Author Topic: Under Lever's - Crosman wants your input (Read 47003 times))

flyer · « **Reply #60 on:** March 27, 2011, 05:35:46 PM »

Quote from: North Pack on March 27, 2011, 04:12:41 PM

Flyer, - a LOT of folks who know/like & VERY much enjoy air guns could never afford what you're suggesting. - The higher the price goes, the fewer folks that can or will buy it.

My friend the common practice shows that all "heart broken" airgunners always try to possess a good gun - most of them have spend hard earned money to buy a pile of mediocrities while dreaming to have something better for themshelves. Airgunning is a passion and as such is not always subject to logic - there are a lot of examples in the market where high priced airguns are sold on a daily basis - maby not in great numbers as the others but there is always a public for them. Weihrauchs, Air Arms, Daystates, Theobens, FXs, Falcons and other products are not cheap - they are now and will continue to be highly desirable for a lot of people. The point here is to make something better with the existing experience and technology using clever ideas and innovations with the final cost in mind - not to reproduce other's brands copies or bad projects - this would not be progress but a "colorless", "tasteless" conservative approach or even return to the past. I have to admit that this is not an easy step for a company but in our days what makes a good airgun is known to everybody even to the most ignorant. Thank God there are a lot of choices for all of us - I am sorry but I cannot close my eyes and pretend that an inferior product is better only because it's cheaper. I know was it is and what it can offer at its best - however if I want something better I know where to look for and I am also prepared to pay its price.

North Pack · « **Reply #61 on:** March 27, 2011, 05:49:21 PM »

The gun you want/describe flyer my friend, then probably already exits. - Maybe the poor unwashed masses should have a chance at something new that they could afford. Crosman is basically a Ford-Chevy type of operation in the air-gun business. That's their market place & they know it. Frankly, they do an excellent job, - don't fix something that ain't broke.

3ants · « **Reply #62 on:** March 27, 2011, 06:08:30 PM »

unwashed dont forget a good sling for carring it

yote300wsm · « **Reply #63 on:** March 27, 2011, 06:15:11 PM »

flyer, here's my analogy, A $100k BMW sports coupe may be nice, but my Z-06 Corvette will blow its doors off in both performance and handling for half the money. Jmo.

AirScopes · « **Reply #64 on:** March 27, 2011, 07:32:59 PM »

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Crosman is basically a Ford-Chevy type of operation in the air-gun business. That's their market place & they know it. Frankly, they do an excellent job

I have a Remington Vantage 1200. At just under $100, it was a pretty fabulous buy. light, good wood, solid, powerful, good accuracy. I'm afraid I have spent 3, 4 and 5 times as much on guns just as good. Crosman does a wonderful job of keeping the price down which they can do with their volume and market share and resources. Something tells me that if they want to get a nice gun put together with a lot of features, they can probably do it and do it for less than other manufacturers who do a smaller volume and have fewer resources.

They were looking for suggestions, not a road map. I think all suggestions are valid, as they can then decide what fits their model -- something they know quite a lot better than onlookers. Why not ask for the moon? I didn't see a price limit on what they have in mind.

Richard

Mark 611 · « **Reply #65 on:** March 28, 2011, 10:08:45 AM »

Crosman is very capable of building a world class air rifle on the quality level of AA an HW, for alot less money. The importers of these types of AG's are who keep the prices up on them, I don't know if any of you have looked but Crosman did post the same question on the yellow, and the vast majority of folks over there have givin a similar imput to what flyer and I and others think on this idea of this possible new rifle, we all have different tastes in what we like in an AG, and money can be a factor when buying one, I don't own a Crosman AG accept the M- Rod I had awhile back but sold it, Their guns are not up to the quality of what they could be to make them world class. I think its time Crosman steps up their game and they could reach a whole new market of people with a higher quality of AG, that isan't gonna be out of reach for people to own who buy what they sell right now you'll just have to save your pennies alittle longer thats all, Flyer, didn't give them a road map hes just telling them what should be expected in a good rifle thats all and hes not the only one either! Crosman sells enough lesser expensive AG to the market already, Time to up the game Crosman.

