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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: TerryH on January 06, 2017, 11:55:24 PM
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After joining the ranks of the air gun world with a couple of break barrels (NP pistol..yeah I know.. and a NP2 rifle) I decided that the good timing of a nice Christmas bonus from my work was a sign from above to enter the world of PCP's. I do love the AR platform rifles so I ordered up an Armada combo from Air Gun Depot with scope, bipod and Air Venturi G6 pump. I made an initial unboxing and such thread of the packaging, contents and general thoughts. Here's the link to that...
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=119733.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=119733.0)
I have read everything I could find and watched way too many YouTube videos on the Marauder/Armada. I knew that I would want to mod it because, well, I mod everything. I'm fairly mechanical but have no knowledge of guns other than the very, very basics so I'm starting from ground zero and learning as I go. Let me say that GTA is an incredible wealth of information and personalities. I'm involved in a few other forums so not new to forums, just new to GTA.
In a couple of other threads I was asked what I wanted to do with the Armada. I had to contemplate that more that I thought I would. I realized that I really didn't know exactly what I wanted. I soon began to realize that I didn't have one single use. I want to do some target shooting out to 50+ yards. Some varmint control around our property. Mainly coons and possums nosing around my wife's pet chickens. Perhaps some squirrel hunting. Some walking through the woods plinking. Maybe even some range shooting with my powderburning buddies from time to time so what I finally realized that I needed was efficiency and adjustability to suit several different conditions and power levels. We'll see how all of that works out. ;D
Along the way I found Hill Air Guns. I loved the look and obvious quality of Tim's parts. I emailed Tim and got a very quick response. He walked me through what I would need and I bought his Regulated matched Parts Kit. I also ordered the regulator that Tim recommended for his parts. Link to the kit...
http://hillairgun.com/products/regulated-parts-kit-benjamin-rifle/ (http://hillairgun.com/products/regulated-parts-kit-benjamin-rifle/)
I also bought a Caldwell Premium Chrony and an assortment of pellets along with some other items which I'll post as soon as they arrive. I will begin the journey with a few hundred break in pellets and baseline chrony strings with the different pellets to determine which pellet or pellets this gun likes. I'm making this thread to document my experiences both good and bad along the way. I know that I'm bound to make mistakes and look stupid probably multiple times along the way and that's ok. Hopefully the thread will be of some value to some newby like me in the future. I'll start the break in process tomorrow. The Hill parts will be here tomorrow as well so I'll post some pics of those parts. For now, here's a pic of the new addiction...
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/1/310/31289129254_b148efaf1a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PEUY2L)
Of course I'm depending on you guys to help me. Thanks to all of you that already have. More to come.....
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Terry-I've been eyeballing that kit as well for my MRod. What regulator did Tim recommend? I'll be following you're Armada modding, best of luck with it! Looks durned nice just sittin' on the coffee table! ;)
Ed
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Terry-I've been eyeballing that kit as well for my MRod. What regulator did Tim recommend? I'll be following you're Armada modding, best of luck with it! Looks durned nice just sittin' on the coffee table! ;)
Ed
Hi Ed. Sorry. Should have inked it in the original post. It's a regulator out of Lithuania. Available on Ebay for $69.00 shipped. Tim says he's used them many times before and likes how the work with his parts. Here's the link...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/162104913497?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com/itm/162104913497?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
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Thanks Terry. I'm gonna let you report back on your modding adventure before I jump off the bridge. I'll be keeping my eyes glued to my monitor!
Ed
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Thanks Terry. I'm gonna let you report back on your modding adventure before I jump off the bridge. I'll be keeping my eyes glued to my monitor!
Ed
Thanks Ed.
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I have seen that regulator in my searches before, but know nothing about them. I know it may be awhile before you get to try it. Can't wait to see how it performs and your experience with it. Everyone always talks about the HUMA. Glad to hear Tim recommended it. Subscribed!
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I tuned a Galatian with one of those regs, and it looked to be built very well, and worked great fwiw :)
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I have seen that regulator in my searches before, but know nothing about them. I know it may be awhile before you get to try it. Can't wait to see how it performs and your experience with it. Everyone always talks about the HUMA. Glad to hear Tim recommended it. Subscribed!
Thanks! Right now tracking says between 1/17 and 1/31. :o I'm in no hurry for it. Per Tim's instructions, the last thing that I'm going to do is install/tune the reg.
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I tuned a Galatian with one of those regs, and it looked to be built very well, and worked great fwiw :)
Thanks! That's good to hear.
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I have two of those regs in mrods. Work fine. :)
Are you using Tim's hogged out gauge block?
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I have two of those regs in mrods. Work fine. :)
Are you using Tim's hogged out gauge block?
Thanks John! Doesn't hurt that they are almost half of the price of a Huma. I have all of Tim's stuff for the Armada.
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Had a fun day today with a few challenges. I've never owned or even seen a chronograph in person before so some what of a learning curve with it. Had a hard time getting strings without errors but finally got a little better with it as the afternoon went along. Sent 400 rounds thru the Armada today. That's a lot of pumping!!! Really not too bad though. The G6 performed well. Only took about 5 or 6 shots to get the scope zeroed @ 30. I found the HNFTT 14.66 gr to be ridiculously accurate at 30 yards as long as I paid attention. I realize that accuracy at 30 yards is not much of a challenge for the Marauder/Armada platform. I'll stretch it out next weekend when I have a better assortment of pellets. I also sent a few through the NP2 just for comparison.
Interesting to me how the Armada is tuned from Crosman. The NP2 shoots almost identical numbers. Here's a some strings. Pardon the errors. I think I understand how to get the chrony to function correctly now. ::)
The NP2....
Created: 01/07/17 03:31 PM
Description: NP2
Notes 1: HNFTT
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 15.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 14.66
Temp: 32 °F
BP: 28.80 inHg
Altitude: 1120.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
21 795 20.58 11.65
20 793 20.47 11.63
19 789 20.27 11.57
18 796 20.63 11.67
17 792 20.42 11.61
16 792 20.42 11.61
15 767 19.15 11.24
14 784 20.01 11.49
13 796 20.63 11.67
12 781 19.86 11.45
11 794 20.53 11.64
10 771 19.35 11.30
9 779 19.76 11.42
8 782 19.91 11.46
7 782 19.91 11.46
6 783 19.96 11.48
5 ERROR 3
4 784 20.01 11.49
3 787 20.17 11.54
2 772 19.40 11.32
1 786 20.11 11.52
Average: 785.2 FPS
SD: 8.5 FPS
Min: 767 FPS
Max: 796 FPS
Spread: 29 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.1
True MV: 786 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
Here are some strings from the Armada bone stock exactly the way it came from Crosman.
43 shots from 3000psi to 2000psi. Very odd shot #39 @ 596fps?
Created: 01/07/17 01:30 PM
Description: Armada stock HNFTT
Notes 1: test
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 14.66
Temp: 29 °F
BP: 28.80 inHg
Altitude: 1120.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
43 789 20.27 11.57
42 789 20.27 11.57
41 785 20.06 11.51
40 788 20.22 11.55
39 596 11.56 8.74
38 792 20.42 11.61
37 792 20.42 11.61
36 794 20.53 11.64
35 796 20.63 11.67
34 799 20.78 11.71
33 794 20.53 11.64
32 796 20.63 11.67
31 794 20.53 11.64
30 795 20.58 11.65
29 798 20.73 11.70
28 799 20.78 11.71
27 794 20.53 11.64
26 796 20.63 11.67
25 801 20.89 11.74
24 799 20.78 11.71
23 797 20.68 11.68
22 796 20.63 11.67
21 795 20.58 11.65
20 792 20.42 11.61
19 790 20.32 11.58
18 793 20.47 11.63
17 796 20.63 11.67
16 795 20.58 11.65
15 791 20.37 11.60
14 791 20.37 11.60
13 792 20.42 11.61
12 795 20.58 11.65
11 792 20.42 11.61
10 786 20.11 11.52
9 789 20.27 11.57
8 783 19.96 11.48
7 784 20.01 11.49
6 788 20.22 11.55
5 787 20.17 11.54
4 786 20.11 11.52
3 782 19.91 11.46
2 790 20.32 11.58
1 780 19.81 11.43
Average: 787.3 FPS
SD: 30.3 FPS
Min: 596 FPS
Max: 801 FPS
Spread: 205 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.1
True MV: 788 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
Same as the above. 45 shots from 3000psi to 2000psi. Couple weird ones in this string as well. Shot#22 @ 845. Shot#19 @ 601.
Created: 01/07/17 03:17 PM
Description: A stock
Notes 1: HNFTT
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 15.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 14.66
Temp: 32 °F
BP: 28.80 inHg
Altitude: 1120.00
45 777 19.66 11.39
44 779 19.76 11.42
43 781 19.86 11.45
42 782 19.91 11.46
41 782 19.91 11.46
40 782 19.91 11.46
39 781 19.86 11.45
38 789 20.27 11.57
37 ERROR 3
36 786 20.11 11.52
35 785 20.06 11.51
34 786 20.11 11.52
33 789 20.27 11.57
32 785 20.06 11.51
31 786 20.11 11.52
30 791 20.37 11.60
29 786 20.11 11.52
28 790 20.32 11.58
27 ERROR 3
26 789 20.27 11.57
25 787 20.17 11.54
24 790 20.32 11.58
23 790 20.32 11.58
22 845 23.25 12.39
21 790 20.32 11.58
20 789 20.27 11.57
19 601 11.76 8.81
18 791 20.37 11.60
17 784 20.01 11.49
16 787 20.17 11.54
15 786 20.11 11.52
14 786 20.11 11.52
13 786 20.11 11.52
12 778 19.71 11.41
11 786 20.11 11.52
10 786 20.11 11.52
9 781 19.86 11.45
8 785 20.06 11.51
7 778 19.71 11.41
6 776 19.61 11.38
5 778 19.71 11.41
4 779 19.76 11.42
3 776 19.61 11.38
2 778 19.71 11.41
1 768 19.20 11.26
Average: 781.1 FPS
SD: 30.0 FPS
Min: 601 FPS
Max: 845 FPS
Spread: 244 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.1
True MV: 782 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
I decided that I would shoot until I saw the first sub 770fps shot. 50 shots from 3000psi to 1800psi. 3 strange ones here. Shot #36 @ 594. shot #21 @ 594 and shot#16 @ 827.
Created: 01/07/17 03:47 PM
Description: A stock
Notes 1: HNFTT
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 15.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 15.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 14.66
Temp: 32 °F
BP: 28.80 inHg
Altitude: 1120.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
50 767 19.15 11.24
49 770 19.30 11.29
48 775 19.55 11.36
47 775 19.55 11.36
46 776 19.61 11.38
45 775 19.55 11.36
44 776 19.61 11.38
43 780 19.81 11.43
42 ERROR 3
41 781 19.86 11.45
40 783 19.96 11.48
39 784 20.01 11.49
38 790 20.32 11.58
37 ERROR 3
36 594 11.49 8.71
35 ERROR 3
34 787 20.17 11.54
33 791 20.37 11.60
32 789 20.27 11.57
31 ERROR 3
30 ERROR 3
29 790 20.32 11.58
28 790 20.32 11.58
27 785 20.06 11.51
26 791 20.37 11.60
25 788 20.22 11.55
24 784 20.01 11.49
23 786 20.11 11.52
22 789 20.27 11.57
21 594 11.49 8.71
20 790 20.32 11.58
19 788 20.22 11.55
18 789 20.27 11.57
17 791 20.37 11.60
16 827 22.27 12.12
15 787 20.17 11.54
14 785 20.06 11.51
13 ERROR 2
12 835 22.70 12.24
11 783 19.96 11.48
10 781 19.86 11.45
9 778 19.71 11.41
8 781 19.86 11.45
7 780 19.81 11.43
6 777 19.66 11.39
5 779 19.76 11.42
4 780 19.81 11.43
3 774 19.50 11.35
2 774 19.50 11.35
1 768 19.20 11.26
Average: 775.8 FPS
SD: 41.9 FPS
Min: 594 FPS
Max: 835 FPS
Spread: 241 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.1
True MV: 776 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
Thoughts on these strings are welcome.
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Also a few goodies in the mail today. The plastic butt stock was not super shoulder friendly so I ordered up a AR15 butt pad. Fits perfectly on the Armada and is much nicer.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/291/32135081896_f8261da31b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QXEGh9)
Also got a plug for the grip. A little detail but I didn't like the open hole in the bottom of the grip.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/274/32135089856_6b1e6db312_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QXEJDo)
UTG side wheel for the scope is cool and functional. The AO was ridiculously stiff on this scope and the bigger wheel really helps. There was some question whether it would fit on the CP scope and the answer to that question is no and yes. The shape of the rubber insert in the side wheel is not exactly the same as the CP scope turret but both pieces are soft so they can be made to like one another if one is determined to do so. lol... The markings do not agree but you can still see the factory marks on the CP turret so no issue there.
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/1/523/31331730084_dfb8aed0aa_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PJFiLQ)
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/1/672/32054971711_31137d172b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QQA7j4)
(https://c6.staticflickr.com/1/762/32173309765_9eb8d012bc_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/R23C6k)
Yet another use for my trusty Hyskore Sight and Clean vise. Holds the Armada up side down perfectly for airing it up!!
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/1/483/32054098731_d164d45393_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QQvCNF)
Got to share some shooting with our foster kid that has boomeranged back home with us. We both had a great time!! 8)
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/1/299/31331749444_a07d1a201e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PJFpwC)
Couldn't resist getting a glamor shot of it all dressed up and ready to rock. ;D
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/1/711/32054982351_66e1d10036_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QQAatv)
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Looking good TerryH, once the gun is broken in more it should smooth out for you. Then you may want to dive in to smooth out the hammer travel a bit which will help with your strings.
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Looking good TerryH, once the gun is broken in more it should smooth out for you. Then you may want to dive in to smooth out the hammer travel a bit which will help with your strings.
Thanks Robert!! I plan to do some polishing when I have it apart to install the Hill parts.
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I just installed the Hill kit in my .25 Mrod a couple weeks ago. You will be very pleased with it. I'm getting around 47 shots at or near 40fpe with the first 40 at around 1.62 efficiency. :D
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I just installed the Hill kit in my .25 Mrod a couple weeks ago. You will be very pleased with it. I'm getting around 47 shots at or near 40fpe with the first 40 at around 1.62 efficiency. :D
Thanks for that info Shawn! That's an awesome outcome! Are you using a regulator?
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Yes, I have the Audruis regulator that came in the kit from hillair. I just looked on his site and the kit isn't showing the reg included anymore and the price is lower.
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Yes, I have the Audruis regulator that came in the kit from hillair. I just looked on his site and the kit isn't showing the reg included anymore and the price is lower.
I see. Tim gave me an Ebay link to that reg. I posted the link a few posts up. Waiting on the slow boat from Lithuania now. ;D
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I'm sure you will be impressed with it. With your rifle being a .22, you should get a ton of good shots out of it! I'm not sure how to post links, if you look on page 9 of the "calling all 25 caliber marauder regulated guns" thread, I have the very first string after installing the kit.
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I'm sure you will be impressed with it. With your rifle being a .22, you should get a ton of good shots out of it! I'm not sure how to post links, if you look on page 9 of the "calling all 25 caliber marauder regulated guns" thread, I have the very first string after installing the kit.
Thanks Shawn. You just copy the link from that page and insert it with the Hyperlink button. It's the second from the left on the row right above the smileys. Just hover your pointer over the icons and they show what they are. Here's the link to that page. I must say, it's an impressive string indeed!!
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=116706.160 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=116706.160)
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Thanks for the tip Terry.
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A thread documenting some of the mods on my armada.....might give you some ideas.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=109935.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=109935.0)
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A thread documenting some of the mods on my armada.....might give you some ideas.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=109935.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=109935.0)
Hi Mike!! I have read through it about 20 times already. Tons of good info. Thanks for posting it. If I only had your skills. :o I going to have to stick to over the counter parts and pieces.
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TerryH,
I recognize those 600 fps shots you have from time to time. They are double feeds. You cock the gun, it doesn't fire, so it is cocked again, which puts a second pellet in the bore. When you fire, you get two pellets shot, at about 600 fps.
I really like a lot of Hill parts as well, but went with the Huma regulator (due to rapid availability). Let us know how the Audruis regulator from Lithuania works out for you.
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Good call Addertooth
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TerryH,
I recognize those 600 fps shots you have from time to time. They are double feeds. You cock the gun, it doesn't fire, so it is cocked again, which puts a second pellet in the bore. When you fire, you get two pellets shot, at about 600 fps.
I really like a lot of Hill parts as well, but went with the Huma regulator (due to rapid availability). Let us know how the Audruis regulator from Lithuania works out for you.
Thanks Todd! I final figured it that out last night when I put together my indoor chrony setup and was counting shots. 2 pellets make a distinctively different sound when they hit the trap as well. Am I doing something wrong? Once I realized what was happening I made sure to have full stroke back when cocking but I still had a couple. Should I remove the magazine and cock and then reinstall so there aren't 2 in the chamber or just shoot the 2 and go on?
Will do on the report. I was ready to order the Huma until Tim said he preferred the Audruis. My plan is to install Tim's hammer spring by itself and get some shot strings just to see how much the spring itself changes the tune. I'll install the Hill valve, gauge port. TP, drill the barrel and add the reg after that. Lots of chrony time coming right up. I'll post the strings. Tim has been super helpful. I'm looking forward to the process.
Here's my indoor chrony setup with the rubber mulch trap which is nothing more than a bag of mulch in a cardboard box. Chrony functioned perfectly with the light kit. Rubber mulch trap also worked perfectly so I should be good to go for lots 'o testing.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/359/32071955632_5fd9f3480b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QS6a3h)
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I've been running shot strings with some heavier pellets and with various adjustments on the still stock Armada. As a total AG newby I must say that it's pretty amazing what turning a few screws will do!! I'll sort through the shot strings and post some if anyone is interested in how a stock rifle shoots heavy pellets. Now onto the mods....
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Double feeds are avoidable, but you must pull the bolt back very aggressively with every cycle. When it is pulled back, it should stay back until you manually close it (if you have pulled it back far enough). When you pull the trigger and it does not fire, pull the bolt all the way back until it stays back without pressure, remove the magazine, close the bolt (without the magazine in), fire, pull the bolt all the way back until it stays, insert magazine, continue your normal shooting routine.
A little bit about installing Just the spring.... Tim's parts are meant to work as a whole, lighter 25 gram hammer, short stiff 261/262 hammer spring, and valve with a lighter valve spring. Using parts one at a time does not fully reveal what they do, as they are meant to work as a whole. Did you order the valve with the 6 pound spring?
