Could a group here take over Chairgun from Hawke?

[plinker81366]

use the change cartridge option then bob,

[rsterne]

yes, but can you store that "cartridge" data so you can recall it, and if so, how?....

Bob

[Nvreloader]

Bob
There is 2 paragrafts on how to enter and save the rifle and ammo sections.

Too wordy for me to copy, see info here: 
http://www.borisov.mobi/strelokplus/manual.html

HTH's,
Don

[aceflier]

yes, but can you store that "cartridge" data so you can recall it, and if so, how?....

Bob I think you uave to have profiles seperately I dont think there is an option to copy profiles but you can hit change data in the cartridge screen and copy to another profile
Mrod 25gr
Mrod 34gr
Mrod 42gr

[Kinetic45^]

See why I wanted to save Chairgun?
Although Strelok is good it lacks some major features pneumatic shooters need vs powder burners need.

[Nvreloader]

Per the instructions listed,
"Adding or editing a Cartridge,
Just like with rifle, to add a cartridge, tap the "Change cartridge" button. A popup with opens.
Select an entry in the popup and configure the profile as needed.
It shall be saved automatically. 10 profiles are possible". 

Tia,
Don

[Kinetic45^]

Per the instructions listed,
"Adding or editing a Cartridge,
Just like with rifle, to add a cartridge, tap the "Change cartridge" button. A popup with opens.
Select an entry in the popup and configure the profile as needed.
It shall be saved automatically. 10 profiles are possible". 

Tia,
Don

And I have profiles for 45 Texan, 25 Marauder, 25 WARP, 357 Texan, FLEX n Pitbull in Strelok but I did not fall in blind love.  Strelok has its strengths but Charigun has different ones that are useful and convenient and I end up using both in different situations.  Chairgun is just easier to use in the field. The good thing is everyone here should let Igor know what you need so he can possibly add those things.

[Nvreloader]

I sent him an email asking if there was a pellet data base,
and posted our sites info for this discussion about Strelok etc,
and what it would do or work for pellets. 

We'll see if he responds......
Tia,
Don

[rsterne]

Actually, I found the pellet database, when you select "Caliber", you can select .17 through .35 cal air rifles (what, no .45? )…. Then you can sort by Vendor (eg. JSB)…. So, there is an extensive list of pellets already....

If there are only 10 "cartridges" you can save, and you use one for each combination of pellet and velocity.... that is nowhere near enough, IMO....

but I am gradually getting the hang of it.... (still prefer ChairGun, however)….

Does anyone know how to change from single BC mode to multi BC mode?.... When I tap the bar, it goes back to the main cartridge screen but doesn't change anything.... 

Bob

[Nvreloader]

Bob
Attempting to help here,
Per the instructions, this is noted:

Dropbox
Strelok now supports a feature allowing Dropbox users to backup rifle and profiles and sync the device with file uploaded to Dropbox.

Can this feature be used to set separate drop box with 10 shots per drop box, per cal or weights etc?

Tia,
Don

[Nvreloader]

Bob
Does this help:

By tapping “Table” You can also bring up a shooting table showing the rifle and ammo profile, velocities, energy, bullet flight times, bullet drop, windage at specified distance increments.
All this can be configured in table settings. The table can also be exported by email for storing, printing etc

Tia,
Don

[JungleShooter]

How to Switch Pellets and Power Seamlessly on Your Mobile Ballistic Calculator
= One of the Advantages of Strelok over ChairGun

To start out with, Strelok has a lot of development work to do if it is to replace ChairGun!  Strelok Pro is lacking a lot YET to compete with the desktop version of ChairGun!  So, I really hope that the developer who is the most important developer for the airgun world in 2019 will make it happen.  Go Boris!

However, Strelok has some distinct advantages over the mobile version of ChairGun.

One of the differences between ChairGun and Strelok, if I understand this correctly, comes into play when you want to use different pellets (also, if you want to use different power settings, if your gun has that feature):

Let’s go through the steps of setting it up, to see where the difference (= the Strelok advantage) comes in:    

ChairGun (Android)
Pellet #1
• With ChairGun (Android) you zero your scope for one pellet, #1.
• Reset the scope turrets to zero.
• Enter the pellet data and present weather conditions into ChairGun.
• Store your rifle–pellet combination.
• Let ChairGun calculate a shooting solution for pellet #1 at your target’s distance. 
• Click the turrets to ChairGun’s number or use ChairGun’s dots of holdover. Shoot.

