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Airguns by Make and Model => Daisy Airguns => Topic started by: ericnel on February 11, 2014, 06:50:34 PM
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Asked this question some time ago. Why no forum for all us Daisy owners? Seem to be a lot of us out their. Many Daisy guns are pretty high quality and the older 880s are easy to modify. They really do make guns other than lever-action BB guns. :-\
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agreed on all counts. There should be a Daisy gate.
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Daisy deserves more respect ! But it might be because daisy doesn't make a tone of new airgun models .
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True - not a lot of new models, but several of the ones they make are true classics. I plan to rebuild my metal receiver 880 and stock it in walnut. Already have a nice chunk of American Walnut that has been in shop for 20 years. Also, I would argue that my 1200 CO2 pistol is as accurate and hits as hard as any CO² pistol ever made. And my first gun was a Red Ryder BB gun that I got in 1948 when I was 8 yes old. Yes, I'm really really an old timer.
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My first pellet rifle was a Daisy Powerline 856. Still have it, still shoot it and will continue to do so - very accurate for such a cheap air gun. Seems that other GTA members enjoy their 856's too, http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=16618.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=16618.0)
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My first pellet rifle was a Daisy Powerline 856. Still have it, still shoot it and will continue to do so - very accurate for such a cheap air gun. Seems that other GTA members enjoy their 856's too, http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=16618.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=16618.0)
yes I enjoy my 856 and my 880. Once I get my model 92 pistol resealed I bet I'll enjoy that as well. My mid 70's Red rider still resides in my gun cabinet
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agreed on all counts. There should be a Daisy gate.
There really should be!
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agreed on all counts. There should be a Daisy gate.
There really should be!
Agreed! I thoroughly enjoy my Daisy Avanti 853.
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i have a 901, love it. its accurate, fast enough, and light.
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The 880 is one accurate little rifle AND easy to pump. I found a metal receiver 880 just this week and snatched it up for $50. It won't pump up so I've got some work to do. But it is like new, even the plastic is nice.
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Daisy air gun gate! Daisy air gun gate! Daisy air gun gate! :D :D
I'm sorry, I got carried away. :P :P
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More for the Daisy Gate. 8) 8)
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I dearly love my 1200 BB pistol. Very accurate up to about 15 yards. Carry it holstered when working in yard to discourage the dozens of stray cats around here. Doesn't do permanent damage, but sure makes em run.
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I have the cheaper of the two single pump Daisy pistols (747/717?). It's a fine shooter. I had bought a new Model 35 about a year ago, as I wanted to have one smooth bore air rifle that I could sometimes shoot BB's in and not have to worry about damaging the rifling. It was actually surprisingly accurate shooting lead pellets at 10 yards, and I did a review here with some target photos. After 11 months it quite building pressure. I returned it and they sent me a warrant Model 35. But this one is just NOT an accurate shooter. Lots of flyers and no consistency. Very disappointing there. It's a cool little rifle and handles nice. Never fired an 880. For an accurate, super reliable, inexpensive and fun shooting multi pump, my Remington Airmaster 77 (same as the Cropsman 2100B with different cosmetics) is a best buy. I would like a Daisy 953 some day.
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I have the cheaper of the two single pump Daisy pistols (747/717?). It's a fine shooter. I had bought a new Model 35 about a year ago, as I wanted to have one smooth bore air rifle that I could sometimes shoot BB's in and not have to worry about damaging the rifling. It was actually surprisingly accurate shooting lead pellets at 10 yards, and I did a review here with some target photos. After 11 months it quite building pressure. I returned it and they sent me a warrant Model 35. But this one is just NOT an accurate shooter. Lots of flyers and no consistency. Very disappointing there. It's a cool little rifle and handles nice. Never fired an 880. For an accurate, super reliable, inexpensive and fun shooting multi pump, my Remington Airmaster 77 (same as the Cropsman 2100B with different cosmetics) is a best buy. I would like a Daisy 953 some day.
I bet you just need to stabilize that straw barrel in the 35. My 880 shot a shotgun pattern grouping before I stabilized the barrel. Now dime groups at 20 yards, slightly smaller than quarter at 30 yards. Off hand shooting. Have not bench shot it as of yet
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Wish folks would make more custom parts for daisy air rifles give the 13xx's a break and start making some Powerline stuff Please! :o
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Wish folks would make more custom parts for daisy air rifles give the 13xx's a break and start making some Powerline stuff Please! :o
I was just thinking that same thought a few minutes ago
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In 1986 I bought a Daisy 856, it has been used ever since and shoots very well. It did get some trigger work but otherwise it has worked just fine for almost 28 years.
Then there is the Daisy 888 CO2 rifle, it is very accurate and uses CO2 slowly. Noise level is low but the trigger is heavier than the 856.
Surely a Daisy Gate is a reasonable thing.
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How long has the Daisy 856 been around? It really is timeless - I feel I should be posting this question in the new Daisy Gate ;)
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+1 on the Daisy Gate!!! after all there is a crosman gate...
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What's involved in stabilizing the barrel in one of these?
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What's involved in stabilizing the barrel in one of these?
Take the sleeve off the barrel. At the very least wrap electrical tape around the end of the barrel where the muzzle is. That is always loose. You want just enough tape for a snug fit. So the barrel always is in the same spot. I took it a step further and made 2 duct tape sleeves that are on 2 point of the barrel and also wrapped the muzzle end. If I get a chance later today I'll take my sleeve off and take a few pictures.
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this thread needs a bump 8)
I took one shot with the 880 today. 25 yards, off hand while standing, starling 20 to 25 feet up the tree. Fell dead like a rock into 2 feet of snow. Love my 880. It is an extension of my left shoulder at this point.
Almost picked up a 35 yesterday. But it was $39 and I could have a 2nd 880 for $4 more. So I passed for now.
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I had a Daisy for my first BB gun when I was about 6 or 7. It was the one that had the big wooden handle under the barrel. Too cock it that handle was pulled back toward the trigger. The barrel would screw out to load. Can't remember the model, but I would love to grab another one!! That thing survived anything I did to it!! Big smiles from GREAT memories shooting horse shoe crabs!!!
Daisy gate please!!
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If we had a Daisy Gate, y'all could see my used Daisy Avanti 853 with which I am pleased.
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Yes please, Daisy gate! ;D
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I have a 953 in a 753 wood stock. It is the same as a 853 it just does not have the LW barrel. It really does not need it. I was shooting small balloons filled with water (about 1.5" in dia) at about 60 feet with the 953. After I broke all the balloons, I started shooting the part of the balloon that was tied to the string. I then started shooting the string. I rationalized the few misses that I had to the wind on a calm day. lol.
I have several 853's and an 853C, a 717, a 990 (the dual air one, pump up or use CO2), 888, Daisy made by Gamo model 126, and a recently purchased 822, and 880 (which both are wood stock metal pump arm and receiver.
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I have a 953 receiver with 853 everything else including the Lothar Walther barrel. As the 953's fast twist barrel shoots very well at the
slower speeds of the 10 meter rifles I am considering getting one and using the Lothar Walther barrel for a 1377/2100/853 project and trying
for a very accurate 800-850 fps pumper.
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Last summer, I was picking up .22 brass at my club in Montana and shooting them off of the target stand at 10M. My 853 amazes me!
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I thought the Daisy 901's were your standard multi pump air rifles. You say they made them to shoot with CO two also?
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I thought the Daisy 901's were your standard multi pump air rifles. You say they made them to shoot with CO two also?
You are probably correct. I have a 990 which is a dual air. I went back and corrected my post. It was around midnight when I made the post. That is my only excuse and I am sticking to it! lol
DT
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Besides their products Daisy also does a good job at promoting the shooting sports to new/young shooters.
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I have the Winchester/Daisy 800x made in Turkey. I've read somewhere it was manufactured by Hatsan. I don't know if that counts as a "Daisy" and should be listed here.The trigger pull is a little strong, but I really like it.
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I have two Daisy 880's and both will hit a 1/4 in target at 10 yards. The older one (about 2 yrs old) is losing compression. I have to pump it 6 times where 3 pumps used to do. Does anyone know who is selling spare parts? I could just buy another, but this one has a very smooth action.
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Appreciate all the input. Hopefully we will get a Daisygate. As pointed out - Daisy does more to recruit and train young people than any other manufacturer. Go Daisy!!!
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I have two Daisy 880's and both will hit a 1/4 in target at 10 yards. The older one (about 2 yrs old) is losing compression. I have to pump it 6 times where 3 pumps used to do. Does anyone know who is selling spare parts? I could just buy another, but this one has a very smooth action.
for spares contact Daisy or check Fleabay. Some sellers there are selling 880 parts.
What are you lubing the compression chamber with? I used to use Pengun in my daisy's but was dissatisfied with the results. Daisy recommends 10 wt to 30 wt ND motor oil. I use 30 weight non detergent from Wal mart. 1 quart, probably a life time supply is $3. This oil seals the chamber up better than Pengun does in a Daisy, AND it is what they recommend.
If you are not using the recommended oil it may just breath new life back in your 880. My 14 year old Powerline 856 still shoots like it did when it was new. And I can not tell you how many rounds my son shot through it over the years.
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Appreciate all the input. Hopefully we will get a Daisygate. As pointed out - Daisy does more to recruit and train young people than any other manufacturer. Go Daisy!!!
yes I think this thread is showing a Daisy Gate would get good traffic and would make asking questions about Daisy products easier for all.
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it absolutely would... they are wonderful little guns, and whats more, have a great history. The x53 class rifles is amazing... i started shooting a 953, then got a 753, then switched for a medalist 888... but the most fun i have had was with the 953 and a little 3-9 scope... i started minisniping with it (see minisniping.org) and have not stopped since... that turned into a fwb300s, and i have had 2 of those to get better at minisniping... I am using .22 rimfire short cases at 35 yards. and occasionally i swap the scope for a 6-24 and put the .45 brass at 50... that is mental. But it all started with the 953. Now i have also developed a penchant for the 880 series, of which i have 3 and are great shooters... i also found a 22sg... best plinker out there.
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Speaking of Daisy 880's, I received an e-mail from Walmart.com stating that they had the scoped 880 back in stock for $40. :D
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Speaking of Daisy 880's, I received an e-mail from Walmart.com stating that they had the scoped 880 back in stock for $40. :D
yup. They are currently $43 at my local Wally World.
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I suspect many people don't take the 880 and other Daisy's seriously, because they're so inexpensive, are very light and have plastic stocks. Some of the advantages of the 880 from my own experience are:
They're inexpensive
They're amazingly accurate to 25 yards and beyond.
Powerful - 650 fps with lead pellets at 10 pumps
Very easy to pump with that long lever - easier than any other multipump.
They can shoot light weight lead-free alloy pellets with no harm to the mechanism
They have no recoil making it easy to shoot on target.
Shoot well with a variety of pellets
Have variable power, so they can be used for both outdoors and in the house during the winter.
Relatively quiet
Require hardly any maintenance. A drop or two of motor oil (30 weight non-detergent) and they are ready to go again.
They are light weight so people of any age or stature can use them.
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I suspect many people don't take the 880 and other Daisy's seriously, because they're so inexpensive, are very light and have plastic stocks. Some of the advantages of the 880 from my own experience are:
They're inexpensive
They're amazingly accurate to 25 yards and beyond.
Powerful - 650 fps with lead pellets at 10 pumps
Very easy to pump with that long lever - easier than any other multipump.
They can shoot light weight lead-free alloy pellets with no harm to the mechanism
They have no recoil making it easy to shoot on target.
Shoot well with a variety of pellets
Have variable power, so they can be used for both outdoors and in the house during the winter.
Relatively quiet
Require hardly any maintenance. A drop or two of motor oil (30 weight non-detergent) and they are ready to go again.
They are light weight so people of any age or stature can use them.
well said!
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I suspect many people don't take the 880 and other Daisy's seriously, because they're so inexpensive, are very light and have plastic stocks. Some of the advantages of the 880 from my own experience are:
They're inexpensive
They're amazingly accurate to 25 yards and beyond.
Powerful - 650 fps with lead pellets at 10 pumps
Very easy to pump with that long lever - easier than any other multipump.
They can shoot light weight lead-free alloy pellets with no harm to the mechanism
They have no recoil making it easy to shoot on target.
Shoot well with a variety of pellets
Have variable power, so they can be used for both outdoors and in the house during the winter.
Relatively quiet
Require hardly any maintenance. A drop or two of motor oil (30 weight non-detergent) and they are ready to go again.
They are light weight so people of any age or stature can use them.
well said!
I personalty would not recommend the new 880. I received one from my oldest son Christmas 2012. Tried to sight it in with the open sights and could not. I put the so called scope that came with it on and what a joke. I shot it over the Chrony and was lucky to get 350 fps with older Daisy pellets and new Daisy BB's. I called Daisy about the fps and the lady said to send it back and they would take a look at it. She would not give me a return shipping label. I told her that I was not going to spend $20 or more to send back a $40gun. I have since put a 3x9AO Hammers scope on it and it shoots real well. I still would not recommend it to any one. Buy a Daisy 953, throw the stock rear sight in the trash and put a red dot or a good scope one and you will be a happy camper. IMO ;)
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mudduck... if all your gun needed was a scope is not fair to blast it like that... like you said, 40 bucks gets you into a chinese made 880, but with a little tlc and care while in use thay can be quite satisfying. I for one think of them very handsome and practical. i sit about 8 yards from my wood pile and with 3 pumps in it and average weight wadcutters i can headshot chipmunks with the open sights... at 8 and a small scope (bug buster 6x) i can clean the inside of a large warehouse from pigeons and feral pest birds in about an hour or two. And with heavy pellets and 10 pumps i have dropped a rabbit with the 6x scope at 37 yards. as you said... is cheap, but very good platform to start a shooting career. And if you ever get the inkling to get an amazing shooter find a 22sg... Best walk around the woods rifle available... (save maybe a HW30s in .22). follow the mods available and you'll be rewarded with a light, easy to shoot and neighborhood friendly pellet gun. Oh yeah... dont shoot BBs through it...
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They advertized it at 650 fps, I was lucky to get 350 fps. That and the stock rear sight and the so called scope they give you are the main reasons I would not recommend this gun. And the 3x9 scope? It is going to go on my 953.
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I'm sorry, I was just disappointed with this thing after having the Daisy 880 phase I. I shot the poop out of my original Daisy. Look at the picture, right above the Tommy on the right. Look closely at the forearm, NO diamond. So after having this rifle, I think that I can "bash" the new ones. :P
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They advertized it at 650 fps, I was lucky to get 350 fps. That and the stock rear sight and the so called scope they give you are the main reasons I would not recommend this gun. And the 3x9 scope? It is going to go on my 953.
completely unfair to bash a model gun over 1 bad experience. It's like bashing EVERY McDonalds over 1 bad french fry.
I personally HIGHLY recommend the 880. For $40 you get way more gun than you pay for. Yours was a bad one. In manufactuing it happens. There are always defects in the manufacturing process. Very unfair post. Very unfair.
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I'm sorry, I was just disappointed with this thing after having the Daisy 880 phase I. I shot the poop out of my original Daisy. Look at the picture, right above the Tommy on the right. Look closely at the forearm, NO diamond. So after having this rifle, I think that I can "bash" the new ones. :P
my 2 month old 880 shoots dime size groups at 20 yards offhand. It kills whatever I aim it at. I have it sighted in dead on at 15 yards. At 10 to 30 yards it stays in a 1 inch circle.Showing me the FPS are where they should be. Again, bashing an entire line over 1 bad gun is just not fair at all. Simply not a fair assessment
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They advertized it at 650 fps, I was lucky to get 350 fps. That and the stock rear sight and the so called scope they give you are the main reasons I would not recommend this gun. And the 3x9 scope? It is going to go on my 953.
completely unfair to bash a model gun over 1 bad experience. It's like bashing EVERY McDonalds over 1 bad french fry.
I personally HIGHLY recommend the 880. For $40 you get way more gun than you pay for. Yours was a bad one. In manufactuing it happens. There are always defects in the manufacturing process. Very unfair post. Very unfair.
Read post #45 right above you post.
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They advertized it at 650 fps, I was lucky to get 350 fps. That and the stock rear sight and the so called scope they give you are the main reasons I would not recommend this gun. And the 3x9 scope? It is going to go on my 953.
completely unfair to bash a model gun over 1 bad experience. It's like bashing EVERY McDonalds over 1 bad french fry.
I personally HIGHLY recommend the 880. For $40 you get way more gun than you pay for. Yours was a bad one. In manufactuing it happens. There are always defects in the manufacturing process. Very unfair post. Very unfair.
Read post #45 right above you post.
I did. Still you are saying you will not recommend the 880 because you got a bad one. And sure it isn't an old 880 with wood and metal. But then again weren't those $40 30 years ago? Today it would be a $150 gun.
sorry you had a bad experience. And of course you reserve the right to never buy another 880. But I'll tell you and most everyone else will too your FPS are NOT normal from an 880.
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In hind sight, I should have had my son take it back to his Walmart in Anaheim and get his money back or a different gun. But, I did not. So, someone tell me how to open this thing up and fix it. This is why we need a Daisy Gate. I can teach you how to referb the Crosman pumper pistols, but, I just do not know about the rifles.