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Double feeds are avoidable, but you must pull the bolt back very aggressively with every cycle. When it is pulled back, it should stay back until you manually close it (if you have pulled it back far enough). When you pull the trigger and it does not fire, pull the bolt all the way back until it stays back without pressure, remove the magazine, close the bolt (without the magazine in), fire, pull the bolt all the way back until it stays, insert magazine, continue your normal shooting routine.
A little bit about installing Just the spring.... Tim's parts are meant to work as a whole, lighter 25 gram hammer, short stiff 261/262 hammer spring, and valve with a lighter valve spring. Using parts one at a time does not fully reveal what they do, as they are meant to work as a whole. Did you order the valve with the 6 pound spring?
Thanks Todd. I had much better success with last night's shot strings. Definitely important to get the bolt 100% back as far as it will go.
Tim asked me to do some shot strings with just the spring and send to him.
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Opening up the metering valve and putting a little hammer spring in it wakes it right up with the heavy pellets. Poor CRV quarter. ;D Not a tune that I'm going to stick with but on a bad day at the body shop it was kinda nice.
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/1/635/31876412570_419bbdf049_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QyNWUb)
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I assume by the long cord across the top of your bench you are using a tablet and the free app, I love mine and can store many shot strings from many rifles with different weight ammo.
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I assume by the long cord across the top of your bench you are using a tablet and the free app, I love mine and can store many shot strings from many rifles with different weight ammo.
My phone actually. Works great.
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One thing I wanted to accomplish when I started with the Armada was to understand how each mod affected the gun on it's own so hopefully I could understand how the entire package functions as a unit. Doing that means lots of pumping and lots of shot strings. 20+ strings in the last couple of days means my G6 pump and I have become quite familiar with each other. :o
Those strings range from a totally out of the box stock tune to where I am now which is the metering screw wide open and the 12.5 Hill spring. I've shot 3 different pellets ranging in weight from 14.66gr to 21.14gr throughout the tests. I've decided to stick with the JSB MDEJH at 18.13gr for now. I think I'm beginning to get my head around some of the physics at play in these guns. Tim has been an incredible help to me in that regard.
Here's where I stopped tonight. Even though the ES is much too high it is at least a 30 shot string with all shots above 30fpe. A 5+ shot improvement over what I could get with the stock spring.
Created: 01/12/17 08:58 PM
Description: Armada with Hill Spring
Notes 1: JSBEJM 18.13
Notes 2: Hammer: 0 Striker: 1.0 3000psi to 1800psi.
Distance to Chrono(FT): 1.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 18.13
Temp: 34 °F
BP: 28.80 inHg
Altitude: 1120.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
31 866 30.20 15.70
30 869 30.41 15.75
29 875 30.83 15.86
28 877 30.97 15.90
27 879 31.11 15.94
26 887 31.68 16.08
25 886 31.61 16.06
24 896 32.32 16.24
23 899 32.54 16.30
22 900 32.61 16.32
21 900 32.61 16.32
20 891 31.96 16.15
19 890 31.89 16.14
18 901 32.69 16.34
17 896 32.32 16.24
16 898 32.47 16.28
15 915 33.71 16.59
14 903 32.83 16.37
13 880 31.18 15.95
12 901 32.69 16.34
11 905 32.98 16.41
10 909 33.27 16.48
9 896 32.32 16.24
8 890 31.89 16.14
7 917 33.86 16.63
6 911 33.42 16.52
5 907 33.12 16.44
4 919 34.01 16.66
3 916 33.78 16.61
2 917 33.86 16.63
1 914 33.64 16.57
Average: 897.1 FPS
SD: 14.7 FPS
Min: 866 FPS
Max: 919 FPS
Spread: 53 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.2
True MV: 897 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
The Hill spring is obviously is too stiff for the stock, heavy hammer. No surprise since it's designed for the light lighter hammer. So the next step is to install the 25g Tim Hill hammer and shoot some more strings. Hopefully that will bring those initial shots down in speed and help even out the string.
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Terry if you're still going to use the TSS you won't believe how well it works, I haven't touched my Mrod since I took it out of the box after purchasing it through Crosman for the cyber monday deal except for doing an out of box chrony test on it. I liked Travis's reply for the remedy for installing it with the Armada, I'm thinking about eventually using the thread lock on mine to make it look neater(no exposed locknut) in appearance, plus the fact that the locknut does contact the wood on mine but very little. For my intentions with the .25 I'm going for the JSB 33.95gr and after I do a chrony test with the Benjamin pellets I'll be installing the heavier primary spring in it. I think them JSB 18.13's are the best pellet out there for my Disco, Prod and modded 2240, they're super accurate and really get the job done for hunting squirrels as well.
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Terry if you're still going to use the TSS you won't believe how well it works, I haven't touched my Mrod since I took it out of the box after purchasing it through Crosman for the cyber monday deal except for doing an out of box chrony test on it. I liked Travis's reply for the remedy for installing it with the Armada, I'm thinking about eventually using the thread lock on mine to make it look neater(no exposed locknut) in appearance, plus the fact that the locknut does contact the wood on mine but very little. For my intentions with the .25 I'm going for the JSB 33.95gr and after I do a chrony test with the Benjamin pellets I'll be installing the heavier primary spring in it. I think them JSB 18.13's are the best pellet out there for my Disco, Prod and modded 2240, they're super accurate and really get the job done for hunting squirrels as well.
Thanks Wayne! I've been following your posts on the TSS thread. Thanks for posting your strings! I'm going to install all the Hill parts before trying anything else. Even though I love the Armada stock, not being able to adjust the hammer spring with the action in the stock. I have been shooting the action out of the stock and that's working fine in the Hyskore vise. Nice to be able to do whatever without destocking it constantly.
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This is great. I also just got my first pcp gun in the first week of December 2016 and I have been nerding out pretty hard, sorting pellets, trying different pellets, making dope charts and looking up info online. My wife keeps making fun of me for it. I should have her read this thread to make me look a little more sane. I wish I had some more money so I could go this crazy. My next purchase is definitely a chronograph so I can get some more data from my gun. Keep up the good work and I'll be following along for sure!
-Tom
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This is great. I also just got my first pcp gun in the first week of December 2016 and I have been nerding out pretty hard, sorting pellets, trying different pellets, making dope charts and looking up info online. My wife keeps making fun of me for it. I should have her read this thread to make me look a little more sane. I wish I had some more money so I could go this crazy. My next purchase is definitely a chronograph so I can get some more data from my gun. Keep up the good work and I'll be following along for sure!
-Tom
Thanks Tom. Not so sure that you can compare yourself to me to verify your sanity. lol...
A well placed Christmas bonus allowed me to get into the PCP game. Here's the link to the chrony setup that I have. Price has gone up alittle from when I bought mine but it's still the best deal that I know of.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HTN5290/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HTN5290/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
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It's ok I think it worked. I told her all about your post and when I saw the chrony on Amazon her response was "great. How can you pass up a good deal?" Wait does that mean it worked? Haha. Eh oh well a new chrony it is!
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Well, it is a really good deal after all. Women know good deals when they see them too, right? :D
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Terry,
Found this on another forum and thought you may be interested. http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/air-compressor-as-first-stage-for-hand-pump/ (http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/air-compressor-as-first-stage-for-hand-pump/)
If you scroll down , there is a pic of how to get pressurized air into your G6 pump . This should make the hand pumping a bit faster for all the testing you're doing . I think I read 50 psi regulated pressure to the pump . And only a couple dollars worth of fittings to adapt compressor to pump.
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It's ok I think it worked. I told her all about your post and when I saw the chrony on Amazon her response was "great. How can you pass up a good deal?" Wait does that mean it worked? Haha. Eh oh well a new chrony it is!
Wow, you better take care of your wonderful wife! ;)
Welcome to the forum Tom!
Ed
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I have seen this combo of compressor and hand pump before but was quiet hoping to hear results of ENDURANCE TESTING...
This is a good transition betwen the hand pump and HPA compressor..
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I have read good reports with 2 years of use and possibly one rebuild in that time.
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Good combo for pumping a 2000 psi rig... I have seen the Airgunlab booster pump setup and i`m thinking of a crosbread betwen the 2 now... LOL
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It's ok I think it worked. I told her all about your post and when I saw the chrony on Amazon her response was "great. How can you pass up a good deal?" Wait does that mean it worked? Haha. Eh oh well a new chrony it is!
Hahahahaha. Just let me know what you want next and I find a deal on it for ya. ;D
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Installed the Hill hammer last night. Per Tim's instructions I removed the stock striker from the stock hammer and installed it in the lightweight hammer as I'm looking for a 30+ fpe tune. Tim's hammer weighs 20g. Substituting the stock striker bring the total weight up to 25g.
Didn't take long to determine that the stiff poppet valve spring in the stock valve does not like the light hammer and spring combo. Have to put way to much spring preload in it to get the fps up. Gun is definitely quieter though. Changing out to the Hill gauge block and Hill valve this afternoon. More shot strings to come. I do love a good experiment.
Tim's hammer as it comes...
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/386/31493160653_260bca160c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PYWFsv)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/537/32184286371_d26aa0dc06_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/R31T4a)
And with the stock striker substituted for the Hill striker...
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/406/31927224060_7aa43de245_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QDinom)
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thanks for the Caldwell Chrony Amazon link, Terry. Great price ($87 Amazon Prime). I just pulled the trigger. My finicky Shooting Chrony F1 will probably end up becoming part of a Raspberry Pi experiment.
Gary
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Terry,
Found this on another forum and thought you may be interested. http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/air-compressor-as-first-stage-for-hand-pump/ (http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/air-compressor-as-first-stage-for-hand-pump/)
If you scroll down , there is a pic of how to get pressurized air into your G6 pump . This should make the hand pumping a bit faster for all the testing you're doing . I think I read 50 psi regulated pressure to the pump . And only a couple dollars worth of fittings to adapt compressor to pump.
Thanks Denis!! I had seen this on the Benji pumps but was clueless how to do it on my G6. I see now. Going to get some parts and give it a try. I have a big compressor for my shop but I think I'll try my HF pancake compressor. Easier to regulate and it's oilless. I've pumped about 3000 pumps this week testing. Great cardio but sheesh...that's a lot of pumping. :o
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Need...yes, that's it. Honey, I need this. Really. ;D
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Another interesting day in the shop for me as a total air gun newby. Today I installed Tim Hill's tricked out valve and gauge block. More on the install in a minute. Here's a couple pics of those parts vs the stock parts.
Not a whole lot of exterior differences but the poppet spring is only 6.5 lbs. Way softer than the original. You can barely move the original with you finger but it's super easy to unseat the valve in the Hill. A much better match for the lighter spring and hammer.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/273/32196029441_fc22f2fcde_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/R444RT)
This pic of the gauge blocks pretty much speaks for itself as to the difference.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/510/32165898962_150c2ed8f0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/R1oD7S)
Now for the installation. Tim suggests in the instructions to file or Dremel a chamfer on the inside of the gauge block hole in the air reservoir. Let me say that is an absolute necessity. After several unsuccessful tries and 2 rounds with the Dremel and smoothing out the chamfer with 280 grit wet and dry paper, I finally got the O rings past the stupid gauge block hole without nicking them. Live and learn. Follow the instructions. The dude that wrote them probably know what he is doing. ::)
I'd say that the change was pretty significant. First shot string with the hammer and striker both backed all the way out I got 43 shots over 30 fpe. ES is bad but when I trim the ends off that string to the best 38 shots the ES is 4.90. Obviously still not great but it is coming from an unregulated rifle with the stock TP.
I'll drill the barrel and install Tim's .160 TP when the reg gets here but for now I'm pretty pleased with the progress. I know the reg will even out the string and bring the ES down. Anyway, here's the complete string.
Created: 01/14/17 09:40 PM
Description: Hill spring/hammer/valve/gauge block
Notes 1: JSBEJD
Notes 2: hammer: 0 3000
Distance to Chrono(FT): 1.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 18.13
Temp: 39 °F
BP: 28.80 inHg
Altitude: 1120.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
44 869 30.41 15.75
43 868 30.34 15.74
42 875 30.83 15.86
41 874 30.76 15.85
40 877 30.97 15.90
39 883 31.39 16.01
38 884 31.46 16.03
37 900 32.61 16.32
36 903 32.83 16.37
35 913 33.56 16.55
34 914 33.64 16.57
33 920 34.08 16.68
32 921 34.15 16.70
31 927 34.60 16.81
30 929 34.75 16.84
29 934 35.12 16.93
28 938 35.43 17.01
27 926 34.53 16.79
26 933 35.05 16.92
25 927 34.60 16.81
24 933 35.05 16.92
23 929 34.75 16.84
22 931 34.90 16.88
21 925 34.45 16.77
20 933 35.05 16.92
19 928 34.67 16.82
18 930 34.82 16.86
17 931 34.90 16.88
16 916 33.78 16.61
15 926 34.53 16.79
14 924 34.38 16.75
13 918 33.93 16.64
12 912 33.49 16.53
11 903 32.83 16.37
10 912 33.49 16.53
9 916 33.78 16.61
8 901 32.69 16.34
7 902 32.76 16.35
6 901 32.69 16.34
5 893 32.11 16.19
4 892 32.04 16.17
3 895 32.25 16.23
2 881 31.25 15.97
1 870 30.48 15.77
Average: 909.5 FPS
SD: 21.2 FPS
Min: 868 FPS
Max: 938 FPS
Spread: 70 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.2
True MV: 910 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
I'll continue to tune tomorrow with Tim's suggestions after seeing the shot string. I'm anxious to get the regulator!!
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Now for the rest of my day. I did the mods to the G6 pump to use my little pancake compressor as a booster. Took a little doing. Much more of a project than it is for the Benji pump but I think the results were worth it.
The G6 pump pulls air through the handle so the first order of business was to remove the hand grips and and see what's going on inside there.
First thing I see is a little black block of mesh...
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/729/31494230893_ca8c7c9e6a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PZ3aAV)
When I pull out the block of mesh much to my surprise, I see that the handles are full of desiccant beads. Pretty cool idea but they weren't doing a very good job as I was feeling some moisture when I released the bleeder after pumping.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/496/31494232433_c3897df337_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PZ3b4t)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/451/31494233513_88e06580db_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PZ3bo6)
After removing the beads and mesh filters, I measured the id of the handle tube and determined that it I could drill it to 3/4" and tap it to 1/2"npt. I picked up the necessary fittings from Lowe's and a little desiccant inline filter from Harbor Freight.
Here are the fittings. 1 - 1/2"npt x 1/2"npt male, 1 - 1/2"npt x 1/4" npt reducer and 1 - 1/2"npt pipe plug.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/526/32196005701_0ee41a7200_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/R43WNz)
And the filter and a 90 degree air swivel I also picked up from HF. A 1/4"npt x 1/4"npt male fitting will also be required.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/538/31504765523_936b70ff9e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PZYabt)
Here's the handle tube drilled to 3/4" id. Both ends of the handle have to be drilled and tapped.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/485/32268858046_248e76870e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Raukgu)
One end of the handle will receive the 1/2"npt plug. In the other half of the handle I reinstalled the mesh plugs and the desiccant beads once both ends were tapped before installing the 1/2" x 1/2" male fitting.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/411/31473685664_42b0586043_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PXdSdQ)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/583/31938579050_348d34ccb5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QEiyQ3)
Here's the completed plugged end.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/477/32276524216_0538ee5e00_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RbaC9Q)
And after the hand grip was trimmed to clear and installed.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/714/31938577540_c8acab4e07_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QEiyo1)
And here's the business end with the 1/2" x 1/2" male installed into the tapped handle end and the 1/2" x 1/4" reducer installed.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/484/32195998391_e97b171aa0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/R43UCx)
I added the 90 degree swivel fitting to mount the desiccant filter so it could move freely during the pump stroke. The filter will stay with the pump so I can have the added air drying whether I'm using the booster compressor or not. I added a regular type N foster fitting to connect the compressor.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/621/31938570700_3ed2a8f1c0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QEiwm5)
I have a 5hp 80 gallon Snap On compressor for my shop needs but I opted to use the little Harbor Freight pancake compressor that we use at the race track. It's oil less and obviously portable. I have the output regulated down to 15-20 psi. for this application.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/756/31938566370_d4ef2f8605_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QEiv4q)
After all of that, the proof is in the pudding so I hooked it up and began pumping. The stock pump took about 100 pumps or so to go from 2000psi to 3000psi. With the booster pump that number is cut in half with only 52 pumps to gain the same 1000psi.
Here is the completed setup in use. I'm quite happy with the results. The pumps do require a bit more effort with the booster but the number of pumps being cut in half way more than balances that out.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/429/31938565090_23a3295faa_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QEiuFm)
Once I started using the boosted pump I discovered that the bolts attaching the handle to the shaft leaked like crazy since the handle is now pressurized. I filed the mating surface flat and cut a couple of slices off a nylon spacer that I had to make 2 nylon washers to form a seal for the bolts to the handle.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/772/32277351226_ef451d4651_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RbeRZC)
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Down from 100 to 52 pumps, WTG, Terry! I've been following along with your progress, you are doing an excellent job, keep up the good work.
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Terry-REALLY nice work on the pump and your shot string looks great especially without installing the regulator yet! ;)
Question:Could you please expand/explain the "chamfering" of the air tube a bit for this dummy? Does this mean taken a bit of material off of the inboard side of the gauge hole? I'd have to use a file, no dremel. Kinda scares me. :-\ I plan on getting Tim's kit eventually, gonna do the TSS first.
Thanks!
Ed
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Terry-REALLY nice work on the pump and your shot string looks great especially without installing the regulator yet! ;)
Question:Could you please expand/explain the "chamfering" of the air tube a bit for this dummy? Does this mean taken a bit of material off of the inboard side of the gauge hole? I'd have to use a file, no dremel. Kinda scares me. :-\ I plan on getting Tim's kit eventually, gonna do the TSS first.
Thanks!
Ed
Thanks Ed!! Yes, basically beveling back the inside of the gauge hole in the air res. The edge is sharp and it is nearly impossible...for me anyway...to get the O ring past that edge without nicking it or outright tearing it in half. I have a pile of O rings in various stages of destroyed that testify to that. Would be easily done with a file. Just need a small, fine round file. You need to transform the 90 degree edge of the hole to more of a 45 degree bevel. I followed up the Dremel with some wet and dry sand paper that I just rolled up and used to smooth out the surface of the chamfer.
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Down from 100 to 52 pumps, WTG, Terry! I've been following along with your progress, you are doing an excellent job, keep up the good work.
Thanks Ken! The pump project was fun.
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Exellent job on the pump and chamfering.. How do you like the pump mod so far??
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Exellent job on the pump and chamfering.. How do you like the pump mod so far??
Thanks Alain! Only pumped up a couple of times but I think the booster on the pump is going to be very good. Time will tell but so far I like it.
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I don't have the same pump but that is an interesting idea. Does the mod make it so you can only use it with the air compressor or will it still work fun as a stand alone pump?
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I don't have the same pump but that is an interesting idea. Does the mod make it so you can only use it with the air compressor or will it still work fun as a stand alone pump?
