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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Nomadic Pirate on February 08, 2022, 06:53:48 PM
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Just picked them up from the post office.
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They come with 2 Mags and a bunch of spare O-rings......that is a huge plus already.
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I have to go work shortly so I'll start on them tomorrow,....after surfing :) :)
I did pick up the unregulated out of huge curiosity and it feels like a Rimfire, super slim and light.
Just a quick look over and the metal parts look excellent, I think the wood is a bit unfinished because this being prototypes so no real need to go all out ( Travis can correct me if I misspoke )
the Unregulated version shoulders really well and I think I can get a scope on it that will be really low.
......This is going to be a very long thread, from chrono work all the way to eventually take the guns in the bush and hopefully drop a Porker or two,
so you can expect ad ons to this thread for months to come,.....should be fun :)
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NICE !!!
My pair should land later in the week.
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Interesting. Post Office has not informed me of any deliveries. Oh, right. Back to reality.
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Ok, so I have a little time and couldn't resist taking both guns out and do a little check,
I really like what they did with the stocks, both grips are very slim and comfortable, both guns feel really good when you handle them.
the regulated one is heavier and bulkier but it's on par with most wooden guns out there size wise but feels lighter then the average.
The unregulated version is truly slim and light,.....great candidate for long treking hunts.
Magazines look very, very nice.
all metal work looks quality.
so far everything check in and some.
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Also, this is going to be my very first regulated gun, so a new experience and unknown grounds :)
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Here piggy piggy!
https://youtu.be/PeMvMNpvB5M
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Huge bonus !!!!!
The shroud is the same size and threads of the Evanix shrouds,.....so I can use all my current LDCs :) :)
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Huge bonus !!!!!
The shroud is the same size and threads of the Evanix shrouds,.....so I can use all my current LDCs :) :)
Big plus!
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NICE !!!
My pair should land later in the week.
Been tracking them looks like there was a weather delay. You should have them tomorrow
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I stopped by DonnyFL’s shop today and I might have handled both of those models. Wasn’t allowed to take pictures, don’t know what the secrecy was…
Felt very good, light weight as previously mentioned. I also like the scope, different reticle, but I liked it.
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Just got finished watching a SHOT Show video at their booth. Pretty cool guns and a great price point!
Really excited to see what you think of them Manny. 8)
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I guess you guys review a lot of guns cause I ain't heard nothing as normal Civilian. Lol
Looking forward to watching this thread though
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Interesting. Post Office has not informed me of any deliveries. Oh, right. Back to reality.
You and me both, brother.
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Just to reiterate we’re not into production till I hear back results from all the reviewers I sent guns too(20) so no one purchased anything. Will go into full production soon after we get all the feedback in.
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Just curious, when you guys send guns out to reviewers are they gifts or are the guns returned? What an amazing thing to be sent guns to review - congrats to all those who have earned that honor.
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Just to reiterate we’re not into production till I hear back results from all the reviewers I sent guns too(20) so no one purchased anything. Will go into full production soon after we get all the feedback in.
Hey Travis, what is the price on the scope going to be? Do you know yet?
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Just to reiterate we’re not into production till I hear back results from all the reviewers I sent guns too(20) so no one purchased anything. Will go into full production soon after we get all the feedback in.
Hey Travis, what is the price on the scope going to be? Do you know yet?
$245
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Just to reiterate we’re not into production till I hear back results from all the reviewers I sent guns too(20) so no one purchased anything. Will go into full production soon after we get all the feedback in.
Hey Travis, what is the price on the scope going to be? Do you know yet?
$245
I didn’t get to look through it outside as it was raining, but it looked good inside and I like that reticle. It’s definitely different.
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Just to reiterate we’re not into production till I hear back results from all the reviewers I sent guns too(20) so no one purchased anything. Will go into full production soon after we get all the feedback in.
Hello- I’m what Manny & others refer to as a NOOB when it comes to PCPs. Got my first in 2019, a .177 Daystate Regal XL, followed soon after by a .25 Artemis M11 & recently picked up an AEA Challenger .22.
Would you mind posting back with some basic info on the rifles Manny is testing? Caliber, action, FPE, predicted price range?
DrGunner
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Hello- I’m what Manny & others refer to as a NOOB when it comes to PCPs. Got my first in 2019, a .177 Daystate Regal XL, followed soon after by a .25 Artemis M11 & recently picked up an AEA Challenger .22.
Would you mind posting back with some basic info on the rifles Manny is testing? Caliber, action, FPE, predicted price range?
DrGunner
This short video will answer most if not all of your questions!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uUR1PusE-I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uUR1PusE-I)
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Just curious, when you guys send guns out to reviewers are they gifts or are the guns returned? What an amazing thing to be sent guns to review - congrats to all those who have earned that honor.
I don't do reviews like those cool professional You tube guys :) :)
I'm more a field tester, I check more for ruggedness, little things in the gun that are less then conducive to treat your rifle like a tool more then a beauty queen.
I also only take in rifles that I think suit me, I like, and would be a gun that I would actually buy,....a solid member here can attest that I turned down a free 1500 bucks gun just because I didn't like the looks of it and would not be a gun I would ever buy.
Also when they send me a gun they know I will not be shy to print things I don't like :)
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Man! I'm super jelly!
I can't wait to hear how these guns do.
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There's is a big panel of guys now reviewing and testing this guns, quite a variety in the spectrum,
I'm more the low hanging fruit :) I'm more like the common guy out there with basic knowledge that buys rifle and wants them to work and not have to work on them.
the more technical reviews will come from others, and some are the masters of the internals that will really check the guts out are report back to the source with real in depth findings.
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Manny, I know they picked the right guy with you. Have enjoyed your comments since day 1. Well deserved in my opinion.
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Sounds like a broad spectrum of reviewers to get good feedback.
I wish I were more knowledgeable about PCPs and tuning and such. Maybe I would have made the list :D
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Sounds like a broad spectrum of reviewers to get good feedback.
I wish I were more knowledgeable about PCPs and tuning and such. Maybe I would have made the list :D
I doubt I would have made the list if I wasn't looking to buy a few pallets full of them.
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The people I use I used in the past and have a working relationship with, many of you certainly have the ability and skill. No disrespect to anyone.
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None taken, I just have to poke the bear, haha!
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Its more a publicity stunt anyhow folks calm down. Nothing wrong with trying to get word around with a brand new company.
Manny fits the bill for the more power hungry hunter type which will appeal to many (no pun intended).
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I forecast most reviewers will probably choose to test the guns with JSBs so I will actually focus on different pellets like Benjamins, Baracudas, Eun Jin and a few different bullets I have on hand
....did just try to buy a few different kinds, but boy hard to buy pellets nowadays :(
Wanted to try the 20gr H&N at lower powers and the Baracuda hunter Hollowpoint since I found them to really open up nicely on old testing I did.
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I look forward to reading about your experiences.
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I forecast most reviewers will probably choose to test the guns with JSBs so I will actually focus on different pellets like Benjamins, Baracudas, Eun Jin and a few different bullets I have on hand
....did just try to buy a few different kinds, but boy hard to buy pellets nowadays :(
Wanted to try the 20gr H&N at lower powers and the Baracuda hunter Hollowpoint since I found them to really open up nicely on old testing I did.
Don't want to derail the thread here but did Seneca take over production of Eun Jin's pellets? I see that the Eun Jin's are "not available" available at most places (except Amazon?). The Seneca pellet line looks exactly like what Eun Jin are/was making.
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I forecast most reviewers will probably choose to test the guns with JSBs so I will actually focus on different pellets like Benjamins, Baracudas, Eun Jin and a few different bullets I have on hand
....did just try to buy a few different kinds, but boy hard to buy pellets nowadays :(
Wanted to try the 20gr H&N at lower powers and the Baracuda hunter Hollowpoint since I found them to really open up nicely on old testing I did.
Don't want to derail the thread here but did Seneca take over production of Eun Jin's pellets? I see that the Eun Jin's are "not available" available at most places (except Amazon?). The Seneca pellet line looks exactly like what Eun Jin are/was making.
Just an Air Venturi re-branding like they did with the Sam Yang and Eun Jin guns
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OK so I put a scope on her and using low rings I was able to get it as low as a scope can possibly go and it's perfect with the comb, feels great.
I started the zeroing in process, started with the Transfer port all the way to minimum for the first few shots then maxed it out, you can tell the adjustment works and power is definitely much different.
Even fully open it's pretty quiet and the ping isn't to bad either.
Trigger,.....I think even trigger snobs will be very happy, it's almost to light for me :)
Magazine works great, loads nicely and feels solid.
Sidelever is smooth and operates good.
Not a fan of Safeties inside the trigger guard but I just don't use it :) and it's out of the way.
I'm starting with the Benjamin pellets and as you can see in the picture I have a bunch of ammo to test.
Cannot find my Mac-1 bore rope ( my stuff is packed all over the place and I have no Idea where it could be ) :( so for now I'm shooting on a dirty barrel.
.....the rifles are 41" long so a very nice in between size and even with the scope the standard is extremely light.
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nice assortment of ammo. this should be interesting. Let her rip
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manny if you need to up the power for the heavier stuff crank the hammer spring in. You have to pull the stock to access it.
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manny if you need to up the power for the heavier stuff crank the hammer spring in. You have to pull the stock to access it.
I took the stock off to have a look and the Hammerspring adjuster is right on, simple and accessible, I will keep it stock until I get the chronograph on it,..then play :)
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This pleases me immensely, but more importantly, how were the waves?
The GOAT won again at Pipeline, but I'm more interested in day-to-day chill-out riding, not gambling with a slab. I know you longboard, so... how wuz it brah?
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Shot the Standard with an 8" Neil Clauge and it's really quiet
Again the magazine is very very nice and super easy to use,...still blows me away that companies use the crappy Marauder style still.
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This pleases me immensely, but more importantly, how were the waves?
The GOAT won again at Pipeline, but I'm more interested in day-to-day chill-out riding, not gambling with a slab. I know you longboard, so... how wuz it brah?
Surfed big Rocky point today, got some real good waves but also some serious beating :) :) :)
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Really like how sleek the stock is on the non reg version. Especially the style of the forend. Looking like these are going to be homeruns for JTS
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:D And I know you mean big as Hawaiian-big.
You can recuperate sending lead downrange and sharing the results :) M-Rod style magazines work and their cheap, but that's about it. The Aircuda definitely perked up my ears. I don't mind a heavier trigger, but you're saying it is almost too light probably makes the trigger-snobs here very happy. Side-lever, a good trigger, a modern magazine, adjustable power, relatively quiet, and not too long. If the accuracy is there (especially with the cheaper pellets), this is going to be a real winner!
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Really like how sleek the stock is on the non reg version. Especially the style of the forend. Looking like these are going to be homeruns for JTS
Yeah love the feel, weight and balance of the standard,......feel like I'm handling my Marlin 60
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Just scoped and zeroed the MAX, very, very nice
ergonomics are truly great, everything functioned perfectly very positive lever action, feels like the trigger is just a tad heavier then the Standard but still a trigger that even snobs would like ;D ;D ;D ;D
the Max is way more quiet and there's no ping, a pleasure to shoot.
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Just curious, when you guys send guns out to reviewers are they gifts or are the guns returned? What an amazing thing to be sent guns to review - congrats to all those who have earned that honor.
I don't do reviews like those cool professional You tube guys :) :)
I'm more a field tester, I check more for ruggedness, little things in the gun that are less then conducive to treat your rifle like a tool more then a beauty queen.
I also only take in rifles that I think suit me, I like, and would be a gun that I would actually buy,....a solid member here can attest that I turned down a free 1500 bucks gun just because I didn't like the looks of it and would not be a gun I would ever buy.
Also when they send me a gun they know I will not be shy to print things I don't like :)
You sound like me. I tested firearms for a large USA company for years. I kept my reviews private and gave feedback based off real life use. I would test them in the field not just bench rest shooting. Love how many just grab a scope mount it and go sit at a bench, shoot and review. Ya that's fine if I am shopping for a bench rest gun. I never do. Bring the real review please. To many sugar coated ones out there from reviewers keeping the companies happy to keep sending more. For me one key factor always gets overlooked. Durability and functionality vs price point. Thanks in advance and I will shut up now.
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It's good to get multiple perspectives. Not everyone wants an airgun to punch paper. You always have great threads Manny so this will be very interesting to get your take on it.