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The 880 would be much better with a wood stock and a metal reviver ( at least aluminum though I would prefer steel ) Perhaps the fellas from the machine shop/wood working gates could help ? ??? $30 odd bucks for a new metal receiver seams reasonable i figure some one with a CNC machine could mill one out in no time or a private company could stamp them out like ak-47 parts. If i had the proper tools I figure a boyd's blaster stock could be converted to be used as a one piece style stock ( theirs a pic on line that some one did a real nice one from scratch). Boy I'll tell ya some one could make a pretty penny on the cheap 880! ;)
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In hind sight, I should have had my son take it back to his Walmart in Anaheim and get his money back or a different gun. But, I did not. So, someone tell me how to open this thing up and fix it. This is why we need a Daisy Gate. I can teach you how to referb the Crosman pumper pistols, but, I just do not know about the rifles.
agreed we do need a Daisy gate.
See if this link helps you any.
http://forum.daisymuseum.com/daisy-880-compendium-repair-experiences_topic3519_page1.html (http://forum.daisymuseum.com/daisy-880-compendium-repair-experiences_topic3519_page1.html)
or this one
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=48459.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=48459.0)
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Look the 880 is ok but for 10$ more I would choose the 2100b every time...
Neither one is near as good as the older versions and neither come in .22 any more...
With a bit of tuning they both do ok stock.
The 2100 with some work can really shine though and still has a metal receiver and I feel it is more durable.
With mods the 2100 does much much better and the Daisy well they just do not mod well.
with a bit of creativity and help I have the 2100 power plant pushing a 20.1g .25 pellet at about 17.4 fpe and think I can get it closer to 20
fpe. This is using a combination of 760 2100 and 13xx parts.
I had a lot of fun with Daisy pumpers when young but even stock I went with Crosman and Benji for hunting they have more pump effort but
also more power.
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Look the 880 is ok but for 10$ more I would choose the 2100b every time...
Neither one is near as good as the older versions and neither come in .22 any more...
With a bit of tuning they both do ok stock.
The 2100 with some work can really shine though and still has a metal receiver and I feel it is more durable.
With mods the 2100 does much much better and the Daisy well they just do not mod well.
with a bit of creativity and help I have the 2100 power plant pushing a 20.1g .25 pellet at about 17.4 fpe and think I can get it closer to 20
fpe. This is using a combination of 760 2100 and 13xx parts.
I had a lot of fun with Daisy pumpers when young but even stock I went with Crosman and Benji for hunting they have more pump effort but
also more power.
AG choice is all about personal preference.
But back on topic.... asking the mods for a Daisy gate. Many many of us have them in our sigs. And Daisy IS at the forefront in getting the youth of America into guns. There should be a Daisy gate for that reason alone.
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In hind sight, I should have had my son take it back to his Walmart in Anaheim and get his money back or a different gun. But, I did not. So, someone tell me how to open this thing up and fix it. This is why we need a Daisy Gate. I can teach you how to referb the Crosman pumper pistols, but, I just do not know about the rifles.
agreed we do need a Daisy gate.
See if this link helps you any.
http://forum.daisymuseum.com/daisy-880-compendium-repair-experiences_topic3519_page1.html (http://forum.daisymuseum.com/daisy-880-compendium-repair-experiences_topic3519_page1.html)
or this one
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=48459.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=48459.0)
stonykill, Thanks for the links. I looked at them both. The Daisy talk showed the exhaust valve and guess what? That is the same valve that was in the early Daisy 717 722 747 and the 777. I just repaired my 722, got my parts from Daisy. But, the old style nylon end on the exhaust valve is kinda cone shaped. The replacement one Daisy sells is round. I had to take fine lapping compound and use the new valve to lap the seat in to get to seal. I'm working on a Crosman 1300 right now, waiting for parts. Then I just might dig my old 880 out and try to get to work again. I also have a Daisy 922 I would like to get working again. Thanks for the help. QUACK,QUACK!!
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In hind sight, I should have had my son take it back to his Walmart in Anaheim and get his money back or a different gun. But, I did not. So, someone tell me how to open this thing up and fix it. This is why we need a Daisy Gate. I can teach you how to referb the Crosman pumper pistols, but, I just do not know about the rifles.
agreed we do need a Daisy gate.
See if this link helps you any.
http://forum.daisymuseum.com/daisy-880-compendium-repair-experiences_topic3519_page1.html (http://forum.daisymuseum.com/daisy-880-compendium-repair-experiences_topic3519_page1.html)
or this one
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=48459.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=48459.0)
stonykill, Thanks for the links. I looked at them both. The Daisy talk showed the exhaust valve and guess what? That is the same valve that was in the early Daisy 717 722 747 and the 777. I just repaired my 722, got my parts from Daisy. But, the old style nylon end on the exhaust valve is kinda cone shaped. The replacement one Daisy sells is round. I had to take fine lapping compound and use the new valve to lap the seat in to get to seal. I'm working on a Crosman 1300 right now, waiting for parts. Then I just might dig my old 880 out and try to get to work again. I also have a Daisy 922 I would like to get working again. Thanks for the help. QUACK,QUACK!!
Glad I was able to help. I have an old Daisy model 92 pistol I need to dig into one of these days.
On a separate thought that was brought up earlier. This summer I may just make some wood stocks for the lower priced Daisy's in my wood shop. At least for mine. I don't really know there is a market for a wood stock and fore stock(s) costing more than the gun does.
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You never know until you try. I showed my neighbor my 953, he liked it, but said he would prefer a wood stock. I showed him the 853 in the PA catalog and said, yea like that. Look at the mods on the Crosman pumpers and CO2 guns. They start out with a $50 gun and spend more than that just on a pair of wood grips. 8)
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You never know until you try. I showed my neighbor my 953, he liked it, but said he would prefer a wood stock. I showed him the 853 in the PA catalog and said, yea like that. Look at the mods on the Crosman pumpers and CO2 guns. They start out with a $50 gun and spend more than that just on a pair of wood grips. 8)
that is very true.
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It's always frustrating when you get an imperfect production model. It can happen with any gun, even an expensive one. However Mudduck's experience with that Daisy points up another issue. My first Daisy was wonderful in all respects. The second one just two years later was not so perfect. Parts are not aligned so well. I had to adjust the rear sight totally over to the one side. The action is not as smooth either. It still shoots beautifully, but this all suggests that Daisy may not be paying enough attention to quality control. With such high volume sales, they may be taking the market for granted. It would be a shame if they threw away a winning hand.
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Since we are still on the "new" 880, could we see some Chrony results?
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For a multi pump air rifle I would go with the Crosman 2100B any time, judging by my experience with my, now defunct, Remington Airmaster 77. If my Remington croaked today, I would order a 2100B today.
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I have 2 917 powerlines very nice shoot straight, shoot in the 650 fps with 7 to 8 gr. pellets not to pickey on pellets but both seem better with rws mstr klugn, they are a pleasure to shoot.
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Since we are still on the "new" 880, could we see some Chrony results?
not mine. From Nervoustrigger. On this forum.
(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/stonykill/880chrony_zpsb84ba133.gif)
and here is the link to his thread. His 880 took more work than mine to get into a really nice $45 shooter
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/stonykill/880chrony_zpsb84ba133.gif (http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/stonykill/880chrony_zpsb84ba133.gif)
and in full discloser here is the link to my 880 and getting it to shoot great. In the end it just needed the barrel stablized and 30 weight non detergent oil to fix it right up.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=59713.msg572205;topicseen#msg572205 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=59713.msg572205;topicseen#msg572205)
no numbers as I do not have a chrony.
Before the last few months I had not purchased an AG in almost 14 years. In 2000 I got a 760 and a Daisy powerline 856. Still have both with thousands of shots through them. Never had to do anything to them when new except site them in and oil them when I thought of it. Then about 4 months ago I started buying AG's again. All in the sub $100 range. And I will say in all honesty EVERY single one was NOT the quality of the 14 year old guns. Except for my P17. Stellar weapon out of the $39 blister pack. The Gamo's had terrible scopes. Which I expected. The 13xx's, both of them have wiggly barrels, low quality plastic, WIDE rough forging lines on the castings and the sights run out of adjustment. The 880 link is above.
Point being if you spend less than $100 on an AG you better like to tinker to get a great shooter. Or get REALLY lucky like I did with the Beeman P17.
Brand does not matter in the sub $100 Ag's. DO NOT expect the guns of our childhood (ok mine) of 40 years ago. I remember then we all thought pot metal was terrible.Pot metal was a sign of cheaply made and low qualityin the 70's. Now we RAVE that it is still used on the 2100.
Moral???? Don't expect a $40 AG to have the same QC as a $500 AG. Don't expect the same $45 AG to shoot like a $250 AG. Not gonna happen unless you get really lucky.
Mods....we need a Daisy gate ;D
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In one of those threads I saw this comment: "The small loop to pump from likes to wear skin off of my fingers."
What I did was wrap the pump handle with a piece of leather (soft side up) and glued it with a bit of white hobby paste. Now it's soft to the hand and working the lever is no problem.
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In one of those threads I saw this comment: "The small loop to pump from likes to wear skin off of my fingers."
What I did was wrap the pump handle with a piece of leather (soft side up) and glued it with a bit of white hobby paste. Now it's soft to the hand and working the lever is no problem.
nice fix!
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as per comparing the 2100 to the 880... not quite a 10 dollar difference. The 880 is really 40 bucks, while a new 2100b will set you back 70 bucks. Now compare it to a 760... and the 760 comes out looking like a looser. Again, look at it for what it is. The only crosman that i can say is more like a 880 is the now defunct powermaster 66. I love that gun, but to be honest my 880 will out shoot it every time. The 2100 is bigger, heavier, and right now people are having issues with those too. a little TLC can sort all those guns (but no amount of TLC will make a 760 grow rifling...lol). My 880 i bought for 75 bucks. BNIB 20 year anniversary, with metal receiver and handle... plus it came with a complete parts gun, that only needs the felt ring on the pump to be fully functional. It has been tuned and it shoots very nice. I sold my 766 (2100) and bought 2 powermasters 66 and made one rifle out of two. I use the black stocks and blued shroud with the single shot receiver (never liked those 5 pellet clips...). did a trigger filing and pump adjustment and now it shoots very well. Both are very accurate but the 880 outshines it... the cool thing about the powermaster is that is lighter and comes to the shoulder much nicer, as it has the 760 ergonomics with the 2100 shroud and barrel... if you have never shot a 66 try it... it will make you divorce the 2100...
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as per comparing the 2100 to the 880... not quite a 10 dollar difference. The 880 is really 40 bucks, while a new 2100b will set you back 70 bucks. Now compare it to a 760... and the 760 comes out looking like a looser. Again, look at it for what it is. The only crosman that i can say is more like a 880 is the now defunct powermaster 66. I love that gun, but to be honest my 880 will out shoot it every time. The 2100 is bigger, heavier, and right now people are having issues with those too. a little TLC can sort all those guns (but no amount of TLC will make a 760 grow rifling...lol). My 880 i bought for 75 bucks. BNIB 20 year anniversary, with metal receiver and handle... plus it came with a complete parts gun, that only needs the felt ring on the pump to be fully functional. It has been tuned and it shoots very nice. I sold my 766 (2100) and bought 2 powermasters 66 and made one rifle out of two. I use the black stocks and blued shroud with the single shot receiver (never liked those 5 pellet clips...). did a trigger filing and pump adjustment and now it shoots very well. Both are very accurate but the 880 outshines it... the cool thing about the powermaster is that is lighter and comes to the shoulder much nicer, as it has the 760 ergonomics with the 2100 shroud and barrel... if you have never shot a 66 try it... it will make you divorce the 2100...
I am 6'3" and 250lbs and at just past 50 just a touch(20-25lbs) of chub so for ergonomics well the 2100 is just right for me...
The 760 is not in the 880s class its apple to oranges same with the 66 (a few did have rifled barrels though IIRC). I would have kept the 766 they had a metal piston...
as far as the 2100 price just about three months ago I got one from Wal-Mart on sale for 50$ but right now they are 59$. As soon as it was
delivered the 1322 went on sale for 40$ so I returned it to get the 1322 I did not even open the box...
I am not putting the 880 down it to me is great for a kids first half serious air rifle and with effort pretty good and maybe a better choice for
smaller folk(youngsters and such)...
but for me when I am putting my cash down I say why can't they build a 13xx carbine with a 2100 tube... ;)
If I were to run across a good deal on a 880, 922, SG and a few other Daisys believe me I would get them, my nose is not in the air...
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K.O.: The comparison between the 880 and the 760 is actually based on price... we all know that for 40 bucks you are getting ripped off at crosman when you could pick up a 880, so that is the comparo... as per 2100b at 60 bucks... well that is still 50% more than the 880 for not 50% more rifle. The powermaster 66 has always had a rifled barrel, check it out if you want... as it is the middle child between the 2100 and the 760. The 766 stayed... is called the 2100B... As per finding 2100b cheaper than 60 bucks... call me and let me know where... ill spend 50 bucks on a 2100 instead of a 880 at 40.00. But not 20 more, or 30 for that matter (as of today at academy sports.)
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Ok guy relax try not to use inflammatory put downs like rip-off., instead just say you do not think it is worth the 34 dollars it went for here and by your math that is close to 60% the price for 3/4 the gun ;)
On the rifled bit I have concentration probs and actually meant the 760 there where a few made with rifled barrels...
The 66 is now the 664GT Powermaster and behold the price ****$45**** and honestly I am curious about its power plant and such.
I know it is hard to believe but I have never shot a 66 so can not say much.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-664gt-powermaster-air-rifle-kit?m=2011#Reviews (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-664gt-powermaster-air-rifle-kit?m=2011#Reviews)
I will not spend 60 on a 2100 nor will I spend 40 on a 880 they just are not made very well now days at 50 and 35 well maybe...
I got my 2100 for 30$ lightly used...
The 2100 power plant is 200-300% more than 880 power plant to me though because of what I can do with it.
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Asked this question some time ago. Why no forum for all us Daisy owners? Seem to be a lot of us out their. Many Daisy guns are pretty high quality and the older 880s are easy to modify. They really do make guns other than lever-action BB guns. :-\
a little reminder as to what the thread is about. Why no Daisy Gate? Somehow this turned into something else
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Camparing airguns is just natural, but back to Daisy being so easy to pump, absurdly accurate, powerful and economical to operate. I'd like to hear/ see how others have replaced valves or otherwise fixed or modified the Daisy. I haven't taken one of these apart yet and would love know more. By the way, I was trying different alloy pellets and happened on the Daisy LEAD FREE one's they sell on the Daisy website. Often Daisy ammo is substandard, but these shoot very well in the Daisy 880. Dead on accurate.
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DAISY GATE PLEASE. :D :D :D
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By the way, I was trying different alloy pellets and happened on the Daisy LEAD FREE one's they sell on the Daisy website. Often Daisy ammo is substandard, but these shoot very well in the Daisy 880. Dead on accurate.
that is interesting.
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DAISY GATE PLEASE. :D :D :D
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i am sorry if i offended anyone , including you KO... what i meant by rip off is that for that price you shoud be getting a better gun that what you are getting on a 760. this year it was redone so lets see what improvements are made... (still no rifled barrel)... As per the 66, find one. it is half a 760 and half a 2100... as per not being worth it 40 dollars, the 880, i would disagree. if you have ever opened one up you'll be pretty impressed at the amount of power that such a small valve can put out... and the fact that it comes with a dodecahidrally rifled barrel that will shoot both pellets and BBs with no damage at all to the barrel. and crosman still gives you smoothbores... As per the 766/2100 being more modifiable... to an extent. I had a 766 that shot crosman ultra mags (10.5 gr) at 762 fps on 15 pumps. But the gun needed resealing often... and after 8 pumps you were straining to pump again... the daisy in the other hand has a pump that does not get any harder the higher you pump. And also it seems to be a lot quieter than any of the crosmans... I just believe to give credit, where credit is due. The 880 has long lived under the shadow of the 2100... maybe of a benji or a sheridan, but knowing what i know now of air rifles, pumpers, and such and having resealed thousands of this guns while as a gunsmith at Cobra airgun, i can tell you that it is a better rifle than most people believe... another great kept secret... the daisy powerline 901... yes... lets have a daisy gate!!!
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I love this thread . . . (goes to get popcorn) . . . keep it going guys and we just may get Daisy Gate. I'm seriously considering a Powerline 901 for free with my Amazon points :o
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......and the fact that it comes with a dodecahidrally rifled barrel that will shoot both pellets and BBs with no damage at all to the barrel. and crosman still gives you smoothbores...
dodecahidrally????? Huh!!
DT
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12 sided rifling... consist of 12 lands... dodecahidral... if spelled correctly...lol
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Pump effort shmumph effort me MONGO thumps chest...
Just to prove I am not an anti Daisy snob here is my favorite sniper/plinker SSP. (side rested or prone I can actually Drive tacks with it)...
It is a bit beat, my friend had it in a cargo box with concrete tools before he gave it to me. He picked it up non working at a yard sale for $25.
I do have the peep sights but am playing at 30 yard sniper with it right now.
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absolutely love it!!! did you ever check out minisniping.org??? so addicting...