The pump works fine either way. Plus the added moisture removal of the extra filter.
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Terry-REALLY nice work on the pump and your shot string looks great especially without installing the regulator yet! ;)
Question:Could you please expand/explain the "chamfering" of the air tube a bit for this dummy? Does this mean taken a bit of material off of the inboard side of the gauge hole? I'd have to use a file, no dremel. Kinda scares me. :-\ I plan on getting Tim's kit eventually, gonna do the TSS first.
Thanks!
Ed
Thanks Ed!! Yes, basically beveling back the inside of the gauge hole in the air res. The edge is sharp and it is nearly impossible...for me anyway...to get the O ring past that edge without nicking it or outright tearing it in half. I have a pile of O rings in various stages of destroyed that testify to that. Would be easily done with a file. Just need a small, fine round file. You need to transform the 90 degree edge of the hole to more of a 45 degree bevel. I followed up the Dremel with some wet and dry sand paper that I just rolled up and used to smooth out the surface of the chamfer.
Thanks much Terry, appreciate it. That's what I thought it meant, just wanted it confirmed. Shouldn't be difficult. I've got a nice set of small files.
Ed
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Nice work Terry. Glad the booster worked out . I boosted my Hatsan pump with near the same results , but nowhere near as nice of a job as you did.
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Nice work Terry. Glad the booster worked out . I boosted my Hatsan pump with near the same results , but nowhere near as nice of a job as you did.
Thanks Denis!! It's all your fault. ;D After a few more shot strings I've settled with 20psi to the G6. That seems to be the best compromise between number of pumps and pumping effort. I was pretty impressed that I could go from 1700 to 3000 on 69 pumps.
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Few more shot strings from this afternoon. I've decided to hold off with any more testing until I get the regulator. Still no tracking other than it was processed through the facility in Lithuania on 1.7. ::) I'll open up the TP to .160 when I install the reg. For now it's hard to be disappointed with these strings. Bad ES for the 40 shots but if I trim the ends off, it's not too bad for 30 shots. It certainly has some power now with lots of adjustment to go. Tim's parts really woke it up. I'm excited to see some numbers with the reg and the .160 TP. If we can dial down the ES, I'd say it's going to be pretty good.
JSB 18.13's. Hammer at 1/2 turn. Striker at zero.
Created: 01/15/17 04:10 PM
Description: Hill hammer/spring/valve/gauge block
Notes 1: JSBMEJHD
Notes 2: 3000psi Hammer: .50
Distance to Chrono(FT): 1.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 18.13
Temp: 55 °F
BP: 28.80 inHg
Altitude: 1120.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
40 866 30.20 15.70
39 873 30.69 15.83
38 880 31.18 15.95
37 883 31.39 16.01
36 894 32.18 16.21
35 894 32.18 16.21
34 890 31.89 16.14
33 898 32.47 16.28
32 899 32.54 16.30
31 912 33.49 16.53
30 919 34.01 16.66
29 916 33.78 16.61
28 924 34.38 16.75
27 936 35.27 16.97
26 927 34.60 16.81
25 933 35.05 16.92
24 933 35.05 16.92
23 943 35.80 17.10
22 946 36.03 17.15
21 945 35.96 17.13
20 937 35.35 16.99
19 938 35.43 17.01
18 939 35.50 17.02
17 930 34.82 16.86
16 929 34.75 16.84
15 936 35.27 16.97
14 932 34.97 16.90
13 932 34.97 16.90
12 925 34.45 16.77
11 923 34.30 16.73
10 923 34.30 16.73
9 921 34.15 16.70
8 911 33.42 16.52
7 918 33.93 16.64
6 903 32.83 16.37
5 916 33.78 16.61
4 913 33.56 16.55
3 920 34.08 16.68
2 918 33.93 16.64
1 903 32.83 16.37
Average: 917.0 FPS
SD: 20.2 FPS
Min: 866 FPS
Max: 946 FPS
Spread: 80 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.2
True MV: 917 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
I decided that I'd switch over to the HNBM 21.14's just for fun. Hammer at 1/2 turn. Striker at zero.
Created: 01/15/17 04:22 PM
Description: Hill hammer/spring/valve/gauge block
Notes 1: HNBM
Notes 2: 3000psi Hammer: .50
Distance to Chrono(FT): 1.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 21.14
Temp: 55 °F
BP: 28.80 inHg
Altitude: 1120.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
40 830 32.34 17.55
39 841 33.21 17.78
38 837 32.89 17.69
37 843 33.36 17.82
36 854 34.24 18.05
35 860 34.72 18.18
34 863 34.97 18.24
33 871 35.62 18.41
32 874 35.86 18.48
31 879 36.27 18.58
30 880 36.36 18.60
29 886 36.85 18.73
28 884 36.69 18.69
27 883 36.61 18.67
26 888 37.02 18.77
25 885 36.77 18.71
24 890 37.19 18.81
23 884 36.69 18.69
22 892 37.36 18.86
21 895 37.61 18.92
20 893 37.44 18.88
19 886 36.85 18.73
18 886 36.85 18.73
17 882 36.52 18.65
16 886 36.85 18.73
15 885 36.77 18.71
14 885 36.77 18.71
13 871 35.62 18.41
12 877 36.11 18.54
11 870 35.54 18.39
10 874 35.86 18.48
9 874 35.86 18.48
8 872 35.70 18.43
7 866 35.21 18.31
6 861 34.80 18.20
5 849 33.84 17.95
4 854 34.24 18.05
3 842 33.28 17.80
2 849 33.84 17.95
1 843 33.36 17.82
Average: 870.6 FPS
SD: 17.9 FPS
Min: 830 FPS
Max: 895 FPS
Spread: 65 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.2
True MV: 871 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
Continuing with the HNBM 21.14's. Hammer at 3/4 turn. Striker at zero.
Created: 01/15/17 04:39 PM
Description: Hill hammer/spring/valve/gauge block
Notes 1: HNBM
Notes 2: 3000psi Hammer: .75
Distance to Chrono(FT): 1.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 21.14
Temp: 55 °F
BP: 28.80 inHg
Altitude: 1120.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
40 837 32.89 17.69
39 841 33.21 17.78
38 837 32.89 17.69
37 852 34.08 18.01
36 854 34.24 18.05
35 859 34.64 18.16
34 867 35.29 18.33
33 868 35.37 18.35
32 884 36.69 18.69
31 887 36.94 18.75
30 894 37.52 18.90
29 894 37.52 18.90
28 883 36.61 18.67
27 888 37.02 18.77
26 889 37.10 18.79
25 898 37.86 18.98
24 900 38.03 19.03
23 902 38.20 19.07
22 896 37.69 18.94
21 899 37.94 19.00
20 887 36.94 18.75
19 884 36.69 18.69
18 877 36.11 18.54
17 878 36.19 18.56
16 877 36.11 18.54
15 878 36.19 18.56
14 878 36.19 18.56
13 879 36.27 18.58
12 874 35.86 18.48
11 882 36.52 18.65
10 868 35.37 18.35
9 859 34.64 18.16
8 860 34.72 18.18
7 862 34.88 18.22
6 861 34.80 18.20
5 858 34.56 18.14
4 841 33.21 17.78
3 844 33.44 17.84
2 837 32.89 17.69
1 835 32.73 17.65
Average: 871.2 FPS
SD: 20.1 FPS
Min: 835 FPS
Max: 902 FPS
Spread: 67 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.2
True MV: 871 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
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Those are some nice looking strings , are you sure you're new at this ? Once you have the Reg in , the tuning is really gonna impress you . Forgot to ask if you got a good barrel or if you found the magic pellet. I use the cheapest pellets I can find for tuning , mostly crosman 14.3 grain from the tin . Don't forget to clean your barrel , especially after shooting a few thousand pellets during testing .
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Those are some nice looking strings , are you sure you're new at this ? Once you have the Reg in , the tuning is really gonna impress you . Forgot to ask if you got a good barrel or if you found the magic pellet. I use the cheapest pellets I can find for tuning , mostly crosman 14.3 grain from the tin . Don't forget to clean your barrel , especially after shooting a few thousand pellets during testing .
I never even saw a PCP gun in person before 2 weeks ago. :D I'm a researcher by nature. Some days a blessing. Some days a curse. Much of this must be credited to Tim Hill. He's held my hand throughout the process and obviously makes some great parts for these rifles. The basis of the experiment was could a total PCP newbie achieve a well tuned, accurate and high shot count gun with over the counter parts and no original knowledge. The jury is still out but it's looking promising.
Seems that this Armada has a good .22 barrel even though I'm still tempted to get a better HF barrel. It shot very well with the JSB 18.13's that I'm doing most of the testing with. It was worth it to me to test with the pellet that I'm most likely to be shooting. It also seemed to shoot the H&N 21.14's well so that's been the other choice. 1000+ JSB's and 400+ H&N's so far. I didn't want to test and tune with a lighter pellet that I'm unlikely to use since I've apparently become mesmerized by 30fpe. :o The barrel is due a cleaning before I start tuning with the reg.
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If you want to try some cheaper pellets try the AA 16's in 5.52 head size, flat shooting and accurate in my brother's SynRod. You can get them up to 30fpe .
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FWIW; You will not see any additional tracking until it hits the states. There is allot of variance in shipping times. You have to be patient. ;)
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FWIW; You will not see any additional tracking until it hits the states. There is allot of variance in shipping times. You have to be patient. ;)
I'm in no hurry...lie.
I'm a patient person...another lie.
I have no choice but to wait...unfortunate truth. ;D
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If you want to try some cheaper pellets try the AA 16's in 5.52 head size, flat shooting and accurate in my brother's SynRod. You can get them up to 30fpe .
Thanks Robert! I hope that the bulk of the testing is behind me. I don't plan any more mods except to add the reg and drill the barrel for the TP. Past that, I hope that we'll be down to a little spring adjustment and go to shooting. I've come this far with the JSB's so I'll probably just keep shooting them.
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That's cool Terry, in case you did not know the AA's are made by JSB, more or less the same pellet except for JSB using AA's die for their pellets. Some say the AA's are slightly better quality.
You can also get the AA's in 18.grains.
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That's cool Terry, in case you did not know the AA's are made by JSB, more or less the same pellet except for JSB using AA's die for their pellets. Some say the AA's are slightly better quality.
You can also get the AA's in 18.grains.
Interesting. I didn't not know that the AA's were made by JSB. They are $2 per tin cheaper.
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And as soon as I'm making progress, the foster connector spits out all it's ball bearings and it's junk. New one on the way from Air Venturi but no fun for me right now. ::)
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Geeze, that S U C K S! >:( Hope you get the new one fast!
Ed
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Geeze, that S U C K S! >:( Hope you get the new one fast!
Ed
Well, interestingly enough the nice man at Air Venturi that was helping me told me that the junk quick connectors that they have "had a lot of trouble with" have a ball end fitting to match the particular hose that hey "were" using. Thus the real Foster fitting that they are going to send me now has to have that ball recess turned by hand on a lathe to match said cheapie hose....so.......
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Well that kind of info I didn't need since I have an Air Venturi CF tank with their hose and fitting. ::) If that sucker should let go when I'm filling a gun and it has 4500 psi it wouldn't be pretty! :o
Ed
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Well that kind of info I didn't need since I have an Air Venturi CF tank with their hose and fitting. ::) If that sucker should let go when I'm filling a gun and it has 4500 psi it wouldn't be pretty! :o
Ed
Just make sure that all 6 ball bearings are in the quick connector. I had been having trouble getting it on and off for the past few days. I figured out that the ball bearings were falling out when I saw one hit the floor. There was only 1 left in it. No telling how many times I had filled the gun with less than the required 6. Not a happy camper. I bought the combo from AGD specifically because it had the G6 pump. The pump is great but the cutting of corners on the hose and fittings...not so much. The guy that I talked to at AV had obviously seen this plenty of times before me. He assured me that the real foster would be fine. Also looks like it didn't get shipped today like it was supposed to either. Still just says that a label was created same as yesterday with no tracking.
I bought 2 - 45 minute CF tanks from a member here that are set to deliver tomorrow but they'll have to be hydro certified and waiting on fill rig etc... Looks like I'll be shooting the trusty NP2 for stress relief. :o
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Nice work on the pump.
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Nice work on the pump.
Thank you, Robert!
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Terry--I will definitely be checking my balls.......... ::) I noticed that 2 of those tanks had sold, now I know to whom. Darn good deal! You'll be in heaven once you start using them. Sure beats all that pumping! Hope you have a place nearby that does 4500 fills. ??? I'm really lucky that I have a scuba shop 25 minutes away that does 4500 very reasonably and they're great people. Just hope they never close!
Ed
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Terry--I will definitely be checking my balls.......... ::) I noticed that 2 of those tanks had sold, now I know to whom. Darn good deal! You'll be in heaven once you start using them. Sure beats all that pumping! Hope you have a place nearby that does 4500 fills. ??? I'm really lucky that I have a scuba shop 25 minutes away that does 4500 very reasonably and they're great people. Just hope they never close!
Ed
One should always know the number and the whereabouts of one's balls. ;D
I actually got the 2 tanks for $200 all in to my door. Set to be delivered tomorrow. Local fire extinguisher place does the hydro's for $28. Paint ball guy in my town will fill to 4500psi for $12.
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Terry--I will definitely be checking my balls.......... ::) I noticed that 2 of those tanks had sold, now I know to whom. Darn good deal! You'll be in heaven once you start using them. Sure beats all that pumping! Hope you have a place nearby that does 4500 fills. ??? I'm really lucky that I have a scuba shop 25 minutes away that does 4500 very reasonably and they're great people. Just hope they never close!
Ed
One should always know the number and the whereabouts of one's balls. ;D
I actually got the 2 tanks for $200 all in to my door. Set to be delivered tomorrow. Local fire extinguisher place does the hydro's for $28. Paint ball guy in my town will fill to 4500psi for $12.
Sounds like you'll be in great shape once you get replacements! ;D Wow, at 2 for $200 you should be ashamed--you stole 'em! Good for you!
Ed
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Guessing that theses at going to make life easier...
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Those are some nice clean looking tanks. You will be much happier using them once you get them going. I would go with the Stikman fill assy. with having two tanks to work with.
I have been following along while out hunting and took a look at your last JSB string. That string is pushing the JSBs hard for sure at 33.86 FPE. Once you are able to control the peak with the reg., you should see the ES tighten up more. With the ports opened up so much you can expect a higher ES without a reg. or other means to control the peak. You did get 25 shots from a 2850 fill that gave you a 3.7% ES at 34.75 FPE average.
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Terry-Glad you received the tanks ok, doesn't look like they were packed all that well. ??? What are you gonna use for your "fill rig"? I've been thinking about buying the one left and he sent me a youtube link showing how an adapter he made can be used with a scuba fill station which I have. Don't know if I'd trust that or not but it seemed to work fine in the video. I know an adapter/hose from JoeB for a SCBA is $150+. I'm going to call my scuba shop & see what a hydro would cost. Maybe by then it'll be sold & I can quit considering it.......
Ed
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Those are some nice clean looking tanks. You will be much happier using them once you get them going. I would go with the Stikman fill assy. with having two tanks to work with.
I have been following along while out hunting and took a look at your last JSB string. That string is pushing the JSBs hard for sure at 33.86 FPE. Once you are able to control the peak with the reg., you should see the ES tighten up more. With the ports opened up so much you can expect a higher ES without a reg. or other means to control the peak. You did get 25 shots from a 2850 fill that gave you a 3.7% ES at 34.75 FPE average.
Thanks Keith!
I've been studying the Skikman and JoeB's stuff. Not 100% sure what I'm going to do yet. Makes sense to be able to cascade the tanks since I have 2. Sending them off for hydro and go from there.
I'm anxious to get the reg and open up the TP. I feel like once the ES get's in check that it should produce some really nice strings. I'm enjoying working on it but ready to get to shooting it any time now!
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Terry-Glad you received the tanks ok, doesn't look like they were packed all that well. ??? What are you gonna use for your "fill rig"? I've been thinking about buying the one left and he sent me a youtube link showing how an adapter he made can be used with a scuba fill station which I have. Don't know if I'd trust that or not but it seemed to work fine in the video. I know an adapter/hose from JoeB for a SCBA is $150+. I'm going to call my scuba shop & see what a hydro would cost. Maybe by then it'll be sold & I can quit considering it.......
Ed
FedEx was kind to them between Cali and here. :D I have that adapter but I think I'll buy one of the premade fill systems anyway. I ordered a hand tight fitting and male foster so I can get them filled at the local paint ball place.
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Those are some nice clean looking tanks. You will be much happier using them once you get them going. I would go with the Stikman fill assy. with having two tanks to work with.
I have been following along while out hunting and took a look at your last JSB string. That string is pushing the JSBs hard for sure at 33.86 FPE. Once you are able to control the peak with the reg., you should see the ES tighten up more. With the ports opened up so much you can expect a higher ES without a reg. or other means to control the peak. You did get 25 shots from a 2850 fill that gave you a 3.7% ES at 34.75 FPE average.
Thanks Keith!
I've been studying the Skikman and JoeB's stuff. Not 100% sure what I'm going to do yet. Makes sense to be able to cascade the tanks since I have 2. Sending them off for hydro and go from there.
I'm anxious to get the reg and open up the TP. I feel like once the ES get's in check that it should produce some really nice strings. I'm enjoying working on it but ready to get to shooting it any time now!
The Stikman, although a little pricey, should pay for itself over time. It is really easy to remove and install by hand. and can be adjusted easily for different viewing angles. You can fill using the tank with less pressure and then top off with the higher pressure tank. This will limit the number of trips to get a refill which saves gas, time and money. Don't fall for the slow fill DIN valve. The valve on the Scott tank is very easy to control the fill pressure safely.
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Those are some nice clean looking tanks. You will be much happier using them once you get them going. I would go with the Stikman fill assy. with having two tanks to work with.
I have been following along while out hunting and took a look at your last JSB string. That string is pushing the JSBs hard for sure at 33.86 FPE. Once you are able to control the peak with the reg., you should see the ES tighten up more. With the ports opened up so much you can expect a higher ES without a reg. or other means to control the peak. You did get 25 shots from a 2850 fill that gave you a 3.7% ES at 34.75 FPE average.
Thanks Keith!
I've been studying the Skikman and JoeB's stuff. Not 100% sure what I'm going to do yet. Makes sense to be able to cascade the tanks since I have 2. Sending them off for hydro and go from there.
I'm anxious to get the reg and open up the TP. I feel like once the ES get's in check that it should produce some really nice strings. I'm enjoying working on it but ready to get to shooting it any time now!
The Stikman, although a little pricey, should pay for itself over time. It is really easy to remove and install by hand. and can be adjusted easily for different viewing angles. You can fill using the tank with less pressure and then top off with the higher pressure tank. This will limit the number of trips to get a refill which saves gas, time and money. Don't fall for the slow fill DIN valve. The valve on the Scott tank is very easy to control the fill pressure safely.
