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Title: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 08, 2020, 08:07:31 PM: I’ve got zero mechanical ability. I have a 1322 that was working great. About500 pellets thru it. Tonight it looks like the 1322 is just burping the pellets out. I can see them at a bit out of the muzzle and just hit the ground.

Not sure how to even start diagnosing the issue.

Any really step by step help is appreciated

OK - now I see by using a hanger that the pellets aren’t leaving the barrel after I pull the trigger. I’m pumping to 10 and it feels just like it did when working. I’m stumped.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 08, 2020, 08:51:19 PM: Without using a pellet:

1. Pump up the pistol.

2. Is it loud? --> probable good air flow and working.

3. If not so loud, cock and fire again without pumping --> same low report

4. Repeat #3, until no air --> possible some sort of hammer hangup or hammer spring dragging on rear cap screws.

Or, less likely on stock 13xx, possible valve lock.

Next idea presenter?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 08, 2020, 08:55:11 PM: Have you been oiling the gun at all? Or maybe over oiling it?
is air blowing past the bolt oring when you fire the gun.... where you put the pellet in.
Have you tried cocking the gun before you pump it?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 08, 2020, 09:29:06 PM: I’ve shot about 500 pellets thru 1322 in about 1 year. I’ve oiled it with pell oil. Sparingly.

I’ve pumped it but haven’t tried cocking before pump. I doubt it will make any difference.

I don’t feel air blowing out of the gun where I put in the pellet, although the cocking lever slides in so I don’t think I’d feel it. The gun shot 2 pellets well and then took a dump. I thought it was unusual that I was missing so many shots, then I saw the pellet burp out a few times. Now the pellet never leaves the barrel. I have to push it out with a hanger back to the cocking port.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 08, 2020, 09:34:16 PM: Quote from: CraigH on July 08, 2020, 08:51:19 PM
Without using a pellet:

1. Pump up the pistol. - DID THAT.

2. Is it loud? --> probable good air flow and working. YES LOUD.

3. If not so loud, cock and fire again without pumping --> same low report N/A
4. Repeat #3, until no air --> possible some sort of hammer hangup or hammer spring dragging on rear cap screws. - TRIED THAT. WITH NO PUMP VERY LOW REPORT.

Or, less likely on stock 13xx, possible valve lock.

WHAT DO I TAKE APART TO TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT? The pellet now doesn’t leave barrel. I took a wire hanger and clipped in into a ramrod in order to push the pellet back to cocking lever to get it out.

I also took paper towel and pushed it down the barrel a few times. It looked dirty/black when I pulled out the paper towel wad after raking it from barrel end to cocking lever port.

Next idea presenter?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: birdmove on July 08, 2020, 10:47:36 PM: I imagine you could pay a tissue over they reach where you place the pellet. Pump it up, and fire it, while watching the tissue. If the tissue blows off or puffs up, the air could be leaking by that little I'don't on the bolt.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Bentong on July 08, 2020, 11:09:10 PM: Could be the pump cup or the valve o-rings preventing build up of pressure while pumping.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: bantam5s on July 08, 2020, 11:59:38 PM: You say it feels just like it did, so does that mean it's taking the same amount of effort to pump as it did before ?
It starts off easy to pump then gets harder with each pump stroke?

If so then it is building pressure for sure.

Try firing it and feeling for air coming from between the breech and tube, maybe your transfer port seal went bad or the breech screw got loose and came out at some point.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Stinger177 on July 09, 2020, 12:09:37 AM: You didn't state the age of the gun. Is it a recent purchase, or maybe something that just came out of the closet and back into action?

As bantam5s asked, does it get harder to pump with successive strokes? That info would help to determine if it's a pump cup issue or a valve issue.

:D
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 09, 2020, 12:30:33 AM: It gets harder to pump from 1 to 10 pumps. It was working fine until this evening. It’s about 9 months old and I’ve fired about 500-600 pellets through it. Oiled lightly about 1-2 times before it failed. Last oiling was about 4 months ago.

I was using Ruger heavy .22 pointed pellets for the Past week. Wondering if that pellet (shot about 15-20 of them) over the Past week.

I’ll check out the tissue tomorrow and report back.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 09, 2020, 09:18:53 AM: I did the tissue test. The tissue ‘puffs’ up a little. So how do I fix the pistol?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 09, 2020, 09:26:11 AM: I suppose I’ll need to disassemble the pistol.

What do I use to take out the screws marked in the picture?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 09, 2020, 09:49:44 AM: Ok, to answer all prior questions
1. The 1322 was purchased NEW in October 2019 Not used much over winter. Perhaps 500-600 pellets shot from it over that time.

2. Worked great, until pellet #3 was shot yesterday afternoon. Then I discovered the pellets were ‘shooting’ out but I could see them go out 20 feet then drop. After about 3-5 of that happening the pellets stopped leaving the barrel and I had to take a wire hanger and push them back to the breach to get them out.

3. Oil - probably one time prior to yesterday’s disaster. I did oil it yesterday after it failed to see if that would do anything. No joy.

4. I did the tissue test. I see the tissue puff slightly. I looked at the breach and I see what looks like the barrel lifted - see picture.

5. So I’m stumped. What do I need to take apart? I see I can buy a new one on Amazon for $59. Will parts needed and time (no experience) in taking pistol apart etc be worth it? I’m not a modder other than changing the Trigger spring for easier trigger pull and a quick release pin for the carbine stock (I did that months ago so that’s not the issue that caused current malfunction).

Here’s a picture of the barrel at the breach. I’m no expert but is the screw that I see - barrel slightly ‘up’ - causing the current problem? If yes, what’s a step by step fix.

Thanks to all responders.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 09, 2020, 10:13:46 AM: The TP appears to be misaligned as shown in the image. The grip frame does not need to be removed.

To remove the barrel/breech assembly, two fasteners are removed. One is holding the rear sight - easy enough - loosen this first. The other is the small hex screw seen when the bolt is retracted. Use a quality 0.050" allen key which fits well and ensure it is fully into the screw. Hold the front of the breech firmly down when removing this small machine screw.

A new TP seal will likely be needed due to the misalignment.

To begin assembly, first loosely insert the rear sight screw.

When assembling, ensure the barrel, breech, and TP are well and properly aligned. A firm grip is needed on the front of the breech to insert the small front machine screw while the assembly is in alignment. A good feel is needed to properly tighten this small screw. When the front is down and tightened, tighten the rear screw.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 09, 2020, 10:26:13 AM: Thanks for the response and instructions.

Just out of curiosity, are the screws on the grip hex screws? If yes, what size hex wrench is needed to open them?

Assuming I need a new TP seal where do I get one and how much do they cost?

Since the pistol is less than 1 year old I assume there’s some Crosman warranty. Tried calling Crosman today but the auto attendant choices did not work on my phone or my wife’s. I assume their system is ‘broken’.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 09, 2020, 10:30:14 AM: You'll need parts 8 and 9 from the diagram above. You will need the parts list for the numbers. I would be surprised if they cost much more than $1 each with $4 shipping. As a suggestion, I would also order a couple spares of the small screw #5.
Would someone kindly put up the part number list? I am at work and our IT department has such sites blocked.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 09, 2020, 11:21:12 AM: The grip frame side plate screws are 1/16" allen head.

The pistol does have a warranty. But like all, or at least most, good until needed. :D The pistol would have to be sent to Crosman or an approved warranty station. So for this simple repair it may be best to DIY. But does not hurt to ask the customer service staff member if they will complementarily send the parts - I have had than happen.

Here are the parts:

130-036 --- Face Seal The TP seal -- Get a couple
1322A026 --- Sleeve The transfer port -- Probably not needed, but good to have
1333B027 --- Screw, Breech The front small 4-48 machine screw -- Get a couple

Here is the location of EVP's (Parts Manuals)

https://support.crosman.com/hc/en-us/categories/200223634-Owner-s-Manuals-and-Parts-Diagrams
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 09, 2020, 11:22:12 AM: Thanks Craig..... that should help him out.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 09, 2020, 01:46:08 PM: Also, there are several vids on youtube for 1322 disassembly and rebuild.
Mike,
The 1322 is, by far, the Easiest, and most basic airgun to learn how to work on.
It is also one of the most popular guns to modify and upgrade.
Many of us refer to them as "Lego-guns" and learned basic airgunsmithing on them.
Parts are cheap when ordering from Crosman but you MUST have all your part numbers ready when you call them.
You might even want to consider making it into a carbine with a 1399 shoulder stock, and 12 or 14" barrel.
(Which BTW, will increase both power and accuracy)
Have fun with it and learning how to rebuild it.
And welcome to the Rabbit hole, LOL !
You are EXACTLY at the same point that MANY OF US HERE started at.
Cheers
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 09, 2020, 03:14:30 PM: Looks like yout barrel is turned or not aligned over the transfer port. You may be able to disassemble and realign without purchasing parts, but working with Crosman and ordering from them is fun! That said, if you take apart your gun any further you are more than halfway down the road to modding. It is difficult to turn back. Make sure you are safe. Make sure all the air is out of the gun and wear safety glasses.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 09, 2020, 03:24:13 PM: LOL..... bunch of dang enablers.

Welcome to the GTA, S2Kohio (Mike).

BTW..... I was born and raised just east of you in Ashtabula.... but that was many years ago.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 09, 2020, 08:04:14 PM: If I go with the longer barrel what would be the foot pounds of energy Increase?

From stock 1322

From 1322 12” barrel

From 1322 14” barrel

My goal is getting rid of squirrels and chipmunks.

I hit the grey squirrels but sometimes it seems they are wearing bulletproof fur.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 09, 2020, 08:19:12 PM: Mike, if you've been hitting squirrels with the 1322 and the pellets were bouncing off then there has been a problem with your gun for some time now.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Bentong on July 09, 2020, 08:31:25 PM: pssstt.. grey nutters don't wear bulletproof in the head. While you're in the look out for longer barrel..might as well make a shopping list. Once you short out the power issue, you install a longer barrel then you'll find out it's moving from the plastic breech then you'll want a metal breech. Now that it's stable you'll want pinpoint accuracy and you'll want a scope. Now that you got accuracy..you want to shoot farther and add a flat top. With all the power now it's barking louder and you'll want an LDC to quiet it down. With all that done, you'll want more pellets.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 09, 2020, 09:08:49 PM: Can’t do all that modding because the louder it gets the neighbors will get nutty. The small pop from the 1322 & 1377 is quiet enough that no one knows what I’m doing.

Last year cost me $1000 to get rid squirrels that infested my garage ceiling.

Don’t think I need a scope since I’m deadly with the iron sights. I just need more power.

How much louder is this with a 12 or 14” barrel?
And in replacing the barrel do you still use the ‘guts’ from the stock barrel or do you need all new cylinders, etc?

Now I need to get a .05” hex key. Any suggestions for a good set to open up the breach of my busted 1322.

Thanks for all the replies.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 09, 2020, 09:22:54 PM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 09, 2020, 09:08:49 PM

How much louder is this with a 12" or 14” barrel?
And in replacing the barrel do you still use the ‘guts’ from the stock barrel or do you need all new cylinders, etc?

For any given number of pumps, the longer barrel will be a small bit quieter. Given about 8-10 pumps, the 14" barrel may be about 40-50 fps more velocity.

Barrel change on Crosman 13xx and 24xx pistols requires no other changes. Except that on the 13xx guns where there is a turned down tip on the barre to fit into the barrel band. Drill out the barrel band to the full diameter of the barrel.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: YEMX on July 09, 2020, 09:32:00 PM: 14" barrel is your best bet. You'll re-use all the internals (though, you may want to upgrade down the road for S&G's), You'll need a 2289 barrel band to use a longer barrel. A steel breech would be better, and easier to swap out now as well. LDC is a sound suppressor- so you can upgrade as much as you want, it'll be more quiet than it is now. ;)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 09, 2020, 09:53:50 PM: As soon as you fix that problem., you should be able to kill squirrels with yours stock. within 20-25 yds (unless you are in a country that uses metric ;)).

If you are shooting 14.3 gr pellets it is about 6 FPE at the muzzle. My stock (no mods sans barrel) 1322 with a 24" 2260 barrel shoots the same pellet about 10 FPE. That FPE increase is nice but the gain in speed gives it better range (gravity, windage and maybe Coriolis effect) due to time in air.

What YEMX said, (14" is packable too). You can ream out your stock barrel band with a guitar peg reamer (ream both ends until nice tight fit). I never got a 2289 barrel band because crosman was always out = mother of invention. Cheapest barrels are from Crosman but shipping for barrels is like $10 (last time I ordered) so get a .177 if you want. I'm cheap, I get a Maximus barrel and can make 2 barrels using a lathe, a drill and my low standard meter. Sometimes disco barrels are not in stock so you can use 2250, 2260, Disco, Maximus, Fortitude barels and others. If you get a longer one, cutting and recrowning is pretty easy with hand tools (https://rifleshooter.com/2018/03/do-rifle-crowns-matter-does-a-crown-effect-accuracy/ (https://rifleshooter.com/2018/03/do-rifle-crowns-matter-does-a-crown-effect-accuracy/) I know... PB)

Stock .177 probes are plentiful if you want to ever use .177. BTW I'm cheap, I take off the handle to drill and tap mine for use in steel breeches. Cheap conversion.

Warning, if you have a tinkering side..."I'd have so much more time if it weren't for 1322, etc." It is a training tool though. Make sure to listen to these guys /\ and these guys \/. I'm still training and my low standards meter is reading "outlook good", no wait its "You may rely on it".

Yes!
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 10, 2020, 08:13:52 AM: I ordered my Allen hex key set. I hope the .05” key does not strip the hex screw on the breach 😬. It arrives tomorrow.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 10, 2020, 08:26:16 AM: I truly thank everyone for their input. But remember my first post - I’m not mechanical.

So

I don’t have a guitar peg reamer to ream out the stock barrel band;

I don’t have a lathe or a ‘low standard meter’;

and

What hand tools would be used to cut & recrown a barrel?

Next question, why change a .22 to a .177 14” barrel?

I’m almost ready to ask if anyone on the forum wants to fix my 1322 and mod the barrel OR if I should just buy a 1322 from Crosman custom shop with steel breach & 14” barrel already done.