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i am sorry if i offended anyone , including you KO... what i meant by rip off is that for that price you shoud be getting a better gun that what you are getting on a 760. this year it was redone so lets see what improvements are made... (still no rifled barrel)... As per the 66, find one. it is half a 760 and half a 2100... as per not being worth it 40 dollars, the 880, i would disagree. if you have ever opened one up you'll be pretty impressed at the amount of power that such a small valve can put out... and the fact that it comes with a dodecahidrally rifled barrel that will shoot both pellets and BBs with no damage at all to the barrel. and crosman still gives you smoothbores... As per the 766/2100 being more modifiable... to an extent. I had a 766 that shot crosman ultra mags (10.5 gr) at 762 fps on 15 pumps. But the gun needed resealing often... and after 8 pumps you were straining to pump again... the daisy in the other hand has a pump that does not get any harder the higher you pump. And also it seems to be a lot quieter than any of the crosmans... I just believe to give credit, where credit is due. The 880 has long lived under the shadow of the 2100... maybe of a benji or a sheridan, but knowing what i know now of air rifles, pumpers, and such and having resealed thousands of this guns while as a gunsmith at Cobra airgun, i can tell you that it is a better rifle than most people believe... another great kept secret... the daisy powerline 901... yes... lets have a daisy gate!!!
yes the 901 is on my short list to purchase.
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I checked out the mini sniping org site and its about what me and my kids did, still have the Red Ryder, Buck ,and 760 that we had the
Miracle shot competitions with...
Ritz and animal crackers at 80" with a ton of hold over uber cheap fun thousands of bbs went thru those guns and they still work...
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Bump . . . . for Daisy Gate :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :P :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :P
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Re: Daisy 880
I work at home and sit at my desk all day. When I need a break I can go to the basement and shoot from 35 feet, or just swivel my chair and shoot the length of my office (15 feet) into a ductseal target. How convenient variable power is!!
I also have a Stoeger X-5, which is another nice rifle. The Daisy is more powerful though.
Wish list for Daisy:
A rear sight with click adjustment. It's difficult to make refined adjustments to the rear sight to match the barrel's accuracy.
A wood stock and forearm
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the wood stock andforearm will hjave to be sorted from a 177x rifle (parts gun), or a 22sg parts gun. Maybe call daisy and they might still have it. As per the rear sight i would recommend the rear sight from the avanti 835 rifle... it will cost you about 2 times what a 880 costs but it is a precision sight... or you might as well order a 853... I think you will be ecstatic.
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I am not a Moderator and am FAR from being a forum owner. With that being said, I can appreciate any and all decisions that have led up to this point. However, as an owner of a type 1 880, a vintage 922 and a current 880, I would certainly appreciate a "Gate" that is dedicated to Daisy owners and enthusiasts.
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I am not a Moderator and am FAR from being a forum owner. With that being said, I can appreciate any and all decisions that have led up to this point. However, as an owner of a type 1 880, a vintage 922 and a current 880, I would certainly appreciate a "Gate" that is dedicated to Daisy owners and enthusiasts.
Well said. HERE,HERE! :D :D
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Let's face it; how many of us had our first shooting experience with a Red Ryder, 880, 922 or whatever... Many of us first learned to shoot with Daisy AG's. We may have moved on to rimfires and eventually centerfires...
But how many of us have returned to the airgun shooting sports after re-discovering and dusting off our old Daisy's we once proudly carried around the neighborhood? Many of us owe our shooting backgrounds to Daisy. I am proud to say I am here as a product of Daisy AG's. I would be proud to to represent and flaunt Daisy on GTA. If there is a shortage of moderators I would proudly throw my hat into the ring to launch and moderate a Daisy Gate.
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Once again, bump for a very entertaining and enlightening Daisy Gate !!!!!!!
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demanding a daisy gate.
the other guys at the daisy museum would rather collect and ignore than to shoot their guns. there should be a place for the daisy enthusiast as opposed to the collector. the collector would rather have a gun with 0 shots through it (new-in-box). i would rather have a gun loved and used often (without wear, maintained often), and similarly minded fellows who wish to dig deeper into the 880/etc..
please mr. moderator? I'll do what ever you want.....
just, "DAISY GATE" yourself already.........
i promise to post on day 1. i bet about 14 others would too. (come on, each of you shot the ol' daisy 95, or 25, or 1938, or 880, or 822 or 201 or whatever, give tribute...)
please mr mod, give the poor the tired masses a gate to get into airguns in an affordable way, just like you, in jr.-high....
gracious-thanks,
rob
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What are the steps to getting a "gate" established. Based on the response to my original question, there seems to be a lot of interest. The only functioning Daisy forum seems to be only for collectors. I have both Crosman and Daisy guns and love em both, but it seems like Daisy's are poor stepchildren of the airgun world and that is flatout undeserved.
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What are the steps to getting a "gate" established. Based on the response to my original question, there seems to be a lot of interest. The only functioning Daisy forum seems to be only for collectors. I have both Crosman and Daisy guns and love em both, but it seems like Daisy's are poor stepchildren of the airgun world and that is flatout undeserved.
agreed and I wish I knew the answer. I have been hoping with how busy this thread is a mod or 2 would have joined in the conversation. Maybe sending a link to this thread to an admin? Not sure.
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I shot thousands of pellets through a Crosman Benjamin 397 that I used to have, it never could equal my Daisy 856.
Now days I'm shooting a Daisy 888, CO2 rifle and it is very accurate and is easy to use...other than loading pellets.
A Daisy Gate would be a fine addition to GTA and the airgun community.
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I think for now if there were threads by those that have fixed up Daisys and how they source the parts it would help...
Any links of such in this thread would be pretty cool (I know I would love to see them) and help keep this thread alive as a form of lobbying
the mods and owners which is what the membership can do until they either say yes or say sorry but at this time we are unable to do so.
I have never considered Daisy to be the poor stepchild of air guns I go by my experiences with each model heck they excel at the club level with the Avanti and x53 line
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Look at the company they keep at that level and at different affordability levels 8)!...
http://www.airgunclub.org/club-tests---rifles.html (http://www.airgunclub.org/club-tests---rifles.html)
Well any ways here is a link I found about fixing a 922 which by the way shows a performance mod/workaround for a part I did not know about...
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=9718.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=9718.0)
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That was an interesting link (http://www.airgunclub.org/club-tests---rifles.html (http://www.airgunclub.org/club-tests---rifles.html)). Daisys really do keep good company LOL.
Today it was finally warm enough to shoot outside. I took the 880 and my Stoeger out for a 25 yard shoot today. I have little cat food cans hanging from strings inside a cardboard box. That makes it easy to tell when there's a hit. With the Stoeger I hit 7 out of 10 shots. With the Daisy it was 9 out of 10. The odd thing is that the Daisy was zeroed for 10 yards, but it worked fine at 25 yards. Later I shot steel soup cans with my older Daisy that doesn't start to get compression until the 5th pump. It still was able to pierce the cans. I was using H & N Field Target Trophy Power pellets 8.8 gr. These are copper plated and 20% harder than lead.
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Have my old metal rcvr 880 torn down. It was a rust bucket when I got it at a farm auction. Planning on barrel replacement, shroud and walnut stock. I love the older guns. My 1200 is still my favorite. Won't sell it cause I don't know where I'd get another one.
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The reason posters have drifted off topic here is there is no other place to have a discussion on Daisy's. I will say that I doubt the Daisy Crosman debate will ever be decided. Let's just concentrate on our Daisy's and let the Crosman folk concentrate on theirs. I have both but would stick with my Daisy's if I could only have one or the other. Exception - I'm not giving up my modified 1377.
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Re: Planning on barrel replacement, shroud and walnut stock
Sounds great. I wish I had the knowledge to do that. Would love to see pics when it's done.
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Oh wow, look at the time :o - time for a Daisy Gate bumpity bump bump :P
Put some lead through the Powerline 856 tonight - still can't believe how accurate it is.
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In hind sight, I should have had my son take it back to his Walmart in Anaheim and get his money back or a different gun. But, I did not. So, someone tell me how to open this thing up and fix it. This is why we need a Daisy Gate. I can teach you how to referb the Crosman pumper pistols, but, I just do not know about the rifles.
They said the same thing about river 10\22s,mosin nagants,and 1377's just saying
agreed we do need a Daisy gate.
See if this link helps you any.
http://forum.daisymuseum.com/daisy-880-compendium-repair-experiences_topic3519_page1.html (http://forum.daisymuseum.com/daisy-880-compendium-repair-experiences_topic3519_page1.html)
or this one
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=48459.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=48459.0)
stonykill, Thanks for the links. I looked at them both. The Daisy talk showed the exhaust valve and guess what? That is the same valve that was in the early Daisy 717 722 747 and the 777. I just repaired my 722, got my parts from Daisy. But, the old style nylon end on the exhaust valve is kinda cone shaped. The replacement one Daisy sells is round. I had to take fine lapping compound and use the new valve to lap the seat in to get to seal. I'm working on a Crosman 1300 right now, waiting for parts. Then I just might dig my old 880 out and try to get to work again. I also have a Daisy 922 I would like to get working again. Thanks for the help. QUACK,QUACK!!
Glad I was able to help. I have an old Daisy model 92 pistol I need to dig into one of these days.
On a separate thought that was brought up earlier. This summer I may just make some wood stocks for the lower priced Daisy's in my wood shop. At least for mine. I don't really know there is a market for a wood stock and fore stock(s) costing more than the gun does.
Pretty sure the said the same about upgrading Ruger 10/22's, Mosin Nagants,and 13xx's ..just saying could start a new fad.
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Oh wow, look at the time :o - time for a Daisy Gate bumpity bump bump :P
Put some lead through the Powerline 856 tonight - still can't believe how accurate it is.
my 856 as well. Is yours the pellet only like mine? Certainly makes it simple to load.
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Oh wow, look at the time :o - time for a Daisy Gate bumpity bump bump :P
Put some lead through the Powerline 856 tonight - still can't believe how accurate it is.
my 856 as well. Is yours the pellet only like mine? Certainly makes it simple to load.
Hey Tom, it's the dual ammo model. I have let my 10 year old shoot BB's with it but I'm thinking of keeping it a pellet only gun due to it's high level of accuracy. I bought it new in the box on "Clearance" at Walmart for a paltry 15 dollars. I can post a pic to prove it as I save all original packaging for my air guns ;D
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Bumpity bump time. Threads are getting buried and many threads are being moved!!
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Here is my Daisy 1200 - old, but mint condition. FUN ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I love that 1200!!!! is the coolest looking BB pistol ever... I dont know how long are the mods going to ignore this thread, but eventually is going to get so long as to slow down the internet... Maybe we should throw the word Daisy at the end of every post we make no matter what the gate is from... like this:
I just got my B2500 from Soaring Drake Pressurised weapons.... it shoots great! Daisy.
what do you think? Daisy.
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Well, why worry about it? "They" are in to PCP guns. We have a Daisy post going now, so LET'S keep it going. I have 3 of the Daisy 1200 pistols. 2 new in the box and one I have to rebuild. Daisy was good, Daisy is good. 8) 8)
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very much so... went to my local gun shop... 2 old metal receiver/metal handle 880 for sale... 35 a piece... pretty soon i am going to have to get a gun case for them... Daisy.
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Bump. I love my Daisy Avanti 853 to 753 convert. Trigger mod, custom adjustable buttpad, sight risers, refinished stock. Just for backyard 10m.
JMJ
(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd418/JMJinNC/Walther%20and%20Avanti/629C4C57-5E4B-4468-B1E7-82FA0DF4CAE4_zpsita2tfkz.jpg) (http://s1218.photobucket.com/user/JMJinNC/media/Walther%20and%20Avanti/629C4C57-5E4B-4468-B1E7-82FA0DF4CAE4_zpsita2tfkz.jpg.html)
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Good Heavens - how did you find three 1200s? They are like hens teeth on the various classifieds and on Gun Broker. Our gun shop here in town has a national clientele, sells lots of airguns and has never heard of the 1200.
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bumpity-bump:
so there was this guy. he just finished being part of a team developing a certain Remington pump-action shotgun. he had a dream of a better way to make a bb gun. he went on a trip to work 6-months in the r&d department 100 years ago. his bb gun has been in production for more than 85 of those 100 years, including currently. the original under-lever, trombone-action, take-down, carbine, 50-rd. spring-loaded repeater,.
the guy: Charles Lefever
the gun: daisy model 25 (225)
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Good Heavens - how did you find three 1200s? They are like hens teeth on the various classifieds and on Gun Broker. Our gun shop here in town has a national clientele, sells lots of airguns and has never heard of the 1200.
I bought them new at K-mart. Look at the picture, left side, there they are. 2 brand new and one needs seals. ;)
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what is that little break barrel next to the 880???? do you want to sell it????? Daisy.
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What a collection! My wife would be saying "When are you going to clean up that mess" LOL.
Re: The 853 to 753. Nice looking rifle! I assume that would produce around 500 fps. Is it useful at all for targets beyond 10M?
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I used a x93 rifle to hit 9mm casings at 35 yards... and have gonne as far as 55 yards on a ping pong ball... daisy.
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I have a question for someone with technical knowledge. My daisy 880 doesn't start building compression until I've pumped it 5 - 6 times. Any idea what sort of fix might be needed? This 880 is only 2 years old, but very accurate and with a smooth action. I'd like to repair it.
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I have a question for someone with technical knowledge. My daisy 880 doesn't start building compression until I've pumped it 5 - 6 times. Any idea what sort of fix might be needed? This 880 is only 2 years old, but very accurate and with a smooth action. I'd like to repair it.
how often do you oil it and what are you using for oil?
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I used 30wt non-detergent motor oil. A drop or two every 500-700 shots, or as needed.
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what is that little break barrel next to the 880???? do you want to sell it????? Daisy.
That is my BSF junior I received back when I was about 10. Sorry, it is not for sale.
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Bump! Daisy Gate Please! :D
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They are going to let this thread be it... :(. notice how may more threads are talking about daisy's though... by the way, i picked up a daisy collectibles book at barnes and nobles... in the bargain bin for like 10 bucks... it has all the older stuff (mostly BBs) but it is a good recount of the history of the company and a great trip through memory lane... so much i feel the need of a bb gun for indoor plinking in my garage... I want a targette!!! Daisy.
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If you can't find a targette, look for a 1200. Probably the best BB shooter around.
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All this has got me wanting an 880. First I'll get a 1322, then maybe an 880. I need something to put my UTG 4x32 MD scope on, anyway!
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*FIRST*
I agree that there should be a Daisy gate. There is one for Crosman, the only other company that makes MSPs in a similar price to power range (that I know of).
*SECOND*
What barrel would be the simplest to adapt to the Daisy 880 to make it .22 cal. Yes I know that there are a few other needed changes (bolt, leadin from breach to barrel, etc). I ask as the Daisy Powerline MSP seem much better designed than the Crosman guns that I have delt with much longer. And there is no question that there is a lot that can be done with the Daisy Powerline MSPs. I am also thinking about eventualy getting a Powerline 953 SSP just to see what can be done with it (the potential of a SSP with enough power to hunt by creating a longer pump tube and matching linkage?).
*THIRD*
Is there any way to adapt a Daisy 880 to use the 953 Clip? I have not had that gun or clip so I do not know.
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*FIRST*
I agree that there should be a Daisy gate. There is one for Crosman, the only other company that makes MSPs in a similar price to power range (that I know of).
*SECOND*
What barrel would be the simplest to adapt to the Daisy 880 to make it .22 cal. Yes I know that there are a few other needed changes (bolt, leadin from breach to barrel, etc). I ask as the Daisy Powerline MSP seem much better designed than the Crosman guns that I have delt with much longer. And there is no question that there is a lot that can be done with the Daisy Powerline MSPs. I am also thinking about eventualy getting a Powerline 953 SSP just to see what can be done with it (the potential of a SSP with enough power to hunt by creating a longer pump tube and matching linkage?).
*THIRD*
Is there any way to adapt a Daisy 880 to use the 953 Clip? I have not had that gun or clip so I do not know.
yes there should be a Daisy gate. However if we keep this thread going and all of the Daisy questions keep filling the this gate they may have no choice.
Pure guess here on the .22 caliber 880 barrel. Contact Daisy for a 22sg barrel.
I have absolutely no idea on the last.
Daisy
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I'd love an 880 in .22, or better yet, .20!
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I'd love an 880 in .22, or better yet, .20!
I hear that! I have often thought about it. Far too much going on to dive into something like that right now. Daisy
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Pure guess here on the .22 caliber 880 barrel. Contact Daisy for a 22sg barrel.
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Daisy
Ok does Daisy sell them by themselves? I know that the 880 Barrel is only sold with the Valve & trigger assembly.
I was initially thinking a Crosman 2200 barrel though Crosman no longer sales that particular barrel.
I know where to get regular .22 air gun barrels all day long, the problem comes with the soda straw barrel like that used in the Daisy Powerline guns.
I do not want to have to make one as cutting rifling is a full hour of exhausting work (well doing it by hand with a 16:1 rifling bar). And I definitely do not wish to cheat and cut only 2 or 4 groves like some do. I will only cut 16 groves, 16 lands, or 12 and groves 12 lands.
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Since we are still on the "new" 880, could we see some Chrony results?
Well neric posted some in another thread (up to 8 pumps):
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=1685.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=1685.0)
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Pure guess here on the .22 caliber 880 barrel. Contact Daisy for a 22sg barrel.
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Daisy
Ok does Daisy sell them by themselves? I know that the 880 Barrel is only sold with the Valve & trigger assembly.
I was initially thinking a Crosman 2200 barrel though Crosman no longer sales that particular barrel.
I know where to get regular .22 air gun barrels all day long, the problem comes with the soda straw barrel like that used in the Daisy Powerline guns.
I do not want to have to make one as cutting rifling is a full hour of exhausting work (well doing it by hand with a 16:1 rifling bar). And I definitely do not wish to cheat and cut only 2 or 4 groves like some do. I will only cut 16 groves, 16 lands, or 12 and groves 12 lands.
http://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/books-videos/books/magazine-subscriptions/22-caliber-rimfire-barrel-liners-prod10974.aspx (http://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/books-videos/books/magazine-subscriptions/22-caliber-rimfire-barrel-liners-prod10974.aspx)
Daisy
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How can you (or can you) fix an 880's barrel flying out of the shroud every other time it is shot?
