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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: farmerjoe99 on January 11, 2017, 03:35:49 PM
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Saw this and thought it might be of interest to some here: http://hardairmagazine.com/news/umarex-gauntlet-sets-new-standard%E2%80%A8-pcp-air-rifle-performance/ (http://hardairmagazine.com/news/umarex-gauntlet-sets-new-standard%E2%80%A8-pcp-air-rifle-performance/)
Umarex USA Inc. has announced what they claim to be a major breakthrough in regulated Pre-Charged Pneumatic (PCP) air rifles: the Umarex Gauntlet. Umarex says that the Gauntlet offers the performance of $1,000+ PCPs for an MSRP of just $299.
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The company tells HAM that the Umarex Gauntlet provides a huge number of consistent, powerful shots from one fill of its high capacity 13-cu. in. regulated tank. The built-in regulator delivers minimal FPS variation from shot-to-shot for long, flat shot strings—this translates directly into outstanding accuracy for hunting, Field Target competition and just-for-fun plinking.
With 70 incredibly consistent shots at 1000 FPS in .177 caliber, or 60 shots at 900 FPS in .22 caliber, the Umarex Gauntlet is said to be in a class of its own. No longer do shooters need to worry about variations in FPS due to changing tank pressure—the “shot curve” characteristic of unregulated PCP airguns, says Umarex. As long as the built-in pressure gauge shows green, Gauntlet’s regulator means FPS remains rock-steady, they say.
This multi-shot, bolt-action repeater uses economical, easily loaded interchangeable 10-shot magazines for rapid fire. One mag is supplied with the Gauntlet and additional magazines are available as accessories.
The Gauntlet’s 3,000 psi air tank is easily filled using the built-in, standard Foster quick connect fitting. For extended shooting sessions, a simple pressure release key allows the compact regulated tank to be unscrewed when pressure is low. It can be replaced with another, fully charged PCP tank for even more consistent shots, without the need to carry bulky HPA tanks or a hand pump.
New Umarex Gauntlet Regulated PCP Air Rifle Announced
Its fully moderated design means the Gauntlet is incredibly quiet. Both stealthy backyard plinkers and serious hunters benefit from its ability to provide rapid, near-silent, full-power follow-up shots on demand.
To maximize its accuracy capability, the Gauntlet has integral standard dovetails for scope mounting. The easily adjustable stock comb locks into position for the ideal cheek weld, whatever your physique or optic. Target shooters will appreciate the included single shot tray for precision shooting.
At 8.5 lbs, the Gauntlet is said to be a comfortable air rifle. Umarex says that it balances well in the hand, another practical aid to outstanding accuracy. The stock’s integral studs allow a sling to be fitted for easy carrying on a hunt.
Umarex says that everything about this air rifle has been optimized to set the new standard in PCP performance. They also claim that Gauntlet is a complete shooting system. Umarex USA offers accessory magazines, regulated HPA tanks and a high pressure PCP Hand Pump for ultimate flexibility.
With this new model, Umarex USA says they have really has thrown down the gauntlet. They claim that this is the PCP air rifle every shooter will want! The Umarex Gauntlet will be shown at the 2017 SHOT Show.
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Looks like it could make a good starter PCP for sub $300 and you get a reg and repeater built in.
My biggest question is accuracy? what barrel do they use?
It reminds me a lot of a HPA converted QB or fusion except its a repeater.
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Cool, it looks kind of like a QB-79 repeater in a new stock. At that price they will sell like hotcakes.
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You beat me to it ;D
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This could give the Mrod a run for it's money if accurate.
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It looks like a winner to me and just waiting to see the price they want for it.
Mike
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wonder if it has a fusion barrel? Those are very accurate guns I've read.
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I have to say I'm being blown away by all the new entries to the budget PCP market not to mention
all the high end stuff that is coming out its getting hard to keep track of them all!
used to be I could tell you the specs of almost every production pcp out there and its was fairly easy to suggest a rifle for someone
now though there are just so many options... happy to see it though ;)
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looks interesting ... when/if they go on super sale i might be tempted.
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May be a must have. Hope the factory is ready to support demand.
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The two things that concern me are the weight, and what the trigger is like. I love how my Marauder shoots and the adjustable trigger, but hate hate hate the weight on my bad back.
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I'm not familiar with guns that use tank like that,can I fill it with my Benjamin pump....I like the looks of it....
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The link says 8.5 lbs. A 17 or 22ci tank should add a little juice! This could be interesting! Not a bad looking stock.
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Yes a pump is fine, has standard foster to fill it and fills to 3000 psi per description.
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The two things that concern me are the weight, and what the trigger is like. I love how my Marauder shoots and the adjustable trigger, but hate hate hate the weight on my bad back.
Good point I love the m-rod trigger, I don't think they mentioned the trigger in the news spot...
and I have to agree on the weight as well I always reach for my lighter guns when I'm going out for a fun hunt or target plinking.
Though if accuracy is their I'll accept the weight.
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WELP!.....looks like I'll be buying another one!....(pre-ordered the 1077 wildfire)
With all of these expensive "dont want to get em dirty" PCP's I have around, it will be nice to have some low cost "shoot em like I stole em" type rifles in the stable....
DJ
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Now that's better than the Crosman Wildfire. Pcp regg'd for under 3 hundo. I couldnt believe all the excitement talk on the Wildfire, and it stems from it's cheap price. ( you know what they say about that)
This looks good!!
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Now that's better than the Crosman Wildfire. Pcp regg'd for under 3 hundo. I couldnt believe all the excitement talk on the Wildfire, and it stems from it's cheap price. ( you know what they say about that)
This looks good!!
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I just think airgunners are open and thirsting for newish and innovative stuff, instead of yet another bazillion dollar PCP bullpup from some foreign country.
DJ
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Oooh..i agree 100 %. Most guns are over priced.
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That pcp looks very good and is regulated!!! ;D
I don't have any statistics on hand about the low-priced PCP market but because of this tough competition I think it's a very attractive market for all... Crosman VS Chinese (QB) VS UMAREX VS (many others soon)
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Well that Umarex certainly looks to be some kind of QB platfrom, except for the shroud and repeater breech of course. After all these years of people tuning QBs converted to HPA and geting incredible results for low cost it was a matter of time before a company did this for us. Looks awesome ;D I wonder if industry brand is the facotry where this are produced...