I love to shoot these things but I’m far from being a tinkering person as you can tell by my questions and total lack of tools (even an Allen key of the correct size).
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Back_Roads on July 10, 2020, 08:59:51 AM: ;D
A custom shop 1322 would put you at ease while you tinker and learn the as you fix/ possibly upgrade your ailing gun ;)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 10, 2020, 09:19:23 AM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 10, 2020, 08:26:16 AM

Next question, why change a .22 to a .177 14” barrel?

Meaning purchase 2 barrels to offset the cost of shipping. Custom shop is a good way to get what you are looking for. It also allows you to order custom shop parts that otherwise aren't available to non-custom-shop customers..
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 10, 2020, 09:28:22 AM: I checked the crosman custom shop. They don’t have pumpers at this for building. Since I don’t want a CO2 pistol I’m going to mess around with my non-functional 1322.

By the way, the front sight on my 1322 was ‘cocked’ to the left slightly when I purchased it new. How would I straighten it out?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 10, 2020, 10:05:32 AM: That will straighten out when you get the transfer port aligned correctly.

I would be more than happy to fix your gun but I think the round trip shipping would go along way towards the purchase of another... and you would still have this one to tinker and learn on.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: YEMX on July 10, 2020, 10:56:51 AM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 10, 2020, 08:26:16 AM
...I’m not mechanical.

What hand tools would be used to cut & recrown a barrel?

You're not a tinkerer yet. Seriously, these guns are really very simple when you start getting into them. Plus it's fun and very satisfying every time you take it out to shoot because you worked on it, tweaked it...

Do you have a drill? Go to Home Depot or Lowes and get a brass screw w/a round head that is slightly bigger than the bore (hole) of your barrel. Get some valve grinding (or "lapping") compound from autozone or Advance Auto. Here's a vid:

https://youtu.be/qoSI_O3Oc3w?t=39

Yes, it's for a powder burner, but the process is exactly the same.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 10, 2020, 11:05:58 AM: Bill

Thanks for the offer. I’ll keep that in mind.

I sent an email to Crosman customer service with my tale of woe. Asked them if they’d just replace my dud.

From what I know now the misaligned front sight was indicative of an initial problem and I didn’t realize that the slight ‘hump’ of the barrel into the transport / breech area was a defect.

I’ll let you know what response I get from Crosman. I got an email verification that it was read within the last 30 minutes.

Mike
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: dan_house on July 10, 2020, 01:19:43 PM: Mike, most hardware stores have a "bargain bin", and Harbor Frieght is a great place to get some tool on the cheap. Basic stuff is all ya need, some hex wrenches, screw drivers in a couple sizes, needle nose pliers maybe. The 1322/1377 is about the best platform to learn basic airgun concepts, itll making shooting the thing even more fun
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 10, 2020, 03:08:01 PM: Also, there is a mini star torx bit which fits in the breech screw allen wrench hole just as good as the allen wrench. Maybe you have one around the house?

Sorry for offering too many solutions. I'd probably wait to see what Crosman says cause they are very helpful. However, if you want a Custom shop pumper just get a 2400KT (looks to be available) and the parts are interchangeable^*. You just need a 2289 barrel band (someone can probably print one? If not available). You'll be able to go from CO2 to Pump within less than 30 minutes if you want and these parts will be useful down the road.

What you get: Steel breech = $30+ a 14" barrel at least $20 + the stock $30. (Late-night as-seen-on-TV marketing voice) THAT'S A WHOPPING $80 VALUE...PLUS YOU GET TWO GUNS FOR THE PRICE OF ONE!!! (Cue overly excited audience clap track and "wows").

(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=7413)

_{*Voids warranty but you may not need once you can disassemble.}
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 10, 2020, 03:19:03 PM: LOL..... Set it and forget it !!!
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 10, 2020, 08:26:13 PM: What do you guys think of a 24” barrel?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 10, 2020, 08:43:13 PM: Personally, I think it's a skinny little piece of metal sticking way out there just waiting to get bent. I've always chopped them off to 18" or less.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 10, 2020, 08:48:19 PM: Ok. Thanks for the response. I’m still waiting to hear from Crosman.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 10, 2020, 08:53:06 PM: Note, that was my personal opinion... the 24" barrel will yield more power and accuracy in most cases. I'm just not one to baby a gun.... :-[
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 10, 2020, 09:09:48 PM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 10, 2020, 08:26:13 PM
What do you guys think of a 24” barrel?
I kept one of mine 24" to switch barrels with my discos. Its a little more quiet but when you add a compensator it looks like you ARE compensating for something. It is stable with the 1322 barrel band and holds zero. Its accurate. But it requires a 2289 stock and doesnt fit in a backpack.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 10, 2020, 09:47:15 PM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 10, 2020, 08:26:13 PM
What do you guys think of a 24” barrel?

As Bill said, this is just my opinion, but it IS based off of some pretty extensive building / modding / testing that I have done on the 13XX and 22XX platforms.

I have built several of these guns including mild to moderate 1322 pumpers, as well as 2240/50 Co2 powered pistols to full blown, rear bottled, PCP carbine conversions.

In my opinion, (and field testing), you can get to a point of diminishing returns when increasing the barrel lengths on these guns, (relative to the power capacity), of them.

IMO,
A 1322 built at factory stock to medium power upgrades is best served with a 12" to 14" barrel.

Built to MAXIMUM power,...
... meaning, with a flat top piston, modified valve plenum capacity, increased valve exhaust port, extended bolt probe, maxed out transfer port, and modified hammer, .... then you can benefit from a 14" to 18" barrel.

24" barrels will only benefit on higher powered PCP conversion builds...

... but then again, and as Bill already mentioned, you end up with a ridiculously long "soda straw" gun that is completely unnecessary.

Do a search on the forums here for "Lego guns" or "Franken-guns", and you will surely find Dozens of older threads talking about this very subject.

Heck, you will probably run into LOTS of my posts from past years on these builds.

Good luck on your build and have fun with it.
As your first build, I would suggest building it with a Long Steel breech, with 14" barrel, 1399 stock, ice maker tubing transfer port, and an LDC.

After you learn that, you can decide how much further you want to take these VERY Fun guns.
The Sky, (and your wallet) are really the only limiting factors. Trust me on that. LOL.

To give you and idea of just how far you can go...
I have built a couple of 22XX based carbines that are pushing just over 40 FPE and will hold "mosh"
(Minute Of Squirrel Head) sized groups at 100 yds !
(and that is using a 18" barrel with a 5" LDC ! ! !)

Cheers,
And Welcome to the Rabbit Hole !

There is no turning back now,

You have now been infected with the A.A.D.S disease ...and there is no cure.
:o ;D 8)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 10, 2020, 11:17:08 PM: Quote from: Gertrude on July 10, 2020, 09:47:15 PM
Quote from: S2kohio on July 10, 2020, 08:26:13 PM
What do you guys think of a 24” barrel?

As Bill said, this is just my opinion, but it IS based off of some pretty extensive building / modding / testing that I have done on the 13XX and 22XX platforms.

I have built several of these guns including mild to moderate 1322 pumpers, as well as 2240/50 Co2 powered pistols to full blown, rear bottled, PCP carbine conversions.

In my opinion, (and field testing), you can get to a point of diminishing returns when increasing the barrel lengths on these guns, (relative to the power capacity), of them.

IMO,
A 1322 built at factory stock to medium power upgrades is best served with a 12" to 14" barrel.

Built to MAXIMUM power,...
... meaning, with a flat top piston, modified valve plenum capacity, increased valve exhaust port, extended bolt probe, maxed out transfer port, and modified hammer, .... then you can benefit from a 14" to 18" barrel.

24" barrels will only benefit on higher powered PCP conversion builds...

... but then again, and as Bill already mentioned, you end up with a ridiculously long "soda straw" gun that is completely unnecessary.

Do a search on the forums here for "Lego guns" or "Franken-guns", and you will surely find Dozens of older threads talking about this very subject.

Heck, you will probably run into LOTS of my posts from past years on these builds.

Good luck on your build and have fun with it.
As your first build, I would suggest building it with a Long Steel breech, with 14" barrel, 1399 stock, ice maker tubing transfer port, and an LDC.

After you learn that, you can decide how much further you want to take these VERY Fun guns.
The Sky, (and your wallet) are really the only limiting factors. Trust me on that. LOL.

To give you and idea of just how far you can go...
I have built a couple of 22XX based carbines that are pushing just over 40 FPE and will hold "mosh"
(Minute Of Squirrel Head) sized groups at 100 yds !
(and that is using a 18" barrel with a 5" LDC ! ! !)

Cheers,
And Welcome to the Rabbit Hole !

There is no turning back now,

You have now been infected with the A.A.D.S disease ...and there is no cure.
:o ;D 8)
Do yourself a favor and listen to this guy ^^^^.
But do it at your own risk.... I followed him down the rabbit hole a couple times.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 10, 2020, 11:40:04 PM: Bill

LOL. I was happy enough with my minor mods to my 1322 and 1377 when I changed to lighter trigger springs, quick release pins, and shoulder stock.

Then my 1322 took a dump. So my next mod will be opening up the breach to see if I can fix the TP and straighten the front sight. If (and that’s a BIG if) I get the 1322 working again I’ll be a happy camper. If not, then I guess I’ll buy a new 1322 - either thru Amazon or Crosman.

All I need these pistols for is backyard plinking and shooting squirrels and chipmunks at 30-35 feet.

I do appreciate all the info and as soon as my hex key shows up tomorrow I’m going to start working/fixing my 1322.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 10, 2020, 11:47:41 PM: If your only intention is to fix it then that will be easy enough.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Spooner on July 11, 2020, 02:10:17 AM: when i first looked at that pic showing the mis-aligned TP, i thought i was seeing things, lol. hopefully you will get lucky and find that it has not been damaged. i would think that if there are any nicks or deformation at all, especially around the chamfered top of it, that it probably would be best to replace it and the lower seal? check the plastic breech as well just to make sure that is wasnt deformed by the bad alignment. Crosman is the best source for parts but there are always places like Alliance Hobby, Alchemy Airwerks, Pyramid Air and many others as well as eBay where you can get these parts in a pinch if needed.

I completely agree with the long steel breech. i had both my 1322 and 1377 (both CCS guns) made them and it was a decision i will never regret. the steel breech gives you the dovetail and keeps everything nice and solid. however, if you are completely happy with the performance of your 1322 as is, and all it needs is to be re-aligned, then that is your cheapest option even if you have to replace the TP and seal. once you take it apart and re-assemble it, you will see just how easy these guns are to work on and you can always go back later and upgrade the breech. there are tons of videos on youtube that walk you through these things step by step. those videos along with the help of all the great people here got me started on my path to obsession, lol.

as far as barrel lengths go... i am sold on the 14.5" LW barrels. it is the happy medium between distance and power in my two guns and that is another decision i will never regret. i shoot at 20 yards (using a scope on the 1322 and a dot reflex on the 1377) and at 5-6 pumps i have incredible accuracy. a head shot to a squirrel would take him out no problem. i decided not to do any power mods, not yet anyway. i am always impressed at their power, as is, every time i shoot either of them.

i will be curious to see what you find when you inspect the transfer port and hope a re-alignment is all you need to get yours back up and shooting.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 11, 2020, 05:14:34 AM: Mike,
What I'm starting to realize here is that you are unaware of the differences (and benefits gained) with going to a steel breech... so allow me to try and explain.

The stock plastic breech on your 1322,
DOES NOT positively secure the barrel from rotation.
In other words, the barrel is free to rotate in the breech.

This means, that the Transfer Port, (which yours is almost certainly deformed),... (and js now leaking), is the reason your velocity has now been compromised.

A Steel Breech literally ELIMINATES any barrel rotation, due to it has 2 "grub screws", (that your stock plastic breech does not have).

These 2 additional grub screws, LOCK THE BARREL, and eliminates the possibility of blowing out another Transfer Port... as well as insures that each shot fired, is coming out of a barrel that IS NOT MOVING BETWEEN SHOTS.
This is Absolutely VITAL, for accuracy and shot to shot consistency.

The Steel Breech, ALSO, has the Dovetail Grooves that the plastic breech does not have.
This means that it provides and far more positive mounting base for whatever sights you decide to use,
and therefore, a more consistent sight picture and solid mount. That applies to everything from mounting a Scope, ... Red Dot, ... or regular Iron sights.
Whatever is your choice.

Bottom line is,
EVEN IF YOU STAY WITH YOUR ORIGINAL BARREL, .... A Steel Breech WILL improve your grouping,
and therefore, ultimately increase your Effective Range.

So to summarize,
A Steel Breech is basically viewed as a "No Brainer" if you are already going to the effort of accurizing and improving your guns ability to deliver desired results.

Think of it this way...
Although you may not yet realize it,
Yes,... the 1322 is a fairly decent shooter in stock factory form, ... BUT ! ,... in reality, it is really just a "Darn good " base gun/kit that comes pre-assembled for you.
Sure,
You take it out of the packaging, pump it up, toss in a pellet, and it generally shoots fairly well.

The thing is,
There are literally ,
SO MANY,
EASY and QUITE AFFORDABLE WAYS,
to take it to a Much Higher level of performance, (and therefor, your shooting PLEASURE),
That it just makes sense to jump in with both feet.

I have literally stood toe to toe with my buddies,
pesting ground squirrels on our local farm permissions at 50 to 100 yds,
(With them shooting guns 5 TIMES more expensive),
And at the end of the day, my head count easily equals theirs.

And let me tell you,
When I can hold my own, using a Crosman Franken-gun, ... up against the likes of a tuned Woodsman , or a Vulcan, or a Daystate,

That makes for some SERIOUS Bragging rights !
Lamo!

Let's just get you through this rebuild, and get you up to shooting it at a level you would have never imagined possible.
THEN, ... After That, ....
We'll start introducing you to The DARKSIDE,

(Que in the evil mad scientist music here) BWAHAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Back_Roads on July 11, 2020, 09:14:22 AM: When I first joined GTA, even when my guns were shooting fine, many here said mod this mod that, I responded, I was content with how they were shooting, and until something broke I was not going there.
Fast forward, with in a year I had bought a basic 1377, and took it apart within weeks of getting it, and did some basic mods to the TP and added an AR stock adapter. It still has the plastic breach, and still plan on adding a steel breach etc. when the gun stops performing as well as it does.
About 6 months later I did order a Custom Shop 1322 with 14.5" LW, long steel breach LPA sight and air stripper. also added a folding stock recently to that one.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=7055)

I am a mechanic, but rather not have to fix things on my days off, if possible ;)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 11, 2020, 10:08:18 AM: Reading all of the suggestions I’m seriously thinking the Crosman custom shop might be my ultimate course of action to get a new 1322 with a steel breech, 14.5” barrel. But then the questions.

