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Long time powder burner and hunter looking to get into PCP for the first time looking for 22 cal small game hunting, casual target, and plinking. I have had springers for years as well as multi-pump pneumatics. Always had a dislike for the more powerful springers, barrel droop, recoil etc. As I have access to high pressure fill stations I do not know why I have not jumped into this already.
So recommendations for first PCP rifle please
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There's really some nice pcp's out there these days for that price! My latest acquisition is a Varmint in .22 and it's definitely hunting worthy, I also have the Maruader in .25 which really slings some heavier pellets for hunting as well, I've got the Marauder pistol which I've also got setup for hunting and more. There's quite a wide range of pcp airguns to chose from these days. I've even been hunting with my Airmax pistol which is a .22 and with great results.
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Mrod air seems like really good prices I could but more than one for my budget, but what about quality?
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I would go with Wayne on the .25 Marauder......and for just a little more over your total budget pick up a .22 Marauder pistol/carbine(PRod).
The Marauder rifles are super accurate, but very heavy, so its great for bench shooting or hunting off a bipod or shooting stick. The Prod is super lightweight and compact, but still packs enough power to easily take down squirrels. Wayne can attest the effectiveness of pesting with a PRod.
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I'm heading out to the state land right now with my Varmint, I'll be using the Beeman 21.14 grain pellets today for hopefully some long shots on a ground hog again.
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I would go with Wayne on the .25 Marauder......and for just a little more over your total budget pick up a .22 Marauder pistol/carbine(PRod).
The Marauder rifles are super accurate, but very heavy, so its great for bench shooting or hunting off a bipod or shooting stick. The Prod is super lightweight and compact, but still packs enough power to easily take down squirrels. Wayne can attest the effectiveness of pesting with a PRod.
Also, if you don't mind the tactical look of a bullpup design, i'd highly recommend the Hatsan Bullboss in (.25). This thing is compact, accurate and a beast in the power department.
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Even with access to HPA
Leave some budget for a tank unless your HPA source goes with you everywhere you shoot.
Tanks can be very expensive.
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Marauder .25 is an excellent choice and you could still have enough for a tank. seen some good prices out there, almost got one myself but I had to restrain from it.
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Marauder .25 through crosman with AGNATION promo code is 473.19 with tax and shipping.
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I would strongly suggest looking here. https://hatsanusa.com/collections/parts-and-refurb-buys (https://hatsanusa.com/collections/parts-and-refurb-buys)
You'll find plenty of very good rifles very well within your price range. Not sure exactly what you are looking for but a .22 Nova would fit the bill based on what your looking for quite well. Every one that has one seems to love them. Mrod and Hatsan for a first PCP are common recommendations among the forums with the general consensus that Hatsans are a bit more capable out of the box in terms of FPE.
I would say, don't make the same mistake I did and buy lower than your expectations first. You'll blow a lot of money getting what you want in the process. Fun journey but pricey.
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Its funny when someone wants best pcp advice for a .22 and everyone gives .25 cal suggestions ;D For under $700 and .22 I would look at BSA scorpion se.
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BSA Scorpions can be found for $700 and lower under Amazon's price swings. Very nice rifles.
Taso
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I would have suggested the .25 cal Marauder too, but you want a .22 cal. I will still highly recommend a .22 cal Marauder with a synthetic stock which is one pound lighter than the wood stock version at 7lbs without a scope. After picking up and handling many guns at my first fun shoot recently, the .22 or .25 cal synthetic Marauders aren't heavier than many other guns at all IMO. In fact, they are about the same or even slightly lighter than a lot of them in the same size. Just put on a light scope and sling to keep the weight down.
Although it is likely you will get a good .22 cal Marauder stock barrel for accurate groups out to 30 yards, I would go ahead and order the $210 Marmot Militia Hammer Forged barrel that is drop in ready for the .22. You will then have a gun that is extremely accurate short or long range. I won the GTA 50-yard fun shoot competition with mine this year against many different expensive guns. It was probably just luck, but I can't stress what an awesome gun you will have if you go this route with the .22 Synrod. It will be hard to beat for the money spent. It is a big gun, but I don't find it to be excessively so. If you do want a lighter shorter gun though, I would keep looking but be aware the prices go up and the shot count usually goes down with lighter guns.
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Its funny when someone wants best pcp advice for a .22 and everyone gives .25 cal suggestions ;D For under $700 and .22 I would look at BSA scorpion se.
subliminal messaging? ;D
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Prod
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Contour G6
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Marauder .25 through crosman with AGNATION promo code is 473.19 with tax and shipping.
When purchased from where??
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I have 2 .25 Mrods/Synrods and a .177 BSA Buccaneer...I like buying American and from closer allies... on top of how I feel about who my dollars support there is the practical reason... parts availability... that worries me with the Turkish and Russian rifles and some with the Chinese rifles...
Crosman/Benjamin parts and customer service are tops... BSA/Gamo well there will be parts thru Knibbs I am pretty sure but a touch more $...
There also are more aftermarket parts for Benji/Crosman than other brands...
Not that I would not get say an Mrodair M10 at a bargan price at all but 10 years down the road I may need to have say a exhaust poppet chances are I would have to have one made...
My first Mrod .25 was 450$ and was my first PCP I wanted a pure hunter and was not at all worried about shot count or how much pellets cost... I planned on getting a second to experiment with (.22lr and .22 mag barrels with cast rounds)and did when a sale happened and got it for $373...But before I picked that one up I could not resist the Buc on sale for $277...
The last two are thanks to the enablers here... they love posting to the Bargain gate... Right now I am hoping about a killer price on a .177 Maximus... and a Maxi .22 barrel and bolt will change it to .22 for less than $30...
I have been looking at the Gamo urban a bit lately Just because it is a lighter 3300 psi fill .22 and BSA barrels are rock solid...it does have a smaller tank at 105cc but such is the price of nimbleness... speaking of price it is currently $269 at wally world... Daughter just got married or I might have put one on the CC...
Right now in .177 I think the Maximus is King of the low buck rifles... but if single shot bothers you.. Lots of good reports on accuracy and if you are not going for larger game shot placement is king and a hit with a .177 will do for most small game...
So yeah define what you want to do with it really well... plinking and fun favors a .177 hunting longer range favors .22 and .25...
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Wow so many, it is hard to narrow it down Mrod and Prod are high on the list that Contour G6 looks like a nice rifle
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Long time powder burner and hunter looking to get into PCP for the first time looking for 22 cal small game hunting, casual target, and plinking. I have had springers for years as well as multi-pump pneumatics. Always had a dislike for the more powerful springers, barrel droop, recoil etc. As I have access to high pressure fill stations I do not know why I have not jumped into this already.
So recommendations for first PCP rifle please
Ive tested many and my criteria was weight under 8 pounds or they get too heavy to carry.
Decent shot count 25 or more
.22 cal as ammo is usually cheap and easy to find.
Accurate.
Quite so can shoot indoors if need.
Ill just make a list on price
799.00 - brocock compatto it was $1000 now at a better price and fires
45 shots accurate good weight and has a built in silencer which many dont have
That is worth 150.00
630.00 - bsa scorpion se- very nice quality
Gun but is loud out of the box.
500.00 maurader or maybe hatson at44
200.00 benjamin maximus. Single shot
But very light and accurate.
In my opinion i think the compatto is the best as it has
All the features right out of the box.
500 and under the fit n finish is a step down
But they shhot well. Keep the weight 7-8 pounds if u plan to hunt.
The scorpion is very nice if you can get one under 650
For 1k the daystate regal xl does not have much competition.
Id go scorpion or brocock compatto it has the harper
Sling shot valve so will be very effecient on air.
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There's so many different options to think about it might be worth figuring out what you're looking for. By that I mean:
1: what's your budget including a tank?
2: cost of magazines?
3: regulated or non-regulated?
4: integrated shroud or aftermarket LDC (another add-on cost)
5: adjustable power lever/switch?
6: fill pressure (2900 psi, 3K, 220 bar/3350psi, or even 300 bar)
7: wood stock, synthetic? Beech or Walnut?
8: what's your budget for optics? Is it included?
9: aftermarket goodies?
10: customer support in case of breakage?
Once you have these figured out, make a spreadsheet and grade each model that appeals to you... highest points wins. This method will never let you down. Otherwise, just go with gut feeling and hopefully you'll be thrilled.
I've been mulling these exact criteria for well over a year and my list includes the following: Cometa Orion, SPA M10/M22/M16, BSA Buccaneer/Gamo Coyote, MRod, AA410, Xisico Sentry
Currently, the SPA rifles, Cometa, and BSA/Gamo guns are right there. Everything else takes an "also ran" status. Since I hand pump my PCPs, I have no desire for a gun requiring a very high fill pressure or has a large reservoir. Since I've done extensive hiking using packs weighing a bolt-load more than a rifle, weight is less of an issue.... Plus I've hunted with my Hatsan 95QE without a sling and it's not exactly a lightweight. Weight to me is the least important issue, as a heavy but well-balanced gun is easy to carry and shoulder where a lighter but unevenly balanced gun can be a real chore. And, if I had to make a snap decision right this second, the BSA Buccaneer or SPA M16 would be what I buy. Tomorrow, it might be the Cometa Orion or Gamo Coyote. And...
You can't go wrong with a BSA barrel. Both the Gamo Coyote and BSA Buccaneer have BSA barrels... and you can buy them incredibly cheap at Aceros-de-Hispania.
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Marauder .25 through crosman with AGNATION promo code is 473.19 with tax and shipping.
When purchased from where??
Directly from Crosman. http://www.crosman.com/ (http://www.crosman.com/)
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Wow so many, it is hard to narrow it down Mrod and Prod are high on the list that Contour G6 looks like a nice rifle
Some of my PRod pics for temptation purposes ;D
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Yes AntiSquirrel makes good points. Getting the gun is the tip of the iceberg.
Gun - $700
4500 psi carbon tank 550.00 new
Scope and mounts - 100.00 to ?? depends on you. $130.00 Hawke 4-12x is good bang for the buck for a PCP.
If you plan to pump it up by hand. Get a 2000 psi fill gun like a Benjamin Maximus. The higher end PCPs are 2900-3200 psi fill and its gets very old pumping one of those. Some do it, not me, I lasted 1 week with a hand pump and bought a tank.
For me I wanted decent shot count and cheap ammo. .22 caliber fits the bill. .25 caliber ammo cost more and less plentiful.
Shoot for 25-30 FPE gun for .22. If you go .25 or .30 its the point of diminishing returns. You use more air, more money on ammo and usually need a bigger tank on the gun to get the same shot count as a 27 fpe .22.
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With the Marauder line, you'll be fine with a typical 3000psi aluminum scuba tank. I got mine, brand new 80cf, off Amazon for about $160shipped. Dive shops have used ones, regularly, for sub $100.
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Lots of great info on this post.