Also very interesting to see that weight ??? I guess it is due to the shroud, breech and stock, because a qb79 comes at about 6/7lbs
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I'm looking for moderate weight due to the synthetic parts, but one account states 8.2 pounds. Have to wait for solid information.
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The two things that concern me are the weight, and what the trigger is like. I love how my Marauder shoots and the adjustable trigger, but hate hate hate the weight on my bad back.
Good point I love the m-rod trigger, I don't think they mentioned the trigger in the news spot...
and I have to agree on the weight as well I always reach for my lighter guns when I'm going out for a fun hunt or target plinking.
Though if accuracy is their I'll accept the weight.
Did you see the marauder field & target edition? 70 regulated shots in .177 and 50 in .22
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The two things that concern me are the weight, and what the trigger is like. I love how my Marauder shoots and the adjustable trigger, but hate hate hate the weight on my bad back.
Good point I love the m-rod trigger, I don't think they mentioned the trigger in the news spot...
and I have to agree on the weight as well I always reach for my lighter guns when I'm going out for a fun hunt or target plinking.
Though if accuracy is their I'll accept the weight.
Did you see the marauder field & target edition? 70 regulated shots in .177 and 50 in .22
And barrel designed to work at twist rates for pellets, I wonder if it will be super accurate...
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Wow another new one I like it
I guess I'll be very busy checking out the new pcps at shot show this year
Can't wait to get there
Will post info
Dave
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Awesome! $299 for a regulated bottle PCP. Makes a guy wonder what we'll be seeing on the market 5 years from now. I for one can't wait.
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Did you see the marauder field & target edition? 70 regulated shots in .177 and 50 in .22
Yeah I did, I'm pretty excited to get some in for testing!
I've been hoping Crosman would do a FT rifle now that they are having actual Crosman FT shoots.
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The company tells HAM that the Umarex Gauntlet provides a huge number of consistent, powerful shots from one fill of its high capacity 13-cu. in. regulated tank. The built-in regulator delivers minimal FPS variation from shot-to-shot for long, flat shot strings—this translates directly into outstanding accuracy for hunting, Field Target competition and just-for-fun plinking.
Dont get me wrong guys but if you look on the check well, i think the check rest can be raised with that DIALER DISC... If it is the case, it`s a upper market gun destroyer..
And isn`t that double slot bolt patern is on the COMPACTO???
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This looks a lot more interesting to me than what Crosman brought to the show.
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What is there not to like at first glance, the weight is the only thing. The tank can be changed out to a 22ci tank for very little money. Not sure if a carbon fiber tank can be used. One would think that accuracy would be good if it can be used for field target. Also the choice of either 177 or 22 is great. I am almost sure that the stock is adjustable for cheek weld. It just makes one think is it technology that makes a more affordable pcp gun?
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I'm definitely going to have to check this out at Shot Show. If that dial on the stock raises the top portion of the stock for a perfect cheek weld, that is a great feature. Looks like this could be an epic gun for my 11yr old. He hogs my at44 and I never get a turn.
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As Tweeter said, it looks like the QB platform with a repeater breech and shroud added. The trigger group is a dead giveaway and a very good choice as it's an excellent trigger when smoothed out a bit. And if they use the typical QB barrels, the accuracy potential is very good. It's about time somebody woke up and commercialized this HPA configuration.
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I already have a 22ci tank regulated at 110 bar.. I think it would be just sweet to put it on there.. The shot count would be double..
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It sounds pretty chunky at 8.5lbs unscoped, particularly with a synthetic stock. And 13ci gives a lot of shots as is so personally I would not want a larger tank.
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I`m used to DRAG my Benji trail np weighting 10 lbs with scope,, So i dont mind really for the weight.. Just saving the refilling time when doing bench rest shooting all afternoon is a + factor for me...
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Did you see the marauder field & target edition? 70 regulated shots in .177 and 50 in .22
Yeah I did, I'm pretty excited to get some in for testing!
I've been hoping Crosman would do a FT rifle now that they are having actual Crosman FT shoots.
Whenever you get your hands on one, let me know how it shoots! ;D
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It sounds pretty chunky at 8.5lbs unscoped, particularly with a synthetic stock. And 13ci gives a lot of shots as is so personally I would not want a larger tank.
...I wonder what 10 minutes with a hacksaw would do to the forward third of that bottle shroud... ::)
If it is the QB platform, might it also be possible to drop it into an existing QB stock, possible with modification for the barrel?
I suppose somebody will have to be able to touch one to find out...
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wonder if it has a fusion barrel? Those are very accurate guns I've read.
I have considerable experience with Umarex barrels, and can assure you they are accurate. I use the barrels from bigger bore Fusion/XS60 conversions, cut down, in my custom pistols (when LW isn't specified)... and the LW setups are only marginally better (if at all).
My chamber reamers tell me they are VERY consistent bores.
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Interesting rifle,i am very courious to see how are made,knowing Umarex,i fear a non tuners friendly constuction,like hard glued valves and so on.Things Umarex does on last 850 airmagnums.
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glued?
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Yes,they sealed the valves with a hard sealant,no orings like crosman valves.This way servicing or modding the 850's valves was a nightmare.
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A shrouded repeating QB, but Umarex took it further with 2 channels for the bolt... For $299. Where do I sign up? Even in stock config this could be fun.
I'm beginning to think some manufacturers are really starting to pay attention to the market instead of just designing stuff that garners only 7 minutes of attention from the PB crowd.
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100% agree.... Umarex has "thrown down the Gauntlet" to the other PCP manufacturers with what most on this forum have been wanting for many years.... a low-cost, regulated, moderated repeater with adequate power and (hopefully) a great shot count.... It would appear they have been paying attention to what we have been doing.... I'm guessing the plenum will be small (where would they put a big one?), so that likely precludes Big Bore mods, or even a powerful .25 cal, which is maybe why they don't make one, this is limited to the "traditional" .177 and .22 cals, which I'm sure are most of the sales.... This would have been considered a "state-of-the-art" PCP about 5 years ago, and realistically the only things that have changed since are larger plenums to support large calibers and more FPE.... plus the quest for greater efficiency....
