My Airmax Dominator - 44 shot string.

[mista meener]

If this rifle is advertised at 5 lbs but weighs 6.4, has anyone confirmed the very low advertised weight of a p15 @ 4.6 lbs?

My custom Marauder is 4.8 lbs,  and is a fully functional .25 caliber 19.5" barreled rifle. The thought of a 500$ rifle coming close to my weight amazes me but at the same time I have remained doubtful the weights were accurate knowing the extent of work I did to reduce all the weight on mine.

-Matt

the obsession with 5-6 lb guns makes me laugh. light guns very hard to hold steady. I am 65 and walk almost all day with over 9lb PB.  that is what slings are for. the Romans would march 25 miles a day with more then 40 lbs half of that tent poles etc. then dig trenches around the camp site and build a small city just for overnight. remains of these are still found. civil war guys average weight 140 lbs did the same. man up a little guys walking a couple of  100 yds to shoot a few squirrels then sitting most of the day with a 7- 8lb rifle will not kill you lol

[Wayne52]

Vince right now it's kind of a toss up weather or not I'll get a sling for it, my Marauder requires one, especially if I want to walk a long way with it but with the Dominator it really wouldn't be a problem for me.

[MonsterMaxx]

If this rifle is advertised at 5 lbs but weighs 6.4, has anyone confirmed the very low advertised weight of a p15 @ 4.6 lbs?

My custom Marauder is 4.8 lbs,  and is a fully functional .25 caliber 19.5" barreled rifle. The thought of a 500$ rifle coming close to my weight amazes me but at the same time I have remained doubtful the weights were accurate knowing the extent of work I did to reduce all the weight on mine.

-Matt

the obsession with 5-6 lb guns makes me laugh. light guns very hard to hold steady. I am 65 and walk almost all day with over 9lb PB.  that is what slings are for. the Romans would march 25 miles a day with more then 40 lbs half of that tent poles etc. then dig trenches around the camp site and build a small city just for overnight. remains of these are still found. civil war guys average weight 140 lbs did the same. man up a little guys walking a couple of  100 yds to shoot a few squirrels then sitting most of the day with a 7- 8lb rifle will not kill you lol

Most guys like us 6' tall 200+lb men are fine w/ an extra pound or two.  My rifles (see sig) weigh between 8.5lbs and 9.9lbs with my favorite being the Impact and the heaviest.  My PB hunting rifle used to be an AR10, but after a season of climbing in and out of stands I 'downgraded' to a Winchester Model 88 which weighs scoped and loaded right at 8.5lbs ready to shoot, if I remember right, the AR10 was around 11.5 or 12lbs.  And it makes a big difference.  Not so much carrying it, but climbing in and out of those tree stands and trying not to make a bunch of noise.

And for some little 110 lb girl it might be a whole different story.  That two pounds could be significant.  A smaller lighter rifle could make or break the experience.  It's too bad these aren't really 5lbs.  I can see setting one up for wifey (5'2" & 110lbs) and her actually liking it.  I can say for sure if I'd bought one for her thinking it were 5lbs and having it come out nearly two pounds heavier I would be returning it as it's just not suitable for the application.

Some folks won't care, others will.  IMHO they would have every right to as well.

[Wayne52]

Robin it's funny most all my airguns I normally carry with one hand when I'm going somewhere relocating, airguns have spoiled me that way, my Mrod is a bit much with one hand but my Dominator I'm finding myself carrying it with one and but after a while I have to use two hands.  I remember the the days carrying my Remington Zouave way back in the swamps, and dragging a dear a half mile along with my rifle, it would wear on me now but I could do it if I had to.

[smythsg]

HaHa Vince, I to am 65 years old and I walked 7.5 miles on today's hunt (per the gps I carry). What I have found is the heavier the gun, the less I just enjoy the hunt. It's not that I can't do what the Romans did, just that a 8 lb fully outfitted rifle lets me enjoy myself more that a 10 lb fully outfitted rifle during those last couple of miles back to the truck...