I am in the same position for a first pcp and I am confident I'm going to get a marauder but I have concerns about both the 22 and 25 and can't seem to make a decision. I can't say for sure if I'm going to be mainly hunting or plinking with this gun hopefully both.
The issue with the .22 for me is the problems with the barrel in the past and possibly getting a bad one. I love the versatility of the .22 though.
My main hang up with the .25 is the shots per fill. The accuracy and extra power would be nice I hear it's great. I am for sure going to be filling either of these guns with a 4500 psi tank. Since I'm using a tank maybe the shots per fill aren't as big as deal but I'm just not sure if I'll be shooting this gun for target practice a ton or just hunting. Shooting at my house is only about 16 yards and wit either of these guns that might get boring quick. It's when I go to our cabin is when I shoot at longer distances and hunt more.
Am I exaggerating either of these points regarding the 22 barrel or the .25 cal shots per fill? Looking forward to hearing from you more experienced pcp owners
Thanks
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With the Marauder line, you'll be fine with a typical 3000psi aluminum scuba tank. I got mine, brand new 80cf, off Amazon for about $160shipped. Dive shops have used ones, regularly, for sub $100.
How many shots do you get from a maurader filling it to only 2600 psi? How many fills do you get from a scuba tank. I know you can put 2000psi in the gun and stiff shoot it but wont get many shots. 3000 psi to 2500 psi before you refill the scuba?
I fill to 3200 usually and my tank needs to be at least 100 psi over that to open the valve. So if I had a 3000 psi scuba tank that is what I consider empty. Then I can fill my maximus from 3000 psi down to 2000 psi (like 80 times).
That scuba option is great for the Maximus (2000 psi gun) but might be ok with maurader if you under-fill it to 2600. But you can underfil any gun. Thing is they don't usually list how many shots you get starting from a under-fill. Makes it harder to compare the guns.
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There's no more fun or versatile rifle out there then a Sumatra carbine,
under 600 bucks from Pyramyd after 10% discount so enough left to buy a LDC.
the external power wheel can be taken to minimum and you have a ton of plinking shots with even the cheap 14.3gr pellets ( this gun shoots just about everything well )
, Small game hunting ? .....power up a bit, pick your favorite hollowpoint and lay waste :) :)
I little bigger tougher game ? ....up the power a bit, pick the appropriate pellet and show them who's boss :)
One day you wanna go for real big tough game like a big boar hog ?
.....MAX the power, get the heavy pellets and be confident of your coming success.
Is the Sumatra the best or more refined PCP out there ?....Course not, but it's a proven, reliable, rugged gun and is unmatched in the wide spectrum it's able to cover.
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There's no more fun or versatile rifle out there then a Sumatra carbine,
under 600 bucks from Pyramyd after 10% discount so enough left to buy a LDC.
the external power wheel can be taken to minimum and you have a ton of plinking shots with even the cheap 14.3gr pellets ( this gun shoots just about everything well, Small game hunting ? .....power up a bit, pick your favorite hollowpoint and lay waste :) :)
I little bigger tougher game ? ....up the power a bit, pick the appropriate pellet and show them who's boss :)
One day you wanna go for real big tough game like a big boar hog ?
.....MAX the power, get the heavy pellets and be confident of your coming success.
Is the Sumatra the best or more refined PCP out there ?....Course not, but it's a proven, reliable, rugged gun and is unmatched in the wide spectrum it's able to cover.
I agree and its often overlooked.
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Plinking in the back yard with a .25 not me... I limit myself to about 12 fpe out of respect for the safety aspect of things... and that is .22 and .177...
Shot per fill with a stock Mrod .25 is not it's strong suit... Mine are turned up to near 50 fpe... I send 8-10 25.4g Kings out from 3000 psi down to about 2500 psi and then it is about 40 pumps back to 3000 psi... gives a nice tight extreme velocity spread which is important to longer distance accuracy... can be turned down or modded ($) for shot count tho...
My BSA Buc is un-moderated and about 20fpe with 10.3 grain so it is to much for back yard use also... but it can be tuned down also and is threaded for a moderator/shroud if I so wish... But I like the way it sends the heavy 13g-16g pellets with a 3300psi fill so the tune will stay as is...
I can send the 10.3 CPUM and JSB/AA with a lower 2200-2500 psi starting fill... 7.9g Benji work well down at a 1800 psi fill... There are no easy adjustments other than fill pressure... the Mrod does have adjust-ability for hammer spring preload and hammer travel...
Me I just find the sweet spot for each pellet with the Buc send a mag 10 rounds and refill just like the Mrod... may bother some but not me...
there is a reg for it I think Ribbonstone is having one installed in his...
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xraycer
nice looking setup
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With the Marauder line, you'll be fine with a typical 3000psi aluminum scuba tank. I got mine, brand new 80cf, off Amazon for about $160shipped. Dive shops have used ones, regularly, for sub $100.
How many shots do you get from a maurader filling it to only 2600 psi? How many fills do you get from a scuba tank. I know you can put 2000psi in the gun and stiff shoot it but wont get many shots. 3000 psi to 2500 psi before you refill the scuba?
I fill to 3200 usually and my tank needs to be at least 100 psi over that to open the valve. So if I had a 3000 psi scuba tank that is what I consider empty. Then I can fill my maximus from 3000 psi down to 2000 psi (like 80 times).
That scuba option is great for the Maximus (2000 psi gun) but might be ok with maurader if you under-fill it to 2600. But you can underfil any gun. Thing is they don't usually list how many shots you get starting from a under-fill. Makes it harder to compare the guns.
I think I can get about 25 full fills with the Marauder and 40 with PRod.
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xraycer
nice looking setup
Thanks, Keith! I absolutely love my PRod. I shoot at the very least 1 magazine(9shots) per day.....and if the kids and wife don't track me down, I can get even more ;D
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Lots of great info on this post.
I am in the same position for a first pcp and I am confident I'm going to get a marauder but I have concerns about both the 22 and 25 and can't seem to make a decision. I can't say for sure if I'm going to be mainly hunting or plinking with this gun hopefully both.
The issue with the .22 for me is the problems with the barrel in the past and possibly getting a bad one. I love the versatility of the .22 though.
My main hang up with the .25 is the shots per fill. The accuracy and extra power would be nice I hear it's great. I am for sure going to be filling either of these guns with a 4500 psi tank. Since I'm using a tank maybe the shots per fill aren't as big as deal but I'm just not sure if I'll be shooting this gun for target practice a ton or just hunting. Shooting at my house is only about 16 yards and wit either of these guns that might get boring quick. It's when I go to our cabin is when I shoot at longer distances and hunt more.
Am I exaggerating either of these points regarding the 22 barrel or the .25 cal shots per fill? Looking forward to hearing from you more experienced pcp owners
Thanks
I recently got a buddy in PCPs and he owns like 50 guns, pistols, shotguns, rifles etc.
In just a few months he has shot the PCP more than he has shot any of his guns in 10 years. Be prepared to shoot a ton of pellets, more than you think you will. I would go for .22. But the .25 mauraders use to have better barrels. I thought that was fixed.
I have a .22 maximus with the new barrel and its crazy how accurate it is at 30 yards for only 183.00. So if the new Mauraders have that barrel its going to be good.
Having a high shot count is nice. My Daystate at 15 yards can shoot 73 shots and no change POI. Its more like 45 shots at 40 yards. When I shoot the brocock its loosing juice at maybe 36 shots (which seems like alot) but not when you are use to more. Everytime you fill the gun you waste air bleeding it off. So you want a gun with a decent shot count because it will save you air because you will be filling it maybe 50 percent less and bleeding air less. You won't realize that until you have had the gun awhile.
Some guys are filing their guns 3 times before I've filled once with my Regal Xl. I'd like 80 shots but don't want to get a big bottle heavy bench gun. Ok twist my arm I might get one.
I'm a little confused on out of the box shot count on the marauder. They list it as 16 shots, but then pyramid air says it can do up to 32. Maybe they are putting in a antibounce device now.
I would try to find a gun that can do minimum 25 shots at 25-30 fpe in .22.
If you like to tinker I think the Maurader is the way to go. Tons of people have them, many will help you with anything you need. Parts are available, modifications etc.
I looked at a few reviews and the compatto is only like 30 shots not 45, maybe 45 on low power setting.
Scorpion SE is around 30 shots, shoots jsb 16s at 850ish fps. Add a TKO moderator and maybe $725.00
The maurader is pretty quite as is, and sub 500.00. Pretty decent gun to wet your feet in PCP world.
A few reviews to confuse you more :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IvlyjSoZIg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IvlyjSoZIg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRAgqfwp8Q0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRAgqfwp8Q0)
Brocock Compatto .22 With Huggett
http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/precharged-pcp/brocock-compatto-.22-with-huggett/ (http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/precharged-pcp/brocock-compatto-.22-with-huggett/)
http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/brocock-compatto-22-review/ (http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/brocock-compatto-22-review/)
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Keith,
An Air Arms S200 Hunter in .22 would be a nice compact and light rifle if that is what you're looking for. Per Pyramyd Air it's 20 fpe and about 25 shots. It also has the renowned CZ barrel.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-arms-s400-mpr-ft-poplar-stock?m=2225 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-arms-s400-mpr-ft-poplar-stock?m=2225)
I wish it was a little cheaper though. ;)
Taso
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Man you guys are giving me a lot to research and absorb.
What can I say you guys are awesome.
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Thing is we have been there.
So getting set up in the first place is when you spend the most after that, not bad.
UNTIL YOU START JONESING FOR THAT NEXT GREAT GUN. :)
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Here is my 2 cents...best bang for your buck? .25 cal marauder HANDS DOWN
For under 600$ you can get that thing shooting WELL better than any other proposed option, IMHO...
My .25 marauder can put pellet on top of pellet from as LOW as 12 fpe, upwards of 60 FPE...
12 fpe = WELL over 100 shots with only 1000 psi used
18 FPE = WELL over 80 shots (10 clips) with only 1000 psi used
30 fpe = WELL over 56 shots (7 clips) with only 1000 psi used
40 fpe = Easily 40 shots (5 clips) with only 1200~ psi used
50-53 FPE = 32 shots
60 FPE = 16 shots easily obtainable, 24 if FINELY tuned...
Again this is just another voice in your ear to persuade you into the wonderful world of .25 cal marauders.
I can plink in my backyard all day with the 12 fpe or 18 fpe setting and the gun is EXTREMELY quiet on this setting.
I can swap my ssg in under 2 minutes with any other tune and take out game as big as coyotes/fox and even hogs with 50 fpe + setting. Let me see a .22 cal do that...
I could even tune this same rifle for 70 fpe (increased set point + heavier grain/43 eun jin), albeit shot count would suffer extremely, the point is .25 caliber is VERY versatile and can be used effectively even at 12-18 FPE. There are months I don't do anymore than shoot paper + small pest birds/mice @ 12-18 fpe, and times where I swap ssg's in 2 min and confidently go out hunting with 40-50+ fpe.
