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K.O. · « **Reply #360 on:** November 10, 2021, 05:03:03 PM »

well folks the up to is necessary... could be more clear by stating with what grains at what ambient conditions...and there will be a bit of variance in head space due to manufacturing tolerances...

a little reading to explain... https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=77463.0

But we are not most folks... we want to know all the details...

Well the picture of the linkage(at crosman.com) tells me with a high probability it has a 2100 linkage and swept volume... and so probably has a valve near in size to a 760-13xx...

My 1322 XLT hybrid was over ported with that swept volume and valve size... It was originally a .25 with a 19" Trail XL barrel (~630 fps with 20g FTT)... as a .22 and a 22" cut down Diso barrel...well ~700 fps with CPHP and CPUM at 11 pumps... So yep I have a lot of faith in the numbers being what they are...

Thanks for your participation John/C.E. ..

I keep dreaming of a 15-20 pump pumper... MK 177 Diameter tube with the 4.5" stroke of the 66/664 linkage...with a valve volume of about .24 C.I. ...

can you tell us if the bolt handle is screw in(Disco/Maximus) or pressed in like a 13xx..?

K.O. · « **Reply #361 on:** November 10, 2021, 05:21:17 PM »

I bet the barrels are the new in house barrels also... and if my Maximus barrels are an indication...they are very good(moa ish 35-40 yards) with CPUM and CPHP in both .177 and .22...

avator · « **Reply #362 on:** November 10, 2021, 05:37:32 PM »

Quote from: K.O. on November 10, 2021, 05:03:03 PM

well folks the up to is necessary... could be more clear by stating with what grains at what ambient conditions...and there will be a bit of variance in head space due to manufacturing tolerances...

a little reading to explain... https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=77463.0

But we are not most folks... we want to know all the details...

Well the picture of the linkage(at crosman.com) tells me with a high probability it has a 2100 linkage and swept volume... and so probably has a valve near in size to a 760-13xx...

My 1322 XLT hybrid was over ported with that swept volume and valve size... It was originally a .25 with a 19" Trail XL barrel (~630 fps with 20g FTT)... as a .22 and a 22" cut down Diso barrel...well ~700 fps with CPHP and CPUM at 11 pumps... So yep I have a lot of faith in the numbers being what they are...

Thanks for your participation John/C.E. ..

I keep dreaming of a 15-20 pump pumper... MK 177 Diameter tube with the 4.5" stroke of the 66/664 linkage...with a valve volume of about .24 C.I. ...

can you tell us if the bolt handle is screw in(Disco/Maximus) or pressed in like a 13xx..?

With that 13xx plastic breech, I'm sure it's pressed in.

K.O. · « **Reply #363 on:** November 10, 2021, 05:43:57 PM »

well I maxed out size on picture #5 and it looks more like screw in... But..?

Tack Driver 10 · « **Reply #364 on:** November 10, 2021, 05:51:22 PM »

Doubtful this gun is based on a 2100 pump link.
If this gun makes 700 FPS with 14.3 CPHPs at 10 pumps with a 5/8" ID tube and 5" stroke it is one hot tamale.
That's in the very upper power range of a highly modified 2200.

A 2200 making that kind of power is not going to be easy to pump.
It's supposed to be a youth gun and easy to pump so I'd guess a 6" to 7" stroke is more likely.
The 16" pump arm would provide the leverage needed for easy pumping with the long stroke.

Dimensions shown are approximate.

K.O. · « **Reply #365 on:** November 10, 2021, 06:06:42 PM »

Well here is the thing...the 2100/2200 has a valve that is about .007 ci... the valve volume on this is very likely to be between .01 and .013 like my 1322 XLT... that extra volume is easier to pump than a 2100/2200... pump 10 was like pump 6-7 compared to my 2100b with the old style 2 piece piston installed...

A lot depends on the valve size...

avator · « **Reply #366 on:** November 10, 2021, 06:14:05 PM »

I may be mistaken but i think I read the pump handle itself is longer. That should increase the pumping leverage making it easier.

K.O. · « **Reply #367 on:** November 10, 2021, 06:22:35 PM »

well it looks as tho I am at least a little wrong..

on the piston end there is thinning that is not there on the 2100...and it does look like it may be a touch longer... the handle support looks very much similar/same as a 2100...

a 6" stroke would be harder to pump at pump 10( with more psi/power) than a 5" stroke if valve size is equal...

The fat MK tube is very easy to pump with a 3.5" stroke and long pump handle... easier than the slim 2100 with it's 5" stroke... they both have about the same swept volume...

I just like the MK and it's valve cause it can be hogged out to about twice the valve volume...

Tack Driver 10 · « **Reply #368 on:** November 10, 2021, 06:37:15 PM »

I'm sure the valve volume will be greater than the 2100/2200.
Perhaps member Crosman Engineer could shed some light on the subject?