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Unfortunately as of now my Range is 17 yards so will not be able to do longer range accuracy testing,....was getting excited last week because looked like we where going to score a good house with a huge yard, no neighbors and a solid 50+ yards range,
unfortunately it doesn't look like it's gonna happen, once more landlords here prefer to rent to military or AirB&B rather then long standing community residents :(
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It's good to get multiple perspectives. Not everyone wants an airgun to punch paper. You always have great threads Manny so this will be very interesting to get your take on it.
Thanks brother, .....and to all that appreciate my unorthodox, out of left field way to do things and review guns ( there's enough cool You tube reviewers out there :) :) )
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Now that you mention it, I can see the similarity. Definitely going to buy the non reg Airacuda
Really like how sleek the stock is on the non reg version. Especially the style of the forend. Looking like these are going to be homeruns for JTS
Yeah love the feel, weight and balance of the standard,......feel like I'm handling my Marlin 60
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I would guess that every recipient has a chrono. I, for one, am interested in velocity and shot string of guns in hand.
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I would guess that every recipient has a chrono. I, for one, am interested in velocity and shot string of guns in hand.
Bet you all the others do :)
I have both a Caldwell and one of those orange barrel ones, will chrono with Benjamin, Baracudas for sure.
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Watching for the results on the Standard! ;)
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Waiting for results on BOTH!!!!
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I know the standard is the one meant for field carry but how awkward would it be to carry the max if I'm hunting less than half the time?
Thanks!
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I know the standard is the one meant for field carry but how awkward would it be to carry the max if I'm hunting less than half the time?
Thanks!
The MAX is sizewise like the majority of PCP and probably lighter then most so it's just fine, the Standard is just lighter and slimmer :)
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Lighter and slimmer equates to easier carrying while hunting. Especially if your trying to traverse rough terrain or heavy brush.
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I made the "mistake" of having some pictures open of the Aircuda when Sonja got home last night. Gut feeling tells me we'll be ponying up for another PCP soon. Golly-gee darn, the perils of having a wife who enjoys airguns as much as I do. :D
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I know the standard is the one meant for field carry but how awkward would it be to carry the max if I'm hunting less than half the time?
Thanks!
You know I feel like at the moment you are testing these two rifles for me right. LOL Can you post up a comparison of the two size wise and feel to the Disco. I know you have one at in your stash and so do most of us. (well me anyway)
The MAX is sizewise like the majority of PCP and probably lighter then most so it's just fine, the Standard is just lighter and slimmer :)
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I made the "mistake" of having some pictures open of the Aircuda when Sonja got home last night. Gut feeling tells me we'll be ponying up for another PCP soon. Golly-gee darn, the perils of having a wife who enjoys airguns as much as I do. :D
Don't worry - there will be something else yet again, new and shiny, by year's end to restart the adoration. :D
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The standard is the better looker with that sleek Monte Carlo stock. I would like to see an adjustable cheek riser, I know it's on the Max, but I prefer a Monte Carlo stock.
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I know the standard is the one meant for field carry but how awkward would it be to carry the max if I'm hunting less than half the time?
Thanks!
You know I feel like at the moment you are testing these two rifles for me right. LOL Can you post up a comparison of the two size wise and feel to the Disco. I know you have one at in your stash and so do most of us. (well me anyway)
The MAX is sizewise like the majority of PCP and probably lighter then most so it's just fine, the Standard is just lighter and slimmer :)
I used to have a Disco and it's harder to have a smaller PCP but I think the forehand of the standard is slimmer and it's definitely longer and that make it feel much nicer
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I made the "mistake" of having some pictures open of the Aircuda when Sonja got home last night. Gut feeling tells me we'll be ponying up for another PCP soon. Golly-gee darn, the perils of having a wife who enjoys airguns as much as I do. :D
So far I'm pretty impressed by this 2 guns, .....I will spend as much time as I have shooting away ( wish I could find my bore cleaner but I just remember I have a box of .25 cleaning pellets so today I put a few of those through the barrel )
at my limited 17 yards range even the Benjamin pellets are flying into a tiny hole, hopefully I find a way to stretch at least to 35 ....need to get creative :)
I was going to get a scale from work yesterday to weight the guns scoped and all but I forgot, I'll get it on Friday.
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Hmmmm... $320 minus a GTA discount code and free shipping.... not too shabby.... ;) hint hint
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Hmmmm... $320 minus a GTA discount code and free shipping.... not too shabby.... ;) hint hint
I didn't handle the other low price guns offerings but both of these 2 I have in my hands definitely feel quality,......the MAX feels and looks way above the 420 bucks asking price, I'm sure shot strings will start pouring in I'm working a lot this week and surf is great :) ......but will try get shots strings as soon as I can :)
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Hmmmm... $320 minus a GTA discount code and free shipping.... not too shabby.... ;) hint hint
I didn't handle the other low price guns offerings but both of these 2 I have in my hands definitely feel quality,......the MAX feels and looks way above the 420 bucks asking price, I'm sure shot strings will start pouring in I'm working a lot this week and surf is great :) ......but will try get shots strings as soon as I can :)
No sir.... you have an obligation now !! You must take vacation from work and stay out of the waves.... it's back to the bench for you young man.... :o ;D
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Hmmmm... $320 minus a GTA discount code and free shipping.... not too shabby.... ;) hint hint
I didn't handle the other low price guns offerings but both of these 2 I have in my hands definitely feel quality,......the MAX feels and looks way above the 420 bucks asking price, I'm sure shot strings will start pouring in I'm working a lot this week and surf is great :) ......but will try get shots strings as soon as I can :)
No sir.... you have an obligation now !! You must take vacation from work and stay out of the waves.... it's back to the bench for you young man.... :o ;D
Hahahaha :) ..yes dad :)
I was just thinking,...now I'm super curious about what they will come out with on the bigger bores ( I think something was mentioned about that )
Travis has been tuning guns for a long time so he should be able to implement changes/tweeks pretty fast if needed.
Many years back I suggested to Mr Lee at Evanix to hire Will Piatt as a consultant to tweek and improve guns because professional tuners really get into the details and can make guns much better from the get go,.....he never listened to me :( :(
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I made the "mistake" of having some pictures open of the Aircuda when Sonja got home last night. Gut feeling tells me we'll be ponying up for another PCP soon. Golly-gee darn, the perils of having a wife who enjoys airguns as much as I do. :D
That, is definitely a good problem to have my friend :) :) :)
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Wife has claimed a few of of them as “hers” over the years...at which point I become the maintenance man and am sure to ask before I borrow one of hers.
It’s worth it...been a pretty good/happy 43 years of marriage without any griping about the airguns cluttering up the hose.
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Been some years back, when I posted a lot more on a lot more places, and got sent a test rifle….and it kind of tempered my opinions. Evidently not tempering enough for the sender.
Even in limited circumstances, were real long range time is more rare, can at least weed out the “hopeless” pellets from the “possible” pellets….do the chronographing and adjusting… shot counts….measure/judge sound signature… trigger pull...etc.
When you do get your long-range visits, saves time and effort not to have to deal with the “hopeless” pellets, maladjusted rifles, or unexpectedly over-running the shot count.
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Looks like my pair of "MAX's" land today .... Dang snow storms and weather delays ;D
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Looks like my pair of "MAX's" land today .... Dang snow storms and weather delays ;D
I am going to have to stop reading this thread for about six to eight months. Enough time for the guns to come into production and for me to locate one. Or two.
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Mine just hit the porch. Time to unbox!
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Looks like my pair of "MAX's" land today .... Dang snow storms and weather delays ;D
I am going to have to stop reading this thread for about six to eight months. Enough time for the guns to come into production and for me to locate one. Or two.
I don't think it's gonna be that long for them to be in the Shelves
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OK so I put a scope on her and using low rings I was able to get it as low as a scope can possibly go and it's perfect with the comb, feels great.
I started the zeroing in process, started with the Transfer port all the way to minimum for the first few shots then maxed it out, you can tell the adjustment works and power is definitely much different.
Even fully open it's pretty quiet and the ping isn't to bad either.
Trigger,.....I think even trigger snobs will be very happy, it's almost to light for me :)
Magazine works great, loads nicely and feels solid.
Sidelever is smooth and operates good.
Not a fan of Safeties inside the trigger guard but I just don't use it :) and it's out of the way.
I'm starting with the Benjamin pellets and as you can see in the picture I have a bunch of ammo to test.
Cannot find my Mac-1 bore rope ( my stuff is packed all over the place and I have no Idea where it could be ) :( so for now I'm shooting on a dirty barrel.
.....the rifles are 41" long so a very nice in between size and even with the scope the standard is extremely light.
Curious to how the Nielsens and the domed pellets performed.
What caliber is your test gun?
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.25
so far only shot Benjamins, it will be some time before I get to slugs.
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So I changed the scope on the Cuda Standard, the 2-7 didn't work for me at short ranges.
I found a 3-9x32 with AO that is actually even lighter, it fits perfectly.
I also found some cleaning pellets, of course not as good as a pull through but they have to do for now, so I soaked a few with Ballistol and shot a bunch through the gun.
she is now ready for Chrono testing
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Nice, the 25 is what I'm interested in Nomadic Pirate. It's sounding almost to good to be true at that price point. Lol. Looking forward to the chronos and pellet weights for sure.
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Nice, the 25 is what I'm interested in Nomadic Pirate. It's sounding almost to good to be true at that price point. Lol. Looking forward to the chronos and pellet weights for sure.
Yeah so far what I can see is that you get quite the BANG for the buck.
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Did the same mickey mouse barrel cleaning to the Cuda MAX ;D ;D
next up will be chrono strings, but first I'll concentrate on the Cuda Standard
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Waiting patiently. Probably have plenty of time before they make it to a store anyways.
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They better not wait too long. China is pumping out new guns faster than I can get a tin of pellets down the one I just bought.
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Betcha it wont be long, we see with AEA how fast those guys get things done even if they have to tweek something.
So far the guns I have have performed without a hitch,....my only dislike is the safety but that is a personal thing doesn't matter much in the big scheme
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TEASER .... 8)
.22 MAX with the NEW JTS First Focal Plane 4-16x50 scope fitted. * Needed a forward cantilevered mount to get my personal eye relief correct.
QUIET because of stacked baffles and having air able to get back and fill shroud behind muzzle. 1/2-20 LDC threading on end cap as well if needing more hush.
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Ok I am going to show my Newbie colors here with this one. What does LDC stand for. I know what they do just not why we're calling them an LDC.
When I bought my TKO for the disco Mike called it a Muzzle break. Didnt understand that either.
Do we have an ETA or is that still up in the air? Poor guy we are going to have him sold out before he has them made.
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Lead Dust Collector.
Muzzle Break.... not sure of the origin but I think it has to do with the end of a springer barrel where you grab it to 'break' the barrel open to cock the gun.
Springers are sometimes referred to as 'Break barrel" guns.
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Ok I am going to show my Newbie colors here with this one. What does LDC stand for. I know what they do just not why we're calling them an LDC.
When I bought my TKO for the disco Mike called it a Muzzle break. Didnt understand that either.
LDC=Lead dust collector. Muzzle brake, moderator, quiet can, etc. are all terms here because no one wants to say the s word.
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That too..... "Silencer" was once a taboo word in our airgun world because they are (in most cases) illegal in the PB arena. It was thought to attract unwanted attention to our hobby/sport.
"Silencer" is now an acceptable term here on the GTA however, it is not permitted to describe or show how to make them.
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Got it. Thanks guys.
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In all reality.... an airgun designed silencer would never hold up to the pressures of a PB.
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Muzzle "brake" is not a silencer. In fact, it increases the noise. It's purpose is recoil reduction at the expense of increased muzzle blast. One experience in the present of a muzzle "brake" in operation will show the effect quite well.
BTW, seems that in the very near past, it was not permitted to show the construction of silencers on GTA.
On posts of my work and images therein, I call silences I have built "muzzle devices". And do not show construction or internals. (As per GTA rules, perhaps now changed)
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In all reality.... an airgun designed silencer would never hold up to the pressures of a PB.
While this is true from a practical standpoint (who wants a silencer that literally can only be used for one shot?), it is irrelevant from a legal standpoint - thus part of all the concern about the forum being a source of information on how to make them . . .
The regulations on silencers specifically state that the device only need make the firearm quieter (no constraints on the amount - 1 dB is enough) and work for one shot (it can explode or melt during that one shot and never work again) to count as a silencer. Crazy, but that is the way it is written.
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Get back on track people......This thread isn't about silencers. Moving on.
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I agree. Barrel twist rate? Choked? Plenum volume?
I was very close to ordering a couple Avengers but these guns stopped me. Meanwhile, still waiting for my LW non-choked barrel for my LCS to arrive.
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I agree. Barrel twist rate? Choked? Plenum volume?