I personally have very mixed feelings about the Gauntlet.... I think it should be a great "buy it and shoot it" PCP.... but when you take a narrowly focused design and wrap it in a tight plastic package, you have (likely intentionally) made the modder's job nigh impossible.... Yeah, you can screw on a longer, 17 or 22 CI bottle, but why bother if it doesn't have the ability to be modded for big power or calibers that need that extra air?.... I guess it won't matter, anyway, I'll never see one in Canada because of the shroud.... Be careful what you wish for.... ::)
Bob
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I know that i may be on the NEWBIE side, but a rifle that has all the attributes of a highly mod gun for less dollard is a good reason to be attracted to the airgun world.. Only the HARD CORE airgunner has PLANTED in me the desire to carving the skills for modding a gun that cost me bone stock some of my income... I know that a researcher like you Bob and MANY others will find the way to modding this type of gun.. Right from the start i can see the setup of having a 88 gram piped to the valve to increased the plenum..
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It is growing on me and I am half tempted to sell my disco double and replace it with one of these. Once several others have tested them though. ;D
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At this price, i`m all in to be in the first batch of buyer.. LOL Nothing really to loose at this price , i can REUSE the tank and barel on other guns..
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If this turns out to be accurate, I have to wonder how long it will be before they release a bulk CO2 version and literally put the final nail in the coffin of the Hammerli 850.
This is literally exactly what I'm turning my 850 into for almost exactly the same money EXCEPT I am going through every part inside and out, with the Gauntlet you would literally just have to wipe the oil off and shoot (mostly, some of us can't leave well enough alone).
This might end up being my goto recommendation for someone wanting to play with a PCP at a decent price.
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I hope the Gauntlet is a decent pick up and shoot rifle. Would be a wonderful starter PCP rifle, plinker, and pest gun for a huge crowd (if) it is everything they say. My cynical self tells me that it's not all gravy, trigger feel/quality, barrel quality and such. I am sure the Germans do a decent job on fit and finish, but I do hope it's not a plastic fantastic gun with an awful untunable and/or worse, unchangeable trigger.
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How are they getting 900 fps with 14.3gr pellets with only an 1100 psi reg? It may be that extra long 28.5" barrel.
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Where do you see those specs?
Not doubting them, just wondering.
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Where do you see those specs?
Not doubting them, just wondering.
That's on pyramid air's website. Doesn't match the numbers posted here, I'll bet the numbers here are closer. 900 fps on .22 has got to be closer to the right numbers and probably slightly inflated by marketing.
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How are they getting 900 fps with 14.3gr pellets with only an 1100 psi reg? It may be that extra long 28.5" barrel.
I'm guessing they are not using an 1100 PSI setting on the regulator. Umarex certainly has the money and engineering know-how to make a stronger design with a higher set-point and still maintain DIN EN13445-spec safety margins.
EDIT: and I stand very corrected- now listed on PA for PreOrder ~ $295. the regulator is set for 1100 PSI, so this is a fancy wrapper for a QB, with 2 slots for the bolt, an adjustable 2 stage trigger, "medium" loudness as shrouded and a 10-shot mag.
In other words, Umarex built what so many people have wanted with a 3-year warranty. Pellet speeds listed using 7.9 and 14.3, so who knows. Estimated in-stock date 05-19-2017.
I still want one in .22 and will end up buying one unless it is serious junk.
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What is fun with this rifle is most of the bugs that most of us do to the QB line are there already... Power is just a manner of tuning the regulator and VOILA!!
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You can tune the regulator up to a point, but unless you increase the plenum you'll start fighting to open the valve long enough, or at all.
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I just like that it's shrouded, has an adjustable trigger, a 10-shot magazine, two slots for the bolt, and has the bottle all for under $300. I cannot build a QB-79 with all of this for under $300 if I have to purchase everything.
The shroud and trigger in particular caught my attention.
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Nervoustrigger has showed a way to increase the plenum with the QB 79 and if it is the same mecanisim, ì`m not worry one bit..
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Well I've been anti pcp up until now. I think I'm gonna buy this gun. I like everything about it. Shouldn't be as much to pump up with a hand pump either since it lower pressure.
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What is fun with this rifle is most of the bugs that most of us do to the QB line are there already... Power is just a manner of tuning the regulator and VOILA!!
I dont know too much about the QB mods, so I'll leave that where it is. If it's easy and safe to do so, great.
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Well I've been anti pcp up until now. I think I'm gonna buy this gun. I like everything about it. Shouldn't be as much to pump up with a hand pump either since it lower pressure.
This isn't a lower pressur- it is still 3000 PSI, regulated to discharge downstream of the regulator at 1100; and the bottle is 13 cubic inches.
It took me a couple hundred strokes to bring to 3000 PSI on the 13 CI bottles I've owned if starting from empty.
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I just like that it's shrouded, has an adjustable trigger, a 10-shot magazine, two slots for the bolt, and has the bottle all for under $300. I cannot build a QB-79 with all of this for under $300 if I have to purchase everything.
The shroud and trigger in particular caught my attention.
You are "dang" right.. And the experienced modders can chim in to validated the claim..
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Well I've been anti pcp up until now. I think I'm gonna buy this gun. I like everything about it. Shouldn't be as much to pump up with a hand pump either since it lower pressure.
This isn't a lower pressur- it is still 3000 PSI, regulated to discharge downstream of the regulator at 1100; and the bottle is 13 cubic inches.
It took me a couple hundred strokes to bring to 3000 PSI on the 13 CI bottles I've owned if starting from empty.
Ugh. Well maybe I'll sit this one out. I could deal with that many strokes if I didn't have to do that every time to bring it back up. About how many will it take when I run it down to the point where it's losing power? I thought most guns were at about 4000psi? If that the case then 3000psi should be quite as hard on the last few strokes, right?
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From this video it looks like a standard ninja 1100psi reg and 13cu tank.
I guess I don't have enough posts yet to post external links so someone please go to youtube and search for ghgqBa79Icw and post it for others.
In the video he mentions that the bottle is regulated at 1100 psi and is swappable in the field. If that is the case and the reg is set to 1100 then you could have a 2nd. tank for less than $90. It seems 1100psi is too low to get the .22 moving at 900 fps?
I want one to play with.
Roger
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There is the link...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghgqBa79Icw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghgqBa79Icw)
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Well I've been anti pcp up until now. I think I'm gonna buy this gun. I like everything about it. Shouldn't be as much to pump up with a hand pump either since it lower pressure.
This isn't a lower pressur- it is still 3000 PSI, regulated to discharge downstream of the regulator at 1100; and the bottle is 13 cubic inches.
It took me a couple hundred strokes to bring to 3000 PSI on the 13 CI bottles I've owned if starting from empty.
Ugh. Well maybe I'll sit this one out. I could deal with that many strokes if I didn't have to do that every time to bring it back up. About how many will it take when I run it down to the point where it's losing power? I thought most guns were at about 4000psi? If that the case then 3000psi should be quite as hard on the last few strokes, right?
