7/16 - 24 thread to match the Mellon flat top.
back together Reached 700 FPS on 15 pumps with 16 gr. AA . Will do more testing when my arm has a rest :)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8481)
It did fix my floppy pump arm issue when no air in gun. :)
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Any news james??...waiting patiently lol
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Todays plans were thwarted by a major headache I am still trying to get rid of >:(
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I’ve shot mine everyday since I got them I think. 😂 I’ve got them both sighted in dead on. Open sights and Bugbuster. They’re so much therapeutic fun for me I guess. Lol
i know right except the below zero days i have hardly put mine down when i am blasting soup cans at thirty yrds in my backyard i forget about all mine and the worlds problems hour at a time there is something very satisfying about hitting a bullyeye or making a soup can dance
Awesome post, David. You've really hit the nail on the head. Sitting on the patio, shooting those cans hung out on the back fence, trading shots and barbs with my son, making excuses when we miss... For those hours we both just forget about all of the problems in the world and our lives and only care about hitting that dang can
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Awesome
I’ve shot mine everyday since I got them I think. 😂 I’ve got them both sighted in dead on. Open sights and Bugbuster. They’re so much therapeutic fun for me I guess. Lol
i know right except the below zero days i have hardly put mine down when i am blasting soup cans at thirty yrds in my backyard i forget about all mine and the worlds problems hour at a time there is something very satisfying about hitting a bullyeye or making a soup can dance
Awesome post, David. You've really hit the nail on the head. Sitting on the patio, shooting those cans hung out on the back fence, trading shots and barbs with my son, making excuses when we miss... For those hours we both just forget about all of the problems in the world and our lives and only care about hitting that dang can
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I'm sorry it's come down to this but with a chronic injury to my left shoulder and a remodeled right shoulder, I can no longer 'pump' an airgun.
I have sold miss 941and will be listing miss 811 with the Baker brass trigger tonight in the classifieds.
I will keep the 880's for the grandkids but the 362's are WAY to tempting since I always grab one and shoot a pellet everytime I fill the boiler..
I did that one last time last night and was rewarded with a sleepless night.
Guess I'm AUDI :P
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I'm sorry it's come down to this but with a chronic injury to my left shoulder and a remodeled right shoulder, I can no longer 'pump' an airgun.
I have sold miss 941and will be listing miss 811 with the Baker brass trigger tonight in the classifieds.
I will keep the 880's for the grandkids but the 362's are WAY to tempting since I always grab one and shoot a pellet everytime I fill the boiler..
I did that one last time last night and was rewarded with a sleepless night.
Guess I'm AUDI :P
I don't know how people with good shoulders can shoot them all day! Now that I have a "pony" bottle and can basically fill my bandit unlimited times, MSP's in general are becoming less desirable. Shooting an easy 150-ish pellets and only using 500psi "worth" of air really made putting my disassembled 362 into the attic an easy decision.
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I love my 362! Fantastic guns, accurate, a good Wallop even at five pumps! I would probably buy a third and do some radical grip changes if I had my druthers but my shoulders will just not allow me to pump a gun any longer.
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When I was recovering from surgery and wanted to shoot a pumper I would lay it across my lap with the scope between my thighs. I found I could pump it easier that way. Used my upper body weight instead of my shoulders.
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When I was recovering from surgery and wanted to shoot a pumper I would lay it across my lap with the scope between my thighs. I found I could pump it easier that way. Used my upper body weight instead of my shoulders.
"Where there is will there is a way", so they say. It sounds like a doable way to pump it up
if you have shoulder problems.
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I'm sorry it's come down to this but with a chronic injury to my left shoulder and a remodeled right shoulder, I can no longer 'pump' an airgun.
I have sold miss 941 811and will be listing miss 811 941 with the Baker brass trigger aluminum breech tonight in the classifieds.
I will keep the 880's for the grandkids but the 362's are WAY to tempting since I always grab one and shoot a pellet everytime I fill the boiler..
I did that one last time last night and was rewarded with a sleepless night.
Guess I'm AUDI :P
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The C362-941 is listed, I'll still read this thread with sadness in my heart. :-[ :-[
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I did another numbers shooting with mine this morning
https://youtu.be/0s24ut0dSG8
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Bill I'm using UTG rings that came with my BugBuster, I've got the BugBuster 4-12X with the side parallax on mine right now, I did have the 3-9X like you ordered to begin with but considering how much I like the side parallax I put it on mainly for field use.
Wayne
I hope it's okay to reach back into this thread a ways to quote a post you made on 15 Feb 2021.
I see you have a Bug Buster with the side parallax and I was wondering if the
"UTG 80mm BUGBUSTER Side Wheel Add-on" really necessary to make adjustments ?
Does that side wheel get in the way of anything on your 362 ?
Bill
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You don't have to use the side wheel. It is removable to expose a knob that looks like a turret cap.
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I've never used a side wheel on anything but what I do mostly is hunt,
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Ok seems crazzy but my 362 loves 12 pumps...with 17.75 vortex...hole on hole...seems 660fps is better than 580 with 8 pumps.....
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Ok seems crazzy but my 362 loves 12 pumps...with 17.75 vortex...hole on hole...seems 660fps is better than 580 with 8 pumps.....
Is it dumping all the air at 12? My .25 is holding air past 9 pumps.
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Yes sir,holding air just fine...
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Don I think he meant is it still using all the air at 12, or is there still some in it after you shoot? Cock it again after the shot and pull the trigger. You should be able to tell if there was still some air in it.
My 362 arrived today! Shot it twice right out of the box at 10m, same hole, nice.
While installing the steel breech I polished the barrel with some JB.
Back together with a 2-7 Hawke shooting CPHP@ 670fps.
I like it.
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Yes im sorry dumping all the air...
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Seems production tolerances are all over the place on these c362's. I'm wishing I had waited or not gotten one at this point.