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My 2yr old daisy 880 is losing power, so I disassembled it to find the problem. The seals look perfectly fine, no wear and tear, no nicks etc. I cleaned it up and put it back together, but the problem is still there. I have to pump it 6 times to get the same power I used to get at 3 pumps. Anyone good at diagnosis?
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clean the valve of any exhaust oil. mine did the same, i opened it, dryed it completely and now it holds perfectly. As per turning the 880 into a 22...a bit harder than just a barrel swap. The receiver has to be replaced also or you wont be able to pass the .22 pellet through into the barrel. You are better off scouring the earth for a 22sg/ 822... Daisy.
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My 2yr old daisy 880 is losing power, so I disassembled it to find the problem. The seals look perfectly fine, no wear and tear, no nicks etc. I cleaned it up and put it back together, but the problem is still there. I have to pump it 6 times to get the same power I used to get at 3 pumps. Anyone good at diagnosis?
do what lilysdad suggested . Then only oil it with 30 weight non detergent motor oil. No pengun. Too thin. And I am a firm beleiver that pengun oil is just REALLY expensive auto transmission fluid which is a very high detergent oil.
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clean the valve of any exhaust oil. mine did the same, i opened it, dryed it completely and now it holds perfectly. As per turning the 880 into a 22...a bit harder than just a barrel swap. The receiver has to be replaced also or you wont be able to pass the .22 pellet through into the barrel. You are better off scouring the earth for a 22sg/ 822... Daisy.
can't you open up the passage in the reciever? There is always a way. Whether it is economical or not is another question all together
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DAISY, DAISY!! 8) 8) 8)
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How can you (or can you) fix an 880's barrel flying out of the shroud every other time it is shot?
google only gave me this.
http://www.ask.com/answers/171165581/i-have-a-daisy-powerline-880-air-rifle-and-the-barrel-came-out-after-i-shot-know-how-to-fix-it-let-me-know (http://www.ask.com/answers/171165581/i-have-a-daisy-powerline-880-air-rifle-and-the-barrel-came-out-after-i-shot-know-how-to-fix-it-let-me-know)
have not had that issue personally. Daisy
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How can you (or can you) fix an 880's barrel flying out of the shroud every other time it is shot?
google only gave me this.
http://www.ask.com/answers/171165581/i-have-a-daisy-powerline-880-air-rifle-and-the-barrel-came-out-after-i-shot-know-how-to-fix-it-let-me-know (http://www.ask.com/answers/171165581/i-have-a-daisy-powerline-880-air-rifle-and-the-barrel-came-out-after-i-shot-know-how-to-fix-it-let-me-know)
have not had that issue personally. Daisy
Ok thanks. I'll probably try that.
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trust me... keep your 880 intact, find a 22sg... pretty wood, metal receiver... lovely. daisy.
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trust me... keep your 880 intact, find a 22sg... pretty wood, metal receiver... lovely. daisy.
Do you know of any where to get a 22SG for about $50 (figuring $39 for a 880, $10 for the barrel, and a little work modifying the receiver and making a bolt)?
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not 50, but for 75 to 80 you might just convince someone to sell you one... wink. the 880 plus barrel plus wood plus metal receiver= 22sg. 880 plus barrel plus work= no one has tried it....
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not 50, but for 75 to 80 you might just convince someone to sell you one... wink. the 880 plus barrel plus wood plus metal receiver= 22sg. 880 plus barrel plus work= no one has tried it....
Ok thank you. I guess that once I have the extra money I will get an extra Daisy 880 explicitly for attempting the conversion. Even if I have to turn down a full sized Crosman .22 cal barrel on the lathe to do it.
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I have a 922 coming my way. Metal receiver and pump arm. Plastic stock, however it have a wood stock laying in wait.
DT
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clean the valve of any exhaust oil. mine did the same, i opened it, dryed it completely and now it holds perfectly.
Thanks for the tip! Is the valve located at the base of the compression tube? Does the trigger assembly need to be removed to access the valve? I found a schematic, but couldn't quite make it out.
Thanks
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About how long does it take for the Daisy MSPs to build up enough oil in the vavle to start causing trouble? I only open the valve assembly on my guns about once every 2 to 3 months (about 10000 [ten-thousand] shots), is this often enough with the Daisy guns?
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Re: Cleaning the valve on the Daisy 880:
Is the valve located at the base of the compression tube? Does the trigger assembly need to be removed to access the valve? I found a schematic, but couldn't quite make it out.
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Yes the triger does noeed to be removed along with the hammer. The valve chamber end where the rod that the hammer hits comes out unscrews. It will be quite visible when you open up your Daisy 880.
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Daisy
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Daisy
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Daisy
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for anyone who is interested in a couple of nice daisy classics, PM me. I will give the Daisy thread priority before I post them in the classies... Like new 22sg plus 20th anniversary 880 with box and paperwork plus extra 880 (metal receiver and metal pump with plastic stock... all it needs is a foam donut on pump assembly to be a shooter... but is not 100 % cosmetically like the others, so I got it as a parts gun...). if interested PM me... Daisy.
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for anyone who is interested in a couple of nice daisy classics, PM me. I will give the Daisy thread priority before I post them in the classies... Like new 22sg plus 20th anniversary 880 with box and paperwork plus extra 880 (metal receiver and metal pump with plastic stock... all it needs is a foam donut on pump assembly to be a shooter... but is not 100 % cosmetically like the others, so I got it as a parts gun...). if interested PM me... Daisy.
you're kill ing me :D.
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anybody ever had a daisy 901 apart? what do you think it would share with the 880?
why hasn't anybody made one of their (853, etc.) ssp a msp? can it be done?
thanks,
rob
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DAISY, DAISY, DAISY, GATE?
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Yes the triger does noeed to be removed along with the hammer. The valve chamber end where the rod that the hammer hits comes out unscrews. It will be quite visible when you open up your Daisy 880.
Thanks David, much appreciated!
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anybody ever had a daisy 901 apart? what do you think it would share with the 880?
why hasn't anybody made one of their (853, etc.) ssp a msp? can it be done?
thanks,
rob
sure anything can be done...
but
is it worth it what do you gain...
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Almost forgot to say,
DAISY GATE, DAISY, DAISY
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daisy.....
what about the Winchester 77xs? made by daisy (880 on the inside).......crosman 2100 crusher?
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A Daisygate would be a good thing. They do make some interesting airguns. I like the 953 (and want one!!), the 747 and 717, the 880 workhorse, the 901. But, don't forget the Champion 499 BB shooter!! If it wasn't so costly, I'd like one of those. Made for 5 meter BB competition shooting. Tom Gaylord sure likes them:
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2013/12/our-own-christmas-story/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2013/12/our-own-christmas-story/)
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2005/06/b-b-s-treasure-chest-the-daisy-avanti-champion-model-499/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2005/06/b-b-s-treasure-chest-the-daisy-avanti-champion-model-499/)
And check the reviews at Pyramidair.com:
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/daisy-match-grade-avanti-champion-499?m=617#Reviews (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/daisy-match-grade-avanti-champion-499?m=617#Reviews)
I'm majorly disappointed in my Model 35. But, then, a grapefruit sized group at 10 yards off a bench makes me sick.
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daisy.....
what about the Winchester 77xs? made by daisy (880 on the inside).......crosman 2100 crusher?
Yes they are Daisy. And they are functionally identical to the 880 down to there rated FPE. Just a little nicer looks for the Daisy 880 (the Winchester 77x is one ugly gun), and a higher price for the Winchester branding.
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higher price for thumb hole stock......
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Ok For a long time I had pretty much ignored Daisy Air Guns. When I was young one of the higher power .177 MSPs that I shot was a Daisy (not sure of the model), though in the last decade it seems that every one was saying that Daisy does not make any high power Air guns any more, I think that these are based on the association of the Daisy Red Rider.
Now I am getting very much into Daisy Air Guns after a very short time with my new Daisy 880. I am considering adding more Daisy Air guns to my collection.
I have not yet chronied my 880, the FPE in my signature is based on what others report for the gun. Though based on comparing the penetration through water in a bucket to guns that I know well, I would say that it is at least that powerful, maybe a little more.
DAISY DOES MAKE EXCELLENT HIGH POWER MULTISTROKE PNEUMATIC AIR GUNS, STILL
And I believe that my focus is going to be making a slight shift. I will always like the Crosman Guns. Though Daisy is a good 9FPE gun in stock form, to get that kind of power from Crosman in a stock that has not been modified you are going to spend at least $130 on a Benjamin 397. And despite what many say the Daisy Powerline series of MSP Air guns are moddable.
Almost forgot: DAISY GATE.
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Ok For a long time I had pretty much ignored Daisy Air Guns. When I was young one of the higher power .177 MSPs that I shot was a Daisy (not sure of the model), though in the last decade it seems that every one was saying that Daisy does not make any high power Air guns any more, I think that these are based on the association of the Daisy Red Rider.
Now I am getting very much into Daisy Air Guns after a very short time with my new Daisy 880. I am considering adding more Daisy Air guns to my collection.
I have not yet chronied my 880, the FPE in my signature is based on what others report for the gun. Though based on comparing the penetration through water in a bucket to guns that I know well, I would say that it is at least that powerful, maybe a little more.
DAISY DOES MAKE EXCELLENT HIGH POWER MULTISTROKE PNEUMATIC AIR GUNS, STILL
And I believe that my focus is going to be making a slight shift. I will always like the Crosman Guns. Though Daisy is a good 9FPE gun in stock form, to get that kind of power from Crosman in a stock that has not been modified you are going to spend at least $130 on a Benjamin 397. And despite what many say the Daisy Powerline series of MSP Air guns are moddable.
Almost forgot: DAISY GATE.
Look I do not mean to be a butt but the 880 is less than 7 fpe stock many of the times and while they may be modable any thing is...
and my 2100 stock was ~ 8.5 fpe many are... some just a touch better and some worse many of the guys that report 625-650 fps from their
2100 is most likely from not oiling.
I am not against the 880 but what you are saying is not correct I wish I had the cash to pickup ten new 880s and ten 2100s to prove it to
you...
If you are basing your daisy 880 fpe figures off this vid his readings are very likely inflated because of being to close to the crony.
the 880 is a good rifle but so is the 2100 and you do not get 9 fpe out of either stock...
By the way 495 fps is what my 853 shooting now all I did was get a .5" nylon bushing from ace and drill it out to 3/8 and then cut to length
and insert in valve.
I shot my best five shot side rested 20 yard group with it today basicly a four leaf clover and then 1 about .3 low...
Daisy...
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Ok For a long time I had pretty much ignored Daisy Air Guns. When I was young one of the higher power .177 MSPs that I shot was a Daisy (not sure of the model), though in the last decade it seems that every one was saying that Daisy does not make any high power Air guns any more, I think that these are based on the association of the Daisy Red Rider.
Now I am getting very much into Daisy Air Guns after a very short time with my new Daisy 880. I am considering adding more Daisy Air guns to my collection.
I have not yet chronied my 880, the FPE in my signature is based on what others report for the gun. Though based on comparing the penetration through water in a bucket to guns that I know well, I would say that it is at least that powerful, maybe a little more.
DAISY DOES MAKE EXCELLENT HIGH POWER MULTISTROKE PNEUMATIC AIR GUNS, STILL
And I believe that my focus is going to be making a slight shift. I will always like the Crosman Guns. Though Daisy is a good 9FPE gun in stock form, to get that kind of power from Crosman in a stock that has not been modified you are going to spend at least $130 on a Benjamin 397. And despite what many say the Daisy Powerline series of MSP Air guns are moddable.
Almost forgot: DAISY GATE.
Look I do not mean to be a butt but the 880 is less than 7 fpe stock many of the times and while they may be modable any thing is...
and my 2100 stock was ~ 8.5 fpe many are... some just a touch better and some worse many of the guys that report 625-650 fps from their
2100 is most likely from not oiling.
Ok I can see consistently getting 8FPE from a 100% stock 2100 if it is kept well oiled.
I can NOT see only getting 7FPE from a daisy 880 in stock form. I have had the time to take some chrony info on mine since the above post, and a consistent 702FPS with 9.63 grain pellets is 10.5FPE. That is the power range of a much higher cost Crosman.
I am not against the 880 but what you are saying is not correct I wish I had the cash to pickup ten new 880s and ten 2100s to prove it to
you...
I admit that I only have my one Daisy 880 and what others have posted to go on. Though from My Daisy 880 and the numbers that others have posted (mostly on these forums) the Daisy 880 is a significantly more powerful gun in stock form.
I do not have ten of each to get an average from thus I have to combine my results with those posted by others to get the best guess of the average performance of both guns.
If you are basing your daisy 880 fpe figures off this vid his readings are very likely inflated because of being to close to the crony.
I have not seen any vid of an 880 being chronied.
the 880 is a good rifle but so is the 2100 and you do not get 9 fpe out of either stock...
Well if that is the normal then I guess that myself and a few others have got some very lucky 880s.
By the way 495 fps is what my 853 shooting now all I did was get a .5" nylon bushing from ace and drill it out to 3/8 and then cut to length
and insert in valve.
I shot my best five shot side rested 20 yard group with it today basicly a four leaf clover and then 1 about .3 low...
Daisy...
Nice. That is very good. I am glad to see those results out of a 853.
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Oh yea, Daisy gate please.
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So who's in charge of making gates?
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daisy gate, where is it already?
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I believe that a Daisy Gate may get a good amount of traffic if added. Daisy gate please
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Please.
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I think this may have become the default Daisygate. The Crosman Daisy conflict will go on forever and will never be resolved. I have both and have fun with both. I just like my Daisy's better. And they certainly give a lot of bang for the buck.
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I think this may have become the default Daisygate. The Crosman Daisy conflict will go on forever and will never be resolved. I have both and have fun with both. I just like my Daisy's better. And they certainly give a lot of bang for the buck.
You are probably right. You are asking people who are into springers and PCP guns to give you a gate for the lowly Daisy. Daisy, I think of BB gun, not high dollar match guns or spring guns or PCP guns. Just the BB gun you had when you were a kid. Daisy today, I think of China. But my 953 was made in the USA. Good luck with the Daisy Gate. ;)
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I just like my Daisy's better. And they certainly give a lot of bang for the buck.
Daisy today, I think of China. But my 953 was made in the USA. Good luck with the Daisy Gate. ;)
Crosman today, I think China, Beeman, China, Ruger, China... I'm seeing a pattern.
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I just like my Daisy's better. And they certainly give a lot of bang for the buck.
Daisy today, I think of China. But my 953 was made in the USA. Good luck with the Daisy Gate. ;)
Crosman today, I think China, Beeman, China, Ruger, China... I'm seeing a pattern.
For Crosman all of the guns I have from Crosman are Made In USA. I would like to see Daisy get back to that.
I do not understand the like for Springers, and PCP. Most of them shoot to fast to be of any use.
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I just like my Daisy's better. And they certainly give a lot of bang for the buck.
Daisy today, I think of China. But my 953 was made in the USA. Good luck with the Daisy Gate. ;)
Crosman today, I think China, Beeman, China, Ruger, China... I'm seeing a pattern.
For Crosman all of the guns I have from Crosman are Made In USA. I would like to see Daisy get back to that.
I do not understand the like for Springers, and PCP. Most of them shoot to fast to be of any use.
Crosman is unclear as to if the AG's are MADE in the USA or just assembled here. Being I understand the cost in America to produce a product made of metal and plastic I personally am 100% sure that they are assembled here with parts made elsewhere. And not just in China but also in Japan.
I may be wrong...but I do not see how a 2100 that is "Made in America" can sell brand new for $69 with the cost of labor alone in the USA. Never mind the cost of having the parts molded, casting the pot metal, etc. Trust me when I say an American made barrel that is rifled would cost more than $12 brand new. Can't even buy the metal for that, let alone make a product.
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@stonykill:
You have a good point for most of the gun. It is likely that most of it is assembled in the US and made elsewhere.
As for the Barrel, the steel costs about $4.00 retail, and they likely use a riffling button, thus it would be easy for a single worker to turn out 500 barrels per day, that makes it make more since to make the barrel in the US cost wise. I could be wrong.
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@stonykill:
You have a good point for most of the gun. It is likely that most of it is assembled in the US and made elsewhere.
As for the Barrel, the steel costs about $4.00 retail, and they likely use a riffling button, thus it would be easy for a single worker to turn out 500 barrels per day, that makes it make more since to make the barrel in the US cost wise. I could be wrong.
possible but being self employed and having watched enough Shark Tank I know that mark up is not what it takes to eanr a living, pay your employee's and provide benefits. Possible, yes for a small business. But that markup would most likely cause a large corporation with the costs mentioned plus advertising to go under and fast.
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;)I will put the quality of my Daisy 1200 pistol up against any sub $100 pistol available today including the current version of 1377. Daisy guns are the airgun for, "the rest of us," Sure they make lever action BB guns, but also make some really neat quality guns at reasonable prices. I love my 1st version 1377, but the 1377s I see in the big box stores look pretty rough. A lot of us enjoy our guns and don't feel the need for a $500 cannon. Pump and CO2 may not be stylish, but get the job done. I feel the same way about bass boats. I've caught a lot of bass in my day without the help of a $20,000 dollar boat. If you have the money and want to spend it, that's your prerogative, but it ain't necessary to spend a bundle to have a lot of fun - and fun is the name of the game.