Airguns are all different. Some you pump to 2000, some to 3000, some are 200 bar (2900 PSI), some to 3350 PSI, some to 3650, and some to 4500. I wouldn't care for filling anything over 3000 by hand.
For this particular air rifle, much like the QB-79 when bottle-fed, you shoot it until it falls off the regulator, meaning bottle pressure drops below the regulator set-point, in this case 1100 PSI. Once that has happened, you re-fill. It's a lot easier to go from 1100 to 3000 than 0 to 3000. I'll add you can probably find used carbon fiber tanks on Craigslist in your area. Buy the necessary adapter and let a paintball/airsoft place fill your tank, then use the tank to fill your airgun.
If you are looking for a good starting PCP but want a repeater, it might be worth exploring the Wildfire once released. It looks to be built on the Crosman 1077 platform but using Discovery/Maximus airtube and fill pressure. For a single shot, it is very hard to beat the Disco and Maximus.
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Another video with outstanding quality audio.... ::)
Bob
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There is the link...
Thanks for posting the link grand-galop!
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Well I've been anti pcp up until now. I think I'm gonna buy this gun. I like everything about it. Shouldn't be as much to pump up with a hand pump either since it lower pressure.
This isn't a lower pressur- it is still 3000 PSI, regulated to discharge downstream of the regulator at 1100; and the bottle is 13 cubic inches.
It took me a couple hundred strokes to bring to 3000 PSI on the 13 CI bottles I've owned if starting from empty.
Ugh. Well maybe I'll sit this one out. I could deal with that many strokes if I didn't have to do that every time to bring it back up. About how many will it take when I run it down to the point where it's losing power? I thought most guns were at about 4000psi? If that the case then 3000psi should be quite as hard on the last few strokes, right?
If the bottle is regged at 1100psi you could pump it to 2000psi and get less shots. Nothing says you have to fill the bottle 100%.
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Well I've been anti pcp up until now. I think I'm gonna buy this gun. I like everything about it. Shouldn't be as much to pump up with a hand pump either since it lower pressure.
This isn't a lower pressur- it is still 3000 PSI, regulated to discharge downstream of the regulator at 1100; and the bottle is 13 cubic inches.
It took me a couple hundred strokes to bring to 3000 PSI on the 13 CI bottles I've owned if starting from empty.
Ugh. Well maybe I'll sit this one out. I could deal with that many strokes if I didn't have to do that every time to bring it back up. About how many will it take when I run it down to the point where it's losing power? I thought most guns were at about 4000psi? If that the case then 3000psi should be quite as hard on the last few strokes, right?
If the bottle is regged at 1100psi you could pump it to 2000psi and get less shots. Nothing says you have to fill the bottle 100%.
+1... very true. Pumping is tedious but not hard until about 2550 to 2600 PSI. Then it gets to be a work-out.
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Thanks for posting the link grand-galop!
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It`s a pleasure!!
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Here is another youtube video on it some one please help with the link.
Search youtube for this
tsHrze4180g
and post the youtube link.
Thanks,
Roger
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https://youtu.be/tsHrze4180g
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Ok, let me get this straight. Decent-looking rifle. Bottle fed. In-field swappable bottle. Regulated. Good shot count. Good fps. Decent trigger (with a little work). Accurate barrel (based on what I'm reading). Non excruciatingly heavy (under 10 lbs). Repeater. Moderated. Based off of tried and tested platforms.
All for UNDER $300!?!
Am I missing something? What's the catch?
Sounding like an air rifle that I want.
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Am I missing something?
Only thing you're missing is what we're all missing: Real live trigger time with it by people who have nothing to lose to point out it's shortcomings or praises.
It really looks like the rifle we've all been wanting and some have been building.
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Hmm...
-I did not spend all of my "squirrel away" money when I bought my last AG.
- I don't have a .177 pcp
- Have a LOT of .177 pellets that I'm not using since going to the dark side
- Gauntlet not due in till May (enough time to finish testing my Nova)
- Unless I hear some bad reports; I'm on board.
Shhhh.... don't tell the wife ; )
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Hmm...
-I did not spend all of my "squirrel away" money when I bought my last AG.
- I don't have a .177 pcp
- Have a LOT of .177 pellets that I'm not using since going to the dark side
- Gauntlet not due in till May (enough time to finish testing my Nova)
- Unless I hear some bad reports; I'm on board.
Shhhh.... don't tell the wife ; )
Curtis!! Dont tell anyone but i`m into that kind of plot too.. 8)
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grand-galop,
I see that you have two QB's (one a hpa conversion). Please tell me about your QBS as to how you think that they may relate to the Gauntlet. Accuracy, trigger pull, overall quality ect.. Quite interested in how well the single action trigger on your conversion works. Is it smooth? Pull force?
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Hmm...
-I did not spend all of my "squirrel away" money when I bought my last AG.
- I don't have a .177 pcp
- Have a LOT of .177 pellets that I'm not using since going to the dark side
- Gauntlet not due in till May (enough time to finish testing my Nova)
- Unless I hear some bad reports; I'm on board.
Shhhh.... don't tell the wife ; )
Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is the "dark side"? I've seen it mentioned a few times on here but not enough info for me to figure out what it is.
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Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is the "dark side"? I've seen it mentioned a few times on here but not enough info for me to figure out what it is.
PCP/CO2/HPA as a power source....
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I preordered one from PA, looks like a 4 month wait to test the rifle,by that time I will probably have forgotten about it and be working on something else,lol
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Any one know if its cock on open?
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Any one know if its cock on open?
Not sure if its cock on open or close but it has a vertical slot cut in the cocking channel at the front and rear of the channel to lock the bolt in the forward or rear position so it could be either one I would guess.
Mike
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My wild guess is that it cocks open in the same way compatto is..
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Does anyone know if the Gauntlet has a one stage or two stage trigger? PA lists it as having a one stage adjustable trigger on their description of the rifle, but list it as an adjustable two stage on the specs.
I think the gun may be based on a QB79 Repeater. If it is, then the trigger may be a one stage trigger that is adjustable for trigger pull weight, sear travel, and trigger travel.
If any of you have any experience with the QB79, your thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks!
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Does anyone know if the Gauntlet has a one stage or two stage trigger? PA lists it as having a one stage adjustable trigger on their description of the rifle, but list it as an adjustable two stage on the specs.