To boot the kill zone is SOOO much larger on a .25 cal, sure well placed .22 cal shots will suffice but a .25 cal just does the job better, every time. This was my INITIAL reasoning behind getting .25 cal over .22....I wanted to be able to take longer ranged shots more humanely, because as accurate as these rifles are, we humans make plenty of mistakes, holding on a wrong mil dot or ranged incorrectly or doping wind wrong ect...GL whatever you choose. Below is an example pic of the differences in kill zone on a woodchuck with the different calibers.
(https://image.ibb.co/fZuShv/imag029_zps069f8164.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
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If your interested in tactical looking with the heart of the Mrod, I would recommend the Armada. I have one in .22 and love it. I think I saw in another thread today Amazon has em on special as one of their prime day specials. Crosman coupon code already mentioned and free shipping Fridays at Crosman is how I got mine. Mine has a Hill LDC and depinger -it is crazy quiet.
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How about a Talon SS. Perfect for hunting and plinking. If you want more power just get a longer barrel. Want more power just add the condor tank. If you want more power make it a .25. The .22 Talon SS is quiet and you get over 50 shots on a fill.
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There's no more fun or versatile rifle out there then a Sumatra carbine,
under 600 bucks from Pyramyd after 10% discount so enough left to buy a LDC.
the external power wheel can be taken to minimum and you have a ton of plinking shots with even the cheap 14.3gr pellets ( this gun shoots just about everything well )
, Small game hunting ? .....power up a bit, pick your favorite hollowpoint and lay waste :) :)
I little bigger tougher game ? ....up the power a bit, pick the appropriate pellet and show them who's boss :)
One day you wanna go for real big tough game like a big boar hog ?
.....MAX the power, get the heavy pellets and be confident of your coming success.
Is the Sumatra the best or more refined PCP out there ?....Course not, but it's a proven, reliable, rugged gun and is unmatched in the wide spectrum it's able to cover.
Manny makes a really good point here. The Sumatra is a real beast but can also be dialed down for plinking. Every time one shows up on the Classified here it's gone quick. It has amazing flexibility, and it also looks really nice. That they are decidedly unpicky when it comes to pellets makes them superbly useful. Wadcutters for paper, heavy-weight domes for dinner.
They definitely benefit from an LDC, but their magazines are simple and IIRC, they take any pellet length with ease.
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There's no more fun or versatile rifle out there then a Sumatra carbine,
under 600 bucks from Pyramyd after 10% discount so enough left to buy a LDC.
the external power wheel can be taken to minimum and you have a ton of plinking shots with even the cheap 14.3gr pellets ( this gun shoots just about everything well )
, Small game hunting ? .....power up a bit, pick your favorite hollowpoint and lay waste :) :)
I little bigger tougher game ? ....up the power a bit, pick the appropriate pellet and show them who's boss :)
One day you wanna go for real big tough game like a big boar hog ?
.....MAX the power, get the heavy pellets and be confident of your coming success.
Is the Sumatra the best or more refined PCP out there ?....Course not, but it's a proven, reliable, rugged gun and is unmatched in the wide spectrum it's able to cover.
Manny makes a really good point here. The Sumatra is a real beast but can also be dialed down for plinking. Every time one shows up on the Classified here it's gone quick. It has amazing flexibility, and it also looks really nice. That they are decidedly unpicky when it comes to pellets makes them superbly useful. Wadcutters for paper, heavy-weight domes for dinner.
They definitely benefit from an LDC, but their magazines are simple and IIRC, they take any pellet length with ease.
Correct, the very solid/nothing to break simple magazines will take any pellet or bullet out there, .....if I can't sell my .22 pellet lot I will eventually get me a Sumatra .22 ( so I can use those darn pellets :) :) )
and I will be very curious to see how well the new JSB 34gr shoot out a Sumara .22 at full power.
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WOW! What an interesting read ... so many questions, so many details, so many different views, opinions, calibers, possibilities, variations ....
I think I'll just buy a slingshot!
LOL
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I will be very curious to see how well the new JSB 34gr shoot out a Sumara .22 at full power.
Hey Manny, they work great in my Sumatra.... better than the eunjin's for accuracy.
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WOW! What an interesting read ... so many questions, so many details, so many different views, opinions, calibers, possibilities, variations ....
I think I'll just buy a slingshot!
LOL
454 Cal round balls work great in my slingshot, I cast them myself, lot's of punch......
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Wow so many, it is hard to narrow it down
Every air gun in my signature line cost less than $700, except the HW110, which was $900, including shipping..
Yep, LOTS of choices in your budget range, lol..
If it were my first PCP, and I could do it over again, I'd get the Urban if I wanted to save cash, but for sure I'd get the HW110 if I didn't mind spending up into a first-class shooter...
Good luck, the fun starts now..
Chickie
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Here is my 2 cents...best bang for your buck? .25 cal marauder HANDS DOWN
For under 600$ you can get that thing shooting WELL better than any other proposed option, IMHO...
My .25 marauder can put pellet on top of pellet from as LOW as 12 fpe, upwards of 60 FPE...
12 fpe = WELL over 100 shots with only 1000 psi used
18 FPE = WELL over 80 shots (10 clips) with only 1000 psi used
30 fpe = WELL over 56 shots (7 clips) with only 1000 psi used
40 fpe = Easily 40 shots (5 clips) with only 1200~ psi used
50-53 FPE = 32 shots
60 FPE = 16 shots easily obtainable, 24 if FINELY tuned...
Again this is just another voice in your ear to persuade you into the wonderful world of .25 cal marauders.
I can plink in my backyard all day with the 12 fpe or 18 fpe setting and the gun is EXTREMELY quiet on this setting.
I can swap my ssg in under 2 minutes with any other tune and take out game as big as coyotes/fox and even hogs with 50 fpe + setting. Let me see a .22 cal do that...
I could even tune this same rifle for 70 fpe (increased set point + heavier grain/43 eun jin), albeit shot count would suffer extremely, the point is .25 caliber is VERY versatile and can be used effectively even at 12-18 FPE. There are months I don't do anymore than shoot paper + small pest birds/mice @ 12-18 fpe, and times where I swap ssg's in 2 min and confidently go out hunting with 40-50+ fpe.
Nice! Looks like a super versatile gun you have. So you added 150.00 of modifications over stock? I've not read much on that SSG, is it home made or something of a kit that a new marauder owner can simply purchase and plug n play?
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I will be very curious to see how well the new JSB 34gr shoot out a Sumara .22 at full power.
Hey Manny, they work great in my Sumatra.... better than the eunjin's for accuracy.
Cool, if I'm not able to sell That .22 pellets lot I'll be forced to buy me a Sumatra carbine in .22 cal :) :) :)
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Sumatra carbine.
Variable power
Lightweight, 6lbs
Falls into your price range.
Shoots just about everything accurately, pellets & slugs.
Fool proof, solid made, inexpensive magazines. ($12.50)
You will need an LDC if you want it to be stealthy/backyard friendly.
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Sumatra carbine.
Variable power
Lightweight, 6lbs
Falls into your price range.
Shoots just about everything accurately, pellets & slugs.
Fool proof, solid made, inexpensive magazines. ($12.50)
You will need an LDC if you want it to be stealthy/backyard friendly.
Recommended LDC for this rifle?
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This post is great, I am researching guns and things I have never heard of. Someone should post a sticky of PCP nomenclature
I read a thread (= research) and repeat again and again and again :). So many choices my head is spinning (that's a good thing).
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My latest purchase is the Airmax Varmint, I really am liking this gun a lot!!! I'm not what some call a plinker or paper puncher either so shot count isn't real critical to me. First blood for my Varmint was a ground hog at 40 yards. The fit and finish on this gun is really nice, extremely accuarate with a scope and very inexpensive. Sure it is made in China but don't let that fool ya, the Snow Peak factory is producing some really nice airguns for as inexpensive as they are. My Varmint does 30fpe right out of the box with the heavier pellets.
I ordered mine on the 4th of July and had it in my hands on the 9th.
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My latest purchase is the Airmax Varmint, I really am liking this gun a lot!!! I'm not what some call a plinker or paper puncher either so shot count isn't real critical to me. First blood for my Varmint was a ground hog at 40 yards. The fit and finish on this gun is really nice, extremely accuarate with a scope and very inexpensive. Sure it is made in China but don't let that fool ya, the Snow Peak factory is producing some really nice airguns for as inexpensive as they are. My Varmint does 30fpe right out of the box with the heavier pellets.
I ordered mine on the 4th of July and had it in my hands on the 9th.
Who did you order from ? I have heard mixed things about some dealers
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Keith I ordered mine from Mrodair, I know there's a lot of guys that were really disgruntled when Mike had the preorder deal on both the M10 and Airmax MKII, in reality they were a slow boat from China preorder that took forever to get here but I'll still continue to deal with him, he's got great deals on the guns he sells and if he has them in stock he ships them pronto. Right now people are getting the Varmint within 5 to 7 days after ordering. He's not what you call a really big dealer but I think he's trying hard to keep up with the orders now.
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Sumatra carbine.
Variable power
Lightweight, 6lbs
Falls into your price range.
Shoots just about everything accurately, pellets & slugs.
Fool proof, solid made, inexpensive magazines. ($12.50)
You will need an LDC if you want it to be stealthy/backyard friendly.
Recommended LDC for this rifle?
Neil Clague in my Opinion makes the best LDCs in the market, neilclague@comcast.net
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Sumatra carbine.
Variable power
Lightweight, 6lbs
Falls into your price range.
Shoots just about everything accurately, pellets & slugs.
Fool proof, solid made, inexpensive magazines. ($12.50)
You will need an LDC if you want it to be stealthy/backyard friendly.
Recommended LDC for this rifle?
Neil Clague in my Opinion makes the best LDCs in the market, neilclague@comcast.net
I have one of his LDC's on my Ultimate Sporter, fantastic product!
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Just when I think I know which way I am going a option pops up
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Just when I think I know which way I am going a option pops up
Just pick one.............chances are, you'll be getting more.............tread carefully, you're at the slippery entrance of the rabbit hole ;)
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Just when I think I know which way I am going a option pops up
This is the true essence and beauty of air guns, Keith, lol..
With sooo many cool options, one get's to pull from one's own imagination and start creating an experience that say's 'you' all over it. We are sooo lucky to have seen prices drop so low on PCPs, with all manner of new guns hitting the market every month, way cool, no?
There really isn't a 'wrong' way to go, maybe 'better' for one reason, but 'worse' for another. The constant analysis is a constant in serious airgunning, we analyze deals, options, ammo, modifications, shooting scenarios, you name it, and an airgunner is crunching the numbers, and looking for more efficiency, or something this, or something that..
It is all up to you to decide! Enjoy the ride!!
:-) Chickie
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Just when I think I know which way I am going a option pops up
This is the true essence and beauty of air guns, Keith, lol..
With sooo many cool options, one get's to pull from one's own imagination and start creating an experience that say's 'you' all over it. We are sooo lucky to have seen prices drop so low on PCPs, with all manner of new guns hitting the market every month, way cool, no?