Yeah Scott or Troy, technical details info ? :) :)
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Travis is correct lets stay on track. UM I have nothing to say since I am not one of the 20 people who have their hands on the guns.
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Get back on track people......This thread isn't about silencers. Moving on.
And yet there it - is a disassembled silencer.
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” George Orwell
That meaning the elites of GTA.
Of course the admin will delete this before any reading of it.
Goodbye - had enough.
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Get back on track people......This thread isn't about silencers. Moving on.
And yet there it - is a disassembled silencer.
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” George Orwell
That meaning the elites of GTA.
Of course the admin will delete this before any reading of it.
Goodbye - had enough.
I agree and I do feel like that is in violation of the rules, even if not the intent behind the action. I've been chastised for much less.
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First of all Motorheads pic is not of a silencer its a baffle stack and shroud it cannot be unscrewed and put on a powder burner theres the main difference. If it was a silencer that was threaded and was shown disassembled we would pull it down. Scott knows the rules. Back on topic please
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How about a TRIGGER internals view 8)
It is a modular unit that simply unscrews from lower tubes hammer housing.
Bottom side of action ... Robusto !! Receiver being held down to lower main tube with no less than 7 fasteners !!!
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I am just stoked that the shrouds are the same measures of Evanix shrouds, so I can use my battery of LDC :) :)
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First of all Motorheads pic is not of a silencer its a baffle stack and shroud it cannot be unscrewed and put on a powder burner theres the main difference. If it was a silencer that was threaded and was shown disassembled we would pull it down. Scott knows the rules. Back on topic please
Thanks for the clarification!
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How about a TRIGGER internals view 8)
It is a modular unit that simply unscrews from lower tubes hammer housing.
Bottom side of action ... Robusto !! Receiver being held down to lower main tube with no less than 7 fasteners !!!
Yeah when I took the stock off yesterday I was impressed by the amount of hardware under there :)
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How about a TRIGGER internals view 8)
It is a modular unit that simply unscrews from lower tubes hammer housing.
Bottom side of action ... Robusto !! Receiver being held down to lower main tube with no less than 7 fasteners !!!
That approach to the trigger group - like a cassette- is interesting. First I’ve seen like that.
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First of all Motorheads pic is not of a silencer its a baffle stack and shroud it cannot be unscrewed and put on a powder burner theres the main difference. If it was a silencer that was threaded and was shown disassembled we would pull it down. Scott knows the rules. Back on topic please
Thanks for the clarification!
So we can discuss shroud baffles and designs for shroud inserts no problem, just not screw-on cans? This is good news because I have been holding back on related posts thinking the ban applied to any sound moderation at all.
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How about a TRIGGER internals view 8)
It is a modular unit that simply unscrews from lower tubes hammer housing.
Bottom side of action ... Robusto !! Receiver being held down to lower main tube with no less than 7 fasteners !!!
That approach to the trigger group - like a cassette- is interesting. First I’ve seen like that.
I think the Crosman/Benjamin PCP's, some CO2 guns, and the new 362 use a trigger group with its own housing. I only know this because I bought a c362 right after they started shipping.
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First of all Motorheads pic is not of a silencer its a baffle stack and shroud it cannot be unscrewed and put on a powder burner theres the main difference. If it was a silencer that was threaded and was shown disassembled we would pull it down. Scott knows the rules. Back on topic please
Thanks for the clarification!
So we can discuss shroud baffles and designs for shroud inserts no problem, just not screw-on cans? This is good news because I have been holding back on related posts thinking the ban applied to any sound moderation at all.
Oh boy !!!! Katy bar the door !! 8)
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That standard is a nice looking “classic style rifle”.
Something rare these days, for me the majority of airguns look like the were designed by a 12 year old Clinton who has been sniffing anti-matter.
Regards,
Roachcreek
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This will likely get posted again in a proprietary JTS AIRCUDA thread sometime in the future ... But, How much power without going nuts can we extract from a .25cal Aircuda MAX ???
With an @ 12 gram brass hammer weight ( 23.5G factory weight + 12 = 35.5G ) reg raised up to @ 155bar were making 50 fpe ! sending a JSB king @ 942 fps maxed out.
JSB heavy @ 832 to 52+ ft lbs.
Kind of an air hog set as such, but if wanting a Regulated "Hunter" there ya go.
Scott
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Not to shabby for a carbine!
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Just wanted to say sorry for bringing up the LDC. Something told me not to ask. I joined this forum and read pages of rules. I must of missed the one saying you cannot talk about suppressors as that is what they are not silencers. Powder burners use a different thread pattern just so you guys know.
So, the BAFFEL set up. Is it enough or does it need a Lead Dust Container? I would ask another question, but I have learned my lesson.
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Chrono day,
keep in mind the gun didn't have that many rounds through and still needs to be truly broken in.
gun is untouched.
Starting at 200 BAR ending at 140 BAR
with the 28gr Benjamin pellets
758
762
765
770
779
782
789
787
796
805
800
813
814
827
817
827
831
830
834
838
854
856
852
854
854
850
850
847
843
843
840
831
831
827
821
815
808
807
797
785
Peek power 45 FPE but you can see it can take a lot more spring to get the power up and the curve higher.
Granted my range is only 17 yards but all 40 rounds where inside a dime
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This will likely get posted again in a proprietary JTS AIRCUDA thread sometime in the future ... But, How much power without going nuts can we extract from a .25cal Aircuda MAX ???
With an @ 12 gram brass hammer weight ( 23.5G factory weight + 12 = 35.5G ) reg raised up to @ 155bar were making 50 fpe ! sending a JSB king @ 942 fps maxed out.
JSB heavy @ 832 to 52+ ft lbs.
Kind of an air hog set as such, but if wanting a Regulated "Hunter" there ya go.
Scott
That is very good for a regulated gun with that short of a barrel
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Next up is the MAX,
Again bare in mind this guns are nowhere near broken in
Benjamin 28gr starting at 200 BAR and getting of the regulator at 140ish BAR
806
832
839
832
834
839
835
839
835
837
829
839
834
831
835
836
833
836
841
836
837
846
835
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828......it sounded totally different so I think it went off the regulator, and the next 2 shots where 821, 815 so I stopped.
I know nothing about regulated guns but it looks pretty good to me for a gun with very few round down the barrel
3 mags around 43 FPE, not bad IMO
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You can fill the max to 3500psi Manny not sure if I told you that
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So it looks like 10 shots per fill with the .25 cal?
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So it looks like 10 shots per fill with the .25 cal?
Around 35/40 when you tune it depending on power etc. Matt look up tuning for a bell curve with the search engine that should help you out.
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So it looks like 10 shots per fill with the .25 cal?
Around 35/40 when you tune it depending on power etc.
So you are testing two also? What cal do you have?
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So it looks like 10 shots per fill with the .25 cal?
Much depend on what power you want to tune, I will try tune her pretty hot and get 20 shots from 200 BAR to 100 BAR ,.....but will see how that goes :)
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Chrono day,
keep in mind the gun didn't have that many rounds through and still needs to be truly broken in.
gun is untouched.
Starting at 200 BAR ending at 140 BAR
with the 28gr Benjamin pellets
758
762
765
770
779
782
789
787
796
805
800
813
814
827
817
827
831
830
834
838
854
856
852
854
854
850
850
847
843
843
840
831
831
827
821
815
808
807
797
785
Peek power 45 FPE but you can see it can take a lot more spring to get the power up and the curve higher.
Granted my range is only 17 yards but all 40 rounds where inside a dime
I'm guessing the shot count started at 758 and just got better as it emptied?
I bet a 25.4 will shoot wonderful out of this gun from those numbers? Heck, even a 31-33 gr will be solid.
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Chrono day,
keep in mind the gun didn't have that many rounds through and still needs to be truly broken in.
gun is untouched.
Starting at 200 BAR ending at 140 BAR
with the 28gr Benjamin pellets
758
762
765
770
779
782
789
787
796
805
800
813
814
827
817
827
831
830
834
838
854
856
852
854
854
850
850
847
843
843
840
831
831
827
821
815
808
807
797
785
Peek power 45 FPE but you can see it can take a lot more spring to get the power up and the curve higher.
Granted my range is only 17 yards but all 40 rounds where inside a dime
I'm guessing the shot count started at 758 and just got better as it emptied?
I bet a 25.4 will shoot wonderful out of this gun from those numbers? Heck, even a 31-33 gr will be solid.
Yeah typical bell curve, it can be flattened with more hammerspring.
I will start playing with that next.
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For hunting it’s good as is but for those who want a bit more shot count and consistency, I wonder if there’s an ssg or hdd in the standard version. Curious if there’s any hammer bounce that could be remedied from installing one.
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This is a post from Hajimoto ;
The Airacuda Max is built like a firearm. All heavy-duty materials. Amazing fit and finish to the metals. Strong engineered interfaces. This thing is really nice. I mean seriously, check out that trigger. That is a seriously legit fully adjustable two stage trigger group. Look that end cap, that thing solid aluminum. Very intelligent Barrel band. Dope!!
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So it's not only me, but even the big time tuners are seeing what I'm seeing in this guns.
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Im really liking what I’m seeing so far. Just wondering what’s all inside of there and how it could be made better.
How is the barrel secured to the action? Grub screws, tensioned sleeve, threaded into action?
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Im really liking what I’m seeing so far. Just wondering what’s all inside of there and how it could be made better.
How is the barrel secured to the action? Grub screws, tensioned sleeve, threaded into action?
The barrel is threaded into the action, not something you see very often, I'm sure that eventually Travis will come out with all kinds of little ad ons to tune the guns, he has done that with a bunch of platform he has to be even more motivated this time around.
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Built like a real gun. Its statements like that I give my attention to. Every so often I get to come across a pcp and it feels like a toy going to brake if you take it off the BENCH. Hearing this has fueled the fire again. Not may air rifles in my area so let me say I have not picked up many.
Rugged is a major factor to us.
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Im really liking what I’m seeing so far. Just wondering what’s all inside of there and how it could be made better.
How is the barrel secured to the action? Grub screws, tensioned sleeve, threaded into action?
The barrel is threaded into the action, not something you see very often, I'm sure that eventually Travis will come out with all kinds of little ad ons to tune the guns, he has done that with a bunch of platform he has to be even more motivated this time around.
I love this feature in my A.EA. Challenger as well. Is the barrel also ported around the entire circumference on the JTS rifles?
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I like the finish on the stocks... I really don't like those glassy gloss finishes. They scream 'safe queen' to me.
I want to use my guns... I don't buy them because they are pretty.
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Looks like there might be some valve stiction with that first shot being much slower fps. But they aren't broken in either.
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Looks like there might be some valve stiction with that first shot being much slower fps. But they aren't broken in either.
Reg creep or valve stiction? I don't imagine this valve has any o-rings the stem or poppet ride on?
Pretty standard issue for regulated guns, hopefully they aren't notorious for it here, but polishing the seat / piston usually fixes this (not that its something the end user should have to do to their brand new gun, but its a common trend in this industry)
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Made a mistake posted in wrong thread . . . sorry about that.
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Im really liking what I’m seeing so far. Just wondering what’s all inside of there and how it could be made better.
How is the barrel secured to the action? Grub screws, tensioned sleeve, threaded into action?
The barrel is threaded into the action, not something you see very often, I'm sure that eventually
Travis will come out with all kinds of little ad ons to tune the guns,
Yes barrel THREADS into the receiver on some really precision threads ( Shocking the QC we're seeing ) and then shroud mount also threaded acts as a jam nut to secure it very snugly !
Now as to After Market / Upgrade parts for these rifles ... without speaking for Travis, can state what was told to me in conversation ....
The rifles will be sold as designed and the After the Fact parts and upgrades will be left for others to come up with and market / sell.
JTS division of XISICO is not in that market segment and will only sell the rifles as manufactured.
Loosely translated .... So if your ambitious and want to get into some aftermarket parts / mods manufacturing & marketing there could be opportunity here ???
Scott S
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I agree. Barrel twist rate? Choked?
Per Travis ...
.22 cal ... 5.46 bore, 5.62 groove 1-17.7" twist
.25 cal ... 6.29 bore, 6.46 groove 1-17.7 twist
Got confirmation ... Choked
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I agree. Barrel twist rate? Choked?
Per Travis ...
.22 cal ... 5.46 bore, 5.62 groove 1-17.7" twist
Thanks!
.25 cal ... 6.29 bore, 6.46 groove 1-17.7 twist
Got confirmation ... Choked
Thanks!
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I agree. Barrel twist rate? Choked?
Per Travis ...