The P12 is about 9 lbs, the M16 about 8 lbs, and the M10 about 10 lbs. Those extra couple lbs didn't bother me too much when I was 55, but I sure notice them more at 65..

[USAFANG6799]

I'd bet you found very few 60 something Roman soldiers alive back then.

[Wayne52]

I basically retired from my regular job when I was 59 1/2 (as soon as I could get my pension), at the time I was 270lbs, and took up metal detecting in the woods mostly for my full time job after that.  That gut that I had went away in a hurry and I've been about 220 ever since.  I sure ain't got the muscle like I did at one time but I'll be 65 in Dec and I sure feel completely different now than when I was 55.  Age catches up with us all, I am trying to stick with the use it or loose it theory and so far so good.

[mista meener]

If this rifle is advertised at 5 lbs but weighs 6.4, has anyone confirmed the very low advertised weight of a p15 @ 4.6 lbs?

My custom Marauder is 4.8 lbs,  and is a fully functional .25 caliber 19.5" barreled rifle. The thought of a 500$ rifle coming close to my weight amazes me but at the same time I have remained doubtful the weights were accurate knowing the extent of work I did to reduce all the weight on mine.

-Matt

the obsession with 5-6 lb guns makes me laugh. light guns very hard to hold steady. I am 65 and walk almost all day with over 9lb PB.  that is what slings are for. the Romans would march 25 miles a day with more then 40 lbs half of that tent poles etc. then dig trenches around the camp site and build a small city just for overnight. remains of these are still found. civil war guys average weight 140 lbs did the same. man up a little guys walking a couple of  100 yds to shoot a few squirrels then sitting most of the day with a 7- 8lb rifle will not kill you lol

Most guys like us 6' tall 200+lb men are fine w/ an extra pound or two.  My rifles (see sig) weigh between 8.5lbs and 9.9lbs with my favorite being the Impact and the heaviest.  My PB hunting rifle used to be an AR10, but after a season of climbing in and out of stands I 'downgraded' to a Winchester Model 88 which weighs scoped and loaded right at 8.5lbs ready to shoot, if I remember right, the AR10 was around 11.5 or 12lbs.  And it makes a big difference.  Not so much carrying it, but climbing in and out of those tree stands and trying not to make a bunch of noise.

And for some little 110 lb girl it might be a whole different story.  That two pounds could be significant.  A smaller lighter rifle could make or break the experience.  It's too bad these aren't really 5lbs.  I can see setting one up for wifey (5'2" & 110lbs) and her actually liking it.  I can say for sure if I'd bought one for her thinking it were 5lbs and having it come out nearly two pounds heavier I would be returning it as it's just not suitable for the application.

Some folks won't care, others will.  IMHO they would have every right to as well.

  I agree a 12lb AR 10 is for the bench I have one that is 10lbs with a small scope with a sling not bad for shorter walks. the  thing with light guns  that are hard to hold steady is that to get a good one that is light drives the cost high being expensive metals have to be used.

[mista meener]

I'd bet you found very few 60 something Roman soldiers alive back then.

LOL average life expectancy in Roman times was like 45 for everyone so that don't mean much. but a lot of Roman emperors that were soldiers then commanders lived past 60.   I remember seeing many 80-90 year old civil war vets who almost matched the Romans in videos hobbling along in memorial day parades and I have saw countless hard working people for the last 50 years outlast those who never did any hard work

[mista meener]

I basically retired from my regular job when I was 59 1/2 (as soon as I could get my pension), at the time I was 270lbs, and took up metal detecting in the woods mostly for my full time job after that.  That gut that I had went away in a hurry and I've been about 220 ever since.  I sure ain't got the muscle like I did at one time but I'll be 65 in Dec and I sure feel completely different now than when I was 55.  Age catches up with us all, I am trying to stick with the use it or loose it theory and so far so good.

that is great you lost that weight and feel as good as you can for 65 that is my age also. worked 50 years framing houses roofing and concrete work and I can still do around  half of what I had done

[mista meener]

HaHa Vince, I to am 65 years old and I walked 7.5 miles on today's hunt (per the gps I carry). What I have found is the heavier the gun, the less I just enjoy the hunt. It's not that I can't do what the Romans did, just that a 8 lb fully outfitted rifle lets me enjoy myself more that a 10 lb fully outfitted rifle during those last couple of miles back to the truck...