There really isn't a 'wrong' way to go, maybe 'better' for one reason, but 'worse' for another. The constant analysis is a constant in serious airgunning, we analyze deals, options, ammo, modifications, shooting scenarios, you name it, and an airgunner is crunching the numbers, and looking for more efficiency, or something this, or something that..
It is all up to you to decide! Enjoy the ride!!
:-) Chickie
Chickie
from your sig. you seem a tad addicted ;D
Keith
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Chickie
from your sig. you seem a tad addicted ;D
I'm certain with that arsenal, the FBI has her red flagged
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Chickie
from your sig. you seem a tad addicted ;D
I'm certain with that arsenal, the FBI has her red flagged
Nah, there's way bigger fish on this forum. Their sig's are pages long and won't fit! ;D
Taso
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That Varmint probably really is the best bang for the buck.
I mean two bills for for a lightweight classic looking 25 fpe sporter carbine, WITH 3 mags?
Probably a bit much for backyard. But you could add the CO2 version Plinkster for another $130, or even a .177 Synrod for about $400 and still be under $700.
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Chickie
from your sig. you seem a tad addicted ;D
I'm certain with that arsenal, the FBI has her red flagged
I hardly think so, hun, lol. 8)
Everything on that sig was purchased legally and legal to be purchased, so no worries there.
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My only concern with the Varmint is the up and down in velocity and that it only seems to deliver 10 shots within 4% of ES, from the chrony strings I have been seeing. If I am wrong please correct me...
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Chickie
from your sig. you seem a tad addicted ;D
I'm certain with that arsenal, the FBI has her red flagged
I hardly think so, hun, lol. 8)
Everything on that sig was purchased legally and legal to be purchased, so no worries there.
The implication is that you're red flagged as a possible domestic terrorist threat, not a thief ;)
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Dinh,
Geez! I think being a thief would be better than "a possible domestic terrorist threat" ;D
Just saying...
Taso
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wha..? oh I know...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i98QrSSHxo4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i98QrSSHxo4)
;)
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Sumatra carbine.
Variable power
Lightweight, 6lbs
Falls into your price range.
Shoots just about everything accurately, pellets & slugs.
Fool proof, solid made, inexpensive magazines. ($12.50)
You will need an LDC if you want it to be stealthy/backyard friendly.
Recommended LDC for this rifle?
I have a Roy Kasten LDC on my carbine.
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Dinh,
Geez! I think being a thief would be better than "a possible domestic terrorist threat" ;D
Just saying...
Taso
IDK, Taso. A theif just sounds pathetic, whereas a threat is dangerous in cool way 8)
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wha..? oh I know...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i98QrSSHxo4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i98QrSSHxo4)
;)
A classic!
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Dinh,
Geez! I think being a thief would be better than "a possible domestic terrorist threat" ;D
Just saying...
Taso
IDK, Taso. A theif just sounds pathetic, whereas a threat is dangerous in cool way 8)
Lol, it's only "cool" until you get caught. I'm pretty sure one is basically a slap on the wrist and the other is an all inclusive trip to a federal penitentiary. ;)
I'm just playing but I wouldn't want either to be honest. ;D
Taso
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We are getting a little off track, but it did give me some time to investigate the suggestions given so far. I have now set my budget at $1000 for gun, tank, hand pump (??), and misc.
Scopes I have from other weapons can be used initially.
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I have now set my budget at $1000 for gun, tank, hand pump (??), and misc.
Scopes I have from other weapons can be used initially.
Mhmm...
Looove to see the budget growing like this, ha ha, this is a very good sign!! ;)
Best of luck!!!
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We are getting a little off track, but it did give me some time to investigate the suggestions given so far. I have now set my budget at $1000 for gun, tank, hand pump (??), and misc.
Scopes I have from other weapons can be used initially.
With Amazon and EBay selling hand pumps, for a bargain, at around $60 shipped, this is something you want to have handy even if you have a tank.
If you decide on a gun that goes over 3000psi, you're going to need a 4500psi tank which will be around $500-$700 new, or you can buy old, used ones off Ebay for sub $200. With a gun that goes to 3000psi, you can stay with the much cheaper, readily available aluminum scuba tank.
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We are getting a little off track, but it did give me some time to investigate the suggestions given so far. I have now set my budget at $1000 for gun, tank, hand pump (??), and misc.
Scopes I have from other weapons can be used initially.
With Amazon and EBay selling hand pumps, for a bargain, at around $60 shipped, this is something you want to have handy even if you have a tank.
Keith,
Xraycer makes a very good point! I am using a Benjamin hand pump to fill all my PCPS, and it is not a huge problem doing it by hand, some guns are pretty easy to pump and keep full. I usually re-pump after a mag or two, no worries.
But before I start extensive tuning and modding on my new guns or buy an air-hog big bore, or anything that needs a 300 bar, lol, I will get a tank, or two. Once I get tired of hauling the tank(s) for filling, I am sure I'll be pricing compressors, lol..
But, the fact is, most times, a hand pump is all I need. Hope this helps.
8) Chickie
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A bug in your ear...The Marauder is a perfect starter gun than you can really grow with. It is so versatile and has tons of Crosman and forum support due to thousands sold. It is easy to get cheap replacement parts for (which all guns will need eventually). Only $4 shipping from Crosman and lots of other places to get parts for it too. Very easy to work on and can be modded to make it your own with lots of aftermarket parts or, DIY mods on the cheap. Everyone should have at least one in their arsenal because of these facts along with the fact that it has one of the best triggers of any airgun available that many consider match grade or at least close to it and is fully adjustable on both the 1st and 2nd stages along with the pull weight for real customization per user. It is hard to be accurate with a heavy trigger.
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This is one of those deals where spending more $ actually saves you money. I started out buying cheap in a false sense of saving money. If I would go back & add up all the money I spent "going cheap" I really spent a lot more than I would have If I would have bought good stuff to begin with. You will end up in the same place any way. But, it was a fun ride & I learned a lot along the way. PCP's have come a long way lately & even the more inexpensive ones are pretty good.
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We are getting a little off track, but it did give me some time to investigate the suggestions given so far. I have now set my budget at $1000 for gun, tank, hand pump (??), and misc.
Scopes I have from other weapons can be used initially.
With Amazon and EBay selling hand pumps, for a bargain, at around $60 shipped, this is something you want to have handy even if you have a tank.
Xraycer makes a very good point! I am using a Benjamin hand pump to fill all my PCPS, and it is not a huge problem doing it by hand, some guns are pretty easy to pump and keep full. I usually re-pump after a mag or two, no worries.
But before I start extensive tuning and modding on my new guns or buy an air-hog big bore, or anything that needs a 300 bar, lol, I will get a tank, or two. Once I get tired of hauling the tank(s) for filling, I am sure I'll be pricing compressors, lol..
But, the fact is, most times, a hand pump is all I need. Hope this helps.
8) Chickie
kudos to both of you it is a big help
although I have access to the compressor needed it is still a pain to have to run out get filled sometimes.
Keith,
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A bug in your ear...The Marauder is a perfect starter gun than you can really grow with. It is so versatile and has tons of Crosman and forum support due to thousands sold. It is easy to get cheap replacement parts for (which all guns will need eventually). Only $4 shipping from Crosman and lots of other places to get parts for it too. Very easy to work on and can be modded to make it your own with lots of aftermarket parts or, DIY mods on the cheap. Everyone should have at least one in their arsenal because of these facts along with the fact that it has one of the best triggers of any airgun available that many consider match grade or at least close to it and is fully adjustable on both the 1st and 2nd stages along with the pull weight for real customization per user. It is hard to be accurate with a heavy trigger.
The SynRod or PRod are on my short list along with Air Max Varmint, Hatsan AT44S-10 QE, Sumatra 2500 Carbine
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The SynRod or PRod are on my short list along with Air Max Varmint, Hatsan AT44S-10 QE, Sumatra 2500 Carbine
That's a good 'short list', for sure...
I own, or have owned, all except the Sumatra, which is also a gun I would like to have, but have no real need for at this time, ha ha!
My Varmints arrive tomorrow, hopefully they will live up to the low-dollar, high-satisfaction hype, lol.
:-) Chickie
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We are getting a little off track, but it did give me some time to investigate the suggestions given so far. I have now set my budget at $1000 for gun, tank, hand pump (??), and misc.
Scopes I have from other weapons can be used initially.
Keith,
I apologize for getting side tracked.
An HW110 would be a very nice option with your new budget. I have read good things about them and Chicky has first hand experience. I don't know the size of the HW110 air cylinder but I imagine it would be similar to the Marauder volume. Also since the HW110 is regulated you do not have to fill to to the max cylinder pressure. That will only give you more shots between pumping sessions.
Thanks,
Taso
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Keith you're lucky to have access to a compressor, I've got a couple of SCBA tanks that I made my own fill adaptor for, about once a month or less I'll get them both topped off for $10 but they're the 88 cubic ft ones so when I do go hunting I'll put my hand pump behind the seat of my truck in case I get carried away with some plinking while I'm hunting. Between both tanks and the adaptor I've got $280 invested but some day I might even buy me a good compressor, not today though ;)
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The SynRod or PRod are on my short list along with Air Max Varmint, Hatsan AT44S-10 QE, Sumatra 2500 Carbine
That's a good 'short list', for sure...
I own, or have owned, all except the Sumatra, which is also a gun I would like to have, but have no real need for at this time, ha ha!
My Varmints arrive tomorrow, hopefully they will live up to the low-dollar, high-satisfaction hype, lol.
:-) Chickie
Chickie I had my .22 Varmint out today for a short jaunt at the state land, the mosquito's were entirely overwhelming and I just had to leave but before I left I spotted a chipmunk going up and then back down a tree about 20 yards away, I decided it was time to empty the pellet I had chambered and let him have it. You're really going to be surprised how accurate the .22 is I'm sure.
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I may be a little late to this, and more novice than most on here, but I recently purchased my first PCP after years with Pumpers and a few Springers.
Found an incredible deal on the Marauder 22 at Airgun Depot about a month ago for $386 out the door w/ tax and shipping total! After looking at reader reviews between Airgun Depot and Pyramid Air, Pyramid Air matched the "out the door" price.
Had the Mrod sighted in with a Centerpoint scope within 10 shots. Shoots less than quarter size groupings at 30 yards. Only thing I regret are the quarter sized holes I put in my Sweetgum tree.
For some reason, my Mrod loves Crosman premiere hollow points the best.
Did not splurge for a tank, yet grabbed a Taousa pump and moisture kit. Although I have no issues pumping up the Mrod, some day down the road I may bite the bullet and pick up a tank.
Somebody else posted earlier to purchase the top end of your choices rather than buy low. I was thinking the Maximus or the Discovery at first, but trusted my better judgment and went the Marauder. Two words: NO REGRETS!!!
Good luck.