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I'm still wondering if Crosman is making the barrels for these guns because I have noticed that all previous .22 barrels weren't as small as the one on the 362 I've been shooting. it seems to be pretty darned accurate shooting my cast NOE Hunters from it, I'd try the JSB 18.3 grain in it but I can't seem to find the tin that I still had a couple years ago, I need to start digging around to see if I can find them in all the different spots where they could be . . . . I guess that kind of happens when a person abandons store bought pellets when they make their own.
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I only have 25 yrds max to shoot. I've never been able to shoot some heavier pellets until I got my 362. JSB Match Diabolo Exact Jumbo Monsters have been putting a BIG smile on my face !!! I have to sneak in a couple overtime hours to make sure I get my "FIX" 8)
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U folks talk about the 362 barrel being “smaller” are we talking OD….because when I take a TKO off of a 1322 and put it on a 362 its a force fit….just my .02
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U folks talk about the 362 being “smaller” are we talking OD….because when I take a TKO off of a 1322 and put it on a 362 its a force fit….just my .02
Same here... it was a forced fit on the OD. I do know that this barrel is an in-house made barrel. The Crosman Engineer who posts here did tell me that in PM.
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There's nothing smaller about either of my 2 362 barrels. The OD is a little bigger and the bores are huge.
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Just head about these new dogs this week. So of course I had to order one, they look interesting. ;D
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Looking over my new 362. I like it.
Out of the box ,675 fps @8 using 14.3 CPHP pellets. Kinda peppy for a small compact pumper.
I am going to get the power up some and mount a scope to see if it is accurate enough for another round of mods.
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Hey guys, is there a good setup for peep sights if I put a steel breech on the 362? If I run a williams peep or similar on a steel breech I imagine I will need a taller front sight but havent been able to find a good definite setup.
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Hey Sunlitsabs
Here is what I have done to the front sight of my C362, You can make it any height that you need.
You cut off the blade of the front sight, drill and tap for a 6/32 set screw, cut a piece of allen wrench that fits
the 6/32 set to make the front post the height you need. Glue it in the set screw.
Here is the link to the thread showing what I did to my C362
//www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=196798.0
Hope the link works. Well the link did not work the title of my thread is{ My c362 Sight Mods } on page 2
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Here's what I did......
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.msg156288775#msg156288775 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.msg156288775#msg156288775)
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I like to cut those Crosman ramp sights up too. Cut the top off drill a hole and use a brass pin glued in for higher visibility than iron pins. Cut the bottom off and glue the top to a TKO for a ramp painted with a florescent paint. (http://)
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Thanks guys, those are great solutions!
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Anybody still shooting thier 362,??
Any mod updates???
Still enjoying mine.
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Anybody still shooting thier 362,??
Any mod updates???
Still enjoying mine.
Not lately…arguing with my used Sentry..(sold as new??)…….lol
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I have 2 at the ready for pest, may go see what damage these will do today while doing
yard work :)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8446)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8408)
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I robbed the scope off mine but ended up couldn't use it on what I had in mind so now when I get around to it I'll put it back on for a quick sight in in the attic soon.
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Anybody still shooting thier 362,??
Any mod updates???
Still enjoying mine.
I'm still shooting and enjoying mine. I ordered a .22 Disco SE barrel and a Maximus slip on adapter for a 1/2-20 can yesterday.
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Well I’ve shot it a bit and I do like the concept. However, it seems to hold air even after only 5 pumps so that’s a problem. I think it might be the rear sights screw impeding the hammer spring maybe but will have to take it apart eventually. Also had a little trouble sighting it in and I think the sights might have been drilled a tad crooked so I’ll be inspecting that closer too.
Did I mention I shot and broke my Chrony on the first test shot?! ;D Dang! It was the cheap EBay one but it did work pretty good.
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I finally got a steel breech for my 362 made a little video for my tube channel.
https://youtu.be/YZvOI20nAHI
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Love mine. now I want to do a .177 version
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I finally got a steel breech for my 362 made a little video for my tube channel.
I enjoyed your video.
Wish I could of seen it prior to installing the steel breech on my 362.
Instructions I followed, had me remove the trigger safety and stock.
Your version is much simpler and quicker.
Thank you
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Be aware …its been reported that the rear breech screw can crush the hammer spring green guide….the screw on my steel breech was barely short enough not too….it would benefit anybody to read all things 362…good luck
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I finally got a steel breech for my 362 made a little video for my tube channel.
I enjoyed your video.
Wish I could of seen it prior to installing the steel breech on my 362.
Instructions I followed, had me remove the trigger safety and stock.
Your version is much simpler and quicker.
Thank you
Do to the nature of the soft metal screws ,i try to limit how much i take these guns apart….by removing the stock u have the opportunity to work on the trigger,fix the wobbly hammer pin and check the clearance of rear breech screw….good luck
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Power to the people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16l1U48U-dM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16l1U48U-dM)
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Power to the people.
Thanks for sharing….Really enjoyed that vid….made me want to buy one….OH…WAIT …I already have 2…a 362 and a 367….thing looks impressive with the 24’ barrel….
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Im wanting to swap out the breech and valve in the 362. Does anyone know a good resource for dissassembly/reassembly? Or are they pretty simple to pull apart without a diagram?
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When I was reading this topic I figured I was over due for putting the bugbuster back on the 362. I set the target upside down but figured what
the heck I just want to get it sighted in good enough to do some back yard pesting. I think that where it's at it'll be good for eight pumps in the back yard.
These shots were all done with four pumps using my cast wad cutters@30ft.
It sure was muggy and hot up in the attic.
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When I was reading this topic I figured I was over due for putting the bugbuster back on the 362. I set the target upside down but figured what
the heck I just want to get it sighted in good enough to do some back yard pesting. I think that where it's at it'll be good for eight pumps in the back yard.
These shots were all done with four pumps using my cast wad cutters@30ft.
It sure was muggy and hot up in the attic.
Wayne, very nice shooting. I am very impressed with the 362 as a low entry AG. I added front and a rear adjustable peep sight
To mine and it also is a great and consistent shooter which seems to work great for my aging eyes. :-\
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Im wanting to swap out the breech and valve in the 362. Does anyone know a good resource for dissassembly/reassembly? Or are they pretty simple to pull apart without a diagram?
