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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Bowtieguy_66 on October 28, 2018, 10:08:20 PM
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Hi,
Noob just wondering how bad they really are, i am seeing complaints from everyone on other makes of airguns.
I also cant find another manufacturer that makes a side lever synthetic stock with a bottle that is removable, like the FX Royale 400.
(I tend to be rough on things, plus forcing my way thru brush, im a little clumsy, and i cant go by any body water without falling in it)
I shy away cause others say “stay away from FX”. So are they really that bad? Seems Airgun Depot or the others would honor their sales, right?
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I have the Royale. It has been a fine gun. Very accurate and easy to work on. It's a proven design and a pleasure to shoot.
My only issue has been with the regulator. Here is recent string. I still think it could / should be more consistent.
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Vargas if you want tuff go warp by wicked air rifles.There tack drivers. :D
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+1! ;)
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when people tell you to stay away, ask them what kind of “problems” they been having. accuracy with fx is very good! fx guns are expensive in general. i have an fx revolution and it has been a pain to work on. has semi auto recycle problems...fixed it but took me 24 hours to do.
most royal and impact owners seem to be satisfied.
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$2,260 is a bit much, no doubt its a good pellet ripper, but. Decisions huh? I like that its made in USA.
I like the foreward action, and that its rugged.
Has anyone heard anything about Kral Puncher Space? Any good?
Im a bit all over, i know. I just think about the cost “james gaszak” on you tube for instance about fx wildcat he purchased.
Brand new, send it back, got a new one, its jacked too, fx says to send it in for 2 months. Brand new $1,500, and the two he recieved were junk, all this fuss for what?
Maybe i will stick to tanks like hatsan, but the bully is so hideous!
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[FX] Royale [ES 4.3%]
Based on your chart label, this is after installing a Huma regulator?
My 177 Bantam HiLite (no regulator) shoots 63 shots from 160 -> 135 bar with ES of 2.5%; tuned to 15.6 fpe.
I've seen one FX Streamline owner install a Huma regulator (Joe Cool). I'm really interested to see how the new Dreamline performs. It was supposed to be out in June, still not out. Rumor has it available for pre-order in Nov or Dec.
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I have a Royale as well 12k+ shots through it, and just replaced a few o-rings. Super reliable, accurate and powerful, the reg can use some improvement it's been decent but I've ordered a Huma. The Impact in .177 seems to have some accuracy issues from what I've read. But people who rave and rave about how unreliable they are usually have an agenda they're trying to push.
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$2,260 is a bit much, no doubt its a good pellet ripper, but. Decisions huh? I like that its made in USA.
I like the foreward action, and that its rugged.
Has anyone heard anything about Kral Puncher Space? Any good?
Im a bit all over, i know. I just think about the cost “james gaszak” on you tube for instance about fx wildcat he purchased.
Brand new, send it back, got a new one, its jacked too, fx says to send it in for 2 months. Brand new $1,500, and the two he recieved were junk, all this fuss for what?
Maybe i will stick to tanks like hatsan, but the bully is so hideous!
I don't think FX guns are that bad. A lot of people have had very good luck with them. They are like a fine piece of machinery in many respects. Sure, there have been some people with issues, but that is with almost any gun. Your last statement is what caught my attention. I honestly can't recommend a Hatsan to anyone right now. I don't know what's up with them lately, but they aren't what they were even a year ago. They have started cutting corners they didn't use to cut. If you have an issue, be prepared to get mad. I would even recommend a Kral over a Hatsan right now, unless Hatsan makes some changes real soon.
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I've never bought a high end pcp personally but I think if I did that I'd pretty much expect some sort of upkeep on it because o rings are the weakest point on all of them IMO !!!
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ALL pcp airguns are mechanical contraptions that are made of little tiny parts such as o-rings, little screws, little springs, little metal pieces, and little plastics. Some even need batteries. ALL these parts need to work as designed in conjunction and remain air tight 100% of the time against thousands of pounds of air pressure. Doesn’t matter what name is stamped on the the side of the airgun. If any one of these variables fail... It ain’t gonna work right.
I own three FX pcp’s Streamline (.22), Crown (.25), & Wildcat Mk2 (.25). They all worked as advertised out of the box. Installed Huma regulators in the Steamline and Wildcat myself. The Crown is adjusted/ tuned again by me to a higher power level. They all work and shoot just how I want, and can use either of them at any given time to pick off a critter with one well placed shot. Or, pull anyone of them out of the case and target shoot all weekend in my 75 yard backyard range(nothing fancy there is a open field behind my home). Your milage may vary, but my FX’s ain’t that bad. Can’t comment on if I take a trip and fall or spill in the mud or pond with’em. I’d imagine any brand pcp is gonna need some T.L.C. after doing that. Cleaning, drying, re-zeroing, repairs etc.
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No, FXs are not bad at all, and that's coming from a guy that simply does not like FX airguns. There's people with agenda blasting them. And yeah, for that price range, it should be flawless out of the box. The Taipan Mutant, which costs less than most FX airguns, IS flawless out of the box, and you'll be hardpressed to find complaints about them.
If your goal is hunting and traipsing around in the brush, there's plenty of other choices that cost less than FX. If want something you can abuse and lose in the water, then ask yourself why you really want the FX Royale. What makes it justifiable to risk damaging. Do you really need a detachable bottle? Will you ever really detach it? Are you okay with sticking to just JSB pellets? And would a simpler/cheaper FX in rifle-format meet the same need, such as the single-shot Typhoon, which is a simple, rugged design and can be purchased with a sythetic stock.
It may be worth writing down what you want in an airgun and then presenting it to members here to garner more input. I know I was all-out on buying a PRod and ended up with a SPA PP700 pistol because it met all the requirements I wanted.
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If you want tough and aren't looking to spend a fortune (like $2k) keep your eye out for a used EDgun R3M in whichever caliber you prefer. Also can put a WTB ad on a couple forums for one. Awesome guns and used in great shape R3M's can be found for around $1k now that the R5M is here.
Yes, Taipans are sweet also!
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its true that there are many topics about fx and problems but we all dont know how much rifles they selling.
and i think sometimes the problem sits behind the gun. specially when we are talking about the impact. its not difficult to mess something up with all this adjustability.
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I handled and shot a wildcat, and while it was nice, it didn't feel so durable. That experience and everyones glowing reviews of the mutant led me to purchase the latter.
That is my only experience with FX, and it was admittedly the "lower end" of the FX line. The stock was very nice touch feel, the weight was balanced, but the trigger was squishy, nor could we get better than about half inch at 25 yards with it.
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I have both the hatsan bullboss and kral puncher mega. the bullboss has a bent barrel, they sent another one after seen just a few pictures from me. i bought a scope that cant adjust, they sent me my money back, offered me for an upgrade cheaper. Hatsan has been good to me. Kral is very good quality, their valves makes you think the gun is regulated....this is your deciding factor! do you want regulated or not. i highly recommend regulators because the point of impact doesnt change much compared to unregulated. i highly recommend cheaper regulated guns for starting out, you will be mad and quit pcp hobby if one expensive gun doesnt work.
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[FX] Royale [ES 4.3%]
Based on your chart label, this is after installing a Huma regulator?
Yup. I think I have found the cause though... I'm betting that a sharp mating surface on the female side of the foster fill / valve is shaving off small bits of the foster fill o-ring. I have found tiny bits of rubber inside the plenum that likely came from this. I think harder o-ring and/or taking down the sharpness should help here.
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I've been very happy with my revo for almost 12 years. I bought in very early because of great luck with a Solo .177.
I have not had the problems other have stated. The revo even cycles CPUMs since i got it one of the newer metal mags. Those first run plastics had to go. The first year run of revos were also tuned a little hotter. But I never had any of the action issues I've heard were caused by lead dust feedback.
IDK whats with the haters, mine have both been great besides typical o-ring maintenance that every pcp needs.
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I really havent wrote it down what i need, i know what i want.
Removeable bottle: so i can carry a spare with me. High shot count and power too.
Synthetic stock like reasons mentioned.
Compact-ish, i like the bullpups, but no bottle, thats why i was contemplating Kral nemisis/space.
.25 caliber,
Mostly plinking, while hunting, bored easily. Gauntlet, Royale 400 with cheese, Impact, are my choices.
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I saw a RTI Priest? Any good? Looks pretty decent, lightweight, bottle, half as much as a impact.
Any reviews?
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I really havent wrote it down what i need, i know what i want.
Removeable bottle: so i can carry a spare with me. High shot count and power too.
I think you seriously limit your choices with this requirement.
if you really want to bring extra air in the field you can carry a Guppy bottle and refill more then once as needed,.....that way you can look at many more guns, options are valuable :)
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I did look at the Rti, but i got me a Huben instead. i think you would be pleased with the Rti, its got an accurate CZ barrel and seems to be easier and simpler than Impact. you are indeed all over the place, the Kral is not regulated and can be had for $770. easier to bore out for more power but heavier than RTI. i have a gauntlet .22 with 40fpe and 80 shots regulated...just close your eyes and buy the one you think is best for your money!
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I think i will just stay with what i have for a while, i think we all itch to have nicer things.
i just want something that has it all i think, and its just not possible the way i want it right now.
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No they are not from my experiences. I currently own three all in 25cal. A Wildcat if your looking for a very accurate BP gun that's light and is an excellent carry, beat around the brush gun. I also have an older Royale that has been problem free and is a dream to shoot. My last addition was the Crown in pepper laminate. Again never any issues. Zip, zero, notta. Almost forgot, I also had a Royale in 400 that I never had a issue with.
As with anything else that is mass produced I think you hear of some of the issues especially with the earlier Impacts is due to the shear numbers sold and the rush to market on that particular gun.
JMHO
Jimmy
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I really havent wrote it down what i need, i know what i want.
Removeable bottle: so i can carry a spare with me. High shot count and power too.
I think you seriously limit your choices with this requirement.
if you really want to bring extra air in the field you can carry a Guppy bottle and refill more then once as needed,.....that way you can look at many more guns, options are valuable :)
+1
...And the guppy can fill any others as well. This part is a no brainer really. If your gonna carry a spare tank why not stay flexible and it will act as spare air with the whole future arsenal you are gonna acquire eventually?
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hi all,
as an FX dealer, of course I'm a little biased. ;)
I will admit that every gun I own has had minor issues. stock blemishes, a missing screw, etc... nothing earth shattering, nothing other than cosmetic, and FX USA is more than glad to remedy all situations.
My impression is that the majority of the trouble is caused by inconsistent dealer prep. FX USA is under pressure to deliver guns as fast as possible because their marketing model creates high demand for their products before the pipeline has a chance to catch up. when things go straight from the container to the customer, details fall through the cracks. everyone expects perfection, but no one actually makes sure it's so. I won't start the infomercial for my services here, but where you buy makes a difference in your experience. I know from talking with Jon that they've increased staff from 4 last year to 12, so more eyes should mean better QC.
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FX USA is under pressure to deliver guns as fast as possible because their marketing model creates high demand for their products before the pipeline has a chance to catch up. when things go straight from the container to the customer, details fall through the cracks. everyone expects perfection, but no one actually makes sure it's so.
At FX price points,.....that is not even close enough to a decent excuse.
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IMO kind of like saying "we can't unload the containers fast enough to keep up to the demand, so why should we care, we're selling them anyways?".... ::)
Over 2K should buy you as near perfection as it is possible to make, no?....
Bob
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You won't get a non baised opinion on FX here, very jaded. Yes they're all 2500 and total &^^& guys, the .25 streamline for 1100 or less that's regulated and capable of 60fpe with the turn of the right screws and sub MOA groups at 100m.
Yeah doesn't exist, keep it up guys. Keep the blinders on and the misinformation coming!
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I have zero experience with FX guns, and I certainly have no bias for or against them.... My post was a comment on the "excuse" offered by an FX Dealer.... nothing more, nothing less....
Bob
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I have zero experience with FX guns, and I certainly have no bias for or against them.... My post was a comment on the "excuse" offered by an FX Dealer.... nothing more, nothing less....
Bob
Fair enough, I personally have had excellent customer service from FXUSA. They have bent over backwards for me but yeah they have experienced growing pains and they have been hammered for a long time with customers wanting parts. Not parts for broken guns you see, parts for upgrades, caliber swaps. I had some parts left over from upgrading my Royale including a stock, bottle, air gauge things like that what parts do I need to build a second full gun based on the same block, FXUSA said OK no problem. Put them all in a box for me many many parts including a new breech block at a very reasonable price. It almost looked like a cost list not a retail parts list, I could never have any of these parts built myself for less.
Anyways yeah you might have to call them not just email but FXUSA, and the now two guns of theirs have been excellent. They are working on getting their new HQ ready, no excuses but excuses lol. And for the record neither gun cost 2k.
I like all airguns if they shoot and people like them I don't &^^& on them, or try not to. Lets not be brand elitist guys, in both ways!