I think the gun may be based on a QB79 Repeater. If it is, then the trigger may be a one stage trigger that is adjustable for trigger pull weight, sear travel, and trigger travel.
If any of you have any experience with the QB79, your thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks!
"The best, inexpensive trigger I have ever had the pleasure of owning".
I wish all my guns had the QBXX trigger.
Kevin
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Hmm...
-I did not spend all of my "squirrel away" money when I bought my last AG.
- I don't have a .177 pcp
- Have a LOT of .177 pellets that I'm not using since going to the dark side
- Gauntlet not due in till May (enough time to finish testing my Nova)
- Unless I hear some bad reports; I'm on board.
Shhhh.... don't tell the wife ; )
I could not agree more, the Gauntlet could be quite the package at .177 caliber (literally at 8ish pounds w/ out a scope) as I too for some reason have more .177 pellets than any other even though I only have 2 .177 guns :D . Got one .25 Hatsan PCP and I have roughly 7-8 tins of pellets for it. Having a .177 like this would be very nice. Though I think I'll wait for some reviews to pop out before plunking down some of my paycheck. I really want this to be a quality air rifle, fingers crossed, it'll either be this or the Benji wildfire. Though I want a big bore so bad, I am starting to feel overloaded watching shot show footage....
I honestly have no problem with hand pumping my two PCPs, Benji at 2000PSI took me 10 minutes to pump up with one break for the pump to cool down. And my 200 BAR (2900 PSI) AT44 takes about 20 minutes with a couple breaks for the pump to cool down. I don't think pumping to 3000PSI would deter me from buying it. I am by no means a "big guy" at 28 years old 5'8" 160 pounds with a "semi-athletic physique" AKA I am somewhat fit with a blossoming beer belly. ;)
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I am by no means a "big guy" at 28 years old 5'8" 160 pounds with a "semi-athletic physique" AKA I am somewhat fit with a blossoming beer belly. ;)
LOL
You just described me perfectly.
I want to add a rifle to my PROD, and this seems like a great gun.
But, why not spend the extra money for a bullpup like the Hatsan Bullboss in .22/.25 caliber ???
BTW it sounds like you got a real nice gun in your signature, love to see a pic. (just not too nice of one I don't wanna drool everywhere for the second time today :o)
(http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=3738)
Here ya go:
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=profile;area=aevaitems;u=25040 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=profile;area=aevaitems;u=25040)
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^ hahaha :D
I would love a Bull boss because I really like my Hatsan AT44, but they cost 650$ I would also love to have a bull-pup style air gun, but if I am gonna get another expensive PCP it'll be a big bore or one of those semi-auto Hatsans shown at the shot show. They're something to look at and are are gorgeous (though I thoroughly expect them to be more than a Bull boss $ wise).
BTW it sounds like you got a real nice gun in your signature, love to see a pic. (just not too nice of one I don't wanna drool everywhere for the second time today :o)
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Now this just upsets me......
I just finished my QB79 modifications. Air Venturi repeater kit, Ninja 13ci bottle regulated at 1100, and TKO installed.
And now this comes along?!? Basically a synthetic stock version.....
Just my luck. >:(
Oh well. I'll just purchase one of these as well. :P
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Now this just upsets me......
I just finished my QB79 modifications. Air Venturi repeater kit, Ninja 13ci bottle regulated at 1100, and TKO installed.
And now this comes along?!? Basically a synthetic stock version.....
Just my luck. >:(
Oh well. I'll just purchase one of these as well. :P
I second that as well.... ::)
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EVO SHIFT that is reallllly nice looking P-rod :D. REALLY NICE. I was about to go with a QB project this winter but went with a 2240 project instead, really glad that I did now....Really hope the gauntlet lives up to the hype it is generating. I was about to buy that new synthetic QB also, had it in the cart about to pay and decided against it.
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I'm wondering if it will be using the marauder magazine and single shot tray ? Or did the design a new magazine.
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Sure looks like a Maurader mag. Would be nice if it does. Readily available, not expensive, known to work well and a lot of people already have Mrods. I saw a video taken at SHOT show (The Airgun Scientist Joe Bracato) in which he mentions a .25 cal version - he even confirms the shot count (eight) with someone off camera (someone working the booth?). Interesting....
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If it will be in 25 caliber I will be watching very close to decide if I need one or not.
Mike
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Steve Shaly released a video at the Umarex booth..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sB3lY6DaAE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sB3lY6DaAE)
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If it will be in 25 caliber I will be watching very close to decide if I need one or not.
Mike
According to the video Grand-Galop just posted it will be coming out in .25 as well! We live in interesting times!
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Any idea how much plenum there is?
Not much point in bigger calibers if the plenum is too small.
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Any idea how much plenum there is?
Not much point in bigger calibers if the plenum is too small.
You know that this a report on the shot show right??? There is not much détails aviable but the specs they provide...
I ASSUME that looking at the rifle in the video, the plenum is about the same as the QB79..
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Sounds like the pressure release key for changing tanks dumps the remaining air in the tank. Not that big a deal for me because I would not swap tanks. It could mean a lot of extra effort for those who hand pump.
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Sounds like the pressure release key for changing tanks dumps the remaining air in the tank. Not that big a deal for me because I would not swap tanks. It could mean a lot of extra effort for those who hand pump.
Yes it does... :'(
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I am sorta interested in the new copper .177-.25 pellets. Sound like a very good hunting pellet wonder when I can get my hands on some.....
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I am sorta interested in the new copper .177-.25 pellets. Sound like a very good hunting pellet wonder when I can get my hands on some.....
They kinda replicate the 9mm RIP bullet.. If you make a search, you will see how DEVASTATING this desing is..
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@ AirFiend
No disrespect intended here. If you really are taking 10 minutes to hand pump your pcp you must have a faulty pump. I use a Benji pump to achieve same fill in about 3 minutes and I am twice your age and weight 164#. I recommend you check your seals on that thing.
As for this rifle, only thing that keeps me from pre ordering is the listed weight. I just sold my Synthetic MRod because it felt too heavy to me relative to my Benjamin Maximus and my Hammerli 850. I already miss the repeater on the MRod, so this gun is squarely in my sights, pun intended.
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I am sorta interested in the new copper .177-.25 pellets. Sound like a very good hunting pellet wonder when I can get my hands on some.....
i just picked up some copper .177 the other day. Not sure how they shoot yet.
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Sounds like the pressure release key for changing tanks dumps the remaining air in the tank. Not that big a deal for me because I would not swap tanks. It could mean a lot of extra effort for those who hand pump.
