Is FX Airguns really that bad?

[Nomadic Pirate]

I really havent wrote it down what i need, i know what i want.

Removeable bottle: so i can carry a spare with me. High shot count and power too.

I think you seriously limit your choices with this requirement.

if you really want to bring extra air in the field you can carry a Guppy bottle and refill more then once as needed,.....that way you can look at many more guns, options are valuable

[darkcharisma]

I did look at the Rti, but i got me a Huben instead. i think you would be pleased with the Rti, its got an accurate CZ barrel and seems to be easier and simpler than Impact. you are indeed all over the place, the Kral is not regulated and can be had for $770. easier to bore out for more power but heavier than RTI. i have a gauntlet .22 with 40fpe and 80 shots regulated...just close your eyes and buy the one you think is best for your money!

[Bowtieguy_66]

I think i will just stay with what i have for a while, i think we all itch to have nicer things.

i just want something that has it all i think, and its just not possible the way i want it right now.

[Jking]

No they are not from my experiences. I currently own three all in 25cal. A Wildcat if your looking for a very accurate BP gun that's light and is an excellent carry, beat around the brush gun. I also have an older Royale that has been problem free and is a dream to shoot. My last addition was the Crown in pepper laminate. Again never any issues. Zip, zero, notta. Almost forgot, I also had a Royale in 400 that I never had a issue with.

As with anything else that is mass produced I think you hear of some of the issues especially with the earlier Impacts is due to the shear numbers sold and the rush to market on that particular gun.

JMHO
Jimmy

[Relentless Holiday]

I really havent wrote it down what i need, i know what i want.

Removeable bottle: so i can carry a spare with me. High shot count and power too.

I think you seriously limit your choices with this requirement.

if you really want to bring extra air in the field you can carry a Guppy bottle and refill more then once as needed,.....that way you can look at many more guns, options are valuable

+1

...And the guppy can fill any others as well.  This part is a no brainer really.  If your gonna carry a spare tank why not stay flexible and it will act as spare air with the whole future arsenal you are gonna acquire eventually?

[Westend-Vince]

hi all,
as an FX dealer, of course I'm a little biased.
I will admit that every gun I own has had minor issues. stock blemishes, a missing screw, etc...  nothing earth shattering, nothing other than cosmetic, and FX USA is more than glad to remedy all situations.
My impression is that the majority of the trouble is caused by inconsistent dealer prep.  FX USA is under pressure to deliver guns as fast as possible because their marketing model creates high demand for their products before the pipeline has a chance to catch up.  when things go straight from the container to the customer, details fall through the cracks. everyone expects perfection, but no one actually makes sure it's so.  I won't start the infomercial for my services here, but where you buy makes a difference in your experience.  I know from talking with Jon that they've increased staff from 4 last year to 12, so more eyes should mean better QC.

[Nomadic Pirate]

  FX USA is under pressure to deliver guns as fast as possible because their marketing model creates high demand for their products before the pipeline has a chance to catch up.  when things go straight from the container to the customer, details fall through the cracks. everyone expects perfection, but no one actually makes sure it's so. 

At FX price points,.....that is not even close enough to a decent excuse.

[rsterne]

IMO kind of like saying "we can't unload the containers fast enough to keep up to the demand, so why should we care, we're selling them anyways?".... 

Over 2K should buy you as near perfection as it is possible to make, no?....

Bob

[Glem Chally]

You won't get a non baised opinion on FX here,  very jaded.  Yes they're all 2500 and total &^^& guys,  the .25 streamline for 1100 or less that's regulated and capable of 60fpe with the turn of the right screws and sub MOA groups at 100m.

Yeah doesn't exist, keep it up guys.  Keep the blinders on and the misinformation coming!

[rsterne]

I have zero experience with FX guns, and I certainly have no bias for or against them.... My post was a comment on the "excuse" offered by an FX Dealer.... nothing more, nothing less....

Bob

[Glem Chally]

I have zero experience with FX guns, and I certainly have no bias for or against them.... My post was a comment on the "excuse" offered by an FX Dealer.... nothing more, nothing less....

Bob

Fair enough,  I personally have had excellent customer service from FXUSA.  They have bent over backwards for me but yeah they have experienced growing pains and they have been hammered for a long time with customers wanting parts.  Not parts for broken guns you see,  parts for upgrades,  caliber swaps.  I had some parts left over from upgrading my Royale including a stock,  bottle,  air gauge things like that what parts do I need to build a second full gun based on the same block,  FXUSA said OK no problem.  Put them all in a box for me many many parts including a new breech block at a very reasonable price.  It almost looked like a cost list not a retail parts list,  I could never have any of these parts built myself for less. 

Anyways yeah you might have to call them not just email but FXUSA,  and the now two guns of theirs have been excellent.  They are working on getting their new HQ ready,  no excuses but excuses lol.  And for the record neither gun cost 2k.

I like all airguns if they shoot and people like them I don't &^^& on them,  or try not to.  Lets not be brand elitist guys, in both ways!

On another forum a members friend stared a thread about his friend that's also a member has throat cancer and had to sell his guns for his treatment,  FXUSA saw the thread and Jon from there got it arranged and gave this guy a new Impact in .22.   That's pretty awesome if you ask me,  and it wasn't FX that announced this it was the guy who started the thread.

[wolverine]

I really havent wrote it down what i need, i know what i want.

