Author Topic: Could a group here take over Chairgun from Hawke? (Read 12867 times))

Kinetic45^ · « **on:** December 31, 2018, 04:44:33 PM »

So Hawke scopes has discontinued Chairgun... they are recommending Strelok as an alternative. But Strelok does not run on PC, only smart phones and I will mention some other stuff below. Cutting to the chase:
In other things like aircraft owners groups or automobile groups or even a couple of software's that the origional company discontinued I have seen it negotiated and taken over by that interested group.

Why couldn't a GTA group aquire Chairgun from Hawke and keep it active? They might even GIVE it to us if we just ASK!

I have usedStrelok Pro and Chairgun both for years (used Chairgun before Hawke bought it!) and will sorely miss Chairgun because they DO NOT both have all the same capabilities.

Strelik is really set up for PB rifle shooting and does not have the drag law for GL (blunt projectile like round nose or HP big bore pistol bullets), GS (round ball) or GC ( cylinder, because shooting .357 wadcutters is done too... and SWC tend to calculate trajectories better with GC than G1!!!)

Also, the Chairgun app was easier to quickly change ranges and speeds in the field which is what I will miss the most.

Maybe we can convince Strelok to incorporate some if the missing Chairgun features in OR perhaps someone could take over Chairgun from Hawke.

If we do nothing a valuable resource will disappear.
Let's organize and try.
Or perhaps one of the vendors here could try to take it over?

stretch · « **Reply #1 on:** December 31, 2018, 05:13:09 PM »

https://www.hawkeoptics.com/chairgun-and-x-act-end-of-life.html

The way I read it, it's not that ChairGun has been discontinued, it's that they will no longer support or update it. You can still download the app from the page I linked to above. As long as you don't need anything fixed or changed in the app (and assuming they continue to maintain the link to download the software) this may not be a huge issue.

rsterne · « **Reply #2 on:** December 31, 2018, 06:14:18 PM »

Without contacting Hawke, we have no idea if they will continue offering ChairGun as a download after the end of December.... For sure they will not be updating it after that....

Bob

ShakySarge · « **Reply #3 on:** December 31, 2018, 07:04:16 PM »

As nice as it would be to take over Chairgun, it poses serious complications without a dedicated team to update the program. Not saying it isn't possible, just would be more difficult without an official "HQ" type building for them to work in. Now I understand that pellets are not added all the time to our arsenal. However, for an AG business owner or forum to take it over, it would certainly have to cover a whole lot more pellets. Someone would have to do all that as well and as with many small businesses, to do it on their own, there just isn't enough time in the day. Throw in a paid programmer to do the leg work and now the program will cost more money.

I just don't see it as feasible. Don't get me wrong, I use CG all the time, love it. However, there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes that would have to be accounted for as well.

K.O. · « **Reply #4 on:** December 31, 2018, 07:10:54 PM »

Heck I would be happy if Lapua decided to make a bunch of JSB and used it as an advertising tool... they already have the resources to improve Chairgun's custom profile with more data points and Doppler...

Free loaded with their pellets data..

still allowing the ability to create your own drag profiles would be nice...

There do seem to be some Eley wadcutters..

https://www.creedmoorsports.com/product/ELEY-177-449MM-VENTUS-PELLETS/Pellets

it is a decent little tool for estimation and education... but it could use updating for current state of the art...

I do wish that an industry leader does see that taking their customers seriously enough that they realize a good ballistics tool is very important and can drive sales...

just being able to get a broad understanding of what performance( trajectory/drift) they will get at 10-20-50 -100 yards etc. with a particular fpe/round is going to speed up the learning curve... and with the compression of range/velocity with air power well you need your customers to be able to understand that performance when going past PBR..

I mean Now we have more choices in heavy pellets and custom Pellets like NSA... The industry is taking some good steps in seeing air power more seriously as the useful tool it is... More precise info means more precise shots at more distance and Accuracy in the end is what sells...

K.O. · « **Reply #5 on:** December 31, 2018, 07:31:27 PM »

By the way... Thank you Hawke Optics for being one of those leaders and your contribution keeping it going this long...

rsterne · « **Reply #6 on:** December 31, 2018, 07:33:00 PM »

HEAR HEAR.... Three cheers for Hawke !!!!