Pellet #2
If you want to use another pellet #2, re-zero the scope to shoot for pellet #2.
• Write a LIST of offsets – noting down the up/down clicks, left/right clicks in comparison to pellet #1.
• Reset the scope turrets to zero (yeah, many scopes require an that allen wrench).
• Enter the pellet data and present weather conditions into ChairGun.
• Store your rifle–pellet combination.
• Let ChairGun calculate a shooting solution for pellet #2 at your target’s distance. 
• Click the turrets to ChairGun’s number or use ChairGun’s dots of holdover. Shoot.


Now comes the problem when switching between stored pellet-rifle combinations:
If you want to go back to pellet #1, or any other pellet you have stored in ChairGun:
• Find your written LIST of offsets.
• Reset the scope turrets to zero (allen wrench...).
• Pull up your stored rifle–pellet combination.
• Let ChairGun calculate a shooting solution for pellet #1 at your target’s distance. 
• Click the turrets to ChairGun’s number or use ChairGun’s dots of holdover. Shoot.

Note: You could get away without resetting the turrets, doing it the following way:
• Take ChairGun’s shooting solution of elevation and windage clicks.
• Add/subtract to that the number of clicks that you have written down in your LIST of offsets.
• Click the turrets to those new numbers. Shoot.
Complicated? Yes.



Strelok Pro (Android)
Pellet #1
• With Strelok (Android) you zero your scope for your most common pellet, let’s call it the universal pellet,  Pellet, #1.
• Reset the scope turrets to zero.
• Enter the pellet data and present weather conditions into Strelok.
• Store your rifle–pellet combination.
• Let Strelok calculate a shooting solution for pellet #1 at your target’s distance. 
• Click the turrets to Strelok’s number or use Strelok’s dots of holdover. Shoot.

Pellet #2
• If you want to use another pellet #2, shoot it without adjusting the scope.
• Measure the offset (“zero offset” up/down, left/right) from the bulls.
• Enter the pellet #2 data and present weather conditions into Strelok. Enter the zero offset of pellet #2 into Strelok.
• Store your rifle–pellet combination.
• Let Strelok calculate a shooting solution for pellet #2 at your target’s distance. 
• Click the turrets to Strelok’s number or use Strelok’s dots of holdover. Shoot.

Now comes the good part of Strelok, when switching between stored pellet-rife combinations:
If you want to go back to pellet #1, or any other pellet you have stored in Strelok:
• Pull up your stored rifle–pellet combination.
• Let Strelok calculate a shooting solution for pellet #1 at your target’s distance. 
• Click the turrets to ChairGun’s number or use ChairGun’s dots of holdover. Shoot.
● ● ●   No need for a written LIST of offsets.   
● ● ●   No need for resetting the scope turrets to zero (no allen wrench...).
● ● ●   No need for recalculating the clicks by adding/ subtracting the clicks from some written LIST of offsets.


Hope this is helpful to some! 
Matthias

[JungleShooter]

Strelok Pro:  How to Copy a Pellet and Reuse It With a Different Rifle

Copying a Cartridge to a Different Rifle
• Go to main screen [the one that calculates holdover and clicks]  | 
• Tap the gun-cartridge combination  | 
• Tap the cartridge  | 
• Tap "Change Cartridge"  | 
• Select from the list of cartridges [pellets]  | 
• Tap "Copy"  | 
• Select from the list of rifles the one you want to copy that cartridge to [you have to have stored more than one rifle in Strelok]  | 
• OK  |  Back, or OK  |  you are now back at the main screen


Selecting the Copied Cartridge
• Tap "Change Rifle"  | 
• Select from the list of rifles the one that you copied the cartridge to  | 
• Tap the cartridge  | 
• Tap "Change Cartridge"  | 
• Select from the list of cartridges [pellets]  | 
• OK  |  Back or OK  |  Back or OK  |  you are now back at the main screen


Modifying the Copied Cartridge for the New Rifle
• Go to main screen [the one that calculates holdover and clicks]  | 
• Tap the gun-cartridge combination  | 
• Tap the cartridge  | 
• Now follow the instructions of my previous post for Pellet #2 in Strelok.