K.O. · « **Reply #369 on:** November 10, 2021, 07:49:04 PM »

I am hoping to be able to get a decently low serial # just for the sake of it... My U.S. Shooting Team Daisy 953 is #319 of the whole Daisy X53 line...

hope they do the low serial thru their website rather than the retailers... with released for sale at same time...

in the end it does not matter really... I want two..

to start with...

markjs · « **Reply #370 on:** November 10, 2021, 08:17:11 PM »

Obviously I'd have to try it to know, but it looks to me like they've worked hard to maintain the legendary "hand pinching" capabilities of a stock 1322!

If the rest of it is as cool as it looks, I guess it's a way to sell one more Lego part. At that price, still seems a nice gun (assuming I'm correct about my assumption), a bit of care in pumping usually remedies the issue with a 1322, once you learn the hard way anyway.

moose · « **Reply #371 on:** November 13, 2021, 11:47:25 PM »

Quote from: markjs on November 10, 2021, 08:17:11 PM

Obviously I'd have to try it to know, but it looks to me like they've worked hard to maintain the legendary "hand pinching" capabilities of a stock 1322!

I've been using a Golf glove on my pump hand.. only FootJoy, not the cheap walmart gloves !

Rick67 · « **Reply #372 on:** November 13, 2021, 11:50:16 PM »

If I were to buy it I would replace the whole stock with an uninletted Boyd's stock.

Kinda like the Millennium Pumper

point177 · « **Reply #373 on:** November 14, 2021, 01:21:57 PM »

Hope they make one in 0.177 as we are not allowed to own one in 0.22 according to new laws.
Although a 0.177 will still cost me a small fortune to own one.

Manish

Blowpipe Sam · « **Reply #374 on:** November 14, 2021, 07:01:47 PM »

Quote from: point177 on November 14, 2021, 01:21:57 PM

Hope they make one in 0.177 as we are not allowed to own one in 0.22 according to new laws.
Although a 0.177 will still cost me a small fortune to own one.

Manish

Are there any restrictions on how much energy an airgun can make?
I would suspect that converting to .177 would be pretty simple here in the US, but I don’t know how common Crosman parts are in India.

Rick67 · « **Reply #375 on:** November 14, 2021, 07:05:04 PM »

Quote from: point177 on November 14, 2021, 01:21:57 PM

Hope they make one in 0.177 as we are not allowed to own one in 0.22 according to new laws.
Although a 0.177 will still cost me a small fortune to own one.

Manish

I do understand your point.

Imported airguns cost so much in the Philippines as well.

Rick67 · « **Reply #376 on:** November 14, 2021, 07:09:27 PM »

Quote from: Rick67 on November 14, 2021, 07:05:04 PM

Quote from: point177 on November 14, 2021, 01:21:57 PM
Hope they make one in 0.177 as we are not allowed to own one in 0.22 according to new laws.
Although a 0.177 will still cost me a small fortune to own one.

Manish

I do understand your point.

Imported airguns cost so much in the Philippines as well.

I imported two Crosman Custom Shop 2400KT’s a long time ago when I was still in the PI and it cost me close to $400 (Customs’ fee) on top of AIRGUN EXPORTER’s (Vincent) fee

point177 · « **Reply #377 on:** November 15, 2021, 10:00:28 AM »

A firearms license is needed if it makes more than 15ft lbs.

License also needed for any fpe for.22

Manish.

Quote from: Blowpipe Sam on November 14, 2021, 07:01:47 PM

Quote from: point177 on November 14, 2021, 01:21:57 PM
Hope they make one in 0.177 as we are not allowed to own one in 0.22 according to new laws.
Although a 0.177 will still cost me a small fortune to own one.

Manish
Are there any restrictions on how much energy an airgun can make?
I would suspect that converting to .177 would be pretty simple here in the US, but I don’t know how common Crosman parts are in India.

Crosman Engineer · « **Reply #378 on:** November 15, 2021, 10:11:31 AM »

All - It is impressive how much you all figure out just looking at a few pictures. It has a 6" stroke and a 13xx series valve. It runs an aluminum pup rod and I think the same linkage as the 39x family.

It pumps like a 760 but with 15 FPE.

John

Blowpipe Sam · « **Reply #379 on:** November 15, 2021, 10:28:41 AM »

Quote from: point177 on November 15, 2021, 10:00:28 AM

A firearms license is needed if it makes more than 15ft lbs.

License also needed for any fpe for.22

Manish.

Quote from: Blowpipe Sam on November 14, 2021, 07:01:47 PM
Quote from: point177 on November 14, 2021, 01:21:57 PM
Hope they make one in 0.177 as we are not allowed to own one in 0.22 according to new laws.
Although a 0.177 will still cost me a small fortune to own one.

Manish
Are there any restrictions on how much energy an airgun can make?
I would suspect that converting to .177 would be pretty simple here in the US, but I don’t know how common Crosman parts are in India.

15 fpe is much more reasonable than the 12 fpe requirement in England. A 15 fpe .177 would be very useful as a small game or pest control rifle. Hopefully Crosman will realize the appeal of a .177 caliber version on the international market. In the past they have made .22 and .177 caliber versions of several of their guns.

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