.22 cal ... 5.46 bore, 5.62 groove 1-17.7" twist
.25 cal ... 6.29 bore, 6.46 groove 1-17.7 twist
Got confirmation ... Choked
Huh, same twist as my Hatsan break. Should like around the same weight pellets as well you would think.
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Yes barrel THREADS into the receiver on some really precision threads ( Shocking the QC we're seeing )
WOW, not something you see in this price range! :)
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I'm seeing a ton of promise here. Just shot the standard 25 from a 2900psi fill. Hammer spring adjuster was already turned in from factory out of the box and began slinging 25.4 AA pellets at 920 on max and 250 on minimum so good range. Slight decline on the string with so much factory preload so I'll back out down and re run the string but so far more power and higher shotcount than the 25 mrod with similar tube size, far less weight and tons more features.
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Today I will play with the hammerspring to power up the gun a bit and see if I can get where I want to be.
the Hammerspring is very long so I'm guessing a lot of adjustment can be done, also there's a lot of room for shorter stronger sperings and to play with some double springs set up.
Also an other bonus,....the Hammerspring is the same size of the Evanix spring which I have a ton of different sizes at hand and will eventually be able to play a lot ;D ;D ;D
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For now I just maxed out the pre-load but eventually will start playing with the shorter, stronger Evanix springs.
Troy Hammer actually probably has the most ranges of springs to play with since they are the same as the KRAL too.
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No time to test today, going to work shortly, but will get on it tomorrow :)
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Haji just posted a bunch of 50 yards groups and they are looking pretty darn good :)
I'm glad that the professional tuners are seeing the same that I'm seeing in this guns :)
so far looking real, real promising across the board.
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No time to test today, going to work shortly, but will get on it tomorrow :)
Quit posting those 4 letter word. 🧐🧐😄
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No time to test today, going to work shortly, but will get on it tomorrow :)
Quit posting those 4 letter word. 🧐🧐😄
Hahahaha :) Trust me I rather not have to go and surf/shoot all day, unfortunately living in Hawaii is tough moneywise :( :(
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You just need to get old enough to retire and then you can do as like as long as it doesn't cost very much.😡😡😄🤣
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Haj was not lying when he said it’s built like a PB. Refreshing to see an airgun with a barrel threaded into the receiver
Im really liking what I’m seeing so far. Just wondering what’s all inside of there and how it could be made better.
How is the barrel secured to the action? Grub screws, tensioned sleeve, threaded into action?
The barrel is threaded into the action, not something you see very often, I'm sure that eventually Travis will come out with all kinds of little ad ons to tune the guns, he has done that with a bunch of platform he has to be even more motivated this time around.
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I agree. Barrel twist rate? Choked?
Per Travis ...
.22 cal ... 5.46 bore, 5.62 groove 1-17.7" twist
.25 cal ... 6.29 bore, 6.46 groove 1-17.7 twist
Got confirmation ... Choked
In this video around 11:52 He says the barrels are un choked to shoot slugs.Can someone clear this up.
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I agree. Barrel twist rate? Choked?
Per Travis ...
.22 cal ... 5.46 bore, 5.62 groove 1-17.7" twist
.25 cal ... 6.29 bore, 6.46 groove 1-17.7 twist
Got confirmation ... Choked
In this video around 11:52 He says the barrels are un choked to shoot slugs.Can someone clear this up.
Originally unchoked but now running a choke. Other small changes will happen as we prepare for production to start
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I agree. Barrel twist rate? Choked?
Per Travis ...
.22 cal ... 5.46 bore, 5.62 groove 1-17.7" twist
.25 cal ... 6.29 bore, 6.46 groove 1-17.7 twist
Got confirmation ... Choked
In this video around 11:52 He says the barrels are un choked to shoot slugs.Can someone clear this up.
Originally unchoked but now running a choke. Other small changes will happen as we prepare for production to start
How will the choke affect shooting slugs?
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I agree. Barrel twist rate? Choked?
Per Travis ...
.22 cal ... 5.46 bore, 5.62 groove 1-17.7" twist
.25 cal ... 6.29 bore, 6.46 groove 1-17.7 twist
Got confirmation ... Choked
In this video around 11:52 He says the barrels are un choked to shoot slugs.Can someone clear this up.
Originally unchoked but now running a choke. Other small changes will happen as we prepare for production to start
How will the choke affect shooting slugs?
I guess we will have to find out. But Shooter1721 has had great success
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Watching with great interest! I have a ton of .22 pellets and slugs and only .25 airguns in the herd now. That unregulated lady in a .22 checks most all my wants, and being retired now, even fits the budget nicely. A big shout out to all you testers/enablers for helping make sure these air rifles will be shooters out of the box when I get mine. When will we be able to throw down coin for one of these? (BTW, can't be Paypal, they are on my unacceptable vendor list again ::) )
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I agree. Barrel twist rate? Choked?
Per Travis ...
.22 cal ... 5.46 bore, 5.62 groove 1-17.7" twist
.25 cal ... 6.29 bore, 6.46 groove 1-17.7 twist
Got confirmation ... Choked
In this video around 11:52 He says the barrels are un choked to shoot slugs.Can someone clear this up.
Originally unchoked but now running a choke. Other small changes will happen as we prepare for production to start
Would be nice to keep track of all the changes made from the ones tested to the ones that hit the market. I am not saying changes are going to affect the buyer's market, but it would be nice to know if things are changed from what is tested. Why did you guys change the barrels if you do not mind me asking? Im sure it was to make them better.
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I agree. Barrel twist rate? Choked?
Per Travis ...
.22 cal ... 5.46 bore, 5.62 groove 1-17.7" twist
.25 cal ... 6.29 bore, 6.46 groove 1-17.7 twist
Got confirmation ... Choked
In this video around 11:52 He says the barrels are un choked to shoot slugs.Can someone clear this up.
Originally unchoked but now running a choke. Other small changes will happen as we prepare for production to start
Would be nice to keep track of all the changes made from the ones tested to the ones that hit the market. I am not saying changes are going to affect the buyer's market, but it would be nice to know if things are changed from what is tested. Why did you guys change the barrels if you do not mind me asking? Im sure it was to make them better.
Not to speak for Travis or JTS ....
IMO these rifles are NOT monster power makers and knowing for most slug shooting purposes you want a BIG POWER PCP to get them shooting fast enough to really be beneficial. Leaving you to realize these are PELLET RIFLES and suited as such to shoot pellets !! Said .. most pellet rifles do better overall with choked barrels.
Again JMO ...
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I agree. Barrel twist rate? Choked?
Per Travis ... Thanks! I prefer choked to be less pellet fussy.Should shoot Crosman hp good.
.22 cal ... 5.46 bore, 5.62 groove 1-17.7" twist
.25 cal ... 6.29 bore, 6.46 groove 1-17.7 twist
Got confirmation ... Choked
In this video around 11:52 He says the barrels are un choked to shoot slugs.Can someone clear this up.
Originally unchoked but now running a choke. Other small changes will happen as we prepare for production to start
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BOTH the provided MAX's in .22 and .25 have a choked barrel.
Standards no idea ???
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With only 220cc of air on board and an 18" barrel on the standard I'd imagine to shoot slugs at decent power you'd be limited to a single mag of shots to be really consistent. Maybe a mag plus a few.
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Here we go, chrono with the Hammerspring maxed out;
I know the gun can be filled to 240 BAR but to keep variables constant for now I'm filling to 200 BAR and using Benjamin pellets.
End of string after 2 Mags 150 BAR
879
886
892
892
893
897
898
895
893
893
890
887
883
880
875
867
862
861
854
846
So from shot 2 to shot 11 you have a pretty good -/+ 50 FPE gun
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Add a little hammer weight and it will wake up further.
I took the .25 max back to @ 140 bar leaving in the @13 gram hammer weight. It cruses along with HST cap flush with back of receiver at @ 890 fps which is really the speed a JSB king seems happiest at.
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Add a little hammer weight and it will wake up further.
I took the .25 max back to @ 140 bar leaving in the @13 gram hammer weight. It cruses along with HST cap flush with back of receiver at @ 890 fps which is really the speed a JSB king seems happiest at.
Should I buy some steel washers or something like that to place inside the Hammer ?
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As per suggested by Troy and Scott I backed the Hammerspring all the way out on the MAX,.....trying to make it into a 30 FPE gun.
with the 28gr Benjamin I got strings in the 640-650 fps so 26 FPE :) :) tomorrow I'll turn the spring in a bit and start testing with the JSB, looking to be in the -/+ 750 fps.
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My goal for this 2 guns is to get the Standard to 60 FPE for hog hunting and the MAX to 30 FPE for backyard pesting/protection
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I agree. Barrel twist rate? Choked?
Per Travis ...
.22 cal ... 5.46 bore, 5.62 groove 1-17.7" twist
.25 cal ... 6.29 bore, 6.46 groove 1-17.7 twist
Got confirmation ... Choked
In this video around 11:52 He says the barrels are un choked to shoot slugs.Can someone clear this up.
Originally unchoked but now running a choke. Other small changes will happen as we prepare for production to start
Would be nice to keep track of all the changes made from the ones tested to the ones that hit the market. I am not saying changes are going to affect the buyer's market, but it would be nice to know if things are changed from what is tested. Why did you guys change the barrels if you do not mind me asking? Im sure it was to make them better.
Not to speak for Travis or JTS ....
IMO these rifles are NOT monster power makers and knowing for most slug shooting purposes you want a BIG POWER PCP to get them shooting fast enough to really be beneficial. Leaving you to realize these are PELLET RIFLES and suited as such to shoot pellets !! Said .. most pellet rifles do better overall with choked barrels.
Again JMO ...
Thanks for posting that.
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Seeing that threaded barrel makes me real happy! Such a nice design. Like Cole mentioned, only guns I know with that are Taipan Veterans, AAA EVOLs, and also Edgun R5 series. What do all those guns have in common??? No POI shifts as barrel is held securely to the breech. I love that this gun has that.
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My SPA M16 (outlaw) that i bought back in 2018 also has a threaded barrel. It's a nice feature and i wondered why other manufactures don't use it more? I like that i can remove the barrel without having to take off my scope.
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Today I'm gonna test the shorter stronger Rainstorm .357 spring in the Standard and see where the power is.
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Manny,
Remember the hammers weight as delivered is pretty light and reason for was confirmed by Travis being >12fpe tunable for some foreign markets.
More than spring rate ... WEIGHT added will help you the most IMO.
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Manny,
Remember the hammers weight as delivered is pretty light and reason for was confirmed by Travis being >12fpe tunable for some foreign markets.
More than spring rate ... WEIGHT added will help you the most IMO.
How can I easily ad weight ? ....maybe get a bunch of steel washers ?
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Manny,
Remember the hammers weight as delivered is pretty light and reason for was confirmed by Travis being >12fpe tunable for some foreign markets.
More than spring rate ... WEIGHT added will help you the most IMO.
How can I easily ad weight ? ....maybe get a bunch of steel washers ?
I'll send you a 15gr brass tophat today.
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putting a heavy spring can cause the hammer to smash into the back of the valve damaging the valve body.
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Ok then, I'll stop everything and wait for the weight from Troy,....standby :)
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OK since I'm on standby with the Standard, I just tested the MAX and she is shooting the JSB 25gr at 730-750 fps,
Next I'm going to fill her to 200 BAR and do a full chrono string
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OK since I'm on standby with the Standard, I just tested the MAX and she is shooting the JSB 25gr at 730-750 fps,
Next I'm going to fill her to 200 BAR and do a full chrono string
Not to sound like some sort of ECHO ... Echo ... echo
Same thing if looking to juice it up in power. factory spring only gets you so much and more spring does not help that much :-[ some MORE weight again is what ( Thus Far ) both myself and Troy have realized and shared on some of the other JTS threads running right now.
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Yes, waiting for the 15gr weight from Troy to resume testing on the Standard,....already took the Evanix spring out, never actually even shot it once with it.
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Ok here we go,
Filled to 200 BAR
I think the regulator is set around the 140 BAR mark and you will see the spike in velocity around shot 45.
I then stopped when the velocity was back around 750 fps and the gun was down to 90 BAR
This is with 25gr JSBs
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789......guessing off the regulator
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Here I stopped and pressure was 90 BAR
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drop the regulator pressure a bit and your golden
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drop the regulator pressure a bit and your golden
Yeah, that's what I figured,....110 BARish ?
What do I have to do ? .......I have zero experience with regulators :) :)
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Seeing that threaded barrel makes me real happy! Such a nice design. Like Cole mentioned, only guns I know with that are Taipan Veterans, AAA EVOLs, and also Edgun R5 series. What do all those guns have in common??? No POI shifts as barrel is held securely to the breech. I love that this gun has that.