Cheers!   
Matthias

[rsterne]

Thanks, Matthias.... when I have some time I will follow your instructions step by step....

Bob

[rsterne]

OK, I had a good play with Strelok, and I found out how to store various "cartridges", which for our purposes is a combination of bullet/pellet and velocity.... I also found out that you can store more than 10 "cartridges", I don't know how many, but certainly >12.... However, when you change the velocity, it changes it for that "cartridge", ie the velocity is stored as part of the custom cartridge data.... You aren't just storing a bullet/pellet, at least I can't figure out how to do that....

What I would like to see is the ability to ADD pellets/bullets to the list of "cartridges" under each airgun caliber.... At the moment it appears you have the built-in list of pellets, with their weight and BC (and sometimes those are duplicated)…. but anything different you want to store ends up in a single list, with all the calibers mixed up.... It would be nice if you could add, for instance, a Lyman 257420 to the ".25 Airgun" cartridge list and have it store the weight and BC.... Then to access it, you could just go to that list, select that bullet (cartridge) and then change the velocity....

Also, he needs to add .40 cal, .45 cal, .50 cal and .58 cal Airgun calibers to the "Caliber" pull-down menu in the Cartridge database, IMO.... Perhaps Boris can give us an email where we can send a list of Cast bullets (or others), with the weight and BC, and he can add them to his airguns database?.... Under manufacturer, they could be listed by mold maker, eg. Lyman, NOE, Accurate, Lee etc.etc. with the model number?.... Just a thought.... Or maybe that would be more appropriate in the "bullet" database, as they might be used by PBs also?....

Bob

[Nvreloader]

Guys
And just to add more info, that may help,
The site listed in the Streklok instructions for bullet data base is from Quickload app,
which has a listing for airgun pellets along with cast bullets in numerous sizes.

http://www.shootforum.com/forum/bulletdb.html

HTH,
Don

[rsterne]

Thanks, Don, that is a great database.... You have to input the data manually, and then scroll through all your entries to find what you want.... In addition, if there were only 10 spots for custom cartridges (like it says in the instructions) you would run out real quick.... I have no idea what the maximum number is in Strelok Pro, hopefully I'll never find out....

I sure wish you could add the bullets to the bullet database, indexed by caliber and manufacturer.... It would be sooooooooo much more user friendly....

Bob

[JungleShooter]

Yes, Bob, I tried to add a pellet ("cartridge to the data base, but it does not work.
They can only be added to each rifle separately. Modifying a cartridge in the data base is also not possible. 

Yes, I agree, it would really help us users to be able to enter a pellet ("cartridge, bullet") once into the data base, and be able to select it from there.

[JungleShooter]

SUGGESTION to the Forum Moderators:

Maybe it would make sense to move this thread from the PCP sub-gate to the main gate — as ballistic calculators concern all of us. 

[Kinetic45^]

I put several 'notices' in other sections/gates linking to this one.  The question is "Where was there going to be the most 'traffic' where the most people would see it and consider the problem".  If It is in the wrong place it draws no readers and dies.  I also had doubts the moderators  would allow such notices in every gate but took the chance on a couple.  I think MOST people just go to their interest gate and skip the general gates... I know I rarely look at anything other than the Darkside or BigBore.  There seems to be more traffic in this gate than others.

I figured CO2 and Springers might sometimes do some chronographing but their velocities are more 'fixed' but PCPs it's almost mandatory to tune one and need more use of a ballistics calculator and in talking to other types of pneumatic gun shooters down through the years seemed to bear this out.  So I chose the not perfect but least bad choice also knowing someone would think it should go in the general gates.

I certainly would not disagree to it being moved if the consensus is it should be but you can't please everyone.  Here it HAS lead to fulfilling discussion which was my point in starting the thread.