They are pretty easy but the first time it can be a little tricky, just look up Crosman 1377/1322 vids on Youtube they are almost identical as far as valve and breech work.
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Bob I've got two of them, the other one is staying stock with the peep sight, I really do like the peep sights that come on them too.
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Im wanting to swap out the breech and valve in the 362. Does anyone know a good resource for dissassembly/reassembly? Or are they pretty simple to pull apart without a diagram?
Well Im not these guys….but to me similar to working on a 1377/22 or a 392/7…..good luck..
So far no schematic/parts diagram…that Ive been able to find…..crosman doesnt even offer one …………..yet…
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I helped write this thread, only thing different from a 13xx is the green bugger. Other tips and tricks were tried out and added to this thread for the most part.
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I still need to get a roll pin punch set and take my valve out and see why it's not working right.
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Both guns were/are fun…we laff/we cried (me and the guns)…..Ive moved on ;) :D ….good luck
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Both guns were/are fun…we laff/we cried…..Ive moved on :'( ;) …….good luck
Yup fun enough to keep me from fixing my compressor for over 2 months :)
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They will remain in my arsenal but, to be honest, it's just too dam hot out here to be pumping one up for every shot.
This is PCP weather baby.
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Bill I am probably going to take mine on the state land soon, I haven't had it out there yet. I'm sure it would do a number on a red squirrel. 8)
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Instead of buying a new 362 I spent my tax return on another vintage 1400. I’ll get a 362. Eventually.
I’m getting 14 fpe from my 1400 so I don’t see the 362 as much of a step up. I’d have to put a wood stock on it and a steel breach and at that point I’ll probably have $300 sunk in it. I’ll get one. Eventually. ;D
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I was hoping they would carry more enthusiasm so someone would make some custom wood for them.
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I bought a wood stock for a 2260 with intentions to fit to the 362 but haven't got to it.....
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Is Anyone working on a lighter trigger ??? or a trigger other than plastic ???
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Is Anyone working on a lighter trigger ??? or a trigger other than plastic ???
there are a few different options but only 2 that are metal.
the Baker brass trigger with a couple alterations is a nice option...
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195305.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195305.0)
the other option is the Magnum Airpower metal trigger which is plug and play...
https://onlinestore.magnumairpower.com/products/custom-rifle-trigger-kit-7075 (https://onlinestore.magnumairpower.com/products/custom-rifle-trigger-kit-7075)
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They will remain in my arsenal but, to be honest, it's just too dam hot out here to be pumping one up for every shot.
This is PCP weather baby.
You got that right!
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Is Anyone working on a lighter trigger ??? or a trigger other than plastic ???
there are a few different options but only 2 that are metal.
the Baker brass trigger with a couple alterations is a nice option...
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195305.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195305.0)
the other option is the Magnum Airpower metal trigger which is plug and play...
https://onlinestore.magnumairpower.com/products/custom-rifle-trigger-kit-7075 (https://onlinestore.magnumairpower.com/products/custom-rifle-trigger-kit-7075)
Neither are plug and play.... you would need to drill and tap for the adjustment screws and there is not much material in the area that need modified. Best do a little research before jumping in.
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I honed all the contact points in my trigger mecha, made a big difference.
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Is Anyone working on a lighter trigger ??? or a trigger other than plastic ???
there are a few different options but only 2 that are metal.
the Baker brass trigger with a couple alterations is a nice option...
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195305.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195305.0)
the other option is the Magnum Airpower metal trigger which is plug and play...
https://onlinestore.magnumairpower.com/products/custom-rifle-trigger-kit-7075 (https://onlinestore.magnumairpower.com/products/custom-rifle-trigger-kit-7075)
Neither are plug and play.... you would need to drill and tap for the adjustment screws and there is not much material in the area that need modified. Best do a little research before jumping in.
my bad...
The Magnum trigger will work without the adjustment screws but it would be no different than the OEM other than being metal. To make it adjustable, you need the adjustment screws added in. I did the two rear screws and a third in the front for the sear.
(https://i.imgur.com/8V29XYb.jpg)
There are a few threads on the 362 trigger and how different people did it but like Bill said... best to research those and decide what works best for you.
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I know it has been a wile, but I just got a 362 last week.
Now I need to slap the steel breech on it, and get some lead down range.
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8) ;D
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Congrats on your new 362 Don, I may go up in the attic later and shoot a numbers target with mine, they're a lot of fun and an excellent pesting gun for red squirrels in my back yard.
I've got the steel breech, extended probe and Bug Buster scope on mine, they're a very accurate pumper and for being a polymer stock it's actually a solid stock for sure. I wonder
if Crosman will ever decide to put them out with wood stocks ???
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Can someone measure the 362 pump tube and share the dimensions, Thanks.
Cant buy the 362 or its tube here in India so DIY with a brass seamless tube, which I have is only option for me.
Manish
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Are we able to get parts from Crosman for this rifle yet? Couldn’t see it in parts catalogue. I am wanting to pick up an extra linkage assembly.
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I've had mine a year now, just got a steel breech installed. I only took out the two screws and slid the new breech into place. Good gun became great gun.
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Agreed, I even think I would of paid 150 for a factory steel breach version of the 362 for sure. 8) others would do the same for a 361 also I bet ;) I wont get into the .20 option but am considering a conversion. ;D
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For all you guys who where dreaming about a wood stock 362
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For all you guys who where dreaming about a wood stock 362
I wonder why they did away with the tombstone sight? Either way, the plastic cap at the end of the pump tube really ruins the look, but I'm sure it will still sell.
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*(&^ yes !!!
Steel Breach and all !!! Yes Yes Yes !
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Where can I buy one ? They're not listed on Crosman's site ???
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That wood stock 362 looks great!
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For all you guys who where dreaming about a wood stock 362
I wonder why they did away with the tombstone sight? Either way, the plastic cap at the end of the pump tube really ruins the look, but I'm sure it will still sell.