Yeah Dillon, that is the feature I'm most excited to see on a budget friendly gun like this. An experience with that .177 barrel project I've been working on for the Vet from a few days ago illustrates my point. Swapped out the barrels and the very first shots from the new .177 barrel were perfect on the horizontal and about 1/2 a mil high @ 30 yards. And that's mostly because the .177 is going so much faster than the 25.4gr .22 was. That's with zero scope adjustments. A threaded barrel/breech can only point to one place when everything is all snugged up, assuming good machining on the female and male threads.
As long as the machining tolerances hold for the production models to what Scott says he's seeing, I think this is going to make the budget friendly portion of the market VERY VERY VERY pleased with accuracy and consistency.
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If these guns are choked I don't want one.
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If these guns are choked I don't want one.
That's what he said, both are choked, made for pellets.
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An option for after market un chocked barrel would be great!
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Nice string, Manny. A tweak to that regulator is going to net you a really nice looooong string. I also want to know more about ergonomics, though- how does it carry afield and shooting free-hand?
I can live with a pellet-shooter. Fire-lapping improved the ability to shoot NSAs on several of my airguns, but I agree an unchoked barrel would be sweet.
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Anyone know where I can find a list of the changes that have been made since the testers tested the two air rifles?
I thought I had read here changes were made and off to production, but I guess I was wrong. Im still new here and learning to navigate the site still. I'm not losing my mind yet or at least I do not thing so lol.
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Looks like around 1.5~ fpe/ci @ 30 fpe in .25 cal. Definitely noticing the shorter barrel on efficiency, and there is really no working around to that. Smaller air volume availability along with shorter barrel will make this platform more akin to .177-.22. With decreased efficiency also comes increased noise.
.25 cal really needs a bit more barrel IMO to shine. Toss a bottle and 3 more inches of barrel on this puppy, and .25 cal will really shine. (for its intended purposes in this caliber).
Being choked and 18" leaves little to no room for most guys to that want to remove the choke and shoot slugs, a 16" barrel wont suffice in .25 cal.
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Nice string, Manny. A tweak to that regulator is going to net you a really nice looooong string. I also want to know more about ergonomics, though- how does it carry afield and shooting free-hand?
I can live with a pellet-shooter. Fire-lapping improved the ability to shoot NSAs on several of my airguns, but I agree an unchoked barrel would be sweet.
So,
The Standard is truly a joy to carry, the stock shape is very nice both grip and forestock ( like I mentioned it feels like I'm handling my Marlin 60 )
the low comb and weaver rail with the magazine that is out of the way gives you the chance to put a scope in as low to the bore as you can, keep the bell small 32mm or less and you can get very, very close.
The MAX has great proportions, a bit heavier and bulkier but the grip is very comfortable and the beveled forestock is a very nice comfortable design, all in all the stock is well designed and the gun has great proportions and balance.
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Thanks, Manny!
That adds to the conversation here:
Looks like around 1.5~ fpe/ci @ 30 fpe in .25 cal. Definitely noticing the shorter barrel on efficiency, and there is really no working around to that. Smaller air volume availability along with shorter barrel will make this platform more akin to .177-.22. With decreased efficiency also comes increased noise.
.25 cal really needs a bit more barrel IMO to shine. Toss a bottle and 3 more inches of barrel on this puppy, and .25 cal will really shine. (for its intended purposes in this caliber).
Being choked and 18" leaves little to no room for most guys to that want to remove the choke and shoot slugs, a 16" barrel wont suffice in .25 cal.
Here's the deal. It's a dedicated pellet flinger and doesn't cost much; and I've yet to find a lightweight affordable hunting rifle that has a bottle. Those 3 words don't co-exist. Pick 2, you don't get a third.
I'll take a shorter barrel for more versatility when carrying in tight eastern woods. Bottle-guns thrive as bench guns, but I've yet to find any bottle-gun that was ergonomically comfy to carry and still hit the mark on "inexpensive", which is the whole point of these PCPs. Affordable and feature-rich.
The very items that make this gun affordable and lightweight would be negated by increasing length and adding a bottle.
Oddly enough, I have a sub-14" barrel on my Leshiy classic in .25 (350mm) and it's without a doubt the best hunting rifle I've found, Making a claim of 16" barrel not sufficing is inaccurate, especially when taking into consideration the factors involved:
1- pricepoint
2- features
3- weight
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My Rainstorms have 17" Barrels,....they have been pretty sufficient for a decade plus :) :) :)
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This appears to be a nicely made rifle. The threaded barrel has mostly been in the realm of custom single shots like my old XP Ranger 45. However, I am just not in the market for another PCP pellet shooter.
These guns will be very competitive and it is a nice stock on the unregulated rifle as I have stated before, but for this old bullet caster it is just another short magazined, choked pellet shooter of which I own too many now.
I have had a few nice single shot slug shooters and still own a Texan LSS 257, but longer magazine slug rifles like the Benjamin Bulldog and the Kral Bighorn, once the choke was removed, have spoiled me with those longer magazines that work well with my cast bullets.
Basically if it is not suited or designed for cast projectiles, I am intrigued, but not interested at the same time.
Luckily for the manufacturer of these potentially value packed rifles, I am in the minority.
Good luck,
Roachcreek
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The MAX is really a beautiful gun, you don't see guns that aesthetically pleasing in this price range.
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The MAX is really a beautiful gun, you don't see guns that aesthetically pleasing in this price range.
Enough already Manny! Take my money and send me that rifle! ;D ;D
Not kidding either!
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The MAX is really a beautiful gun, you don't see guns that aesthetically pleasing in this price range.
Looks come second. I dont have safe queens. Those days have sailed. If I own it I am going to use it. I care about function over form. Form is the icing on the cake.
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The MAX is really a beautiful gun, you don't see guns that aesthetically pleasing in this price range.
Looks come second. I dont have safe queens. Those days have sailed. If I own it I am going to use it. I care about function over form. Form is the icing on the cake.
Fare enough, but what if you cab have both ? :)
I don't have safe queens and treat my guns all the same, a tactical or a nice wooden stoked gun.
I wouldn't get a gun just because it looked good if it didn't perform, but I also couldn't get a gun that performed but I didn't like the looks.
One example, I turned down a free 1500 bucks gun a company offer to send me because I didn't like the looks of it :)
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OK so I changed my mind again ;D ;D ;D
Decided to keep my Winchester as my low power gun, so I maxed out the spring on the MAX and this is the string I got,
200 BAR 28gr Benjamin pellets :
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851
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838........Off the regulator
45 FPE for 22 shots and can get more if fill to 240 BAR
this is also the best string yet, guess the gun is also breaking in or she just really like this tune ;)
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OK so I changed my mind again ;D ;D ;D
Decided to keep my Winchester as my low power gun, so I maxed out the spring on the MAX and this is the string I got,
200 BAR 28gr Benjamin pellets :
848
851
852
850
851
852
852
851
848
849
848
847
849
849
850
851
848
847
847
848
852
849
838........Off the regulator
45 FPE for 22 shots and can get more if fill to 240 BAR
this is also the best string yet, guess the gun is also breaking in or she just really like this tune ;)
That's awesome consistency! Looks like the regulator has settled in and you are in the sweet spot.
What is the weight on the standard and max? I must have missed where you posted them. The Standard might be a nice replacement for my SPA PR900 (Stormrider) if the weight is very low. I'm hoping I can get my wife to shoot the Stormrider with me since it is so light.
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Haven't weighed the MAX but the standard weighed 7lb 2oz before scope.
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I still forgot to take a scale from work, I hope I remember tonight so I can get the exact weight of the guns all set up with a full mag in.
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So, I'm on a holding pattern waiting for the Hammer weight to finally tune the Standard.
The MAX is where I want it now, she's gonna stay like this.
What am I going to do now ?
In the next couple days I will work on the stocks, some steel wool and then some Tung oil to finish them up ;D
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What? No hog hunting?
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What? No hog hunting?
Not until I get the Standard up to -/+ 60 FPE :) :)
also I'm working so much at the moment with the surf contests on on top of everything else that I really have no time to hunt, by next month I should have some time to go chase them :)
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Can't wait to see how those stocks come alive!
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Can't wait to see how those stocks come alive!
I agree! I wasn't very impressed with the wood when I saw the ShotShow pix, it will be nice to see what Manny does to the MAX!
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OK so I changed my mind again ;D ;D ;D
Decided to keep my Winchester as my low power gun, so I maxed out the spring on the MAX and this is the string I got,
200 BAR 28gr Benjamin pellets :
848
851
852
850
851
852
852
851
848
849
848
847
849
849
850
851
848
847
847
848
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849
838........Off the regulator
45 FPE for 22 shots and can get more if fill to 240 BAR
this is also the best string yet, guess the gun is also breaking in or she just really like this tune ;)
That's awesome consistency! Looks like the regulator has settled in and you are in the sweet spot.
What is the weight on the standard and max? I must have missed where you posted them. The Standard might be a nice replacement for my SPA PR900 (Stormrider) if the weight is very low. I'm hoping I can get my wife to shoot the Stormrider with me since it is so light.
So I thought the Standard was supposed to make more power than the max even though its unregulated? Like 50+ FPE at around 900.
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Correct, the Standard maxed out stock makes 50 FPE
the MAX maxed out stock makes 45 FPE
At least the 2 I have, and by maxed out I mean maxing out the hammerspring adjuster
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This appears to be a nicely made rifle. The threaded barrel has mostly been in the realm of custom single shots like my old XP Ranger 45. However, I am just not in the market for another PCP pellet shooter.
These guns will be very competitive and it is a nice stock on the unregulated rifle as I have stated before, but for this old bullet caster it is just another short magazined, choked pellet shooter of which I own too many now.
I have had a few nice single shot slug shooters and still own a Texan LSS 257, but longer magazine slug rifles like the Benjamin Bulldog and the Kral Bighorn, once the choke was removed, have spoiled me with those longer magazines that work well with my cast bullets.
Basically if it is not suited or designed for cast projectiles, I am intrigued, but not interested at the same time.
Luckily for the manufacturer of these potentially value packed rifles, I am in the minority.
Good luck,
Roachcreek
+1 They sure didn't have slugs in mind when they put a choked barrel on them I wholeheartedly agree with you RC, they need to design them with a deeper magazine for shooting good slugs from.
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Considering they sell these guns internationally, they have to accommodate for pellet shooters abroad. Also the reason why the hammer is so light. I’m hoping Troy can special request non choked barrels and heavier hammers from JTS.
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I don't know if it will play a factor in these particular guns but, I remember when we were all modding and tinkering with the SPA guns... the barrels were one of the parts that we were not able to get. China was not permitted to ship barrels as parts.
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I don't know if it will play a factor in these particular guns but, I remember when we were all modding and tinkering with the SPA guns... the barrels were one of the parts that we were not able to get. China was not permitted to ship barrels as parts.
I talked with Mike M from FDAR and he said that isn't true and the same goes for the stocks as well. That was back when SPA was telling people that. That's one of the few reasons I haven't bought any SPA guns in a very long time.
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I don't know if it will play a factor in these particular guns but, I remember when we were all modding and tinkering with the SPA guns... the barrels were one of the parts that we were not able to get. China was not permitted to ship barrels as parts.
I talked with Mike M from FDAR and he said that isn't true and the same goes for the stocks as well. That was back when SPA was telling people that. That's one of the few reasons I haven't bought any SPA guns in a very long time.
Got ya.... yeah, I was told that by Julie at SPA personally... I just took her at her word.
But they also charged $50 shipping for parts we could get.... :o
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Bill I doubt that you can even buy parts from SPA anymore.
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Probably not.... it's all good, I'm pretty much out of the SPA game anyways.
I have a couple more to sell and I'm done.
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I just talk to Wes and he sends me SPA parts, but the barrels have been impossible to get since I've been buying SPA stuff for the last year. I heard from another Canadian company they were supposed to be getting some Stormrider .22 cal barrels, but got sent a box of .177 Chaser Rifle barrels by mistake. The same could have happened to Wes because he did have spare .177 Chaser rifle barrels.
Kind of hard to judge parts availability at the moment between the pandemic factory closures and shipping delays. I'm sure three years ago parts were much easier to get for SPA stuff.
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Correct, the Standard maxed out stock makes 50 FPE
the MAX maxed out stock makes 45 FPE
At least the 2 I have, and by maxed out I mean maxing out the hammerspring adjuster
I suspect there is a bit more power on the table for the Standard if you fill a bit higher, but it may not be worth it for you personally.
