Author Topic: Could a group here take over Chairgun from Hawke? (Read 12926 times))

rsterne · « **Reply #80 on:** January 14, 2019, 02:19:58 PM »

I think this subject will get the most traffic here, JMO.... Matthias, I am slowly getting used to Strelok Pro, and have several guns input, along with a few bullets for each.... I also figured out how to copy a bullet from one gun to another, and you can change the velocity for one gun without affecting the other, which is nice.... You may even be able to change the BC for one gun only, I haven't tried that yet.... If you select a pellet from the database, eg. Exact King, 25.4 gr., JSB.... once you put it into a given gun you can modify it, including the name.... For instance, I want the manufacturer, JSB, first, because I want to organize alphabetically, and I may want to edit the weight or BC.... You can do that once, then copy it to your other guns.... a nice thing to know....

I'll get there.... eventually.... I sure have a LOT of cast bullets to input.... and since most of them are NOE they aren't in the ShooterForum database....

…. This leave me with guesstimating the BC....

Bob

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #81 on:** January 14, 2019, 02:45:23 PM »

Bob, another thing we should consider is having an online Wiki type database for non-pellet bullets data so we could share.
It's so wasteful that each of us has to 'reinvent the wheel' for BCs of molds we commonly use.

I had tried to find someone with a Labradar who I could send some .357 and .457 custom bullets to so they could do it but never matched up both someone with TIME, a Labradar and a rifle in those caliburs

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #82 on:** January 14, 2019, 03:55:54 PM »

Sent to igor@borisov.mobi
You should also send suggestions GTA members.

Quote

Hi again, I am sending you this to show how it would help to have the second dot up show it's distance.
In this case the air rifle is zeroed for 85 yards but the target is 42 yards so you show the first up dot as 66 but the second up dot has nothing.
This is a very common senario with air rifles as we have very arcing trajectories and shoot at short ranges. Similar to pistol hunting ranges and trajectories.
I am hunting deer and hogs in Texas and my ranges are 30 yards to 180. I am using a 128gr .357 round nose HP (basically it is a lead pistol bullet) which leaves the rifle at 940 FPS for the first shot, then the following shots are 919, 892, 870.
Note that this means each shot has a different trajectory, which makes shooting/hunting with airrifles extremely challenging!

If I had a wish list, I would ask for "Strelok Air" that had most of Strelok Pro but also had our specialty stuff. And that way, the regular Strelik did not get too cluttered or complex for the powder burner firearm shooters. We don't need powder temp compensation for example. BC becomes important and others have asked for the ability to import Labradar chronograph data so it could be calculated too.

If you asked the people on the GatewayToAirguns website, specifically the section there called 'The Dark Side' type of Airguns (and one level deeper where I mostly go: section 'Big Bore' which is .25, .30, .357, n .45) for suggestions there are a lot of very, very knowledgeable people who would tell you what we need.

One wish would be a page that had multiple FPS boxes so I could, for example, switch from one shot calculation to another with just a tap, for the same rifle.
Like this

FPS 1= xxx ( here would go the 940)
FPS 2= xxx (919)
FPS 3= xxx (892)
FPS 4= xxx (870)
FPS 5= xxx

I might be shooting at a Sounder if hogs scattered across a field and first shot might shoot the farthest one, then second shot I have a lower FPS and a different range so it takes a lot of tapping and changing to get what I need with Strelok Pro, with what I am suggesting, I would just tap on the next shot FPS and it would take me to the new recticle calculation.
As you can see, the difference between shot 1 and a shot 4 or 5 is large and shows why pneumatic shooters are different than PB shooters.

Carl the Joatmon

JungleShooter · « **Reply #83 on:** January 14, 2019, 05:48:41 PM »

Carl,
WELL DONE!
Thanks for emailing the Strelok developer. ✔

Sky · « **Reply #84 on:** January 14, 2019, 09:08:21 PM »

I thought Strelok would be an expensive PC program or something. It's just a 12$ app and looks fabulous. It easily overcomes the chairgun limitations.

rsterne · « **Reply #85 on:** January 14, 2019, 09:45:01 PM »

I just wish you could print out a trajectory chart with it....

Bob

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #86 on:** January 14, 2019, 10:02:58 PM »

Quote from: rsterne on January 14, 2019, 09:45:01 PM

I just wish you could print out a trajectory chart with it....

Bob

You can export your trajectory chart two ways, go to the bottom and it has the arrow down into the envelope for emailing and the XLS uses the Android Google Sheets which you can get by opening a free Google account and is already loaded on most Android tablets n phone's... From Sheets you can print or further send it to editing, etc.

My PC uses Windows email and my phone uses Gmail but I can send from Strelok to either and then open the email and print.

I do wish Strelok had graphs like Chairgun but I guess you learn to live without them.

You can also export the recticle and I print it out in the size I need and rubber cement it inside my scope lens cap... When I flip it open then there it is for quick reference.

If you don't have the costly Microsoft Office with Excell there is the free Apache OpenOffice software for editing XLS documents and spreadsheets, etc.

Sky · « **Reply #87 on:** January 14, 2019, 10:10:34 PM »

Are you talking about the graphic that chairgun has of the trajectory? I haven't seen a way to do it. But the intercept charts are most helpful for me, I'm not looking at the picture.

rsterne · « **Reply #88 on:** January 14, 2019, 10:37:48 PM »

I found one of the most useful things in ChairGun was the diagonal lines on the trajectory chart that represented the MilDots…. You could see where those intercepted the trajectory, all at one glance, all on one graphic.... eg. 65 yds, was 1 MilDot down, 80 yds. was 2, 92 yds. was 3 and 100 yards was 4 Dots of holdover required.... I also used the Reticle view with the ranges beside the dots, I printed that, and taped it on my pellet tin.... I don't know if Strelok has a similar feature, I hope so.... Like this....