Trinity makes a tank shut off that isolates it before you begin to remove it. Here it is mounted to a plenum I just finished for an 850 Hammerli. It is ASA Male to ASA Female... I modded this one to 1/4" NPT Female.
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Eric,
Are you cutting the stock away to get to that knob (or more likely fitting the action to a custom stock... 8) )? Just put one on my 850 low power HPA conversion, my goodness was it a knuckle scraper.... Fix was easy tho: http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=119010.msg1169186#msg1169186 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=119010.msg1169186#msg1169186)
I like your plenum idea.... sticking that one in my hat in case I ever want to seriously bump the juice on my 850.
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Kevin,
The customer is taking care of that. I was given an OAL, and some serious cash. He has some skills, and is a GTA member... he'll be posting the whole deal, and we're expecting some pretty substantial numbers.
You can bet I'll be making something very similar for the Gauntlet. Already doing all the homework possible, given empty hands atm. Looking forward to May, that's for sure...
Edited... "Thanks", Steven!
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Kevin... great thread, BTW...
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Kevin... great thread, BTW...
Thanks Eric. It's been a lot of fun, and so far even more fun to shoot.
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Sounds like the pressure release key for changing tanks dumps the remaining air in the tank. Not that big a deal for me because I would not swap tanks. It could mean a lot of extra effort for those who hand pump.
Yes it does... :'(
Not should be better to dump air pressure also inside the gun itself for few shoots ?
Also one additional 1/8 quick fill pin for remote connected tank whit 2200 PSI reg. can help ;)?
I do not believe that 1100 PSI is enough to reach 1000 FPS.
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Eric,
If I got my measurements right, it should end up just about like your custom knob, maybe just a tad lower.
@stalwart
Eric,
Are you cutting the stock away to get to that knob (or more likely fitting the action to a custom stock... 8) )? Just put one on my 850 low power HPA conversion, my goodness was it a knuckle scraper.... Fix was easy tho: http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=119010.msg1169186#msg1169186 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=119010.msg1169186#msg1169186)
I like your plenum idea.... sticking that one in my hat in case I ever want to seriously bump the juice on my 850.
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This is where mine ended up at...just realized I never posted my print over on my other thread... :o
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Eric,
If I got my measurements right, it should end up just about like your custom knob, maybe just a tad lower.
@stalwart
Eric,
Are you cutting the stock away to get to that knob (or more likely fitting the action to a custom stock... 8) )? Just put one on my 850 low power HPA conversion, my goodness was it a knuckle scraper.... Fix was easy tho: http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=119010.msg1169186#msg1169186 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=119010.msg1169186#msg1169186)
I like your plenum idea.... sticking that one in my hat in case I ever want to seriously bump the juice on my 850.
Then what's the hold up? Let's shoot sumthin'!
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Kevin,
The costumer is taking care of that.
What kind of costumes does he have? Do you have one picked out yet?
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I'm thinking giant squirrel! What could go wrong??
A pox on your house, Steven! I can read gibberish, but I have been known to scroll many screens to rid my posts of simple typos (political threads). If I can prove you knew that, and are trolling me... I'm not gonna like you any more!
Where's the "screw you" smilie? Grrrr...
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I meant that the knurled portion of the on/off valve should be about the same height as your custom knob. The nice thing with the on/off valve it only de-gasses the gun not the tank.
I like you counter sunk the baker adapter and still the air flow was restricted through the 3 hole mod of the valve compared to no baker adapter. This plenum mod will have no restriction.
This is where mine ended up at...just realized I never posted my print over on my other thread... :o
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I meant that the knurled portion of the on/off valve should be about the same height as your custom knob. The nice thing with the on/off valve it only de-gasses the gun not the tank.
I'm following you now. That plenum idea is sweet, wish I would have thought of it! The limited amount of regulated air in my setup would definitely hamper any sort of efficient AND powerful build I think (though IIRC Bob was getting 1.5ish FPE/ci @ 33 FPE I think).
Assuming your 850 is the build Stalwart is talking about? Anywhere near posting some numbers on it? Intrigued to see how well it does.
Sorry for hijacking the thread!!
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skorec brings up a very good point. 1100 psi (76 bar) seems too low to achieve 1000 fps even with light pellets. I have not seen any posts here or elsewhere with a setpoint that low. Anyone have experience with velocities near this psi? What psi do co2 powered guns run at?
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FWIW, I have a QB79 with its regulator at 1000psi and it runs 7.3gr pellets at 950fps, and that is without all the flow tricks to wring out the maximum velocity. So Umarex's claim isn't altogether unreasonable but if I were a betting man, my money would be on the Gauntlet won't do 1000fps with a 7gr lead pellet. As usual, it's a weak marketing claim without sufficient information to hold them accountable when the real product hits the shelves.
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Saw this and thought it might be of interest to some here: http://hardairmagazine.com/news/umarex-gauntlet-sets-new-standard%E2%80%A8-pcp-air-rifle-performance/ (http://hardairmagazine.com/news/umarex-gauntlet-sets-new-standard%E2%80%A8-pcp-air-rifle-performance/)
Umarex USA Inc. has announced what they claim to be a major breakthrough in regulated Pre-Charged Pneumatic (PCP) air rifles: the Umarex Gauntlet. Umarex says that the Gauntlet offers the performance of $1,000+ PCPs for an MSRP of just $299.
(http://hardairmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Gauntlet-HAM.jpg)
Looks like a great, regulated, repeater at an affordable price ;). Perfect entry level PCP, repeater for Non-tinkering folks 8).
Should remove much of HPA conversion risk on the QB78's and QB79's and put a dent in "You Know Who's" product demand ;D.
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I think you are absolutely correct, but I think lots of tinkerers will want them too. Adding plenum is something discussed in this very thread and someone will surely make a big bore out of it.
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I think you are absolutely correct, but I think lots of tinkerers will want them too. Adding plenum is something discussed in this very thread and someone will surely make a big bore out of it.
Yes, I'm sure there will be some............
I guess my preference is for a wood stock (old school) like on the QB's and a Single Shot is Just Fine with me. One of the big usability factors of the QB's is that even though their all wood/steel, they only weigh 6.5 lbs un-scoped. If you make your own custom stock or buy one oniline, you can get a beautiful Walnut stock (aka:restern) and outfit you QB to HPA for less than $300. However, that includes a lot of tinkering time + DIY -> LDC.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n227/kirk_schwarz/IMG_1579_zps1e2f43pi.jpg) (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/kirk_schwarz/media/IMG_1579_zps1e2f43pi.jpg.html)
The $160 version + DIY-> LDC+RVA.