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@ericnel:
I am not familiar with the 1200. What powerplant is that?
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@ericnel:
I am not familiar with the 1200. What powerplant is that?
CO2
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It is to bad that as far as I know Daisy does not make a good MSP pistol.
Oh well, I still like the 880.
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Ok how about we look at the Daisy gate request from a slightly different angle:
For the Crosman gate the other brands produced by Crosman are lumped in so that it includes Crosman and Benjamin.
So for a Daisy gate we should probably request a Daisy-Winchester Gate.
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... maybe crosman is a "sponsor" of the GTA (is on the GTA mall after all, while Gamo, and others are not...umhhhh...) and they wont allow competitor to be prioritized by getting their own gate... I mean, the crosman gate would not exist if we had a 22xx/13xx gate and the trails and such were relegated to their correct gate (the china gate). Conspiracy???
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... maybe crosman is a "sponsor" of the GTA (is on the GTA mall after all, while Gamo, and others are not...umhhhh...) and they wont allow competitor to be prioritized by getting their own gate... I mean, the crosman gate would not exist if we had a 22xx/13xx gate and the trails and such were relegated to their correct gate (the china gate). Conspiracy???
I was wondering where you have been :D
Wish I had extra cash...I'd be hitting you up. ;)
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all you need is 150 bucks my friend... and Daisy nirvana will be knocking at your door...
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all you need is 150 bucks my friend... and Daisy nirvana will be knocking at your door...
Unfortunately for some of us that is a lot of money :( .
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all you need is 150 bucks my friend... and Daisy nirvana will be knocking at your door...
unfortunately unless I get an unexpected sale that is out of my reach at this moment.
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tell me about it... just put my disco on the classies... i thought i would be buried with that gun... : (
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Unless you plan shooting in winter outside, CO2 is great. I go out to my shop and shoot in comfort. You can use a CO2 gun in any large room by making an adequate back stop. I like duct tape over styrofoam.
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Unless you plan shooting in winter outside, CO2 is great. I go out to my shop and shoot in comfort. You can use a CO2 gun in any large room by making an adequate back stop. I like duct tape over styrofoam.
I can see the value of CO2 for plinking.
Though for me it is MSP all of the way. The reasons:
+With Springers you have unreasonable maintenance restrictions (can not simply do an in field tear down, reseal and rebuild).
+With PCP guns you need a source for High Pressure Air, external to the gun.
+With CO2 you need an external source of CO2 and you loose power in the cold.
On the other hand with a MSP you need only a few hand tools to carry in case of needing maintenance in the field. If you are out on a hunting or camping trip you are going to be in the middle of no where for up to 3 weeks, and that makes the three other power plants unrealistic. Not to mention that Mother nature does not always play nice, she could get you stuck out in the middle of no where for an extra month do to unexpected changes in the weather. So you will be away from any motor vehicle, town, phone, radio, or residence for an extended period of time when you need the gun the most (hunting and camping).
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The above is also why I have no interest in fire arms. Could you imagine carrying 1000 rounds in the form of cartridges, or even Black Powder plus Miniball? And if you are going to be out like that you want at least 1000 rounds (it is called being safe not sorry).
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The above is also why I have no interest in fire arms. Could you imagine carrying 1000 rounds in the form of cartridges, or even Black Powder plus Miniball? And if you are going to be out like that you want at least 1000 rounds (it is called being safe not sorry).
No interest at all?
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The above is also why I have no interest in fire arms. Could you imagine carrying 1000 rounds in the form of cartridges, or even Black Powder plus Miniball? And if you are going to be out like that you want at least 1000 rounds (it is called being safe not sorry).
No interest at all?
Ok I do enjoy shooting Black Powder Revolvers :) . Though that is just for fun.
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Here's a group I shot today with an 880. Open sights, Daisy BB's, kneeling position, six pumps, 7 yards, indoors. It's only a 4 shot group because I shot my red shoot 'n c sticker off the paper!
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For backyard shooting at 25 yards or so, an FPS of about 600-650 is perfect. More is too much and less doesn't quite do it. There are only a handful of airguns that shoot at 650 fps. There's the Beeman R7 , Weihrauch RW 30, Stoeger X5 and then the various multipumps. Of the multipumps, the Daisy 880 is the easiest to pump. The lever action uses shoulder muscles, rather than wrist and elbow as with other pumps. It's absurdly accurate for a $39 gun.
RIP: I tried fixing my old 880 which was losing power. Stripped it down to the bones. Couldn't find anything wrong with it. Put it back together and then it wouldn't fire. Took it apart and put it together 6 times. Still wouldn't fire. Finally gave up. Alas, not everyone is a mechanic...
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If the exhaust valve is not sealing, the gun will not pump up. Is your exhaust valve the screw in type or is it held in with a clip? The screw in type is the same valve as a 717,722,747and the 777 Daisy pistol. This part is still available from Daisy.
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Re: The Daisy 880 : I was so frustrated and disheartened that I gave up and put it in the trash, which went out today. I'll just buy guns from now on, not fix them.
RE: GTA WEBSITE : I was not able to get onto this website for the last three days. Was the site down? Did anyone else experience
that issue?
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Re: The Daisy 880 : I was so frustrated and disheartened that I gave up and put it in the trash, which went out today. I'll just buy guns from now on, not fix them.
RE: GTA WEBSITE : I was not able to get onto this website for the last three days. Was the site down? Did anyone else experience
that issue?
PLEASE tell me it was not a metal receiver 880 that you tossed in the trash >:(
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Re: PLEASE tell me it was not a metal receiver 880 that you tossed in the trash >:(
Nah, it was just a 2 year old rifle, but it had an especially smooth action which is one reason I was trying to save it. The seals looked perfect, no tears, no signs of wear. I cleaned up what I could. I still don't now what a valve looks like! I wish someone would create step by step instructions with CLOSE UP illlustrations. Working off just written instructions is like working blind.
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Love my older all metal 880 what a great gun. Several years ago I purchased the 880 in 22cal from Pyramyd Air. It has a full metal receiver and all wood stock. Although I was disappointed the pump lever was plastic. Extremely accurate.
I love Daisy and have so many of them I don't think I know how many I have. My favorite is the "Spitting Image" collection. (26 fieldmaster, 21 Double, 1894 lever and 179 pistol)
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GUYS!!!!!! THE 880 IS ON THE PYRAMYD AIR BLOG!!!!! STARRING... THE 880!!!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Yep. Already read it and posted there a couple times. I am anxiously awaiting Tom's accuracy tests. He will tell it like it is.....
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yep, guys, with all of our interest an clamor for a daisy gate, a simple request on Friday for a complete and fair 880 review, got a blog post on monday. thanks to bb/tom and thank all you guys. but can we get a daisy gate anyway?
rob
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Yes this could also draw more young shooter to the forum and make sure they get off to the right start in understanding the ethics and safety of shooting and outdoor sports.
When is was 8 years old i went and sat on Santa's lap at the local mall outside of Nashville, TN and asked him for a Knife, a Whip, and a BB Gun.
My mom was so embarrassed!!!! LOL
That Christmas i got a buck knife and a daisy red rider BB gun, but no whip but i didn't care.
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heck... i didnt even think about it... a whip!!! who knows what kinda mishaps and adventures i would have had if i had a whip...
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Ok I guess that every one beat me to it. The 880 is on the Pyramyd Air blog.
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I guess that he is not doing consecutive days for the Daisy 880 on the blog. Oh well.
I am very curious to see his results. He is good at taking personal biased out of things.
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Well I am liking the Daisy 880 enough already that my main Crosman 66 went to my over 70 mother. :) .
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no, wait... that is blasphemy... i still got my 66.
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I really, really like my 880 but I also like my Crosman 760. ;)
Today, fired 15 shots in the 880 (10 meters, carport range out of the weather) and produced 2 five shot groups as small as any I've ever shot with anything. Stunning. I have a cheapy 4X scope and a dominant eye waiting corrective surgery and still...... the 880 carried me through. It is uncanny! But, it sure is hard for a lefty to load. At least for this lefty.
Well, I had been following this thread and thought I should post to add another voice in favor of Daisy gate.
I also was anxious to see BB's follow-on review of the 880.
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no, wait... that is blasphemy... i still got my 66.
Do not worry I still have my back up 66, and my 760s, and 2289s.
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no, wait... that is blasphemy... i still got my 66.
Do not worry I still have my back up 66, and my 760s, and 2289s.
Also she enjoys shooting and hunting (she is only in her early 70s, not old for a long time yet).
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Tonight I shot a Daisy 822, 888 and 856, all of them did extremely well.
The 888 is bulk CO2 powered and has an LW barrel, it is expected to do well since it is made for 10 M competition but the 856 is very accurate and cost only $29...in 1986.
All this 880 talk is making me want one.
One of the great things about Daisy guns is that you can actually have them and without financial burden too.
A Progresso soup can was guest of honor tonight, 6 pumps of the 856 and a CPHP pellet got through one side and dented the other side. 10 pumps and then 8 both shot through both sides, 10 more cleanly than 8.
Thanks Daisy!
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Finally got a couple of decent groups with my Daisy Model 35 smooth bore rifle. My first one was pretty easy to get really good groups. It went bad and Daisy had me return it and sent me another. The second one just throws a lot of fliers. I might get 2 shots close together, then have one 3 inches away, and NOT a called flier. The afternoon, I was trying various pellets. The gun had shown to like RWS Hobby's, but they were bested by Crosman Premier wadcutters. Best group of three shots was 5/16", and I got two of them.
Got some others fairly tight at 1/2" and a bit under. This was scoped with a Centerpoint 2x7x32mm AO scope, a pretty decent scope too. I may never best these groups.
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@birdmove:
Nice results with that smooth bore :) .
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bb pell-guy heard us? = make more noise!!!!!
thanks again tom and Edith!
long live the Gaylord's!
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Hay if yalls 880s break you could sell them for parts on ebay !
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Hay if yalls 880s break you could sell them for parts on ebay !
I would rather see people repair them. All of those parted guns on E-Bay are guns lost. And the parts cost a lot less from Daisy, and yes the new Daisy parts work in the old Daisy 880s for the most part.
The Daisy 880 is to good of a rifle to throw away (and that is what parting them to sale is).
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Re: I would rather see people repair them. All of those parted guns on E-Bay are guns lost. And the parts cost a lot less from Daisy, and yes the new Daisy parts work in the old Daisy 880s for the most part. The Daisy 880 is to good of a rifle to throw away .
In that regard, would someone who is knowledgeable about the 880's PLEASE create a clear set of instructions (with illustrations!) for repairing them? On the entire internet there is only one schematic and not good detail. There are a couple videos of the guns being broken down, but they are quite limited and without close ups. I'm a professional editor and I would gladly assist in editing any written material.
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@Alanheal:
I guess I could attempt to write up some instructions. Will not be of much help for illustration. Though I am sure we could find some one that can take care of the illustration. It will likely take me some time to write up something that is clear enough for you to edit.
Would that be helpful for you?
I have taken apart and reassembled my 880 more than 10 times. And at least 5 times all of the way down to the inner valve.
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This might be helpful...
http://forum.daisymuseum.com/daisy-880-compendium-repair-experiences_topic3519.html?KW=daisy+880 (http://forum.daisymuseum.com/daisy-880-compendium-repair-experiences_topic3519.html?KW=daisy+880)
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There is a LOT of interest in Daisy air guns. A lot on this forum. And nearly all of us a a far cry from being kids starting out. It would benefit tremendously having a Daisy gate where all of this info is easily accessible. If that bit of ease and organization helps get kids interested in air guns that would be GREAT!
I know the 1st Daisy question I had...I had NO idea where to put it. Everyone else has a gate or a subgate. Except for Daisy. And lets face it, nearly ALL of us got our start with a Daisy. Many of us, myself included still have that original Daisy that started it all.
I do realize it appears that Daisy is the red headed stepchild of the forum. They just DO NOT get the respect they deserve. Imho it is a disservice to a fantastic brand of AG. They make some of the BEST target rifles. A couple of rabbit and down small game rifles. And are DOWN RIGHT affordable.
A Daisy Gate would be a tremendous help to ALL of us Daisy owners and lovers.
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There is a LOT of interest in Daisy air guns. A lot on this forum. And nearly all of us a a far cry from being kids starting out. It would benefit tremendously having a Daisy gate where all of this info is easily accessible. If that bit of ease and organization helps get kids interested in air guns that would be GREAT!
I know the 1st Daisy question I had...I had NO idea where to put it. Everyone else has a gate or a subgate. Except for Daisy. And lets face it, nearly ALL of us got our start with a Daisy. Many of us, myself included still have that original Daisy that started it all.
I do realize it appears that Daisy is the red headed stepchild of the forum. They just DO NOT get the respect they deserve. Imho it is a disservice to a fantastic brand of AG. They make some of the BEST target rifles. A couple of rabbit and down small game rifles. And are DOWN RIGHT affordable.
A Daisy Gate would be a tremendous help to ALL of us Daisy owners and lovers.
+1
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Does Daisy make a really good springer? Does Daisy make a really good PCP gun? I didn't think so, no great springer, no PCP gun, NO GATE!
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We have and are always looking at improvements to this forum. And we always listen to our members. And as a reminder, WE (staff) are first and foremost members ourselves!!! We have heard your requests and they have been and are still being looked at. There is no need to keep pounding your point, we got it. The staff have discussed it and we have looked at the amount of Daisy ONLY related interest. And try to keep in mind GTA has almost 10,000 members. We have to make decisions that would benefit the majority, not just a few diehard fans. I do understand and appreciate your passion and dedication.
We have discussions about any changes to the forum because it is not simply opening a new gate and everything magically appears there that relates to that brand. And does the history of activity support the creation of a Daisy Gate? So far, no. And we are not excluding Daisy. If you look, we have very few brand exclusive gates. At some point it starts becoming a management nightmare and a confusing maze for new members with the amount of "gates" we have already. But we ARE looking at a total reorganization of our forum layout. It is a BIG task by underpaid staff working in our free time. So just bear with us.
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We have and are always looking at improvements to this forum. And we always listen to our members. And as a reminder, WE (staff) are first and foremost members ourselves!!! We have heard your requests and they have been and are still being looked at. There is no need to keep pounding your point, we got it. The staff have discussed it and we have looked at the amount of Daisy ONLY related interest. And try to keep in mind GTA has almost 10,000 members. We have to make decisions that would benefit the majority, not just a few diehard fans. I do understand and appreciate your passion and dedication.
We have discussions about any changes to the forum because it is not simply opening a new gate and everything magically appears there that relates to that brand. And does the history of activity support the creation of a Daisy Gate? So far, no. And we are not excluding Daisy. If you look, we have very few brand exclusive gates. At some point it starts becoming a management nightmare and a confusing maze for new members with the amount of "gates" we have already. But we ARE looking at a total reorganization of our forum layout. It is a BIG task by underpaid staff working in our free time. So just bear with us.
I only brought it up once again as I noticed, you an admin was here on this thread. And of course we did not know you were listening and looking into it. This post let us know you are! Thanks!
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Sorry, but I have seen other posts and other admins have responded in private messages to a couple of other members and their insistence that we just "create" a new gate.
:)
I didn't realize it wasn't addressed publically.
Again, I do appreciate the interest and dedication to the Daisy (or ANY) brand. Didn't mean to sound snappy but I'm overworked and underpaid, especially this week.
LOL
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And there you have it. You want to talk Daisy? Go here.
http://www.daisycollectors.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=16 (http://www.daisycollectors.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=16)
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And there you have it. You want to talk Daisy? Go here.
http://www.daisycollectors.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=16 (http://www.daisycollectors.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=16)
No, stay here and discuss. It's good to pull info from other sources but the purpose of this forum is to become a valuable resource for ANY airgun related topic.
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All this Daisy talk and no talk of the .22 Daisy that shot 40 grains at ~ 1100 fps...
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All this Daisy talk and no talk of the .22 Daisy that shot 40 grains at ~ 1100 fps...
What gun is that?
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All this Daisy talk and no talk of the .22 Daisy that shot 40 grains at ~ 1100 fps...
What gun is that?
Never mind that is a powder burner not an Air Gun.
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All this Daisy talk and no talk of the .22 Daisy that shot 40 grains at ~ 1100 fps...
What gun is that?
Never mind that is a powder burner not an Air Gun.
Hey It was part air gun...
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All this Daisy talk and no talk of the .22 Daisy that shot 40 grains at ~ 1100 fps...
What gun is that?
Never mind that is a powder burner not an Air Gun.
Hey It was part air gun...
Yea though the Air part only ignited the powder part :) .
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It will likely take me some time to write up something that is clear enough for you to edit. Would that be helpful for you? I have taken apart and reassembled my 880 more than 10 times. And at least 5 times all of the way down to the inner valve.
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Thank you, that would be excellent. I could edit from there. Whenever you have the time. The pics in that link above don't enlarge anymore. Perhaps someone on this thread could take photos or do illustrations to go with the instructions. Volunteers???
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It will likely take me some time to write up something that is clear enough for you to edit. Would that be helpful for you? I have taken apart and reassembled my 880 more than 10 times. And at least 5 times all of the way down to the inner valve.
Thank you, that would be excellent. I could edit from there. Whenever you have the time. The pics in that link above don't enlarge anymore. Perhaps someone on this thread could take photos or do illustrations to go with the instructions. Volunteers???