I watched the vid on the Air Tanks Plus web page. The whole reason I bought 2 tanks was to be able to cascade fill with them to save trips to the paintball store. I'll probably just get the Stikman and call it good. I bought a hand tight adapter and a male foster from Air Tanks Plus already so I can get them filled.
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Those are some nice clean looking tanks. You will be much happier using them once you get them going. I would go with the Stikman fill assy. with having two tanks to work with.
I have been following along while out hunting and took a look at your last JSB string. That string is pushing the JSBs hard for sure at 33.86 FPE. Once you are able to control the peak with the reg., you should see the ES tighten up more. With the ports opened up so much you can expect a higher ES without a reg. or other means to control the peak. You did get 25 shots from a 2850 fill that gave you a 3.7% ES at 34.75 FPE average.
Thanks Keith!
I've been studying the Skikman and JoeB's stuff. Not 100% sure what I'm going to do yet. Makes sense to be able to cascade the tanks since I have 2. Sending them off for hydro and go from there.
I'm anxious to get the reg and open up the TP. I feel like once the ES get's in check that it should produce some really nice strings. I'm enjoying working on it but ready to get to shooting it any time now!
The Stikman, although a little pricey, should pay for itself over time. It is really easy to remove and install by hand. and can be adjusted easily for different viewing angles. You can fill using the tank with less pressure and then top off with the higher pressure tank. This will limit the number of trips to get a refill which saves gas, time and money. Don't fall for the slow fill DIN valve. The valve on the Scott tank is very easy to control the fill pressure safely.
I watched the vid on the Air Tanks Plus web page. The whole reason I bought 2 tanks was to be able to cascade fill with them to save trips to the paintball store. I'll probably just get the Stikman and call it good. I bought a hand tight adapter and a male foster from Air Tanks Plus already so I can get them filled.
You will still need another connection or fill assembly with a bleed off valve for the second tank if you want to cascade them. I would just call Joe B. for those parts.
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Those are some nice clean looking tanks. You will be much happier using them once you get them going. I would go with the Stikman fill assy. with having two tanks to work with.
I have been following along while out hunting and took a look at your last JSB string. That string is pushing the JSBs hard for sure at 33.86 FPE. Once you are able to control the peak with the reg., you should see the ES tighten up more. With the ports opened up so much you can expect a higher ES without a reg. or other means to control the peak. You did get 25 shots from a 2850 fill that gave you a 3.7% ES at 34.75 FPE average.
Thanks Keith!
I've been studying the Skikman and JoeB's stuff. Not 100% sure what I'm going to do yet. Makes sense to be able to cascade the tanks since I have 2. Sending them off for hydro and go from there.
I'm anxious to get the reg and open up the TP. I feel like once the ES get's in check that it should produce some really nice strings. I'm enjoying working on it but ready to get to shooting it any time now!
The Stikman, although a little pricey, should pay for itself over time. It is really easy to remove and install by hand. and can be adjusted easily for different viewing angles. You can fill using the tank with less pressure and then top off with the higher pressure tank. This will limit the number of trips to get a refill which saves gas, time and money. Don't fall for the slow fill DIN valve. The valve on the Scott tank is very easy to control the fill pressure safely.
I watched the vid on the Air Tanks Plus web page. The whole reason I bought 2 tanks was to be able to cascade fill with them to save trips to the paintball store. I'll probably just get the Stikman and call it good. I bought a hand tight adapter and a male foster from Air Tanks Plus already so I can get them filled.
You will still need another connection or fill assembly with a bleed off valve for the second tank if you want to cascade them. I would just call Joe B. for those parts.
They sell the Stikman with the cascade setup as a unit for $249. I like JoeB's stuff too. Really just about a toss up as far as I'm concerned. I'm waiting on the air gun fund to be refilled before I do anything one way or the other.
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Well, if you had bought the cascade system at my cyber Monday discount price for one Stikman, your second Stikman would be costing you only $83. That's a pretty good deal when looking at it from that angle.
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Well, if you had bought the cascade system at my cyber Monday discount price for one Stikman, your second Stikman would be costing you only $83. That's a pretty good deal when looking at it from that angle.
Well, turns out what I need now is cyber random Wednesday or Thursday. ;D
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Hey Terry any word on your regulator yet? I ordered mine a week ago and tracking still just says shipping info received. ???
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Hey Terry any word on your regulator yet? I ordered mine a week ago and tracking still just says shipping info received. ???
Hey Shawn. I bought mine on Jan. 2. On Jan. 5 it says it was accepted at the PO in Lithuania. It was processed through that PO on Jan. 7. Jan. 18 I got the notice that it processed through the PO in Chicago. No update since then. I assume it's somewhere between Chicago and here. It is a slow boat/plane/mule/snowmobile/bicycle/rickshaw/whatever but Tim says that it'll be worth it. ;D
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OK, I did some more digging and it arrived at office of exchange for USA(where ever that is) yesterday. I have one that came in the first kit I got from Tim and it's pretty sweet. I guess I'm impatiently waiting for that and a part from Travis(oldpro) to tune this gun. You know how it is right? ;)
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OK, I did some more digging and it arrived at office of exchange for USA(where ever that is) yesterday. I have one that came in the first kit I got from Tim and it's pretty sweet. I guess I'm impatiently waiting for that and a part from Travis(oldpro) to tune this gun. You know how it is right? ;)
Oh, trust me. I know exactly how it is. :o I've been digging around assembling pieces for the tanks. Handles, mesh protective things, tank boots, tank feet, you know all the required stuff. Once I finally get everything I want located from about 5 different places I figure out that R and L Airguns has a complete kit consisting of the exact things I spend 4 days researching for the same price as I just spent. At least I get the pleasure of getting more packages from more places. ;D
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I wanted to give a shout out to Roger at Air Tanks Plus. I ordered a SCBA hand tite adapter and male foster this week so I could have my tanks filled at the local paint ball place. Price was good. I was quite surprised when I got a note from Roger saying that the actual shipping was $2.75 less than their standard rate that I paid and that he had refunded the $2.75 to my PayPal account. Don't see much integrity like this in today's world. Thanks to Roger and to Air Tanks Plus!! I will be getting a Stikman filling station with cascade from you as soon as I can.
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Just for grins while I'm stuck waiting on the reg I decided that I'd shoot a string with some JSB 25.39's. Pretty cool to see the .22 cal touch 40fpe on a couple of shots.
Created: 01/21/17 01:07 PM
Description: Armada
Notes 1: JSBEJMD 25.39
Notes 2: Hammer 1.0
Distance to Chrono(FT): 1.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 25.39
Temp: 65 °F
BP: 27.80 inHg
Altitude: 1120.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
29 807 36.72 20.49
28 817 37.64 20.74
27 823 38.19 20.90
26 819 37.82 20.79
25 827 38.56 21.00
24 831 38.94 21.10
23 829 38.75 21.05
22 832 39.03 21.12
21 837 39.50 21.25
20 843 40.07 21.40
19 847 40.45 21.51
18 832 39.03 21.12
17 827 38.56 21.00
16 830 38.84 21.07
15 834 39.22 21.18
14 826 38.47 20.97
13 826 38.47 20.97
12 819 37.82 20.79
11 818 37.73 20.77
10 816 37.55 20.72
9 818 37.73 20.77
8 821 38.01 20.85
7 810 37.00 20.57
6 813 37.27 20.64
5 814 37.36 20.67
4 810 37.00 20.57
3 811 37.09 20.59
2 806 36.63 20.46
1 802 36.27 20.36
Average: 822.2 FPS
SD: 11.1 FPS
Min: 802 FPS
Max: 847 FPS
Spread: 45 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.2
True MV: 822 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
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Wow Terry, that's a great string with nice power! I had to check again to make sure yours is a .22. What-all have you done so far? I'm too lazy to go back through your posts. :-[
+1! Re. Air Tanks Plus! That's the kind of thing that creates loyal customers and builds your business by word of mouth (keyboard?). A LOT of online depend on shipping overcharges to boost their bottom line. Happy to see ATP isn't one of 'em.
Ed
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Wow Terry, that's a great string with nice power! I had to check again to make sure yours is a .22. What-all have you done so far? I'm too lazy to go back through your posts. :-[
+1! Re. Air Tanks Plus! That's the kind of thing that creates loyal customers and builds your business by word of mouth (keyboard?). A LOT of online depend on shipping overcharges to boost their bottom line. Happy to see ATP isn't one of 'em.
Ed
Hi Ed. I have the Tim Hill valve, gauge port, hammer and hammer spring in it so far. Still the stock TP for now. There is more power available right now as I only had one turn on the hammer spring.
I have Tim's .160 TP so I'll be opening up the barrel and adding that once the regulator gets here.
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Terry-Most impressive! ;) I WILL be getting his kit for my .25 when funds allow.
Ed
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Terry-Most impressive! ;) I WILL be getting his kit for my .25 when funds allow.
Ed
Thank you sir. In addition to the super nice parts, Tim has been incredibly helpful all throughout the process. I'd hate to guess how many emails we've exchanged. That's worth a lot.
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Coming along nicely Terry.
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Coming along nicely Terry.
Thank you Robert! Once the reg is here and I can get the ES down it should produce some good strings.
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Coupla turns of the old hammer spring and....
Created: 01/22/17 05:18 PM
Description: Armada Hill valve/gauge block/hammer/spring
Notes 1: JBS Jumbo Monster 25.39
Notes 2: Hammer: 2.5
Distance to Chrono(FT): 1.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 25.39
Temp: 45 °F
BP: 28.80 inHg
Altitude: 1120.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
22 846 40.36 21.48
21 848 40.55 21.53
20 847 40.45 21.51
19 863 42.00 21.91
18 867 42.39 22.01
17 869 42.58 22.06
16 878 43.47 22.29
15 876 43.27 22.24
14 862 41.90 21.89
13 860 41.70 21.84
12 863 42.00 21.91
11 863 42.00 21.91
10 860 41.70 21.84
9 860 41.70 21.84
8 861 41.80 21.86
7 858 41.51 21.78
6 866 42.29 21.99
5 864 42.09 21.94
4 851 40.84 21.61
3 852 40.93 21.63
2 852 40.93 21.63
1 845 40.26 21.45
Average: 859.6 FPS
SD: 9.1 FPS
Min: 845 FPS
Max: 878 FPS
Spread: 33 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.2
True MV: 860 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
22 shots over 40fpe from an unregulated .22 cal with stock transfer port. I'm not disappointed with that.
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And back to shooting the pellet that I'm likely to be using....
Tim sent me a .113 transfer port that he has specifically for an unregulated gun. Produced a pretty decent 40 shot string. Starting at 3000psi and ending at 1950psi.
Created: 01/22/17 06:06 PM
Description: Armada Hill valve/gauge block/hammer/spring .113 TP
Notes 1: JBS Jumbo Heavy
Notes 2: Hammer: .75
Distance to Chrono(FT): 1.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 18.13
Temp: 48 °F
BP: 27.80 inHg
Altitude: 1120.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
40 853 29.30 15.46
39 851 29.16 15.43
38 862 29.92 15.63
37 865 30.13 15.68
36 871 30.55 15.79
35 880 31.18 15.95
34 877 30.97 15.90
33 884 31.46 16.03
32 890 31.89 16.14
31 889 31.82 16.12
30 899 32.54 16.30
29 899 32.54 16.30
28 901 32.69 16.34
27 907 33.12 16.44
26 900 32.61 16.32
25 901 32.69 16.34
24 899 32.54 16.30
23 895 32.25 16.23
22 899 32.54 16.30
21 903 32.83 16.37
20 905 32.98 16.41
19 899 32.54 16.30
18 908 33.20 16.46
17 903 32.83 16.37
16 907 33.12 16.44
15 897 32.40 16.26
14 906 33.05 16.43
13 901 32.69 16.34
12 903 32.83 16.37
11 880 31.18 15.95
10 897 32.40 16.26
9 895 32.25 16.23
8 893 32.11 16.19
7 889 31.82 16.12
6 886 31.61 16.06
5 877 30.97 15.90
4 872 30.62 15.81
3 870 30.48 15.77
2 861 29.85 15.61
1 865 30.13 15.68
Average: 888.5 FPS
SD: 16.2 FPS
Min: 851 FPS
Max: 908 FPS
Spread: 57 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.4
True MV: 889 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
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You got some nice power there, I am curious to see your results when you get your regulator.
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Terry-With those strings you're posting it doesn't look like a regulator is all that important! ;) Really nice!
Ed
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Terry-With those strings you're posting it doesn't look like a regulator is all that important! ;) Really nice!
Ed
Thanks Ed! Gotta tighten up the ES. All of this really doesn't mean much it's not consistently accurate. The smaller TP definitely helped it and I could reduced the fill level and the shot count and get some pretty good spreads for sure. I feel like the reg will do that and opening up the TP with the reg should make it more efficient. We will see once the s l o w boat from Lithuania gets here. ;D
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You got some nice power there, I am curious to see your results when you get your regulator.
Thanks Robert! Me too. It's been fun and I've learned a ton about how these guns function but I'm ready to get it all together and actually shoot it.
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Thought I'd show you guys how all of this is going down. The Hyskore vise enables me to easily and safely shoot it without taking it in and out of the stock. Makes all of this tuning so much easier. I'm also amazed by the bag of shredded rubber mulch in the cardboard box. It's stopped 1500+ pellets from 5 feet including those 40+fpe shots.
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Rubber mulch pellet traps work great and are quiet to boot. I made one that is 13x13x11 inches to hold 12" targets, and it stops my .22 shooting at 60fpe just fine. It has even stopped some slugs from a .357 Slayer too :) I originally made it to shoot targets on to be quiet vs the metal traps, but it stops stuff better than I would have expected, so that is an added benefit. I did all my high power(50-60fpe) tuning for my .22 with the trap indoors about 4ft from the gun, and I've never had so much as a dent in the wood in the back the trap. I've collected about 15 or 16 pounds of pellets out of mine so far, haha.
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Rubber mulch pellet traps work great and are quiet to boot. I made one that is 13x13x11 inches to hold 12" targets, and it stops my .22 shooting at 60fpe just fine. It has even stopped some slugs from a .357 Slayer too :) I originally made it to shoot targets on to be quiet vs the metal traps, but it stops stuff better than I would have expected, so that is an added benefit. I did all my high power(50-60fpe) tuning for my .22 with the trap indoors about 4ft from the gun, and I've never had so much as a dent in the wood in the back the trap. I've collected about 15 or 16 pounds of pellets out of mine so far, haha.
Hey Donny. I was/am dumbfounded over how well it works. I'm eventually going to build a nice box so I can ditch the cardboard box. I literally just threw the bag in the box and started shooting. lol...
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Hi Terry ! I've been following your posts here on the Armada.....Very interesting ! Good luck with the Mod's on it. Best Regards - Tom
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Hi Terry ! I've been following your posts here on the Armada.....Very interesting ! Good luck with the Mod's on it. Best Regards - Tom
Hi Tom! Thanks for following along.
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It is Quite a Journey that you are on Terry...Think of all the Knowledge that you have picked up along the way. It is so Remarkable how Helpful other Forum Members can be. My Best Regards - Tom
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Me thinks I'm a bit jealous of your work area.......:)
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Me thinks I'm a bit jealous of your work area.......:)
Thanks Dave! I am blessed much more than I deserve. The shop has taken on a life of itself. We built it 23 years ago when we bought the house. Been working on it and in it ever since. 2/3 wood working/general whatever. 1/3 automotive and metal working.
30x40 with 10' ceiling...
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Wood working side...
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Automotive and metal working area...
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Bazillion more shop pics in my Flickr album if you want to see more...
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Betting your on Garage Journal? LOL
Nice shop & garden!
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Betting your on Garage Journal? LOL
Nice shop & garden!
Betting you are right, Mike. ;D
BTW...got shipping notice on the AR grip this morning. 8)
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Betting your on Garage Journal? LOL
Nice shop & garden!
Having a feeling you're going to really like that grip!
Have you read about the RAW trigger blade swap for the mrod/armada?
Link: http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=101394.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=101394.0)
Feels nice with that grip!
I can spot fellow GJ members....can always tell by our shops.
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Betting your on Garage Journal? LOL
Nice shop & garden!
Having a feeling you're going to really like that grip!
Have you read about the RAW trigger blade swap for the mrod/armada?
Link: http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=101394.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=101394.0)
Feels nice with that grip!
I can spot fellow GJ members....can always tell by our shops.
Ha!!! Birds of a feather and all of that. Thanks for helping me spend my kids inheritance. I'll have to be having one of those triggers.
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That's a beautiful garage!! And you keep it clean I'd have projects everywhere lol can't wait til you get the reg real interested to see how it all turns out
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That's a beautiful garage!! And you keep it clean I'd have projects everywhere lol can't wait til you get the reg real interested to see how it all turns out
Thanks Dillon! The whole clean shop deal is a disease. I like a place for everything and everything in it's place. Problem is when I have multiple projects going it gets where you can't walk thru it and every horizontal surface has something piled on it. lol...
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Terry: As I have said before....Outstanding Work Shop !!! From the looks of things, you Know the $nap-On Guy Really Well. My Best Regards - Tom Edit: P.S. Looks like Colson Ca$ters on your welding table too!
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Terry: As I have said before....Outstanding Work Shop !!! From the looks of things, you Know the $nap-On Guy Really Well. My Best Regards - Tom
Thanks Tom. Those boxes have plenty of $nap On in them but 2 of those boxes are Harbor Freight specials. ;D
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So considering how poor the finish is on the shroud and air reservoir, I've been thinking about doing this and I was bored tonight so....
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Added a touch on the scope just because...
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I kinda like it.
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I like the sounds of that pellet trap. Or the lack there of. I went and bought some rubber mulch today and hopefully the weather clears up here for tomorrow so I can build I little trap to put it in. Unfortunately my shop is outside with a couple lead cords. By the way the gun is coming along nice. It looks good and the stings look sweet.
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I like the sounds of that pellet trap. Or the lack there of. I went and bought some rubber mulch today and hopefully the weather clears up here for tomorrow so I can build I little trap to put it in. Unfortunately my shop is outside with a couple lead cords. By the way the gun is coming along nice. It looks good and the stings look sweet.
Thanks Tom! The rubber mulch deal is beyond cool. I would have never dreamed it but it works fantastic.
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Hey Terry!! I hope you are not bored very often... It will cost you a fortune... LOL Nice looking rifle my friend.. It is a reflection of what your attention to détails is..
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Terry you are going to have to redo the scope shade, the pattern does not match the shroud :o
Actually Terry I am kidding , your rifle looks better everytime I see it.
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Terry you are going to have to redo the scope shade, the pattern does not match the shroud :o
Actually Terry I am kidding , your rifle looks better everytime I see it.