1. I like the iron sights on my 1377. It was straight when I got it. Shoot dead on. If I get the steel breech on the 1332 I see I lose the built in iron sights and have to use scope or red dot or buy iron sights.

I bought 2 scopes $30 each at Walmart and have never been able to zero them. You get what you pay for. I also have a $30 BSA Red Dot. The red dot seems to hold zero but I like the iron sight better. I’m posting at 30 feet so in reality the iron sights are fine.

So if I go with steel breech I can again try to zero the scopes (which I’m sure will be as crappy as before) and the BSA. But what iron sights should I buy?

2. I see that there are 2 types of barrels. Again, I’m just pesting at About 30 feet, so I don’t see the value of an LW barrel at $40+ more dollars. Please educate me on that.

3. What’s an air stripper? What does it do? I also don’t see that option on the custom shop.

4. Where do I find the folding stock (I have the 1399 with quick release pin). How much is it?

5. I do see the benefit of the longer steel breech, which is what I would get.

I did want to get a pumper but they are out of stock. What do you guys think about CO2? Personally I don’t think I’d be a fan to be reliant on having CO2 cartridges on hand, the added cost, and reading that they aren’t effective in cold weather. Also having to keep count of shots because as the cartridge empties pellet velocity goes down.

I’m limited to a pellet pistol (local ordinance) and I don’t want the neighbors getting all up in my face if (a) they hear the ‘bang’ and (b) if they get wonky that I’m shooting squirrels that invaded my garage ceiling last summer (and cost me $1,000 to trap & get rid of them) & chipmunks that are burrowing around my house foundation causing leaking in heavy rain.

So that’s why I got the pistols in the first place. Simply pest eradication and target plinking.

I can’t wait to get my Allen key today so I can take the 1322 apart and hope the pieces parts will function when I rebuild it. But, all of the info you all have given me is making me ‘itchy’ and leading me to that rabbit hole. LOL all I wanted was a cheap, quiet, city legal pistol to eradicate my yard pests. I got the 1322 from eBay for $39 due to their mixup in sending a 1322 instead of the 1377 I ordered. I figured for that saving I’d buy a 1377 for $50 )Amazon price last Sept.). I like these pistols so I figured that when Walmart discontinued selling guns and ridiculously marked down their remaining 1377 stock I bought all 3. I see that Amazon is selling 1377’s for ~$69 now.

I still haven’t heard back from Crosman on my customer support email :(
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Spooner on July 11, 2020, 12:20:46 PM: Crosman is currently out of their 13xx CCS guns, so doing a custom gun with them is not an option right now. yes, you will lose your current built in sight if you go to a steel breech but you are not limited to a scope or a reflex sight. i have an LPA mim sight on my 1322 as back up to my scope. the LPA sight is very low profile, built exceptionally well, and very accurate. it is pricey though, about $50 depending on who you get it from. i have a Williams notch sight as back up to my reflex sight on my 1377. this is a pretty large sight but built fantastic with knob adjusters but it is also a little pricey depending on who you get it from. their sights come in a number of different types... peep hole and diopter, ect.

do an eBay search for 1322 or 1377 sights and just explore what options are available. this would give you a good idea on what you can do.

from what you are saying, your needs are very basic. pesting in an area with restrictions at 30-35 feet. your gun as stock with no upgrades will easily do this with a simple repair. the choice has to be yours on which way you go. you can easily get wrapped up in one upgrade after another looking for that perfect set up that meets your needs. it sounds like the gun already meets those needs as is when repaired?

i agree with Gertrude... just get it up and shooting, then decide if you want to go further. the steel breech is the one upgrade that everyone agrees is worthwhile, but it isnt a "must do" upgrade. for no further than you are shooting, and the type of shooting you are doing... your plastic breech will work just fine. now, if the plastic breech has been damaged by this mis-alignment and you have to replace it... then i would say consider a steel breech since you would have to change it anyway. ;)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 11, 2020, 01:47:52 PM: Mike
I agree with what everyone has said about your plastic breech will do fine for your 30 foot needs.
Once you take it apart, and if you find the breech has been damaged, I have a factory breech you are welcome to have for free.

If you want to make the gun even quieter than the stock gun, you will need to put a little longer barrel on it so that you can add a LDC.

IIRC, you can get a 10" barrel from Crosman Parts for very cheap I'm sure someone here can provide the part number for that.

Then you can get a hold of Rocker1 here and have him make you an LDC to make it "Mouse Fart Quiet".

Let me know if you need to replace the breech and I'll be happy to send you one.

P.S.-
Be Very careful when taking out the upper breech screw. They are quite prone to stripping the hex head if the wrench is a bit too loose. (We refer to that little screw as the "pita screw").
Cheers
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 11, 2020, 02:16:12 PM: Quote from: Gertrude on July 11, 2020, 05:14:34 AM

The stock plastic breech on your 1322,
DOES NOT positively secure the barrel from rotation.
In other words, the barrel is free to rotate in the breech.

This means, that the Transfer Port, (which yours is almost certainly deformed),... (and js now leaking), is the reason your velocity has now been compromised.

A Steel Breech literally ELIMINATES any barrel rotation, due to it has 2 "grub screws", (that your stock plastic breech does not have).

These 2 additional grub screws, LOCK THE BARREL, and eliminates the possibility of blowing out another Transfer Port... as well as insures that each shot fired, is coming out of a barrel that IS NOT MOVING BETWEEN SHOTS.
This is Absolutely VITAL, for accuracy and shot to shot consistency.

Steel breeches (long style) I have purchased from Crosman have had only one grub screw - and not over the TP. I make them into three screw breeches with a trip to the drill press.

It is possible to install a grub screw over the TP on the plastic breech for the mere cost of the screw and drilling a hole. Just use modest torque to avoid stripping the new work.

Start cheap - you will have a high-priced 1322 soon enough! :D
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 11, 2020, 02:17:43 PM: Glad I read this thread to the end before chiming in.
I was going going to offer up one of my plastic breeches but Ron beat me too it. ;D
Mike, Take it slow and you will be fine.
As mentioned , make sure the allen key is fully seated in the tiny screw before torquing on it.
Counter clock-wise to loosen (Righty tighty - Lefty Loosey) and when you install it put the long end of the allen key into the screw. That way you are only using the short end to torque on, less likely to strip it.

Also look closely at the transfer port, it is NOT the same on both sides and it should only go one way, don't put it in up-side down.
Pay attention to where the small flat o-ring is. Then you will see why the transfer port is shaped the way it is.

You got this!
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 11, 2020, 02:21:08 PM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 11, 2020, 10:08:18 AM
Reading all of the suggestions I’m seriously thinking the Crosman custom shop might be my ultimate course of action to get a new 1322 with a steel breech, 14.5” barrel. But then the questions.

1. I like the iron sights on my 1377. It was straight when I got it. Shoot dead on. If I get the steel breech on the 1332 I see I lose the built in iron sights and have to use scope or red dot or buy iron sights.

I bought 2 scopes $30 each at Walmart and have never been able to zero them. You get what you pay for. I also have a $30 BSA Red Dot. The red dot seems to hold zero but I like the iron sight better. I’m posting at 30 feet so in reality the iron sights are fine.

So if I go with steel breech I can again try to zero the scopes (which I’m sure will be as crappy as before) and the BSA. But what iron sights should I buy?

2. I see that there are 2 types of barrels. Again, I’m just pesting at About 30 feet, so I don’t see the value of an LW barrel at $40+ more dollars. Please educate me on that.

3. What’s an air stripper? What does it do? I also don’t see that option on the custom shop.

4. Where do I find the folding stock (I have the 1399 with quick release pin). How much is it?

5. I do see the benefit of the longer steel breech, which is what I would get.

Open sights do well with longer barrels because of the sight radius, obviously the consensus is not 24" barrels. Get an 18" then if you are wanting open sights. With the steel breech you could get a Daisy 5899 Peep Sight for good precision HOWEVER you need a taller front sight because this rear sight sits up much higher. I don't know of anyone that offers a tall front sight?? Easiest way is to use Crosman's custom shop front sight that has a screw-in post. Get a tall set screw from your hardware and it would work. Sight picture: tall front sight goes in the middle of the (circle hole) rear sight just like your stock peep.
An 18" barrel will be more quiet than a 14" due to the valve closing before the pellet gets out of the barrel.

I'm not sure why your scopes are not working. Even cheap scopes should work. How did you use them on your 1322 or 1377? The Crosman 459MT 2-Pc Intermount works really well (Gets mixed reviews) on my 1377 HOWEVER it attaches to the barrel and can twist it. You have to "baby it". If you tried this mount on your 1322 I bet that's where the problem started! That may cause the scope problems too!

Dont worry you'll have this thing fixed and back working in no time.

Here is a daisy with the 5899 rear sight. Front sight was fabricated but works really well. Gun was messed up and sold as junk but it is a .177 Starling slayer.

(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=6291)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 11, 2020, 02:32:06 PM: Quote from: Gertrude on July 11, 2020, 01:47:52 PM
IIRC, you can get a 10" barrel from Crosman Parts for very cheap I'm sure someone here can provide the part number for that.

I think stock barrel is 10.1"
Here are some parts numbers but they may be old and you may have to cut down. But if you are purchasing a barrel just order a custom shop 2400kt and make yourself a pumper or use CO2 for summer pesting.

2289-001= 14" .22 barrel
2260-003= 24" .22 barrel
2260SE-001= 24" .22 Disco Barrel
1760SE-001= 24" .177 Disco Barrel
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 11, 2020, 02:40:01 PM: I put a 14" (Crosman) barrel from AlchemyAirwerks on my 1377 and am very happy with it.
https://www.ebay.com/str/alchemyairwerks/Barrels/_i.html?_storecat=581975419 (https://www.ebay.com/str/alchemyairwerks/Barrels/_i.html?_storecat=581975419)

David has everything you will ever need...

Whoops, there's that rabbit hole again! ;D ;) ;D
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 11, 2020, 02:58:42 PM: Quote from: BigBird on July 11, 2020, 02:32:06 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 11, 2020, 01:47:52 PM
IIRC, you can get a 10" barrel from Crosman Parts for very cheap I'm sure someone here can provide the part number for that.

I think stock barrel is 10.1"
Here are some parts numbers but they may be old and you may have to cut down. But if you are purchasing a barrel just order a custom shop 2400kt and make yourself a pumper or use CO2 for summer pesting.

2289-001= 14" .22 barrel
2260-003= 24" .22 barrel
2260SE-001= 24" .22 Disco Barrel
1760SE-001= 24" .177 Disco Barrel

yep, I stand corrected.
The stock barrel is a 10.1, so that means the next size up is the 14".
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 11, 2020, 06:18:11 PM: Hi guys

Got my Allen key and opened up the gun.

I think I got it right.
Looking into the pistol with breech off and barrel removed there is a port from which I can see a small opening. The inside piece where I see the opening is not open flush with the hole. I tried to move it but it won’t move. I left it alone.

I reseated the gasket into that hole and then put the pardon my French ‘thing-a-majig’ into the gasket. I reseated the barrel & breech tightened the breech screw but not all the way. Then screws on the rear sight. Gun is shooting but although I feel resistance to pumping, it’s not as hard to pump as my 1377.

I zeroed in the windage BUT which way do I lift or lower the elevation piece to raise the elevation. It’s shooting about 5-6” low.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 11, 2020, 06:27:16 PM: Raising the REAR sight higher, will raise the POI
(Point Of Impact)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 11, 2020, 07:00:36 PM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 11, 2020, 06:18:11 PM
Looking into the pistol with breech off and barrel removed there is a port from which I can see a small opening. The inside piece where I see the opening is not open flush with the hole. I tried to move it but it won’t move. I left it alone.

From your decription it sounds like the outlet port of the valve inside the tube isn't aligned perfectly, not uncommon and should still work.
Further disassemble would be needed to correct for "optimum performance".

Quote
I reseated the gasket into that hole and then put the pardon my French ‘thing-a-majig’ into the gasket. I reseated the barrel & breech tightened the breech screw but not all the way. Then screws on the rear sight.

The "PITA screw" needs to be tight... but not Superman torqued. See my previous post on how to hold the allen key.
I think the ‘thing-a-majig’ is the transfer port (TP).

Quote
Gun is shooting but although I feel resistance to pumping, it’s not as hard to pump as my 1377.

The resistance should feel the same.
I would offer to have you send me your 1322... but you know what they say about "teaching a man to fish". ;)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Bentong on July 11, 2020, 07:23:33 PM: Double post 8)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Bentong on July 11, 2020, 07:30:03 PM: The valve porting gets out of alignment overtime because the valve gets pushed back and chewed by the notch on the tube. I did a Wyoman fix on mine by pinning the valve just above the trigger screw...have to drill/tap and use set screw so it sets flush below the breech.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 11, 2020, 08:41:40 PM: Guys

I got it open. Thought I fixed it because it started shooting but when pumping to 10 It got somewhat harder to pump after 4, but not as hard as the1377.

Then it seemed to slow down in shooting.

When I removed the breech this is what it looked like. I’m thinking the silver thing circle or opening should be flush with the cylinder hole or is it correctly seated as the picture shows?

I assume the washer goes into that hole (when taking the breech off all of it came off at once and I didn’t see exactly what went where).

Also I assume the transport valve goes long end into the washer. See the picture where the arrow shows the long end which goes long end down into the washer, right?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 11, 2020, 08:47:45 PM: Quote from: Hoosier Daddy on July 11, 2020, 07:00:36 PM
Quote from: S2kohio on July 11, 2020, 06:18:11 PM
Looking into the pistol with breech off and barrel removed there is a port from which I can see a small opening. The inside piece where I see the opening is not open flush with the hole. I tried to move it but it won’t move. I left it alone.

From your decription it sounds like the outlet port of the valve inside the tube isn't aligned perfectly, not uncommon and should still work.
Further disassemble would be needed to correct for "optimum performance".