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If you like doing mods and hop ups and working on the gun, buy cheap and have fun making your Frankenstein, if you hate working on a project and want something ready to go out of the box, buy higher end and have the gun you want without having to do anything but fill, shoot and of course maintain...... it's up to you, you'll have fun either way you go....
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My top three fun guns for hunting are the Prod, Varmint and the Airmax MKII. I can't really say I like one of them best either, because they're all sooo much fun to shoot. I've got a Mrod that I did mods on and it's doing 50fpe right now but it is a .25 and it is about twice the weight of the other three, they all are great guns but when trekking through the woods like I do a lot the extra weight is unwanted. The main thing that I really like about the Varmint is it came out of the box with plenty of knockdown power with no mods.
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Who sells the HW110 ? looks interesting
Wayne52 all three of those I can see myself with
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Doesn't look like any US companies have it yet, only available from UK or EU at this time. unless someone knows a place that has it now.....?
I'm wondering if they are going to brand it with the Beeman name for the US market?
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Chickie has one so they must be available some where
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Just found her post she ordered from Krale
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$900 plus for the HW110 a bit out of my beginning budget
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I don't know what shipping would be or if there would be any customs tax, for the cost of the gun I would think customs might make you declare it for sales tax, depends on your state, unless Krale states it as a gift or Hobby Parts under $30.00.....? I know China likes to come up with some unique declarations for customs.......
let's see what Chickie say's.
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$900 plus for the HW110 a bit out of my beginning budget
I'm sure it's a very nice gun, and you would not have to do any mods, my HW100 is it's big brother and it is my favorite, super accurate, straight out of the box perfection, but not cheap..... there's a lot of nice guns out there, some you might want to mod, but mods cost money, some great right out of the box, as they always say "You Get what you pay for" in most cases, there are some fine guns for a reasonable price to be found, it's just depends on what you are willing to spend......
but don't take it as " Expensive means good", look for the deals on quality.
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If you like doing mods and hop ups and working on the gun, buy cheap and have fun making your Frankenstein, if you hate working on a project and want something ready to go out of the box, buy higher end and have the gun you want without having to do anything but fill, shoot and of course maintain...... it's up to you, you'll have fun either way you go....
I agree fully with Kevin's advice - which gun depends on if you want to have fun modifying it and making it your own, or if you want something just right for your needs on arrival. Also of course it depends on the weight you want the rifle to be, as well as its power level, inherent accuracy and shot count.
Because I had read such positive things about the Benjamin Discovery in terms of its low cost, inherent accuracy, and light weight, and because there are plenty of aftermarket parts available to make it more powerful and to improve the shot count, I opted to buy a used Discovery and modify it to my liking. I have had great fun transforming my humble Discovery and for less than $400 I now have a rifle that looks nice, is very light weight, is powerful with a good shot count, and is extremely accurate.
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BSA scorpion se 😉 No mods needed out of the box and it will be very accurate. If you decide you want a regulator its less than $140 for the reg and you wont need to send it off to get it installed. Its super easy to install and you can install it in 15 min or less.
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BSA scorpion se 😉 No mods needed out of the box and it will be very accurate. If you decide you want a regulator its less than $140 for the reg and you wont need to send it off to get it installed. Its super easy to install and you can install it in 15 min or less.
Good guns those BSA Scorpions and very accurate. Loads of aftermarket stuff available as well as tuning information if you like tinkering. They also work well straight out of the box if you just want to shoot. There have been some lemons but that goes for higher priced guns as well.
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Keith,
I have a Scorpion SE 1200 and it is a little heavy but very nice none the less. But I got it at a crazy Amazon final price of $509. If you are not in a hurry, waiting for deals will save you a lot of money. I have a Huma regulator to install that I haven't had a chance to yet.
I bought a used firefighter scba 30 minute tank with 4 years of life left for around $80. They're normally $40 more expensive. A hand pump can be bought for less than $70 if you shop smart. You will also need an hpa fill station. You can build one for around $140.
I think the HW110 is the best deal on a regulated rifle. It is available from Aceros De Hispania Krale Schietsport for around $911 depending on what the current Euro exchange rate is. I wish it came in wood but that is what I would buy and I am saving for one.
I have bought cheap rifles. I have bought rifles that I knew I was going to mod from the get go. They are both important aspects of this hobby and have their place and have taught me a lot. I can't say that from what I know now I would have bought the HW110 and been done. That is not what the hobby is too me.
The hobby is different for everyone. So in the end it is up to you Keith. There are a lot of members than can give you their experiences whichever way you choose. ;D
Thanks,
Taso
Edit: I goofed up. The HW110 is at Krale Schietsport. The HW100 is at Aceros De Hispania. I made the corrections above. Sorry.
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BSA scorpion se 😉 No mods needed out of the box and it will be very accurate. If you decide you want a regulator its less than $140 for the reg and you wont need to send it off to get it installed. Its super easy to install and you can install it in 15 min or less.
I really would like to buy and shoot and not have to tinker.
I would like the gun fairly light in weight, not bulky
Some what backyard friendly although a large backyard closest neighbors are several hundred feet away side to side nothing behind.
I have a 10 meter range in my basement and would like to be able to shoot indoors in the winter months.
And a gun that can be hand pumped when necessary.
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my only experience with BSA was a Scorpion springer pistol in the early 80's total POS (still have it some where)
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I really would like to buy and shoot and not have to tinker.
I would like the gun fairly light in weight, not bulky
Some what backyard friendly although a large backyard closest neighbors are several hundred feet away side to side nothing behind.
I have a 10 meter range in my basement and would like to be able to shoot indoors in the winter months.
And a gun that can be hand pumped when necessary.
This has ALL the callings of a PRod.
When its wet outside, I shoot my PRod in my 15ft basement pistol "range"
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BSA scorpion se 😉 No mods needed out of the box and it will be very accurate. If you decide you want a regulator its less than $140 for the reg and you wont need to send it off to get it installed. Its super easy to install and you can install it in 15 min or less.
I really would like to buy and shoot and not have to tinker.
I would like the gun fairly light in weight, not bulky
Some what backyard friendly although a large backyard closest neighbors are several hundred feet away side to side nothing behind.
I have a 10 meter range in my basement and would like to be able to shoot indoors in the winter months.
And a gun that can be hand pumped when necessary.
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my only experience with BSA was a Scorpion springer pistol in the early 80's total POS (still have it some where)
Keith if you don't want to tinker get the Scorpion SE, Brocock, Daystates. All my guns shot great right out of the box zero tinkering needed. I prefer to spend my time shooting and not tearing it apart to make it what it should have been out of the box.
But 1,000 is low mark to get what you want. You can't have it all. Some guys will say "Oh its no problem, I climbed K2 and mount everest, I pump all my 3,000 PSI gun by hand, no problem, its easy. Well don't listen to them. I know quite a few people with 300.00 pumps (I am one of them) that collect dust. Its a nice thought that you can do it but get a 2000 psi gun if you are really serious about pumping a gun. It gets old fast.
Start looking at Air tanks the the true cost of one.
They have a 15 year life then you toss them. No one will fill them past that and they have to be hydroed every 5 years.
Sure some people will buy a compressor (only good ones are 2,000 and up) and fill old expired tanks.
Careful on Ebay too, that is a minefield of expired old tanks. And if you find one that you think might be a good deal you will probably want to ask here if "this is a good deal" then the people who you ask will all buy the good deal out from under you. :)
New tanks Omega - is 550.00 74 CuFt. My buddy just bought one after getting disillusioned searching ebay for used tanks. And those used tanks don't have the proper fitting so then you are out looking for fittings and hoses etc.
Your budget of 1,000 is not much. Lower the gun to 450.00 ish. No free lunch here. The start up costs of PCPs is not cheap. Once you get a decent tank then its not bad.
I'd set budget higher and get a better gun and decent tank.
If you want cheap just get a Maxiumus + hand pump. That is doable and you will shoot pellet in pellet in your indoor range as good as a $2,000 gun.
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The scorpion se is a short pcp thats not heavy but feels like a solid made pcp. The synthetic stock is miles ahead of any other synthetic stocks on pcp that I have handled. the 1200 se is longer and heavier so dont confuse the two. If you need it back yard friendly you can stick an ldc on it or a shroud. I have some pics of my scorpion se with an ldc I built that I will post later. I have a thread on my scorpion se but the photos were uploaded from photobucket so they wont be in the thread.
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As a contribution from the UK, in the lists under members posts I don't see many FX. In my experience which is over 50 years of blowing holes in various things with air guns, I came across FX in its Logun guise quite by accident and have been fascinated with them ever since. I am not talking about the expensive space age design models but the traditional styled, lower & affordable end of the market.
There are several models worth consideration and probably better bought as used as any problems should have been sorted out though I have not found any problems on the 6 guns I have.
They are all pretty lightweight even with a decent size scope fitted, the single shot Typhoon (Logun Solo) I have is the most consistently accurate rifle I have ever owned and in 177 it gives around 100 shots per fill of air, in 22 it should give more.
So there you go, you pay your money and take your choice, I hope you get it right!
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Leland,
Yeah, my Scorpion's configuration is a pig lol. I would've preferred a non 1200 Scorpion. It's ok. My T200 is my light pcp.
Taso
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I really would like to buy and shoot and not have to tinker.
I would like the gun fairly light in weight, not bulky
Some what backyard friendly although a large backyard closest neighbors are several hundred feet away side to side nothing behind.
I have a 10 meter range in my basement and would like to be able to shoot indoors in the winter months.
And a gun that can be hand pumped when necessary.
This has ALL the callings of a PRod.
When its wet outside, I shoot my PRod in my 15ft basement pistol "range"
I agree, but only if he gets a good one. My new Prod is NOT accurate at all, with anything...yet...
I only kept the POS because I like everything else about the little cutie, and I know I can iron her out...eventually... And I have other guns that never give me a problem, such as the HW110...
There were NO extra customs charges or anything like that with my purchase. They opened up the box, peeked inside, and rubber-stamped it. No worries...
At the time, I think I paid about $835 for the gun, $13 credit card fee, and $49 for shipping, sooo, what? $897 to my door...
Add one Amazon hand pump, a bunch of .22 pellets, a $9 foster fitting adaptor from PA, and you are out shooting in your yard, and still under budget enough to order pizzas and beverages...
Your choice, really, wanna be shooting by, saaay, Monday? Lol..
Krale only has FAC .177s left. They have been selling out the others while we've been chatting about them, lol. Try Aceros de Hispania otherwise, I've not bought from them, but others I trust have and everything went perfectly...
Ain't this fun? I looove to shop, regardless, ha ha, but shopping air gun stuff makes you think...
:-) Chickie
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I really would like to buy and shoot and not have to tinker.
I would like the gun fairly light in weight, not bulky
Some what backyard friendly although a large backyard closest neighbors are several hundred feet away side to side nothing behind.
I have a 10 meter range in my basement and would like to be able to shoot indoors in the winter months.
And a gun that can be hand pumped when necessary.
This has ALL the callings of a PRod.