You win. I was wondering who was going to be the one to notice it. :o
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Hey Terry!! I hope you are not bored very often... It will cost you a fortune... LOL Nice looking rifle my friend.. It is a reflection of what your attention to détails is..
Thanks Alain! I don't have to be bored to buy whatever. Lol ... The 1'x 5' carbon fiber sheet was $9.98 on Amazon Prime. ;D I used about $3.67 worth on the gun.
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Very cool! I want one now! I love my Caldwell chrony!
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Terry: As I have said before....Outstanding Work Shop !!! From the looks of things, you Know the $nap-On Guy Really Well. My Best Regards - Tom
Thanks Tom. Those boxes have plenty of $nap On in them but 2 of those boxes are Harbor Freight specials. ;D
I have a rare Snap Off channel lock pliers , my fathers snap on guy gave him for a holiday gift back in the early 70's, I'll have to find it and take pics yo prove it , I know ;)
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Royal Arms AR target grip came today. Super nice piece. I love it!!
Link to the grip if anyone else just has to have it.
http://www.royalarms.com/shop/ar-1516-grip/ (http://www.royalarms.com/shop/ar-1516-grip/)
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That is a nice looking grip. It reminds me of my Volquartsen target grip on my Ruger Mark III.
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Geeze Terry, your rifle just keeps lookin' awesomer & awesomer! VERY cool! Not to mention that super awesome shop! ;D I'm most impressed! ;)
Ed
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That is a nice looking grip. It reminds me of my Volquartsen target grip on my Ruger Mark III.
Thanks Garry!! I check out those grips. They are similar. I do love the feel of the Royal Arms grip.
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Geeze Terry, your rifle just keeps lookin' awesomer & awesomer! VERY cool! Not to mention that super awesome shop! ;D I'm most impressed! ;)
Ed
Thanks Ed! I love the look of the stock Armada but of course can't ever leave well enough alone. If it's not pleasing to my eye then I have no interest in it. Function is absolutely necessary as well but pleasing form is also a requirement.
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Getting my fill station together...sort of. I need a 1/4"npt cross to enable me to cascade my 2 tanks but had to order it. I went ahead and got a 1/4"npt wye for now so at least I can use 1 tank. Tanks are supposed to be back from hydro on Monday.
Parts list for the main station..
SCBA hand tite adapter and inline bleeder from airtanksplus.com. $58 plus $8.50 shipping.
Glycerin filled 5k gauge and fittings from my local Parker store. $41.51 with tax.
Ninja microbore hose assy. $44.95 on Amazon Prime.
$152.96 total.
2nd tank station...
I'm using the SCBA hand tite that come with my tanks so $0 for that.
Ninja microbore hose assy. with an additional quick disconnect so the hose is removeable from both the tank and the main fill station. $44.95 + $11.95.
Local fitting. $4.68
$61.58 total.
I'll replace the wye with the cross when it comes to complete the cascade fill station. Total cost: $224.54.
If you add a second hand tite from ATP it would bring the total to right about $260.00.
Bottom line is that I saved a few bucks by putting it together myself. Worth it? It was to me. I got a couple of features that I wanted that weren't available on the commercially available systems.
The Stickman with cascade is $249 plus shipping ($15.00?) but doesn't have a glycerin filled gauge. I did like that the hose for the 2nd tank is separate from the main station.
JoeB's cascade station is $273.50 with shipping. Has a nice gauge but the 2nd hose is attached to the main so would have to buy quick disconnects etc...
Bottom line is if you like one of the commercially available systems you might as well just buy one and skip the head scratching and the shopping.
Main station with the wye instead of the cross that's on order.
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This was my idea for the 2nd tank. It's just the hand tite with a 14/" x 1/8" bushing with one of the male fosters from the Ninja microbore hoses. Should be super simple to fill the tanks with this setup.
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The cascade line will plug onto a quick disconnect thusly when I eventually get the cross. Should made the station much less bulky when just using one tank.
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Once you go to the cross and add the female QD, get a dead head so you don't have to have the cascade line hooked up. Dead heads are good for testing for leaks, as well. Maybe you already have one.
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Once you go to the cross and add the female QD, get a dead head so you don't have to have the cascade line hooked up. Dead heads are good for testing for leaks, as well. Maybe you already have one.
Hi john. I totally forgot about that. I have a dead head to plug the QC that I got from Air Tanks Plus that has a lanyard on it so maybe I won't lose it.
I'll blame it on the Tramadol. I cut 2 fingers pretty badly at work and I'm under the influence. ;D
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And today was the day that all these shot strings just got easier. ;D Tanks came back from hydro and the last pieces for my cascade fill station also came in. I'll be at the paintball store on Saturday morning getting them filled and them lots 'o shootin' to follow. Little secret also. I bought a used Prod that's being delivered tomorrow. I know, I know. I got it bad.
Nice to get these tank goodies out of the box and on the tanks. I bought some boots but they are WAY too big for these tanks so I'm stumped on the right boots. Any help or links greatly appreciated.
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1/4" cross also came so home brew fill station is complete.
The main station...
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And add the cascade station with the quick disconnect...
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And the completed system...
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I'm super happy with how this all turned out. Especially since everything was less than $600 all in.
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Looks like you have all the stuff you need for easy filling Terry, just when the new muscles were forming. ;D
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Looks like you have all the stuff you need for easy filling Terry, just when the new muscles were forming. ;D
Ha! Just when the old, tired muscles were sore. ;D
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You bought a Prod? Lol you got it bad!! ;D welcome to us addicts! Your tank setup looks nice as well
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Congrats on the prod and fill set up. Hope you saved some money for pellets. You got it BAD is right. Welcome to the club .
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You bought a Prod? Lol you got it bad!! ;D welcome to us addicts! Your tank setup looks nice as well
Thanks Dillon! Found a Prod for $200 with scope, bipod etc... Considering what I know that I'll do with it and to it, really didn't make sense to buy a new one but for $200 I couldn't help myself. :o
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Congrats on the prod and fill set up. Hope you saved some money for pellets. You got it BAD is right. Welcome to the club .
Thanks Denis! Resistance was futile. ;D
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Congrats on the prod and fill set up. Hope you saved some money for pellets. You got it BAD is right. Welcome to the club .
Thanks Denis! Resistance was futile. ;D
WOW !...LOOKING REAL GOOD ! - there Terry My Best Regards - Tom
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Looking really good Terry! Just wait, that 1st gun fill with a new tank set up after all the hand pumping is so satisfying. Good pick up on the Prod as well, can't wait to see what you do with it.
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Got my cylinders filled today. Oh. My. Gosh. What a pleasure it is to just turn the knob and watch it go right up to 3000psi!!! Obviously I had to shoot the Amada even though it was cold and windy. 38 degrees with 15mph wind. I was shooting in my hoodie and gloves off the bipod. Chair Gun's recommended optimum distance is 41 yards so I setup at that distance. I zeroed the scope and shot some groups. Even though lots have had issues with these .22 barrels, I'm quite pleased with mine. The Armada loves the JSB 18.13's. I shot the H&N 21.14's as well but those groups were not as good as these with the JSB's. This is the tune that gave me 44 shots over 30fpe. As a total PCP newbie I have a hard time not being happy with these groups.
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I've also had the RAW trigger for a couple of weeks but hadn't got it installed. It's a drop in replacement once the pivot hole is resized to match the pin in the Armada trigger group. The shape and reach is much more comfortable especially with the Royal Arms target grip. I defused the lawyer spring while I was in there.
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I also added the UTG tactical fore grip on a pic rail. I kinda like it.
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The regulator finally made a reappearance in Chicago after 18 days with no new tracking information. Beats me but apparently it's on the way here now. Once I have it in my hand then I'll drill the barrel, add the .160 TP along with a couple of other goodies that I have.
More to come....
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I told you so. That first fill with a tank after hand pumping for a while is quite a joy.
How far away were the targets set out, 41yds? Never mind, I read again.
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You still haven't got your regulator?! I ordered mine like week and a half after you and got almost two weeks ago! First tune on my .25 at 800ish fps from 3000 to 1350 psi was 64 shots. ES 25, SD 5. Talked to Tim and he gave me some tips to try to get better results.
Good luck with yours.
Shawn
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You still haven't got your regulator?! I ordered mine like week and a half after you and got almost two weeks ago! First tune on my .25 at 800ish fps from 3000 to 1350 psi was 64 shots. ES 25, SD 5. Talked to Tim and he gave me some tips to try to get better results.
Good luck with yours.
Shawn
Hi Shawn. The reg is still not here. ::) I thought for sure that it was lost forever but miraculously after 18 days with no update after it got to Chicago it showed up in Chicago again. Beats me. Now the tracking says that it departed the Chicago PO yesterday and it's in transit. I had already contacted the seller and he told me that sometimes they get stuck in Chicago for whatever reason. Been over a month now. Will be nice to finally get it in the gun!!!
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Not gonna lie I'd be pretty happy with those groups on a Crosman .22 barrel! Looks like it's a shooter and in wind heck you got a good one! Can't wait to.see your results with the reg when you finally do get it
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You still haven't got your regulator?! I ordered mine like week and a half after you and got almost two weeks ago! First tune on my .25 at 800ish fps from 3000 to 1350 psi was 64 shots. ES 25, SD 5. Talked to Tim and he gave me some tips to try to get better results.
Good luck with yours.
Shawn
Hi Shawn. The reg is still not here. ::) I thought for sure that it was lost forever but miraculously after 18 days with no update after it got to Chicago it showed up in Chicago again. Beats me. Now the tracking says that it departed the Chicago PO yesterday and it's in transit. I had already contacted the seller and he told me that sometimes they get stuck in Chicago for whatever reason. Been over a month now. Will be nice to finally get it in the gun!!!
That's crazy! After you said how long you had been waiting, I thought mine would take forever but it was here in central Illinois in less than two weeks.
You will happy with the results, like I said I'm getting 64 shots at 36 fpe with a .25 on a first rough tune. You should a ton of shots out of a .22! ;D
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Not gonna lie I'd be pretty happy with those groups on a Crosman .22 barrel! Looks like it's a shooter and in wind heck you got a good one! Can't wait to.see your results with the reg when you finally do get it
Thanks Dillon! It's fun to shoot decent groups like those in the cold and wind especially. I'm going to work on the Prod this week to keep my mind off the reg. lol... Surely it'll be here by next weekend.
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You still haven't got your regulator?! I ordered mine like week and a half after you and got almost two weeks ago! First tune on my .25 at 800ish fps from 3000 to 1350 psi was 64 shots. ES 25, SD 5. Talked to Tim and he gave me some tips to try to get better results.
Good luck with yours.
Shawn
Hi Shawn. The reg is still not here. ::) I thought for sure that it was lost forever but miraculously after 18 days with no update after it got to Chicago it showed up in Chicago again. Beats me. Now the tracking says that it departed the Chicago PO yesterday and it's in transit. I had already contacted the seller and he told me that sometimes they get stuck in Chicago for whatever reason. Been over a month now. Will be nice to finally get it in the gun!!!
That's crazy! After you said how long you had been waiting, I thought mine would take forever but it was here in central Illinois in less than two weeks.
You will happy with the results, like I said I'm getting 64 shots at 36 fpe with a .25 on a first rough tune. You should a ton of shots out of a .22! ;D
I'm pretty darn happy with it right now so assuming the reg does what I think it's going to do it should be cool.
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Still sitting here waiting on the regulator. Thought I'd share the most ridiculous tracking string I have ever seen. The reg has been in Chicago going from one facility to the next for 3 weeks. ::)
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Shipment Activity Location Date & Time With Partner
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Arrived at USPS Facility CHICAGO METRO HUB February 7, 2017 1:56 am
In Transit to Destination February 6, 2017 1:43 pm
Departed USPS Facility CHICAGO, IL 60701 February 5, 2017 1:43 pm
In Transit to Destination February 3, 2017 8:30 am
Arrived at USPS Facility CHICAGO, IL 60701 February 2, 2017 1:11 am
Processed Through Facility ISC CHICAGO IL (USPS) January 18, 2017 3:20 pm
Processed Through Facility VILNIUS PASTO PERVEZIMO CENTRAS, LITHUANIA January 7, 2017 4:56 pm
Origin Post is Preparing Shipment
Acceptance LITHUANIA January 5, 2017 1:00 pm
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All international mail has to come in through an ISC. It is there that it might be checked for customs. It would usually go next to a neighboring sorting center, where it would be sent to the destinating sorting facility near you. I can't tell you why it is hopping around Chicago, but international mail in general, the barcodes and labeling cause more issues for the scanners and recognition s/w, than domestic mail.
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All international mail has to come in through an ISC. It is there that it might be checked for customs. It would usually go next to a neighboring sorting center, where it would be sent to the destinating sorting facility near you. I can't tell you why it is hopping around Chicago, but international mail in general, the barcodes and labeling cause more issues for the scanners and recognition s/w, than domestic mail.
ShawnIl ordered his a week and a half after I did and already has it and he lives in Il!! :o I think the PO hates me. ;D
Newest tracking now says that it's left a Chicago USPS facility again some more...
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Departed USPS Facility CHICAGO METRO HUB February 7, 2017 6:48 am
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Sorry your regulator is being held captive by USPS. :(
Hopefully you'll receive the parts you bought from me ASAP. :)
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Sorry your regulator is being held captive by USPS. :(
Hopefully you'll receive the parts you bought from me ASAP. :)
Not a fan of the USPS at this moment. There's still not even a projected delivery date. ::)
Your package on the other hand, says that it'll be here Thursday. ;D Thanks again!!
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Sorry your regulator is being held captive by USPS. :(
Hopefully you'll receive the parts you bought from me ASAP. :)
Not a fan of the USPS at this moment. There's still not even a projected delivery date. ::)
Your package on the other hand, says that it'll be here Thursday. ;D Thanks again!!
Gee Terry... I was just setting here thinking.... if you had shipped your Reg to Shawn's place with his shipment, then drove (non stop to Illinois and back) to pick it up.....you would have had it much quicker than this it taking ! Wow what a Hassle ! Best Wishes - Tom Wood
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Terry it took six weeks to get my Huma reg directly from Huma, I hope you get your reg soon.
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Terry USPS lets me know the package was delivered the day after here lol. think you'll have it in your hands before they know it ;)
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Terry USPS lets me know the package was delivered the day after here lol. think you'll have it in your hands before they know it ;)
Hahaha...I've had that to. They are certainly a prime example of efficiency for the rest of us to follow.
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Terry it took six weeks to get my Huma reg directly from Huma, I hope you get your reg soon.
We're just about that same time frame with this one but still no clue when it will be here. I'm sure it'll be good once I get it.
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Terry in the past couple of years there has been packages delivered to my house by mistake a couple times, I ended up know the people the one package went to and brought it to them and the other I had to run down the mailman one day and give it to him. Some reason in the past several years USPS has really gotten terrible, and I even see them working on Sundays now, if that ain't bass ackwards I don't know what is.
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Sorry your regulator is being held captive by USPS. :(
Hopefully you'll receive the parts you bought from me ASAP. :)
Not a fan of the USPS at this moment. There's still not even a projected delivery date. ::)
Your package on the other hand, says that it'll be here Thursday. ;D Thanks again!!
Gee Terry... I was just setting here thinking.... if you had shipped your Reg to Shawn's place with his shipment, then drove (non stop to Illinois and back) to pick it up.....you would have had it much quicker than this it taking ! Wow what a Hassle ! Best Wishes - Tom Wood
Lol... yup. Perhaps next time I'll have it shipped to Shawn and then he can ship it to me. I find it difficult to believe that it could possibly be any slower.
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Terry in the past couple of years there has been packages delivered to my house by mistake a couple times, I ended up know the people the one package went to and brought it to them and the other I had to run down the mailman one day and give it to him. Some reason in the past several years USPS has really gotten terrible, and I even see them working on Sundays now, if that ain't bass ackwards I don't know what is.
Agree Wayne. There is a business in the town next to me that has a very similar address as our house. I constantly get their mail. I make it and put it back in the box yet I have never once gotten a piece of mail that they received in error. I talked to the PO and they told me that it is all sorted at the same place. Fairly often we all have to trade each others mail on our street because it was in someone else's box. Go figure. Think the entire Sunday deal is all about the Amazon contract. Order on Friday night and get it on Sunday. :o
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Sorry your regulator is being held captive by USPS. :(
Hopefully you'll receive the parts you bought from me ASAP. :)
Not a fan of the USPS at this moment. There's still not even a projected delivery date. ::)
Your package on the other hand, says that it'll be here Thursday. ;D Thanks again!!
Gee Terry... I was just setting here thinking.... if you had shipped your Reg to Shawn's place with his shipment, then drove (non stop to Illinois and back) to pick it up.....you would have had it much quicker than this it taking ! Wow what a Hassle ! Best Wishes - Tom Wood
Lol... yup. Perhaps next time I'll have it shipped to Shawn and then he can ship it to me. I find it difficult to believe that it could possibly be any slower.
Hey Terry, do you want me to order another one and send it to you? You may get it before that one shows up. :o
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Sorry your regulator is being held captive by USPS. :(
Hopefully you'll receive the parts you bought from me ASAP. :)
Not a fan of the USPS at this moment. There's still not even a projected delivery date. ::)
Your package on the other hand, says that it'll be here Thursday. ;D Thanks again!!
Gee Terry... I was just setting here thinking.... if you had shipped your Reg to Shawn's place with his shipment, then drove (non stop to Illinois and back) to pick it up.....you would have had it much quicker than this it taking ! Wow what a Hassle ! Best Wishes - Tom Wood
Lol... yup. Perhaps next time I'll have it shipped to Shawn and then he can ship it to me. I find it difficult to believe that it could possibly be any slower.
Hey Terry, do you want me to order another one and send it to you? You may get it before that one shows up. :o
Lol...if I need another that may be a real possibility. Guess I'll just wait this one out. ::)
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I'm not sure that I believe it but just got notice that the reg arrived at the PO in Little Rock. 8)
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I'm not sure that I believe it but just got notice that the reg arrived at the PO in Little Rock. 8)
.Terry.. Don't count your horses until the chickens are hatched. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? Ah.. er.. I mean..don't get the horse ahead of the Dodge Power Wagon. ? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? WELL I GUESS WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS...Best Wishes and Good Luck Terry because You Sure Deserve It. - Tom Wood
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I'm not sure that I believe it but just got notice that the reg arrived at the PO in Little Rock. 8)
.Terry.. Don't count your horses until the chickens are hatched. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? Ah.. er.. I mean..don't get the horse ahead of the Dodge Power Wagon. ? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? WELL I GUESS WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS...Best Wishes and Good Luck Terry because You Sure Deserve It. - Tom Wood
The way this has gone, I'm not counting on anything just yet, Tom!!