Scott

How would I continue the disassemble to straighten the inner port? See the picture I posted showing it seemingly skewed.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 11, 2020, 08:55:34 PM: You have the transfer port upside down. The short side goes into the rubber washer on the valve side. The long side goes up into the barrel.
Look at the exploded view below.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 11, 2020, 08:57:55 PM: In your first picture, those holes need to line up.
You may need to remove screw #35 in the exploded view below to rotate the valve. You can just reach down the hole with something and line the holes up.
Don't remove the rear screw on the trigger frame. There is a tiny ball and spring in there for the safety (#30 and #31) that is very easy to lose..... ask any of us how we know that... :o
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 11, 2020, 09:13:30 PM: Disregard the red finger pointer in the diagram... that is from the previous posting from page 1.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 11, 2020, 09:24:21 PM: (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=175696.0;attach=321188;image)

That misalignment is serious... You need to correct that.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 11, 2020, 09:52:17 PM: Ok. Tomorrow I’ll take it all apart again and loosen screw 35 to rotate that inner barrel/cylinder. I assume I could use an awl into the hole in my picture of the misaligned part and try to rotate it.

Once I get that aligned I will continue on with the TP and washer.

From what I know see and learned from you guys this 1322 was FUBAR’d from the moment I opened the blister shell.

I’ll report back tomorrow.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 11, 2020, 10:00:15 PM: Somebody clear this up for me here,
It's been a long while since I messed with a 1322... but IIRC, there is (or at least should be) a valve retaining screw that basically aligns the exhaust port of the valve with the hole in the pressure tube.
And if I am correct in my memory on that,
And if that screw is in place then,
How is it possible for the valve to rotate that far off ?
Or
Is there a missing retention screw (?) Thus all his valve to rotate in the tube ?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 11, 2020, 10:02:23 PM: I couldn’t wait till morning. I took out screw 35 but I see no way to turn the cylinder to line it up. What am I missing?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 11, 2020, 10:04:06 PM: Quote from: Gertrude on July 11, 2020, 10:00:15 PM
Somebody clear this up for me here,
It's been a long while since I messed with a 1322... but IIRC, there is (or at least should be) a valve retaining screw that basically aligns the exhaust port of the valve with the hole in the pressure tube.
And if I am correct in my memory on that,
And if that screw is in place then,
How is it possible for the valve to rotate that far off ?
Or
Is there a missing retention screw (?) Thus all his valve to rotate in the tube ?
That kinda bewildered me too Ron... it's been awhile and I had myself convinced the front trigger frame screw pinned it.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 11, 2020, 10:10:16 PM: Just checked the EVP and it does not show a retainer screw other than the front trigger frame screw.... either way, that should have aligned the valve.... something fishy.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 11, 2020, 10:13:05 PM: ...... however.... there is a retaining screw into the valve on a 2240.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Tack Driver 10 on July 11, 2020, 10:16:16 PM: Looks like the two valve halves are not screwed together tight.
May be able to fix it in the gun or may have to take the gun apart.
Either way it's fixable.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 11, 2020, 10:23:33 PM: Quote from: Tack Driver 10 on July 11, 2020, 10:16:16 PM
Looks like the two valve halves are not screwed together tight.
May be able to fix it in the gun or may have to take the gun apart.
Either way it's fixable.
By George, I think you nailed it.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Bentong on July 11, 2020, 10:32:36 PM: +1 on loose valve half. The back end must have turned CCW. Easy fix though, once you got the pump arm out and trigger guard screw...just push the valve fwd, won't go towards back due to notched stopper. Check the 2 o-rings while at it.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 11, 2020, 10:43:10 PM: BRILLIANT deduction... I was baffled.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 11, 2020, 10:59:46 PM: Leo

I’m totally lost. I think I need to take off the pump but can’t figure it out. When I align the cylinder on top the trigger screw no longer screws in because the bottom cylinder hole is tilted.

I’ve got the entire pistol apart except for the pump arm. I know it’s not ever going back together with my skill set.

I’m stumped and almost ready to throw it away and yell at Crosman for selling this totally crapped pistol in the first place. Some quality control.

I’m going to watch a YouTube on the safety spring and ball that are sitting on my kitchen table >:(
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 11, 2020, 11:04:56 PM: You are doing good!
Most of us loose the tiny ball!!!
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 11, 2020, 11:06:31 PM: I got the ball but I want to pass it.

I think I drop in the ball but can’t figure out the safety spring.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 11, 2020, 11:14:23 PM: Maybe this will help.
It is for a 2240 but the basics apply to the 1322

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY4Am1odKd8&t=518s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY4Am1odKd8&t=518s)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Bentong on July 11, 2020, 11:43:32 PM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 11, 2020, 10:59:46 PM
Leo

I’m totally lost. I think I need to take off the pump but can’t figure it out. When I align the cylinder on top the trigger screw no longer screws in because the bottom cylinder hole is tilted.

I’ve got the entire pistol apart except for the pump arm. I know it’s not ever going back together with my skill set.

I’m stumped and almost ready to throw it away and yell at Crosman for selling this totally crapped pistol in the first place. Some quality control.

I’m going to watch a YouTube on the safety spring and ball that are sitting on my kitchen table >:(
My bad...though you got the roll pin out..they call it roll pin coz after awhile it just want to drift out(you can get mod part that got nuts on both end and a bearing spacer so your pumping is solid) Video got what you need to get your AG naked > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVI5owkEPAc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVI5owkEPAc)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 11, 2020, 11:47:10 PM: Lost the ball

I read I can use the head of a straight pin?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 12, 2020, 12:22:13 AM: Quitting. :'(
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Bentong on July 12, 2020, 12:22:47 AM: You can use one on a ball chain keychain.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 12, 2020, 12:36:21 AM: LMAOROF

Thanks. I’ve got a chain.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 12, 2020, 01:41:43 AM: I think it’s fixed.

Hard to pump after 8. When dry fired it makes a loud crack/pop.

Will take it out in the morning and shoot some pellets. BTW, I did not have fun. Lost the ball. Had to get a New dress shirt And cut the head off of a pin. The pull chain balls I had were too big. I see I need to find a chain with smaller balls at the hardware store.

I could not get off the pump mechanism because I had no tool to pop out the river on the pump arm. So I could not inspect the cylinders inside the tube.

After spending 4 hours on this I hope it F’n works.

LAST (I hope) - is there an EASY way to zero the stock iron sights?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 12, 2020, 02:42:44 AM: Hang on there Mike
You are doing fine
Dont get frustrated.

(Now considering the company we are in),
I'm going to go out on a limb here with my next statement, (that I Am ABSOLUTELY SURE I will regret),...
but here goes...

... I'm Pretty sure I have some extra balls in my parts box,
so if you want to send me a pm with your address I'll send you one.

Ok you boneheads,
Go ahead and let the replies fly.
You KNOW you want to !
LMBO !
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: 35 shooter on July 12, 2020, 03:10:03 AM: Mike,

You’ve done great! Got it fixed in a relatively short amount of time with no real prior knowledge of what to do... your a pro now!!! 8)
Wish the repairs to my Summit Ranger were going that well lol.
GTA rocks!!
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 12, 2020, 06:31:47 AM: Quote from: Gertrude on July 12, 2020, 02:42:44 AM
Hang on there Mike
You are doing fine
Dont get frustrated.

(Now considering the company we are in),
I'm going to go out on a limb here with my next statement, (that I Am ABSOLUTELY SURE I will regret),...
but here goes...

... I'm Pretty sure I have some extra balls in my parts box,
so if you want to send me a pm with your address I'll send you one.

Ok you boneheads,
Go ahead and let the replies fly.
You KNOW you want to !
LMBO !
Well that is good news... I thought they called you Gertrude because you had lost your balls too.

Mike.. don't remove the rivet in the linkage. It's the pin that goes through the tube that you want to knock out.( #21).
Then slide the pump handle out until pin #20 aligns with the same hole and tap it out. That will separate the pump linkage from the pump piston and you can then push the piston out.
Now you can stick a wooded dowel, or something, in the hammer end and tap the valve out.
Be patient.
I predict that once you're all done you will be craving to dig into it again to upgrade and mod the gun. It has happened to all of us.
Again, disregard the red finger pointers.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: sb327 on July 12, 2020, 06:47:02 AM: I may be wrong, but now that it ‘appears’ to be pumping correctly and ‘sounds’ right when fired.....your power should also be correct. As such....it should....shoot higher vs. the 5-6” low you were shooting. You didn’t mention a range so as I said....I may be wrong.

Dave

https://www.pyramydair.com/air-gunsresources/manuals/Crosman-1322-1377C-PC77-multi-pump-pistol-user-manual.pdf (https://www.pyramydair.com/air-gunsresources/manuals/Crosman-1322-1377C-PC77-multi-pump-pistol-user-manual.pdf)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 12, 2020, 07:05:25 AM: Sounds like you got it... Congrats!

Plus, you got a nice new shirt in the process! Win-Win!

Quote
Ok you boneheads,
Go ahead and let the replies fly.
You KNOW you want to !
LMBO !

Have you checked in your wife's purse?
That's where most men's are.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 12, 2020, 08:34:48 AM: Quote from: sb327 on July 12, 2020, 06:47:02 AM
I may be wrong, but now that it ‘appears’ to be pumping correctly and ‘sounds’ right when fired.....your power should also be correct. As such....it should....shoot higher vs. the 5-6” low you were shooting. You didn’t mention a range so as I said....I may be wrong.

Dave

Hi Dave

Thanks for the picture. I’m going to try to zero it in this morning (fingers crossed that it’s working and the power is as it should be - as you all may have guessed, since I had to order an Allen key set with a .05” key I certainly don’t own a chrony).

My question is - is there a better way to zero the iron sights other than guessing/moving the elevation till correct and then just guessing/moving the windage till correct?

I spent aBout an hour yesterday afternoon Trying to zero the iron sites (when I first thought I fixed it - only to find the I put the TP valve in upside down (Bill, thanks for the schematic).

And even after all that, it was only ‘close’. This is a pistol, not horse shoes or hand grenades.

There has to be a better way than just guesswork. By the way, I shoot at 30 feet and I do have printable target grid with 1 inch squares around a bullseye.

Again, thanks to everyone for all the input. I’ll report back after I got plinking.

Mike “the gunsmith” - LOL
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 12, 2020, 08:45:24 AM: You can buy a bore sight. It's a stick that goes into the barrel of the gun with a laser on it. You aim it at your target then move your sights to line up with it.
Other than that, unfortunately, you're stuck with the 'poke and hope' method with open sights.

I can't help but notice that you are up and at it early..... yep, you got the bug.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 12, 2020, 08:48:24 AM: With open sights I normally start real close in, like 10ft. or so. Then I move the target out in a few meter increments.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 12, 2020, 09:03:00 AM: I was going to add the ball to the parts list way back in this topic but forgot to do so.

I have had poor results with the "stick in the front of the barrel" lasers - at least cheap ones. They did not point straight, confirmed rotating the device and seeing the laser point rotate in a circle.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 12, 2020, 11:02:05 AM: Quote from: CraigH on July 12, 2020, 09:03:00 AM
I was going to add the ball to the parts list way back in this topic but forgot to do so.

I have had poor results with the "stick in the front of the barrel" lasers - at least cheap ones. They did not point straight, confirmed rotating the device and seeing the laser point rotate in a circle.
I've never used one... just a suggestion... ;)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 12, 2020, 11:45:24 AM: Friends

I’m pleased (and proud) to report success.

The pump gets increasingly harder to pump from 3-10.

I’ve zeroed it in with my BSA red dot (not a laser). Only took about 20 minutes and 15 pellets. I just didn’t want to waste more time zeroing in the iron sites. The BSA consistently zeroed inside the ‘diamond’ of the bullseye on the targets.ws zeroing chart. So this pistol is now hitting the inside of a 1” square. Squirrels and chipmunks beware.

Now that I’m a ‘gunsmith’ (laughing so hard inside my stomach hurts) I think I’ll spring for the Crosman long steel breech (as was recommended many pages ago) just for the 1322. As I recall, the steel breech is different for the 1322 than it is on the 1377. I think probe length or something like that.

Again thanks all for chiming in with all the support, advice, diagrams, etc. GTA is great and so are all of you. :D
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 12, 2020, 11:56:56 AM: HAHAHA !!! Another enabling job well done fellas !!
Yes, the diameter of the bolt is different from .22 and .177.

Some one please chime in here...

I know some steel breeches have the forward 'pita screw' and some have the rearward one. Which one will he need for the 1322?

Nevermind... I found it..
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-22-cal-steel-breech-kit-fits-2240-2250-2260-2289-1322-air-guns?a=4387 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-22-cal-steel-breech-kit-fits-2240-2250-2260-2289-1322-air-guns?a=4387)

Mike, you won't be able to use the original rear sight on this breech but you can use a scope, red dot and sights that fit the sideways dovetail groove.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: YEMX on July 12, 2020, 12:10:24 PM: Another option, albeit a more expensive one, would be to use a LPA MIM rear sight from Pyramyd, which is far superior, and has both windage and elevation adjustments...
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 12, 2020, 12:11:58 PM: ...... and down the rabbit hole he goes..... lol
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Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 12, 2020, 12:13:22 PM: WHOO-HOO!!!!
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 12, 2020, 12:13:54 PM: Speaking of which...
Will the LPA MIM sight be too high for the stock front blade?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: sb327 on July 12, 2020, 12:17:59 PM: Hats off to the OP for seeing this through! Now others can learn from this thread.

Dave
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: YEMX on July 12, 2020, 12:23:55 PM: Quote from: avator on July 12, 2020, 12:13:54 PM
Speaking of which...
Will the LPA MIM sight be too high for the stock front blade?

That's a good question- but since the LPA rear sight is marketed as a great replacement rear sight with no front sight option (at least, non that I've seen), I would assume no- the LPA wouldn't be too tall for a stock front sight. I suppose an option would be to get either a front barrel band that's also an LDC mount and has a front blade built in... Or if the OP doesn't decide to use an LDC, he could get a Disco front sight and front sight mount, that should bring up the front sight a bit...
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 12, 2020, 12:31:35 PM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 12, 2020, 11:45:24 AM

As I recall, the steel breech is different for the 1322 than it is on the 1377. I think probe length or something like that.

No, the steel breech is the same but the probe and your barrel make the caliber. The front of the probe is different between .177 and .22. If you order the Pyramid kit it will come with one. I ordered my kits a long time ago from Crosman and they were out of .22 so I got .177. I took my one piece bolt/handle out of my 1322 and extracted the handle and tapped the hole for 8-32 and had the right probe. They are all interchangeable.