When its wet outside, I shoot my PRod in my 15ft basement pistol "range"
I agree, but only if he gets a good one. My new Prod is NOT accurate at all, with anything...yet...
I only kept the POS because I like everything else about the little cutie, and I know I can iron her out...eventually... And I have other guns that never give me a problem, such as the HW110...
There were NO extra customs charges or anything like that with my purchase. They opened up the box, peeked inside, and rubber-stamped it. No worries...
At the time, I think I paid about $835 for the gun, $13 credit card fee, and $49 for shipping, sooo, what? $897 to my door...
Add one Amazon hand pump, a bunch of .22 pellets, a $9 foster fitting adaptor from PA, and you are out shooting in your yard, and still under budget enough to order pizzas and beverages...
Your choice, really, wanna be shooting by, saaay, Monday? Lol..
Krale only has FAC .177s left. They have been selling out the others while we've been chatting about them, lol. Try Aceros de Hispania otherwise, I've not bought from them, but others I trust have and everything went perfectly...
Ain't this fun? I looove to shop, regardless, ha ha, but shopping air gun stuff makes you think...
:-) Chickie
Get Jims HF barrel for that PRod and it will 1 hole it all day!
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What is the difference between WEIHRAUCH WEAVER CARBON HW100 S COMBINED AIR FSB and the one sold by PA??
http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/airguns-competition-pcp.asp?product=carabina-weihrauch-hw100-s-fsb (http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/airguns-competition-pcp.asp?product=carabina-weihrauch-hw100-s-fsb)
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-hw-100-sk-pcp-air-rifle?m=2262 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-hw-100-sk-pcp-air-rifle?m=2262)
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What is the difference between WEIHRAUCH WEAVER CARBON HW100 S COMBINED AIR FSB and the one sold by PA??
http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/airguns-competition-pcp.asp?product=carabina-weihrauch-hw100-s-fsb (http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/airguns-competition-pcp.asp?product=carabina-weihrauch-hw100-s-fsb)
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-hw-100-sk-pcp-air-rifle?m=2262 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-hw-100-sk-pcp-air-rifle?m=2262)
The difference? About $650 dollars, that's what, lol..
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What is the difference between WEIHRAUCH WEAVER CARBON HW100 S COMBINED AIR FSB and the one sold by PA??
http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/airguns-competition-pcp.asp?product=carabina-weihrauch-hw100-s-fsb (http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/airguns-competition-pcp.asp?product=carabina-weihrauch-hw100-s-fsb)
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-hw-100-sk-pcp-air-rifle?m=2262 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-hw-100-sk-pcp-air-rifle?m=2262)
The difference? About $650 dollars, that's what, lol..
Cute
They are the same gun are they not?
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What is the difference between WEIHRAUCH WEAVER CARBON HW100 S COMBINED AIR FSB and the one sold by PA??
http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/airguns-competition-pcp.asp?product=carabina-weihrauch-hw100-s-fsb (http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/airguns-competition-pcp.asp?product=carabina-weihrauch-hw100-s-fsb)
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-hw-100-sk-pcp-air-rifle?m=2262 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-hw-100-sk-pcp-air-rifle?m=2262)
The difference? About $650 dollars, that's what, lol..
Cute
They are the same gun are they not?
As far as I can see, they are the exact same gun, only difference is the price.
This is why we order guns from overseas, hun, lol. You just wait and see how much the HW110 is at US retailers once it arrives, it will not be selling for $835 plus shipping, for sure.
I like the looks of all the carbine versions of the HW100..
Ever see this page? There are some real beauties here!!!
https://www.weihrauch-sport.de/pre-charged?lang=en (https://www.weihrauch-sport.de/pre-charged?lang=en)
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I really would like to buy and shoot and not have to tinker.
I would like the gun fairly light in weight, not bulky
Some what backyard friendly although a large backyard closest neighbors are several hundred feet away side to side nothing behind.
I have a 10 meter range in my basement and would like to be able to shoot indoors in the winter months.
And a gun that can be hand pumped when necessary.
This has ALL the callings of a PRod.
When its wet outside, I shoot my PRod in my 15ft basement pistol "range"
I agree, but only if he gets a good one. My new Prod is NOT accurate at all, with anything...yet...
I only kept the POS because I like everything else about the little cutie
Chickie
Its ashame you got a PRod that sounds like it has a bad barrel. If so, it should be an easy fix through Crosman especially since its still under warranty. Many of us here have it in stocked form and shooting great since the day it came out of the box. Personally, I can't think of a single major brand of AG that has 100% sold statistic without a single negative issue.....including Weihrauch. Unfortunately, it just comes down to the luck of the draw, on who gets the random defective merchandise.
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Heres a pic I found of my scorpion se. Its not a great pic but thats all I got for now ;D
(https://s6.postimg.org/q8zzyim75/E9095747-73_AF-4_E61-_A8_A2-0_E1_BF9436_E9_B.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/73wqor7j1/)
I have a prod and its very accurate with jsb pellets. I fixed a leak that it had right out of the box from a bad poppet seal and then it recently started to leak out again. I dont know if its the bad poppet seal or if its a new leak. Once I get it sorted its going up for sale cause I dont shoot it.
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Its ashame you got a PRod that sounds like it has a bad barrel. If so, it should be an easy fix through Crosman especially since its still under warranty. Many of us here have it in stocked form and shooting great since the day it came out of the box. Personally, I can't think of a single major brand of AG that has 100% sold statistic without a single negative issue.....including Weihrauch. Unfortunately, it just comes down to the luck of the draw, on who gets the random defective merchandise.
Sometimes the bad luck works out better than good luck, lol. I was planning on re-barreling my Prod when I got it, maybe a .20 or .25, gotta look at what's involved first, so I wasn't too worried about sending it back. I have plenty of .22s and .177s, so the tinkerer in me has a plan, lol..
This isn't the first bum Crosman barrel I've had, it happens, just gotta know that going in, ha!
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Its ashame you got a PRod that sounds like it has a bad barrel. If so, it should be an easy fix through Crosman especially since its still under warranty. Many of us here have it in stocked form and shooting great since the day it came out of the box. Personally, I can't think of a single major brand of AG that has 100% sold statistic without a single negative issue.....including Weihrauch. Unfortunately, it just comes down to the luck of the draw, on who gets the random defective merchandise.
Sometimes the bad luck works out better than good luck, lol. I was planning on re-barreling my Prod when I got it, maybe a .20 or .25, gotta look at what's involved first, so I wasn't too worried about sending it back. I have plenty of .22s and .177s, so the tinkerer in me has a plan, lol..
This isn't the first bum Crosman barrel I've had, it happens, just gotta know that going in, ha!
If you contact Crosman about the issue, they would probably just send you a new barrel.
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Its ashame you got a PRod that sounds like it has a bad barrel. If so, it should be an easy fix through Crosman especially since its still under warranty. Many of us here have it in stocked form and shooting great since the day it came out of the box. Personally, I can't think of a single major brand of AG that has 100% sold statistic without a single negative issue.....including Weihrauch. Unfortunately, it just comes down to the luck of the draw, on who gets the random defective merchandise.
Sometimes the bad luck works out better than good luck, lol. I was planning on re-barreling my Prod when I got it, maybe a .20 or .25, gotta look at what's involved first, so I wasn't too worried about sending it back. I have plenty of .22s and .177s, so the tinkerer in me has a plan, lol..
This isn't the first bum Crosman barrel I've had, it happens, just gotta know that going in, ha!
If you contact Crosman about the issue, they would probably just send you a new barrel.
Thanks, that's a very good idea! Can't hurt to have a .22 barrel that shoots straight UNTIL I take her apart in earnest. ;D
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I use my Prod for small game and love the stealth it has with the LDC on it. I actually prefer the .22 myself because the pellet gets to the poi much faster than it would lobbing a heavier .25 pellet out there which in turn would more enable the recipient of the lead to get more of a chance of hearing and locating the gun report.
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Really temped to pull the trigger on this one
http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/airguns-competition-pcp.asp?product=carabina-weihrauch-hw100-s-fsb (http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/airguns-competition-pcp.asp?product=carabina-weihrauch-hw100-s-fsb)
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Really temped to pull the trigger on this one
http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/airguns-competition-pcp.asp?product=carabina-weihrauch-hw100-s-fsb (http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/airguns-competition-pcp.asp?product=carabina-weihrauch-hw100-s-fsb)
I really would like to buy and shoot and not have to tinker.
Should be ok, but no guarantee. Its a long way back if you need to send it in for service/refund
I would like the gun fairly light in weight, not bulky
Not compact; not exactly lightweight
Some what backyard friendly although a large backyard closest neighbors are several hundred feet away side to side nothing behind.
You'll need to add an LDC; $100+
I have a 10 meter range in my basement and would like to be able to shoot indoors in the winter months.
Not a good choice with this rifle
And a gun that can be hand pumped when necessary.
Its a good workout to get to 300bars
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Really temped to pull the trigger on this one
http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/airguns-competition-pcp.asp?product=carabina-weihrauch-hw100-s-fsb (http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/airguns-competition-pcp.asp?product=carabina-weihrauch-hw100-s-fsb)
I really would like to buy and shoot and not have to tinker.
Should be ok, but no guarantee. Its a long way back if you need to send it in for service/refund
I would like the gun fairly light in weight, not bulky
Not compact; not exactly lightweight
Some what backyard friendly although a large backyard closest neighbors are several hundred feet away side to side nothing behind.
You'll need to add an LDC; $100+
I have a 10 meter range in my basement and would like to be able to shoot indoors in the winter months.
Not a good choice with this rifle
And a gun that can be hand pumped when necessary.
Its a good workout to get to 300bars
And that's why I have not pulled the trigger
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Really temped to pull the trigger on this one
http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/airguns-competition-pcp.asp?product=carabina-weihrauch-hw100-s-fsb (http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/airguns-competition-pcp.asp?product=carabina-weihrauch-hw100-s-fsb)
I really would like to buy and shoot and not have to tinker.
Should be ok, but no guarantee. Its a long way back if you need to send it in for service/refund
I would like the gun fairly light in weight, not bulky
Not compact; not exactly lightweight
Some what backyard friendly although a large backyard closest neighbors are several hundred feet away side to side nothing behind.
You'll need to add an LDC; $100+
I have a 10 meter range in my basement and would like to be able to shoot indoors in the winter months.
Not a good choice with this rifle
And a gun that can be hand pumped when necessary.
Its a good workout to get to 300bars
And that's why I have not pulled the trigger
And that is why HW designed the HW110, to overcome every one of those drawbacks. They got tired of losing sales to people like me, lol.
This is product evolution at it's finest, in my opinion. Those HW guys are never in a rush to bring anything to market, they are traditional German builders with old school ideas about quality and precision. They don't just toss stuff out there every year HOPING to have a big seller, they just go about their business, and when a new baby drops, sometimes something really special is born..