On another forum a members friend stared a thread about his friend that's also a member has throat cancer and had to sell his guns for his treatment, FXUSA saw the thread and Jon from there got it arranged and gave this guy a new Impact in .22. That's pretty awesome if you ask me, and it wasn't FX that announced this it was the guy who started the thread.
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I really havent wrote it down what i need, i know what i want.
Removeable bottle: so i can carry a spare with me. High shot count and power too.
Synthetic stock like reasons mentioned.
Compact-ish, i like the bullpups, but no bottle, thats why i was contemplating Kral nemisis/space.
.25 caliber,
Mostly plinking, while hunting, bored easily. Gauntlet, Royale 400 with cheese, Impact, are my choices.
ROYALE WITH CHEESE!
Nice Pulp Fiction reference ;D
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I'd personally love to have one myself but it's above my pay grade right now, thing of it is you never know what you're going to get from anyone, a good example would be my Prod which never leaked for a couple years after I bought it but my Mrod leaked the day I got it.
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Well speaking as a previous FX owner, FX guns aren't terrible, they can actually quite good in the accuracy and reliability and weight departments. Where I find they tend to fall short is in the aspects of ruggedness and tolerance to abuse, and they don't lend themselves to extremely high power setups very well. As an example, I can make over 40 fpe in .177 with my BT65 rather easily. Trying to do that with most FX guns isn't as easy at all, and if you're not careful a bent valve stem or smashed valve is a real possibility.
other than that, nothing inherently wrong with getting an FX setup.
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If I was in the states I’d be all over this one https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=152082.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=152082.0)
It’s not an FX but sure is pretty.
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Where are you seeing all this negative about FX, because I'm not seeing it. I see a few negative comments from time to time, but I see that for all brands. Are you seeing it on this forum?
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Well speaking as a previous FX owner, FX guns aren't terrible, they can actually quite good in the accuracy and reliability and weight departments. Where I find they tend to fall short is in the aspects of ruggedness and tolerance to abuse, and they don't lend themselves to extremely high power setups very well. As an example, I can make over 40 fpe in .177 with my BT65 rather easily. Trying to do that with most FX guns isn't as easy at all, and if you're not careful a bent valve stem or smashed valve is a real possibility.
other than that, nothing inherently wrong with getting an FX setup.
I made 52fpe in .22 and 63 in .25 with the Royale, and 62 in .22 and 78 in .25 with the Boss. 15k plus shots and still on original parts, but as fx guns are regulated yes its easier to make big power out of unregulated but that sure has downsides too.
I think the valve seat problem mostly came with impacts when they were shot below 100 bar, havent heard of bent valvestems and fx maybe youre thinking of Kral?
Regardless valve seat and stem are probably 10$ together
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I'll draw a parallel: the company I work for sells software we develop in-house. It is the best product for what it does on the market, and I'm a member of the implementation and support/training team. I'm also a vested owner. We could sell the product far faster than we implement new customers on it... but we don't. We focus on delivering quality in the product and quality on the end-user's training experience; IE: we slow down our own growth but at the same time we would rather put out a superlative product with customer service unmatched anywhere in the software industry.
I'm not saying FX should do that; what I am saying is a focus on quality is more important than a focus on sales volume. When a vendor indicates volume must be met even at the cost of quality assurance, I'll redirect my business.
The Taipan Mutant is an example of a relatively expensive product that still manages to overdeliver even way above it's price-point. You would be hard pressed to find 5 negative reviews on the Mutant- because they focus on delivering top-shelf quality, rather than volume.
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I'll draw a parallel: the company I work for sells software we develop in-house. It is the best product for what it does on the market, and I'm a member of the implementation and support/training team. I'm also a vested owner. We could sell the product far faster than we implement new customers on it... but we don't. We focus on delivering quality in the product and quality on the end-user's training experience; IE: we slow down our own growth but at the same time we would rather put out a superlative product with customer service unmatched anywhere in the software industry.
I'm not saying FX should do that; what I am saying is a focus on quality is more important than a focus on sales volume. When a vendor indicates volume must be met even at the cost of quality assurance, I'll redirect my business.
The Taipan Mutant is an example of a relatively expensive product that still manages to overdeliver even way above it's price-point. You would be hard pressed to find 5 negative reviews on the Mutant- because they focus on delivering top-shelf quality, rather than volume.
Excellent post and appreciate your input, agreed ive never seen anything bad about Taipan
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No, FXs are not bad at all, and that's coming from a guy that simply does not like FX airguns. There's people with agenda blasting them. And yeah, for that price range, it should be flawless out of the box. The Taipan Mutant, which costs less than most FX airguns, IS flawless out of the box, and you'll be hardpressed to find complaints about them.
If your goal is hunting and traipsing around in the brush, there's plenty of other choices that cost less than FX. If want something you can abuse and lose in the water, then ask yourself why you really want the FX Royale. What makes it justifiable to risk damaging. Do you really need a detachable bottle? Will you ever really detach it? Are you okay with sticking to just JSB pellets? And would a simpler/cheaper FX in rifle-format meet the same need, such as the single-shot Typhoon, which is a simple, rugged design and can be purchased with a sythetic stock.
It may be worth writing down what you want in an airgun and then presenting it to members here to garner more input. I know I was all-out on buying a PRod and ended up with a SPA PP700 pistol because it met all the requirements I wanted.
Not sure it is an "agenda" more likely people shell out $2k+ thinking they are going to get like you said flawless out of the box....with FX there is a very good chance you will not get that.
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Glem,
I like FX. I think they have an innovative product and design team. There are things behind the scenes that the consumers cannot know. I wanted to make selling FX a success in my dealership and I purchased for resale from FX-USA a number of guns this year. I can tell you categorically that 60 percent of these guns has issues out of the box that require a return to FX for repair . I can further state that I had one customer that I sold 2 Crowns. He had to send BOTH into FX for repair very soon after receiving them (before the Hurricane quite a few months ago). I then traded him a NEW FX Wildcat MK II for one of the Crowns since he was now jaded heavily by the FX experience. I checked out the Wildcat and it had to be returned to FX BEFORE being sent on to him due to regulator issues. 3 bad guns 1 customer = business LOSS! To make matters worse FX STILL has not returned the Crown he sent them in August. As a dealer I could not deal with a 60 percent or more defect rate. I could not deal with a 4 month plus repair time. I could not deal with injustices to my customer base (FX promises of it will be done next week for several months) I therefore sadly had to abandon my dream of being an FX dealer. They have effectively led me to the brink of total airgun business failure due to these issues and my being a "tiny" dealership and my "investment in FX".
As another poster said FX needs to back off the numbers and return to the quality they had a few years ago before the release of the Impact.
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Glem,
I like FX. I think they have an innovative product and design team. There are things behind the scenes that the consumers cannot know. I wanted to make selling FX a success in my dealership and I purchased for resale from FX-USA a number of guns this year. I can tell you categorically that 60 percent of these guns has issues out of the box that require a return to FX for repair . I can further state that I had one customer that I sold 2 Crowns. He had to send BOTH into FX for repair very soon after receiving them (before the Hurricane quite a few months ago). I then traded him a NEW FX Wildcat MK II for one of the Crowns since he was now jaded heavily by the FX experience. I checked out the Wildcat and it had to be returned to FX BEFORE being sent on to him due to regulator issues. 3 bad guns 1 customer = business LOSS! To make matters worse FX STILL has not returned the Crown he sent them in August. As a dealer I could not deal with a 60 percent or more defect rate. I could not deal with a 4 month plus repair time. I therefore sadly had to abandon my dream of being an FX dealer. They have effectively led me to the brink of total airgun business failure due to these issues and my being a "tiny" dealership and my "investment in FX". As another poster said FX needs to back off the numbers and return to the quality they had a few years ago before the release of the Impact.
Well that's a dang shame, to be honest I only have hands on experience with the Royale and Boss. Thanks for your input Thurmond, some pretty inexcusable stuff there.
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I just gotta say my experience with the Wildcat is nothing like what I'm hearing here. The first air gun I purchased after watching Ted's Holdover on youtube was an FX Wildcat (the first version) in .22. It has shot in the 3 years I've owned it, the 18.13 grain JSB's into the same hole at 30 yards. Hasn't failed yet. Hasn't leaked, hasn't had any problem cycling. It has been out hunting quite a bit with tremendous success. It is light weight, balanced and has one of the best triggers I've felt on an air gun. The only bod is a 3D lazer printed insert that fills the small hole in the rear of the stock with a magazine holder. I have 4 magazines with 8 shots for about 32 shots and that is perfect. From a full fill down to the need to fill is 4 magazines. Shoots them at 875 fps for around 30 fpe. No problems. Nada.
IMHO there seems to be some bias against higher end air guns and FX in particular. I have a buddy who can't stand em. Doesn't really know why, even HE admits they're great guns. Some folks just can't get over the price and feel there are other equally productive rifles at a much lower cost. Much like the difference in the top of the line Ferrari and the top of the line Corvette. Both achieve about the same performance results, but there's a mile of difference in the two.
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Now I haven't heard FX quality being so poor as to affect a person's income or air gun store. That is INEXCUSABLE. While my experience with the gun has been great, I can't speak to that side of things. I sure hope things turn around for you, Thurmond. What a crappy deal.
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As a dealer I could not deal with a 60 percent or more defect rate. I could not deal with a 4 month plus repair time.
...FX needs to back off the numbers and return to the quality they had a few years ago before the release of the Impact.
This is disappointing to hear.
There's a natural tension between volume and quality customer experience that is not always easy to manage.
I've worked for software companies where all the emphasis is on "the next new thing" and almost nothing on keeping things working for the existing customer base. That drove me crazy. We just kept digging the poor customer quality experience "hole" deeper with each release. We parted ways and both parties were happy to be rid of the other.
In one start up I ran the customer service interface. At our first annual users meeting, a customer stood up at the beginning and said "I do have some gripes to air but before I do that, I want to say your customer service is the BEST for ANY product or company I've ever heard of or seen." The rest of the attendees all applauded loudly.
THAT is something I will never forget.
But!
That start up was always holding on by its finger nails the whole time we existed until it got bought by a bigger company with more capital.
Like I say, not always easy to manage the balance when you are a relatively new and innovative company.
Now, I'm retired and all I have to worry about is which gun to buy! 🙂
After a lifetime in business and industry I'll say this ... there's no perfect world and getting it right is not so easy.
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Thurmond, your experience is truly sad, and inexcusable.... Let us all hope that FX regains the focus on quality they appear to have had at one time, so that these complaints and "gripe" threads become a thing of the past.... I love the idea of beautiful, great shooting, reliable airguns, and have no problem with companies asking a pretty penny when they deliver as advertised.... I can't afford them, and besides I get too much pleasure out of building my own to hopefully help develop our sport.... However, for those that can afford them, they should be able to buy a pricy airgun and expect it to perform flawlessly out of the box.... You have to do proper maintenance on a Ferrari, too, that is a separate issue.... Excellent customer service should be the norm with any company.... but particularly for higher priced items, be they cars or airguns.... They need to be held to a higher standard, simply because of their perceived value, and the price people are willing to pay for the name.... JMHO....
Bob
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At IWA last year (Mar '18?), FX announced the Dreamline for June '18 initial availability. Full availability by the end of 2018. Still not out in Dec. '18 and no press releases since the original announcement. Must be having some issues.
Mostly I hear really good things about the Streamline; simpler design, simpler build, great features, great accuracy and less money.
Dreamline rumors are for January '18.
I hope it comes out and is good like the Streamline.
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IMHO there seems to be some bias against higher end air guns and FX in particular. I have a buddy who can't stand em. Doesn't really know why, even HE admits they're great guns. Some folks just can't get over the price and feel there are other equally productive rifles at a much lower cost. Much like the difference in the top of the line Ferrari and the top of the line Corvette. Both achieve about the same performance results, but there's a mile of difference in the two.
+1 Wildcatter
I agree 100%
And you wouldn't want either of those cars without the final dealer prep. As a dealer, it's MY job to verify that the products I sell are customer ready, BEFORE the customer even knows it's in the shop. If MY customer gets a bad rifle, it would be through MY lack of due-diligence in preparing it for sale, not FX's. Any FX related issues should be discovered by the DEALER when he inspects, leak tests and Chronographs the gun on arrival.
About 30 years ago I got tired of trying to make "silk purses" from the "sow's ears" available in air rifles at that time. don't get me wrong, I had quite a bit of fun "pimping pigs", but not at the range. always wondering if it was me or the rifle got old and unproductive. So air guns went on the back burner. When I discovered FX quality and repeatability, I was hooked. I can pickup ANY gun I own, put air and pellets it, and KNOW I'll hit within a half inch of my aim point, no fiddling or futzing around. If I don't, I KNOW it's me, not the gun. That is why they cost what they do, and why I became a dealer.