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I am working on the text I will get it to you once it gets far enough.
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http://forum.daisymuseum.com/daisy-880-compendium-repair-experiences_topic3519.html?KW=daisy+880 (http://forum.daisymuseum.com/daisy-880-compendium-repair-experiences_topic3519.html?KW=daisy+880)
Pictures here expand for me.
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http://forum.daisymuseum.com/daisy-880-compendium-repair-experiences_topic3519.html?KW=daisy+880 (http://forum.daisymuseum.com/daisy-880-compendium-repair-experiences_topic3519.html?KW=daisy+880)
Pictures here expand for me.
How many. For me it is roughly 40% of the pics, not the others.
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Yeah, I just clicked on the first two and figured the rest were okay too. OLD post, back in 2009. Imageshack link not good either.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp8yE2IoBss# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp8yE2IoBss#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RVW6MS2ujc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RVW6MS2ujc#)
http://www.airgunhome.com/agforum/viewtopic.php?t=4008 (http://www.airgunhome.com/agforum/viewtopic.php?t=4008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSnQTdMh80k# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSnQTdMh80k#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kugUV5CRVbI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kugUV5CRVbI#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEUQrXHKwU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEUQrXHKwU#)
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Thanks for posting the videos. I've seen those but they stop short of explaining how to repair/ replace the parts of the compression tube, among other things. If all that's needed is an "O" ring, for instance, why replace the entire barrel and compression tube? Also, there are pins that need to be removed to disassemble the 880 and that was given short shrift. When I dis-assembled my last Daisy 880, everything looked fine, but compression was being lost. What do you look for? What aside from the "O" rings could be a problem? How do you replace an "O" ring? When I reassembled it, the trigger wouldn't pull. The bolt was no longer cocking the rifle. Never did figure it out.
What I'm saying is, the devil is in the details, so we need some detailed instruction and good clear illustrations.
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I realize the thankless task that the people who keep this forum have. Been there and done that with a hunting dog news letter. Perhaps this thread has become kind of a defacto gate since it seems to stay active. The Daisy museum forum seems to be more for collectors than users. If we can keep this thread going, it seems to provide a spot for us Daisy users to connect. And I want to thank all the people that keep GTA going. Its my first stop when I fire up my computer. Thanks Guys!
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I was looking for a lead free pellet that I could use indoors with the Daisy 880. After trying various ones, I found that the Daisy Lead-Free Wadcutter worked best. Was using it at 10 yards and getting pinpoint accuracy. Yesterday was finally warm enough to shoot outside and I tried the lead free at 25 yards. Absolutely accurate! So I give them my high recommendation for anyone desiring lead free for the Daisy 880.
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I was looking for a lead free pellet that I could use indoors with the Daisy 880. After trying various ones, I found that the Daisy Lead-Free Wadcutter worked best. Was using it at 10 yards and getting pinpoint accuracy. Yesterday was finally warm enough to shoot outside and I tried the lead free at 25 yards. Absolutely accurate! So I give them my high recommendation for anyone desiring lead free for the Daisy 880.
thanks for sharing that!
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Shot Daisy 856 pumper and a Daisy 888 CO2 rifles tonight. Distance was 5 yards, CPHP pellets, targets were 3 small circles, two shots per circle.
Shot 3 circles with the 856, two shots per circle, using 6 pumps. Both shots were in close to the same hole, on all three circles.....but the point of impact was different on all three circles.
Shooting the same targets with the 888 was different. Both shots on each circle were in close to being in the same hole but the POI remained the same for all shots.
Daisy's 888 is made for ten meter competition and it shoots like a target rifle. Hitting where you want is better than the alternative.
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Yes, Daisy makes some very accurate rifles, yet it is not the first brand people think about when looking for an accurate rifle. My 880 will consistently hit 1/4 targets at 10 yards (using open sights). When aiming from a free standing position, I find I can't hold the rifle absolutely steady. The slight motion of my body lets the barrel drift past the target. I found that I can wait for the moment the barrel drifts in alignment with the target and then squeeze the trigger. This will produce a bulls eye. This is something that doesn't seem to work with my Stoeger break barrel, since the spring is creating other motions before the pellet leaves the barrel. Just another advantage of the Daisy 880.
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daisy 880 part 2: pyramid air's blog. Thursday>>>>>> ;D
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Read Tom Gaylord's part two test of the 880. The velocities look a might low, but also very inconsistent. Accuracy tests to follow. With such inconsistent velocities, I don't think this test gun is going to be super accurate.
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Read Tom Gaylord's part two test of the 880. The velocities look a might low, but also very inconsistent.
Production models vary and it would be a shame if he was testing one that was not representative of the group as a whole.
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it is a shame he is testing a 14 year old 880 that probably 364 days a year on average sits in a closet. There is no way the review will in any way at all reflect what is being sold now. Shame really as his review will influence MANY....
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OK I am 2 sentences into that review and am disgusted. He lubed it with Pengun oil. DAISY CLEARLY STATES TO USE 30 WEIGHT ND ON THEIR AG'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This review in no way shape or form is going to show what an 880 can do that is sold today. The gun is 14 years old and has the WRONG oil in it.
I'll finish reading despite the fact that it is NOT going to be a fair review
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Ok, read the review. Made some comments. Gone forever are the days I hold his reviews at a high standard. 14 year old AG, WRONG oil, he HAS to know , just HAS TO KNOW his 880 is NOT representative of a new AG. Or even an old one that gets used regularly.
My personal opinion. Poorly , very poorly done review. From now on I will look at his reviews with a grain of salt. Poorly conducted review. Just shamefully done. AND it will influence so many. And the results in no way shape or form will represent a new 880 OILED CORRECTLY!
wow...just wow
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I read BBs review and am suprised at the numbers. I am wondering what is wrong with his Daisy 880 to cause such low numbers.
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I read BBs review and am suprised at the numbers. I am wondering what is wrong with his Daisy 880 to cause such low numbers.
Well for starters it is a 14...yes 14 year old 880. My disappointment with his review lies in the fact that he is not testing a new 880 but testing one that is over a decade old, with original seals.
I'm done reading it...not a fair review. You don't take a 14 year old AG when you write for a webpage that holds such high regard and review it when you still sell new ones on that same webpage.
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I read BBs review and am suprised at the numbers. I am wondering what is wrong with his Daisy 880 to cause such low numbers.
Well for starters it is a 14...yes 14 year old 880. My disappointment with his review lies in the fact that he is not testing a new 880 but testing one that is over a decade old, with original seals.
I'm done reading it...not a fair review. You don't take a 14 year old AG when you write for a webpage that holds such high regard and review it when you still sell new ones on that same webpage.
++Agreed %100.
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This is funny, people praising Daisy. Maybe 6 months ago I entered a couple of posts in which I said Daisy deserves a lot more respect in both their guns and their pellets but never got a second to my motion. I was repeatedly and bluntly informed that Crosman was so superior that Daisy was not even it the same league, that Daisy guns were junk toys and Daisy pellets were good only for meting down to cast fishing sinkers. Now I find 13 pages of praise. What changed? Did something or someone give Daisy fans permission to come out of the closet?
Anyhow, I have owned a Daisy 880 for over 30 years and with a cheap scope it still stacks pellets atop pellets at 10 meters and my 717 would probably do as well if I could shoot open sights that well.
My only shooting competition is at mountain man rendezvous over the summer and when I first joined this site I was looking for an air rifle to serve as offseason practice for my muzzle loading target rifle. After much discussion and contemplation I found I already owned the rifle I needed in my Daisy 953. I had an old .45 caliber barrel removed from a muzzleloader and after much work with hacksaw and files I fitted that as a sleeve over the 7/16" diameter barrel of the 953. I cut the barrel to match the weight and balance of my muzzle loading rifle, installed open sights similar to those of my ML rifle, added a spacer to lengthen the stock and have the perfect practice rifle. I'm told I could fit the Lothar Walther barrel to the 953 but the original Daisy barrel gives 10 meter groups smaller than I can hold with open sights from the offhand position. I really like the 5 shot clip of the 953 since the awkwardness of single loading was my only complaint with my old 880.
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This is funny, people praising Daisy. Maybe 6 months ago I entered a couple of posts in which I said Daisy deserves a lot more respect in both their guns and their pellets but never got a second to my motion. I was repeatedly and bluntly informed that Crosman was so superior that Daisy was not even it the same league, that Daisy guns were junk toys and Daisy pellets were good only for meting down to cast fishing sinkers. Now I find 13 pages of praise. What changed? Did something or someone give Daisy fans permission to come out of the closet?
Anyhow, I have owned a Daisy 880 for over 30 years and with a cheap scope it still stacks pellets atop pellets at 10 meters and my 717 would probably do as well if I could shoot open sights that well.
My only shooting competition is at mountain man rendezvous over the summer and when I first joined this site I was looking for an air rifle to serve as offseason practice for my muzzle loading target rifle. After much discussion and contemplation I found I already owned the rifle I needed in my Daisy 953. I had an old .45 caliber barrel removed from a muzzleloader and after much work with hacksaw and files I fitted that as a sleeve over the 7/16" diameter barrel of the 953. I cut the barrel to match the weight and balance of my muzzle loading rifle, installed open sights similar to those of my ML rifle, added a spacer to lengthen the stock and have the perfect practice rifle. I'm told I could fit the Lothar Walther barrel to the 953 but the original Daisy barrel gives 10 meter groups smaller than I can hold with open sights from the offhand position. I really like the 5 shot clip of the 953 since the awkwardness of single loading was my only complaint with my old 880.
If I were on this forum 6 months ago I would have agreed with you. But I was not.
Anyone who knows me knows I am not P.C., don't mince words and speak my mind how I see things from my own personal experiences. Daisy makes some darn good air guns at their price point. I own more Crosmans but prefer the Daisy's over them and shoot the Daisy's more often. The 880 gets shot every day since I got it in December.
Nice work on your Daisy!
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I don't know why Tom decided to test his older 880. But, he has agreed to reseal this gun, and then retest it with a link to each article. I think maybe you're being a bit hard on him.
If you read my review here of my first Daisy Model 35, you'd find a story about Tom Gaylord too. He reviewed a Model 35, and it was &^^&. No other way to put it. His gun was shooting maybe 6-8 inch groups benched at 10 yards. MIne was a comparative tack driver at that distance, and I posted photos of groups here in my review. I emailed Daisy to make them aware of tom's review, and told them that they had sent Tom a lemon. They got ahold of Tom, asked him to send the lemon back, and asked him if he could retest it. He agreed to retest the gun, and they sent him another. His second gun shot a lot better, but it still was not nearly as accurate as my first Model 35. After 11 months, my Model 35 would no longer pump up any pressure. I contacted Daisy and they took great care of me. They paid for the return of my old gun and sent me another. All shipping to and from Hawaii paid for by Daisy. But, you guessed it, my second Model 35 doesn't hold a candle to my first one. Not anywhere near as accurate, and it throws WAY to many fliers. Despite this, I did manage to get one great 3 shot group at 10 yards off a rest of 3/16". If I could figure out how to get the shroud off this thing without splitting the receiver, I would try shimming the end of the barrel inside the shroud. I am not going to bother Daisy about the second gun, because this is a $35 smooth bore airgun, and my gun is probably meeting Daisy's accuracy standards for a smooth bore at 10 yards. I had chose the Model 35 because I wanted one gun I could shoot BB's with and not have to worry about damaging the rifling.
Tom normally does not like to retest a gun. I totally see his point. But, his first Model 35 was just garbage. Read that review. You would have sent that gun back, and so would I have. But he did retest it. And he acknowledged that us airgunners get pretty passionate about our guns, and that's why I made an issue of it and contacted Daisy.
It's certainly fine that you question him on testing an older 880, and I applaud that you brought this up. But, you are coming on pretty strong, and you are going to lose your argument by your tone.
How about this....email or call Daisy. Let them know what is going on, and maybe they would send him a brand new Model 880 to test and compare to his old one. They would be very diplomatic about it, and maybe they could work something out.
If I remember correctly, Tom has done an old review on the Crosman 1077. I think, when he reviewed it, that his was also an older one. But, his 1077 is a tack driver, and more accurate than mine is. So, I think he has tested an older example of an airgun in the past.
I have no horses in this race, as I have never even picked up an 880.
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Well I can attest that not all 880's are equal. My first, back in '83 or '84 was a tack driver and remained so for many years. When finally it would not pump up I did not know I could get parts to rebuild it so I went to WallyWorld and got a new plastic receiver version. It shot terrible, so thinking I had nothing to lose I tore it down and saw that the barrel was actually bent very noticeably. How that was not noticed by the factory assembler I do not know because it was really conspicuous. So I removed the barrel from my old 880 and fitted it to the new gun. It did require a bit of fitting, as best I recall I had to shorten it maybe 1/16" at the breech end. The result is that now some pellets are too long for the chamber and I can't close the bolt on some but it does shoot Daisy flat nose very well. I wish I had know I could have just resealed my old 880 but while education may be expensive there is a price to be paid for ignorance as well. ;D
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I don't know why Tom decided to test his older 880. But, he has agreed to reseal this gun, and then retest it with a link to each article. I think maybe you're being a bit hard on him.
I don't think so. He writes a blog for a site that sells NEW 880's. He is testing not only a 14 year old 880 but one that obviously has issues. Even IF he reseals and links it will not matter. What he writes in his blog many, many, many, take as gospel. Very quickly it will be forgotten that he is testing a 14 year old 880 and the numbers and info he provides WILL steer new buyers AWAY from the 880.
A webpage that sells a new product should not be reviewing a 14 year old product.
Now if he were either doing a review on the now discontinued 856 a before and after rebuild, OR had written the blog in such a way that he stated from the beginning that he would do a before and after it would be fair.
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Well I can attest that not all 880's are equal. My first, back in '83 or '84 was a tack driver and remained so for many years. When finally it would not pump up I did not know I could get parts to rebuild it so I went to WallyWorld and got a new plastic receiver version. It shot terrible, so thinking I had nothing to lose I tore it down and saw that the barrel was actually bent very noticeably. How that was not noticed by the factory assembler I do not know because it was really conspicuous. So I removed the barrel from my old 880 and fitted it to the new gun. It did require a bit of fitting, as best I recall I had to shorten it maybe 1/16" at the breech end. The result is that now some pellets are too long for the chamber and I can't close the bolt on some but it does shoot Daisy flat nose very well. I wish I had know I could have just resealed my old 880 but while education may be expensive there is a price to be paid for ignorance as well. ;D
well yes of course. We are playing the Chinese QC lottery. But let me put it this way.
I bought a new 856 powerline in 1999 or 2000. My then young son and I shot that for years along with a pumpmaster 760. The 856 was a tack driver. Was. I still own it. Over the last 2 months the 14 or 15 year old seals are just shot. For the last 5 years it just sat in a gun cabinet. Until I took it back out last fall. I oiled it up and it seemed ok and was very accurate. But not now. Wildly inconsistent. As SHOULD be expected for 14 or 15 year old seals that were left untouched for 5 years. It needs to be rebuilt and it is miles from what it was when new.
This is why I was so hard on the review.
And I was NOT happy with my 880 at 1st and darn near returned it...posted so on this forum. But by spending just a little bit of time with it, and using 30wt nd it shoots great. If it did not I would not shoot it daily. :D
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Interesting. Took Tom up on his offer to write a guest blog. We have been emailing back and forth for a bit today.
2 things of interest. 1st that I get to write for another blog.
2nd, Tom tells me he is now going to test a new 880 as well as "possibly" rebuild his and retest it.
So I was not being hard on him. Just driving the fairness point home. I know as well as anyone that his new one could be on the low end of the QC and not be any better. However chances are much better the new one will be much more consistent.
In all honesty I'm not interested in his current review any longer. Not relevant to a new 880. BUT I am very interested in his review of a new out of box 880.
All I wanted was a fair shake for Daisy, and we ALL just got it. :D
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I think you are totally fair and correct to expect a business selling NEW products of any sort should evaluate NEW products, if for no other reason than to suspect there may have been changes and modification in the product over the past 14 years, I would think there probably have been and the matter of seals drying out and other effects of time on the product. Fourteen years of oil turned gummy in the bore can certainly effect accuracy and 14 years storage with a dry bore can result in rust pitting. Just saying, who knows and that is the point.
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I think you are totally fair and correct to expect a business selling NEW products of any sort should evaluate NEW products, if for no other reason than to suspect there may have been changes and modification in the product over the past 14 years, I would think there probably have been and the matter of seals drying out and other effects of time on the product. Fourteen years of oil turned gummy in the bore can certainly effect accuracy and 14 years storage with a dry bore can result in rust pitting. Just saying, who knows and that is the point.
thank you and trust me when I say you are in the minority. ;)
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you are not alone in the minority. i asked bb for this review as a fair shake for the daisy. testing an older gun is not representative of any 880 you could buy anywhere but a garage sale (and we know to expect any gun bought there to be a project, not a new gun). that's kinda bull-headed, glad he gave in and will test a new one.
rob
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So, good job. You got what you wanted.
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you are not alone in the minority. i asked bb for this review as a fair shake for the daisy. testing an older gun is not representative of any 880 you could buy anywhere but a garage sale (and we know to expect any gun bought there to be a project, not a new gun). that's kinda bull-headed, glad he gave in and will test a new one.
rob
could have used that statement from you this morning on the blog comments. I was in a small minority who understood what you just said.
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So, good job. You got what you wanted.
no I got a fair shake for Daisy. Tweed said it best above me here. The current 880 review is a tag sale review.