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Lol...woke up to this tracking this morning. There is obviously something up with the tracking or the address or something. This little package sure does leave and arrive at the same place a lot. :o
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Shipment Activity Location Date & Time With Partner
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Departed USPS Facility LITTLE ROCK, AR 72231 February 8, 2017 3:19 am
Arrived at USPS Facility LITTLE ROCK, AR 72231 February 8, 2017 1:10 am
Departed USPS Facility LITTLE ROCK, AR 72206 February 8, 2017 12:42 am
Arrived at USPS Facility LITTLE ROCK, AR 72206 February 7, 2017 9:48 pm
Arrived at USPS Facility LITTLE ROCK, AR 72231 February 7, 2017 7:43 pm
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Wow, that's crazy Terry! :o ::) :-\ Sure hope you get it sometime this year. I've had packages make crazy trips compliments of USPS but yours takes the cake! Uhhh, when I'm ready I think I'll be ordering a Huma from Trenier....... ;)
Ed
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Wow, that's crazy Terry! :o ::) :-\ Sure hope you get it sometime this year. I've had packages make crazy trips compliments of USPS but yours takes the cake! Uhhh, when I'm ready I think I'll be ordering a Huma from Trenier....... ;)
Ed
Hi Ed. At least it's been more exciting than watching tracking normally is. lol...
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It's a miracle!!! The reg is here.
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Congrats Terry.
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Congrats Terry.
Thanks Robert!!
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GOOD NEWS TERRY !!!! :) :) :) ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8) Best Wishes - Tom
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Glad it finally hit your place Terry..
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It's a miracle!!! The reg is here.
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(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2828/31996660513_bc8803f2f4_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QKrfqz)
HOORAY!!! Did it show up with the package covered in little stickers from all the many places it journeyed to?
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It's a miracle!!! The reg is here.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/352/31996328423_11fa7114b8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QKpxGT)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2828/31996660513_bc8803f2f4_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QKrfqz)
HOORAY!!! Did it show up with the package covered in little stickers from all the many places it journeyed to?
Yes. It looks like Charlie Sheen's luggage.
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Interesting, that doesn't look at all like my regulator......
Looking for results when you get her all together...
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Interesting, that doesn't look at all like my regulator......
Looking for results when you get her all together...
I think the Audrius guys march to a little different beat on their regulators. I plan on installing it tomorrow so we will see.
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Interesting, that doesn't look at all like my regulator......
Looking for results when you get her all together...
Offhand, it looks nearly the same as the two Audrious regs I have/had. I recently sold one. Here is a pic:
(http://joefish.homestead.com/IMG_0096.JPG)
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Interesting, that doesn't look at all like my regulator......
Looking for results when you get her all together...
Offhand, it looks nearly the same as the two Audrious regs I have/had. I recently sold one. Here is a pic:
(http://joefish.homestead.com/IMG_0096.JPG)
That's the one.
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Terry, did you do a lot of research on regulators before selecting yours? I know you said the Audrious is what Tim Hill recommended, but I am curious if that was the only reason for your reg selection. Did you have to drill a vent hole with this model? If I did go the regulated route, I am not sure which regulator brand would be the best choice for my .22. I'm thinking the HUMA with the .25 cal plenum might be a good choice, but I really have no clue in regards to longevity or maintenance and ease of use. Maybe one is less likely to creep than others or have less parts to fail idk.
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Terry, did you do a lot of research on regulators before selecting yours? I know you said the Audrious is what Tim Hill recommended, but I am curious if that was the only reason for your reg selection. Did you have to drill a vent hole with this model? If I did go the regulated route, I am not sure which regulator brand would be the best choice for my .22. I'm thinking the HUMA with the .25 cal plenum might be a good choice, but I really have no clue in regards to longevity or maintenance and ease of use. Maybe one is less likely to creep than others or have less parts to fail idk.
I bought it solely on Tim's recommendation. Did't hurt that is was much cheaper than any of the others. It vents through the gauge hole. You remove the gauge block O ring closest to the muzzle.
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Keith,
FWIW: The audrious with an open gauge block has a larger plenum than the 25 cal Huma. It is probably larger than needed in a 22 cal. That is not impacting Terry much, because he is using Hill valve and other parts, his set-point on the reg is quite low, and still getting the 30FPE.
The huma cost a little more, but is less if you consider not have to buy an open gauge block. You can also DIY a gauge block, though. The huma shipping time is slightly less than audrious, I mean the "normal" shipping time, not the special one that Terry got. :D
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Keith,
FWIW: The audrious with an open gauge block has a larger plenum than the 25 cal Huma. It is probably larger than needed in a 22 cal. That is not impacting Terry much, because he is using Hill valve and other parts, his set-point on the reg is quite low, and still getting the 30FPE.
The huma cost a little more, but is less if you consider not have to buy an open gauge block. You can also DIY a gauge block, though. The huma shipping time is slightly less than audrious, I mean the "normal" shipping time, not the special one that Terry got. :D
I think the Audrius is still cheaper even with the gauge block but not by a lot. If I decide to reg the .25 I'll likely buy another one. Hopefully I won't get the special shipping next time.
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Took time yesterday to disassemble the Armada and continue the mods. I drilled the barrel to .161 and installed the Hill .161 transfer port. The Hill valve already has a .161 exhaust port. I also modded the air stripper and installed the Auduris reg. I left it set at 120 bar (1740psi) even though my initial thought was that would be too low. Much to my surprise it was the exact opposite. Ended up turning it down to 1350psi. Here is that string. Still more tuning coming up but a pretty good start. This is with the WAR TSS with both springs zeroed. 45 shots with a spread of 17 and ES of 1.93. I'm amazed that it will make this much power with the reg set at 1350psi and zero preload on the hammer.
Created: 02/11/17 09:26 PM
Description: .22 Armada
Notes 1: TSS: TSS outer: 0 Long inner: 0 Striker: 0
Notes 2: Reg: 1350psi Fill: 3100
Distance to Chrono(FT): 1.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 18.13
Temp: 67 °F
BP: 29.89 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
45 860 29.78 15.59
44 863 29.99 15.65
43 872 30.62 15.81
42 875 30.83 15.86
41 869 30.41 15.75
40 873 30.69 15.83
39 862 29.92 15.63
38 867 30.27 15.72
37 870 30.48 15.77
36 872 30.62 15.81
35 861 29.85 15.61
34 868 30.34 15.74
33 874 30.76 15.85
32 871 30.55 15.79
31 868 30.34 15.74
30 872 30.62 15.81
29 873 30.69 15.83
28 871 30.55 15.79
27 871 30.55 15.79
26 866 30.20 15.70
25 869 30.41 15.75
24 868 30.34 15.74
23 867 30.27 15.72
22 866 30.20 15.70
21 867 30.27 15.72
20 868 30.34 15.74
19 870 30.48 15.77
18 874 30.76 15.85
17 871 30.55 15.79
16 875 30.83 15.86
15 875 30.83 15.86
14 872 30.62 15.81
13 872 30.62 15.81
12 877 30.97 15.90
11 870 30.48 15.77
10 872 30.62 15.81
9 877 30.97 15.90
8 876 30.90 15.88
7 873 30.69 15.83
6 872 30.62 15.81
5 865 30.13 15.68
4 865 30.13 15.68
3 870 30.48 15.77
2 864 30.06 15.66
1 860 29.78 15.59
Average: 869.6 FPS
SD: 4.4 FPS
Min: 860 FPS
Max: 877 FPS
Spread: 17 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.3
True MV: 870 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
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Great string! That is why opening everything up is beneficial even if you aren't trying to make big power. It allows you to run a lower reg set point :)
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Great string! That is why opening everything up is beneficial even if you aren't trying to make big power. It allows you to run a lower reg set point :)
Yes sir!! I'm going to tune a bit more tonight. After I experiment with some more spring combo's I might even turn the reg lower just to see how far the string can go.
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Just keep in mind that a reg set point that is too low may make the velocity you want, but it can also waste air. That is because the pressure leaning on the valve helping to close it is less, so the valve will stay open longer and waste air. I'd even be willing to be that you will be able to raise your regulator set point 10-20 bar and get more shots.
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Fantastic tune you got going there Terry really nice string.
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Changes tonight were to remove the factory striker from the Hill light weight hammer and reinstall the flush striker that came with it. Result is a flat faced hammer that weighs 20g. Installed the stock hammer spring along with the long inner spring in the TSS. No preload. Free flight as per Travis's video.
ES is a little higher than I had hoped for @ 2.28 but hard to be disappointed with 63 shots @ 30fpe on a 3000 psi fill.
Created: 02/12/17 06:27 PM
Description: .22 Armada Audrius reg @ 1350psi
Notes 1: TSS Stock outer. Long inner. No preload.
Notes 2: JSB 18.13 3000 psi fill
Distance to Chrono(FT): 1.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 18.13
Temp: 52 °F
BP: 30.38 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
63 857 29.57 15.54
62 862 29.92 15.63
61 858 29.64 15.56
60 856 29.50 15.52
59 862 29.92 15.63
58 860 29.78 15.59
57 867 30.27 15.72
56 862 29.92 15.63
55 861 29.85 15.61
54 869 30.41 15.75
53 865 30.13 15.68
52 867 30.27 15.72
51 865 30.13 15.68
50 863 29.99 15.65
49 866 30.20 15.70
48 868 30.34 15.74
47 865 30.13 15.68
46 861 29.85 15.61
45 867 30.27 15.72
44 856 29.50 15.52
43 863 29.99 15.65
42 861 29.85 15.61
41 869 30.41 15.75
40 873 30.69 15.83
39 876 30.90 15.88
38 860 29.78 15.59
37 871 30.55 15.79
36 864 30.06 15.66
35 869 30.41 15.75
34 863 29.99 15.65
33 868 30.34 15.74
32 858 29.64 15.56
31 863 29.99 15.65
30 867 30.27 15.72
29 867 30.27 15.72
28 874 30.76 15.85
27 868 30.34 15.74
26 870 30.48 15.77
25 867 30.27 15.72
24 867 30.27 15.72
23 859 29.71 15.57
22 864 30.06 15.66
21 866 30.20 15.70
20 865 30.13 15.68
19 866 30.20 15.70
18 873 30.69 15.83
17 873 30.69 15.83
16 874 30.76 15.85
15 876 30.90 15.88
14 875 30.83 15.86
13 870 30.48 15.77
12 869 30.41 15.75
11 865 30.13 15.68
10 865 30.13 15.68
9 869 30.41 15.75
8 875 30.83 15.86
7 866 30.20 15.70
6 865 30.13 15.68
5 863 29.99 15.65
4 864 30.06 15.66
3 862 29.92 15.63
2 861 29.85 15.61
1 860 29.78 15.59
Average: 865.7 FPS
SD: 5.0 FPS
Min: 856 FPS
Max: 876 FPS
Spread: 20 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.2
True MV: 866 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
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Simply Amazing Terry! :o Way to go, errrr.....tune!
Ignorant question. What the heck is PF? ???
Ed
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Simply Amazing Terry! :o Way to go, errrr.....tune!
Ignorant question. What the heck is PF? ???
Ed
Thanks Ed! Pf is power factor. Another way to measure the moment/velocity of a projectile.
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That is a darn solid tune right there Terry! Nice work! You can't really ask for much more than that :)
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That is a darn solid tune right there Terry! Nice work! You can't really ask for much more than that :)
Thank you, Donnie! I think that is probably as good as I can tune it. I shot another tin of pellets trying different springs and very minute adjustments to the primary but could not improve on it. I just have less air and pellets now. ;D
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63 @ 30 that's awesome! That's a very nice tune you set up there Terry.
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That string is a long way from when you started with it Terry, very nice string indeed!
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Do we hear 70? :D Nice work Terry.
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Do we hear 70? :D Nice work Terry.
Thank you, John. Couldn't imagine 70 but I couldn't imagine 60 before last night either. :o Apparently I stumbled onto the perfect reg setting. I still can't get my head around the physics of how all of this is possible at 1350psi. I've triple checked the gun gauge vs the fill station gauge and it truly is 1350psi. At higher pressures the gauge on the gun does not match the 5000psi Noshok glycerin filled gauge on the fill station that I trust much more. 3000psi on the fill station equaled 3200psi on the gun gauge before I installed the reg but both gauges match perfectly at the lower pressure.
One thing I did that made a big difference and allowed those last few shots was to really take my time filling the gun. When I started filling with the SCBA cylinders I noticed that even if I filled very slowly the gun would loose about 200psi or more when I let it set for a few minutes. I could then top it off and wait again. Might take a couple of times for it to stay put at 3000psi. Doubt most people actually have the fill pressure that they think they do unless they are doing the same.
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That string is a long way from when you started with it Terry, very nice string indeed!
Thank you, Wayne! Yes it is a long way from where I started. What a learning experience this has been! 100% of this can be attributed to GTA and Marauder forum posts and the advice of Tim Hill and others here.
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63 @ 30 that's awesome! That's a very nice tune you set up there Terry.
Thanks Ken! I was both amazed and very pleased with the results. No one was/is more surprised than me. :o
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Very impressive tune Terry. I'm pretty sure the hats the best shot count at modest power I've seen from a marauder . Well done. 8)
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Very impressive tune Terry. I'm pretty sure the hats the best shot count at modest power I've seen from a marauder . Well done. 8)
Thank you, Denis!
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The reg-master Scott (motorhead) has a thread here on GTA where he reg'ed a 22 Mrod. He got 50 shots at 30FPE, but that was the days before SSG and TSS. His set-point was around 1800psi. Again, good work.
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The reg-master Scott (motorhead) has a thread here on GTA where he reg'ed a 22 Mrod. He got 50 shots at 30FPE, but that was the days before SSG and TSS. His set-point was around 1800psi. Again, good work.
Thanks John! Some days dogged determination is a blessing, some days a curse. ;D :o
I feel like those extra shots are attributed mostly to the TSS. I'm not done experimenting with single springs just yet but I'd be very surprised if there was improvement over the current performance level.
1800psi seems much more reasonable as a set point and was right about where the reg was set initially but was obviously way too hot for how my gun is set up.
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I don't see where you posted the ending pressure after the strings. I am thinking the 63 shot string maybe using more than 1000 psi. However, I have been able to do a number of 60 shot strings unregulated with a 1000 psi, but not at 2% ES. With the regulator you can fill a little higher and still be somewhat safe.
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I don't see where you posted the ending pressure after the strings. I am thinking the 63 shot string maybe using more than 1000 psi. However, I have been able to do a number of 60 shot strings unregulated with a 1000 psi, but not at 2% ES. With the regulator you can fill a little higher and still be somewhat safe.
Ending pressure was 1300. Guessing there was only 1or 2 shots off the reg. In further testing I see that the fps drops off virtually immediately once the gun gets off the reg.
Also, using the Airgun Calculator it works out to 1.42 efficiency. 27psi per shot using 190cc for the air res.
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I think you can get more out of it Terry. I'm still tweaking my .25 Mrod, but I have gotten 64 shots at 36 FPE from 3000 down to 1350 psi. ES was 20, SD 5, Reg set at 1900. I am still playing with reg setting.
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I think you can get more out of it Terry. I'm still tweaking my .25 Mrod, but I have gotten 64 shots at 36 FPE from 3000 down to 1350 psi. ES was 20, SD 5, Reg set at 1900. I am still playing with reg setting.
I will agree with that. 1700psi for 63 shots works out to 26.98 psi per shot. Unregulated, I get anywhere from 18 to 23 psi per shot typically.
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I think you can get more out of it Terry. I'm still tweaking my .25 Mrod, but I have gotten 64 shots at 36 FPE from 3000 down to 1350 psi. ES was 20, SD 5, Reg set at 1900. I am still playing with reg setting.
I will agree with that. 1700psi for 63 shots works out to 26.98 psi per shot. Unregulated, I get anywhere from 18 to 23 psi per shot typically.
I edited my post a few back after I ran the numbers in the AG calculator. 1.42 efficiency. 27psi per shot using 190cc for the air res is what I got. I'm clueless on what else to change. Tim is sending me lighter hammer springs to try but I don't really think that those are going to make much of a difference. The gun is very quiet. I don't hear any bounce but of course that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not there. I can't imagine that I need to turn the reg lower but maybe I do?? The fps drops like a rock as soon as it comes off the reg. Really want to maintain 30fpe. All of this is new to me so..... As always, suggestions are more than welcome.
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I think you can get more out of it Terry. I'm still tweaking my .25 Mrod, but I have gotten 64 shots at 36 FPE from 3000 down to 1350 psi. ES was 20, SD 5, Reg set at 1900. I am still playing with reg setting.
I will agree with that. 1700psi for 63 shots works out to 26.98 psi per shot. Unregulated, I get anywhere from 18 to 23 psi per shot typically.
I edited my post a few back after I ran the numbers in the AG calculator. 1.42 efficiency. 27psi per shot using 190cc for the air res is what I got. I'm clueless on what else to change. Tim is sending me lighter hammer springs to try but I don't really think that those are going to make much of a difference. The gun is very quiet. I don't hear any bounce but of course that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not there. I can't imagine that I need to turn the reg lower but maybe I do?? The fps drops like a rock as soon as it comes off the reg. Really want to maintain 30fpe. All of this is new to me so..... As always, suggestions are more than welcome.
63 shots at 30 FPE is awesome regardless of air used. I'm thinking there is an error in the PSI readings. You probably used less air than indicated.
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I think you can get more out of it Terry. I'm still tweaking my .25 Mrod, but I have gotten 64 shots at 36 FPE from 3000 down to 1350 psi. ES was 20, SD 5, Reg set at 1900. I am still playing with reg setting.
I will agree with that. 1700psi for 63 shots works out to 26.98 psi per shot. Unregulated, I get anywhere from 18 to 23 psi per shot typically.
I edited my post a few back after I ran the numbers in the AG calculator. 1.42 efficiency. 27psi per shot using 190cc for the air res is what I got. I'm clueless on what else to change. Tim is sending me lighter hammer springs to try but I don't really think that those are going to make much of a difference. The gun is very quiet. I don't hear any bounce but of course that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not there. I can't imagine that I need to turn the reg lower but maybe I do?? The fps drops like a rock as soon as it comes off the reg. Really want to maintain 30fpe. All of this is new to me so..... As always, suggestions are more than welcome.
63 shots at 30 FPE is awesome regardless of air used. I'm thinking there is an error in the PSI readings. You probably used less air than indicated.
Wish it was, Keith but I'm pretty confident in the numbers. I good with more experimenting. Need to order more pellets and get the tanks filled. 60+ shot strings are hard on consumables. :o The thing that I don't know is if it makes sense to leave the reg alone or make a change one way or the other.