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Your QB seems very good. Which is your FPE and air pressure?
My QB78D .177 has 1500 PSI and shoot only 15 FPE therefore I am thinking to add TSS and adjustment screw for increase efficacy too .
To make magazin at home is verry easy ;).
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=118137.msg1161487#msg1161487 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=118137.msg1161487#msg1161487)
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I think you are absolutely correct, but I think lots of tinkerers will want them too. Adding plenum is something discussed in this very thread and someone will surely make a big bore out of it.
It's already in the works here. I am building a drop in set up for it, out of parts I have on hand. I'll start a thread on it, soon. I asked about parts, on PA's Gauntlet page, and was told it is a 79, dressed up nicely.
Reminds me of when Ford hung onto carbs, in their Mustangs, longer than any other model, and stated it was to allow and encourage customer mods. Some guys (that would be us) just can't leave their stuff alone.
I'll be ready for May.
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„I am building a drop in set up for it, out of parts I have on hand“
Do you mean adjustable presure regulator with bleed valve too.
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Yes, it will have both.
I started a thread on the project. It's going to be unusual: http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=121933.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=121933.0)
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Any word on a .25 version ??
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Unless they have done a good job of hiding it, larger calibers may disappoint from lack of plenum volume....
Bob
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Your QB seems very good. Which is your FPE and air pressure?
My QB78D .177 has 1500 PSI and shoot only 15 FPE therefore I am thinking to add TSS and adjustment screw for increase efficacy too .
To make magazin at home is verry easy ;).
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=118137.msg1161487#msg1161487 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=118137.msg1161487#msg1161487)
My QB's have a set point of 1350 to 1525 psi. In .177 caliber you should be able to get 20 FPE pretty easy.
This would require you to increase barrel porting, and bolt probe to .14" and make something similar to rsterne's Maxi Valve. I think you'll need a little more hammer to.
See Bob's or Jason's posts on porting/valve work ;).
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My QB78D .177 has 1500 PSI and shoot only 15 FPE therefore I am thinking to add TSS and adjustment screw for increase efficacy too .
Sorry, I had meant to respond to this previously. Did you experiment with spacers to increase hammer spring preload or did you install a heavier hammer spring? If not, the valve may be only barely opening at 1500psi. If your porting is around 75% of caliber (i.e. 0.133"), you should be able to get much higher energy. For example, the .177 QB79 I have set up at 1000psi is producing just shy of 17fpe with 10.6gr Baracudas.
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How close does Umarex advertised velocities usually come to real world velocities? I'm sure some manufactures are more accurate than others.
Also, I watched the video's on Umarex.com and the second video states they are producing the Gauntlet in .25 also but all I see anywhere else is .177 & .22.
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according to the airgun depot review posted yesterday on youtube, the gauntlet gets 80 shots at 754 average fps shots per fill. I'm eagerly awaiting the May launch to see if the numbers and accuracy are indicative of the production run guns. I have a ninja tank from paintball that is regulated at 850 psi, compared to the 1100 preset on the gauntlet regulator, I wonder if I can squeeze out about 25-30% more shots per tank.
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.25 need higher air pressure ???
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I could have sworn that on one of the first video clips that I seen from this gun they were using a Ninja bottle and reg., if that's the case then you can order a different regulator from Ninja to your own specs.
(http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae312/giant056/Airguns/prov2reg.jpg)
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Yes, but is the gun tube enough safe for 150-180 bar ?
BUT may be this is the way
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=121933.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=121933.0)
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Your QB seems very good. Which is your FPE and air pressure?
I'm running my QB78 @ 850 PSI and it averages about 16.75 FPE with JSB 10.34. This was my last efficiency testing run (not good, no SSG yet and she's right at 1.06 FPE/Ci)
| # | FPS | FT-LBS |
| 1 | 859 | 16.88 |
| 2 | 860 | 16.92 |
| 3 | 851 | 16.57 |
| 4 | 855 | 16.72 |
| 5 | 857 | 16.8 |
| 6 | 858 | 16.84 |
| 7 | 856 | 16.76 |
| 8 | 862 | 17 |
| 9 | 853 | 16.64 |
| 10 | 858 | 16.84 |
| 11 | 856 | 16.76 |
| 12 | 859 | 16.88 |
| 13 | 855 | 16.72 |
| 14 | 856 | 16.76 |
| 15 | 857 | 16.8 |
| 16 | 858 | 16.84 |
| 17 | 858 | 16.84 |
| 18 | 853 | 16.64 |
| 19 | 860 | 16.92 |
| 20 | 855 | 16.72 |
| 21 | 860 | 16.92 |
| 22 | 853 | 16.64 |
| 23 | 855 | 16.72 |
| 24 | 854 | 16.68 |
| 25 | 853 | 16.64 |
| 26 | 856 | 16.76 |
| 27 | 854 | 16.68 |
| 28 | 853 | 16.64 |
| 29 | 853 | 16.64 |
| 30 | 852 | 16.6 |
I am guessing some work could be done on the Gauntlet to help her breathe a little easier with less PSI also.
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(http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae312/giant056/Airguns/prov2reg.jpg)
My word... this makes this gun an even better deal... You're paying about $210 for the gun considering the PRO V2's are about $90? Since my wife has officially claimed the 850 as her own, I see a .177 gauntlet in my future to round out the herd!
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What are the chances of Umarex offer a Gauntlet version in a bullpup design ??
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The Ninja Pro regulators are limited to about 1400-1500 psi, because you MUST use the 1.8K burst disc on the output side.... Ninja warn that is required with the rotating collar on the regulator.... which is retained by a circlip....
Bob
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Not sure if the airgun depot review was posted
http://hardairmagazine.com/news/airgun-depot-makes-first-umarex-gauntlet-pcp-video/ (http://hardairmagazine.com/news/airgun-depot-makes-first-umarex-gauntlet-pcp-video/)
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By the looks of that shot string, just a whisker more hammer strike and the velocity will increase a bit without using much more air.... I say that because of the bump in velocity at the end of the shot string, which indicates a regulated PCP running at the beginning of the velocity downslope.... I would compliment their choice of tune, however, nice to see that kind of tune rather than tuned way up on the plateau and it being an air hog.... 8)
Bob
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@ AirFiend
No disrespect intended here. If you really are taking 10 minutes to hand pump your pcp you must have a faulty pump. I use a Benji pump to achieve same fill in about 3 minutes and I am twice your age and weight 164#. I recommend you check your seals on that thing.