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Vince, I respect your viewpoint as a dealer, but I can't agree with this concept in a business. A product should leave the factory or assembly line in "functionally perfect" condition. In other words, the simple act of transportation should not cause a device to require factory repairs upon receipt by the end user. The only product I know of where that's excusable is eggs.
Otherwise, when a premium product leaves the factory, it should not then require a bunch of inspections, cleaning, tuning or repair - especially when the retail pricepoint is essentially at the top of the market. When I buy a Porsche, I expect it to run properly, not require new tires and a rear main seal. If I run a leakdown test on the cylinders, I should not have one cylinder sitting at 50% of the others. This is why we pay premium prices- an expectation the product lives up to the hype.
When it doesn't, we nay-say the product and shun the brand. I don't mind putting in elbow grease to get desired results in a $200 PCP. In a $2000 PCP (or even $1000) it better be perfect or it's going back. Why? Because the brand is expected to meet a certain level of expectation, and you, the dealership, should not be performing QA. That's the manufacturer's job.
I'm sure a lot of FX PCPs do get shipped in perfect condition and shoot with light's out accuracy. But their quality control is certainly hit or miss- something unacceptable in high end products.
EDIT: Now the really funny thing is that I buy every airgun based on spreadsheet logic. I look for a set of features then cross reference every gun that meets those requirements. From there I evaluate based on price, complexity, expected accuracy, ergonomics, and warranty. I intend to buy my next PCP within 3 weeks, and thus far have 3 in the final running: A SPA, a Cometa, and the FX Typhoon single-shot. So while I may seem to be down on FX, I'm not.
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I could say a lot more but it would not be productive to the current topic. I will say that the straw that finally forced my decision to discontinue FX Sales was that they had been made well aware of my ongoing issues and promised that they would do better going forward. I "finally" was able to get an FX Impact for the Store after trying to get one since the gun was introduced. It was a Silver Impact X 700 in .25. My wife graciously told me to pull a gun from stock for my 60th birthday and Christmas present. I pulled the Impact and found when doing my initial check that it is a leaker.
I contacted several persons at FX-USA and to date NO communication about this issue has been received. This started "before" the Holiday period did so a reply should have been received. Now I have a NEW gun I cannot use and I definitely cannot sell to a customer for obvious ethical reasons.
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well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Just for fun, stop by your neighborhood Porsche dealer and ask how many hours are spent in dealer prep and tune to local conditions. You don't think they just fall off the truck and run like that do you?
how many of you current rifles were performing to your expectations "out of the box"?
I apply one standard to everything built by human beings... sht happens, o-rings get nicked on assembly and may only start leaking after multiple pressure cycles. I've done it, I'm sure most would admit that not every seal they've installed was perfectly done.
As an olive branch of peace between us, I'd be willing to buy your .25 Impact for invoice. If you'd like it repaired, buy it a round trip ticket to my shop and I'll do the work for free.
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A product should leave the factory or assembly line in "functionally perfect" condition.
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I worked General Motors for 17 years at a division that made shock absorbers. The last 12 years I was an Industrial Engineer.
I attended a meeting with our "Works Manager" (in charge of all manufacturing) in my late 20s where he was giving his views on warranty costs.
His view was "If it's cheaper to pay warranty on the back side of the sale (after it is in the customer's hands) than it is to fix the issue in the factory, why would I choose the more expensive in-factory method?"
At the time, I was pretty overawed by this very important, highly placed, top manager at our division. I was impressed by this sage bit of wisdom.
But, thinking about it later, I realized how totally stupid this idea was.
It's better for a customer to buy a GM car (from Chevy to Cadillac) and have their brand new car with brand new shock absorbers leak shock oil all over this person's driveway?
Sorry, Mr. Important Works Manager, that's just wrong and foolish.
Yet, here he was, the top manager and I was just one of many engineers.
People get it wrong. Even important, highly placed people.
Later, after GM began to really hurt from low sales due much to poor quality, I got extensive training on the importance of quality. Thinking back on that meeting, I was deeply embarrassed.
I'm encouraged by the design of the FX Streamline; simpler, fewer parts, less to go wrong, etc. This is how you "design in" a quality experience from the get go. You can't "inspect in" true quality. This is a well understood "art." I'm hopeful that FX is learning from best practices. It's way cheaper to design a product that almost has no choice but to work perfectly.
Complicated products are rarely this way. Simplicity takes time and dedication. It reminds me of the Mark Train quote "I didn't have time to write you a short note."
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... how many of you current rifles were performing to your expectations "out of the box"?
I've got just one, my CO² 177 Hammerli 850 Air Magnum. I took it out of the box and it did and still does shoot perfectly; never leaks, never jams, highly accurate, German designed and made. It didn't even require any break-in. Truly flawless. For $266 new, delivered. 8-shot magazines are $8 each.
Discovery - no.
Coyote - no.
Urban - no.
Bantam - no.
To be fair, the Discovery didn't have any broken parts or leaks, just required after market parts (trigger and TKO). All the others required some remediation; the Urban and Coyote the most.
That Hammerli really spoiled me.
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how many of you current rifles were performing to your expectations "out of the box"?
Taipan Veteran X5
WAR WARP X2
RAW HM1000X
BSA R10 Mk2
CZ 200S
Daystate Regal XL
Nova Freedom and Liberty
And those are just all I can remember off the top of my head. Ive bought and sold many many guns trying them out and have never had issues with higher end guns. Lower end is different and to be expected. But anything $1000+ better perform out of box period. Shouldn't leave factory if it doesn't.
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Gentlemen, I stand corrected. I will slink off, back into the shadows, continuing to ensure My customer's satisfaction in my own way. ;)
Thurmond, my offer stands, and I open it up to anyone here. I'll take any sub par, UN-tampered with, FX rifle off your hands for invoice. PM me. ;D
Dillon, you are indeed a lucky man, nothing I've ever purchased was exactly like I expected, I've tweaked and modified everything in one way or another.
to each, his own. I'm tapping out. 8)
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well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Just for fun, stop by your neighborhood Porsche dealer and ask how many hours are spent in dealer prep and tune to local conditions. You don't think they just fall off the truck and run like that do you?
how many of you current rifles were performing to your expectations "out of the box"? ...
All of them, believe it or not. I don't have any fancy airguns, though, so I'm not a good person to ask :) They are tools to fulfill a role. If I was intending to spend a goodly chunk of change, I'd want whatever I buy working from the factory without needing a major repair.
And having owned a 912, 914, and a 914-6, my penchant for Porsches leans toward ancient air-cooled models that breaker-point ignitions, Bosch distributors, and pushrod flat-fours/sixes that needed the valve clearances checked every 3-to-6K. I also know if you buy a new 911 off the lot, it will not require a major repair equivalent to a leak on a PCP. That would be like the ignition not working, or perhaps the transmission refusing to go into reverse. A "new off the shelf" Porsche needs nothing except gasoline to go have fun. I won't deny they get some detailing work to ensure they are pristine, but the type of failures those FX guns are having would be akin to a faulty transmission or a bad ECM when it rolled off the truck at the dealership. Simple stated, if you compare what some FX owners are experiencing to the auto industry, there would major recalls.
And, from a Six-Sigma or even Deming Management/TQM perspective, turning out products that aren't quite ready for Prime-Time (IE requiring dealer-end checking/tuning/QA) will just hurt a company in the long run.
On the flip side, I really commend you for your offer Vince to T3PRanch. That you are willing to go well out of your way to support FX tells me their trust in you is well founded in you as a dealer.
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Thurmond, my offer stands, and I open it up to anyone here. I'll take any sub par, UN-tampered with, FX rifle off your hands for dealer cost. PM me. ;D
Thanks for the offer Vince but FX is going to have to "Man-Up" and take responsibility for this one otherwise the Credit Card Company can deal with it. I Charged this one just in case problems as in the past arose despite promises to the contrary from FX-USA! There are MANY others that would take it "as is" for dealer cost!
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I can tell you what my Evanix Rainstorm II needed to be a prime AG. Air-Pellets, back off hammer spring for more shots. That was all. LOL!
Oh and a "good scope". Rare in most airgunners minds.
Did the Rainstorm meet expectations? In truth, it far exceeded my expectations. Never received an AG that performed so well with power, accuracy, and smoothness in one package before. And very light yet very-very robust in its build!
And hundreds under a grand. ;) 8)
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Dillon, you are indeed a lucky man, nothing I've ever purchased was exactly like I expected, I've tweaked and modified everything in one way or another.
First of all, are expectations related to manufacturers claims and guns prices ?
Or just something out the blue from an individual ?
Secondly,....there's a huge difference in tweeking to your needs/wants/fancies to having to fix because a gun came defected from factory.
Also I wouldn't be bothered if a 300 bucks Chinese PCP came with a leak and I had to change some O-rings but I would be extremely perturbed if a 1000-2000 bucks airgun arrived and with a leak and I had to change O-rings,......Yes, all PCPs eventually will need O-rings replaced but If I get a 1500 bucks gun I wanna take it out da box and be able to shoot it a long time before I have to do some work to it.
Again, big difference between "Have to" and "Want to"
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I think FX will just keep serving up more airguns because they always seem to sell like hotcakes despite any problems they might have. Take the Wildcat reg (or is it the FX reg in general?) for instance. I've seen about a dozen people order a brand new wildcat for $1300 and a Huma reg at the same time to have on hand for WHEN the reg fails.
That's just one of the major issues that I am aware of but I guess there must be many more since this is such a hot topic?
Also saw a thread on another forum where a member wrote a tutorial on how to modify the FX Crown reg. so it would not creep anymore. If that guy can fix it in his garage why couldn't FX get it right?
I have (usually ;)) tried to refrain from bashing FX because I'm sure every gun model has its issues and I know there are lots of happy FX owners but there has to be a reason that FX's quality control is always getting called into question?
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FX did indeed just re-design their Regs. So perhaps they are starting to pay attention to customer complaints and input?
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I really havent wrote it down what i need, i know what i want.
Removeable bottle: so i can carry a spare with me. High shot count and power too.
I think you seriously limit your choices with this requirement.
if you really want to bring extra air in the field you can carry a Guppy bottle and refill more then once as needed,.....that way you can look at many more guns, options are valuable :)
I agree with pirate here. I've got a bottle gun, and after I did the math, It's cheaper and more efficient to buy a guppy than it is to buy more bottles.
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I can tell you categorically that 60 percent of these guns has issues out of the box that require a return to FX for repair .
It is sad to hear story`s like that. I am just curious, since 60 percentage seems like a very high number: How many guns did you actually sell? I am not doubting your experiance, but if we should use thouse numbers as statistical fact, it is important to know.
The hopefully good thing about it is that it will be better. Any company with that return numbers would lead to bad sales numbers, if it can be proven as a reliable statistical fact.
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Bought a FX Impact .30 cal last April. Not a "x" model but the later version of the standard which I hear they fixed some of the earlier problems. Bought a .22 X-barrel kit and have had no quality issues.
Only problem has been operator caused - did a double load when configured for .30 cal and didn't realize it and loaded another pellet (3 in the barrel).
Only mod I have done is changed the barrel fixing thumb screw to a M4 set screw.
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Put me on the list of bad from the box Crown owners. My .22 would not shoot any pellet with any accuracy. Spiraled everything. No reg setting worked. No hammer spring setting worked. Best it did was about 2" at 50 yards. Most were in the 5-6" range.
I was looking for where to send it to get fixed and discovered I had 5 days left on the warranty! I debated between asking for a refund or a replacement. Went with a replacement. With winter arriving I have not been able to even test fire the replacement and won't be able to until after the warranty expires. So I'm stuck with it no matter what.
I think now that I should have gone with a refund...
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I just want to chime in with my FX experience. I bought a used crown .25 around august last year because there was no way I could shell out 2k for an air rifle. It is one of the first production guns. When I received it, it was missing the rear stock screw. I called FX USA and I had a new one within 3 days. With everything on Max and the reg at 135, it will shoot almost pellet on pellet at 50 yards. I can shoot 4 full mags before it comes off the reg, 64 shots at 920 fps. I use the gun mostly for pigeon shooting at a cattle farm. Before I got the crown, my farthest pigeon kill was 78 yards. The first time out with the crown, I dropped one at 151 yards. I have taken it squirrel hunting several times and have yet to miss a squirrels head with it. I can say my experience has been nothing but stellar. Maybe I am the exception and not the rule??
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Crown .22
... test fire the replacement and won't be able to until after the warranty expires. So I'm stuck with it no matter what.
I think now that I should have gone with a refund...
Well, there are many positive reviews of this rifle. Let's hope that when you do get around to testing it ... You'll be very happy!