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I'd probably leave that alone, but if you were to change it, I wouldn't go any lower. You have got to be on the ragged edge diminishing returns I'd think. I've been wrong before though :D
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I'd probably leave that alone, but if you were to change it, I wouldn't go any lower. You have got to be on the ragged edge diminishing returns I'd think. I've been wrong before though :D
That's my thought as well. Donnie. I can immediately tell the first shot off the reg because the fps falls significantly. I know that is not always the case so I diligently checked the gauge and sure enough. I feel like the reg is in the perfect place so if there is improvement to be made it just about has to be in the springs/spring adjustments unless there is something I am totally missing. I'm trying to read and learn as much as I can.
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I would agree with Donny. Your getting that many shots at 30 FPE at or very near 2% ES...The best string many here have seen. The important part is the accuracy at the set speed. If the pellets stack up at say 25 to 30 yards you have everything one could hope for in .22 cal. My stock barrel was picky with pellets and speed and I had better luck in the 850 fps range. You just have to play around with the most accurate pellet found and see if it gets better or worse or no change to really know how accurate it can get.
I found if I stuck with the same pellet I had better accuracy overall as the lead built up to match that one pellet type. I avoided heavy barrel cleanings and just used a bore snake with the brass bristles removed. That keep the barrel clean but not too clean.
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I would agree with Donny. Your getting that many shots at 30 FPE at or very near 2% ES...The best string many here have seen. The important part is the accuracy at the set speed. If the pellets stack up at say 25 to 30 yards you have everything one could hope for in .22 cal. My stock barrel was picky with pellets and speed and I had better luck in the 850 fps range. You just have to play around with the most accurate pellet found and see if it gets better or worse or no change to really know how accurate it can get.
I found if I stuck with the same pellet I had better accuracy overall as the lead built up to match that one pellet type. I avoided heavy barrel cleanings and just used a bore snake with the brass bristles removed. That keep the barrel clean but not too clean.
Back on page 8 are some groups that were shot at these same velocities or a bit higher using the JSB 18.13's. Multiple dime size groups @ 41 yards when the ES was more like 5. I feel like it should be as good or better now. I shot 50 yard groups Saturday before I put the reg in it in a 20-30mph wind that were bigger but not bad considering the conditions. I did shoot the 25.39 JSB's just for grins and to see it get over 40fpe but I've pretty much stuck with the JSB 18.13's once I saw how good it shot them at 30fpe.
I'm going to experiment a bit more with the lighter primary spring just because but doubt I'll go any father than that. I have a .25 cal Armada and some goodies for it from Tim Hill set for Wednesday delivery so..... ;D
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As I mentioned before, your plenum is probably bigger than needed. Now, your only option is removing the gauge block, but then the plenum is probably too small for 22 cal (Good for 177 though). I don't know if Audrious sells shorter reg sleeves. If you decide to reg your 25 cal, you could get the smaller plenum huma, and swap air tubes.
I know Scott tunes his such that as it comes off reg that there is a slight bump in fps before falling off. On his data he typically get a fair number of shots, still within Es after coming off reg.
Anyway, just some thoughts, on the other hand, after 60 shots a fill, you start wondering "Do I really need more?" ;)
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As I mentioned before, your plenum is probably bigger than needed. Now, your only option is removing the gauge block, but then the plenum is probably too small for 22 cal (Good for 177 though). I don't know if Audrious sells shorter reg sleeves. If you decide to reg your 25 cal, you could get the smaller plenum huma, and swap air tubes.
I know Scott tunes his such that as it comes off reg that there is a slight bump in fps before falling off. On his data he typically get a fair number of shots, still within Es after coming off reg.
Anyway, just some thoughts, on the other hand, after 60 shots a fill, you start wondering "Do I really need more?" ;)
You know the routine, not a case of need. ;D
I'm obviously pleased with the 60+ shots but the efficiency or lack thereof kinda bugs me. I know that the real tuners seem to set the regs so that there are good shots after it comes off the reg but I really don't understand why that's the thing to do. From the volumes that I've read, it's my understanding that I should be setting the reg and tuning to the knee or where the max power is. I feel like that's where it is given that I have no preload on either spring and still getting a easy 30fpe and that the first shot after it falls off the reg also falls off. Seems to me that means that I'm right in the perfect spot with the reg setting but what do I know? I'm just a green horn so I could be totally off base.
I'm going to play with the lighter primary spring and trade around the secondary springs just to see. Past that I'll likely just be happy and move on to the .25. ;)
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Terry if I may ask, what instructions are you using to set up your regulator?
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Terry if I may ask, what instructions are you using to set up your regulator?
All I have is what came with the regulator which is very little. Audrius sends a simple diagram that basically says turn this way for less pressure and the other way for more in 5 bar increments for every hour of the clock face for reference. There are no numerical markings on anything just a witness mark on the adjuster and another on the body for reference. The regulator is preset at 120 bar which is 1740 psi. I basically turned it to the right until it was at 5 o'clockish which should be 95 bar or 1370psi. Matching that to the fill station and gun gauges showed me that I was right about 1350 psi.
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So no actual directions on how to tune the regulator. These are the instructions for setting up the Huma regulator, this may also work with the Audrius regulator. This is how I set the regs on my Scorpion and my brother's SynRod and had a spread of under 10fps on both rifles.
If you try this method I would remove the TSS and use the single spring for setting up the reg, one mod at a time, once you have the reulator setup the way you like it re-nstall the TSS and set it up to the same fps as you had with the single spring when setting up the regulator. I am new at this also so I hope it helps.
Did that make sense? Here is a pic of the instructions from the Huma site
Click on the pic. Just use the tuning part, the adjustment of reg might be different on the Audrius.
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I have been thinking (scary thought I know). If I only filled my gun to 1300psi, I would have to use a lot of hammer energy or increased dwell time to get to 30 FPE and that would waste a lot of air. That maybe what's happening to you with the 27psi per shot. If you raised the set point higher you may see better efficiency. Raising the set point would put more pressure against the valve and cause it to close back quicker saving air. The faster you can get the valve to close back the more efficient it will be. The stronger pressure against the valve will help resist hammer bounce better as well.
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So no actual directions on how to tune the regulator. These are the instructions for setting up the Huma regulator, this may also work with the Audrius regulator. This is how I set the regs on my Scorpion and my brother's SynRod and had a spread of under 10fps on both rifles.
If you try this method I would remove the TSS and use the single spring for setting up the reg, one mod at a time, once you have the reulator setup the way you like it re-nstall the TSS and set it up to the same fps as you had with the single spring when setting up the regulator. I am new at this also so I hope it helps.
Did that make sense? Here is a pic of the instructions from the Huma site
Click on the pic. Just use the tuning part, the adjustment of reg might be different on the Audrius.
Thanks Robert. Pretty much the same process of adjustment between the Huma and the Audrius. When I initially installed the reg it was pre-set at 1740psi. I used the hammer spring that had worked the best prior to that, a Hill 12.5lb spring. The initial shots with that spring backed all the way out were in the 950fps range. That's why I turned the reg down to where it is now. When I ran the next string with that same sping at zero, I had speed in the 860fps range which was great but it obviously had a ton of bounce from the sound and I only got about 25 shots before it fell off the reg. I changed to the TSS and immediately got near 50 shots and with changing springs got the 63 shots that I posted. I'm going to pull everything apart this weekend and turn the reg up and see what happens.
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I have been thinking (scary thought I know). If I only filled my gun to 1300psi, I would have to use a lot of hammer energy or increased dwell time to get to 30 FPE and that would waste a lot of air. That maybe what's happening to you with the 27psi per shot. If you raised the set point higher you may see better efficiency. Raising the set point would put more pressure against the valve and cause it to close back quicker saving air. The faster you can get the valve to close back the more efficient it will be. The stronger pressure against the valve will help resist hammer bounce better as well.
Both springs in the TSS are backed out all the way. The primary adjuster is actually 3 1/2 threads outside the cap so I have the absolute minimum hammer energy possible with the lightest springs that I have. Shorty had a long post when he was tuning etc.. on a .25 and he used super low pressure, even lower than 1350psi if I remember correctly. I believe that the port work and valve flow is what is producing the air necessary to get those numbers at 1350psi.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3753/32490981190_9db80d10c1_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Rv7LJS)
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Looking at Motorhead's 50 shot regulated string, he used 1,615psi (3000psi down to 1385psi). His regulator was set at 1850psi and he used a 28 gram hammer. He got 50 shots at 2.16% ES (19 fps) averaging 30.41 FPE.
Looking at his string and air used, yours is in the same ballpark with air usage. He used 32.3psi per shot. I will note too that after the 50th shot it came off the reg and dropped like a rock. This string was posted 11/04/2012 and long before the TSS and SSG mods.
You better leave that tune alone and go enjoy it, it is awesome!
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Lighter springs, lighter hammer, or both.
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I have been thinking (scary thought I know). If I only filled my gun to 1300psi, I would have to use a lot of hammer energy or increased dwell time to get to 30 FPE and that would waste a lot of air. That maybe what's happening to you with the 27psi per shot. If you raised the set point higher you may see better efficiency. Raising the set point would put more pressure against the valve and cause it to close back quicker saving air. The faster you can get the valve to close back the more efficient it will be. The stronger pressure against the valve will help resist hammer bounce better as well.
This is basically what I've been thinking. I'm still thinking bringing that reg set point up a little(10-20 bar) will yield slightly better results. The most efficient tunes tend to be on the low end of the knee, and not right on it. It is like you said, the higher pressure will cause that valve to close faster. If you think it has a snappy report now, listen to it after you up the pressure a bit. It will be even quieter I think :) Upping the regulator set point also has the added benefit of being able to adjust for more speed if needed without re-adjusting the regulator. Again, it is hard to argue with that string though.
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I agree that he has too much dwell, but lowering it by raising the plenum pressure, will probably reduce shots. Best way to lower dwell is lower hammer weight. Terry saw significant improvement going to the lighter Hill striker, which says going in right direction. To lighten it further would mean hammer mod or replacement. He has the very minimum spring setting, so can't go lower without a spring change. I think he has to source a 6 or 8lb outer spring for the TSS to go lower. It doesn't take much to open a 6lb valve spring at 1300psi. So, upping the valve spring slightly, might help as well.
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I agree that he has too much dwell, but lowering it by raising the plenum pressure, will probably reduce shots. Best way to lower dwell is lower hammer weight. Terry saw significant improvement going to the lighter Hill striker, which says going in right direction. To lighten it further would mean hammer mod or replacement. He has the very minimum spring setting, so can't go lower without a spring change. I think he has to source a 6 or 8lb outer spring for the TSS to go lower. It doesn't take much to open a 6lb valve spring at 1300psi. So, upping the valve spring slightly, might help as well.
And they are ordered from said source. ;D
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If the TSS w/6lb outer spring is still too much, I'd try removing the center spring.
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If the TSS w/6lb outer spring is still too much, I'd try removing the center spring.
I plan to do a good amount more spring experimenting. You just had to make that 70 shot comment didn't you....... :o
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If the TSS w/6lb outer spring is still too much, I'd try removing the center spring.
I plan to do a good amount more spring experimenting. You just had to make that 70 shot comment didn't you....... :o
And experiment I did.....
75 - 30fpe shots @ 2.97 ES. 22.0psi/shot with 1.71 efficiency.
Created: 02/20/17 08:58 PM
Description: .22 Armada
Notes 1: JSBEJHD 18.13
Notes 2: TSS 6lb primary -3.5 Long secondary 0.
Distance to Chrono(FT): 1.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 18.13
Temp: 59 °F
BP: 29.97 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
75 849 29.02 15.39
74 855 29.43 15.50
73 852 29.23 15.45
72 856 29.50 15.52
71 865 30.13 15.68
70 866 30.20 15.70
69 853 29.30 15.46
68 859 29.71 15.57
67 854 29.36 15.48
66 863 29.99 15.65
65 864 30.06 15.66
64 866 30.20 15.70
63 870 30.48 15.77
62 866 30.20 15.70
61 866 30.20 15.70
60 867 30.27 15.72
59 853 29.30 15.46
58 854 29.36 15.48
57 856 29.50 15.52
56 860 29.78 15.59
55 854 29.36 15.48
54 861 29.85 15.61
53 855 29.43 15.50
52 858 29.64 15.56
51 857 29.57 15.54
50 861 29.85 15.61
49 869 30.41 15.75
48 870 30.48 15.77
47 864 30.06 15.66
46 860 29.78 15.59
45 862 29.92 15.63
44 861 29.85 15.61
43 861 29.85 15.61
42 864 30.06 15.66
41 867 30.27 15.72
40 860 29.78 15.59
39 851 29.16 15.43
38 862 29.92 15.63
37 856 29.50 15.52
36 863 29.99 15.65
35 864 30.06 15.66
34 858 29.64 15.56
33 856 29.50 15.52
32 864 30.06 15.66
31 866 30.20 15.70
30 868 30.34 15.74
29 865 30.13 15.68
28 868 30.34 15.74
27 872 30.62 15.81
26 870 30.48 15.77
25 867 30.27 15.72
24 873 30.69 15.83
23 869 30.41 15.75
22 869 30.41 15.75
21 865 30.13 15.68
20 867 30.27 15.72
19 857 29.57 15.54
18 870 30.48 15.77
17 865 30.13 15.68
16 864 30.06 15.66
15 863 29.99 15.65
14 865 30.13 15.68
13 862 29.92 15.63
12 856 29.50 15.52
11 863 29.99 15.65
10 863 29.99 15.65
9 865 30.13 15.68
8 855 29.43 15.50
7 875 30.83 15.86
6 871 30.55 15.79
5 870 30.48 15.77
4 872 30.62 15.81
3 873 30.69 15.83
2 874 30.76 15.85
1 863 29.99 15.65
Average: 862.9 FPS
SD: 6.1 FPS
Min: 849 FPS
Max: 875 FPS
Spread: 26 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.2
True MV: 863 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
76 - 30fpe shots @ 2.98 ES. 21.71psi/shot with 1.72 efficiency.
Created: 02/20/17 09:08 PM
Description: .22 Armada
Notes 1: JSBEJHD 18.13
Notes 2: TSS 6lb primary -3.5 Long secondary 0.
Distance to Chrono(FT): 1.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 18.13
Temp: 59 °F
BP: 29.97 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
76 847 28.89 15.36
75 849 29.02 15.39
74 855 29.43 15.50
73 864 30.06 15.66
72 867 30.27 15.72
71 864 30.06 15.66
70 860 29.78 15.59
69 863 29.99 15.65
68 857 29.57 15.54
67 845 28.75 15.32
66 845 28.75 15.32
65 853 29.30 15.46
64 849 29.02 15.39
63 855 29.43 15.50
62 860 29.78 15.59
61 857 29.57 15.54
60 862 29.92 15.63
59 858 29.64 15.56
58 855 29.43 15.50
57 859 29.71 15.57
56 852 29.23 15.45
55 860 29.78 15.59
54 859 29.71 15.57
53 858 29.64 15.56
52 858 29.64 15.56
51 854 29.36 15.48
50 860 29.78 15.59
49 858 29.64 15.56
48 855 29.43 15.50
47 862 29.92 15.63
46 865 30.13 15.68
45 864 30.06 15.66
44 870 30.48 15.77
43 864 30.06 15.66
42 864 30.06 15.66
41 855 29.43 15.50
40 866 30.20 15.70
39 864 30.06 15.66
38 871 30.55 15.79
37 868 30.34 15.74
36 867 30.27 15.72
35 867 30.27 15.72
34 861 29.85 15.61
33 857 29.57 15.54
32 863 29.99 15.65
31 853 29.30 15.46
30 858 29.64 15.56
29 864 30.06 15.66
28 868 30.34 15.74
27 865 30.13 15.68
26 868 30.34 15.74
25 864 30.06 15.66
24 866 30.20 15.70
23 871 30.55 15.79
22 871 30.55 15.79
21 870 30.48 15.77
20 866 30.20 15.70
19 870 30.48 15.77
18 868 30.34 15.74
17 871 30.55 15.79
16 862 29.92 15.63
15 865 30.13 15.68
14 857 29.57 15.54
13 851 29.16 15.43
12 849 29.02 15.39
11 854 29.36 15.48
10 863 29.99 15.65
9 860 29.78 15.59
8 867 30.27 15.72
7 858 29.64 15.56
6 859 29.71 15.57
5 863 29.99 15.65
4 860 29.78 15.59
3 865 30.13 15.68
2 856 29.50 15.52
1 863 29.99 15.65
Average: 860.7 FPS
SD: 6.4 FPS
Min: 845 FPS
Max: 871 FPS
Spread: 26 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.2
True MV: 861 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
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WOW, nice work!!
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WOW, nice work!!
Thanks Donny! Full tin of JSB's went over the chrony tonight. The 6lb spring is definitely the setup for the light hammer and 6lb poppet spring.
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Outstanding Terry!!! Congratz on a most excellent tune!!!
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Do we hear 80? :) :D ...... Great work.
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Outstanding Terry!!! Congratz on a most excellent tune!!!
Thank you sir!
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Do we hear 80? :) :D ...... Great work.
lol...now how did I know you were going to say that? Might be able to play with the free flight gap some more and get there. I shot on through 80 on a couple of strings. One wasn't terrible but once it comes off the reg the bottom falls out. I need a Go Fund Me for pellets. ;D
Thanks for all your help John!!
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Go a little lower on set-point, if you have any adjustment left.
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Go a little lower on set-point, if you have any adjustment left.
Or cut the adjusters off and put it in the stock and shoot the heck out of it. ;D
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C'mon, 80 is a piece of cake and 10 minutes of work.
Get a reservoir extension. ;D
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C'mon, 80 is a piece of cake and 10 minutes of work.
Get a reservoir extension. ;D
I have one but it's reserved for the .25 project. ;D
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I'm not sure what I would do with all those shots. What intrigues me the most, is given these kind of numbers, you can shrink the air res down, and reduce weight, and still get a decent shot count. .... contemplating a new project.
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I'm not sure what I would do with all those shots. What intrigues me the most, is given these kind of numbers, you can shrink the air res down, and reduce weight, and still get a decent shot count. .... contemplating a new project.
Same way I feel. Shave weight and length.
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What about a carbon bottled Armada. With a tune like Terry just did , 200 shots from 480 cc should be doable .
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What about a carbon bottled Armada. With a tune like Terry just did , 200 shots from 480 cc should be doable .
Took a lot of air to figure it out but at this rate we're going to practically put my paintball guy out of the HPA business. ;D
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I'm not sure what I would do with all those shots. What intrigues me the most, is given these kind of numbers, you can shrink the air res down, and reduce weight, and still get a decent shot count. .... contemplating a new project.
Same way I feel. Shave weight and length.
Or go up in power. Now I'm wondering if it's possible to get a 40/40 from a .22? Hmmm.....
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Well I am just as speechless as everyone else. Great job Terry!!! I just had to run this one through SynRodSteve's Shot String Analyzer. I don't know how well it will display with so many shots. We don't usually see such a long string.