Removeable bottle: so i can carry a spare with me. High shot count and power too.

Synthetic stock like reasons mentioned.

Compact-ish, i like the bullpups, but no bottle, thats why i was contemplating Kral nemisis/space.

.25 caliber,

Mostly plinking, while hunting, bored easily. Gauntlet, Royale 400 with cheese, Impact, are my choices.

ROYALE WITH CHEESE!


Nice Pulp Fiction reference

[Wayne52]

I'd personally love to have one myself but it's above my pay grade right now, thing of it is you never know what you're going to get from anyone, a good example would be my Prod which never leaked for a couple years after I bought it but my Mrod leaked the day I got it.

[Mod90]

Well speaking as a previous FX owner,  FX guns aren't terrible,  they can actually quite good in the accuracy and reliability and weight departments. Where I find they tend to fall short is in the aspects of ruggedness and tolerance to abuse,  and they don't lend themselves to extremely high power setups very well. As an example,  I can make over 40 fpe in .177 with my BT65 rather easily. Trying to do that with most FX guns isn't as easy at all,  and if you're not careful a bent valve stem or smashed valve is a real possibility.

other than that,  nothing inherently wrong with getting an FX setup.

[Hobbyman2007]

If I was in the states I’d be all over this one https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=152082.0
It’s not an FX but sure is pretty.

[Pursang]

Where are you seeing all this negative about FX, because I'm not seeing it. I see a few negative comments from time to time, but I see that for all brands. Are you seeing it on this forum?

[Glem Chally]

Well speaking as a previous FX owner,  FX guns aren't terrible,  they can actually quite good in the accuracy and reliability and weight departments. Where I find they tend to fall short is in the aspects of ruggedness and tolerance to abuse,  and they don't lend themselves to extremely high power setups very well. As an example,  I can make over 40 fpe in .177 with my BT65 rather easily. Trying to do that with most FX guns isn't as easy at all,  and if you're not careful a bent valve stem or smashed valve is a real possibility.

other than that,  nothing inherently wrong with getting an FX setup.

I made 52fpe in .22 and 63 in .25 with the Royale, and 62 in .22 and 78 in .25 with the Boss.  15k plus shots and still on original parts, but as fx guns are regulated yes its easier to make big power out of unregulated but that sure has downsides too.

I think the valve seat problem mostly came with impacts when they were shot below 100 bar, havent heard of bent valvestems and fx maybe youre thinking of Kral?

Regardless valve seat and stem are probably 10$ together

[anti-squirrel]

I'll draw a parallel: the company I work for sells software we develop in-house.  It is the best product for what it does on the market, and I'm a member of the implementation and support/training team.  I'm also a vested owner.  We could sell the product far faster than we implement new customers on it... but we don't.  We focus on delivering quality in the product and quality on the end-user's training experience; IE: we slow down our own growth but at the same time we would rather put out a superlative product with customer service unmatched anywhere in the software industry.

I'm not saying FX should do that; what I am saying is a focus on quality is more important than a focus on sales volume.  When a vendor indicates volume must be met even at the cost of quality assurance, I'll redirect my business.

The Taipan Mutant is an example of a relatively expensive product that still manages to overdeliver even way above it's price-point.  You would be hard pressed to find 5 negative reviews on the Mutant- because they focus on delivering top-shelf quality, rather than volume.

[Glem Chally]

I'll draw a parallel: the company I work for sells software we develop in-house.  It is the best product for what it does on the market, and I'm a member of the implementation and support/training team.  I'm also a vested owner.  We could sell the product far faster than we implement new customers on it... but we don't.  We focus on delivering quality in the product and quality on the end-user's training experience; IE: we slow down our own growth but at the same time we would rather put out a superlative product with customer service unmatched anywhere in the software industry.

I'm not saying FX should do that; what I am saying is a focus on quality is more important than a focus on sales volume.  When a vendor indicates volume must be met even at the cost of quality assurance, I'll redirect my business.

The Taipan Mutant is an example of a relatively expensive product that still manages to overdeliver even way above it's price-point.  You would be hard pressed to find 5 negative reviews on the Mutant- because they focus on delivering top-shelf quality, rather than volume.

Excellent post and appreciate your input, agreed ive never seen anything bad about Taipan

[FPGT72]

No, FXs are not bad at all, and that's coming from a guy that simply does not like FX airguns.  There's people with agenda blasting them.  And yeah, for that price range, it should be flawless out of the box.  The Taipan Mutant, which costs less than most FX airguns, IS flawless out of the box, and you'll be hardpressed to find complaints about them. 

If your goal is hunting and traipsing around in the brush, there's plenty of other choices that cost less than FX.  If want something you can abuse and lose in the water, then ask yourself why you really want the FX Royale.  What makes it justifiable to risk damaging.  Do you really need a detachable bottle?  Will you ever really detach it?  Are you okay with sticking to just JSB pellets?  And would a simpler/cheaper FX in rifle-format meet the same need, such as the single-shot Typhoon, which is a simple, rugged design and can be purchased with a sythetic stock.

It may be worth writing down what you want in an airgun and then presenting it to members here to garner more input.  I know I was all-out on buying a PRod and ended up with a SPA PP700 pistol because it met all the requirements I wanted.

Not sure it is an "agenda" more likely people shell out $2k+ thinking they are going to get like you said flawless out of the box....with FX there is a very good chance you will not get that.