The P12 is about 9 lbs, the M16 about 8 lbs, and the M10 about 10 lbs. Those extra couple lbs didn't bother me too much when I was 55, but I sure notice them more at 65..

yes a 10lb rifle when you walk that much is a pain to carry at 65  a sling helps a lot. what kind of hunting do you do with a PCP  where you walk that far? sounds like an elk hunt lol

[smythsg]

HaHa, no Elk, but I do see many deer, bobcats, pigs, yotes, occational pole cat, squirrels, doves... a plethora of small and medium game. It is still not legal to hunt deer in GA with an airgun but pigs and yotes are ok and all small game. The area I hunt is a 14,000+ acre WMA about 17 miles north of my home and it is overrun with old logging trails. I like to move constantly (mostly for the exercise) and stalk hunt primarily. I used to do up to 12 miles on a daily hunt with a Hatsan BT65 (12+ lbs) plus a small pack and that was brutal, but I can't carry that much weight more than a couple miles any more and still have fun. The P12 is great on these type hunts (yes I do have a sling on all my rifles) and the Dominator will be even better if I can get the power up to where I want it.

[ackuric]

If this rifle is advertised at 5 lbs but weighs 6.4, has anyone confirmed the very low advertised weight of a p15 @ 4.6 lbs?

My custom Marauder is 4.8 lbs,  and is a fully functional .25 caliber 19.5" barreled rifle. The thought of a 500$ rifle coming close to my weight amazes me but at the same time I have remained doubtful the weights were accurate knowing the extent of work I did to reduce all the weight on mine.

-Matt

the obsession with 5-6 lb guns makes me laugh. light guns very hard to hold steady. I am 65 and walk almost all day with over 9lb PB.  that is what slings are for. the Romans would march 25 miles a day with more then 40 lbs half of that tent poles etc. then dig trenches around the camp site and build a small city just for overnight. remains of these are still found. civil war guys average weight 140 lbs did the same. man up a little guys walking a couple of  100 yds to shoot a few squirrels then sitting most of the day with a 7- 8lb rifle will not kill you lol

These kind of remarks make me fall out of my seat. I could not for the life of me shoot off hand while shooting standing with the stock marauder at 7.3 lbs / 9.3 lbs scoped, my rifle is now 4.8 lbs / 6.8 scoped and I can shoot within a dime while standing up. The old marauder @ 7.3 lbs stock is purely a bench rest rifle, and is well known by the community as such.

You're 65 and speak to others this way? Sigh. I take 5 mile+ hikes through 6-8k elevations in the mountains while carrying tons of gear, every lb I can save only makes the hobby more enjoyable.

You're right though, a 7-8 lb (which I have now, scoped) rifle will not kill me, but my old 10 lb rifle did!

I for one am glad a lot of the newer air guns coming out are shaving/saving weight! Streamline = 6.3#, Dominator = 6#~, p15 = 4-5#, and many people are jumping at them and a good amount of people do it for the weight!

-Matt

[mista meener]

If this rifle is advertised at 5 lbs but weighs 6.4, has anyone confirmed the very low advertised weight of a p15 @ 4.6 lbs?

My custom Marauder is 4.8 lbs,  and is a fully functional .25 caliber 19.5" barreled rifle. The thought of a 500$ rifle coming close to my weight amazes me but at the same time I have remained doubtful the weights were accurate knowing the extent of work I did to reduce all the weight on mine.