However you can screw up and get a Disco breech which has a screw position further back and it would not be compatible with a 1322. Now that I think of it the CCS 2400kt may have that breech(?) with the rear screw so maybe that wasnt a good suggestion to get a 2400kt.. Sorry.

Glad you got it working!
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 12, 2020, 12:36:46 PM: OK so, where are we now?
Steel breech kit.
LPA MIM.
Muzzle break.
Might as well get the 14" barrel while you're at it.....
See where we're going here? MUHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 12, 2020, 01:13:21 PM: Quote from: BigBird on July 12, 2020, 12:31:35 PM

No, the steel breech is the same but the probe and your barrel make the caliber.

However you can screw up and get a Disco breech which has a screw position further back and it would not be compatible with a 1322. Now that I think of it the CCS 2400kt may have that breech(?) with the rear screw so maybe that wasnt a good suggestion to get a 2400kt.. Sorry.

True - kit breeches are the same.

My 2400KT has the rear screw location in the breech. But many if not most or all 22XX (including my two 2250 tubes) tubes have both screw locations available for use. I cannot recall if, when I installed a Mellon flow-through bolt/probe, the 2400KT has both holes in the tube.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Spooner on July 12, 2020, 01:21:45 PM: Quote from: avator on July 12, 2020, 12:13:54 PM
Speaking of which...
Will the LPA MIM sight be too high for the stock front blade?
i have the LPA on my 1377. it worked fine with the stock sight as well as the fiber optic front sight i added when i changed to the LW 14.5" barrel. it is a fantastic rear sight. 8)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Spooner on July 12, 2020, 01:26:25 PM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 12, 2020, 11:45:24 AM
Friends

I’m pleased (and proud) to report success.

The pump gets increasingly harder to pump from 3-10.

I’ve zeroed it in with my BSA red dot (not a laser). Only took about 20 minutes and 15 pellets. I just didn’t want to waste more time zeroing in the iron sites. The BSA consistently zeroed inside the ‘diamond’ of the bullseye on the targets.ws zeroing chart. So this pistol is now hitting the inside of a 1” square. Squirrels and chipmunks beware.

Now that I’m a ‘gunsmith’ (laughing so hard inside my stomach hurts) I think I’ll spring for the Crosman long steel breech (as was recommended many pages ago) just for the 1322. As I recall, the steel breech is different for the 1322 than it is on the 1377. I think probe length or something like that.

Again thanks all for chiming in with all the support, advice, diagrams, etc. GTA is great and so are all of you. :D
fantastic news!!! 8)

vermin beware!!! ;)

...and down the path of the darkside you go, hahahahaha!!! ;)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Spooner on July 12, 2020, 01:54:14 PM: Quote from: BigBird on July 12, 2020, 12:31:35 PM
Quote from: S2kohio on July 12, 2020, 11:45:24 AM

As I recall, the steel breech is different for the 1322 than it is on the 1377. I think probe length or something like that.

No, the steel breech is the same but the probe and your barrel make the caliber. The front of the probe is different between .177 and .22.

so, i learned something from this thread already 8). i did not realize that the probe on the end of the bolt was different between the two calibers. i looked at both and sure enough... different! i ordered my long steel breech from pyramid for the 1377CCS (i accidently ordered the short steel breech when i had it built by Crosman) and got lucky i guess, lol. my 1322 i paid more attention when i had it built and the options i chose.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: YEMX on July 12, 2020, 02:26:46 PM: If ordering parts from Crosman, a somewhat cheap alternative bolt would be a Disco .22 bolt. It's got a longer probe that seats the pellet a little further into the barrel and looks like it would clear the TP... It also works with standard factory bolt handles. PN for the bolt: 2261-002.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 12, 2020, 05:28:58 PM: I started peeking at the rabbit hole and went to Crosman custom shop. I prefer pumpers, but they are out of stock on the 1300KT. So I looked at the 2400KT CO2.

Now I’m pretty cheap and I don’t want to pay more to shoot but I’d like the thoughts you might have on CO2 vs. 10 pumps to eradicate vermin. I will only be shooting probably from April thru October. Most likely not in winter.

My research tells me that you get about 35 to 40 effective shots on 1 CO2 cartridge. Also it seems you have to let it ‘cool down’ between shots - so having to wait is probably the same as having to pump.

I’d buy the .22 steel breech on Crosman but every time I’ve ever looked it’s out of stock. I thought they just pulled that during their holiday 20% off site wide sales.

I’ll save the rest of my questions as I get answers to this post.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 12, 2020, 05:44:09 PM: Mike, I thought you (and perhaps others here too) might find this interesting

https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/blog/2010/06/the-amazing-customizable-crosman-1377.html (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/blog/2010/06/the-amazing-customizable-crosman-1377.html)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 12, 2020, 05:52:30 PM: Ron..... I can see a brand new lego build in your near future..... lol
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 12, 2020, 06:02:28 PM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 12, 2020, 05:28:58 PM
I started peeking at the rabbit hole and went to Crosman custom shop.
So I looked at the 2400KT CO2.

HAHahahahhaha,.... and so it begins!
Mike, look WAAaaayyyy down deep into that hole.
You may need to shine a strong light to see all the way to the bottom.
Thats were you'll find Me, Bill, and a few hundred others.

I'll see if I can dig up some old posts on some of our "Franken-Guns".
Btw,.... has anyone mentiod to you what the real definition of the term "MOD" stands for ?
It stands for "Momentum Of Decent" (down the rabbit hole)

Hahahaha, this is going to get fun....
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 12, 2020, 06:08:49 PM: LOL.... I actually just finished one up.... well, it was a rebuild and update. I began with a rear cocker.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 12, 2020, 06:41:44 PM: Pay no attention to them ... it ain't all that bad down here, there is a cute Blonde girl, a Hatter, a Queen, a Cat, and....
This started life as a "Blister pack" 2240 and then I found a barrel on ebay. :o
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 12, 2020, 06:44:12 PM: Quote from: avator on July 12, 2020, 05:52:30 PM
Ron..... I can see a brand new lego build in your near future..... lol

Bill, think I you might be right.
I have taken a few of mine apart and have never put them back together.
I have box full of stuff that will probably build 2 or 3 complete guns.
A while back, I also acquired one of those "Exclusive" Brand, (sidelever breeches) that uses the M-rod magazines.
It is currently residing on a simple cart-powered 2240 (just to test the quality of the breech itself).
I now do believe it would be worthy of getting installed on one of my "Radical Rodent Reaper" , Rear Bottled Franken-guns.

here's a couple of the old threads , (I'll see if I can find some more)

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=151308.msg1548081#msg1548081 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=151308.msg1548081#msg1548081)

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=101626.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=101626.0)

Mike,
Before you go down this road/hole,.....
..... OOPS,.... Nevermind !
Here ya go - https://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/ (https://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 12, 2020, 07:04:34 PM: OK,
I found the original thread I started for the "Radical Rodent Reaper" build.
(This ought to bring back a few memories)

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=98677.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=98677.0)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Glasstomb on July 12, 2020, 07:26:36 PM: And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know your going to fall
Tell'em a 1377 pumper
Has given you the call.
Call any who replied here
I think they'll know.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 12, 2020, 07:28:53 PM: HAHAHA
classic!
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 12, 2020, 07:48:28 PM: Quote from: Glasstomb on July 12, 2020, 07:26:36 PM
And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know your going to fall
Tell'em a 1377 pumper
Has given you the call.
Call any who replied here
I think they'll know.
PERFECT !
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 12, 2020, 08:05:37 PM: Will the real 180 please stand up.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 12, 2020, 08:06:53 PM: If you hadn't noticed... the top one is the real 180.
The bottom on began life as a 2240 pistol.
And as time went on it even went HPA with a 2260 tube and pinned valve.
Now it lives in my BugOut bag with a Chinese hand pump.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 12, 2020, 08:10:47 PM: Release the Kracken...
Also a 2240 pistol.... I went deep on this one.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 12, 2020, 08:16:15 PM: And we can go the other way as well because size really does matter.

Twisted Sister
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 12, 2020, 08:20:56 PM: The whole 'lego' platform is soooo fun. It's truly the erector set of airguns.
Buy the basic gun for $50 and build on it one or two parts at a time.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 12, 2020, 08:35:56 PM: After/Since Photobucket went all wonky on us, I've not been able to post pics on the forum.
I really wish we could post them straight from our phones .
I'd like to share a pic of my 2240 wearing a 18" barrel, shoulder stock, and the Exclusive Repeater Breech.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Tack Driver 10 on July 12, 2020, 08:41:58 PM: Quote from: Glasstomb on July 12, 2020, 07:26:36 PM
And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know your going to fall
Tell'em a 1377 pumper
Has given you the call.
Call any who replied here
I think they'll know.

Love that song, Grace Slick really belts it out.

Took the liberty and modified your lyrics a little:

And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know your going to fall
Tell'em Crosman
Has given you the call.
Call Robert (Bob Stern)
I think he'll know.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Back_Roads on July 12, 2020, 09:09:43 PM: Hmm I still have not bought a 2240, keep saying I am, do the whole Custom shop Layout then decide on the next new flashy gun that comes along LOL
Seems like one of them guns you can not just have one, way too many options, and knowing me I will dump FX $ into them if at all possible ;) ;D 8)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 12, 2020, 09:20:41 PM: Quote from: Gertrude on July 12, 2020, 08:35:56 PM
After/Since Photobucket went all wonky on us, I've not been able to post pics on the forum.
I really wish we could post them straight from our phones .
I'd like to share a pic of my 2240 wearing a 18" barrel, shoulder stock, and the Exclusive Repeater Breech.

Ron there is a free app called "Lit Photo" for your phone that lets you resize your pics and save them in a folder on it.
Super easy. I resize mine about 30% to post direct here.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 12, 2020, 09:47:08 PM: Quote from: Back_Roads on July 12, 2020, 09:09:43 PM
Hmm I still have not bought a 2240, keep saying I am, do the whole Custom shop Layout then decide on the next new flashy gun that comes along LOL
Seems like one of them guns you can not just have one, way too many options, and knowing me I will dump FX $ into them if at all possible ;) ;D 8)
AHhhhh Yeeesss!

We have yet another little fishy nibbeling at the bait ! ;D ;D ;D
Come on little fishy,... go ahead,...just take one little bite,... ??? ;) :o
We promise it wont hurt much, :o ;D 8)
BWA-HAHAhahahahaha ! ! !

Quote from: Hoosier Daddy on July 12, 2020, 09:20:41 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 12, 2020, 08:35:56 PM
After/Since Photobucket went all wonky on us, I've not been able to post pics on the forum.
I really wish we could post them straight from our phones .
I'd like to share a pic of my 2240 wearing a 18" barrel, shoulder stock, and the Exclusive Repeater Breech.

Ron there is a free app called "Lit Photo" for your phone that lets you resize your pics and save them in a folder on it.
Super easy. I resize mine about 30% to post direct here.

Thanks Scott,
I'll check it out and see if my VERY LIMITED 'Puter skills will cooperate.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 13, 2020, 01:47:32 AM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 12, 2020, 05:28:58 PM
I started peeking at the rabbit hole and went to Crosman custom shop. I prefer pumpers, but they are out of stock on the 1300KT. So I looked at the 2400KT CO2.

Now I’m pretty cheap and I don’t want to pay more to shoot but I’d like the thoughts you might have on CO2 vs. 10 pumps to eradicate vermin. I will only be shooting probably from April thru October. Most likely not in winter.

My research tells me that you get about 35 to 40 effective shots on 1 CO2 cartridge. Also it seems you have to let it ‘cool down’ between shots - so having to wait is probably the same as having to pump.

I’d buy the .22 steel breech on Crosman but every time I’ve ever looked it’s out of stock. I thought they just pulled that during their holiday 20% off site wide sales.

I’ll save the rest of my questions as I get answers to this post.

It's a heck of a deal for what you get. Plus it seems more like a repeater. Get that 18" barrel and you can lego it and switch barrels with your 1322. CO2 however does do better with long barrels. Breech I'm not sure you can switch out with your 1322 due to the rear hole. Can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Bentong on July 13, 2020, 06:47:07 AM: It's a drop in swap from plastic to steel breech.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: sb327 on July 13, 2020, 07:06:50 AM: Quote from: Gertrude on July 12, 2020, 08:35:56 PM
After/Since Photobucket went all wonky on us, I've not been able to post pics on the forum.
I really wish we could post them straight from our phones .
I'd like to share a pic of my 2240 wearing a 18" barrel, shoulder stock, and the Exclusive Repeater Breech.

Try this....take a picture from farther away, then edit/crop it to only include the subject. This effectively decreases size. Then use the ‘Attachments and other options’ tab just below the reply window.

Not sure on Android but the IOS asks now what size you want to attach. I always choose medium and it works fine.

Dave
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 13, 2020, 08:07:59 AM: So, I back to looking at the custom shop

There’s the 2400KT that gives options for breech, barrel, optics

There’s the 2400KT that does not give option for breech. It’s the same price to start as the 2300KT. It has options for optics. Does it come with a steel breech? The custom shop has no link to ask questions.

Also, the stock trigger spring not worthy. Too much pull. But I don’t see an option to get a lighter spring.

I guess the custom shop isn’t that custom at all

I also don’t see an option for a quick release pin for shoulder stock and I really HATE losing the safety ball when trying to install it (because I don’t have a vise to put it in when working on it).

I was going to simply buy a steel breech for my 1322 but I’m still not sure that it’s up to spec on the FPS.

I think I’ve been bitten by the Modicus Crosmanascious bug. Decisions decisions.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 13, 2020, 08:43:12 AM: I think all CCS guns come with the steel breech. You have the option of which. The trigger issue is easy to fix. A lighter spring from the hardware store. They need to consider safety in what they sell so they insure that the spring is heavy to avoid incident.... what you do after it's yours is your business.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 13, 2020, 09:16:06 AM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 13, 2020, 08:07:59 AM

There’s the 2400KT that gives options for breech, barrel, optics

There’s the 2400KT that does not give option for breech. It’s the same price to start as the 2300KT. It has options for optics. Does it come with a steel breech? The custom shop has no link to ask questions.

Also, the stock trigger spring not worthy. Too much pull. But I don’t see an option to get a lighter spring.