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His Review of the 2200 was a used rifle also...
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006/11/crosman-2200-part-2/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006/11/crosman-2200-part-2/)
it was rebuilt...
rebuilding old Daisys is harder to find parts but not impossible but usually a bit $$ more.
Daisy is not perfect and neither am I.
The current 880 is not as good as the old 880 was but the same can be said of the 2100.
QC on both nowdays ???
I do understand your point but maybe you could understand a bit also...
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@K.O.:
You can buy parts from Daisy. And as far as seals go the new ones fit the older guns. Thankfuly there is very little difference between the first 880 and the current ones, from a functional point of view.
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I grew up with Daisy, and I think they were great guns, although when I look at the models today, I feel a bit disappointed, because they don't look as well made as the ones I had.
For instance, my old model 840 had a plastic stock, even back in 1979 when I got it for my 10th birthday. But it was that rich, dark, brown color, and it looked like a traditional hunting rifle. Today's model 840 rifles come in either ugly-as-sin camouflage, or "Grizzly black," neither of which is aesthetically pleasing, at least IMHO. Also, the cocking action on the new 840 rifles feels as if the action doesn't close properly; it feels like there is about a 1/8" gap between the rifle and the plastic arm, even after you've cocked it. And it is even apparent in the pictures that you see online. Take a look: [Both pictures can be zoomed in by clicking on them.]
(http://www.daisy.com/sites/default/files/field/image/840B_Grizzly_Rifle.jpg)
Can you tell how the cocking action looks like it is slanted to the bottom left, and doesn't come back completely flush with the bottom of the gun?
The old 840 that I had did not have this issue.
Look:
(http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/13268/13828676_6.jpg?v=8CF5EFBD8F89020)
This is an image of an older 840 that I found on the internet. Note how the bottom of the cocking action is even with the bottom of the gun. Also, don't you guys like the look of the old 840 better? Or am I just out of step with the times?
I have an old model 840 that I bought recently on EBay for 10 dollars, and it looked intact, and in great shape, but when I fired it, it became obvious that the seals were gone, because when I fired it, the snap sounded weak, and the pellet never left the barrel.
I am sure that there is no debris in the barrel, and that it was not an issue of pellet deformity, because I tested 4 different types of pellets, all with the same result. Each time, the pellet was EASILY removed by simply pushing it out with a cleaning rod. If the pellet had been deformed, or if there had been debris present, I would have felt resistance when I pushed with the rod. I felt no resistance at all; the pellet glided out with the rod's slightest touch.
I had intended to give it to my 7 year old son, but when it failed to shoot, I was forced to trot down to Wal-Mart and buy him a "Grizzly Black" 840.
Do you guys know a good place to get my 840 re-sealed? I have contacted (about 30 minutes ago I sent an email) Daisy, but I got an auto-reply that said a response could be as many as 5 business days from now.
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I can't answer your question but I do agree the old 840 was a better looking gun.
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I had a 2 year old daisy and bought a new one. The new one shoots straight and is powerful, but you can see that some parts are not as precisely aligned as in the older one. I had to move the rear sight to the extreme right to zero it. The trigger is MUCH stiffer than on the old one. With the world economy being what it is, I expect that each year will bring slighter cheaper, less well made parts.
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Don't send you old 840 to Daisy to be repaired. They will just send you a new model 840 and keep your old one. That is what a friend of mine did with his old 880 gold side, sent it to Daisy and they kept his gun and sent him a new one. I would try to find someone that works on the older 840 or fix it myself. IMO.
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daisy changed the 901 this past year, the stock and left receiver was once 1 piece and made for a solid gun while pumping. now the stock is separate and fits on with a machine screw on each side. still solid but i don't think it as solid as it once was. the new stock fits into the metal housing inside, there is a metal insert in the stock that lines up with the hole in the metal inside, the machine screws go on each side to keep it tight. i went and ordered a new stock that has the left receiver molded together and a right receiver, if i ever have trouble i've got it covered.
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Sent a question to Daisy about a bad seal in my 15xt pistol. Today got two seals in the mail. No charge - hard to beat that for service.
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Daisy has customer service down. They are wonderful to deal with.
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@K.O.:
You can buy parts from Daisy. And as far as seals go the new ones fit the older guns. Thankfuly there is very little difference between the first 880 and the current ones, from a functional point of view.
This is why I think there is a need for a place to learn about Daisys...
what little info I found said that they had changed and there is no info on what commonly available parts fit and interchange.
Or what you can make yourself...
There is good info on the x53 series but that is about it.
I do wish they would post evps but they do send them if asked for.
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Don't forget the Model 499 Avanti Champion BB 5 meter target rifle. I would like to have one of those some day.
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Don't forget the Model 499 Avanti Champion BB 5 meter target rifle. I would like to have one of those some day.
I have often wondered just how much oomph you could add to a smoothbore with just the right barrel and ammo for the barrel...
think it could be accurate to 15 yards..?
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2013/03/shooting-the-daisy-avanti-champion-499-at-10-meters/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2013/03/shooting-the-daisy-avanti-champion-499-at-10-meters/)
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I grew up with Daisy, and I think they were great guns, although when I look at the models today, I feel a bit disappointed, because they don't look as well made as the ones I had.
For instance, my old model 840 had a plastic stock, even back in 1979 when I got it for my 10th birthday. But it was that rich, dark, brown color, and it looked like a traditional hunting rifle. Today's model 840 rifles come in either ugly-as-sin camouflage, or "Grizzly black," neither of which is aesthetically pleasing, at least IMHO. Also, the cocking action on the new 840 rifles feels as if the action doesn't close properly; it feels like there is about a 1/8" gap between the rifle and the plastic arm, even after you've cocked it. And it is even apparent in the pictures that you see online. Take a look: [Both pictures can be zoomed in by clicking on them.]
(http://www.daisy.com/sites/default/files/field/image/840B_Grizzly_Rifle.jpg)
Can you tell how the cocking action looks like it is slanted to the bottom left, and doesn't come back completely flush with the bottom of the gun?
The old 840 that I had did not have this issue.
Look:
(http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/13268/13828676_6.jpg?v=8CF5EFBD8F89020)
This is an image of an older 840 that I found on the internet. Note how the bottom of the cocking action is even with the bottom of the gun. Also, don't you guys like the look of the old 840 better? Or am I just out of step with the times?
I have an old model 840 that I bought recently on EBay for 10 dollars, and it looked intact, and in great shape, but when I fired it, it became obvious that the seals were gone, because when I fired it, the snap sounded weak, and the pellet never left the barrel.
I am sure that there is no debris in the barrel, and that it was not an issue of pellet deformity, because I tested 4 different types of pellets, all with the same result. Each time, the pellet was EASILY removed by simply pushing it out with a cleaning rod. If the pellet had been deformed, or if there had been debris present, I would have felt resistance when I pushed with the rod. I felt no resistance at all; the pellet glided out with the rod's slightest touch.
I had intended to give it to my 7 year old son, but when it failed to shoot, I was forced to trot down to Wal-Mart and buy him a "Grizzly Black" 840.
Do you guys know a good place to get my 840 re-sealed? I have contacted (about 30 minutes ago I sent an email) Daisy, but I got an auto-reply that said a response could be as many as 5 business days from now.
I've got an old 840 and like its looks quite a bit. It reminds me of an old classic pump 12 gauge.
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i took the 880 out to the river today. as i walked out around the overflow pond i set up a anti-freeze jug i found out there (our river/lake has a ring of floating trash at the high-water/flood mark). i walked around and shot across the water (Google earth measured as 77 m/~250 ft). daisy hit the jug about 75% of the time with about 1/2 of the front sight for hold-over. I'm impressed. i think this gun could really be impressive.
rob
PS: the pellet went through the first side but not the second. crosman premier hp-tin.
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Good question. The 499, if I recall correctly, shoots at not quite 300 fps, so distance is a big enemy of that gun.
Don't forget the Model 499 Avanti Champion BB 5 meter target rifle. I would like to have one of those some day.
I have often wondered just how much oomph you could add to a smoothbore with just the right barrel and ammo for the barrel...
think it could be accurate to 15 yards..?
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2013/03/shooting-the-daisy-avanti-champion-499-at-10-meters/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2013/03/shooting-the-daisy-avanti-champion-499-at-10-meters/)
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499 shoots at 275 to 280... and it will shoot far enough to surprise you... but your enemy is more the sight system... it will cover the target.
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being this thread is the default Daisy Gate, I am linking this short thread to it. A small yet VERY important piece of information on Daisy's. If your Daisy is shooting inconsistent FPS strings, losing air, not pumping to enough pressure etc. Or you JUST want your Daisy to operate up to snuff, check out this very short thread. It should be a sticky on the Daisy gate. ;)
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=63773.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=63773.0)
and this one from my personal experiences.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=61136.msg585960#msg585960 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=61136.msg585960#msg585960)
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Re: Daisy 880: Can someone please clarify?
A few weeks ago I was trying to fix a Daisy 880 and took everything apart but the trigger mechanism. One thing I was looking for, but never found, was the VALVE where air enters the compression chamber. The piston head has no hole in it, nor the did part that fits into the bottom of the compression chamber. Can someone create even a crude drawing to clarify (or at least explain)? Next time I try to fix one of these I hope to have better results.
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Re: Daisy 880: Can someone please clarify?
A few weeks ago I was trying to fix a Daisy 880 and took everything apart but the trigger mechanism. One thing I was looking for, but never found, was the VALVE where air enters the compression chamber. The piston head has no hole in it, nor the did part that fits into the bottom of the compression chamber. Can someone create even a crude drawing to clarify (or at least explain)? Next time I try to fix one of these I hope to have better results.
The piston needs to be solid, the air is drawn into the pump tube when the pistin reaches the top of stroke and uncovers a slit in the side of the tube.
The check valve is the rubber and metal assembly that the pistom pushes into as it closes, this alows air into the air chamber though not out.
I hope that this helps.
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Re: The piston needs to be solid, the air is drawn into the pump tube when the piston reaches the top of stroke and uncovers a slit in the side of the tube. The check valve is the rubber and metal assembly that the piston pushes into as it closes, this allows air into the air chamber though not out.
Okay, so the check valve is some sort of one-way valve. When I looked at it, I didn't see any opening for air, and that's what was confusing. Thanks very much!
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keep daisy on top!
(sorry for the innuendo...)
rob
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We do need a forum for Daisy owners/Shooters . I woundn't trade my Red Ryder or 880 for anything. I do most of my shooting at 10 meters and the 880, I bought it new for $35, shoots dead on even with cheap pellets like the beeman pointed pellets.
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RE: The 880, I bought it new for $35, shoots dead on even with cheap pellets like the beeman pointed pellets.
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A friend of mine picked up my Daisy 880 for the first time and exclaimed "It's plastic!" I said "Yes, but it's powerful and it shoots straighter than guns costing five times as much." I've always thought that Daisy should make an upscale version with a wood stock (and metal receiver?) It would be a winner. Accurate, no recoil, variable velocity, effortless pumping, loves many pellets. But people want that "real rifle" feel.
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RE: The 880, I bought it new for $35, shoots dead on even with cheap pellets like the beeman pointed pellets.
A friend of mine picked up my Daisy 880 for the first time and exclaimed "It's plastic!" I said "Yes, but it's powerful and it shoots straighter than guns costing five times as much." I've always thought that Daisy should make an upscale version with a wood stock (and metal receiver?) It would be a winner. Accurate, no recoil, variable velocity, effortless pumping, loves many pellets. But people want that "real rifle" feel.
I think it is more the association with some of the truly cheapo AirGuns. If people would actually give the gun a fair shake with out worrying about the amount of plastic they would find it to be one of the best MSP air guns on the market.
People say that they want a wood stock and metal receiver, then if they get it they complain about how heavy it is to lug around when hunting and/or hiking.
Yes the Daisy 880, Daisy 901, and Winchester 77x (all the same exact gun with different clothing) are externally made of plastic, though they are very durable, and they have more metal in them than most competing MSP Airguns. Even the Current model Crosman 2100B has more cheap plastic in it than the Daisy 880, it just is not as visible so people do not mention it.
Besides where else are you going to get an MSP Airgun that can shoot over 700FPS with real world lead 7.9 grain pellets and be more accurate than any of my modded Croaman MSPs (all include accuracy mods) with out spending more than $50?
I had a chance to prove that my Daisy 880 will shoot 10 pellet quarter size groups at 60 yards, prone shooting position. And it did (there were a couple of groups that had a flyer or two do to the wind). I realy need to get a camera that I can set up for shooting sessions.
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RE: The 880, I bought it new for $35, shoots dead on even with cheap pellets like the beeman pointed pellets.
A friend of mine picked up my Daisy 880 for the first time and exclaimed "It's plastic!" I said "Yes, but it's powerful and it shoots straighter than guns costing five times as much." I've always thought that Daisy should make an upscale version with a wood stock (and metal receiver?) It would be a winner. Accurate, no recoil, variable velocity, effortless pumping, loves many pellets. But people want that "real rifle" feel.
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they did. It flopped. The 177x. A metal receiver, wood stock 880. Out of production. Was also available in .22 as a 22sg.
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RE: The 880, I bought it new for $35, shoots dead on even with cheap pellets like the beeman pointed pellets.
A friend of mine picked up my Daisy 880 for the first time and exclaimed "It's plastic!" I said "Yes, but it's powerful and it shoots straighter than guns costing five times as much." I've always thought that Daisy should make an upscale version with a wood stock (and metal receiver?) It would be a winner. Accurate, no recoil, variable velocity, effortless pumping, loves many pellets. But people want that "real rifle" feel.
I think it is more the association with some of the truly cheapo AirGuns. If people would actually give the gun a fair shake with out worrying about the amount of plastic they would find it to be one of the best MSP air guns on the market.
People say that they want a wood stock and metal receiver, then if they get it they complain about how heavy it is to lug around when hunting and/or hiking.
Yes the Daisy 880, Daisy 901, and Winchester 77x (all the same exact gun with different clothing) are externally made of plastic, though they are very durable, and they have more metal in them than most competing MSP Airguns. Even the Current model Crosman 2100B has more cheap plastic in it than the Daisy 880, it just is not as visible so people do not mention it.
Besides where else are you going to get an MSP Airgun that can shoot over 700FPS with real world lead 7.9 grain pellets and be more accurate than any of my modded Croaman MSPs (all include accuracy mods) with out spending more than $50?
I had a chance to prove that my Daisy 880 will shoot 10 pellet quarter size groups at 60 yards, prone shooting position. And it did (there were a couple of groups that had a flyer or two do to the wind). I realy need to get a camera that I can set up for shooting sessions.
I'm sure glad you like you 880 at over 700fps. Mine I got for Christmas 2012 is lucky to get 350fps.
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I'm sure glad you like you 880 at over 700fps. Mine I got for Christmas 2012 is lucky to get 350fps.
Have you resealed it? Do you oil it with 30wt ND oil? Are you pumping it a full ten times?
If it is a Daisy 880 it would be difficult to shoot that low. There would have to be something very wrong with the gun for a Daisy 880 to only shoot up to 350FPS.
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I'm sure glad you like you 880 at over 700fps. Mine I got for Christmas 2012 is lucky to get 350fps.
Have you resealed it? Do you oil it with 30wt ND oil? Are you pumping it a full ten times?
If it is a Daisy 880 it would be difficult to shoot that low. There would have to be something very wrong with the gun for a Daisy 880 to only shoot up to 350FPS.
I did not do anything to it. I put some pellgun oil on the pump cup, shot it a bit, got the Chrony out and shot it with Daisy BB's, older Daisy pellets and some Chrosman pellets. Could not get it over 350fps. I should have had my son take it back to Wallyworld, but I did not. Was very disappointed in its performance. Still am. :P And yes, I was pumping 10 times.
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I'm sure glad you like you 880 at over 700fps. Mine I got for Christmas 2012 is lucky to get 350fps.
Have you resealed it? Do you oil it with 30wt ND oil? Are you pumping it a full ten times?
If it is a Daisy 880 it would be difficult to shoot that low. There would have to be something very wrong with the gun for a Daisy 880 to only shoot up to 350FPS.
I did not do anything to it. I put some pellgun oil on the pump cup, shot it a bit, got the Chrony out and shot it with Daisy BB's, older Daisy pellets and some Chrosman pellets. Could not get it over 350fps. I should have had my son take it back to Wallyworld, but I did not. Was very disappointed in its performance. Still am. :P And yes, I was pumping 10 times.
I would highly recommend getting another Daisy 880, it is a good gun. It sounds like you got the low end of the QC spectrum.
Also you should use 30 weight non detergent oil for oiling the gun. You soak the felt Oil wiper.
I would like to know what pump cup? The Daisy 880 has a flat top metal piston with an oil ring. The only cup seal of any form is the check seal.
I would highly recommend getting another Daisy 880, it is a good gun. It sounds like you got the low end of the QC spectrum.
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I'm sure glad you like you 880 at over 700fps. Mine I got for Christmas 2012 is lucky to get 350fps.
Have you resealed it? Do you oil it with 30wt ND oil? Are you pumping it a full ten times?
If it is a Daisy 880 it would be difficult to shoot that low. There would have to be something very wrong with the gun for a Daisy 880 to only shoot up to 350FPS.