-Matt

the obsession with 5-6 lb guns makes me laugh. light guns very hard to hold steady. I am 65 and walk almost all day with over 9lb PB.  that is what slings are for. the Romans would march 25 miles a day with more then 40 lbs half of that tent poles etc. then dig trenches around the camp site and build a small city just for overnight. remains of these are still found. civil war guys average weight 140 lbs did the same. man up a little guys walking a couple of  100 yds to shoot a few squirrels then sitting most of the day with a 7- 8lb rifle will not kill you lol

These kind of remarks make me fall out of my seat. I could not for the life of me shoot off hand while shooting standing with the stock marauder at 7.3 lbs / 9.3 lbs scoped, my rifle is now 4.8 lbs / 6.8 scoped and I can shoot within a dime while standing up. The old marauder @ 7.3 lbs stock is purely a bench rest rifle, and is well known by the community as such.

You're 65 and speak to others this way? Sigh. I take 5 mile+ hikes through 6-8k elevations in the mountains while carrying tons of gear, every lb I can save only makes the hobby more enjoyable.

You're right though, a 7-8 lb (which I have now, scoped) rifle will not kill me, but my old 10 lb rifle did!

I for one am glad a lot of the newer air guns coming out are shaving/saving weight! Streamline = 6.3#, Dominator = 6#~, p15 = 4-5#, and many people are jumping at them and a good amount of people do it for the weight!

-Matt

I knew when I made that remark I would get a pile of guys that walk many  miles with heavy gear in their sixties lol. if you can hold a light rifle offhand and shoot it better then a heavier rifle go against everything I have saw and all the offhand Olympic match shooters with 10lb  + pellet and 22 rifles. if it was easier to shoot a light rifle offhand I am sure they would be using them

[mista meener]

HaHa, no Elk, but I do see many deer, bobcats, pigs, yotes, occational pole cat, squirrels, doves... a plethora of small and medium game. It is still not legal to hunt deer in GA with an airgun but pigs and yotes are ok and all small game. The area I hunt is a 14,000+ acre WMA about 17 miles north of my home and it is overrun with old logging trails. I like to move constantly (mostly for the exercise) and stalk hunt primarily. I used to do up to 12 miles on a daily hunt with a Hatsan BT65 (12+ lbs) plus a small pack and that was brutal, but I can't carry that much weight more than a couple miles any more and still have fun. The P12 is great on these type hunts (yes I do have a sling on all my rifles) and the Dominator will be even better if I can get the power up to where I want it.

have you killed any pigs with a PCP? which one did you use? yes the BT 65 is real heavy

[mista meener]

HaHa, no Elk, but I do see many deer, bobcats, pigs, yotes, occational pole cat, squirrels, doves... a plethora of small and medium game. It is still not legal to hunt deer in GA with an airgun but pigs and yotes are ok and all small game. The area I hunt is a 14,000+ acre WMA about 17 miles north of my home and it is overrun with old logging trails. I like to move constantly (mostly for the exercise) and stalk hunt primarily. I used to do up to 12 miles on a daily hunt with a Hatsan BT65 (12+ lbs) plus a small pack and that was brutal, but I can't carry that much weight more than a couple miles any more and still have fun. The P12 is great on these type hunts (yes I do have a sling on all my rifles) and the Dominator will be even better if I can get the power up to where I want it.

yes the last mile is always brutal even when young. when I was on horses some were lazy until they saw the barn sometimes more then a mile away and they would speed up knowing they were to eat and rest . the opposite of what hunters do

[Hoop]

Well as some of you probably already know I  had to do some tinkering with this gun right out of the box to get it right.  All in all I'm really liking the gun even though there was some bad assembly from the factory in the trigger mecha.  The lever on mine right now is very smooth after close to 100 shots.  I think this gun is going to be good for medium sized game up to 50 yards after I eventually turn the regulator up.

All in all I feel as though I bought a winner, time will tell for sure.  Basically these guns are fresh on the market anyway here in the U.S. and I haven't really seen anything about them on youtube as far as anyone shooting one.  Well hopefully by this weekend I'll be out in the woods with it, my scope rings and more pellets will be here Friday for a possible maiden voyage on Saturday

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Hey Wayne. Thanks for sharing.