I guess the custom shop isn’t that custom at all

Possibly a typing error above. There is only one 2400KT - the other is a 2300KT. The 2400KT has the 2250 gas tube - the 2300KT has the 2240 gas tube. (1.6" difference in length) Both have steel breeches, short on 2300KT (option of long) and long on 2400KT

One does does not get much "custom" at $80 - CCS gives the capability of getting desired parts factory assembled.

For a really light (say 1 pound) trigger, see the attachment. Re-contoured sear and clevis pin guide, both polished, and a shortened hardware store spring.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 13, 2020, 09:35:05 AM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 13, 2020, 08:07:59 AM

There’s the 2400KT that does not give option for breech. It’s the same price to start as the 2300KT. It has options for optics. Does it come with a steel breech? The custom shop has no link to ask questions.

Yes it is a steel breech but FYI as per the link below it has the rear hole so the breech won't interchange with your 1322. The 2400kt works out to be cheaper with the shoulder stock and you can't get a 18" barrel with the 2300.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51owgI2VBIL._AC_SY400_.jpg)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Glasstomb on July 13, 2020, 09:43:57 AM: Quote from: Tack Driver 10 on July 12, 2020, 08:41:58 PM
Love that song, Grace Slick really belts it out.

Took the liberty and modified your lyrics a little:

And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know your going to fall
Tell'em Crosman
Has given you the call.
Call Robert (Bob Stern)
I think he'll know.

She sends her love.....
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 13, 2020, 10:17:24 AM: The image in BigBird's post shows the contents of a steel breech kit with the rear 4-48 machine screw location. Current steel breech kits have the forward location. Of notable importance, is the relieved hammer (not included) necessary to clear the 4-48 machine screw on a rear screw location breech.

Crosman created considerable confusion for the uninitiated with the two breech screw locations. But the two locations were necessary because of the plastic breech on standard 2240 pistols. The construction of the plastic breech and its bolt with a pressed in, non-removable handle, requires the forward screw location. With the 2300S and 2300T pistols and their steel breech, a rear screw location was preferred for easier, smoother pellet loading.

Breeches with the rear screw location require removal of the bolt handle for access to the 4-48 machine screw.

Bottom line: Breeches with the forward screw allow a bit easier installation and disassembly. Breeches with the rear screw location allow easier, smoother pellet loading.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 13, 2020, 10:53:15 AM: Quote from: CraigH on July 13, 2020, 10:17:24 AM
The image in BigBird's post shows the contents of a steel breech kit with the rear 4-48 machine screw location. Current steel breech kits have the forward location. Of notable importance, is the relieved hammer (not included) necessary to clear the 4-48 machine screw on a rear screw location breech.

Crosman created considerable confusion for the uninitiated with the two breech screw locations. But the two locations were necessary because of the plastic breech on standard 2240 pistols. The construction of the plastic breech and its bolt with a pressed in, non-removable handle, requires the forward screw location. With the 2300S and 2300T pistols and their steel breech, a rear screw location was preferred for easier, smoother pellet loading.

Breeches with the rear screw location require removal of the bolt handle for access to the 4-48 machine screw.

Bottom line: Breeches with the forward screw allow a bit easier installation and disassembly. Breeches with the rear screw location allow easier, smoother pellet loading.

Thank you! Thats the confirmation I was looking for. NOW I'M GETTING THE HANKERING FOR A 2400KT! Hey, that is a heck of a value cause you get the much saught after longer 2250 tube. I'd HPA it (pin the valve with 10-32 screws) for a little more volume than the 2240 and lmore manageable pistol than the 2260. I don't think you can get a part from Crosman for the 2250 tube anymore right (only through CCS)? This is lazer stamped.

Which begs the question, why is the 2300 MORE??
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 13, 2020, 11:01:13 AM: I don't know about 2250 tube availability - I bought two about two years ago.

Do you mean the cost of the 2300KT at CCS? I don't understand either, but that and the 2250 tube is why I have the 2400KT.

Or are you talking about the 2300S and 2300T models.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 13, 2020, 11:29:16 AM: Quote from: CraigH on July 13, 2020, 11:01:13 AM
I don't know about 2250 tube availability - I bought two about two years ago.

Do you mean the cost of the 2300KT at CCS? I don't understand either, but that and the 2250 tube is why I have the 2400KT.

Or are you talking about the 2300S and 2300T models.

Maybe I tried to get a 2250 lazer etched tube from Crosman and couldnt. Dont remember but I purchased 2260 instead. Yeah the CCS 2300 works out to be more than the 2400kt. I don't know what the KT, S, T stand for.

In HPA the 2240 tube gets about 5-7 shots but the 2250 should be more useable. 2260 is a large pistol but gets a lot more HPA shots, is packable for hunting and better for big bore builds(!).
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 13, 2020, 11:43:34 AM: I built my 2 hpa conversion carbines with the 2260 tubes.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 13, 2020, 11:58:21 AM: Ok, let's go back to the 'rabbit hole' thing just for the sake of proper enablement.... ;)

The depth of the hole greatly depends on your ability to catch a grip onto the slippery slopes. Some are better than others... I seem to be in the 'others' group.
Some would buy a Fortitude and be happy. However, I'm a true believer in the concept of, "Destination is but an end to an adventure".
That said..... here is "Woodus Scopus Maximus Repeatus" (WSMR.22)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 13, 2020, 12:15:22 PM: Two standard production pistols - non CCS.

"S" -- Silhouette

"T" -- Target
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 13, 2020, 12:31:19 PM: Quote from: avator on July 13, 2020, 11:58:21 AM
Ok, let's go back to the 'rabbit hole' thing just for the sake of proper enablement.... ;)

The depth of the hole greatly depends on your ability to catch a grip onto the slippery slopes. Some are better than others... I seem to be in the 'others' group.
Some would buy a Fortitude and be happy. However, I'm a true believer in the concept of, "Destination is but an end to an adventure".
That said..... here is "Woodus Scopus Maximus Repeatus" (WSMR.22)
And for relevance, you CAN use a Maximus barrel on a 1322! That is a 26" barrel.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: superchikn on July 13, 2020, 12:56:36 PM: Lots of interesting discussion here.

Mike,
Very impressed with your "sudden" transformation from timid non tinkerer through fixer and " now I want to start modding"!
My hat is off to you sir. I have always been a tinkerer. I am not capable of leaving anything assembled.

Others,
I have a Baker aluminum breech with left sided bolt handle on a 1377. What is the difference between a long and a short steel breech though?

Thanks.

BTW Mike, a little grease on the safety ball and spring will help keep things from rolling out of position.
I bought a pack of 100 balls last year on Amazon. These balls may not be very big but I have a lot of 'em.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 13, 2020, 01:22:19 PM: Quote from: Gertrude on July 12, 2020, 06:44:12 PM
Quote from: avator on July 12, 2020, 05:52:30 PM
Ron..... I can see a brand new lego build in your near future..... lol

Bill, think I you might be right.
I have taken a few of mine apart and have never put them back together.
I have box full of stuff that will probably build 2 or 3 complete guns.
A while back, I also acquired one of those "Exclusive" Brand, (sidelever breeches) that uses the M-rod magazines.
It is currently residing on a simple cart-powered 2240 (just to test the quality of the breech itself).
I now do believe it would be worthy of getting installed on one of my "Radical Rodent Reaper" , Rear Bottled Franken-guns.

here's a couple of the old threads , (I'll see if I can find some more)

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=151308.msg1548081#msg1548081 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=151308.msg1548081#msg1548081)

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=101626.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=101626.0)

Mike,
Before you go down this road/hole,.....
..... OOPS,.... Nevermind !
Here ya go - https://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/ (https://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/)
I looked at those 'Exclusive' side lever breeches. That's not a 'drop in' by no means. You have to cut and inlet the breech end of the barrel and cut the ice maker tube transfer port to size (no biggie there). That and the cost of it stopped me.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Tack Driver 10 on July 13, 2020, 03:00:02 PM: Quote from: Glasstomb on July 13, 2020, 09:43:57 AM
Quote from: Tack Driver 10 on July 12, 2020, 08:41:58 PM
Love that song, Grace Slick really belts it out.

Took the liberty and modified your lyrics a little:

And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know your going to fall
Tell'em Crosman
Has given you the call.
Call Robert (Bob Stern)
I think he'll know.

She sends her love.....

LOL....Thanks, I'll always cherish it.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 13, 2020, 03:04:47 PM: Quote from: superchikn on July 13, 2020, 12:56:36 PM

I have a Baker aluminum breech with left sided bolt handle on a 1377. What is the difference between a long and a short steel breech though?

Just the length forward of the breech (pellet tray) opening - so more barrel engagement.

Not having any short steel breeches, I cannot give the difference in length.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: superchikn on July 13, 2020, 03:29:16 PM: Quote from: CraigH on July 13, 2020, 03:04:47 PM
Quote from: superchikn on July 13, 2020, 12:56:36 PM

I have a Baker aluminum breech with left sided bolt handle on a 1377. What is the difference between a long and a short steel breech though?

Just the length forward of the breech (pellet tray) opening - so more barrel engagement.

Not having any short steel breeches, I cannot give the difference in length.
Thanks.

After I typed that I was looking at the long and short breeches on CCS trying to figure it out and greater barrel stability was what i was thinking.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 13, 2020, 03:54:47 PM: Quote from: superchikn on July 13, 2020, 03:29:16 PM
Quote from: CraigH on July 13, 2020, 03:04:47 PM
Quote from: superchikn on July 13, 2020, 12:56:36 PM

I have a Baker aluminum breech with left sided bolt handle on a 1377. What is the difference between a long and a short steel breech though?

Just the length forward of the breech (pellet tray) opening - so more barrel engagement.

Not having any short steel breeches, I cannot give the difference in length.
Thanks.

After I typed that I was looking at the long and short breeches on CCS trying to figure it out and greater barrel stability was what i was thinking.
Also, (when the intention is to eventually mount a scope),
the longer breech better allows for positioning the scope for setting up proper eye relief.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 13, 2020, 08:08:41 PM: Guys

I’m bummed out. After all the work on my 1322 I see that the front sight is still tilted to the left.

I can take it apart (no, I don’t want to) but how can I fix the front sight?

I can’t see how to take it apart. I thought bill said once I fixed the misaligned cylinder the front sight would be ‘fixed’.

If I had a sledgehammer I’d smash the S outta this pistol.

By the way I heard from Crosman and they want me to send it in for warranty repair. Who knows when I’d get it back or if it’s even be fixed to factory specs.

Ackkkkkk :( >:( :'(
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 13, 2020, 08:14:38 PM: Send it.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 13, 2020, 08:21:17 PM: I concur with Mr avator. You have however had the benefit of being well immersed in beginner air gun repair.

If sending it in for warranty repair, ensure the issues are well documented.

The pistol may come back very well fitted - especially for such an inexpensive air gun.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 13, 2020, 08:32:25 PM: Quote from: BigBird on July 13, 2020, 09:35:05 AM
Quote from: S2kohio on July 13, 2020, 08:07:59 AM

Yes it is a steel breech but FYI as per the link below it has the rear hole so the breech won't interchange with your 1322. The 2400kt works out to be cheaper with the shoulder stock and you can't get a 18" barrel with the 2300.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51owgI2VBIL._AC_SY400_.jpg)

Ok so here’s the next question. From what you said, the 2400KT is the better pistol to order from CCS. You suggest the 18” barrel but WAY UP in this thread the 14.5” barrel was recommended.

I’m disgusted with my FUBAR 1322. So I’m thinking the time has come to purchase from CCS. I’m at the point to take all suggestions of which pistol to get. I’ve come to the conclusion that I might like to give up pumping for CO2 - if only to get a pistol actually put together by a human who might actually install the cylinders correctly and set the front iron sight in a vertical position.

But I’d also like to put some type of suppressor on it to make it whisper quiet.

Realistically, this is beyond my capabilities. I have a few pathetic tools - a 9V Royobi drill, a few screwdrivers, some pliers, a hammer, and now an SAE Allen wrench set. The 1322 is lucky that some years ago someone stole my sledgehammer. No workbench, vise, lathe, or anything else here.

So what muzzle brake do I order from CSS so someone here can sell the part to quiet the pistol. Guess I need to ask if CO2 is louder than 10 pumps.

More soon, as I ruminate further on the subject.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Tack Driver 10 on July 13, 2020, 08:35:22 PM: X3, What could possibly go wrong?

The gun is of little use so give Crosman a chance to make it right.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 13, 2020, 08:48:21 PM: Mike,

A muzzle brake is NOT a suppressor, or moderator, or LDC (take your choice of nomenclature - I prefer moderator). In fact, a brake may make the pistol a bit louder to the shooter or persons to the side (depending on where the cutouts are located). That is certainly true with firearms, perhaps not so much with lower powered air guns.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 13, 2020, 08:53:12 PM: Quote from: CraigH on July 13, 2020, 08:48:21 PM
Mike,

A muzzle brake is NOT a suppressor, or moderator, or LDC (take your choice of nomenclature - I prefer moderator). In fact, a brake may make the pistol a bit louder to the shooter or persons to the side (depending on where the cutouts are located). That is certainly true with firearms, perhaps not so much with lower powered air guns.
100% agreed
If you do order a CCS gun, just get the regular front sight on it.

Then, send a PM to Rocker1 to order one of his LDC's. you are fully capable of instating it onto the new gun once it arrives.
Tell him you want it to be as close to "Mouse Fart Quiet" as possible. You won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 13, 2020, 08:54:51 PM: Several are available. Such as TKO. You can even commission our own Rocker1 to make you one. Just send him a PM. As they say.... your gun will be mouse fart quiet.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 13, 2020, 08:55:22 PM: HAHAHA Ron beats me to the punch again.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 13, 2020, 10:18:00 PM: Thanks for the info. I sent Rocker1 a PM. Now I think I want to get a 2400KT based on it being a ‘better’ pistol than the 2300KT from info gleaned the collective. The 2400 comes with the longer steel breech and it has a better barrel (not sure how/why). I will also get the plain front sight.

SO here’s the next Q - the 2400KT with 14.5 barrel or an 18” barrel?

And what’s the real skinny between the crosman barrel and the expensive barrel (I forget the name).

Hope you guys aren’t getting ‘tired’ of all my posts/questions.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 13, 2020, 10:34:13 PM: Get either the 14" or the 18" Crosman barrel. Your choice. Just keep in mind that the LDC is going to add another 5"-6" to the length of the gun.
Personally, for a Co2 powered 2240, I'd stay with the 14".

