Daisy

[tweedking]

higher price for thumb hole stock......

[DavidS]

Ok For a long time I had pretty much ignored Daisy Air Guns.   When I was young one of the higher power .177 MSPs that I shot was a Daisy (not sure of the model), though in the last decade it seems that every one was saying that Daisy does not make any high power Air guns any more, I think that these are based on the association of the Daisy Red Rider.

Now I am getting very much into Daisy Air Guns after a very short time with my new Daisy 880.   I am considering adding more Daisy Air guns to my collection.

I have not yet chronied my 880, the FPE in my signature is based on what others report for the gun.  Though based on comparing the penetration through water in a bucket to guns that I know well, I would say that it is at least that powerful, maybe a little more.

DAISY DOES MAKE EXCELLENT HIGH POWER MULTISTROKE PNEUMATIC AIR GUNS, STILL

And I believe that my focus is going to be making a slight shift.  I will always like the Crosman Guns.   Though Daisy is a good 9FPE gun in stock form, to get that kind of power from Crosman in a stock that has not been modified you are going to spend at least $130 on a Benjamin 397.   And despite what many say the Daisy Powerline series of MSP Air guns are moddable.

Almost forgot: DAISY GATE.

[K.O.]

Ok For a long time I had pretty much ignored Daisy Air Guns.   When I was young one of the higher power .177 MSPs that I shot was a Daisy (not sure of the model), though in the last decade it seems that every one was saying that Daisy does not make any high power Air guns any more, I think that these are based on the association of the Daisy Red Rider.

Now I am getting very much into Daisy Air Guns after a very short time with my new Daisy 880.   I am considering adding more Daisy Air guns to my collection.

I have not yet chronied my 880, the FPE in my signature is based on what others report for the gun.  Though based on comparing the penetration through water in a bucket to guns that I know well, I would say that it is at least that powerful, maybe a little more.

DAISY DOES MAKE EXCELLENT HIGH POWER MULTISTROKE PNEUMATIC AIR GUNS, STILL

And I believe that my focus is going to be making a slight shift.  I will always like the Crosman Guns.   Though Daisy is a good 9FPE gun in stock form, to get that kind of power from Crosman in a stock that has not been modified you are going to spend at least $130 on a Benjamin 397.   And despite what many say the Daisy Powerline series of MSP Air guns are moddable.

Almost forgot: DAISY GATE.

Look I do not mean to be a butt but the 880 is less than 7 fpe stock many of the times and while they may be modable any thing is...

and my 2100 stock was ~ 8.5 fpe many are... some just a touch better and some worse many of the guys that report 625-650 fps from their

2100 is most likely from not oiling.

I  am not against the 880 but what you are saying is not correct I wish I had the cash to pickup ten new 880s and ten 2100s to prove it to

you...

If you are basing your  daisy 880 fpe figures off this vid his readings are very likely inflated because of being to close to the crony.

the 880 is a good rifle but so is the 2100 and you do not get  9 fpe out of either stock...

By the way 495 fps is what my 853 shooting now all I did was get a .5" nylon bushing from ace and drill it out to 3/8 and then cut to length

and insert in valve.

I shot my best five shot side rested 20 yard group with it today  basicly a four leaf clover and then 1 about .3 low...

Daisy...

[DavidS]

Ok For a long time I had pretty much ignored Daisy Air Guns.   When I was young one of the higher power .177 MSPs that I shot was a Daisy (not sure of the model), though in the last decade it seems that every one was saying that Daisy does not make any high power Air guns any more, I think that these are based on the association of the Daisy Red Rider.

Now I am getting very much into Daisy Air Guns after a very short time with my new Daisy 880.   I am considering adding more Daisy Air guns to my collection.

I have not yet chronied my 880, the FPE in my signature is based on what others report for the gun.  Though based on comparing the penetration through water in a bucket to guns that I know well, I would say that it is at least that powerful, maybe a little more.

DAISY DOES MAKE EXCELLENT HIGH POWER MULTISTROKE PNEUMATIC AIR GUNS, STILL

And I believe that my focus is going to be making a slight shift.  I will always like the Crosman Guns.   Though Daisy is a good 9FPE gun in stock form, to get that kind of power from Crosman in a stock that has not been modified you are going to spend at least $130 on a Benjamin 397.   And despite what many say the Daisy Powerline series of MSP Air guns are moddable.

Almost forgot: DAISY GATE.

Look I do not mean to be a butt but the 880 is less than 7 fpe stock many of the times and while they may be modable any thing is...

and my 2100 stock was ~ 8.5 fpe many are... some just a touch better and some worse many of the guys that report 625-650 fps from their

2100 is most likely from not oiling.

Ok I can see consistently getting 8FPE from a 100% stock 2100 if it is kept well oiled.

I can NOT see only getting 7FPE from a daisy 880 in stock form.  I have had the time to take some chrony info on mine since the above post, and a consistent 702FPS with 9.63 grain pellets is 10.5FPE.   That is the power range of a much higher cost Crosman.

I  am not against the 880 but what you are saying is not correct I wish I had the cash to pickup ten new 880s and ten 2100s to prove it to

you...

I admit that I only have my one Daisy 880 and what others have posted to go on.   Though from My Daisy 880 and the numbers that others have posted (mostly on these forums) the Daisy 880 is a significantly more powerful gun in stock form.

I do not have ten of each to get an average from thus I have to combine my results with those posted by others to get the best guess of the average performance of both guns.