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Correct, the Standard maxed out stock makes 50 FPE
the MAX maxed out stock makes 45 FPE
At least the 2 I have, and by maxed out I mean maxing out the hammerspring adjuster
I suspect there is a bit more power on the table for the Standard if you fill a bit higher, but it may not be worth it for you personally.
Not stock, if you look at my string with the hammerspring adjuster maxed out it has already a bell curve starting 879 fps and back to 880 fps at shot 14, peaking at shot 7 @ 898 fps,
so filling at more pressure would only extend the curve, once I get the ad on hammer weight and play with stronger springs then yes filling to more pressure will come into play.
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My last email conversation with Xhu-Li AKA Julie at SPA indicated vendors/authorized distributors can buy barrels, but owners of the SPA guns cannot. I'm okay with that. There are better barrles out there and if people want them, they'll buy them. I try to keep things in perspective- no company offers superlative barrels in budget airguns.
My SPA PP700, PP750, and M25 all have demonstrated excellent accuracy for the budget. But they simply aren't as good as the top-of-line stuff from Easten Europe and the UK.
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Did not realize until now but the Standard tube is smaller then the MAX tube.
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Today is going to be Stocks day.
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Today is going to be Stocks day.
Nice
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Manny... please don't make them all shiny and glassy.
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Yeah, shiny glossy to me just looks cheap! When I got my xisico xs-60c I stripped it down, sanded it a little, restained it with a darker stain and gave it 3 coats of lacquer. It looks way more better now ;)
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Manny... please don't make them all shiny and glassy.
Tung oil don't make them shiny, will finish with Carnuba oil wax and that you can make shiny or dull, probably will buff it for the pictures :) :)
The wood was very thirsty, soaked up the Tung oil fast.
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yeah, I don't want to eat with them or comb my hair in them... I want to shoot them.
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Manny... please don't make them all shiny and glassy.
Tung oil don't make them shiny, will finish with Carnuba oil wax and that you can make shiny or dull, probably will buff it for the pictures :) :)
The wood was very thirsty, soaked up the Tung oil fast.
It's all good, they are yours to do with as you choose.... some folks don't like Marauder type mags and some don't like shiny stocks..... ;)
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MMMM, Shiny!! ;D ;)
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MMMM, Shiny!! ;D ;)
They will be shiny tomorrow with buffed Carnuba oil wax but then they naturally will dull up with use :)
If I had a shop I would have sprayed them with Minwax Polyurethane but since I don't Tung Oil was the easiest finish to apply.
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MMMM, Shiny!! ;D ;)
They will be shiny tomorrow with buffed Carnuba oil wax but then they naturally will dull up with use :)
Pictures, please! ;)
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After about 7-10 coats of poly/varnish mix (hood finishing systems) let sit for a few days and then hit with the Johnsons past wax. Put on with 0000 steel wool. Hard to explain its shinny but not like gloss. Has a deep look but not cheap. I did this to my 96 square foot custom hard maple butcher block counter tops. Love it.
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Carnuba Paste Wax, been using it on my bows for over 2 decades.
Love how it gives the wood that hardwood feel, can buff it or can leave it completely dull.
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Carnuba Paste Wax, been using it on my bows for over 2 decades.
Love how it gives the wood that hardwood feel, can buff it or can leave it completely dull.
I prefer carnauba and beeswax myself.
-A bit off topic-
There are some ooooold spirit varnishes that are made with balsam fir resin that look amazing, but are hard to make and don't wear very well. Balsam fir resin has to be used with a solvent like high proof alcohol, but if you get the formula right it will be perfectly optically clear, and was traditionally used on very expensive instruments like violins and pianos. Unlike turpentine based varnishes, balsam spirit varnishes are safe to handle and balsam resin when prepared into a salve can actually treat most skin conditions. Balsam resin used to be the preferred choice for mounting specimens for microscopic examination due to the optic qualities. It was much more popular before modern synthetic resins.
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Done ;D ;D ;D
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“A thing of beauty is a joy forever.”
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Really Look Fantastic
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Done ;D ;D ;D
That standard looks awesome! i need that recipe for finishing without the shine.
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Done ;D ;D ;D
That standard looks awesome! i need that recipe for finishing without the shine.
This was as simple as it gets, 2 coats of Tung Oil and some Carnuba oil paste wax less then 2o hours from start to finish :) :)
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So someone on the other thread asked about regulator creep.
I just aired up the MAX to 200 BAR and will let it sit until tomorrow or maybe even Sunday Then I'll put her through the Chronograph
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Nice job Manny.... I could live with that.
Back in the days of the (Xisico) FD PCP 'tinkerer's dream' guns Betty Lou and I redid a few of the stocks. I believe they were beech. Beech is an odd wood to work with. It depends on grain direction whether it runs side to side or top to bottom. If top to bottom you'll get that wormhole/pepper design and it gets blotchy. If side to side you can get a really nice grain pattern.
We found two of the side to side patterns out of the three we had. One of those we refinished with the old jail house stain. Jail house method is simply coffee grounds. Put just enough boiling water in them to make them oatmeal consistency and rub them into the wood. Then we finished it with a satin gloss spray.
The results....
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Super nice!! Realy enjoy your input! Makes it an easy decision to get on the buy list Thanks
Nomadic Pirate
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Nice job Manny.... I could live with that.
Back in the days of the (Xisico) FD PCP 'tinkerer's dream' guns Betty Lou and I redid a few of the stocks. I believe they were beech. Beech is an odd wood to work with. It depends on grain direction whether it runs side to side or top to bottom. If top to bottom you'll get that wormhole/pepper design and it gets blotchy. If side to side you can get a really nice grain pattern.
We found two of the side to side patterns out of the three we had. One of those we refinished with the old jail house stain. Jail house method is simply coffee grounds. Put just enough boiling water in them to make them oatmeal consistency and rub them into the wood. Then we finished it with a satin gloss spray.
The results....
Those are handsome rifles! Your the finish looks great too. I agree that beech is a funny wood for aesthetics. Usually it is chosen for durability rather than looks. My Stormrider has a blonde German beech stock that actually looks very nice, but not as nice as the Sepatia/Indonesian walnut on our Seneca Eagle Claw.
These JTS stocks are very sharp, some of the better looking stocks on PCPs. If I didn't already have my Stormrider the Airacuda standard would be a nice pick, though a bit heavy in comparison.
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Ok then; ....Regulator creep.
The gun has been sitting at 200 BAR for over 24 hours, this test was purred by someone asking about creep on an other thread.
same 28gr Benjamin pellets, same 45 FPE tune ( this gun will stay at this tune just about perfect imo )
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I know nothing about regulated guns so you can draw your own conclusions ;D ;D ;D
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Ok then; ....Regulator creep.
The gun has been sitting at 200 BAR for over 24 hours, this test was purred by someone asking about creep on an other thread.
same 28gr Benjamin pellets, same 45 FPE tune ( this gun will stay at this tune just about perfect imo )
852
854
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851
852
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I know nothing about regulated guns so you can draw your own conclusions ;D ;D ;D
That's about the best you could ask for from even a top tier gun. Good show for JTS!
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Manny, how long did you pause between shots?
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Manny, how long did you pause between shots?
Just enough to write the number on my note pad, then immediately chambered next round and shot,.....10 seconds ? maybe less ?
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How is the accuracy so far on these guns?
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Manny, how long did you pause between shots?
Just enough to write the number on my note pad, then immediately chambered next round and shot,.....10 seconds ? maybe less ?
OK so, plenty of time for the reg to catch up.
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I will try some speed shooting next, didn't think about that :)
......will just need to remember the speeds :) :) , or at least remember if they deviate much from the -/+ 850s I'm getting now :)
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I will try some speed shooting next, didn't think about that :)
......will just need to remember the speeds :) :) , or at least remember if they deviate much from the -/+ 850s I'm getting now :)
yeah, I don't know enough about regs to positively claim that that the reg needs time to catch up but, I do know that I got more consistent numbers with my Avenger if I slowed my roll when shooting it.
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I will try some speed shooting next, didn't think about that :)
......will just need to remember the speeds :) :) , or at least remember if they deviate much from the -/+ 850s I'm getting now :)
yeah, I don't know enough about regs to positively claim that that the reg needs time to catch up but, I do know that I got more consistent numbers with my Avenger if I slowed my roll when shooting it.
Not today, gotta go work soon but tomorrow I'll try some speed shooting
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I will try some speed shooting next, didn't think about that :)
......will just need to remember the speeds :) :) , or at least remember if they deviate much from the -/+ 850s I'm getting now :)
yeah, I don't know enough about regs to positively claim that that the reg needs time to catch up but, I do know that I got more consistent numbers with my Avenger if I slowed my roll when shooting it.
Not today, gotta go work soon but tomorrow I'll try some speed shooting
Sorry no time today either, going to work shortly,.......will speed test definitely tomorrow tho.
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Has there been any word on when they will make store fronts yet? Bought a hand pump the other day and probably a scope and mounts in the next month or so. Probably going with something 4-12-40 power optic wise.
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Mid April
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Question for Travis or any of the other great airgunsmiths that have this guns in hand.
I like to put some weight on the trigger ( I find it to light for my liking )
......What would be the best steps to do that ?
thanks in advance.
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On the side of the trigger is window where you can see the sear engagement. Adjust the sear engagement to maximum over lap. The adjuster is in front of the safety, look at Motorheads pictures.
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Mid April
Will we be able to deal direct with JTS or do we go threw distributors?
Mike
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Mid April
Will we be able to deal direct with JTS or do we go threw distributors?
Mike
My understanding is the rifles will be available thru dealers, no direct sales from JTS.
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Mid April
Will we be able to deal direct with JTS or do we go threw distributors?
Mike
My understanding is the rifles will be available thru dealers, no direct sales from JTS.
Correct.
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Who would parts be ordered from and what parts would be available?
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Mid April
Will we be able to deal direct with JTS or do we go threw distributors?
Mike
My understanding is the rifles will be available thru dealers, no direct sales from JTS.
Correct.
Is their a list of dealers in the US that will be handling these
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Mid April
Will we be able to deal direct with JTS or do we go threw distributors?
Mike
My understanding is the rifles will be available thru dealers, no direct sales from JTS.
Correct.
Is their a list of dealers in the US that will be handling these
Yupper, he named a few but PA and Arizona were two that he mentioned. I like both and have ordered from before.
Putting it out there... it would be good to see a discount for GTA. It sure would help motivate me to buy both... or all four? :o
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Who would parts be ordered from and what parts would be available?
The Million dollar Question ! The lack of parts kept me from jumping on the Avenger band wagon.
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Who would parts be ordered from and what parts would be available?
The Million dollar Question ! The lack of parts kept me from jumping on the Avenger band wagon.
I believe the parts will be available from the dealers.
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Who would parts be ordered from and what parts would be available?
The Million dollar Question ! The lack of parts kept me from jumping on the Avenger band wagon.
I believe the parts will be available from the dealers.
Why do you believe that?
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Who would parts be ordered from and what parts would be available?
The Million dollar Question ! The lack of parts kept me from jumping on the Avenger band wagon.
I believe the parts will be available from the dealers.
Why do you believe that?
I think Travis mentioned it in one of the videos, possibly the one from Airgun Detectives but I'm not sure.
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We will have a extensive parts selection that will be available from dealers. We do not sell to the public.
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Mid April
sounds good.
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We will have a extensive parts selection that will be available from dealers. We do not sell to the public.
That is good news. Might be nice if in addition to maintenance parts there were some tuning options: light / heavy springs, maybe hammer weights or light / heavy hammers, for low power or high power tunes, and different caliber barrels for the unregulated gun.
Don’t know how many would be interested and make use of it if the guns are really kind of optimized in stock form.
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If I know what I think I know about who will be some of the sources for these guns, there will be options to have the guns tuned and set up to your desired specs.
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Even better if parts are available for home tinkering though.
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Even better if parts are available for home tinkering though.
Yeah they seem to respond very well to adjustments, spring changes and hammer weight changes,.......all that can be done quickly and easily.
a few different springs, hammer weights in your house and you can really dial the Standard in to what you want with also the 5 positions transfer port adjuster to further how much you can play.......and if you want to go deeper you can also adjust the valve return spring to limit the valve opening.
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Is there a way to adjust hammer pre-load without disassembly, like an AF style power wheel?
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Is there a way to adjust hammer pre-load without disassembly, like an AF style power wheel?
All you do is take the stock off...one screw, the just screw in or out the big hammer plug, put the stock back in.
the all operation is merely seconds.