I can't see how they could have been any more mindful of the shortcomings of the HW100 platform. The key issues are non-issues on the HW110. I suspect that as more HW100 shooters migrate to the 110 platform, prices on most 100s will drop, perhaps significantly. I would like one of the smaller special edition HW100s, but I won't pay more than I paid for the 110 for it. I think we are gonna see lower prices on HW PCPs in general, and that may actually be part of the overall HW business plan for the future. I bet the 110 is also much easier, and, or, cheaper to build than the 100s, and the profit margin may actually a higher percentage, so perhaps HW is looking to saturate the mid-level market with a knockout gun, and make up for the per item price drop with larger volume. Just my thoughts, who knows? But it sure seems to me that these guys have a clear plan, and so far, so good!
The feel of that rubber over real wood is very sweet. The guy who thunk this up did everybody that has shot in wet weather a HUGE favor. Don't think of it as a 'synthetic' stock, but an 'enhanced' wood stock, and you'll get the idea. It's genius, the whole package is so well thought out..
8) Chickie
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And that is why HW designed the HW110, to overcome every one of those drawbacks. They got tired of losing sales to people like me, lol.
This is product evolution at it's finest, in my opinion. Those HW guys are never in a rush to bring anything to market, they are traditional German builders with old school ideas about quality and precision. They don't just toss stuff out there every year HOPING to have a big seller, they just go about their business, and when a new baby drops, sometimes something really special is born..
I can't see how they could have been any more mindful of the shortcomings of the HW100 platform. The key issues are non-issues on the HW110. I suspect that as more HW100 shooters migrate to the 110 platform, prices on most 100s will drop, perhaps significantly. I would like one of the smaller special edition HW100s, but I won't pay more than I paid for the 110 for it. I think we are gonna see lower prices on HW PCPs in general, and that may actually be part of the overall HW business plan for the future. I bet the 110 is also much easier, and, or, cheaper to build than the 100s, and the profit margin may actually a higher percentage, so perhaps HW is looking to saturate the mid-level market with a knockout gun, and make up for the per item price drop with larger volume. Just my thoughts, who knows? But it sure seems to me that these guys have a clear plan, and so far, so good!
The feel of that rubber over real wood is very sweet. The guy who thunk this up did everybody that has shot in wet weather a HUGE favor. Don't think of it as a 'synthetic' stock, but an 'enhanced' wood stock, and you'll get the idea. It's genius, the whole package is so well thought out..
8) Chickie
Got it in one, Chickie. Weirauch isn't sitting on their laurels. They move slowly but with precision, and they are listening to customers (as per the HW PCP pistol!)
There's a ton of superb performers for the money Keith is looking to invest, from $200 SPA rifles up to the latest German excellence. I'm a cautious person about spending money, but I also am willing to hedge my bets with known performers; I'll base my purchases on spreadsheets to keep my emotions out of it. This is why my 2 current PCPs are a QB-79 repeater and a PP700 pistol. I have 2 excellent shooters that are easy to fill by handpump and are known to be accurate platforms, yet cost for both is ~ $500 including LDCs for both, cheap but decent glass, and a stockpile of pellets for testing. If I was in Keith's shoes, I would opt for a Varmint/PP900 rifle, a handpump, quality glass, a small CF tank, and pellets... and still have enough left over to buy a bottle of something nice KNOWING I spent my money effectively.
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Anti-squirrel
I appreciate your no nonsense approach and opinion.
Thank you for your input
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Leland,
Yeah, my Scorpion's configuration is a pig lol. I would've preferred a non 1200 Scorpion. It's ok. My T200 is my light pcp.
Taso
Shorter barrels (15" or 18.5") and matching air cylinders can be bought from Knibbs.
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Which ever gun I choose, is there a simple pump and tank option? That would be recommended
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Keith,
I can no longer recommend the Air Max Varmint for you in your situation. I just got two, and yes, the bang-for-the-buck-ness of the deal is sweet, but one of mine is a leaker. Now, yes, it is likely a simple fix, but for a first-timer, something like this can lead to getting soured fast. If the seller had a rep for great customer service, then it would be different, but this seller doesn't, and that could also sour you quickly.
Your first PCP needs to work, out-of-the-box, no worries. I don't think the Varmint can deliver that confidence...
Chickie
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Keith,
I can no longer recommend the Air Max Varmint for you in your situation. I just got two, and yes, the bang-for-the-buck-ness of the deal is sweet, but one of mine is a leaker. Now, yes, it is likely a simple fix, but for a first-timer, something like this can lead to getting soured fast. If the seller had a rep for great customer service, then it would be different, but this seller doesn't, and that could also sour you quickly.
Your first PCP needs to work, out-of-the-box, no worries. I don't think the Varmint can deliver that confidence...
Chickie
Sorry about that. Simple rule of thumb when looking at a web page. When you see giant all caps RED, GREEN and YELLOW like they are shouting think con artist, porn, virus. Think maybe this is not honest. Its not universal but pretty accurate on most sites. I'm not sure why that is, maybe dishonest people are attracted to huge capitol letters and red, green, purple yellow colors. Usually the sites look like a mess, like "Hey I made this myself" no kidding.
Sorry to any of you honest folks that have web sites with those same huge capitol letters. I suggest changing it cause I won't buy from you.
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Keith,
I can no longer recommend the Air Max Varmint for you in your situation. I just got two, and yes, the bang-for-the-buck-ness of the deal is sweet, but one of mine is a leaker. Now, yes, it is likely a simple fix, but for a first-timer, something like this can lead to getting soured fast. If the seller had a rep for great customer service, then it would be different, but this seller doesn't, and that could also sour you quickly.
Your first PCP needs to work, out-of-the-box, no worries. I don't think the Varmint can deliver that confidence...
Chickie
Sorry about that. Simple rule of thumb when looking at a web page. When you see giant all caps RED, GREEN and YELLOW like they are shouting think con artist, porn, virus. Think maybe this is not honest. Its not universal but pretty accurate on most sites. I'm not sure why that is, maybe dishonest people are attracted to huge capitol letters and red, green, purple yellow colors. Usually the sites look like a mess, like "Hey I made this myself" no kidding.
Sorry to any of you honest folks that have web sites with those same huge capitol letters. I suggest changing it cause I won't buy from you.
But you sometimes get what you pay for. $219.00 did you really expect a Daystate? On the cheap I would stick with a bigger name like Crosman at least you know its has a company that will help you on warranty issues.
Scorpion SE is my Vote still.
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But you sometimes get what you pay for. $219.00 did you really expect
It was only $179, and it was a great value, if it actually held air, lol, but even if were only $1.79, I'd expect it to work as advertised.
If fixing it will be more trouble than shipping it back, well, then, I will send it back.
No worries.
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Me I am a tinkerer... I want a Discovery with upgraded valve retention screws(and will still only fill to 2500 psi not 3000). some dremmel porting, a Maximus 26" Barrel and extra barrel band to help the tiny breech screw... I think that will be a lot of bang for the $...
as is the Maxi does very well for the sub $200 tho...
here is a review of the .177 and it is pretty impressive for no tuning done...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ4Wqj9mfjo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ4Wqj9mfjo)
I think with a challenger power adjuster (or other) to get it into each pellets sweet spot and a bit of blueprinting it would be even better...
My ten meter indoor(and outdoors) rifles are not pcp... they are single pump Daisy and you would be hard pressed to find better... 100$ thru the CMP for a used 853 is hard to beat period..
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But you sometimes get what you pay for. $219.00 did you really expect
It was only $179, and it was a great value, if it actually held air, lol, but even if were only $1.79, I'd expect it to work as advertised.
If fixing it will be more trouble than shipping it back, well, then, I will send it back.
No worries.
Bummer, I did look at the website and it even had me wanting one, but I always look for what they don't say or leave out along with the overall capabilities. I just can't bring myself to order a gun without access to easy replacement parts and great customer support like Crosman has. I really wanted an FX impact and now the new Crown coming out, but they are so far away (Sweden) it's scary as I consider future needs I might have with the gun down the road. I feel for Keith trying to decide which way to go. I already gave him my thoughts for a first gun...He will eventually have to just dive in and hope for the best. There is a member's gate he can sell on if needed.
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Thank you all for being honest and objective
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Which ever gun I choose, is there a simple pump and tank option? That would be recommended
I just bought new tanks 74cuft. I don't like the prices but they work great no issues. They are ready to go pre hydro tested good for 5 years before next one and 15 years total (Maybe 30 years if they change law)
http://www.airguntanks.com/ (http://www.airguntanks.com/)
Something like that. I would get quick disconnects so you can have the hose off the tank for transportation.
Finding a used tank is a sub topic and lots of searching on Ebay. Buyer beware on some of the used ebay tanks.
Get a hill or Air Venturi hand pump - keep the gun to 2000 psi max fill type if you go hand pump.
Guns -your head is spinning lol. They all shoot pretty good. Just trying to find the best bang for the buck can be time consuming. Its always - for just a little bit more money I could have this or that.
Do you know that you have a place that can fill a tank to 4500 psi near you? How much do they charge? Typically $8.00-10.00 range but I've heard some go $20.00.
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Hands down you can't beat an airforce rifle, on one frame you can easily go from .177 , .20, .22, .25 cal. Barrels from 12" to 24", change out in a few min. LW barrels , super accurate. Power is adjustable , no tools. Some really hi shot strings on lower settings. A good choice in Pcp! Good luck in your quest. Wayne
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Hands down you can't beat an airforce rifle, on one frame you can easily go from .177 , .20, .22, .25 cal. Barrels from 12" to 24", change out in a few min. LW barrels , super accurate. Power is adjustable , no tools. Some really hi shot strings on lower settings. A good choice in Pcp! Good luck in your quest. Wayne
Yes good point on the Air Force, no one mentioned them. I've never tried one but they looked to be well made for the money.
Caliber - I think over all .22 is the best. Cheap pellets, flat trajectory and can kill everything the 25 can with less air.
I would not get .17 unless there was some kind of legal issue going .22. Guy at our last shoot had a .17 cal RAW bench gun. He did well at 20 yards but at 50 he could not hang with the .22s due to wind.
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Hands down you can't beat an airforce rifle,
Hmmm, well, I believe that is extremely debatable :) :)
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I could be wrong, but aren't the AF guns only single shot. That would keep me away from them with all of the multishots available.
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I could be wrong, but aren't the AF guns only single shot. That would keep me away from them with all of the multishots available.
Yes single shot. With AF rifles people either love them or hate them. They have some cons and the pros they have can be found in other pcp platforms that dont have the cons of the AF rifles. Like I said you either love them or hate them. I owned three that did alright for me but when a plain Jane condor ss costs over $700 there are other options out there for the same or just a little more money that do so much more.
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I've always wanted to try the Airforce but in reality that's a lot of money to see what they're like ???
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The airforce guns just don't have any appeal to me.