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I just want to chime in with my FX experience. I bought a used crown .25 around august last year because there was no way I could shell out 2k for an air rifle. It is one of the first production guns. When I received it, it was missing the rear stock screw. I called FX USA and I had a new one within 3 days. With everything on Max and the reg at 135, it will shoot almost pellet on pellet at 50 yards. I can shoot 4 full mags before it comes off the reg, 64 shots at 920 fps. I use the gun mostly for pigeon shooting at a cattle farm. Before I got the crown, my farthest pigeon kill was 78 yards. The first time out with the crown, I dropped one at 151 yards. I have taken it squirrel hunting several times and have yet to miss a squirrels head with it. I can say my experience has been nothing but stellar. Maybe I am the exception and not the rule??
I don't think anybody is debating whether or not they are accurate airguns. People in a number of occasions are having reliability problems and general QA issues. Given how complex some of their designs are, is it a major surprise?
Aside from that, shipping out a screw is a non-issue. Providing end users with airguns that should not have passed a QA check is another thing entirely. But I also think most airgun manufacturers are having QA issues. I can live with that (to a point) on a SPA or Crosman. But not on an airgun pushing $2000.
Lucky for us end-users we have some retailers, such as Vince, that take customer service seriously, so anything slipping through the cracks can be caught before the end-user takes ownership.
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Have been following this thread observing & reading just to see how the general FX product consumer / owners / sellers really feel ???
What is obvious, folks want a gun that meets or exceeds the marketing hype surrounding said air gun. Accept what that cost will be and go about ordering said gun expecting it to operates as advertised w/o any issues.
From what I've been reading ... The factory makes a gun that REQUIRES ultimate retailer to "Prep & Service" prior to delivering to a customer .... Huh ?
This Time & Effort comes at a cost to the seller, headaches of issues found & there repair, unhappy customers waiting on there guns stalled by this process all fall on the reputation of the seller first !! .... It reads as if FX sorta gets a get out of jail free card leaving the final retailer to take the brunt of the product being ready for use in the real world.
If I were a Retailer placed in such a situation .... said manufacturer would be No More !
When you have such a competitive market with folks wanting the most for the least cash outlay .... there is very little if any incentive for the final retailer to do the factory / manufactures QC checks and repairs.
JMO
Scott
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I just want to chime in with my FX experience. I bought a used crown .25 around august last year because there was no way I could shell out 2k for an air rifle. It is one of the first production guns. When I received it, it was missing the rear stock screw. I called FX USA and I had a new one within 3 days. With everything on Max and the reg at 135, it will shoot almost pellet on pellet at 50 yards. I can shoot 4 full mags before it comes off the reg, 64 shots at 920 fps. I use the gun mostly for pigeon shooting at a cattle farm. Before I got the crown, my farthest pigeon kill was 78 yards. The first time out with the crown, I dropped one at 151 yards. I have taken it squirrel hunting several times and have yet to miss a squirrels head with it. I can say my experience has been nothing but stellar. Maybe I am the exception and not the rule??
Maybe the previous owner got everything fixed before you got it...
Speaking of screws. The stock screws on my replacement rifle were (lightly) rusted...
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My first PCP was a new Streamline in .22. When I got it, it had no pressure on the gauge at all. It was a leaker. Sent it back for a refund, bought a new custom shop Marauder, LW barrel, regulated, and with the Camo stock in .177. Never looked back and now 3-4k rounds later(just guessing), it still does what I need it to do. I have to say I like the FX guns, but have to admit I'm somewhat jaded on them now. This would not be the case if this were a rarity(receiving faulty guns). It is common with FX and that is unacceptable to me.
Do the authorized dealers ever do a once over on air rifles before they ship them out like to verify pressure on PCP's?
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My first PCP was a new Streamline in .22. When I got it, it had no pressure on the gauge at all. It was a leaker. Sent it back for a refund, bought a new custom shop Marauder, LW barrel, regulated, and with the Camo stock in .177. Never looked back and now 3-4k rounds later(just guessing), it still does what I need it to do. I have to say I like the FX guns, but have to admit I'm somewhat jaded on them now. This would not be the case if this were a rarity(receiving faulty guns). It is common with FX and that is unacceptable to me.
Do the authorized dealers ever do a once over on air rifles before they ship them out like to verify pressure on PCP's?
Some will if you pay extra...
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My first PCP was a new Streamline in .22. When I got it, it had no pressure on the gauge at all. It was a leaker. Sent it back for a refund, bought a new custom shop Marauder, LW barrel, regulated, and with the Camo stock in .177. Never looked back and now 3-4k rounds later(just guessing), it still does what I need it to do. I have to say I like the FX guns, but have to admit I'm somewhat jaded on them now. This would not be the case if this were a rarity(receiving faulty guns). It is common with FX and that is unacceptable to me.
Do the authorized dealers ever do a once over on air rifles before they ship them out like to verify pressure on PCP's?
Some will if you pay extra...
It always seemed odd to me that handling returns is less expensive for a company that quality control.
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For sure. Handling returns is not only expensive but also damaging to brand loyalty. I suspect the company would need the good fortune that 4 out of every 5 in-warranty failures be repaired by the customer just to break even.
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There's people with agenda blasting them.
Not sure it is an "agenda" more likely people shell out $2k+ thinking they are going to get like you said flawless out of the box....with FX there is a very good chance you will not get that.
the "agenda" started just after the 2013 EBR match..... a certain airgun forum owner began to be openly hostile to a "desert vendor" and some how FX was involved, and that forum had forbade any discusion of that vendor, and to a degree FX themselves, for their placement in the match and their sponsorship of the match (some said it smelled funny).
That attitude permeated that forum for a while, and some members of it helped maintain that perception that the "desert vendor" and FX were perhaps engaged in some back room dealings related to pricing and distribution.....
I wont speak to the specifics--publicaly or privately--so dont ask ::) But I will say "the agenda" had more to do with business dealings than quality issues......
not trying to open old wounds or canned worms, just agreeing with the perception that there is/was some disgruntlement that has nothing to do with FX quality....
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It always seemed odd to me that handling returns is less expensive for a company that quality control.
Decades ago I recall one of my mentors telling me about "The factor of 10" or some such related to the importance of good mechanical engineering. Paraphrasing...
"If a flaw is corrected at the design level, it may cost the company $1 to fix.
Caught during production, it may cost $10.
If it gets to a distributor, it may cost $100.
If it gets to the customer, it may cost $1000."
In other words, it's cheaper to design quality/reliability into a product than it is to clean up the mess that poor quality creates. Toyota and Honda have pretty well figured it out.
In my experience, short-sighted bean counters are usually the ones who end up throwing a wrench into the process of good engineering.
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From what I've been reading ... The factory makes a gun that REQUIRES ultimate retailer to "Prep & Service" prior to delivering to a customer .... Huh ?
This Time & Effort comes at a cost to the seller, headaches of issues found & there repair, unhappy customers waiting on there guns stalled by this process all fall on the reputation of the seller first !! .... It reads as if FX sorta gets a get out of jail free card leaving the final retailer to take the brunt of the product being ready for use in the real world.
If I were a Retailer placed in such a situation .... said manufacturer would be No More !
How exactly would the retailer even go about doing that? If he knows that some percentage of regulators creep, what the heck is he prepared do about it? Seals might fail a month after a customer gets his gun? Is a retailer gonna replace o-rings before he sends the gun out, "just in case?" :o
Prep, Shmep.... In most cases a dealer can't afford to cut into slim profit margins by fixing guns before he ships them.
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It always seemed odd to me that handling returns is less expensive for a company that quality control.
Decades ago I recall one of my mentors telling me about "The factor of 10" or some such related to the importance of good mechanical engineering. Paraphrasing...
"If a flaw is corrected at the design level, it may cost the company $1 to fix.
Caught during production, it may cost $10.
If it gets to a distributor, it may cost $100.
If it gets to the customer, it may cost $1000."
In other words, it's cheaper to design quality/reliability into a product than it is to clean up the mess that poor quality creates. Toyota and Honda have pretty well figured it out.
In my experience, short-sighted bean counters are usually the ones who end up throwing a wrench into the process of good engineering.
and projecting the 10 factor here,
I agree 10,000 % ! ! !
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Scott is right.
I was ready to purchase a streamline. After seeing the issues posted about FX here and airgunnation I became leery. I contacted FX to confirm their warranty, it was 1 year. (this has just changed) I felt it wasn't worth the risk of getting an FX that wasn't faulty, especially at the pricepoint. At that time the 1 year warranty was a concern as well.
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Scott is right.
I was ready to purchase a streamline. After seeing the issues posted about FX here and airgunnation I became leery. I contacted FX to confirm their warranty, it was 1 year. (this has just changed) I felt it wasn't worth the risk of getting an FX that wasn't faulty, especially at the pricepoint. At that time the 1 year warranty was a concern as well.
Lots of problems with the streamline? Where?
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In my experience, short-sighted bean counters are usually the ones who end up throwing a wrench into the process of good engineering.
Can you imagine someone getting paid to do this ::) ;D
If it was minimum wage I could understand but I don't it.
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Got a used .177 FX Cyclone about 10 years back....great excellent PCP...shoots any pellet very accurately...out to 100 yards plus!!! Only complain I had was there was no plug for the air intake (Got a cap for both my Air Arms and BSA PCPs)...I always worry dirt or dust can get in there. I just use plastic tape to cover over it (Someone made and sold brass plugs (One end can be bolted) for that). And yep....4 years ago there was a very small leak...then it got larger....finally the air rifle couldn't hold air. Must be an "O" ring or something...haven't had time to open her up yet.
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I use to think FX guns were for snobs. Now 10 years later I think they are clearly setting the standards in innovation.
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I like my Logun Solo. ;D
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FWIW....
I own an FX Impact X.
Doesn't leak. It has been sitting in my locker for 3 months and still has the same bottle pressure and reg set pressure as I put it away with. (2 Kids, colder weather and increased hours at work have limited my time to do any shooting... )
It is stupid accurate. WAY more accurate than I am. It has a level of adjustment that most will not use. I enjoy that aspect of it. I have 3 different caliber barrels for it and I like figuring out the settings and being able to swap out the caliber for what I'll be doing with the gun.
To bash the company because there were a few bad regulators or some leaky o-rings is wrong, in my opinion. People don't often post about a gun when it meets expectations. When you pay that much for a gun and it does exactly what you expect, you don't post about it. If it falls short for any reason, there will be posts. Many of them, typically. That is what you see when you do a search. Bad posts. Complaints. So, that will paint the picture for you. People complain. Squeaky wheels get the grease....
These guns use small o-rings to contain high pressure. They are put together by people and there will be issues. Any mechanical device assembled by humans will have issues. How the company handles it, to me, is the most important factor when I consider where to spend my money.
I love the gun. Can't say enough good things about it. So, to the OP, I say no. FX isn't bad. Quite the opposite. I think they make some of the best shooting, most innovative guns available today. Are they worth the money? That's a whole different topic and each of us has our own answer for that. You can get other guns that have similar accuracy or similar shot count or similar power for less money. Can you get another gun with all of these things plus the adjustability and the ability to swap calibers easily? Not that I know of.
kgb
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^^^^ Right on Keith.
I owned a FX as well. I had the Royale 400. It was a great gun. Was it perfect? No. Did the performance match the pricetag? Maybe.
I decided to sell it because I felt that I could better enjoy the equity that I had in that rifle more in other items. In my case I bought a shoebox compressor, a kral bigmax, and have some remaining in my "gun fund".
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I like my Logun Solo. ;D
I like mine too. Enough that I had Dennis seal it back up last year. I have the .177 and it really loves NSA's smaller slugs. just amazing groups.
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I revisit the thought of one day buying an FX periodically. No doubt they innovate; same could be said for SPA with guns like the PR900 and M-30. I see a bunch of refinement occurring but not a lot of truly new ideas, so the innovators should get props for the effort and work. I consider Evanix part of the Innovators crowd, as well as Kral and Hatsan. We have a lot of options in airgunning and especially in the PCP realm. For those who can afford them without a qualm, why not go for it.
A good dealership network, a rep for durability and out of the box shootability are equally important... They should not even be a subject of conversation on airguns costing north of $1000. Those guns should just simply work, and while lemons occur, you certainly expect less lemons at Porsche than you do at Ford. But why not get one? the worst that can happen is you get a dud and have to RMA it- it's not like going through a divorce.
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I have a fx royale 500 that I have owned since November 2017 and have put 30,000 rounds through it and the only thing I had to do was replace seals which any Airguns will require and accuracy is top notch unbelievable rifle and just purchased a fx impact x 25 cal with 700mm barrel in silver this gun is the best but you need to understand the weapon fx is a great product pricey but you get what you pay for.
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I have owned both a FX-Impact and a FX-Wildcat for a couple of years. Both shoot hole in hole at 25 yds right out of the box. Never a problem. The Impact is .25 and the Wildcat is .22. Love 'em both.