I did not do anything to it. I put some pellgun oil on the pump cup, shot it a bit, got the Chrony out and shot it with Daisy BB's, older Daisy pellets and some Chrosman pellets. Could not get it over 350fps.
and there is problem number 1. Wrong oil. Just humor me and put some 30wt nd in it. And retest it.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=63773.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=63773.0)
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Thanks for the info. and encouragement. I'll try to get by Wallyworld for the oil. As far as buying another 880, I wouldn't waist the money. I have a "real" 880 that just needs new seals. It is so old it doesn't have the diamond on the forearm. Besides, I have a good Daisy. I have a 953.
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Love my 953 so much I made it into a practice rifle substitute for my muzzleloading offhand target rifle. It's not very powerful but for target practice at 10 meters it is more than plenty. Shooting from a rest with 4X scope I get 1/4" groups with Daisy flat nose pellets and that is far better than I can hold offhand with open sights. I also would like to see a "Daisy Gate" rather than 16 pages of one topic.
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I definitely like my Daisy 880. Today I did some plinking and was puting pellets strait through 2 1 galon milk jugs filled with water with each shot (until most of the water all ran out the pellet hols) at 20 yards.
And every shot landed inside the little D where it says "Vitamin D". :) .
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Thanks for the info. and encouragement. I'll try to get by Wallyworld for the oil. As far as buying another 880, I wouldn't waist the money. I have a "real" 880 that just needs new seals. It is so old it doesn't have the diamond on the forearm. Besides, I have a good Daisy. I have a 953.
You are welcome. And I can relate. I will never waste my hard earned cash on another 13xx. Have to invest too much money into it to get a carbine that shoots as good as an 880. IMHO the stock 13xx out of the blisterpack is nothing short of a paperweight. So I can relate. We all have our experiences and opinions.
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Tom... lets not get crazy... the 1377 is a great air pistol in its own right... and yes, better than a 880 any day. Is solid,tunable, and will weather the passing of time much better. All you need is a 1399 stock and that is everything you need to get a great hunter/plinker carbine. With no extra investment you can get a 13xx to shoot 600 fps with med weight pellets. The barrels are excellent and the sights being their achilles heels are workable... Take a little white nail polish and dab the front sight to make it more visible. spend some time working on the peep sight on the back (i drill it out a bit so is is almost a battle sight...). Yes we make 300 dollar 13xx guns all the time... but truth be told we all know that the stock gun was good enough for anything that a 880 may do...
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Tom... lets not get crazy... the 1377 is a great air pistol in its own right... and yes, better than a 880 any day. Is solid,tunable, and will weather the passing of time much better. All you need is a 1399 stock and that is everything you need to get a great hunter/plinker carbine. With no extra investment you can get a 13xx to shoot 600 fps with med weight pellets. The barrels are excellent and the sights being their achilles heels are workable... Take a little white nail polish and dab the front sight to make it more visible. spend some time working on the peep sight on the back (i drill it out a bit so is is almost a battle sight...). Yes we make 300 dollar 13xx guns all the time... but truth be told we all know that the stock gun was good enough for anything that a 880 may do...
that is my opinion. 13xx, $59, steel breech, $35, barrel, $12, metal barrel band $50, stock $12 for a 2289 stock or $22 for a 13xx stock. Plus your own labor to cut and crown the barrel.
That is why I have my opinion, and it is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
Invest $130 to $150 into a 13xx vs, $44 for an 880.
Again, my opinion. Based on my own personal experiences. An 880 is a great shooting sub $50 AG. I just get sick and tired of it being bashed..that is all. And yeah, I really am NOT a fan of the 13xx platform. A lot of people like it, and I am truly happy for them.
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@stonykill:
I must agree with the Daisy 880 being a much better gun for cost than the 13xx/2289. I have spent about $110 on my main 2289 (including the gun), and $43 on my Daisy 880 (including the gun). My Daisy 880 is much more accurate than any of my Crosman guns.
Even before modding the Daisy 880 was quite powerful, and now it is the most powerful .177 cal AirGun I have with only about $2 in mods.
Also the Daisy 880 is easy to pump and a joy to shoot.
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I've been pretty disappointed in my Crosman 1389. It's a cute little carbine and handles very well but is neither powerful nor accurate. I only chronographed one type of pellet, the Crosman flat nose and ten pumps gave 487 fps. My Daisy 953 can nearly match that with one pump. For accuracy testing I mounted a Gamo 3-7x scope and shot groups with 5 pumps at 33 feet as follows:
Crosman FP--------1.6"
Daisy HP-----------2.3"
Daisy FP-----------1.8"
Daisy pointed-----1.6"
Crosman pointed-1.2"
I removed the front sight and found the screw hole was drilled through into the bore. I don't know if this was the cause of the poor accuracy but it surely couldn't help so I cut the barrel back behind the screw hole and re-crowned. Nope, overall it didn't help, it was better with some pellets and worse with others. After shortening the barrel I got groups as follows:
Crosman FP---------1.15" slight improvement
Crosman pointed---1.73" worse
Daisy FP------------2.15" slightly worse
Daisy pointed------0.73" Best group ever from this gun but still pretty sad.
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I would love a Daisy forum that would include all Avanti's also!
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So there I was sitting there sitting there thinking about the 30wtND oil and it came to me. Compressor oil is 30wt and it has to be ND or it will foam up in the crank case. I have some Sta-lube compressor oil. I think I will try it. What do you think? I used to work at a compressor repair shop and the oil we used was 30wtND. ;)
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So there I was sitting there sitting there thinking about the 30wtND oil and it came to me. Compressor oil is 30wt and it has to be ND or it will foam up in the crank case. I have some Sta-lube compressor oil. I think I will try it. What do you think? I used to work at a compressor repair shop and the oil we used was 30wtND. ;)
should be the same thing yes. If it were my oil and my AG I would use it. ;)
It certainly is worth a try. It will either make your AG better, or it will verify that you got a dud. Either way.... you know. A win/win. While you are at it put some in your "real" 880 that needs seals and see what happens.
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today my co worker showed up with a daisy model 35 smoothbore he picked up at a pawn shop for 10 bucks... really nice smoothbore shooter! it blows the 760 out of the water... and for a smoothbore it shot RWS meisterkulgens into a little 1/2 inch cluster on a taco bell cup at 12 paces...worth looking into if you are looking for a 760 for your kids, or you just want a smooth pumping rat blaster... daisys. never ceases to amaze me...
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I find it interesting that there is a lot of interest in the Daisy Airguns here though yet on the daisy forum over at network54 is dead.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/392756/ (http://www.network54.com/Forum/392756/)
Why is this, the air gun forums over there generally have a lot of good stuff, and the general Airgun forum over there has some mention of Daisy guns.
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Imagine you have a girlfriend who is very talented with many skills and good at everything she does. She’s always by your side and easy to hold. She asks little of you and gives you everything. But you don’t fully appreciate her, because she’s plain looking and doesn’t come from a pedigreed family.
Her name is Daisy…..
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Imagine you have a girlfriend who is very talented with many skills and good at everything she does. She’s always by your side and easy to hold. She asks little of you and gives you everything. But you don’t fully appreciate her, because she’s plain looking and doesn’t come from a pedigreed family.
Her name is Daisy…..
The description is nice. I do appreciate Daisy.
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my wife would not appreciate me having a girl friend ;)
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OK, Daisy dudes, let's get off the 880 and on to something else. How do you referb a 1200? And I need pictures, please. Mine, you put CO2 in it, it's OK, shoot and it goes burrrrrppp. Does not seam to have the power that is had when it was new.
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can't help you there Duck but I also need to fix my Daisy model 92 pistol. Or find someone to fix it. It also is missing one part. The part that holds the pellets in and allows the trigger to operate >:(
Pretty cool pellet pistol. Pellet only :D
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http://www.bakerairguns.com/
Authorized repair for out-of-warranty Daisy products.
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I do have one complaint about my Daisy 880. Every so often I like to have a new toy, so I decided to buy a telescopic site. The only problem is, I can't rationalize spending the money, because the Daisy shoots so straight with open sights, that a scope wouldn't be an improvement.
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the Daisy shoots so straight with open sights, that a scope wouldn't be an improvement.
That's an easy fix:
1) Keep your current 880 un-scoped, just the way it is.
2) Buy ANOTHER 880 and scope it; then you can make videos of shooting tests, comparisons, etc. and post them on here for us to watch :D
And you can justify the expenditure as being in the name of airgun research! :D
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http://www.bakerairguns.com/
Authorized repair for out-of-warranty Daisy products.
I just talked to Dennis there. I'm takeing my Daisy 106 down to have him take a look at.
They're pretty close to me and said he has a barn full of old stuff!
I might be in trouble.
;D
I mentioned GTA as my source. Hope that's cool.
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I do have one complaint about my Daisy 880. Every so often I like to have a new toy, so I decided to buy a telescopic site. The only problem is, I can't rationalize spending the money, because the Daisy shoots so straight with open sights, that a scope wouldn't be an improvement.
Start doing some target shooting out past 40 yards :) . That will give you an excuse to scope your Daisy 880. And so long as you can compensate for drop and wind accurately it can make some very small groups out as far as 100 yards (1.2 inches for me at 105 Yards standing with out a rest, though I am not a very good shot).
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DavidS... that is fantastic!!!! most people with high end PCPs cant match those groups at 100 yards...wow.
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DavidS... that is fantastic!!!! most people with high end PCPs cant match those groups at 100 yards...wow.
Well thank you, though i know that my Daisy 880 can do much better than that. It shoots much better than I do.
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I do have one complaint about my Daisy 880. Every so often I like to have a new toy, so I decided to buy a telescopic site. The only problem is, I can't rationalize spending the money, because the Daisy shoots so straight with open sights, that a scope wouldn't be an improvement.
Start doing some target shooting out past 40 yards :) . That will give you an excuse to scope your Daisy 880. And so long as you can compensate for drop and wind accurately it can make some very small groups out as far as 100 yards (1.2 inches for me at 105 Yards standing with out a rest, though I am not a very good shot).
"Not a very good shot"!! I think 1.2 inches at 105 yards would be good enough to take the Olympic gold metal.
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I do have one complaint about my Daisy 880. Every so often I like to have a new toy, so I decided to buy a telescopic site. The only problem is, I can't rationalize spending the money, because the Daisy shoots so straight with open sights, that a scope wouldn't be an improvement.
Start doing some target shooting out past 40 yards :) . That will give you an excuse to scope your Daisy 880. And so long as you can compensate for drop and wind accurately it can make some very small groups out as far as 100 yards (1.2 inches for me at 105 Yards standing with out a rest, though I am not a very good shot).
"Not a very good shot"!! I think 1.2 inches at 105 yards would be good enough to take the Olympic gold metal.
Not by a long run. How many people hunt pest birds out that far, and need to hit a 0.25 inch area for a clean kill. As I said I am not a very good shot.
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Start doing some target shooting out past 40 yards :) . That will give you an excuse to scope your Daisy 880. And so long as you can compensate for drop and wind accurately it can make some very small groups out as far as 100 yards (1.2 inches for me at 105 Yards standing with out a rest, though I am not a very good shot).
1.2 inches at 105 yards sounds really good! That must be very satisfying. So far my backyard limits me to 25 yards ( it's a suburban area surrounded by farms). I would love the challenge of targets at 100 yards. I'm relatively new to this area and haven't found an appropriate location yet. At those distances do you use a spotting scope to see the hit, or can you see it with the scope?
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105 yards is close enough to 100 meters so if we scale that back to a 10 meter target that means you are putting 100% of your shots into 0.12" at 10 meters, offhand with a Daisy 880, except that the 10 meter shooting would be very much easier with no wind or bullet drop to enlarge the group. One inch at 100 yards from a bench rest is excellent accuracy.
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105 yards is close enough to 100 meters so if we scale that back to a 10 meter target that means you are putting 100% of your shots into 0.12" at 10 meters, offhand with a Daisy 880, except that the 10 meter shooting would be very much easier with no wind or bullet drop to enlarge the group. One inch at 100 yards from a bench rest is excellent accuracy.
Unfortunately I only get about 0.2 inch groups at 10 Meters. For some reason getting the 1.2 inch groups at 105 yards is easier. I think it has to do with psycology.
Though as I said how many hunt pigeon at those distances? They have to have a reliable 0.25 inch group at that distance. So my shot is not impressive at all.
Though thank you for making me feel good.
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Start doing some target shooting out past 40 yards :) . That will give you an excuse to scope your Daisy 880. And so long as you can compensate for drop and wind accurately it can make some very small groups out as far as 100 yards (1.2 inches for me at 105 Yards standing with out a rest, though I am not a very good shot).
1.2 inches at 105 yards sounds really good! That must be very satisfying. So far my backyard limits me to 25 yards ( it's a suburban area surrounded by farms). I would love the challenge of targets at 100 yards. I'm relatively new to this area and haven't found an appropriate location yet. At those distances do you use a spotting scope to see the hit, or can you see it with the scope?
It depends on the target. Some I can see with the scope, some require a spotting scope, or just waiting to recover the target.
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I hunt crows far, but the farthest shot i have ever taken was 93 yards on a crow, using a RWS 54 in .177. shooting crow magnums it hit him square on the breast (i was going for a head/neck shot) but the damage was such that the last flight was a downward spiral... as i said, if you can shoot 1.2 inches at 100+, god blessed you... How many shots on those groups???
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holy schisnitzzzz!!!! i just found the daisy gate!!!!! where have i been...
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I found it yesterday aftrnoon :D
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So there I was sitting there sitting there thinking about the 30wtND oil and it came to me. Compressor oil is 30wt and it has to be ND or it will foam up in the crank case. I have some Sta-lube compressor oil. I think I will try it. What do you think? I used to work at a compressor repair shop and the oil we used was 30wtND. ;)
should be the same thing yes. If it were my oil and my AG I would use it. ;)
It certainly is worth a try. It will either make your AG better, or it will verify that you got a dud. Either way.... you know. A win/win. While you are at it put some in your "real" 880 that needs seals and see what happens.
On my older Daisy air guns it was always suggested using 20wt oil. I looked at all the auto store in my area and could not find 20wt anywhere. Then one day in my garage, I looked at a can 3 and1 oil and it is 20wt. I have been using that for years and it works great. It also has the little spout that makes oiling so easy.
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105 yards is close enough to 100 meters so if we scale that back to a 10 meter target that means you are putting 100% of your shots into 0.12" at 10 meters, offhand with a Daisy 880, except that the 10 meter shooting would be very much easier with no wind or bullet drop to enlarge the group. One inch at 100 yards from a bench rest is excellent accuracy.
Unfortunately I only get about 0.2 inch groups at 10 Meters. For some reason getting the 1.2 inch groups at 105 yards is easier. I think it has to do with psycology.
Though as I said how many hunt pigeon at those distances? They have to have a reliable 0.25 inch group at that distance. So my shot is not impressive at all.
Though thank you for making me feel good
DavidS what is the holdover with an 880 @ 100 yard?
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With Winchester pointed 9.68 grain pellets it is 57.82 inches (12 pumps). I use a 4x mill dot scope (forget the brand).
So it comes out to about 7.6 mil dots after I adjust my scope :) .
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Also we no longer need to use this thread as the Daisy Gate, because there is now a real Daisy Gate, we can use more threads :) .
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With Winchester pointed 9.68 grain pellets it is 57.82 inches (12 pumps). I use a 4x mill dot scope (forget the brand).
So it comes out to about 7.6 mil dots after I adjust my scope :) .
And with my power modded Daisy 880 it is 48.46 inches with Winchester Pointed 9.68 grain at 12 pumps.
So I end up with a hold over on my adjusted scope of 5.4 mil dots (aprox).
Sorry for the imprecise answer, it is a lot experience and intuition in setting the scope.
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Sorry I made a typo, it is a 6x mil dot scope.
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Has anyone ever used a peep sight with a daisy 880, or improvised a sight? It's difficult to fine tune the current sight with that one screw.
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Has anyone ever used a peep sight with a daisy 880, or improvised a sight? It's difficult to fine tune the current sight with that one screw.
I have no trouble with the stock sight for open sight shooting. I just loosen it barely enough to adjust it for windage while keeping it tight enough that it is stiff to move then get it adjusted and tighten it back down.
Though it should be fairly easy to make your own sight to replace it, if you really do not like it.
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I have tried a few different scopes with my Daisy 880, and they are helpful out past 40 yards, though anything closer I prefer the open sights that the 880 comes with. I did a good of testing to see what works best for me. To day I put 100 pellets into targets at various ranges with the stock Open Sights.
Now if I could just have that nice of sights on my Crosman 66's :) .
Next I will be trying the Daisy Electronic Point Sight (Red Dot), to see how I like it. It will be my first experience with a dot sight.
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@Alanheal:
I guess that things are in concert for the timing of your question :) .
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Folks - now that we have a Daisygate please use it rather than posting here. If we want to keep it we need keep it rolling.
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Perhaps a moderator could lock the thread?
...And then perhaps make it a sticky? So that we can all have an archive of the first Daisy thread to look at and feel nostalgic about? :)
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This seems to be the new DAISY GATE :
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=64351.new;topicseen#new (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=64351.new;topicseen#new)
Is there some way to move these posts to that new forum?
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This seems to be the new DAISY GATE :
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=64351.new;topicseen#new (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=64351.new;topicseen#new)
Is there some way to move these posts to that new forum?
That thread is one thread inside of the Daisy Gate, this thread has also been moved inside the Daisy Gate.
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This whole thread is now on Daisygate.
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Yes, hence my request to the moderator to lock it and sticky it :)
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look above... its the daisy gate already, in the US man. gate...
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Daisy,Daisy is the subject. That is what this thread is about. Just go with the flow. MELLOW,MELLOW. 8) 8) 8)