AirScopes · « **Reply #66 on:** March 28, 2011, 10:16:17 AM »

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Flyer, didn't give them a road map hes just telling them what should be expected in a good rifle

That is what I hoped I said. Crosman was not looking for a roadmap, just suggestions. Give them all the suggestions, and they pick what they want.

North Pack · « **Reply #67 on:** March 28, 2011, 10:56:45 AM »

They already have a very nice/comfortable spot market wise, - not everyone wants a Mercedes. - Personally I like Crosman products, and frankly buying higher doesn't present a problem, - just not going to do it. With them or anyone else. "For the money involved" (key) they put out a very decent product. - There are already a number of "high end" air gun manufacturers & distributors around, - simply buy what you need/want from one of them.

Mark 611 · « **Reply #68 on:** March 28, 2011, 11:22:38 AM »

Why not keep the money in this country instead of sending it over seas!

AirScopes · « **Reply #69 on:** March 28, 2011, 11:26:48 AM »

If Crosman is based in the US and they profit, the money does stay here.

Mark 611 · « **Reply #70 on:** March 28, 2011, 11:52:17 AM »

I know that and that is my point! Nobody in this country builds a gun like HW or AA in this country and to be told to look else where your telling me to look to over seas companys, and most of Crosmans products come from forign countrys anyway, My out look is American workers American Jobs, I don't like seeing my money going to other countrys when these type of air guns can be made right here in the good ole U.S of A, at less cost for everybody to enjoy here.

North Pack · « **Reply #71 on:** March 28, 2011, 11:54:43 AM »

This is getting off-topic, ... original question was about "suggestions" on a new under-lever (I think) ...

ericclarkbandit · « **Reply #72 on:** March 28, 2011, 03:10:40 PM »

For me an underlever from crosman is simple. Take a B40 and put a gas ram in it and knock off 2 pounds. After shooting gas rams in my opinion springs don't have a place anymore.
Eric

CitySniper · « **Reply #73 on:** March 28, 2011, 03:38:02 PM »

I guess who types the most words knows the most... lol

lillysdad621 · « **Reply #74 on:** March 28, 2011, 09:59:01 PM »

what about getting the trail NP as an underlever... same performance and available in .177. Like a poorman's HW97k thumbhole. dont you guys worry about the tuning... we'll manage that. keep it priced reasonably and you'll see a lot of them turn up at HFT events...

Nightstalker · « **Reply #75 on:** March 29, 2011, 11:17:47 AM »

I'm from Canada and I hope it's similar to the HW97K and shoots in .22 cal between 800-900 fps and also have a Non PAL rated version for Bob as well like they do with all the rest of the guns we have here.Even HW has the 97K under 500 fps model for those with No PAL.I have mine, so I'm all for the full power he he!

I'd buy a Crosman underlever today if there was one available and Made in the Good Ole US of A!

Thanks

P/S: And Thanks for asking Chip and Please give us all another reason to Love Crosman he he!!!

rsterne · « **Reply #76 on:** March 29, 2011, 11:30:24 AM »

I have my PAL too.... I'm just thinking of the thousands of Canadian airgunners who don't....

Bob

jmdavis984 · « **Reply #77 on:** March 29, 2011, 12:50:18 PM »

My criteria for an underlever (not fond of side-levers)
Nitro Piston
Open sights
Weaver scope rail
Wood stock
Light weight (under 8 lbs)
12-20 FPE

Priced under $200 and you have yourself a gold mine.

Nightstalker · « **Reply #78 on:** March 29, 2011, 01:10:59 PM »

I kind of figured you would Bob,,but didn't want to assume he he.It's nice though as there are many that don't, so having the 500fps version would surely sell a lot of rifles.

Thanks,

Troy

I'm not much of a sidelever lover myself.Underlever all the way.

North Pack · « **Reply #79 on:** March 29, 2011, 05:53:21 PM »

Something like this in .22 cal? .... Only I would add a multi-shot magazine, that automatically indexed every time it was cocked.
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