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I have somewhere in the vicinity of 100 airguns of all types and brands. I recently purchased a FX Crown. I'll tell you honestly, I have NEVER been more impressed with an airgun!!! The innovation of the interchangeable smooth twist X barrels, the external click dial adjustments for TP and hammer spring, externally adjustable regulator all in a light weight package is prenominal. I have purchased the .22cal, .25cal and .30cal barrel kits that can be changed in 5 minutes or less. As well as the arrow shooting kit. MANY of my herd will now be sold because of the flexibility, unmatched accuracy and just down right fun to shoot that comes with the FX Crown.
And NO, this is not a paid advertisement. I purchased this airgun setup with my own money, nothing was donated to me. This is an honest appraisal of an airgun. So to me, there is absolutely nothing "bad" about FX airguns. And now with some of our very best GTA sanctioned vendors becoming FX distributors and the presence now of FX USA, you won't regret getting one yourself!!!!
SAFE & Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
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My fx royal 400 has been a great air rifle. :D
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My FX Bobcat in .30 is flawless (after 3 years and thousands of shots)...
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I have never been an FX fan because of the cost, but the new Dreamline has convinced me to buy one. It has all the features and adjustability of the Crown at a lot lower price. I should have it within a week. You can argue this all day long, but FX sells a ton of airguns, so they are generally well respected.
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well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Just for fun, stop by your neighborhood Porsche dealer and ask how many hours are spent in dealer prep and tune to local conditions. You don't think they just fall off the truck and run like that do you?
how many of you current rifles were performing to your expectations "out of the box"?
I apply one standard to everything built by human beings... sht happens, o-rings get nicked on assembly and may only start leaking after multiple pressure cycles. I've done it, I'm sure most would admit that not every seal they've installed was perfectly done.
As an olive branch of peace between us, I'd be willing to buy your .25 Impact for invoice. If you'd like it repaired, buy it a round trip ticket to my shop and I'll do the work for free.
That's why I buy Jap cars. I've owned a number of them and usually keep them for 15 to 20 years. All I do is put GTO (gas, tires and oil) in them.
Regardless. the success of a company depends on two things: quality and CUSTOMER SERVICE, the latter is most important. Yep, you will get a bad product from time to time, but you had better fix it quick. Your reputation can go down the toilet pretty fast.
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hi all,
as an FX dealer, of course I'm a little biased. ;)
I will admit that every gun I own has had minor issues. stock blemishes, a missing screw, etc... nothing earth shattering, nothing other than cosmetic, and FX USA is more than glad to remedy all situations.
My impression is that the majority of the trouble is caused by inconsistent dealer prep. FX USA is under pressure to deliver guns as fast as possible because their marketing model creates high demand for their products before the pipeline has a chance to catch up. when things go straight from the container to the customer, details fall through the cracks. everyone expects perfection, but no one actually makes sure it's so. I won't start the infomercial for my services here, but where you buy makes a difference in your experience. I know from talking with Jon that they've increased staff from 4 last year to 12, so more eyes should mean better QC.
I disagree with you on one point: the product going out the manufacturers door had better be complete and tested for function. Missing parts, leaks etc is inexcusable. Depending on the dealer to fix that stuff is bad business, because many dealers don't check them. They pull a box off the shelf and send it to the customer. Case in point is cars and RVs. I would rather not have a warranty and be confident that my product works and works well than have a 10 year warranty and have to bring it in to get things repaired constantly.
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I own 3 Fx rifles and never had an issue with any of them and they are all super accurate right out of the box. I also own two high-end Daystates, and on both using the magazine actually chips metal off of the pellet probe. Daystates response: the damage is just cosmetic.
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I have somewhere in the vicinity of 100 airguns of all types and brands. I recently purchased a FX Crown. I'll tell you honestly, I have NEVER been more impressed with an airgun!!! The innovation of the interchangeable smooth twist X barrels, the external click dial adjustments for TP and hammer spring, externally adjustable regulator all in a light weight package is prenominal. I have purchased the .22cal, .25cal and .30cal barrel kits that can be changed in 5 minutes or less. As well as the arrow shooting kit. MANY of my herd will now be sold because of the flexibility, unmatched accuracy and just down right fun to shoot that comes with the FX Crown.
And NO, this is not a paid advertisement. I purchased this airgun setup with my own money, nothing was donated to me. This is an honest appraisal of an airgun. So to me, there is absolutely nothing "bad" about FX airguns. And now with some of our very best GTA sanctioned vendors becoming FX distributors and the presence now of FX USA, you won't regret getting one yourself!!!!
SAFE & Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
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Ditto. After buying several air rifles that needed tinkering and tuning to get accuracy I finally got feed up and bought a used FX Crown 30 Cal. Small squirrels at 75 yards are now no problem. Two out past 100 yards. I am very impressed. I would have spent less by getting this gun in the first place but I didn't know what I didn't know. I am making amazingly difficult shots on these tiny squirrels!
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The Crown in walnut is what I'd like to have, would be nice to have one with all three barrels too :D
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A Crown, Impact, or Raptor, any with slug barrels would be my dream gun!
I state at ne time that I wouldn't trade my RSII for an FX. However, with Evanix now completely withdrawn for any and all customer support, I will Not buy another!
They have now lost a very loyal customer. >:(
Knife
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I watched a youtube video done by FX recently and they appear to be in it for the long haul, yes they're pricey but I think once you have one you'd probably be using it for as long as you wanted to and also able to get parts from them. There's a lot to be said about the Swede's.
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I use to think FX guns were for snobs. Now 10 years later I think they are clearly setting the standards in innovation.
Ha! Hey, Travis! I used to think FX guns were for the elite folks. The ones “chosen”, lol. Always also told myself I’d never be able to own one due to their price point. That is, till I got lucky with the recent purchase of a used Wildcat, and boy oh boy, I see why folks that own one end up owning no other.
Truth be told, though, in my tiny reload room where I store my Airguns, I have one gun on the bench, exposed, filled with air and pellets in the magazine, ready for that emergency call from the neighbors for critter dispatch. Its not the WC, but my trusty Hercules Bully. The FX to me right now(still new to me) seems too fragile. I guess over time that’ll change.
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Got a brand new FX Impact MKII with the power plenum just last week. Leaks down 10 to 15 BAR overnight out of the box ( really !! ). Inexcusable for a rifle in this price range. Do they not do any QC on the stuff before leaving the factory. I would think they should undergo a week or so test for air integrity and so on. Fredrik .. this is unacceptable to say the least !! … don't deny it. I wont blame the dealer as the stuff they get from the factory should be spot on for a flagship airgun. Almost CDN$3,000 and I have to mess with it .. strip it down .. and change out who knows how many O-rings and hope.. upon hope .. I can make it right. I am now completely soured on it. Mat Dubber from SA may like it but he is in their back pocket .. sad. Great gun for customization, but entirely over engineered from a functional and reliability perspective. On the flip side, I've had a Daystate for 15 years that has never leaked. I fear I have made a huge mistake.
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I saw earlier where FX was looking to add to their "pro staff" concerning their new line of scopes. Reminds me of a saying my boss told me once:
You either need to make a phenomenal product, or have a phenomenal advertising scheme. One doesn't need the other.
I don't have to say where I stand on the matter, this thread is so old that I probably already have lol. :-X
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A long time friend of mine was dead set on getting another Daystate. He has had great luck with them. But we decided to attend the Pyramyd Air Cup to see the shoot. Utah Air Guns had their van there with several pro shooters. Matt Dubber was there shooting for FX too. My friend was impressed with the performance of the pros shooting their FX Impacts. So he went home and ordered an FX Impact MK II .30 cal. He didn't have it a week before it started leaking. He hasn't sent it in yet for repair but is very discouraged. He is now wishing he had stuck to his orirginal plan and purchased the Daystate. I think I read where there are 46 "O" rings in an Impact. I can't imagine how hard it would be to get all of them fit in there- perfect- without a single leak. I think it is overly complex and therefore prone to problems. I will not buy one-period.
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Guess I am a lucky one. I have now had my .30 Impact Mk II for about a month and nary a leak. Holds pressure just fine. Gauges are accurate. Smooth
cocking and did I mention how accurate it is. I have had many airguns and have kept just 3. My Marauder .25cal, my Benjie Bulldog and now the Impact.
I am just a retired guy who likes to shoot. When I got it I cleaned the barrel, tuned over the chrony and can shoot both pellets and slugs out to 200yds.
I think people do not read the manual nor pay attention to the do's and do not's. This gun can be ruined if you do not tune it correctly. You must never
turn the regulator down when the gun is pressurized. When tuning for speed, slow and small adjustments. Again, maybe I am just lucky.
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Guess I am a lucky one. I have now had my .30 Impact Mk II for about a month and nary a leak. Holds pressure just fine. Gauges are accurate. Smooth
cocking and did I mention how accurate it is. I have had many airguns and have kept just 3. My Marauder .25cal, my Benjie Bulldog and now the Impact.
I am just a retired guy who likes to shoot. When I got it I cleaned the barrel, tuned over the chrony and can shoot both pellets and slugs out to 200yds.
I think people do not read the manual nor pay attention to the do's and do not's. This gun can be ruined if you do not tune it correctly. You must never
turn the regulator down when the gun is pressurized. When tuning for speed, slow and small adjustments. Again, maybe I am just lucky.
You can adjust the reg up and down with pressure in the gun. Just do like 1/4 turn then shoot a couple shots. What they're talking about in the manual is for the old reg not the AMP reg.
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Got a brand new FX Impact MKII with the power plenum just last week. Leaks down 10 to 15 BAR overnight out of the box ( really !! ). Inexcusable for a rifle in this price range. Do they not do any QC on the stuff before leaving the factory. I would think they should undergo a week or so test for air integrity and so on. Fredrik .. this is unacceptable to say the least !! … don't deny it. I wont blame the dealer as the stuff they get from the factory should be spot on for a flagship airgun. Almost CDN$3,000 and I have to mess with it .. strip it down .. and change out who knows how many O-rings and hope.. upon hope .. I can make it right. I am now completely soured on it. Mat Dubber from SA may like it but he is in their back pocket .. sad. Great gun for customization, but entirely over engineered from a functional and reliability perspective. On the flip side, I've had a Daystate for 15 years that has never leaked. I fear I have made a huge mistake.
Sorry to hear that, i don't think you've made a huge mistake. Seems overwhelming but they're not hard to work on. You can do things like tape a balloon over the end of the barrel and see if its leaking at the valve. CRC leak detector found a leak i had in seconds. Plenty of info to troubleshoot available online. Or send it back to Travis to fix. You can Pm me I've upgraded and modded mine quite a bit and know the platform well. You haven't made a mistake.
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Not overwhelming maybe, at least I hope not. But ... the point is it should not happen at this price point. I do not usually send anything back as I prefer to fix it myself as I am experienced in working on airguns. I blame the manufacturer for this, pure and simple. High end airguns should be completely vetted and sorted at the factory before being sent to any dealers and/or customers.
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Not overwhelming maybe, at least I hope not. But ... the point is it should not happen at this price point. I do not usually send anything back as I prefer to fix it myself as I am experienced in working on airguns. I blame the manufacturer for this, pure and simple. High end airguns should be completely vetted and sorted at the factory before being sent to any dealers and/or customers.
I think you are absolutely right. For that kind of money I would expect years and tens of thousands of shots of trouble free shooting. There are high end brands like Steyr who can provide that.
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You totally just jinxed your Daystate. Orings have a shelf life of 15 years sealed in a bag on a shelf below 100 degrees and 75% humidity. Not in use under pressure. It's days are numbered. And with being human comes errors. Sad but true. I understand your frustration. My dealer actually airs a gun up for 24 hours and marks the gauge with a piece of painter's tape to see if it's good to go before it goes out his door. Not your dealers fault it leaked, but a good one is worth there weight in gold to me. Had my MKII for 3months now, 6800 pellets downrange and not one hiccup. Could be something as simple as a loose gauge. Hope you get it sorted out quickly and can enjoy your new rifle.
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hmmm ... it makes a guy wonder ..... for the $$$$ I would hope , and expect the gun to be sorted out before sent ,and then there is this video ::) :(.... and so maybe a wild cat .30 sniper ... ;D ;D less problems ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWVLI0w5SfQ&t=193s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWVLI0w5SfQ&t=193s)
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hmmm ... it makes a guy wonder ..... for the $$$$ I would hope , and expect the gun to be sorted out before sent ,and then there is this video ::) :(.... and so maybe a wild cat .30 sniper ... ;D ;D less problems ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWVLI0w5SfQ&t=193s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWVLI0w5SfQ&t=193s)
By the logic in this video the Royale is also more adjustable than the impact. As it has tp adjustment, reg adjustable (not external) and HST adjustment. A couple things i think he's missing is the fact that hes using the valve control minimally. Also the HST wheel has about 70% of the hammer adjustment available. You can set it on the low end for the bottom 70% set it up a bit to get the middle 70, or higher to get the top 70%. That combined with his "set and forget" usage of the valve adjuster limits its capability.