You wont need the Lothar Walther barrel for what you will be using the gun for, and you don't need to spend the extra money on it either.
We'll be happy to do that for you. Lol.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 13, 2020, 10:51:26 PM: Ok I’m going to go to CO2. Hope I’ll enjoy it as I do my current 1377 pumper and previously my 1322.

I’ll get the 2400KT with the 14.6” barrel and the regular front blade sight with the regular shoulder stock (it comes with long steel breech), no optics and no trigger shoe. The price is $87.60.

But I can’t figure out why the 2300kT with the same choices costs $101.31 while the 2400KT is only $87.60 with the same choices of options.

What am I missing? Why is the 2400 $13.71 cheaper?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 13, 2020, 10:58:10 PM: It is a curiosity that the 2300KT has a higher price than the 2400KT. But that is the case and no one can explain that situation. You are not missing anything.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 13, 2020, 11:28:58 PM: What’s the specific difference between the base 2300KT and the 2400 KT
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Treeman63 on July 13, 2020, 11:40:41 PM: Tons of info in this thread so I thought I would add some....:^)
Regarding the traitorous safety ball. I cannot remember at the moment if it is size 5 or 7 but steel shotgun shot works fine for the ball. The dirty little spring is what gives me more grief and some disposable butane lighters contain a spring that is suitable in diameter and can be trimmed to length ( but it is a bit weak).

Regarding replacement breeches... it is noteworthy that the Baker aluminium breech can utililize the factory rear sight. It is lighter in weight than the Crosman steel breeches but much more solid than the plastic breech and accepts tip off mounts/optics.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 14, 2020, 12:59:15 AM: I think the main difference is the 2300kt is the normal 2240 CO2 tube but is lazer etched with the warning instead of pressed roll stamped. The 2400kt has the 2250 tube (etched too) and forend stock, which by the way is "what everyone is looking for". I wish there was a 3d print of that one! Get the 2400kt now before they realize the pricing or the 2400 is sold out.

I think you'll like whatever length barrel you get. Even with a moderator you will be able to put it in a large backpack (with pistol grips beside the shoulder stock). It's nice to pack it to go camping, remove pests at a friends house, etc. without having a gun case.

You can get a 3d printed moderator for cheap here in the member classified. Forgot his name...
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: YEMX on July 14, 2020, 08:09:27 AM: I still feel that the 14", or 14.5" Crosman barrel will be your best bet. Long enough to see more efficiency, short enough to be truly compact. As Gertrude said, you really don't need the more expensive barrel. If you're that interested, you can build another pistol down the road. ;D If you get a threaded LDC adapter, and a thread-on LDC, you can remove it for travel and have a really compact package.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 14, 2020, 08:16:40 AM: Quote from: BigBird on July 14, 2020, 12:59:15 AM
I think the main difference is the 2300kt is the normal 2240 CO2 tube but is lazer etched with the warning instead of pressed roll stamped. The 2400kt has the 2250 tube (etched too) and forend stock, which by the way is "what everyone is looking for". I wish there was a 3d print of that one! Get the 2400kt now before they realize the pricing or the 2400 is sold out.

You can get a 3d printed moderator for cheap here in the member classified. Forgot his name...

What’s a fore end stock?

I’m ordering it with the least expensive shoulder stock, which I assume is a standard 1399.

What is the noise difference (or is it the same) between CO2 and 10 pumps on a 1322/1377?

I Was quoted $55 for a moderator.

While I was typing this Tom posted the following excerpt “ If you get a threaded LDC adapter, and a thread-on LDC you can remove it for travel” What the heck is that, where do you buy it, how do you install it, and does it work on the Crosman 14.5” barrel from the CCS?

Again thanks for replies. I see I’m entering the rabbit hole. strike that, I’m in 😜
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 14, 2020, 08:45:39 AM: Consider holding a rifle with 2 hands. One hand is on the 'wrist' (trigger hand). The other hand is on the 'fore end'... that is the fore end stock.
As for threaded adapter....
Some moderators are held onto the barrel with set (Allen) screws. Some thread on. If your barrel is not threaded then you will want an adapter that attaches to the barrel with set screws and has threads for the screw on moderator.
The person who makes your moderator should ask, or know if you need one when you tell them what gun you are using it for.... if not, make sure they know.
For your gun you will need an adapter or a moderator that fastens on with the set screw.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 14, 2020, 08:50:18 AM: My suggestion..... if you are not financially strapped, hang on to the 1322. It's a good start for a tinker project down the road. You've already dipped your toes into the rabbit hole, it won't end here.... ;)

I mean, at this point, your only issue is a misaligned front sight blade.... easy fix. Tap it off and realign it or pick up a moderator/muzzle brake for the gun. If you choose a moderator/muzzle brake, it's going to have to come off anyways.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: YEMX on July 14, 2020, 08:51:12 AM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 14, 2020, 08:16:40 AM
What’s a fore end stock?

What is the noise difference (or is it the same) between CO2 and 10 pumps on a 1322/1377?

I Was quoted $55 for a moderator.

While I was typing this Tom posted the following excerpt “ If you get a threaded LDC adapter, and a thread-on LDC you can remove it for travel” What the heck is that, where do you buy it, how do you install it, and does it work on the Crosman 14.5” barrel from the CCS?

A fore end is a piece of plastic in front of the trigger to cover up the bare tube. The plastic bit that you grab on your 13xx is a fore end.

Sound is subjective, and IMO, the sound that a CO₂ gun makes and a pump gun (or a PCP) sound different. The tone I mean- but as far as loudness, I'd say CO₂ is a touch louder. Again, that's just my opinion.

Lead dust collector (LDC), moderator, suppressor, muffler, pickle- they're all the same thing. There are more than a few places to get a LDC threaded adapter- I'm sure Rocker1 can make you one to match his LDC if you inquire about one. If you want to get the adapter from someone else, DonnyFL has them available (donnyfl.com). You can also find them on ebay- but be sure to check on the quality of the part your getting... As far as fitment, it'll fit on a 14"+ barrel. No worries there. The only bad part is, you'll lose your front sight. However, ask Rocker1 if he'd be willing to make a threaded adapter that will also mount a factory front sight... DonnyFL doesn't make a LDC adapter w/a provision for a front sight.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 14, 2020, 09:14:37 AM: I do not like adapters and resist them - as if manufacturers care - hoping to see more proper threaded barrels of other than 1/2"x20tpi.

But here it is:

Crosman part numbers (From Maximus Hunter and Euro Models):

6-2250XL-001 Adapter
GBMP-033 Dust Cover (cap to protect threads)

Non-Crosman image of product:

https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/MTA2NVgxNTk5/z/1EwAAOSwt0dcEgtX/ (https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/MTA2NVgxNTk5/z/1EwAAOSwt0dcEgtX/)$/Silencer-Adapter-for-Benjamin-Discovery-Crosman-Maximus-_1.jpg

And now many aliexpress vendors have them. ::)

Any vendor of moderators could choose to make versions for Crosman 7/16" barrels. Obviously the owner would have the barrel threaded.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: YEMX on July 14, 2020, 09:32:11 AM: I also prefer threaded barrels- but the crosman barrels are a little thin, and that's more work/money the OP has to go through. Hence the adapter idea. For Crosmans, I like tight fitting adapters- one's you have to heat up (or freeze the barrel) to install. It's easy to do and pretty much permanent. I think the reason 1/2-20 is the standard is because it can be used all the way up to .30 cal, and it's not at all used in the firearms industry for anything dealing with suppressors or muzzle brakes.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 14, 2020, 10:14:49 AM: From the above posts, I see that to install Rocker1's moderator I would have to remove the front sight (also remove it to straighten it out).

I read 'tap it out'. How exactly is that done? Where on the front sight do I start tapping? What tools do I need?

Any step by step advise / instructions appreciated.

Sorry guys - stupid noob here in all his glory (and embarrassment).
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 14, 2020, 10:25:42 AM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 14, 2020, 10:14:49 AM
From the above posts, I see that to install Rocker1's moderator I would have to remove the front sight (also remove it to straighten it out).

I read 'tap it out'. How exactly is that done? Where on the front sight do I start tapping? What tools do I need?

Any step by step advise / instructions appreciated.

Sorry guys - stupid noob here in all his glory (and embarrassment).

Mike,
Youtube is your friend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROP6vZK1y_g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROP6vZK1y_g)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt9nwa_HCxw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt9nwa_HCxw)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-57iuFA85HA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-57iuFA85HA)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIrQNJCjGKY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIrQNJCjGKY)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34dYZqxzck8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34dYZqxzck8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eQkpN36IXw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eQkpN36IXw)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FTeFJXzA9E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FTeFJXzA9E)

and theres plenty more like these for the 2240 / 2400kt as well

Happy Binge-watching
hahaha
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 14, 2020, 10:31:19 AM: Additional point not mentioned in the video.

Hold the barrel-breech area firmly, especially with a plastic breech.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 14, 2020, 10:45:19 AM: Quote from: CraigH on July 14, 2020, 10:31:19 AM
Additional point not mentioned in the video.

Hold the barrel-breech area firmly, especially with a plastic breech.

Thats a Very Good point indeed.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 14, 2020, 11:53:41 AM: How about these questions for purchase from CCS

1. Do I buy the $10 lifetime warranty?

2. Engraving - yes a personal choice but if I ever want to sell the pistol I assume engraving will reduce resale.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Tack Driver 10 on July 14, 2020, 11:56:28 AM: Added a CSS 2400KT to the stable a few years back when they went on sale, 20% off and free shipping on the 4th of July.
Wasn't really looking for another gun but too good to pass up.
With a 17 cal 14 1/2" LW barrel cost $105 to my door.
My advise, get the 22 cal barrel.

My guns don't stay stock very long so here's a few pics of it in different dress.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 14, 2020, 12:46:37 PM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 14, 2020, 11:53:41 AM
How about these questions for purchase from CCS

1. Do I buy the $10 lifetime warranty?

2. Engraving - yes a personal choice but if I ever want to sell the pistol I assume engraving will reduce resale.

Thoughts?

Both personal choices and hard to quantify.

1. I have not - but I find the 13xx and 22xx easy to work on (except for pumper cocking arm pins). It will have the one year warranty without paying for the lifetime warranty.

2. If concerned with an owner name, perhaps use a gun name or other alternative. One of mine is "Verminator". :D
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 14, 2020, 01:14:38 PM: All moderators mentioned are going to be great. And like I said listen to these guys /\ \/. Don't discount the 3D printed ones though. They slip on with a little pressure. I don't use any set screws on mine but you can or get 1/2-20 threaded too. Take on/off and they return to zero. There's things that you can do with a 3d print that you couldn't do on a lathe is all I'm saying. They are generally one piece which can be good or bad...

All have printed moderators except the 24" overcompensated 1322 which has a Trail baffle and a 1/2-20 to 7/16 crosman adapter that is the Euro maximus adapter which I added a set screw to. Works great too!

(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=7419)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 14, 2020, 04:49:49 PM: Spoke with Crosman Customer Support - Crosman will send me a NEW 1322 when it receives my returned clunker. I decided to send it back because I like the 1322 better than the 1377. I also have 4 1377's. I bought out the remaining Walmart 1377's (3 of them at $13 each) so I have them to play and tinker with.

THE BIG NEWS ----> I ordered the 2400KT from CCS with the 14.6" barrel, the cheapest shoulder stock, cheapest front blade, no optics, no trigger shoe, but I did wimp out and get the lifetime warranty (for better or worse for $10). Total price for the gun, just under $98.00. Unfortunately, the shipping was just under $15.

Hopefully, it will arrive in 3 rather than 6 weeks. When it does - get ready for the next battery of NOOB questions.

By the way, I did PM Rocker1 regarding the moderator. He states he does not put a front sight on his moderators - not cost effective. I did ask if it will be 'mouse fart quiet' but did not get an answer to that question. So, presumably all of his moderators are 'mouse fart quiet'.

BUT, since I want to keep shooting the 2400KT with iron sights (and a moderator) - what are the options (within reason). I just want to look into the rabbit hole (maybe about neck deep) and not fall into it.

Looking to keep shooting with ireon sites because I have 2 Simmods 4X scopes both of which I was never able to zero. I guess you get what you pay for ($30 each). Same with the BSA red dot (I did have better luck with that than the Simmonds. I'll chalk it up to the fact that both my 1377 and 1322 had plastic breech and I tried using the Crosman Dovetail adapters. Maybe the steel breech on the 2400KT will solve that problem. Who knows.
So now that I will be new to the CO2 airgun arena, are there any better CO2 cartridges to buy over others. Also, where do I find the cheapest ones.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 14, 2020, 05:29:22 PM: For the front sight, Get a 1/2-20 to crosman (7/16) adapter (for attaching a moderator). Rocker1 has these I think. There are some out there that have a set screw hole on top that goes down to your barrel flat portion on the muzzle. Replace that with a taller set screw. Since the screw indicates on the flat which should be on the top of your barrel, it should be centered (and act as your front sight post). Its metal so it should be more stable than your 1322 for sure. Attach a moderator or Rocker1 has the knurled twist on protector (IIRC).
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 14, 2020, 06:37:00 PM: In my reading, it seems that the 2400KT is MUCH louder than my 1322 or 1377. Can anyone give me an idea of how much louder it is without a moderator?
I'm concerned about the noise and the neighbors.

Thanks
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 14, 2020, 06:42:03 PM: It IS enough louder,
that you Will certainly need a moderator,
to quell your concerns of the neighbors.

With the moderator, it will be quieter than your 1322.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 14, 2020, 06:42:31 PM: If you have close neighbors and you are concerned about noise, you will want a moderator..... all I can say.
It's not as loud as a wide open PCP.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 14, 2020, 11:00:48 PM: Maybe this will give you and idea of what moderators will do on a 2400kt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvNMxOdh49s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvNMxOdh49s)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 15, 2020, 12:45:18 AM: Hi guys

Last question for the day.

I’m used to my 1322 & 1377 where I can either pump anywhere between 4-10 pumps depending on how hard/fast/far I want the pellet to go.

Since I just bought the 2400KT I’m wondering if there’s a way to slow down the pellet for indoor basement shooting during cold/bad weather.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Gertrude on July 15, 2020, 01:10:13 AM: Technical answer- Yes
Practical answer - No, not within your current skill-set.