Bob

Sky · « **Reply #89 on:** January 14, 2019, 10:51:44 PM »

I never used that feature. I just used the charts, but I can totally get it, especially an all setups graph if you're looking air every shot. That makes more sense. The tin sticker is cool too. I've only used both on Android. So you are seeing chairgun things I never have.

aceflier · « **Reply #90 on:** January 15, 2019, 03:18:17 PM »

It can be done click on png save or print

Lefusil · « **Reply #91 on:** March 25, 2019, 12:03:16 PM »

Quote from: JungleShooter on January 08, 2019, 06:50:17 PM

🔶 However, what is missing sorely in both mobile ChairGun and Strelok is pellet BC calculation based on two chrono velocities.

Not sure if its what your looking for, but my ios chairgun mobile app has a BC calc in the toolbox area.
It is a bummer Hawke is no longer supporting ChairGun.

Deckard1973 · « **Reply #92 on:** March 25, 2019, 01:52:08 PM »

Just saw this.
I have been using the Lapua Ballistic app for my air rifle come ups.
Will have to confirm how close it is to reality this spring, once the snow melts.

Deckard1973 · « **Reply #93 on:** March 26, 2019, 04:42:46 PM »

I sent a message to the guys at Lapua.

Their CSR said he would pass it on to the engineers for consideration.

JungleShooter · « **Reply #94 on:** March 30, 2019, 10:10:29 AM »

Deckard1973,
thanks for contacting them!

I figure, the more calculators we have to choose from the better.

Though if ONE calculator did it all, that would be awesome.... (unlikely to find "ideal" in an unideal world — I'm going to enjoy heaven — won't have THAT problem there!).

MonsterMaxx · « **Reply #95 on:** March 30, 2019, 12:18:50 PM »

I would really like to learn how to use one of these. I've used chairgun, but never really taken it to conclusion.

I just ordered an Edgun R5M in .177 to use in FT. I've really got to learn this stuff, can't afford to waste pellets figuring out what the gun is going to do every time I go to the field.

Biggest problem is I don't shoot often enough to remember the rifle settings from one session to another. I need that dope on my scope so I don't have to remember.

Spring is here now, maybe I'll shoot more. But I've gotten deep into mountain biking and it's consuming a lot of my free time.

JungleShooter · « **Reply #96 on:** March 30, 2019, 12:49:04 PM »

MonsterMaxx,
congrats on your EDgun!! You sure will have some very nice shooting with that gun!

In your profile byline you share a personal problem, rampant around here:
"Is there an Airguns Anonymous Group?"
...

I think you just found the solution to that problem in your previous post...!

You wrote:

Quote from: MonsterMaxx on March 30, 2019, 12:18:50 PM

Spring is here now, maybe I'll shoot more. But I've gotten deep into mountain biking and it's consuming a lot of my free time.

Solution for airgun addicts:
Get into another hobby even more addictive than airgunning.

Wait?!?

...
WHAT?!!
A more addictive hobby than airgunning??
...
Doesn't exist.
Period.

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #97 on:** March 30, 2019, 12:57:57 PM »

Interesting that this 'old' thread got resurrected.
I was very disappointed that there was no interest from anyone to have SOMEONE, somewhere aquire the program (just as it was origionally aquired by Hawke) as it would have been a real resource and draw of new members to GTA. I would bet that multiple members have the skill to update and inovate the program.
It's everybodies loss that after a couple of Android updates it will eventually stop working.

Just yesterday, I went long range V-hunting with a friend and although we both have Strelok Pro on our phones we ended up using Chairgun because it was faster and easier to make changes as he was shooting (I'm spotter as I'm healing from shoulder surgery and can't shoot for s few more weeks). Strelok is great but it just is too slow to page back and forth to multiple pages to change this and that to see what the possibility is for changes that air rifle shooting requires in tuning our shots placement. In the competition to get answers I got it a minute and it took him twice as long. Chairgun has a useful niche and unless Strelok evolves eventually we will be missing Chairgun and this missed opportunity for both ourselves and GTA.

Quote from: MonsterMaxx on March 30, 2019, 12:18:50 PM

Spring is here now, maybe I'll shoot more. But I've gotten deep into mountain biking and it's consuming a lot of my free time.

Don't worry, if three different friends experience with mountain biking holds, you will have free time while bones heal, haha 😁

JungleShooter · « **Reply #98 on:** March 30, 2019, 04:49:46 PM »

As I wrote before, I am willing to do my part and donate $50+ to keep ChairGun functioning.

I'm sure there are others that would spend $10, $30, $80 to have continued use of this awesome program and app.

We have the forums to reach those people.
Who is on board — PRO ChairGun?!

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #99 on:** March 30, 2019, 05:06:27 PM »

I'll commit to $150 for Chairgun

I've contributed $250 to GTA in the last three years because I believe in the usefulness of the forum and want to have it's resources continue to be available for as many pneumatic shooters as possible.

If we got the hosting of Chairgun it would be awesome on so many levels.

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Could a group here take over Chairgun from Hawke?

Author Topic: Could a group here take over Chairgun from Hawke? (Read 12926 times))