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Maybe i'm missing something, but on all my rifles that require the action to be removed for HS adjustments, all i have done is put the 1/2 in wood drum wheel on my dermal & make a u shaped channel in the stock. A little touch up with stain & Poly & your good to go. I think some manufactures butt the HS against the stock so that it can't back out? I make mine accessible but also put vibra-tite on the treads & haven't had any issues.
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Maybe i'm missing something, but on all my rifles that require the action to be removed for HS adjustments, all i have done is put the 1/2 in wood drum wheel on my dermal & make a u shaped channel in the stock. A little touch up with stain & Poly & your good to go. I think some manufactures butt the HS against the stock so that it can't back out? I make mine accessible but also put vibra-tite on the treads & haven't had any issues.
You are completely right many do that and works good, the stock in the Standard would lend itself well to that mod, I myself once I find where I want to be I hardly mess with it for months, until I decide to go in a different direction :)
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Just ran a speed test with the MAX,......of course could not write the numbers down because I was shooting as fast as I could.
Everything looked normal, hovering just above and just below the 850 mark not one spike either way.
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Just ran a speed test with the MAX,......of course could not write the numbers down because I was shooting as fast as I could.
Everything looked normal, hovering just above and just below the 850 mark not one spike either way.
That's a solid regulator!
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Anyway, I'm just doing some extended field testing and trying things out,......the real reviews will be from those guys that will eventually buy the guns and share their experience on the forums.
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Since I'm waiting for the hammer weight from Troy, today I was just messing around with the Standard, degassing it taking it apart and putting it back together ( not all the way to bare bones ) just simple things that normal people would do, not the extent the expert tuners get to.
Anyway, very easy and intuitive to work on it.
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I have been reading this thread for a few weeks and I can say that it has absolutely no useful information at this point or in the past few weeks.
It almost feels like promotional/marketing material.
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Since I'm waiting for the hammer weight from Troy, today I was just messing around with the Standard, degassing it taking it apart and putting it back together ( not all the way to bare bones ) just simple things that normal people would do, not the extent the expert tuners get to.
Anyway, very easy and intuitive to work on it.
It's good that it's easy so beginners like me can't screw up as easily. Lol
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I have been reading this thread for a few weeks and I can say that it has absolutely no useful information at this point or in the past few weeks.
It almost feels like promotional/marketing material.
Lol .... go too and read other threads about these rifles
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I have been reading this thread for a few weeks and I can say that it has absolutely no useful information at this point or in the past few weeks.
It almost feels like promotional/marketing material.
Yeah the professionals are posting on other threads, I'm just the dumb airgunner that talks about ergonomics, weight, size or rifles, power and eventually durability :)
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Nomadic, do you do videos of your tests or just pen to paper?
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Nomadic, do you do videos of your tests or just pen to paper?
I did videos but not a big fan of talking on camera, most of my videos are silent just shooting and showing groups or stuff like that.
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Right on brother.
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I have been reading this thread for a few weeks and I can say that it has absolutely no useful information at this point or in the past few weeks.
It almost feels like promotional/marketing material.
Keep in mind the title of this thread.
There's several reviews going on- ya want tuning info, Scott and Troy (Motorhead and TroyHammer) and the others... You want "carry in the field and handling", then you're in the right place. Manny doesn't sit at a bench with PCPs in a bag rest for hours on end. Pump/fill/shoot, carry out and about, some info about how user-friendly to operate/disassemble- stuff that really makes a difference once you know tech details from other threads and are sitting on the fence trying to decide between 2 PCPs with similar features.
Among the most important aspect of any airgun to me is how it carries in the woods. Manny lives in tropical paradise and hunts terrain that has a lot of vertical, not just dense rainforest. IE: it is similar to our property- dense eastern hardwood forests in the foothills of the Appalachians. And he's an accomplished airgun hunter going after potentially dangerous game: feral swine. So if he gives a nod to a PCP, I take it into consideration. Not saying the other folks' opinions don't matter- they do- big time! But how a rifle handles in the field is important to me and my wife, since most of our shooting occurs this way.
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Nomadic, do you do videos of your tests or just pen to paper?
I did videos but not a big fan of talking on camera, most of my videos are silent just shooting and showing groups or stuff like that.
I am the same way, can't stand the sound of my voice on video! Sometimes I think about doing a YouTube channel for my farm, but I'm just not a "public facing" type.
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I have been reading this thread for a few weeks and I can say that it has absolutely no useful information at this point or in the past few weeks.
It almost feels like promotional/marketing material.
Yeah the professionals are posting on other threads, I'm just the dumb airgunner that talks about ergonomics, weight, size or rifles, power and eventually durability :)
So.... You tested all the day to day useability stuff? Thanks for your perspective and recommendation.
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I have been reading this thread for a few weeks and I can say that it has absolutely no useful information at this point or in the past few weeks.
It almost feels like promotional/marketing material.
Just out of curiosity I went back to have a look at the thread since I forgot what is in it :) Haha
Mainly looks like a bunch of people chatting away but I also seen pictures and some input from the pros abut trigger, barrel twist, dismantling the gun, accuracy, shroud caraterystics and other stuff I already forgot :) :)
not many but I also posted some strings at various different hammerstring settings, the magazine was discussed, the Stocks/ergonomics where discussed, the Sidelever was discussed, fill unit was discussed, fill pressure was discussed, weight/length was discussed
What is it that you actually need to know ? ......let me know and if it is in my capability I'll do it otherwise I will ask the Pros and see if they have it in the data they collected.
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It's really cool seeing all the various sides of these guns from the different testers. From reviews and accuracy to detailed inner workings. My take is a little different. I wasn't chosen as a true tester but for me it was so I could get a look at them before I place an order for the store. I wanted an entry price gun that I could pull off the shelf and be confident when it shipped out it was ready to go and boy has it proven that and more. I will still pressure test/chrony/accuracy test every one before shipping but I have full confidence I can ship an order and it be a solid performing gun for the customer. I've been able to duplicate all the other testers numbers so I know they are consistent from gun to gun. Also being a tuning shop in addition to retal I wanted to see where they could be pushed to. Still a few more tweaks to try but I can tell you the .25 standard can make in excess of 65fpe. I'm beyond impressed and think you'll be seeing a lot more from them.
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It's really cool seeing all the various sides of these guns from the different testers. From reviews and accuracy to detailed inner workings. My take is a little different. I wasn't chosen as a true tester but for me it was so I could get a look at them before I place an order for the store. I wanted an entry price gun that I could pull off the shelf and be confident when it shipped out it was ready to go and boy has it proven that and more. I will still pressure test/chrony/accuracy test every one before shipping but I have full confidence I can ship an order and it be a solid performing gun for the customer. I've been able to duplicate all the other testers numbers so I know they are consistent from gun to gun. Also being a tuning shop in addition to retal I wanted to see where they could be pushed to. Still a few more tweaks to try but I can tell you the .25 standard can make in excess of 65fpe. I'm beyond impressed and think you'll be seeing a lot more from them.
Sounds like I need to buy one from you? You are speaking my language there, Troy! ;)
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It's really cool seeing all the various sides of these guns from the different testers. From reviews and accuracy to detailed inner workings. My take is a little different. I wasn't chosen as a true tester but for me it was so I could get a look at them before I place an order for the store. I wanted an entry price gun that I could pull off the shelf and be confident when it shipped out it was ready to go and boy has it proven that and more. I will still pressure test/chrony/accuracy test every one before shipping but I have full confidence I can ship an order and it be a solid performing gun for the customer. I've been able to duplicate all the other testers numbers so I know they are consistent from gun to gun. Also being a tuning shop in addition to retal I wanted to see where they could be pushed to. Still a few more tweaks to try but I can tell you the .25 standard can make in excess of 65fpe. I'm beyond impressed and think you'll be seeing a lot more from them.
Sounds like I need to buy one from you? You are speaking my language there, Troy! ;)
It's the best 15 minutes you can spend as a store. Verify that it's in working order and it will save you countless hours down the road. Shipping is too expensive for that step to be skipped.
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I like the way you think! ;)
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It's really cool seeing all the various sides of these guns from the different testers. From reviews and accuracy to detailed inner workings. My take is a little different. I wasn't chosen as a true tester but for me it was so I could get a look at them before I place an order for the store. I wanted an entry price gun that I could pull off the shelf and be confident when it shipped out it was ready to go and boy has it proven that and more. I will still pressure test/chrony/accuracy test every one before shipping but I have full confidence I can ship an order and it be a solid performing gun for the customer. I've been able to duplicate all the other testers numbers so I know they are consistent from gun to gun. Also being a tuning shop in addition to retal I wanted to see where they could be pushed to. Still a few more tweaks to try but I can tell you the .25 standard can make in excess of 65fpe. I'm beyond impressed and think you'll be seeing a lot more from them.
This in itself is worth it's weight in gold,......this review compliments all others. Troy has been a stand up guy for years and has sured up the Kral market and helped Kral owners in the US for years.
Again for those that complain there's nothing, nothing of value on this thread, please voice what you need and I'm sure someone will answer your concerns,...thanks.
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OK I run into my first problem with the Cudas,
The MAX even if regulated with a truly tiny spread in the string as never been as accurate as the standard that has an obvious largerv spread through the bell curve, the other day I wanted to see how much more quiet the gun was going to be with an LDC ( the MAX is pretty darn quiet as is ) and I got some pretty severe clipping,
I spent the past couple days playing around with different combinations to see how severe it is.
First I put a .30 Evanix endcap on and groups shrank a bit, I then took the all baffle system out andjust used the .30 Endcap and Baracudas where literally following in the same hole, like if I only shot one pellet,
reinserted the baffles and and the .25 Endcap and the rugged hole got bigger so definitely there's some contact in there.
I've not heard of any others having this problem so I just chalked down to my luck :) :)
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There is a procedure for putting the baffles in and tightening the locking collar down, I will email you a video Manny. If you dont do it the baffles and stripper can move around causing clipping. Its not a fix its how its supposed to be done.
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There is a procedure for putting the baffles in and tightening the locking collar down, I will email you a video Manny. If you dont do it the baffles and stripper can move around causing clipping. Its not a fix its how its supposed to be done.
Did that Travis, took that collar all the way out to inspect it too and has some markings,.....I did tightened before ( couple weeks ago ) and after I tested without baffles.
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Next I'm gonna look in my bag of Evanix baffles to see if I have some that are a bit wider and play with them.
On the other hand I can tell you that the baffle system really works, the gun is pretty lout without it and the .30 cap
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You cant test it without baffles they hold the stripper down, The stripper is floating. Video sent. The hole threw the baffles is over sized so clipping shouldnt be a issue if all installed correctly.
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Forgot ;
I also tested with just the LDC and no baffle system and the clipping was still there so there's definitely a missaligment between barrel and shroud somewhere.
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You cant test it without baffles they hold the stripper down, The stripper is floating. Video sent. The hole threw the baffles is over sized so clipping shouldnt be a issue if all installed correctly.
Yes I had to glue the stripper to the barrel so it would stay in place without the baffle system to hold it
yeah I measured the hole in the baffles and if I remember correctly was .313
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You cant test it without baffles they hold the stripper down, The stripper is floating. Video sent. The hole threw the baffles is over sized so clipping shouldnt be a issue if all installed correctly.
Yes I had to glue the stripper to the barrel so it would stay in place without the baffle system to hold it
yeah I measured the hole in the baffles and if I remember correctly was .313
Watch the video. Stripper HAS to go in the correct way. It can be put on backwards.
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Yes it has a little step to hold the baffles I always put it in the right way
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Cudas love Cudas !!!
It's only fitting that the Aircudas love the Baracuda 31gr pellet :)
I fixed the clipping in the MAX by putting some Rainstorm baffles that are .380 and a Rainstorm Endcap that is .392
Next I want to try the first string on the MAX from 240 BAR and using the Baracuda pellet.
.....Still waiting for the ad ons from Troy to test the Standard at higher powers,
but yesterday I took her in the woods and it's really a nice carry rifle, also did some long range shooting and was hitting tiny pebbles no problem from 40 to 70 yards,.....I think the accuracy is really there.
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MAX filled to 240 BAR
ans sporting a Rainstorm endcap.
As soon as it stops drizzling I get a chronograph string with the Baracudas
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Manny, why did you put the RS stuff on the gun? Was something wrong with the OEM parts? And if so, is Xisico fixing it before production?
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Manny, why did you put the RS stuff on the gun? Was something wrong with the OEM parts? And if so, is Xisico fixing it before production?
The MAX was clipping a bit so I put Rainstorm baffles and endcap that are .380 and .392 on it and now she is good.
The Standard never clipped.
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So, no indication as to what may have been causing the clipping?