There is much more adjustment available on the impact than the crown. That is a fact, also more power potential.
Crown doesn't have a set screw to adjust the HST slider, and doesn't have valve damping adjustment but its "more adjustable" ok. :)
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80 Range cards on the crown versus 14 on the impact though! ::)
Having a valve damper / buffer makes the impact far more tune-able...but hes probably right with 'adjust-ability' in terms of throwing out a different number across the chronograph...I mean, who doesn't want 80 range cards! :o
On another note, that's the first time I've really seen a 2" moderator on the end of an airgun...annnnnd.......LMBO. That thing would have to drop me around 10+ db to even consider the hideousness of such sticking off the end of my airgun...
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hmmm ... it makes a guy wonder ..... for the $$$$ I would hope , and expect the gun to be sorted out before sent ,and then there is this video ::) :(.... and so maybe a wild cat .30 sniper ... ;D ;D less problems ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWVLI0w5SfQ&t=193s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWVLI0w5SfQ&t=193s)
By the logic in this video the Royale is also more adjustable than the impact. As it has tp adjustment, reg adjustable (not external) and HST adjustment. A couple things i think he's missing is the fact that hes using the valve control minimally. Also the HST wheel has about 70% of the hammer adjustment available. You can set it on the low end for the bottom 70% set it up a bit to get the middle 70, or higher to get the top 70%. That combined with his "set and forget" usage of the valve adjuster limits its capability.
There is much more adjustment available on the impact than the crown. That is a fact, also more power potential.
Crown doesn't have a set screw to adjust the HST slider, and doesn't have valve damping adjustment but its "more adjustable" ok. :)
The Crown does have the HST adjuster screw. You just have to remove the gun from the stock to adjust it.
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You can adjust the reg up and down with pressure in the gun. Just do like 1/4 turn then shoot a couple shots. What they're talking about in the manual is for the old reg not the AMP reg.
Glem, thanks for the information. The manual still says to depressurize the gun first. All I know is that I am MORE than happy with my Impact.
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You can adjust the reg up and down with pressure in the gun. Just do like 1/4 turn then shoot a couple shots. What they're talking about in the manual is for the old reg not the AMP reg.
Glem, thanks for the information. The manual still says to depressurize the gun first. All I know is that I am MORE than happy with my Impact.
Send an email to FX USA with your serial number to verify what reg. you have. I wasted a lot of air that I didn't have too because I followed the manual...
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You can adjust the reg up and down with pressure in the gun. Just do like 1/4 turn then shoot a couple shots. What they're talking about in the manual is for the old reg not the AMP reg.
Glem, thanks for the information. The manual still says to depressurize the gun first. All I know is that I am MORE than happy with my Impact.
BSJ, I have a month old MkII. It does have the AMP reg. But I will e-mail John at FX USA anyway.
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Certain models of the FX guns really appeal to me:
The simple designs with minimal complexity.
Why? 8 years of working on way-overly-complex HP air and hydraulic system with between dozens and hundreds of o-rings (and retainers) for Uncle Sam.
The Impact and it's brethren are fine guns; the latest generation especially... But you can see by my signature which higher-end PCPs I prefer. Simpler and more rugged designs.
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I'm sure FX are great guns,......But there's no excuse for a 2+ Grand gun not to be operational out the box and for years and years without the need to touch it.
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I'm still rather ignorant of pcp airguns, but my .30 FX Indy has been flawless for years. I probably don't shoot near as much as others, but in the last couple of years I've owned it I've put 7-8 tins of pellets through mine and haven't done any maintenance or mods to it. It's the oddball FX as it's s pcp with an integrated pump which I heard would have issues with moisture, but so far it's been flawless.
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hmmm ... it makes a guy wonder ..... for the $$$$ I would hope , and expect the gun to be sorted out before sent ,and then there is this video ::)
By the logic in this video the Royale is also more adjustable than the impact. As it has tp adjustment, reg adjustable (not external) and HST adjustment. A couple things i think he's missing is the fact that hes using the valve control minimally. Also the HST wheel has about 70% of the hammer adjustment available. You can set it on the low end for the bottom 70% set it up a bit to get the middle 70, or higher to get the top 70%. That combined with his "set and forget" usage of the valve adjuster limits its capability.
There is much more adjustment available on the impact than the crown. That is a fact, also more power potential.
Crown doesn't have a set screw to adjust the HST slider, and doesn't have valve damping adjustment but its "more adjustable" ok. :)
My .25 Crown has an adjustment screw on the HST slider. But the Impact with the power plenum is the most adjustable of all the FX guns. Several parts were changed internally to make the power plenum power versatile. Such as hammer weight, TP size, valve spring, etc. If I can get mine to stop leaking I'll be happy. So far I have been unable to locate the leak. Left the bottle off for a few hours .. came back and reg had leaked down to zero. Dont think it should do that. Maybe it is a problem with the internal valve rod orings.
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What have you checked so far? Have you used any leak detector? Not a fan of soap and water. Unless you do a proper cleaning afterwards.
Quite possible the reg just isn't broken in yet and is leaking by the seat. But I would start there with some form of leak detector. Hit the reg under the trigger and the plenum and reg gage. Would also try a balloon over the barrel. I would try those first before pulling the valve rod. Try a shot behind the power wheel. Heard they can leak there also.
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What have you checked so far? Have you used any leak detector? Not a fan of soap and water. Unless you do a proper cleaning afterwards.
Quite possible the reg just isn't broken in yet and is leaking by the seat. But I would start there with some form of leak detector. Hit the reg under the trigger and the plenum and reg gage. Would also try a balloon over the barrel. I would try those first before pulling the valve rod. Try a shot behind the power wheel. Heard they can leak there also.
I've done the balloon test on barrel and fill gauge, all fine. Gauges check out fine. Bottle and fill valve check out fine. Used leak detection fluid on fill valve, bottle, gauges. I have not checked power plenum contact points but have checked the reg adjustment screw .. it was good. I have also not checked the valve adjuster because I am leery of putting leak detector all over the frickin place. All that stuff is water based, even CRC spray. I can see replacing half the orings in the frickin gun just to cover all bases .. ridiculous in my opinion.
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What have you checked so far? Have you used any leak detector? Not a fan of soap and water. Unless you do a proper cleaning afterwards.
Quite possible the reg just isn't broken in yet and is leaking by the seat. But I would start there with some form of leak detector. Hit the reg under the trigger and the plenum and reg gage. Would also try a balloon over the barrel. I would try those first before pulling the valve rod. Try a shot behind the power wheel. Heard they can leak there also.
I've done the balloon test on barrel and fill gauge, all fine. Gauges check out fine. Bottle and fill valve check out fine. Used leak detection fluid on fill valve, bottle, gauges. I have not checked power plenum contact points but have checked the reg adjustment screw .. it was good. I have also not checked the valve adjuster because I am leery of putting leak detector all over the frickin place. All that stuff is water based, even CRC spray. I can see replacing half the orings in the frickin gun just to cover all bases .. ridiculous in my opinion.
Theres maybe 10 orings that are under pressure. Try underneath the hammer spring adjuster wheel in the area of the slider there. Also above the back of the pistol grip where that gap is and the screw. Nothing under pressure near the valve adjuster.
My guess is either the PURO oring that seals the plenum to the valve rod, or one of the 2 orings that seal the plenum to the action. Either a 20 min fix.
https://youtu.be/bSscQBR6hWA
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What have you checked so far? Have you used any leak detector? Not a fan of soap and water. Unless you do a proper cleaning afterwards.
Quite possible the reg just isn't broken in yet and is leaking by the seat. But I would start there with some form of leak detector. Hit the reg under the trigger and the plenum and reg gage. Would also try a balloon over the barrel. I would try those first before pulling the valve rod. Try a shot behind the power wheel. Heard they can leak there also.
I've done the balloon test on barrel and fill gauge, all fine. Gauges check out fine. Bottle and fill valve check out fine. Used leak detection fluid on fill valve, bottle, gauges. I have not checked power plenum contact points but have checked the reg adjustment screw .. it was good. I have also not checked the valve adjuster because I am leery of putting leak detector all over the frickin place. All that stuff is water based, even CRC spray. I can see replacing half the orings in the frickin gun just to cover all bases .. ridiculous in my opinion.
Theres maybe 10 orings that are under pressure. Try underneath the hammer spring adjuster wheel in the area of the slider there. Also above the back of the pistol grip where that gap is and the screw. Nothing under pressure near the valve adjuster.
Yeah, I did not figure the valve adjuster screw would be front and centre. I did nip up the bolt on the front of plenum but I'm sure that does not do anything. Have not checked the gap behind the pistol grip as I am waiting on delivery of CRC foam. Guess I could use shaving foam :-) but I am growing weary of this. Methinks FX should have hired a couple of German engineers. Would end up with the same functional gun but much simpler and robust.
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What have you checked so far? Have you used any leak detector? Not a fan of soap and water. Unless you do a proper cleaning afterwards.
Quite possible the reg just isn't broken in yet and is leaking by the seat. But I would start there with some form of leak detector. Hit the reg under the trigger and the plenum and reg gage. Would also try a balloon over the barrel. I would try those first before pulling the valve rod. Try a shot behind the power wheel. Heard they can leak there also.
I've done the balloon test on barrel and fill gauge, all fine. Gauges check out fine. Bottle and fill valve check out fine. Used leak detection fluid on fill valve, bottle, gauges. I have not checked power plenum contact points but have checked the reg adjustment screw .. it was good. I have also not checked the valve adjuster because I am leery of putting leak detector all over the frickin place. All that stuff is water based, even CRC spray. I can see replacing half the orings in the frickin gun just to cover all bases .. ridiculous in my opinion.
Theres maybe 10 orings that are under pressure. Try underneath the hammer spring adjuster wheel in the area of the slider there. Also above the back of the pistol grip where that gap is and the screw. Nothing under pressure near the valve adjuster.
Yeah, I did not figure the valve adjuster screw would be front and centre. I did nip up the bolt on the front of plenum but I'm sure that does not do anything. Have not checked the gap behind the pistol grip as I am waiting on delivery of CRC foam. Guess I could use shaving foam :-) but I am growing weary of this. Methinks FX should have hired a couple of German engineers. Would end up with the same functional gun but much simpler and robust.
Nah they're fine how they are. I started a thread on another forum as to how many own impacts and if theyre happy. Over 100 and 2 weren't happy/regretted buying. You've had a bad experience i get it. Shaving foam would work fine just blow it out after.
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What have you checked so far? Have you used any leak detector? Not a fan of soap and water. Unless you do a proper cleaning afterwards.
Quite possible the reg just isn't broken in yet and is leaking by the seat. But I would start there with some form of leak detector. Hit the reg under the trigger and the plenum and reg gage. Would also try a balloon over the barrel. I would try those first before pulling the valve rod. Try a shot behind the power wheel. Heard they can leak there also.
I've done the balloon test on barrel and fill gauge, all fine. Gauges check out fine. Bottle and fill valve check out fine. Used leak detection fluid on fill valve, bottle, gauges. I have not checked power plenum contact points but have checked the reg adjustment screw .. it was good. I have also not checked the valve adjuster because I am leery of putting leak detector all over the frickin place. All that stuff is water based, even CRC spray. I can see replacing half the orings in the frickin gun just to cover all bases .. ridiculous in my opinion.
Theres maybe 10 orings that are under pressure. Try underneath the hammer spring adjuster wheel in the area of the slider there. Also above the back of the pistol grip where that gap is and the screw. Nothing under pressure near the valve adjuster.
Yeah, I did not figure the valve adjuster screw would be front and centre. I did nip up the bolt on the front of plenum but I'm sure that does not do anything. Have not checked the gap behind the pistol grip as I am waiting on delivery of CRC foam. Guess I could use shaving foam :-) but I am growing weary of this. Methinks FX should have hired a couple of German engineers. Would end up with the same functional gun but much simpler and robust.
Nah they're fine how they are. I started a thread on another forum as to how many own impacts and if theyre happy. Over 100 and 2 weren't happy/regretted buying. You've had a bad experience i get it. Shaving foam would work fine just blow it out after.
Really appreciate your help, awesome. I like the gun, just want it work .. considering the cost and so on. Do you have instructions or a link on removing the plenum and replacing the power wheel orings. At first glance the power plenum model seems way more complicated than the previous MKii.
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What have you checked so far? Have you used any leak detector? Not a fan of soap and water. Unless you do a proper cleaning afterwards.
Quite possible the reg just isn't broken in yet and is leaking by the seat. But I would start there with some form of leak detector. Hit the reg under the trigger and the plenum and reg gage. Would also try a balloon over the barrel. I would try those first before pulling the valve rod. Try a shot behind the power wheel. Heard they can leak there also.