Bob

ranchibi · « **Reply #7 on:** December 31, 2018, 07:37:52 PM »

More cheers for Hawke! Great app for sure

...hate to see it go extinct.

wll2506 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 31, 2018, 07:45:44 PM »

Quote from: K.O. on December 31, 2018, 07:31:27 PM

By the way... Thank you Hawke Optics for being one of those leaders and your contribution keeping it going this long...

I agree, it is my go to program for my airgun ballistic info.

wll

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #9 on:** December 31, 2018, 08:34:16 PM »

Quote from: stretch on December 31, 2018, 05:13:09 PM

https://www.hawkeoptics.com/chairgun-and-x-act-end-of-life.html

The way I read it, it's not that ChairGun has been discontinued, it's that they will no longer support or update it. You can still download the app from the page I linked to above. As long as you don't need anything fixed or changed in the app (and assuming they continue to maintain the link to download the software) this may not be a huge issue.

And yet when I tried to 'save' a copy on both my Windows 10 PC and my Window 10 notebook this morning from the Windows download link on that page it failed for both.
Note that I had Chairgun PC on my PC but recently suffered a catastrophic drive failure... sure my data was backed up but the programs were not and I had been using the Mobile app mostly anyway and had not tried to download a new copy until I needed the extra PC features.
The problem is that apps that are not maintained when Android updates stop working - since single individuals write apps and keep up with Android updates, again it does not need a team, just a knowledgeable coder who also is an airgunner.
I don't think it needs a team for the PC version, just hosting on a server somewhere (like GTA, for a small fee?). It's fairly mature program and does not need a lot of 'maintenance n upgrades', just hosting.

I know enough to know how it is done but not enough to do the details of doing it. We would need to locate that individualbwho can.
I'm willing to pay $12 or $14 a year for it just like I do Strelok Pro... consider how little that really is individually if we could hire an individual with the thousands who use Chairgun.

Back_Roads · « **Reply #10 on:** December 31, 2018, 08:40:02 PM »

Pyramyd Air sure could use a good ballistics program

rsterne · « **Reply #11 on:** December 31, 2018, 08:47:34 PM »

Ya think?.... Theirs uses a "constant drag coefficient" model....

Bob

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #12 on:** December 31, 2018, 08:48:36 PM »

Quote from: Back_Roads on December 31, 2018, 08:40:02 PM

Pyramyd Air sure could use a good ballistics program

Anyone got an 'in' or serious level contact at AOA or Pyramid, etc?

I KNOW! ~~MIKEY~~, NO, JSAR WILL EAT ANYTHING! Haha. 😉

It is just a matter of beating the bushes to something pops out!

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #13 on:** December 31, 2018, 09:04:12 PM »

Also, sent to igor@borisov.mobi who is Strelok (If we can't save Chairgun then we need to get a replacement that works the way we need).

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Please follow this link and see the conversation on Strelik inadequacys vs Chairgun.
Maybe you could consider what is missing in you app that a whole segment if the shooting community needs and fill the gap with some upgrades.
Signed, Kinetic45^, a long time Strelok Pro user/customer
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=152800.msg155680591#msg155680591

Carl the Joatmon

mobilehomer · « **Reply #14 on:** December 31, 2018, 11:28:16 PM »

Carl, I just saved Chairgun to my Win 10 laptop with no problem. If you need it, I can send the file to your e-mail.

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #15 on:** January 01, 2019, 01:23:02 AM »

Quote from: mobilehomer on December 31, 2018, 11:28:16 PM

Carl, I just saved Chairgun to my Win 10 laptop with no problem. If you need it, I can send the file to your e-mail.

PMed

guero_gordo · « **Reply #16 on:** January 01, 2019, 03:10:36 AM »

It would be nice if they open-sourced it, but I'm not sure enough dev's would be interested in the project to keep it alive

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #17 on:** January 01, 2019, 04:58:39 AM »

I got this:

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Igor Borisov Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 11:38 PM (3 hours ago)
I can add GS and GL drag models if you want

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #18 on:** January 01, 2019, 11:15:02 PM »

Igor has added GA, GL and GS to Strelok for us!

That's great customer service.

I am also talking to him about shot curves in pneumatic guns and maybe some other interesting features can be added later.

rsterne · « **Reply #19 on:** January 02, 2019, 01:18:29 AM »

That's great news, Carl.... I wonder if he can add a function to be able to input a custom drag profile.... If so, I hope it has lots of Cd input points, not the very few that ChairGun had.... That ability could be a precursor to being able to interface data from LabRadar with Strelok….

Bob

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Could a group here take over Chairgun from Hawke?

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