Did you ever turn up the regulator or try shooting unregulated? If so, how much more fps?

Can you offer some pros & cons with your experience of this airgun so far?

Is that the Unbottled version in .22? If so, what is the tank size? Is it Aluminum or Titanium?

My son is looking into buying one of these, but It's hard to get much information from Mike at Mrodair. He's likely very busy, but it would help if they posted the basic specs like fps, shots per fill, and correct weight. He's trying to decide between this or the P15, but doesn't have the time to review forums.

From what I've read, it will need a better regulator, stronger hammer spring, more effective moderator, and superglue (lol). What else do you imagine it will need.

My son wants something very light with a magazine that'll shoot 875 to 950 fps. Do you think the P15 might be better, or is that one experiencing just as many issues?

If the P12 was a multishot and lighter, he'd probably love it.

Would love your thoughts. Thanks much!

[Hoop]

Looking good Wayne, now everyone will want your junk gun...

I tried some different pellets in my .25 cal Dominator this afternoon with interesting results. The AA 25.39 pellets were one ragged hole at 35 yards which I had already tested. I tried some 31 gn Grizzly pellets and they did not shot very well, then moved to H&N Baracuda and was back to one ragged hole at 35 yards. Finally tried Crosman 27.8 gn pellets and they looked like a shotgun pattern. I did not change the scope settings from zero with the AA 25.39, and interestingly enough the 31 gn Cudas POI was the same as the AA at 35 yards.  Shooting the Cudas the rifle was producing right at 40 ft lbs, so I know it is capable of what you are looking for.

I am looking to get a minimum of 50 ft lbs out of mine, so like you, waiting on more regulator information. I have done full fills with my Dominator but the bigger lead holds me to about 3 1/2 9 shot mags before it falls off the regulator.

Steve,

Is yours the un-bottled version? If so, what fps numbers are you getting in .25 cal?

Have you turned up the regulator or are you using the stock setting?

Take a look at the questions I had for Wayne on my prior post to this thread. Should be just above this one. I'm really glad to have you & Wayne to chat with about this. You are both very friendly & helpful.

Thanks much, Tom

[Hoop]

Knife,

My bottled Airmax Dominator MKII weighs in at 6.53 pounds without the supplied LDC.

With the supplied LDC it is 6.71 pounds.

No scope, no magazine. Just the rifle itself.

Well then, even SPA screwed the pooch on this one. The specs for the M16A on the Artemis website put weight at 2.5kg or 5.5lb....

They were much closer with the M16 at 3kg or 6.6lb. Mine came in at 6.4oz without LDC.

Mike should up date his website, 5lb is not even in the ball park.....

John,

Thanks for those numbers. Is the M16A the one without the bottle and the M16 the Mark II in your comments?

I asked Mike a very specific & direct question on the weight numbers for the Dominator and the P15 and he gave me a very vague & indirect response...(Sept 8th) he said, "Both are much lighter than advertised, but haven't put the bare gun on the scales"

Does anybody know how much does the M16A (non-bottled version) really weighs? My son wants a very lightweight airgun. Not that 6.4 is heavy, but he's trying to compare Dominator M16A with the P15 feature by feature. Not an easy task.

Do you think that Mike keeps things vague so that there will be a lot of chatter in the forums? If so, Its kind of genius, but unprofessional. It's also a two edged sword when problems with the product are discussed. It is always best to under-sell & over-deliver than to over-sell and un-deliver. It is the later that kills the sale as well as any repeat/referral business that comes from exceeding a customer's expectations.

My son doesn't have time to research what could easily be provided because most of his time is spent working.

[Hoop]

Hey Mike, do you have any information yet on adjusting the regulators for the M16?

Did he ever respond to you?
I take it that there are no instructions that come with the airgun. Same is likely true on the P 15.

Did you get any instructions at all?