I've done the balloon test on barrel and fill gauge, all fine. Gauges check out fine. Bottle and fill valve check out fine. Used leak detection fluid on fill valve, bottle, gauges. I have not checked power plenum contact points but have checked the reg adjustment screw .. it was good. I have also not checked the valve adjuster because I am leery of putting leak detector all over the frickin place. All that stuff is water based, even CRC spray. I can see replacing half the orings in the frickin gun just to cover all bases .. ridiculous in my opinion.
Theres maybe 10 orings that are under pressure. Try underneath the hammer spring adjuster wheel in the area of the slider there. Also above the back of the pistol grip where that gap is and the screw. Nothing under pressure near the valve adjuster.
Yeah, I did not figure the valve adjuster screw would be front and centre. I did nip up the bolt on the front of plenum but I'm sure that does not do anything. Have not checked the gap behind the pistol grip as I am waiting on delivery of CRC foam. Guess I could use shaving foam :-) but I am growing weary of this. Methinks FX should have hired a couple of German engineers. Would end up with the same functional gun but much simpler and robust.
Nah they're fine how they are. I started a thread on another forum as to how many own impacts and if theyre happy. Over 100 and 2 weren't happy/regretted buying. You've had a bad experience i get it. Shaving foam would work fine just blow it out after.
Really appreciate your help, awesome. I like the gun, just want it work .. considering the cost and so on. Do you have instructions or a link on removing the plenum and replacing the power wheel orings. At first glance the power plenum model seems way more complicated than the previous MKii.
No its not anymore complicated IMO. This is a good guide, i would personally rather unscrew the reg guage slowly until it starts to hiss and let it bleed the air off once the bottle is removed rather than dryfire like in the video. Remember you'll have a spring when you remove the valve adjuster unlike the video since hes upgrading an pre-power plenum model.
I would stop at the 6 min mark, loosen that screw above the grip (4mm i think) and slide the rear block, plenum back away from the action. The valve rod will come with. This is all if you get bubbles under the power wheel (indicates the little puro oring under the nut at the skinny end of the plenum has failed) alternatively if you get bubbles above the grip at the back in that gap would be the 2 on the outside (skinny end of plenum). You can sometimes hear a leak by topping off and putting a piece of hose to your ear and probing around. If you find the leak we can go from there. Id most likely have a couple orings for you if its either of these areas.
https://youtu.be/Bwd0QyWgVKI
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I received my used 1-year old FX Impact II on June 1st equipped with a .30 cal 700mm barrel kit. I am very pleased with it so far. It doesn't leak a drop of air that I can tell. The AMP regulator is solid and the gun is very consistent and accurate. It is extremely easy to cock, and I love the 23 and 28 shot capacity magazines in .30 and .25 cal. I have been removing the bottle, degassing (super easy) and changing out barrel calibers and retuning in this time frame and the gun just keeps on ticking. The tuning is super easy and having the ability to change the velocities up and down on the fly externally is great. A very solid performer if you asked me.
I am really happy I did not listen to any naysayers. You can find negativity on just about anything if you look for it. It's just an awesome designed gun in my view. I do have an O-ring kit on standby for it being it's a HP PCP. Just like I do have with my Marauders and my .357 Slayer. No difference there being O-rings are destine to fail eventually. Having torn down the Marauders and the Slayer, and parts of this Impact just checking stuff, I'd put this one a few cuts above those in its design overall. It's not as robust as the Marauders, kinda like comparing it to a Ford verses a Ferrari would be close. So yes, some delicate parts to work its magic are involved, but still tough enough for the sensible shooters.
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What have you checked so far? Have you used any leak detector? Not a fan of soap and water. Unless you do a proper cleaning afterwards.
Quite possible the reg just isn't broken in yet and is leaking by the seat. But I would start there with some form of leak detector. Hit the reg under the trigger and the plenum and reg gage. Would also try a balloon over the barrel. I would try those first before pulling the valve rod. Try a shot behind the power wheel. Heard they can leak there also.
I've done the balloon test on barrel and fill gauge, all fine. Gauges check out fine. Bottle and fill valve check out fine. Used leak detection fluid on fill valve, bottle, gauges. I have not checked power plenum contact points but have checked the reg adjustment screw .. it was good. I have also not checked the valve adjuster because I am leery of putting leak detector all over the frickin place. All that stuff is water based, even CRC spray. I can see replacing half the orings in the frickin gun just to cover all bases .. ridiculous in my opinion.
Theres maybe 10 orings that are under pressure. Try underneath the hammer spring adjuster wheel in the area of the slider there. Also above the back of the pistol grip where that gap is and the screw. Nothing under pressure near the valve adjuster.
Yeah, I did not figure the valve adjuster screw would be front and centre. I did nip up the bolt on the front of plenum but I'm sure that does not do anything. Have not checked the gap behind the pistol grip as I am waiting on delivery of CRC foam. Guess I could use shaving foam :-) but I am growing weary of this. Methinks FX should have hired a couple of German engineers. Would end up with the same functional gun but much simpler and robust.
Nah they're fine how they are. I started a thread on another forum as to how many own impacts and if theyre happy. Over 100 and 2 weren't happy/regretted buying. You've had a bad experience i get it. Shaving foam would work fine just blow it out after.
Really appreciate your help, awesome. I like the gun, just want it work .. considering the cost and so on. Do you have instructions or a link on removing the plenum and replacing the power wheel orings. At first glance the power plenum model seems way more complicated than the previous MKii.
No its not anymore complicated IMO. This is a good guide, i would personally rather unscrew the reg guage slowly until it starts to hiss and let it bleed the air off once the bottle is removed rather than dryfire like in the video. Remember you'll have a spring when you remove the valve adjuster unlike the video since hes upgrading an pre-power plenum model.
I would stop at the 6 min mark, loosen that screw above the grip (4mm i think) and slide the rear block, plenum back away from the action. The valve rod will come with. This is all if you get bubbles under the power wheel (indicates the little puro oring under the nut at the skinny end of the plenum has failed) alternatively if you get bubbles above the grip at the back in that gap would be the 2 on the outside (skinny end of plenum). You can sometimes hear a leak by topping off and putting a piece of hose to your ear and probing around. If you find the leak we can go from there. Id most likely have a couple orings for you if its either of these areas.
That is not what I would call uncomplicated. Actually looks like a FUBAR .. lol. I can rebuild an HW100 or any other PCP in 10 minutes with about 6 orings without even paying attention that much. I am going to set it aside and decide what to do .. it is a new $2,700 gun .. don't need this, or deserve it, to say the least. FWIW, I have three other FX guns .. two Royales and a Crown. No problems with any of them. As far as o-rings go, I have enough coming to rebuild it about 50 times over .. might need them at this rate. FX needs to hire a German engineer to make it logical and simple, lol.
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What have you checked so far? Have you used any leak detector? Not a fan of soap and water. Unless you do a proper cleaning afterwards.
Quite possible the reg just isn't broken in yet and is leaking by the seat. But I would start there with some form of leak detector. Hit the reg under the trigger and the plenum and reg gage. Would also try a balloon over the barrel. I would try those first before pulling the valve rod. Try a shot behind the power wheel. Heard they can leak there also.
I've done the balloon test on barrel and fill gauge, all fine. Gauges check out fine. Bottle and fill valve check out fine. Used leak detection fluid on fill valve, bottle, gauges. I have not checked power plenum contact points but have checked the reg adjustment screw .. it was good. I have also not checked the valve adjuster because I am leery of putting leak detector all over the frickin place. All that stuff is water based, even CRC spray. I can see replacing half the orings in the frickin gun just to cover all bases .. ridiculous in my opinion.
Theres maybe 10 orings that are under pressure. Try underneath the hammer spring adjuster wheel in the area of the slider there. Also above the back of the pistol grip where that gap is and the screw. Nothing under pressure near the valve adjuster.
Yeah, I did not figure the valve adjuster screw would be front and centre. I did nip up the bolt on the front of plenum but I'm sure that does not do anything. Have not checked the gap behind the pistol grip as I am waiting on delivery of CRC foam. Guess I could use shaving foam :-) but I am growing weary of this. Methinks FX should have hired a couple of German engineers. Would end up with the same functional gun but much simpler and robust.
Nah they're fine how they are. I started a thread on another forum as to how many own impacts and if theyre happy. Over 100 and 2 weren't happy/regretted buying. You've had a bad experience i get it. Shaving foam would work fine just blow it out after.
Well .. maybe they should fly an engineer to my location to fix it. They fly Dubber back and forth all the time and he is just another consumer like the rest of us .. ;)
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Just send it back for a refund if your that unhappy with it. If you keep messing with it you could void your 3yr warranty. ;)
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Ok im done here.
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"IS" Uh, Are FX AirGuns Really that bad? Not by a LONG SHOT!!! Unless of course you hate dead nuts accurate and have the no mechanical skills to maintain a PCP!
Knife
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AMEN to that. :)
My Crown is so dang reliable and accurate I do NOT want to tinker with it. Leave perfection alone. I have several caliber kits as well as the arrow kit but don't want to even change this....for now.
LOL
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AMEN to that. :)
My Crown is so dang reliable and accurate I do NOT want to tinker with it. Leave perfection alone. I have several caliber kits as well as the arrow kit but don't want to even change this....for now.
LOL
LOL, go ahead and tinker...It'll still shoot straight in my findings so far. The barrel kits are keyed. Just mark your liner at the tip before removing to keep the same timing/POI when reinserting. Truly some forwarding thinking guns, IMHO.
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One Day! ;)
Mike
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I have a Crown also in .25 and .30 and wouldn't sell it unless my life did depend on it. ;D
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Good reading in this thread. Some of us don't really like them. Some love them. Some think these are overengineered and some think they are just too expensive while others would be willing to pay even more if needed.
I consider them fine pieces of equipment...
But I still prefer my EdGuns. They were designed from the ground up to be used, not pampered.
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Good reading in this thread. Some of us don't really like them. Some love them. Some think these are overengineered and some think they are just too expensive while others would be willing to pay even more if needed.
I consider them fine pieces of equipment...
But I still prefer my EdGuns. They were designed from the ground up to be used, not pampered.
Well said. I prefer the journey as much if not more than the destination, and enjoyed modifying my entry level / budget rifle into performance that rivals and in many cases outright crushes higher end competitors. Having a bench/safe queen that you fear getting a scratch on or bumping because its poi will change is not my way, but for some, its their way, and to each their own...
I think, the real question is...'Is FX Airguns really that good' and to that I say, not in my opinion. They are popular, and have done a wonderful job marketing and building sponsorships that double down on their hype...short of that, imo...they are light years behind in many ways and are just recently catching up to some degree the last couple years.
Every airgun I have handled and shot, be it my marauder, or an AA S510, or an FX Impact, has impressed me with their accuracy and ability to stack pellets...at the end of the day these rifles are simple (until you get to the newer hammerless semi autos such as hubens and the new lehsiy 2)...in that they all slap a hammer against a valve that releases a set amount of air down a bore that sends your projectile wherever you aim it, ultimately if you can provide consistent release of air (easy to achieve), the last variable comes down to rigidity and barrel quality...which again are both easy to ensure. So with that, I cannot definitively say, that any one brand is far superior to another...no one can objectively state such.
I know people in here that have opinions that shift like the winds or seasons, in that they once disputed the usefulness of aluminum air cylinders and that they preferred the extra weight of the OEM tube, and later find they equipped both their marauders with said aluminum tubes and having nothing but positive things to say...so when it comes to these subjective opinions, take them with a grain of salt...I know I do.
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I dont get the dislike? And a lot seems to come from folks who have never owned one. At one point I almost bought into it. Fast forward to my first wildcat. This was my second attempt to like a pup after having a cricket a few years back. Fine gun, never a problem. Just couldn't make myself like a pup.
Give me more shots! Fx Royale...awesome simple well built gun. Never a problem. Sold it off to purchase a Raptor. That fell through. Wanted to try the impact but horror stories all over the forums. Watched a lot of Ernest's vids and plunked my money down.
I'm so glad I did! Lots of part and o-rings. I've tore it down just to see how it was put together. This gen 2 pp is put together like a finely machined erector set! It's just flat out cool to me how everything works together as a unit and fits together perfectly.
I wouldn't recommend this gun for a first timer for obvious reasons. But if you've regulated a few non regulated guns or built a few QB"s and have a grip on how to tune, it's an awesome platform.
Not an edgun for sure, wouldn't run it over with my truck. But not dainty by no means. I did a recount of my empty tinsel and have 7200 downrange in about three and a half months without a hitch. It stays leaned in a corner by the back window most of the time. Gets put on the floor of my truck and has banged off of door jambs and window sills getting in a hurry to swat pests. Get this, doesn't lose zero!
When an oring goes south, I'm pretty sure I could have it up and holdind air in about a half hour or so. Either you love em or hate em when you read about them I guess. Seems no middle ground when it comes them.
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I dont get the dislike? And a lot seems to come from folks who have never owned one. At one point I almost bought into it. Fast forward to my first wildcat. This was my second attempt to like a pup after having a cricket a few years back. Fine gun, never a problem. Just couldn't make myself like a pup.