If you are basing your  daisy 880 fpe figures off this vid his readings are very likely inflated because of being to close to the crony.

I have not seen any vid of an 880 being chronied.

the 880 is a good rifle but so is the 2100 and you do not get  9 fpe out of either stock...

Well if that is the normal then I guess that myself and a few others have got some very lucky 880s.

By the way 495 fps is what my 853 shooting now all I did was get a .5" nylon bushing from ace and drill it out to 3/8 and then cut to length

and insert in valve.

I shot my best five shot side rested 20 yard group with it today  basicly a four leaf clover and then 1 about .3 low...

Daisy...

Nice.   That is very good.   I am glad to see those results out of a 853.

[DavidS]

Oh yea, Daisy gate please.

[AK73]

So who's in charge of making gates?

[tweedking]

daisy gate, where is it already?

[DavidS]

I believe that a Daisy Gate may get a good amount of traffic if added.  Daisy gate please

[DavidS]

Please.

[ericnel]

I think this may have become the default Daisygate. The Crosman Daisy conflict will go on forever and will never be resolved. I have both and have fun with both. I just like my Daisy's better. And they certainly give a lot of bang for the buck.

[mudduck48]

I think this may have become the default Daisygate. The Crosman Daisy conflict will go on forever and will never be resolved. I have both and have fun with both. I just like my Daisy's better. And they certainly give a lot of bang for the buck.

You are probably right. You are asking people who are into springers  and PCP guns to give you a gate for the lowly Daisy. Daisy, I think of BB gun, not high dollar match guns or spring guns or PCP guns. Just the BB gun you had when you were a kid. Daisy today, I think of China. But my 953 was made in the USA. Good luck with the Daisy Gate.

[stonykill]

I just like my Daisy's better. And they certainly give a lot of bang for the buck.

Daisy today, I think of China. But my 953 was made in the USA. Good luck with the Daisy Gate.

 Crosman today, I think China, Beeman, China, Ruger, China... I'm seeing a pattern.

[DavidS]

I just like my Daisy's better. And they certainly give a lot of bang for the buck.

Daisy today, I think of China. But my 953 was made in the USA. Good luck with the Daisy Gate.

 Crosman today, I think China, Beeman, China, Ruger, China... I'm seeing a pattern.

For Crosman all of the guns I have from Crosman are Made In USA.   I would like to see Daisy get back to that.

I do not understand the like for Springers, and PCP.  Most of them shoot to fast to be of any use.

[stonykill]

I just like my Daisy's better. And they certainly give a lot of bang for the buck.

Daisy today, I think of China. But my 953 was made in the USA. Good luck with the Daisy Gate.

 Crosman today, I think China, Beeman, China, Ruger, China... I'm seeing a pattern.

For Crosman all of the guns I have from Crosman are Made In USA.   I would like to see Daisy get back to that.

I do not understand the like for Springers, and PCP.  Most of them shoot to fast to be of any use.

    Crosman is unclear as to if the AG's are MADE in the USA or just assembled here. Being I understand the cost in America to produce a product made of metal and plastic I personally am 100% sure that they are assembled here with parts made elsewhere. And not just in China but also in Japan.
    I may be wrong...but I do not see how a 2100 that is "Made in America" can sell brand new for $69 with the cost of labor alone in the USA. Never mind the cost of having the parts molded, casting the pot metal, etc. Trust me when I say an American made barrel that is rifled would cost more than $12 brand new. Can't even buy the metal for that, let alone make a product.

[DavidS]

@stonykill:
You have a good point for most of the gun.  It is likely that most of it is assembled in the US and made elsewhere.

As for the Barrel, the steel costs about $4.00 retail, and they likely use a riffling button, thus it would be easy for a single worker to turn out 500 barrels per day, that makes it make more since to make the barrel in the US cost wise.   I could be wrong.

[stonykill]

@stonykill:
You have a good point for most of the gun.  It is likely that most of it is assembled in the US and made elsewhere.

As for the Barrel, the steel costs about $4.00 retail, and they likely use a riffling button, thus it would be easy for a single worker to turn out 500 barrels per day, that makes it make more since to make the barrel in the US cost wise.   I could be wrong.

 possible but being self employed and having watched enough Shark Tank I know that mark up is not what it takes to eanr a living, pay your employee's and provide benefits. Possible, yes for a small business. But that markup would most likely cause a large corporation with the costs mentioned plus advertising to go under and fast.

[ericnel]

 ;)I will put the quality of my Daisy 1200 pistol up against any sub $100 pistol available today including the current version of 1377. Daisy guns are the airgun for, "the rest of us," Sure they make lever action BB guns, but also make some really neat quality guns at reasonable prices. I love my 1st version 1377, but the 1377s I see in the big box stores look pretty rough. A lot of us enjoy our guns and don't feel the need for a $500 cannon. Pump and CO2 may not be stylish, but get the job done. I feel the same way about bass boats. I've caught a lot of bass in my day without the help of a $20,000 dollar boat. If you have the money and want to spend it, that's your prerogative, but it ain't necessary to spend a bundle to have a lot of fun - and fun is the name of the game.

[DavidS]

@ericnel:
I am not familiar with the 1200.  What powerplant is that?

[mudduck48]

@ericnel:
I am not familiar with the 1200.  What powerplant is that?

CO2

[DavidS]

It is to bad that as far as I know Daisy does not make a good MSP pistol.

Oh well, I still like the 880.