They could have molded the front end cap barrel band in a brown plastic at least to try and blend it with the wood stock I suppose but this is Crosman after all. My guess is the front piece was cost prohibitive to make in wood. Being that it’s a 100 year anniversary addition it’ll be gone in a blink. Only 2023 will be made.
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Where can I buy one ? They're not listed on Crosman's site ???
I didn’t see it on their website either. Limited addition only 2023 supposed to get made so it’ll go faster than Tyler Swift concert tickets 😆
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That sure is a beautiful air rifle but with the limited production I'm sure they will sell for way more than I would be interested in paying. But that is very cool Crosman is broaden their catalog. Looks like they have competition coming for more of the PCP market as well. 8)
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Could this be an early April fools joke?
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I thought I saw someone say there's a PCP version of the 362 inbound
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I thought I saw someone say there's a PCP version of the 362 inbound
It's also in the catalog that is downloadable on crosman.com
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Looks like they are also adding a 367.
I'd be willing to try for one of the woodie versions, but that plastic cap completely kills it for me. If it was just shaped to fit the forearm better it wouldn't bother me a bit, but as it sits now, the whole thing looks like it's been photoshopped.
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Yeah but, if I'm not mistaken, those last 2 will have plastic stocks.
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Yeah, I was also disappointed a 367 wood did not appear in the catalog. It's the avenger mk i all over again.
I guess I could swap barrels. Anybody know what a .177 barrel to swap into the 362 costs?
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Yeah, I was also disappointed a 367 wood did not appear in the catalog. It's the avenger mk i all over again.
I guess I could swap barrels. Anybody know what a .177 barrel to swap into the 362 costs?
I think with shipping (UPS)…$48 ….for my disco (24”) from crosman…I already had the steel breach …thats a crosman brake …on barrel…LDC made it longer…and I decided not to have barrel cut down…..gun is not loud…..good luck
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Half of that was shipping....
I was somehow able to sneak mine in for the $4 shipping.
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Half of that was shipping....
I was somehow able to sneak mine in for the $4 shipping.
Cool…I wasnt given a choice @ the time…UPS
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Half of that was shipping....
I was somehow able to sneak mine in for the $4 shipping.
Cool…I wasnt given a choice @ the time…UPS
yeah, clearly the Parts lady messed up... same lady did it twice. I wasn't going to argue. ;)
I think I posted my receipt in my 362 thread, I'd have to go back and look.
Ah Ha... lookie there, I saved it.
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Half of that was shipping....
I was somehow able to sneak mine in for the $4 shipping.
Cool…I wasnt given a choice @ the time…UPS
yeah, clearly the Parts lady messed up... same lady did it twice. I wasn't going to argue. ;)
I think I posted my receipt in my 362 thread, I'd have to go back and look.
Ah Ha... lookie there, I saved it.
NOW I see this post! I tried to order several different .177 barrels today and they were all out of stock... :-[
Guess I'll try that part number on the next order.
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Have u considered WTB on the classifieds….good luck
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Have u considered WTB on the classifieds….good luck
I did not, Crosman usually had most of the parts I tried to order but it appears that has changed. Thanks for the suggestion!
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Half of that was shipping....
I was somehow able to sneak mine in for the $4 shipping.
Cool…I wasnt given a choice @ the time…UPS
yeah, clearly the Parts lady messed up... same lady did it twice. I wasn't going to argue. ;)
I think I posted my receipt in my 362 thread, I'd have to go back and look.
Ah Ha... lookie there, I saved it.
NOW I see this post! I tried to order several different .177 barrels today and they were all out of stock... :-[
Guess I'll try that part number on the next order.
I plan to get me a .177 MROD LW barrel as spare, although they do require machining if attached to a 22xx/13xx breech.
Already have 2 in .22; one of which is now mated to a PROD breech.
Them Lothars are just lasers :-*
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I buckled and got an Anniversary 362. #728 of 2023
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I talked to Mike from TKO the other day on another matter…he stated he got one , said it was a beauty and a nice shooter…good luck
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I talked to Mike from TKO the other day on another matter…he stated he got one , said it was a beauty and a nice shooter…good luck
I like the way it looks but I didn't win the aesthetics wood lottery IMO. That will make it easier to use it though! I haven't shot it yet I need to do that now, but I don't regret buying it, hey it is mostly wood and metal after all! I paid $359 for it.
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I talked to Mike from TKO the other day on another matter…he stated he got one , said it was a beauty and a nice shooter…good luck
I like the way it looks but I didn't win the aesthetics wood lottery IMO. That will make it easier to use it though! I haven't shot it yet I need to do that now, but I don't regret buying it, hey it is mostly wood and metal after all! I paid $359 for it.
Mike said he got a $150 dealer discount…lol
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Betty Lou and I shot our matching 362s in a little competition yesterday. Both converted to .177. I'm happy to announce that it was a rare occasion where I won. ;D
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[chuckling] Congrats, Bill!
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I took my 362 hunting yesterday. It sure is a light and handy gun for carrying all day. I plowed through thickets, climbed over downed trees, and waded through the swamp with mine and hardly noticed I was carrying it. Nothing like my Hatsan mod 125. It still needs a sling though. There are some situations that arise while hunting that require the use of both hands.
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I shot my 362/367’s yesterday still dont like the short LOP…..if the woodie had a longer LOP I can see maybe investing in one….definitely gonna order some butt pads…good luck
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Betty Lou and I shot our matching 362s in a little competition yesterday. Both converted to .177. I'm happy to announce that it was a rare occasion where I won. ;D
By the time I took my new 362 out to shoot it it was dark. I did hit the can once out of five shots the way the 362 arrived but I couldn't see though the peep site in the dark so, I think that was OK.
I was going to shoot mine this afternoon and forgot to. :-[ I started messing around with a bicycle I am going to give away.
I have some yardwork to do tomorrow in town and don't know if I'll get a round to it. :-\
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My birthday present, a Crosman 362, arrived this afternoon! While awaiting its arrival, I had read this entire thread (and many others).