As for this rifle, only thing that keeps me from pre ordering is the listed weight. I just sold my Synthetic MRod because it felt too heavy to me relative to my Benjamin Maximus and my Hammerli 850. I already miss the repeater on the MRod, so this gun is squarely in my sights, pun intended.
none taken,
Just curious are talking about pumping your benji from 1000PSI -2000PSI (because that takes 5 minutes) or from a lower PSI (when i got it it was empty and it took me 10 minutes to fill it up). I have noticed that if I let it sit for more than 3 weeks without shooting it it loses around 50 PSI but I have never let it sit more than that I always assumed that it was just air cooling. Don't think anything is wrong with the pump as it works just fine with my hatsan AT44. (some effort but i can get it from 1500 PSI back to full in three 5 minute sessions) sorry for the late reply other things going on.
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They must at least have a prototype in .25. I just watched the 2nd video on the Umarex site again and he states that they are bumping the velocity up in the .25 to stay in the same velocity range as the .22 and they get about 35 shots per fill on the .25.
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Anyone received a early shipment of the gauntlet,or heard of a earlier delivery date,5/19 seems like forever
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Really want to see some real world reviews on this before I get one. Be nice if it's a decent buy that way I can have a knock around gun. Be kinda of nice actually not having to worrie about it because most are in the thousands $$ with these qualities
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I enjoyed the short airgundepot video on this one. looks good.
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I hope the Gauntlet is a decent pick up and shoot rifle. Would be a wonderful starter PCP rifle, plinker, and pest gun for a huge crowd (if) it is everything they say. My cynical self tells me that it's not all gravy, trigger feel/quality, barrel quality and such. I am sure the Germans do a decent job on fit and finish, but I do hope it's not a plastic fantastic gun with an awful untunable and/or worse, unchangeable trigger.
I'm confused! If Umarex is a German outfit, why is everyone comparing it to a QB (Chinese)? Will it be made in Germany or China? Is it a QB barrel or a Umarex?
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apples and oranges. The makers of the Gauntlet and QB are direct competitors. In this thread, QB owners are commenting on the "very close resemblance" of the G to the QB, and how the G seems like a heavily modded QB.
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I'll give you that apples/oranges comparsion.
For that matter will go father (but back to the origin of this thread):
WHo has a Gauntlet and tested it?
Until we do have a production version in "real" people's hands, all we are doing it playing "what-if".
Not that "what-if" isn't a fun game, but it isn't exactly a helpful game.
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"What-if" at least helps to pass the time untill "we" can get our hands on them. Playing "what-if" also let's manufacturers know what we would have interest in purchasing.
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Not that it's not interesting, but am going to pass...at least for a year. If it works out, not dropped and still in production in 2018, will probably get one (hopefully debugged by then).
Yes, I have HPA's QB's, so know what they can do both in power and shot count...if they get it close enough, will buy one.
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Regarding the whole Umarex-Germany versus QB/China things... Nobody yet knows where parts are sourced from. If it has a high-end German barrel, I'm sure Umarex would claim that outright. And then there's the whole licensing thing- Umarex may just be licensing the design. They certainly do a lot of licensing with other products in their various products (take a look at their airsoft offerings).
I have the QB repeater breech on my QB-79 and it uses Marauder magazines just like this Gauntlet. When doing side by side comparison (a picture of the Gauntlet to the real deal in my hand) they functionally look the same excepting the shrouded barrel and the stock. Otherwise, the dual slot cock-on-open dovetailed repeater breech with trigger-guard flip-lever safety that uses the same magazine screams "Same country of origin or Licensed Design". Since we know they are both bottle-fed off the protoypical 13CC regulated bottle, that means the only place they are different is, well, the stock and the shroud.
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Do we known some details about barrel ?
I just noticed interesting length 28,5" ..
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Gauntlet is a copy of a Texas tuners idea from 2007-8, so it should have an LW barrel....lol.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA_q83dAJfs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA_q83dAJfs)
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So, has anyone been able to determine if the 13ci Ninja tank will fit this?
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51e%2Bi6HiL9L._SL1000_.jpg)
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I believe they come with a Ninja tank. At least some pics I saw I could have swore they were
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That would be nice, since you can pick up a spare ninja tank on Amazon for about $60! The only question would be the output pressure, seems most ninja tanks are pre-regulated to 800-850 psi, not 1100 psi.
Since the hold up on the release of the Gauntlet has been blamed on the tank manufacturer, I wonder if it is Zija or another manufacturer?
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An early picture showed a Ninja SHP regulator bonnet peering out from through the opening in the stock, thus the assumption it uses an 1100psi setpoint. However the Hardair article shows something different. Maybe it was to help meet the price point, maybe it was due to supply chain issues, maybe both, maybe neither. http://hardairmagazine.com/news/detailed-look-umarex-gauntlet-pcp-air-rifle/ (http://hardairmagazine.com/news/detailed-look-umarex-gauntlet-pcp-air-rifle/)
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I just read the Hard Air Magazine Sneak Peek at the .25 cal Gauntlet. They are claiming 20+ consistent shots at 900+ fps. They claim this is achieve due to the regulator being set at 1900 psi, compared to the 1100 psi regulated pressure for the .177/.22 Gauntlet.
I had e-mailed Umarex and asked about spare air tanks and was told they would be available around the same time the Gauntlet is released. It will be interesting to see if the 1900 psi tank will fit and work with the .177/.22 Gauntlet? That would make for a pretty hot regulated .177/.22 PCP, and also give you a choice of velocity since they say the tanks are not adjustable. I guess only time will tell. They claim the .25 should be released later this year, which probably equates more to mid-2018, given the timeline of the .177/.22 Gauntlets!
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Not adjustable?
I bet it is a stack of beville washers and they don't want to be responsible for anyone doing something stupid.
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Not adjustable?
I bet it is a stack of beville washers and they don't want to be responsible for anyone doing something stupid.
If it is a Ninja Bottle, or based on the Ninja Bottle technology, it should be adjustable from 950 to 1100 psi. I'm more interested in seeing if the bottle for the .25 cal will be interchangeable with the .177/.22 and what the adjustment range will be. Using the 1100 Ninja bottle as a gauge, it could possibly be 1750 to 1900 psi.