Give me more shots! Fx Royale...awesome simple well built gun. Never a problem. Sold it off to purchase a Raptor. That fell through. Wanted to try the impact but horror stories all over the forums. Watched a lot of Ernest's vids and plunked my money down.
I'm so glad I did! Lots of part and o-rings. I've tore it down just to see how it was put together. This gen 2 pp is put together like a finely machined erector set! It's just flat out cool to me how everything works together as a unit and fits together perfectly.
I wouldn't recommend this gun for a first timer for obvious reasons. But if you've regulated a few non regulated guns or built a few QB"s and have a grip on how to tune, it's an awesome platform.
Not an edgun for sure, wouldn't run it over with my truck. But not dainty by no means. I did a recount of my empty tinsel and have 7200 downrange in about three and a half months without a hitch. It stays leaned in a corner by the back window most of the time. Gets put on the floor of my truck and has banged off of door jambs and window sills getting in a hurry to swat pests. Get this, doesn't lose zero!
When an oring goes south, I'm pretty sure I could have it up and holdind air in about a half hour or so. Either you love em or hate em when you read about them I guess. Seems no middle ground when it comes them.
Love all my FX guns .. albeit the Impact has got me frustrated. When they work they are fantastic, and pretty well all mine work great. And they usually work .. Impact is a bit finicky it seems .. some people don't like it when you say that .. but "c'est la vie".
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Ok im done here.
Wow .. whatever .. I get your loyalty, focus and thin skin .. well maybe, lol. I came from a background in centrefire benchrest. This kind of stuff never, ever "flew" there, nor should it anywhere in the shooting sports. Have a good day ... really.
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Two fx's in my arsenal of air. Bobcat mkll 30 and impact mkll 30 both are slug launchers. The impact has more power both are deadly accurate. No issues with either one.
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Ok im done here.
Wow .. whatever .. I get your loyalty, focus and thin skin .. well maybe, lol. I came from a background in centrefire benchrest. This kind of stuff never, ever "flew" there, nor should it anywhere in the shooting sports. Have a good day ... really.
You explained a problem and I tried to help, i showed you how to diagnose and fix it and even offered to send you orings. Either fix it or send it back pal. Good luck.
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I dont get the dislike? And a lot seems to come from folks who have never owned one. At one point I almost bought into it. Fast forward to my first wildcat. This was my second attempt to like a pup after having a cricket a few years back. Fine gun, never a problem. Just couldn't make myself like a pup.
Give me more shots! Fx Royale...awesome simple well built gun. Never a problem. Sold it off to purchase a Raptor. That fell through. Wanted to try the impact but horror stories all over the forums. Watched a lot of Ernest's vids and plunked my money down.
I'm so glad I did! Lots of part and o-rings. I've tore it down just to see how it was put together. This gen 2 pp is put together like a finely machined erector set! It's just flat out cool to me how everything works together as a unit and fits together perfectly.
I wouldn't recommend this gun for a first timer for obvious reasons. But if you've regulated a few non regulated guns or built a few QB"s and have a grip on how to tune, it's an awesome platform.
Not an edgun for sure, wouldn't run it over with my truck. But not dainty by no means. I did a recount of my empty tinsel and have 7200 downrange in about three and a half months without a hitch. It stays leaned in a corner by the back window most of the time. Gets put on the floor of my truck and has banged off of door jambs and window sills getting in a hurry to swat pests. Get this, doesn't lose zero!
When an oring goes south, I'm pretty sure I could have it up and holdind air in about a half hour or so. Either you love em or hate em when you read about them I guess. Seems no middle ground when it comes them.
Well said! It certainly took me a while because of all the hype. I don't necessarily like that it's an "FX Impact MK2" with all the hype, whoopie. I sure do care for how it performs and all of the capabilities it offers me though. It's a solid build, like many others and I like it.
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no problems with the 2 i own.
great build quality, reliable and very accurate.
great customer service through FX-USA, they read these threads and comment
regularly with techincal support contact information. 8)
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I have no issues with FX Products. Are they all perfect out of the box ..... No, but neither are the products from any manufacturer and I have a knack of finding bad products. ::)
I do have an issue with the head of FX-USA who I used to admire greatly when he was with AGD but now I don't trust him one bit! >:(
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Ok im done here.
Wow .. whatever .. I get your loyalty, focus and thin skin .. well maybe, lol. I came from a background in centrefire benchrest. This kind of stuff never, ever "flew" there, nor should it anywhere in the shooting sports. Have a good day ... really.
Why are you acting this way when he tried offering assistance- IE: throwing it back in his face? That doesn't fly at shooting competitions either.
Back to the topic at hand: is FX that bad? Probably not, but man-o-man have there been a lot of complaint threads. For the coin spent, they should be darn near flawless. Another PC, the Taipan Mutant- is one of several others at the same approximate range with far fewer complaints. Same could be said for the BSA R10, AA510, and KalibrGun Cricket, as well as the Vulcan.
Like I said, I'll stick with my EdGuns- as much because I like Ed and his world-view as EdGun's offerings.
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Ok im done here.
Wow .. whatever .. I get your loyalty, focus and thin skin .. well maybe, lol. I came from a background in centrefire benchrest. This kind of stuff never, ever "flew" there, nor should it anywhere in the shooting sports. Have a good day ... really.
Why are you acting this way when he tried offering assistance- IE: throwing it back in his face? That doesn't fly at shooting competitions either.
Back to the topic at hand: is FX that bad? Probably not, but man-o-man have there been a lot of complaint threads. For the coin spent, they should be darn near flawless. Another PC, the Taipan Mutant- is one of several others at the same approximate range with far fewer complaints. Same could be said for the BSA R10, AA510, and KalibrGun Cricket, as well as the Vulcan.
Like I said, I'll stick with my EdGuns- as much because I like Ed and his world-view as EdGun's offerings.
Yes .. you are right .. I was in mid rant mode and I regret the way I said what I said. I have fixed the leak in the Impact and have calmed down. Happy days now !
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Ok im done here.
Wow .. whatever .. I get your loyalty, focus and thin skin .. well maybe, lol. I came from a background in centrefire benchrest. This kind of stuff never, ever "flew" there, nor should it anywhere in the shooting sports. Have a good day ... really.
You explained a problem and I tried to help, i showed you how to diagnose and fix it and even offered to send you orings. Either fix it or send it back pal. Good luck.
Want to apologize to you Glem. I came across as as a jerk, and as much as I say I did not mean anything personally it was certainly inappropriate .. mea culpa.
On a happier note I fixed the leak in my Impact. Could not find it it until I got CRC spray leak detector. It was the forward oring on the power plenum .. ham fisted assembly it would appear, as it was visibly gouged. You were spot on as working on it was fairly simple, although care to detail is required. Has not leaked for over 24 hours now. Only puzzlement is that my reg gauge registers 10 bar lower, but that is a separate issue. Thank you for your advice and the link to the Krale video as that is the one I used for reference. Not sure how the gun got out of the FX factory with a butchered oring but as they say .. stuff happens. Thanks again .. hope we're cool.
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Ok im done here.
Wow .. whatever .. I get your loyalty, focus and thin skin .. well maybe, lol. I came from a background in centrefire benchrest. This kind of stuff never, ever "flew" there, nor should it anywhere in the shooting sports. Have a good day ... really.
You explained a problem and I tried to help, i showed you how to diagnose and fix it and even offered to send you orings. Either fix it or send it back pal. Good luck.
Want to apologize to you Glem. I came across as as a jerk, and as much as I say I did not mean anything personally it was certainly inappropriate .. mea culpa.
On a happier note I fixed the leak in my Impact. Could not find it it until I got CRC spray leak detector. It was the forward oring on the power plenum .. ham fisted assembly it would appear, as it was visibly gouged. You were spot on as working on it was fairly simple, although care to detail is required. Has not leaked for over 24 hours now. Only puzzlement is that my reg gauge registers 10 bar lower, but that is a separate issue. Thank you for your advice and the link to the Krale video as that is the one I used for reference. Not sure how the gun got out of the FX factory with a butchered oring but as they say .. stuff happens. Thanks again .. hope we're cool.
All good Ron, i know you we're frustrated and I don't blame you. I put a power plenum from Poland in October and had some leaks out of there and CRC helped me find it. Mine was the one that seals along the valve rod. Would be a good idea for them to chamfer the block back there so its less likely that the outer orings get knicked on assembly. (Or use more grease)
Time to enjoy that beauty I'm sure youre to love it. The guns have many orings but only 10 or so are under pressure and quick to find out which if it happens. And you've already done basically the trickiest part. Easy gun to work on with attention to detail like you said.
Enjoy,
Glem,
If you're having any issues with it feel free to PM me.
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Glem, i thought you have an Impact with the power plenum and 6.5mm valve seat that does 130fpe? is that the .30 cal?
Fx guns are excellent, i have an Crown and the semiauto that doesnt work. but fit and finish is top not, triggers are aslo good.
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Glem, i thought you have an Impact with the power plenum and 6.5mm valve seat that does 130fpe? is that the .30 cal?
Fx guns are excellent, i have an Crown and the semiauto that doesnt work. but fit and finish is top not, triggers are aslo good.
Yeah i do, got 133 at one point in .30. The plenum i have is the one before FX came out with theirs and still use the original hammer spring and rubber ball in the valve stop. I like it better than the current style.
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I love my FX Crown, bought it from Airguns of Arizona, they have a Royale 300 with synthetic stock.
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i m amazed to find this thread about FX guns. I see so little about them in general. I was wondering if it was taboo to talk about them . I live near their usa office maybe i ll go visit them one day .
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i m amazed to find this thread about FX guns. I see so little about them in general. I was wondering if it was taboo to talk about them . I live near their usa office maybe i ll go visit them one day .
No, FX guns are awesome and some of the best. They also come ready to shoot, so not much to talk about really...They just work and shoot amazingly well.
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FX rifles rock straight out of the box...
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All I can say is I got 10 years without any issues on these three converted air rifles...the Dominator HPA .22 just blew an o-ring a week ago.
Top= .177 CO2
Middle = HPA .177 regulated'
Bottom= Dominator HPA .22 regulated
Always wanted an FX for years but cost kept me out of that mix.
http://u.cubeupload.com/crazyhorse4/AirRifles001.jpg (http://u.cubeupload.com/crazyhorse4/AirRifles001.jpg)
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All I can say is I got 10 years without any issues on these three converted air rifles...the Dominator HPA .22 just blew an o-ring a week ago.
Top= .177 CO2
Middle = HPA .177 regulated'
Bottom= Dominator HPA .22 regulated
Always wanted an FX for years but cost kept me out of that mix.
http://u.cubeupload.com/crazyhorse4/AirRifles001.jpg (http://u.cubeupload.com/crazyhorse4/AirRifles001.jpg)
Those three rifles you have look very inviting to shoot. I went for a used FX along with used barrels and liners, which saved me a lot, but doesn't feel like it, Lol. They are well built enough for not too much of a gamble doing that, or I got real lucky. I can say I am having a little bit more fun with the Impact compared to my Marauders, but not by a whole lot. Just a little more power, accuracy and consistency than those with more shots between refills mainly.
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I think the Dominator failed because I did not shoot it near as much as the other two. (But 10 years trouble free is pretty good reliability in my book). I also have two Sheridan pumpers that are going strong.
Back when I had my eye on the FX Monsoon but have not heard how that rifle held up.
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As a real newbie that has never taken an Airgun apart I will just share this. Bought an FX 400 Royale in 22 caliber, mounted a scope and shot it. I just opened my second tin of 500 pellets. Yesterday I took it down the the lake were neighbors are camping this weekend. 10 different people shot it including 3 kids under 12 years old. ALL without exception hit a golf ball at 100 yards. It took some folks several “close” shots but they hit one. One 8 year old girl who had never shot a gun hit the golf ball first shot. All off a bench with sandbags, but the gun shoots! I have nothing bad to say about FX’s and the neighbor guy instantly got on his computer and ordered one. :)
PS>This forum is very helpful and you all are awesome!
Lonnie
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As a real newbie that has never taken an Airgun apart I will just share this. Bought an FX 400 Royale in 22 caliber, mounted a scope and shot it. I just opened my second tin of 500 pellets. Yesterday I took it down the the lake were neighbors are camping this weekend. 10 different people shot it including 3 kids under 12 years old. ALL without exception hit a golf ball at 100 yards. It took some folks several “close” shots but they hit one. One 8 year old girl who had never shot a gun hit the golf ball first shot. All off a bench with sandbags, but the gun shoots! I have nothing bad to say about FX’s and the neighbor guy instantly got on his computer and ordered one. :)
PS>This forum is very helpful and you all are awesome!
Lonnie
Congrats on a your purchase Lonnie.
The Royale is rightfully considered one of the best platforms that FX has produced.