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Here we go :
834
830
830
829
827
830
829
828
828
828
827
828
829
831
832
828
829
833
839
830
828
825
828
826
826
827
825
829
827
826
827
824
829
827
828
811........Off the regulator
810
So looks like 35 shots at a solid 47 FPE
not bad for a bone stock gun
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So, no indication as to what may have been causing the clipping?
My guess is the bore not being exactly centered, ......but that is only my guess,
didn't hear of any other gun clipping so it looks like a one off,...guess I was the unlucky one :) :) :)
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I've got the same problem with my sentry .25 cal. The muzzle end of the barrel is centered pretty good but the reciever end of the barrel is off center by a lot.
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Here we go :
834
830
830
829
827
830
829
828
828
828
827
828
829
831
832
828
829
833
839
830
828
825
828
826
826
827
825
829
827
826
827
824
829
827
828
811........Off the regulator
810
So looks like 35 shots at a solid 47 FPE
not bad for a bone stock gun
Just looked at my post, that 839 in the 2nd mag is my missprint it was 829
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Today I went to check out my friends land he just bought and will let me hunt, the other day he told me he was thinking to sell his Sumatra .25 carbine and get a more traditional rifle like my Rainstorms so I brought the 2 Cudas for him to try out.
he is a big firearms enthusiast and loves fine metal and wood work.
He was impressed how well the 2 guns shot, he was very impressed with the metal work, he liked the MAX a lot.
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Sounds like a trade is in your future.
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But the gun that really put a big grin on his face when I got him to shoot it was the REX Mini-Carbine shooting Airbolts ;D ;D
It's priceless to see the reaction when people take that first shot ;D ;D ;D .......it's always the same.
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But the gun that really put a big grin on his face when I got him to shoot it was the REX Mini-Carbine shooting Airbolts ;D ;D
It's priceless to see the reaction when people take that first shot ;D ;D ;D .......it's always the same.
That's understandable.
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So far only 2 things I found in this guns I don't like but those are of a personal taste ;
Safety,...never liked and still don't like safety bars inside the trigger guard.
the other thing, I know a lot of people like the Biathlon style sidelevers but i really don't, they stick out to much in my opinion and I don't really like the vertical bar,
Much prefer sidelevers like the one in my Rainstorms that are more tight into the action and just a simple straight lever.
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So far only 2 things I found in this guns I don't like but those are of a personal taste ;
Safety,...never liked and still don't like safety bars inside the trigger guard.
the other thing, I know a lot of people like the Biathlon style sidelevers but i really don't, they stick out to much in my opinion and I don't really like the vertical bar,
Much prefer sidelevers like the one in my Rainstorms that are more tight into the action and just a simple straight lever.
I bet you could add not having a threaded cap on the standard as a one thing you dont like.
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So far only 2 things I found in this guns I don't like but those are of a personal taste ;
Safety,...never liked and still don't like safety bars inside the trigger guard.
the other thing, I know a lot of people like the Biathlon style sidelevers but i really don't, they stick out to much in my opinion and I don't really like the vertical bar,
Much prefer sidelevers like the one in my Rainstorms that are more tight into the action and just a simple straight lever.
I bet you could add not having a threaded cap on the standard as a one thing you dont like.
Actually no,
the Endcap comes off and the shroud is threaded for adding LDCs,
Big bonus is that the Shroud is the same as the Evanix Shrouds so I can use the LDCs I already have.
I much prefer this system anyway ( where the LDC threads directly into the Shroud rather then needing an adapter ) then the one that DonnyFL uses, I also prefer the LDCs that Neil Clauge makes compared to the ones DonnyFL makes, and by a lot :)
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Just to understand....
If the LDC attaches to the shroud then barrel alignment becomes very critical. Correct?
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I thought I read you had an issue using your own screwed on the end. I have read so much stuff from people on these JTS guns Im confused.
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Just to understand....
If the LDC attaches to the shroud then barrel alignment becomes very critical. Correct?
shrouds ride on a variety of different guides that make barrel and shroud work as a single unit inline, so yeah the longer you ad units up front the more critical alignment is
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I thought I read you had an issue using your own screwed on the end. I have read so much stuff from people on these JTS guns Im confused.
It only becomes a problem if the barrel is not bored perfectly centered, at that point it's no difference if you use an LDC that screws directly or one that needs an adapter,....at the end of the day it's the same exact thing, only one unit vs 2 units
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So far only 2 things I found in this guns I don't like but those are of a personal taste ;
Safety,...never liked and still don't like safety bars inside the trigger guard.
the other thing, I know a lot of people like the Biathlon style sidelevers but i really don't, they stick out to much in my opinion and I don't really like the vertical bar,
Much prefer sidelevers like the one in my Rainstorms that are more tight into the action and just a simple straight lever.
Isn't that basically what the Origins lever is? Flat lever
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So far only 2 things I found in this guns I don't like but those are of a personal taste ;
Safety,...never liked and still don't like safety bars inside the trigger guard.
the other thing, I know a lot of people like the Biathlon style sidelevers but i really don't, they stick out to much in my opinion and I don't really like the vertical bar,
Much prefer sidelevers like the one in my Rainstorms that are more tight into the action and just a simple straight lever.
Isn't that basically what the Origins lever is? Flat lever
Never seen an Origin,...got pictures ?
Most people prefer the Biathlon style lever.
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More like the DAR, right?
... and the Air Speed.
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More like the DAR, right?
Yep !!! that is the style I much prefer.
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So far only 2 things I found in this guns I don't like but those are of a personal taste ;
Safety,...never liked and still don't like safety bars inside the trigger guard.
the other thing, I know a lot of people like the Biathlon style sidelevers but i really don't, they stick out to much in my opinion and I don't really like the vertical bar,
Much prefer sidelevers like the one in my Rainstorms that are more tight into the action and just a simple straight lever.
Isn't that basically what the Origins lever is? Flat lever
Never seen an Origin,...got pictures ?
Most people prefer the Biathlon style lever.
Basically the AV Avenger. Which was cloned from the Origin I believe.
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Not even in the same ballpark.
As I understand it...
The Origin has the internal precharged chamber that is in the ATI Liberty and Freedom... the Avenger does not.
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Not even in the same ballpark.
As I understand it...
The Origin has the internal precharged chamber that is in the ATI Liberty and Freedom... the Avenger does not.
Pretty sure he is referring to the lever on each, not the entire gun being the same.
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Not even in the same ballpark.
As I understand it...
The Origin has the internal precharged chamber that is in the ATI Liberty and Freedom... the Avenger does not.
Pretty sure he is referring to the lever on each, not the entire gun being the same.
"Cloned" is a pretty strong description for a similar lever.
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Yes it is. And possibly true. Working in the firearm industry, you be surprised on who pays who for certain patent use. Lol
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Just looked at the pictures and both have the Biathlon sidelever,...yeah not a huge fan of that style much prefer the one in the DAR that Avator posted the picture of.
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Just looked at the pictures and both have the Biathlon sidelever,...yeah not a huge fan of that style much prefer the one in the DAR that Avator posted the picture of.
Just take the finger pulls off the lever Manny
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Yeah, I think I will do that, good Idea.
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Just looked at the pictures and both have the Biathlon sidelever,...yeah not a huge fan of that style much prefer the one in the DAR that Avator posted the picture of.
Just take the finger pulls off the lever Manny
mail them to me Manny, I'll put them on my DAR!
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Just looked at the pictures and both have the Biathlon sidelever,...yeah not a huge fan of that style much prefer the one in the DAR that Avator posted the picture of.
Just take the finger pulls off the lever Manny
mail them to me Manny, I'll put them on my DAR!
Hahahahaha, goes to show :)
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Just looked at the pictures and both have the Biathlon sidelever,...yeah not a huge fan of that style much prefer the one in the DAR that Avator posted the picture of.
Just take the finger pulls off the lever Manny
mail them to me Manny, I'll put them on my DAR!
Hahahahaha, goes to show :)
I'll pay shipping..... 😁
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I was watching videos about dissasembling/barrel changing of the 10/22 when this video popped up so I figured I would post it.
https://youtu.be/aJUxECsJ1yc
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Over a month now with this guns not a leak, not a malfunction, not a problem with the magazines.
So far so good.
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Over a month now with this guns not a leak, not a malfunction, not a problem with the magazines.
So far so good.
I am very happy to hear you have no issues!
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I think the manufacturers have seen and learned how having nagging issues kills sales. It has to make more sense to sell properly working rifles to customers who are happy to pay versus dealing with upset customers who want a refund and to be done with your product. This is a great thing. It's called having integrity. And pride in your product.
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I think the manufacturers have seen and learned how having nagging issues kills sales. It has to make more sense to sell properly working rifles to customers who are happy to pay versus dealing with upset customers who want a refund and to be done with your product. This is a great thing. It's called having integrity. And pride in your product.
You are referring to Xisico, correct?
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I think the manufacturers have seen and learned how having nagging issues kills sales. It has to make more sense to sell properly working rifles to customers who are happy to pay versus dealing with upset customers who want a refund and to be done with your product. This is a great thing. It's called having integrity. And pride in your product.
You are referring to Xisico, correct?
I read DAR all over that myself and for good reasons. I'm told the gen lll will be solid out of the box.
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DAR GEN III should be a great gun, looking forward to see what people think when it comes out.
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DAR GEN III should be a great gun, looking forward to see what people think when it comes out.
I expect them to be better overall, if so, I will be making the gen ll into all-weather, hydro dipped guns with AR grips and extending, foldable buttstocks.
;D
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I wasn't targeting any specific manufacturer, I just see the guns coming out to the end user with no complaints more and more these days. And that is awesome for people who don't have the tools, knowledge or mechanical aptitude to fix issues.
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I'm just baffled when I hear so many complains about High End guns leaking in a very short time,
Even mid range guns,
I get it, all guns at one point will leak that is the game we are playing with O-rings,.....but please give me 3-5 years before I get a leak !!!
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I'm just baffled when I hear so many complains about High End guns leaking in a very short time,
Even mid range guns,
I get it, all guns at one point will leak that is the game we are playing with O-rings,.....but please give me 3-5 years before I get a leak !!!
Me too, it is one thing if a $500 gun leaks, quite another with a $1500 (plus) gun that leaks. And this is exactly why I do not own such a thing (yet). Do they not pressure check these guns?
Is it routine for PCP rifles to be shipped flat? My Marauder came full and ready to rock and roll and with a test target proving that somebody at least fired the thing and it held air long enough for them to do so. My UX Gauntlet 2 was flat and leaked immediately and my Gamo Urban was flat and leaked and neither came with a test target verifying the rifle was functional and accurate.
I know it might add a few bucks but I would really hope the JTS rifles come with a test target and are shipped with air and are checked for no leaks before shipment, kinda like my Marauder was functional tested. That is confidence inspiring. And the test target is proof because I assume the action is set into a fixture. I was in manufacturing and we function tested products. Of course when it comes to aviation components and products it is terribly important, lives might depend upon it.
I have several 1911 pistols, a couple of Kimbers and a Colt GI and a RIA GI, and my favorite is the lowly RIA GI. It came with a fired casing and a target with a hole in it purt near bullseye. And it is a shooting fool and has become my favorite. A target and a casing or a target and a pressure check signed off, why can that not be? Why is this hard? Especially for a $2,000 plus air rifles.
James
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James.... something to think about..
Your Marauder wasn't imported. It didn't go through Customs. The other guns you mentioned were imported. There are laws that may affect the state of pressurized vessels. If the stateside distributor does not test the gun requiring them to put air in it, you will most likely receive a 'flat' gun.
As for the JTS guns, yes, they will come out of China.... at least the parts to assemble them will. If they are assembled in the Texas Xisico location, the may come with air in them.
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This all depends on how a company is set up. Quantity over quality or vice versa. If they give a quota of guns to be built a day than yes we will get rejects. If they let the worker take time and can work out any kinks than we will get good guns. If every gun is test fired then no reason to not get them with air in them. Only time will tell, well and our money.
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Every single gun I bough ( must be north of 60 for sure ) came with air.
I'm quite sure all my Koreans came right at 100 BAR.
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Don't mean to get off subject, but i just got my SAM rifle back from Crosman for warranty work. When i called the CS person they told me to ship it with no air, which i did. When i got it back it had a white sticker on the box with 7 black bars on it. On the bottom of that label it stated (Dangerous Goods In Apparatus). It came back with a 3000 psi fill? They also sent me a new mag & a test target with 5 shots at 10 yrds from a fixture. I was told to say it was sporting equipment when i sent it back. Also they state they keep the gun 3 days to check for any leak down. That's the way repairs should be handled.