The first thing I noticed opening the box is that the packaging is better than before. I'd read that earlier rifles had just a couple blocks of polystyrene foam glued inside the cardboard box to limit the rifle shifting around inside, but the styrofoam inevitably broke (and broke loose), allowing the rifle to get sloshed around inside its own packaging. And then there were dozens, if not hundreds, of little polystyrene beads that clung to the rifle, your clothing, and your floor.
But now there are two pre-formed cardboard blocks that surround the muzzle & front sight, and another around the receiver. There was no sign of movement or damage when I opened the box. So that's good. Crosman has been paying attention to the previous complaints about shipping damage, and subsequently improved the packaging.
The plastic stock feels more heavy and solid than I imagined (for a cheap plastic stock). I had been thinking of removing the butt cap and filling the stock with aerosol foam, but now having had one in my hands, I don't think that's necessary. It doesn't feel as cheap and light as I was afraid it would (it could be a lot worse). I really want a walnut stock, but Crosman only sold 2023 of those with the 100th Anniversary special edition 362s a couple years ago, and aftermarket stocks aren't really a thing yet. I hope they catch up soon.
I ran a patch soaked with Goo-Gone down the bore, let it soak for a few minutes, then cleaned it out with dry patches. Bleeeccchhh! But the 4th patch came out clean and dry, and the bore looks nice. I'll polish it with JB Bore Paste and Simichrome later on when I take the rifle apart for trigger work, be-burring, honing & polishing, etc.
The factory sights are nothing to write home about, but they work. The front sight wasn't squarely vertical, but a little twist fixed that. A single screw holds the rear peep sight in place, so to adjust for elevation, you loosen the screw and than raise or lower the peep with your fingers. Low-tech, but functional. Once dialed in, I was able to shoot (offhand) an inch-ish group at 15 feet, so I'm pretty pleased.
This is just temporary. I have a Crosman steel breech in hand, upon which a 4x 32mm scope will be mounted, but I don't have the scope yet, so I'll keep the plastic breech and peepsight in place until then so I can enjoy the rifle.
As for the steel breech, I'll drill and tap two more #8-32 holes to secure the barrel, for a total of three, like I did for my Crosman 1377 pistol. It's the exact same part. Hooray for modularity!
I also have a stainless long-probe bolt (with a magnet in the rear to hold the bolt open when loading). The trigger itself is plastic, so there's not much to do with it. I have a Baker adjustable brass trigger in mind, but they're currently out of stock. In the meantime, the sear and hammer could stand some honing and polishing, thin washers on the pins to eliminate side-to-side slop, and some tweaking of the springs, and I'll reinforce the rear wall of the trigger group and then drill and tap holes for the two-screw mod, and then a Buck Rail steel threaded muzzle adapter for their 1/2-20 modulator. (Captain Kirk voice: "I.. have... a plan.")
This is my first .22 pellet gun. Everything else for the past 45-ish years have been .177. My first impression of .22 vs. .177 is that .22s are a lot easier to load, being bigger and easier to see and handle. And the holes in paper targets are bigger as well, all in all, making shooting .22s easier on aging eyes. ;D
Not bad at all for a $110 rifle. I'm glad I ordered it when I did, as Crosman itself is showing them out of stock today. That wasn't the case on Thursday.
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Welcome to the forum. That's a good rifle to start with. You will find it doesn't take much tweaking to make it a great one.
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Welcome to the madness Todd 😉. Yes, 13xx parts, discovery and maximus barrels... a few options out there that will work with the 362. The aftermarket folks had no interest in this gun for some reason so I wouldn't expect them to now. Shame too as there was so much hype when this one came out. All of the mods and upgrades came from folks here who did it themselves and there are a lot of threads discussing them. Have fun with it and welcome aboard! 🙂
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I know Crosman wants to keep costs down, but dang...
(https://www.advrider.com/f/attachments/sear-jpg.6681581/)
My sear where the intermediate lever contacts. Before...
(https://www.advrider.com/f/data/attachments/6450/6450573-80bb186e119c21c2426d85b0272fd4be.jpg)
And after...
(https://www.advrider.com/f/attachments/sear-after-jpg.6681585/)
In a few years I'm going to want that two hours back.
So once I got going, I continued with the rest of the trigger group. Since the trigger, sear, and intermediate lever rub (slightly) on these internal ribs, I sanded them with 400, then 1000, then polished with red rouge on a Dremel buffing wheel...
(https://www.advrider.com/f/attachments/632-trigger-1-jpg.6685891/)
I chemically stripped the paint from the rear wall of the trigger housing so I could add this...
(https://www.advrider.com/f/data/attachments/6450/6450593-0ec9e007f2282e90771b36a05383195d.jpg)
JB Welded in place...
(https://www.advrider.com/f/data/attachments/6450/6450597-9b2402f7a2cc28a4485367601e63935b.jpg)
... to effectively double the thickness of the rear wall so I could drill and tap holes for the Two-Screw Mod. Stainless steel washers of varying thicknesses on each side of the trigger, intermediate lever, and sear to reduce the side-to-side slop.
(https://www.advrider.com/f/attachments/632-trigger-4-jpg.6685911/)
The trigger housing cover needed a little work in order to fit the new rear wall thickness... a bit of filing on the little spots at the top (shaded in silver Sharpie)...
(https://www.advrider.com/f/data/attachments/6450/6450651-049b6cc8ffc31a944de2a46f55d5a0ca.jpg)
I replaced the trigger return spring with a similar length of ballpoint-pen spring, and tweaked the sear spring until the sear is pushed up to its mechanical limit with no additional undue force.
The trigger wasn't all that bad before, but now it feels great. Smooth and lighter, with no creep. I'm very pleased.
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I also cleaned the bore, then polished it with JB Bore Paste on a .22 caliber bore mop... fifty strokes. Then cleaned the bore again and polished it with Flitz... fifty strokes. I could feel the internal friction diminish as the bore polished out. Then cleaned it again and touched up the crown. Then cleaned it again to polish the freebore...