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/dkwachob/Forum%20Photos%20Do%20not%20delete/Terry%20H.%2075%20Shots%2003_zpsdalcreur.jpg~original)
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/dkwachob/Forum%20Photos%20Do%20not%20delete/Terry%20H.%2075%20Shots%2001_zpsebqgzifx.jpg~original)
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Just dont get a .177 or those strings will take two pages to post LOL
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Well I am just as speechless as everyone else. Great job Terry!!! I just had to run this one through SynRodSteve's Shot String Analyzer. I don't know how well it will display with so many shots. We don't usually see such a long string.
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/dkwachob/Forum%20Photos%20Do%20not%20delete/Terry%20H.%2075%20Shots%2003_zpsdalcreur.jpg)
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/dkwachob/Forum%20Photos%20Do%20not%20delete/Terry%20H.%2075%20Shots%2001_zpsebqgzifx.jpg)
Thanks Keith. No one is more surprised than I am. Never dreamed that it was possible. That's why I ran 2 strings back to back just to make sure it wasn't a fluke.
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Excellent string Terry, I am just wondering did you take the regulator out? Doesn't seem to be regulated at 26fps ES, other than that, great job.
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Excellent string Terry, I am just wondering did you take the regulator out? Doesn't seem to be regulated at 26fps ES, other than that, great job.
Thanks. Reg is still in.
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Excellent string Terry, I am just wondering did you take the regulator out? Doesn't seem to be regulated at 26fps ES, other than that, great job.
One has to realize with that many shots on regulation that pellets can cause the ES to go alot wider due to slightly different weights. Also if you don't wait enough time between shots could cause it also.
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Dillion, I was wondering the same, maybe not enough time between shots. Let the plenum catch up.
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Excellent string Terry, I am just wondering did you take the regulator out? Doesn't seem to be regulated at 26fps ES, other than that, great job.
One has to realize with that many shots on regulation that pellets can cause the ES to go alot wider due to slightly different weights. Also if you don't wait enough time between shots could cause it also.
I do think at least some of the ES is pellet related. I culled zero pellets. I'm trying to train myself to slow down in between shots but if/when I forget I haven't noticed any difference when I go one right after the other or count to 10 in between. Assuming that the setup in the .22 has plenty of plenum.
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I would say hes slightly over the knee and needs to turn up the regulator this however will lower shot count. Either way its and awesome string.
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I would say hes slightly over the knee and needs to turn up the regulator this however will lower shot count. Either way its and awesome string.
Thanks Travis. I know you are correct. I just made a guesstimation on the reg setting. I was totally surprised when it still have the fps that I was looking for set that low. My goal was max shots at 30fpe so considering the strings I think I'll just leave it be and move on. I feel like the 2.9ES is perfectly acceptable for the 50 yards or less that I envision me using it.
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I would say hes slightly over the knee and needs to turn up the regulator this however will lower shot count. Either way its and awesome string.
Thanks Travis. I know you are correct. I just made a guesstimation on the reg setting. I was totally surprised when it still have the fps that I was looking for set that low. My goal was max shots at 30fpe so considering the strings I think I'll just leave it be and move on. I feel like the 2.9ES is perfectly acceptable for the 50 yards or less that I envision me using it.
If you want a 2% ES out of that string for long range hunting/shooting, you can fill to 2150psi and shoot 35 shots. Those come out to be 2.07% (18 fps) averaging 29.84 FPE.
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I guess I just can't stop experimenting. ::) I had some different shorter springs that Tim had sent me that I decided that I'd try tonight. Pretty good string. Few less shots but little tighter ES. Food for thought I suppose.
70 shots @ 30fpe. 2.29ES. 1.59 efficiency using 24psi/shot.
Created: 02/21/17 07:36 PM
Description: .22 Armada
Notes 1: JSBEJHD 18.13
Notes 2: Hill 262 Hammer spring 4.2 turns preload.
Distance to Chrono(FT): 1.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 18.13
Temp: 61 °F
BP: 29.94 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
70 855 29.43 15.50
69 851 29.16 15.43
68 854 29.36 15.48
67 857 29.57 15.54
66 857 29.57 15.54
65 865 30.13 15.68
64 863 29.99 15.65
63 857 29.57 15.54
62 860 29.78 15.59
61 866 30.20 15.70
60 871 30.55 15.79
59 865 30.13 15.68
58 860 29.78 15.59
57 859 29.71 15.57
56 858 29.64 15.56
55 859 29.71 15.57
54 863 29.99 15.65
53 862 29.92 15.63
52 861 29.85 15.61
51 853 29.30 15.46
50 864 30.06 15.66
49 860 29.78 15.59
48 862 29.92 15.63
47 864 30.06 15.66
46 861 29.85 15.61
45 866 30.20 15.70
44 871 30.55 15.79
43 866 30.20 15.70
42 860 29.78 15.59
41 864 30.06 15.66
40 861 29.85 15.61
39 867 30.27 15.72
38 868 30.34 15.74
37 868 30.34 15.74
36 870 30.48 15.77
35 869 30.41 15.75
34 869 30.41 15.75
33 871 30.55 15.79
32 871 30.55 15.79
31 864 30.06 15.66
30 868 30.34 15.74
29 864 30.06 15.66
28 865 30.13 15.68
27 862 29.92 15.63
26 856 29.50 15.52
25 862 29.92 15.63
24 869 30.41 15.75
23 857 29.57 15.54
22 863 29.99 15.65
21 863 29.99 15.65
20 865 30.13 15.68
19 866 30.20 15.70
18 864 30.06 15.66
17 865 30.13 15.68
16 868 30.34 15.74
15 864 30.06 15.66
14 866 30.20 15.70
13 866 30.20 15.70
12 865 30.13 15.68
11 866 30.20 15.70
10 867 30.27 15.72
9 865 30.13 15.68
8 858 29.64 15.56
7 868 30.34 15.74
6 862 29.92 15.63
5 862 29.92 15.63
4 854 29.36 15.48
3 860 29.78 15.59
2 865 30.13 15.68
1 858 29.64 15.56
Average: 863.1 FPS
SD: 4.7 FPS
Min: 851 FPS
Max: 871 FPS
Spread: 20 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.2
True MV: 863 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
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Took my G6 pump handle to a machine shop and they wouldn't tap it for 1/2 NPT.
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Took my G6 pump handle to a machine shop and they wouldn't tap it for 1/2 NPT.
I drilled mine out with a cheap step bit and tapped it myself with this $14 tap set from Harbor Freight.
http://www.harborfreight.com/6-piece-pipe-tap-die-set-91395.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/6-piece-pipe-tap-die-set-91395.html)
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Got it all back together and I plan on leaving it together for a while. Let's try shooting it instead of just tuning on it every day. lol... ;D
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Yep, you've got a problem :D
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Nice little arsenal you've amassed there. :)
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Yep, you've got a problem :D
Shhhh...let's keep that quiet. Maybe no one will notice. ;D
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Nice little arsenal you've amassed there. :)
Thanks! Should be even better when I finish the .25. ;)
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It's nice to get everything done and just enjoy it! I too have gotten burned out and tired of modifying and tuning and decided just to enjoy and shoot my toys :) then I get bored and back at it lol beautiful guns by the way!
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It's nice to get everything done and just enjoy it! I too have gotten burned out and tired of modifying and tuning and decided just to enjoy and shoot my toys :) then I get bored and back at it lol beautiful guns by the way!
You are so right about this Dillon. I finally took some time to shoot some targets yesterday and it was a real joy to get back to enjoying the gun. Don't know how long it will last before I get another itch. I practically blew the noggin off of one target. 30 FPE with soft lead pellets expand and smack really hard especially at the 25 to 40 yard distances I was shooting.
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30 FPE will hit hard enough @ 100 yards too, BTW that laser sight looks a lot like the Swiss Arms one I got , it does have nice adjust-ability and stays where you set it even on springers.
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30 FPE will hit hard enough @ 100 yards too, BTW that laser sight looks a lot like the Swiss Arms one I got , it does have nice adjust-ability and stays where you set it even on springers.
I'm planning some 100 yard shooting before long with both the .22 and the .25. I like the little laser so far. Cool super small package. Very touchy adjustments but I did get it dialed in.
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30 FPE will hit hard enough @ 100 yards too, BTW that laser sight looks a lot like the Swiss Arms one I got , it does have nice adjust-ability and stays where you set it even on springers.
I'm planning some 100 yard shooting before long with both the .22 and the .25. I like the little laser so far. Cool super small package. Very touchy adjustments but I did get it dialed in.
I have had seven successful take downs on furry targets at 80 yards with my .22 set at 30 FPE. I have not dispatched anything at 100 yards yet. Shot placement is key to success at the longer ranges which my HF barrel allows me to do. However, I feel more comfortable and confident at take downs 60 yards or less. Those are much easier to do.
I like that IR too, but the scope is more my speed especially with the 16x magnification with my old eyes.
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30 FPE will hit hard enough @ 100 yards too, BTW that laser sight looks a lot like the Swiss Arms one I got , it does have nice adjust-ability and stays where you set it even on springers.
I'm planning some 100 yard shooting before long with both the .22 and the .25. I like the little laser so far. Cool super small package. Very touchy adjustments but I did get it dialed in.
I have had seven successful take downs on furry targets at 80 yards with my .22 set at 30 FPE. I have not dispatched anything at 100 yards yet. Shot placement is key to success at the longer ranges which my HF barrel allows me to do. However, I feel more comfortable and confident at take downs 60 yards or less. Those are much easier to do.
I like that IR too, but the scope is more my speed especially with the 16x magnification with my old eyes.
The laser is more novelty for me but just had to have it. ;D The big scope on the Prod was also done for more of the "look" than anything else but it turns out that I really like it. Old eyes here too. Haven't had a chance to sight in the 32x on the Armada yet but I can tell that I'm going to like it twice as much. lol... It's intended spot is on the .25.
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So we were discussing some customization of the Armadas the other day at the shop because ..well...you know...I can't leave well enough alone on anything I own. So...... custom paint coming right up. :o ;D
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So we were discussing some customization of the Armadas the other day at the shop because ..well...you know...I can't leave well enough alone on anything I own. So...... custom paint coming right up. :o ;D
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Oh My Goodness !!! 8) 8) 8) 8) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) Best Wishes - Tom
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So we were discussing some customization of the Armadas the other day at the shop because ..well...you know...I can't leave well enough alone on anything I own. So...... custom paint coming right up. :o ;D
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Oh My Goodness !!! 8) 8) 8) 8) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) Best Wishes - Tom
Helps that I've been in the body shop biz for 35 years. ;D
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So we were discussing some customization of the Armadas the other day at the shop because ..well...you know...I can't leave well enough alone on anything I own. So...... custom paint coming right up. :o ;D
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Oh My Goodness !!! 8) 8) 8) 8) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) Best Wishes - Tom
Helps that I've been in the body shop biz for 35 years. ;D
This Proves that Our Biggest Limitation to Innovation is Our Imagination ! ;D Fantastic Build going on here Terry ! 8) Best Wishes - Tom
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And I thought you only had an affliction for black guns! ;) Candy Apple Red? :)
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I think it would look awesome in Coyote!
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And I thought you only had an affliction for black guns! ;) Candy Apple Red? :)
It's a secret.
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I think it would look awesome in Coyote!
I agree but I'm thinking a bit farther outside the box. ;D
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Now I'm intrigued!
With the quality of your work so far, I'm sure whatever you do it's going to look great!
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Now I'm intrigued!
With the quality of your work so far, I'm sure whatever you do it's going to look great!
We will see. I'm actually doing both Armadas and the Prod. All different.
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Ok. Now you're just showing off! :o
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Ok. Now you're just showing off! :o
Not just yet but soon. ;D
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Can't wait to see how they turn out Terry!
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Can't wait to see how they turn out Terry!
Thanks Dillon!! I'm kinda excited about it. Will have my House of Kolor stuff tomorrow. Have hydrodip film for #2, and some new parts and pieces on the way also. Sheesh. :o There. Is. No. End. To. This. lol...
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Ok, last time to see the .22 wearing the plain furniture. Couldn't resist a few shots in our rock gardens just so I can remember her when she looked like everyone else's....
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Uhhh, Terry--She does NOT look like everyone else's! Good luck with the new look, errr, looks!
Ed
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Ok, last time to see the .22 wearing the plain furniture. Couldn't resist a few shots in our rock gardens just so I can remember her when she looked like everyone else's....
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It Looks Great Right Now ! Very Unique as is. I cannot imagine how it could get any better..... But I Know It Will !!!. Best Wishes - Tom
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Ok, last time to see the .22 wearing the plain furniture. Couldn't resist a few shots in our rock gardens just so I can remember her when she looked like everyone else's....
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It Looks Great Right Now ! Very Unique as is. I cannot imagine how it could get any better..... But I Know It Will !!!. Best Wishes - Tom
Terry: Is the PAINT DRY YET ? ??? ??? ??? ??? WHERE"S THE BEEF ? ;) ;) ;) ;) Best Wishes- Tom ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Yeah, we're all waiting for the bling! I've got my sunglasses at the ready! 8)
Ed
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Patience gentlemen, patience. ;D The unveiling will be soon. Waiting on a couple of new goodies.
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Well, I wanted something that stood out from the sea of black guns....lol... To quote my wife Cheryl, "It looks like it belongs to you now" so I guess we are good to go now. ;D
The last of my goodies came today so here it is all dressed up and ready to rock. The paint is House of Kolor Passion Purple Pearl with matte clear. I have lots of stuff this color but this is the first time I have used the matte clear on it. I was hoping for a finish that looked anodized. Think it came out pretty good. The photos don't do any justice to the ridiculous amount of pearl in this color.
The orange index clips for the pic rail are from LaRue Tactical. I bought the black pic rail ladder covers on Ebay. Green laser and flashlight I found on Amazon. The M-Lok rail covers are Magpul pieces. I traded the CP scope mounts for UTG's that I bought on Amazon.
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Hotness!
Great job!
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It defiantly makes the carbon fiber pop :) nice !
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Hotness!
Great job!
Thanks Ken!
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It defiantly makes the carbon fiber pop :) nice !
Thanks James!
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Terry..I'm at a Loss for Words. The Armada is STUNNING !!!! FANTASTIC JOB ! You are truly a WIZARD !
What will You Dream up NEXT !!!!
You've got the TOUCH ! :) That's the REAL McCoy Hatfield There !!! 8) My Best Wishes - Tom
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Terry..I'm at a Loss for Words. The Armada is STUNNING !!!! FANTASTIC JOB ! You are truly a WIZARD !
What will You Dream up NEXT !!!!
You've got the TOUCH ! :) That's the REAL McCoy Hatfield There !!! 8) My Best Wishes - Tom
Thanks Tom! I have been blessed/cursed with a good imagination. lol... I'm working on the .25 furniture now. It's going to be another step beyond the .22. :o
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Terry,
Every time I see your gun I like it more and more. That's the best looking Armada I've seen, and it's got the performance to boot.
I can't wait to see the .25, keep up the good work, your raising the bar...
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Terry,
Every time I see your gun I like it more and more. That's the best looking Armada I've seen, and it's got the performance to boot.
I can't wait to see the .25, keep up the good work, your raising the bar...
Thanks Ken!! I also just got another used .25 that I'm saving back for a .30 cal project. That should make a bigger hole. lol...
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Finally there was a peek of sunshine today. These pics are much more representative of the actual color. This is why you spend the money for House of Kolor.
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VERY NICE !.....It's MAGIC !
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VERY NICE !.....It's MAGIC !
It gives you that "Beeman meets Harry Potter" vibe....
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VERY NICE !.....It's MAGIC !
It gives you that "Beeman meets Harry Potter" vibe....
TERRY'S WORLD ( He's truly a Wizard in what he does )
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Terry,
Every time I see your gun I like it more and more. That's the best looking Armada I've seen, and it's got the performance to boot.
I can't wait to see the .25, keep up the good work, your raising the bar...
Thanks Ken!! I also just got another used .25 that I'm saving back for a .30 cal project. That should make a bigger hole. lol...
That's my problem right now even though I get plenty of power from my .25, I want more can't decide whether to build a .30 or just grab something to that can let me fire a .357 piece of lead...
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Terry,
Every time I see your gun I like it more and more. That's the best looking Armada I've seen, and it's got the performance to boot.
I can't wait to see the .25, keep up the good work, your raising the bar...
Thanks Ken!! I also just got another used .25 that I'm saving back for a .30 cal project. That should make a bigger hole. lol...
That's my problem right now even though I get plenty of power from my .25, I want more can't decide whether to build a .30 or just grab something to that can let me fire a .357 piece of lead...
I found a .25 Armada with the CP 4-16x56 scope for $300. Couldn't pass that one up. Just gonna save it back and do the .30 conversion at some point.
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Awesome armada great job I really like it!
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Awesome armada great job I really like it!
Thanks Matt!
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Adding this from another post to keep the build thread updated....
This was the first chance I've had to shoot the Armada outdoors after installing the reg and getting the 70 shot tune. Once I got the scope zeroed I thought I'd shoot a full compliment of shots in one group. Here's 70 shots @ 41 yards. The very irritating flier was all me. I touched the trigger when I didn't mean to. ::) The other 69 shots I'm super happy with.
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69 shots that tight? At 41yds? Hard to complain!
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69 shots that tight? At 41yds? Hard to complain!
Thanks Dillon! That's what I thought too. After about the first 20 or so I was thinking that it was going pretty well. Kept waiting for me to screw it up. lol... The flier was shot 35. I almost just stopped there but went ahead. Glad I did even though the flier still irritates the heck out of me.
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she's pretty and smart too!! ;D ;D ;D
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she's pretty and smart too!! ;D ;D ;D
Yes she is! ;D
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My Hawke 8-32x56 Sidewinder for the .22 came today. There is nothing wrong with the CP 4-16x56AO's that come with the Armada combos but the Hawke is in a whole different league. The fit and finish, workmanship, clarity, the fantastic reticle, everything about this scope screams quality.
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These are all 50 yard 5 shot groups from this evening. Guess this is proof that there are such things a good Crosman .22 barrels. 8)
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WOW ! This is FANTASTIC ! Your Guns Look GREAT ! They Shoot Great ! So all I can Say to that Is :P :P :P :P :P Because I Can't Paint or Shoot Like THAT ! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( >>> AND Best Wishes to You Terry !!! - Tom Wood
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Dang Terry now that's what I'm talking about!
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WOW ! This is FANTASTIC ! Your Guns Look GREAT ! They Shoot Great ! So all I can Say to that Is :P :P :P :P :P Because I Can't Paint or Shoot Like THAT ! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( >>> AND Best Wishes to You Terry !!! - Tom Wood
Thanks Tom!
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Dang Terry now that's what I'm talking about!
Thanks Dillon! The .22 is pure pleasure to shoot. Cocking is super easy and the trigger work has made it a very nice trigger. It's an eye opener to shoot the stock .25 and then go to this one. So stinking hard to cock and the lawyer spring...sheesh...amazing that I can hit anything with that one.