On edit-
One possibility , (but not very practical,
AND, would require a full disassembly) would be to install the inner valve sleeve (part # 2300-037) from a Crosman 2300S Silhouette pistol.
This would reduce the valve plenum size, and thus reduce velocity.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 15, 2020, 02:44:09 AM: A couple options but smaller transfer port is probably better. Looks like you could get one from Crosman or maybe a Canadian has replaced theirs and you can get it for a few loonies? They probably cost a couple dollars from Crosman if you order anything.

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=27351.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=27351.0)

the hammer spring adjuster is another possible way.

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=83895.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=83895.0)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 15, 2020, 08:53:14 AM: You can tune (down) the 22xx guns with lighter hammer springs and/or less hammer spring preload.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 15, 2020, 08:58:19 AM: Less preload on a stock gun is going to require clipping the stock spring or replacing it. There is no adjustment on a stock gun for lessening preload in this platform.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 15, 2020, 10:15:37 AM: In thinking about it, I realized that I can still use my 1377 or 1322 to shoot at lower 'speeds'.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 15, 2020, 10:38:19 AM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 15, 2020, 10:15:37 AM
In thinking about it, I realized that I can still use my 1377 or 1322 to shoot at lower 'speeds'.

Regarding this post and 13xx pistols, there is little or no reason for minor hammer spring tuning or hammer spring adjusters. Just vary the number of punps.

But 22xx CO2 guns will response to lighter springs, clipped springs, power adjusters, and SSG devices.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 15, 2020, 03:00:37 PM: I bought this for the power adjuster...
https://onlinestore.magnumairpower.com/products/magnum-adjuster-22xx-black (https://onlinestore.magnumairpower.com/products/magnum-adjuster-22xx-black)

This is a good How-to on it
https://www.magnumairpower.com/rifle-magnum-adjuster.html (https://www.magnumairpower.com/rifle-magnum-adjuster.html)

If it fits a 2240 or 2260, it will fit a 2400KT
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 15, 2020, 03:38:54 PM: Order the one from Crosman for the Challenger and it's only like $12 and $4 shipping. I've ordered several.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 15, 2020, 04:16:56 PM: I have several of the Charles Mellon (MellonAir) PA's. Like the MAP PA, the spring can be removed without any disassembly. Much, much less than the MAP, but less bling appeal which suits me.

I have one Crosman PA assembly also.

All good.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 16, 2020, 12:22:45 AM: Any of you guys heard of or tried this item?

9 shot magazine for crosman steel breech 2240
And others.

It’s on UK eBay but seems to be out of stock.
I tried to attach screenshots but probly too big for to attach.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 16, 2020, 12:39:13 AM: Here is a thread asking the same thing a while back.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=157749.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=157749.0)
Probably the same thing different iteration.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Back_Roads on July 16, 2020, 08:50:23 AM: The new design of this mag uses a spring instead of a rubber band, Great item for quick follow ups.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 16, 2020, 04:56:32 PM: I’d love to get one but it seems to be unavailable. Bummer.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 17, 2020, 10:24:44 AM: Did I make a mistake by not ordering a trigger guard for my 2400KT from CCS?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 17, 2020, 10:32:51 AM: I should think they would come with a trigger guard. Are you sure you are not meaning a trigger shoe?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 17, 2020, 11:00:40 AM: Sorry, I’m asking about a trigger shoe. Did I make a mistake by not ordering one?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 17, 2020, 11:03:13 AM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 17, 2020, 11:00:40 AM
Sorry, I’m asking about a trigger shoe. Did I make a mistake by not ordering one?
Trigger shoes are a personal preference thing. I don't care for them myself.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 17, 2020, 11:58:59 AM: In addition to bling, I think the trigger shoe would also make the trigger feel a little easier to pull since it has more surface area so you have more square inches (PSI or pounds per square inch) pressing on the trigger.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 17, 2020, 12:35:30 PM: Anyone have the part numbers for the safety ball and the safety spring?
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 17, 2020, 12:50:51 PM: The entire parts list and exploded diagram is available for you on Crosman's website.
Here is the link to it you can download the PDF and save it for your own.
https://www.crosman.com/fileuploader/download/download/?d=0&file=custom%2Fupload%2FP1322_-EVP.pdf (https://www.crosman.com/fileuploader/download/download/?d=0&file=custom%2Fupload%2FP1322_-EVP.pdf)

#10 is the ball and #22 is the spring
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 17, 2020, 01:17:53 PM: Thanks. Made ordering easy.

I was shocked at the price of the safety ball and spring. Yikes.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 17, 2020, 01:28:12 PM: High demand..... everyone loses those things.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 17, 2020, 02:07:07 PM: But $1.15 each 🤯😭
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 17, 2020, 02:23:09 PM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 17, 2020, 01:17:53 PM
Thanks. Made ordering easy.

I was shocked at the price of the safety ball and spring. Yikes.

Crosman pays the guy working on the watchmakers lathe too much ;) These are the correct size and cheaper per unit.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07ND2ZQ84?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07ND2ZQ84?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title)

For the spring, go into the city where people still smoke traditional cigarettes and look for the discarded Bic lighter. Color makes no difference. Take off the metal top it should be under the flame adjustor button. Play it safe and make sure it is empty and you don't have an open flame nearby. Supply of free springs has taken a hit with this e-cig movement.

Here is a pic I found.
(https://cdn.instructables.com/F3Q/KE25/G02LS2UX/F3QKE25G02LS2UX.LARGE.jpg?auto=webp&frame=1&width=1024&height=1024&fit=bounds)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 18, 2020, 07:36:05 AM: ....and to think all these years I have been throwing away airgun parts when the butane ran out! ::)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Back_Roads on July 18, 2020, 09:22:23 AM: Quote from: Hoosier Daddy on July 18, 2020, 07:36:05 AM
....and to think all these years I have been throwing away airgun parts when the butane ran out! ::)
Not only parts , but a reactive target , then pick out the parts you want ;)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 18, 2020, 09:26:20 AM: (https://live.staticflickr.com/4018/4707656816_0a5ec48321_n.jpg)
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 18, 2020, 01:33:26 PM: As I stated, I purchased a 2400KT and I'm waiting for delivery. In anticipation, I'm looking at CO2 cartridges.

Now I'm stumped. Looking on Walmart I see a Crosman Powerlet Co2 12g cartridge with specs of L=3.75 W=3.75 and H=3.75

I then see another Crosman Co2 Powerlet 12g cartridge with specs of
L=3.75 W=4.5 H=.75

So which one will fit or will either and it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 18, 2020, 08:20:14 PM: If you have a Walmart near you they have a box of 40 for $15.97 or something for the crosman 12g powerlets.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 18, 2020, 09:04:28 PM: Dan

I have a Walmart but if you look at my post the specs for the two Crosman 40 12g powerlets showDIFFERENT dimensions. That’s my concern.

I think my 2400KT will be coming between 3-6 weeks (I hope since there’s a COVID-19 disclaimer re time). I just want to be ready with CO2 cartridges and moderator.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 18, 2020, 09:04:47 PM: Quote from: S2kohio on July 18, 2020, 01:33:26 PM
As I stated, I purchased a 2400KT and I'm waiting for delivery. In anticipation, I'm looking at CO2 cartridges.

Now I'm stumped. Looking on Walmart I see a Crosman Powerlet Co2 12g cartridge with specs of L=3.75 W=3.75 and H=3.75

I then see another Crosman Co2 Powerlet 12g cartridge with specs of
L=3.75 W=4.5 H=.75

So which one will fit or will either and it doesn't matter.

I know I answered this several hours ago - apparently must have hit the wrong button.

Another try.

All 12g CO2 cartridges are the same nominal dimension. Note these are impossible dimensions. Many online vendors have staff with poor skills as to what sort of dimensions are of importance. The dimension appear to be the size of the package that the cartridges are in.

The Walmart price posted by BigBird is good - occasionally it goes to $11.97.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Back_Roads on July 18, 2020, 10:17:58 PM: Yup never trust a big box store to actually know what their selling.
When I fell off the wagon with a I got lucky Beeman from Walmart, and went the internet to see what I was missing in the airgun world, and thankfully the GTA I found trust in what Pyramyd Air has to offer and they have improved on that ever since. My first Father in-law was in need for .22 rf little pop caps for squirrel, so we got him a case for Christmas because he could not find them in IL. Well the next day after he unwrapped them and some ammo boxes, he showed his new toy bought from ...... PA, he gave me my first Pyramid Air catalog, this is back in early 1990's Wow how things have changed, except for that Beeman .22 he got for squirrel, so he didn't need the low powered .22 rf after all LOL

OK after that long story, to save time and frustration, buy from people who live and breath the product you are wanting for best results and less confusion, and are willing to give you the airgun 101 if needed to decide your final purchase.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 20, 2020, 12:08:30 AM: Just realized that Pyramid Air is located about 8 miles from me. Wonder if the are open to public.

I’m gonna call them tomorrow since the bug bit me and I want to upgrade to steel breech 😱
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 20, 2020, 07:49:18 AM: HAHAHA It never even dawned on me how close you were to PA. I don't know if they are open to the public with the COVID-19 situation. Normally they would be.

Like previously posted, go to Walmart and buy a 40ct box of Crosman 12gram C02 carts. Then go to Tractor Supply and pick up a tin of Crosman Premere Ultra Mag Domes. 14.3gr.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: BigBird on July 20, 2020, 11:40:23 AM: Quote from: avator on July 20, 2020, 07:49:18 AM
HAHAHA It never even dawned on me how close you were to PA. I don't know if they are open to the public with the COVID-19 situation. Normally they would be.

Like previously posted, go to Walmart and buy a 40ct box of Crosman 12gram C02 carts. Then go to Tractor Supply and pick up a tin of Crosman Premere Ultra Mag Domes. 14.3gr.

Both sources are wiped out where I live for ammo and guns although Walmart had an adequate supply of CO2 cartridges. I think the crosman CO2 packages now are Red, White and Blue. Ironically, Daisy has the German flag colors (red, yellow and black).
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 20, 2020, 11:47:43 AM: Another brand is JT.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 20, 2020, 01:03:19 PM: My Walmart and Tractor Supply are both out of every pellet and Co2.
I have gotten JT carts through walmart.com "ship to store".
My Beeman AR 2078 punctures them better than Crosmans.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 20, 2020, 01:08:33 PM: I saw 1 tin of 14.3 CPUM in TSC yesterday. I didn't get them because I already have a good stock and because they jacked the price to 8.99.... :o ??? :-\
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 20, 2020, 06:30:21 PM: Quote from: BigBird on July 20, 2020, 11:40:23 AM
I think the crosman CO2 packages now are Red, White and Blue. Ironically, Daisy has the German flag colors (red, yellow and black).

To the best of my knowledge the Crosman's have been Red,White,and Blue for some time now
But yes the packaging has changed.
Older packaging on the top, new on the bottom.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: avator on July 20, 2020, 06:48:54 PM: Quote from: Hoosier Daddy on July 20, 2020, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: BigBird on July 20, 2020, 11:40:23 AM
I think the crosman CO2 packages now are Red, White and Blue. Ironically, Daisy has the German flag colors (red, yellow and black).

To the best of my knowledge the Crosman's have been Red,White,and Blue for some time now
But yes the packaging has changed.
Older packaging on the top, new on the bottom.
Interesting... I have 2 1/2 boxes of the old box style stashed, I hadn't noticed the change.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: YEMX on July 20, 2020, 08:03:38 PM: It's really ugly, and probably not what you're into, but it's really short for what it is, and will pack a punch... Just show's what you could do w/a 13xx

(https://i.imgur.com/cGVbXsR.jpg)

A touch over 30" OAL w/the LDC on, a touch under 26" w/o the LDC on.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on July 20, 2020, 08:46:46 PM: Quote from: avator on July 20, 2020, 06:48:54 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Daddy on July 20, 2020, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: BigBird on July 20, 2020, 11:40:23 AM
I think the crosman CO2 packages now are Red, White and Blue. Ironically, Daisy has the German flag colors (red, yellow and black).

To the best of my knowledge the Crosman's have been Red,White,and Blue for some time now
But yes the packaging has changed.
Older packaging on the top, new on the bottom.
Interesting... I have 2 1/2 boxes of the old box style stashed, I hadn't noticed the change.

I go though a lot of Co2 carts. ::)
Covid has me down to 120 Crosmans and 30 JT's.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: CraigH on July 20, 2020, 09:23:55 PM: Quote from: YEMX on July 20, 2020, 08:03:38 PM
It's really ugly, and probably not what you're into, but it's really short for what it is, and will pack a punch... Just show's what you could do w/a 13xx

A touch over 30" OAL w/the LDC on, a touch under 26" w/o the LDC on.

Nice, I like it! 8) Compact carbine. :D

Similarly to a few of my 22xx and 13xx air guns, the question arises -- are there any original 13xx parts? ;D
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: YEMX on July 20, 2020, 10:43:06 PM: Quote from: CraigH on July 20, 2020, 09:23:55 PM
Quote from: YEMX on July 20, 2020, 08:03:38 PM
It's really ugly, and probably not what you're into, but it's really short for what it is, and will pack a punch... Just show's what you could do w/a 13xx

A touch over 30" OAL w/the LDC on, a touch under 26" w/o the LDC on.

Nice, I like it! 8) Compact carbine. :D

Similarly to a few of my 22xx and 13xx air guns, the question arises -- are there any original 13xx parts? ;D

Thank you!! Only the barrel, tube, hammer, pump arm, misc. screws, and the TP... ;D ;D
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on July 21, 2020, 12:33:55 AM: It’s hard to get pellets right now. I just ordered 3 tins of 500 Winchester pointed .177 pellets from Walmart for $5.50 each. Reviews looked good and I’m almost out and the cphp are backordered everywhere.

In anticipation of my 2400KT delivery I also bought 3 cartons of 40 crosman 12g CO2 cartridges for $16.71 each.
Title: Re: My 1322 crosman is dead
Post by: s2kohio on August 03, 2020, 08:10:36 PM: Crosman replaced my defective 1322. Received it today. On this one, the front sight is aligned (straight) not canted at about 25-30 degrees left as it was on the defective one.

Since I’ve got a new super mag-flashlight I’m entering the dark rabbit hole. Would’ve ‘pulled the trigger’ on steel breeches but PA is out of stock on 1322 steel breech. When they’re in I’m going to get 1 for my 1322 and another for my 1377.

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