In my lathe, I turned a wood dowel a few thousandths smaller than the inner diameter of the freebore, then used a drill motor to turn the dowel in the freebore with a dab of Flitz. After a couple minutes of easy going, I checked the transfer port by rubbing the freebore with a Q-Tip, and no burrs were present to snag the cotton (or a pellet).
Then cleaned it again. ::)
I also fitted a Crosman steel breech, after drilling and tapping holes for two additional grub screws. Since I'm using a scope and no sights, I shortened the rear sight screw by about 3/16" to allow the hammer to move freely.
I was surprised by the sharp edges inside the pump tube along the pump lever slot. If valve o-rings and pump cups are damaged during assembly, I can see why. I ran a small file along the inner edges of the slot, being careful to keep the tip of the file away from the inner surface of the tube. Then smoothed that out with some fine emery cloth. Then cleaned the chips out of the tube with brake cleaner and a paper towel on a dowel.
I'll turn a double-screw pump lever pin out of brass, to replace the original roll pin, so I can take the pump apart without a hammer.
I already have a Buck Rail 1/2-20 moderator, and will turn a slip-on adapter (secured with grub screws) out of steel.
I got a cheap CVLife 4x 32mm scope. it should do okay for my short-range backyard stuff. I welded up a target stand that holds Ritz crackers and Necco wafers. I hope to be able to regularly zap the Necco wafers. They're pretty small. 8)
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Lots of good work on that 362. It will pay off. Do you play on doing anything about the clackety clack of the pumping?
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Lots of good work on that 362. It will pay off. Do you play on doing anything about the clackety clack of the pumping?
I removed the magnet and metal plate that it strikes at the rear of the pump lever. Replaced them with black felt stick on pads and the clacking is a lot more muffled than metal on metal. It cams over and stays closed fine without them on both of my 362 guns and I like it so much better. Also put felt on the contact points inside the forearm where they strike the tube. Starting to work on a brass trigger and two adjustment screws so that is a good picture above adding some metal for the screws. I hope to remove the ridge at back and add a metal plate there to thread for screws. That sear above sure is rough both of mine were smooth so that must have been a bad batch.
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Mine came with a piece of felt glued over the magnet, so Crosman has done something to address that complaint. I'll glue some more, or maybe the loop side of some adhesive-backed velcro, in other spots to muffle the clackiness.
As for triggers, it seems MAP has sold all of his Disco triggers, and has made known that he's not interested in having more made. So that's out.
Alliance has some, but he still hasn't shipped an order of mine from January, so I'm wary of placing another order with him.
I'm a big fan of Alchemy, and have lots of his high-quality stuff for my 1377. He carries a 1377 / 1322 roller trigger, where the contact point is a polished steel roller riding on a polished steel pin. Practically frictionless. It's fantastic. But he doesn't stock 362 triggers.
And the Baker brass trigger is currently out of stock. I'm signed up for email alerts when they get more.
So it's the plastic Crosman trigger for now. I sanded the one contact point with 1000-grit, then polished it with Flitz. It's glossy, but probably has more friction on the intermediate lever than polished hardened steel or polished brass. If I get real bored, I'll sand that contact point down some more, drill a shallow depression in it, and epoxy a small ball bearing it its place.
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The magnet on my 362 fractured into four pieces as they are wont to do. I cured that with a little epoxy. I also epoxied a steel washer to the stock to contact the magnet. I cut up a 1' thick piece of Ethafoam (a closed cell foam) and wedged pieces into the hollows of the forearm to damp the clatter of the pump arm.
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Mine came with a piece of felt glued over the magnet, so Crosman has done something to address that complaint. I'll glue some more, or maybe the loop side of some adhesive-backed velcro, in other spots to muffle the clackiness.
As for triggers, it seems MAP has sold all of his Disco triggers, and has made known that he's not interested in having more made. So that's out.
Alliance has some, but he still hasn't shipped an order of mine from January, so I'm wary of placing another order with him.
I'm a big fan of Alchemy, and have lots of his high-quality stuff for my 1377. He carries a 1377 / 1322 roller trigger, where the contact point is a polished steel roller riding on a polished steel pin. Practically frictionless. It's fantastic. But he doesn't stock 362 triggers.
And the Baker brass trigger is currently out of stock. I'm signed up for email alerts when they get more.
So it's the plastic Crosman trigger for now. I sanded the one contact point with 1000-grit, then polished it with Flitz. It's glossy, but probably has more friction on the intermediate lever than polished hardened steel or polished brass. If I get real bored, I'll sand that contact point down some more, drill a shallow depression in it, and epoxy a small ball bearing it its place.
I have the TKO triggers in a few of my 362 builds 1 pound give or take. https://www.tko22.com/section7
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I have a couple of the first TKO triggers that he sent me for testing when he first began making them. A couple of the first ones broke into pieces. I think he upgraded the material in later versions.
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And the Baker brass trigger is currently out of stock. I'm signed up for email alerts when they get more.
Todd, I have a brand new Baker brass trigger that I decided not to use in my first 362. I will never use it as I went Magnum on both my 362 and 367 builds. If you want it, you can have it for free. If interested, PM me with mailing details and I can have that out to you in a day or two. ;)
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And the Baker brass trigger is currently out of stock. I'm signed up for email alerts when they get more.
Todd, I have a brand new Baker brass trigger that I decided not to use in my first 362. I will never use it as I went Magnum on both my 362 and 367 builds. If you want it, you can have it for free. If interested, PM me with mailing details and I can have that out to you in a day or two. ;)
2nd dibs but I’d buy it from you :-*
Gracias 👍
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2nd dibs but I’d buy it from you :-*
Gracias 👍
If Todd doesn't want it... it is yours Rick. ;)
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Todd, I have a brand new Baker brass trigger that I decided not to use in my first 362. I will never use it as I went Magnum on both my 362 and 367 builds. If you want it, you can have it for free. If interested, PM me with mailing details and I can have that out to you in a day or two. ;)
Oh, wow. I'd love to have it. PM sent. 8)
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2nd dibs but I’d buy it from you :-*
Gracias 👍
If Todd doesn't want it... it is yours Rick. ;)
Thank you, sir 👍
Congrats to the nice part, Todd 👍
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Tried recrowning and deburring the lead last night on the 362. Put it back together today. Shoots just as bad. Possibly worse? I put it down again. Love the looks and the way it pumps. I just got a [edited for content] lemon.
Shot the 100 at fifty feet with terminators. Now that's what I like to see (groupwise)! I felt and feel better about pumpers again. Thank you, 80 year old crosman.
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Alrightythen!
This afternoon I received the Baker trigger kit which was most generously and graciously provided by our own Spooner.
I sanded the Trigger's contact with the Intermediate Lever with 1000-grit, then polished it to a mirror sheen.
I turned the "nub" for the Trigger Return Spring out of brass. You ever forget to take photos during a project? It happened to me. But just imagine a short, brass allen screw with 6-32 threads and no hex socket. Using the Crosman plastic trigger for a pattern, I drilled the Baker trigger in the proper place and tapped that hole 6-32, then installed the nub with Loc-Tite.
Ordinarily, I put stainless washers of varying thicknesses under and over the pins to take up the side-to-side slop in the Trigger, Sear, and Intermediate Lever. But the Baker trigger fit the Trigger Housing better than the Crosman part (imagine that), so I didn't have to use any washers.
I had backed the Adjustment Screws out a bit to allow for the (slightly) different dimensions of the new trigger, and then re-adjusted them to the new trigger once everything was oiled and re-assembled. Feels nice!
As it moved back and forth, the Safety selector was then a bit tighter on the trigger than I prefer, so I turned a few thou from the Safety's diameter, just where it contacts the Trigger, and made a smoother, more-rounded chamfer. Much better now. I guess the Baker trigger has just a bit more material in that area than the Crosman part. (It was easier to drop the Safety and make the trim there than to remove the Trigger and file on it with trial-and-error.)
I didn't like the way my finger rubbed on the Safety selector while pulling the trigger, as the Safety always stuck out a bit too far in 'Fire'. So while I had it out, I also removed about 100 thousandths from the length of that end of the Safety. Now it's pretty much flush with the trigger guard, and makes no contact with my trigger finger at Go Time.
Many thanks, Robert. Your old trigger went to an appreciative home. 8)
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That looks fantastic Todd! 8)
You are most welcome and glad it found a good project and home. ;D
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Wow! Looks and sounds great!
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I had already picked up a 3D-printed Buck Rail moderator, and was looking around at different adapters. Some with front sights, some without. I'd already ditched the sights on the C362 and went with a scope, so that helped narrow it down. But looking at the machined-metal adapters out there, I thought "I can make that". I've been running a lathe in various forms of education, side-jobs, and as a hobby for over forty years. So, yeah...
(https://www.advrider.com/f/attachments/362-adapter1-jpg.6724913/)
Click to enlarge
1010 or 1018 hot-rolled steel, 1-inch nominal diameter, drilled 7/16" (nominal) for the Crosman barrel, 1/2"-20 threads for the moderator, and a couple #8-32 brass-tip grub screws underneath to secure it to the barrel. Then polished with fine emery cloth and blued with Birchwood-Casey Perma-Blue and a Q-Tip. It turned out pretty well.
(https://www.advrider.com/f/attachments/362-adapter3-jpg.6724917/)
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I've had a few Form 1 suppressors on various powder-burners for years, so I can appreciate the noise reduction even on an airgun, since I'm shooting in the garage or in the backyard with neighbors close by. The moderator makes a noticeable difference, so it will remain in place for the most part.
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Looks great Todd.
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Nice work, Todd!
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I picked up a 362 yesterday and plinked a little bit. I confirmed the 8 pump limit. At 800' elevation anything more than 8 definitely retains air. I have a 1377 so I'm familiar with a lot of mods that can be done, but I don't think I'll need anything more than the 8 pumps, as long as the squirrels don't start taking trt. The only things I'd like to add right now is a suppressor and some glass. That should help me keep the baddies away from the chickens.
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I picked up a 362 yesterday and plinked a little bit. I confirmed the 8 pump limit. At 800' elevation anything more than 8 definitely retains air. I have a 1377 so I'm familiar with a lot of mods that can be done, but I don't think I'll need anything more than the 8 pumps, as long as the squirrels don't start taking trt. The only things I'd like to add right now is a suppressor and some glass. That should help me keep the baddies away from the chickens.
After reading this I checked my model 362 guns for retained air at ten pumps. I bought three at the local Meijer store after Christmas when they marked them down to $59 as I wanted to convert two into .177 and .25cal. Two of them dump all 10 pumps and one retains a small puff of air at ten pumps. Eight is plenty for the smaller calibers but 10 would be better for .25cal when I get around to converting that one.
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Wow, $59 was a nice deal.
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Wow, $59 was a nice deal.
I bought the first one at $79 after Christmas then went back a few weeks later and they were $59 so I got two to tinker on. They said it was a Christmas item and was reduced until they were gone. I've always liked pumpers and was glad to help them sell these.
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I'm loving mine. A bit of work turned it into a great rifle.
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I picked up a 362 yesterday and plinked a little bit. I confirmed the 8 pump limit. At 800' elevation anything more than 8 definitely retains air. I have a 1377 so I'm familiar with a lot of mods that can be done, but I don't think I'll need anything more than the 8 pumps, as long as the squirrels don't start taking trt. The only things I'd like to add right now is a suppressor and some glass. That should help me keep the baddies away from the chickens.
After reading this I checked my model 362 guns for retained air at ten pumps. I bought three at the local Meijer store after Christmas when they marked them down to $59 as I wanted to convert two into .177 and .25cal. Two of them dump all 10 pumps and one retains a small puff of air at ten pumps. Eight is plenty for the smaller calibers but 10 would be better for .25cal when I get around to converting that one.
And after reading this, I'm wanting to dump all the air out of ten pumps. Would adding a power adjuster do the trick? I figure I'd have to remove some of the stock, but that's fine by me.
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I picked up a 362 yesterday and plinked a little bit. I confirmed the 8 pump limit. At 800' elevation anything more than 8 definitely retains air. I have a 1377 so I'm familiar with a lot of mods that can be done, but I don't think I'll need anything more than the 8 pumps, as long as the squirrels don't start taking trt. The only things I'd like to add right now is a suppressor and some glass. That should help me keep the baddies away from the chickens.
After reading this I checked my model 362 guns for retained air at ten pumps. I bought three at the local Meijer store after Christmas when they marked them down to $59 as I wanted to convert two into .177 and .25cal. Two of them dump all 10 pumps and one retains a small puff of air at ten pumps. Eight is plenty for the smaller calibers but 10 would be better for .25cal when I get around to converting that one.
And after reading this, I'm wanting to dump all the air out of ten pumps. Would adding a power adjuster do the trick? I figure I'd have to remove some of the stock, but that's fine by me.
Hammer spring adjuster (with notched stock), heavier hammer spring, lighter valve spring. Any of those would do the trick ;). I did a spring adjuster and a lighter valve spring in mine. I did this to my 367 conversion as well.
Doesn't take much if you use a short Allen head bolt with press on bolt head thumb cap. Anything bigger gets in the way of your hand. I actually made my own from the original tube cap.
(https://i.imgur.com/EapnRd1.jpg)
This gives me good hand clearance while still doing what it is supposed to.
(https://i.imgur.com/T0jTYVs.jpg)
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Very slick Robert! A long Allen head grub screw would clean the installation up a bit. Has anyone tried the C3622 power adjuster to see if it will fit in the 362?
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I picked up a 362 yesterday and plinked a little bit. I confirmed the 8 pump limit. At 800' elevation anything more than 8 definitely retains air. I have a 1377 so I'm familiar with a lot of mods that can be done, but I don't think I'll need anything more than the 8 pumps, as long as the squirrels don't start taking trt. The only things I'd like to add right now is a suppressor and some glass. That should help me keep the baddies away from the chickens.
After reading this I checked my model 362 guns for retained air at ten pumps. I bought three at the local Meijer store after Christmas when they marked them down to $59 as I wanted to convert two into .177 and .25cal. Two of them dump all 10 pumps and one retains a small puff of air at ten pumps. Eight is plenty for the smaller calibers but 10 would be better for .25cal when I get around to converting that one.
And after reading this, I'm wanting to dump all the air out of ten pumps. Would adding a power adjuster do the trick? I figure I'd have to remove some of the stock, but that's fine by me.
Hammer spring adjuster (with notched stock), heavier hammer spring, lighter valve spring. Any of those would do the trick ;). I did a spring adjuster and a lighter valve spring in mine. I did this to my 367 conversion as well.
Doesn't take much if you use a short Allen head bolt with press on bolt head thumb cap. Anything bigger gets in the way of your hand. I actually made my own from the original tube cap.
(https://i.imgur.com/EapnRd1.jpg)
This gives me good hand clearance while still doing what it is supposed to.
(https://i.imgur.com/T0jTYVs.jpg)
I knew there was a diy fix, but I don't trust my skill, nor have the time so I just ordered a pa from Mellon.
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FYI I was ordering parts the other day and asked about the valve. I didn't buy those parts but the rep told me they recently made some changes on the valve so S/N guns after a certain point have a slightly different valve (threading or attachment? not 100% sure on the change.) Kinda dumb that the Chinese parts are now being changed, we saw it on the 2100, the 2240 valve, now the 1322 valve... I mean they could have just easily kept the same specs. Anyways.
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FYI I was ordering parts the other day and asked about the valve. I didn't buy those parts but the rep told me they recently made some changes on the valve so S/N guns after a certain point have a slightly different valve (threading or attachment? not 100% sure on the change.) Kinda dumb that the Chinese parts are now being changed, we saw it on the 2100, the 2240 valve, now the 1322 valve... I mean they could have just easily kept the same specs. Anyways.
How would one find out what that number was? Since I got mine last week I probably have that valve. I could find out easily enough but I don't want to get that far into it right now.
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FYI I was ordering parts the other day and asked about the valve. I didn't buy those parts but the rep told me they recently made some changes on the valve so S/N guns after a certain point have a slightly different valve (threading or attachment? not 100% sure on the change.) Kinda dumb that the Chinese parts are now being changed, we saw it on the 2100, the 2240 valve, now the 1322 valve... I mean they could have just easily kept the same specs. Anyways.
I do not know what serial number or generation it changed with, but I have a 1st run (2021) I bought for my first mod, and another (2023) that I bought for my 367 conversion. The 1st run gun has a valve with a threaded front trigger screw hole for the front trigger frame screw. The 2023 has a groove all the way around the valve front where the threaded hole would be and the pump tube is threaded for the front trigger frame screw. Makes no sense why they would do this other than maybe so you could rotate the valve in its entirety for TP hole alignment without unthreading the valve front slightly like the original valve sometimes requires? My 2023 gun is serial number 090 which would mean that they did this before that.
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I do not know what serial number or generation it changed with, but I have a 1st run (2021) I bought for my first mod, and another (2023) that I bought for my 367 conversion. The 1st run gun has a valve with a threaded front trigger screw hole for the front trigger frame screw. The 2023 has a groove all the way around the valve front where the threaded hole would be and the pump tube is threaded for the front trigger frame screw. Makes no sense why they would do this other than maybe so you could rotate the valve in its entirety for TP hole alignment without unthreading the valve front slightly like the original valve sometimes requires? My 2023 gun is serial number 090 which would mean that they did this before that.
Interesting, that's probably the change, in fact I have some newer 2023 and 2024 models but I never needed to tear them down that far (though I do usually polish the burs off the compression tube cutout.)
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I do usually polish the burs off the compression tube cutout.
I was amazed at the sharp edges there. If valve o-rings and piston cups get sliced up on assembly at the factory, I can see why.