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The Prod was mentioned a few times. Not sure if you can still get them or not, but what about the double tube kit for one? Can be tuned for 8 hard hitting shots or 56 on low power. Short and handy for hunting. Fills are under 3000psi so pumping is easier. Not a true rifle so to speak though if that's what you're after. We're not making this easy, but at least you figured out one brand/style that you don't want.
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If I wanted a gun that I could have confidence in right out of the box site unseen that was a little nicer and lighter than a Marauder, I believe I would have to go with the Regal. I checked out a couple of them at the GTA fun shoot this year and they are very nice and much easier to hold. Very quiet and very accurate as well. I checked out many guns while there for a few days and this is one that really stood out the most overall to me. it's a little pricey and so are the spare magazines, but it would get my vote for a Marauder alternative. The .22 platform would be the best choice for all around needs.
Here is a link: Daystate Huntsman Regal XL (http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/Daystate/RegalXL.htm)
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You know
For what it sounds like your looking to do with your first pcp I really think the gamo urban is worth a look
Yes I'm a little biased on the suggestion because I own one (and love it) however you stated you were looking for a gun you don't have to tinker with and just shoot out of the box and the gamo would give you
Exactly that
It's pretty light but very solidly built very accurate quiet with the stock moderator so no ldc to buy
And at over 20 fpe should handle small game hunting without a hitch mine does awesome !!
I feel like it would give you most of what u said u we're looking for and at the $269 wm price it would leave lots of room in your budget for scope hand pump or tank and plenty of ammo pretty sure you wouldn't be disappointed with the urban
It would be a take it out of the box mount a scope clean the barrel fill and go shooting pcp without any tinkering to be done no it isn't a daystate or brocock quality rifle however it is in my opinion a great quality entry level pcp rifle and a great value in the pcp arena
Welcome to the darkside 👍🏻👍🏻
Just my opinion 😎
Gamoshooter
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Been watching youtube videos for 5 hours now my head in spinning even more now. The only pcp I have shot was a disco a few years ago. I know I will love pcp, I am thinking of moving out some of my less used powder burners to up my budget. I have gone from $700 to $1000 already. I love quality and reliability, I may have fallen down the rabbit hole without even starting.
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Been watching youtube videos for 5 hours now my head in spinning even more now. The only pcp I have shot was a disco a few years ago. I know I will love pcp, I am thinking of moving out some of my less used powder burners to up my budget. I have gone from $700 to $1000 already. I love quality and reliability, I may have fallen down the rabbit hole without even starting.
Then go with AA, BSA, Daystate, FX, cricket, RAW. Then decide which model fits your needs. If you go budget and buy around $400 for the rifle you will regret not stepping up to buy the higher end out of the gate.
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Which ever gun I choose, is there a simple pump and tank option? That would be recommended
Keith, if you're going fill by hand, buy a Hill. They're more money, but worth it.
And before someone whines about it being too hard to pump by hand. It's not! These pumps are made to go up to 4500psi, so pumping to 2000-3000psi is well within their range. It does take more time than filling from a tank of course, but you'll be air self sufficient.
If you decide to buy a tank, first make sure you have a source to get it filled. Also, if you buy an used one, make sure it's still within it's 15yr life span. Tank life span is 15yrs from manufacture date on tank.
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Been watching youtube videos for 5 hours now my head in spinning even more now. The only pcp I have shot was a disco a few years ago. I know I will love pcp, I am thinking of moving out some of my less used powder burners to up my budget. I have gone from $700 to $1000 already. I love quality and reliability, I may have fallen down the rabbit hole without even starting.
Ah, good for you.. I really love my modded Discovery, but I have been researching for the purchase of a higher end pcp and have decided on the FX Streamline in .22. Side lever cocking, 11-shot magazine, power adjustable from 12 to 34 FPE, regulator delivers 60 consistent high power shots, incredibly accurate, available with synthetic, laminated or walnut stock, and very lightweight ranging from 5.8 lbs in the synthetic stock to 6.5 lbs in the laminated stock. Price is $999 to $1199 depending on which stock you choose. Many stellar reviews of this fine air rifle available online.
I owned an FX Cyclone in the past which was a fantastic air rifle and the Streamline looks to be very much like the Cyclone, but with a better magazine and larger air tube. I am excited about buying one of these!
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No matter my budget, I think I'd still pick the $495 Brocock Contour G6 for a carry/hunting gun.
Or a power/accuracy/muffler modded Prod.
These are just too handy and packable to overlook as a woods bummin airgun.
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G6 nice but ?
Huntsman Regal looks sweet
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Keith,
The Regal is a very nice rifle but it lacks a regulator which some competitors include.
That being said, I would have a hard time not pulling the trigger on a used non XL Regal in .177 if it were to ever show up for sale. Very sweet rifle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdQSt9GUY8k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdQSt9GUY8k)
Taso
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FX Streamline also in the running
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No matter my budget, I think I'd still pick the $495 Brocock Contour G6 for a carry/hunting gun.
Or a power/accuracy/muffler modded Prod.
These are just too handy and packable to overlook as a woods bummin airgun.
Have to say the Brocock is probably one of my favorite off hand shooters.
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FX Streamline also in the running
I would only consider the laminate version as there have been a couple synthetic stocks that have broken at the wrist either from shipping or a fall. The one that fell was owned by a member here.
Taso
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G6 nice but ?
Huntsman Regal looks sweet
Oh now Keith you are entering in the PCP you will never let go arena. The Daystate Regal has no equal at its price range. I've been to many many shoots with mine and every one that shoots it wants it. I've had people with FX, BSA, Brocock, Air airms shoot it and they all say "I thought I had the best 1k gun until I shot this"
- Stock finish - nothing close , the finish on the turkish walnut is stunning.
- Shot count 45-73 depends on distance
- Accuracy - well at 50 yards nothing I have shot any better.
- Reliability - 4+ years done nothing to it, I finally cleaned it for the first time just because I thought maybe I should.
- Trigger - best mechanical you will try, soo smooth light.
- do not have to do one thing to it, its been spot on from day one ZERO tuning needed.
I just went to a PCP shop when I could shoot all the new stuff, Pulsars, Air Wolfs, RAW, FX etc. Found no gun I wanted more, even if I could have any free I'm not sure I would do anything but keep what I have, which I did.
Really the only gun that I am mildly interested in is a FX Crown and I might be let down as it won't shoot any better at 50 just will be able to tinker with its settings more and swap barrels etc. Don't really need it.
Get it in .22 30 FPE not the 40fpe.
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G6 nice but ?
Huntsman Regal looks sweet
Oh now Keith you are entering in the PCP you will never let go arena. The Daystate Regal has no equal at its price range. I've been to many many shoots with mine and every one that shoots it wants it. I've had people with FX, BSA, Brocock, Air airms shoot it and they all say "I thought I had the best 1k gun until I shot this"
- Stock finish - nothing close , the finish on the turkish walnut is stunning.
- Shot count 45-73 depends on distance
- Accuracy - well at 50 yards nothing I have shot any better.
- Reliability - 4+ years done nothing to it, I finally cleaned it for the first time just because I thought maybe I should.
- Trigger - best mechanical you will try, soo smooth light.
- do not have to do one thing to it, its been spot on from day one ZERO tuning needed.
I just went to a PCP shop when I could shoot all the new stuff, Pulsars, Air Wolfs, RAW, FX etc. Found no gun I wanted more, even if I could have any free I'm not sure I would do anything but keep what I have, which I did.
Really the only gun that I am mildly interested in is a FX Crown and I might be let down as it won't shoot any better at 50 just will be able to tinker with its settings more and swap barrels etc. Don't really need it.
Get it in .22 30 FPE not the 40fpe.
I see you also have a Brocock, how do you like that rifle?
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G6 nice but ?
Huntsman Regal looks sweet
Oh now Keith you are entering in the PCP you will never let go arena. The Daystate Regal has no equal at its price range. I've been to many many shoots with mine and every one that shoots it wants it. I've had people with FX, BSA, Brocock, Air airms shoot it and they all say "I thought I had the best 1k gun until I shot this"
- Stock finish - nothing close , the finish on the turkish walnut is stunning.
- Shot count 45-73 depends on distance
- Accuracy - well at 50 yards nothing I have shot any better.
- Reliability - 4+ years done nothing to it, I finally cleaned it for the first time just because I thought maybe I should.
- Trigger - best mechanical you will try, soo smooth light.
- do not have to do one thing to it, its been spot on from day one ZERO tuning needed.
I just went to a PCP shop when I could shoot all the new stuff, Pulsars, Air Wolfs, RAW, FX etc. Found no gun I wanted more, even if I could have any free I'm not sure I would do anything but keep what I have, which I did.
Really the only gun that I am mildly interested in is a FX Crown and I might be let down as it won't shoot any better at 50 just will be able to tinker with its settings more and swap barrels etc. Don't really need it.
Get it in .22 30 FPE not the 40fpe.
I see you also have a Brocock, how do you like that rifle?
The Brocock is very nice too but.
- Trigger not as light or smooth
- Fewer Shots -and it drops off fast
- Stock is walnut but not as nice as the Daystate
- Magazine - 6 shots vs 10 (magnetic) in Daystate
- Fit n Finish is nice vs most any gun but not as nice as the Regal
- Accuracy - The brocock is close but it not quite as tight as the regal
- Sound - no moderator on my Brocock, added a Huggett but cost 150.00
- Hammer - The Daystate has the Slingshot Hammer, no double bounce that is why it gets so many shots on a small tank. Most guns don't have this. The brocock waists more air and drops off in accuracy much sooner in the shot string.
They both handle very well, the weight is 6.25 pounds on both, noticeably lighter than most guns, The scorpion feels heavy in comparison but the scorpion is well balanced.
The Brocock Concept Elite S6 is around 800.00 + 150.00 Moderator = 950.00 to 1,000 (Depends on which one you buy) At the same price it falls short of the Daystate. Its very nice but just a tier down in overall quality.
Buy JSB 15.9s or 18s for either gun. I would say the 15.9s might be a little better in them.
And you don't need a regulator on a Regal. Its fine the way it is one less thing to go wrong, the sling shot hammer system is that good.
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Right now my short list is
1) Daystate Huntsman Regal XL
2) Brocock Bantum (Hi-Lite) I also like the Compatto (both have Daystate slingshot type)
3) FX Streamline Walnut, Lam, I heard bad things of syn?
4) Air Arms S510 Xtra FAC Sidelever PCP Carbine
5) BSA Ultra SE Multishot Air Rifle (old springer Scorpian pistol left bad taste for BSA but??)
6) Sumatra 2500 Carbine
7) Brocock G6
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Right now my short list is
1) Daystate Huntsman Regal XL
2) Brocock Bantum (Hi-Lite) I also like the Compatto (both have Daystate slingshot type)
3) FX Streamline Walnut, Lam, I heard bad things of syn?
4) Air Arms S510 Xtra FAC Sidelever PCP Carbine
5) BSA Ultra SE Multishot Air Rifle (old springer Scorpian pistol left bad taste for BSA but??)
6) Sumatra 2500 Carbine
7) Brocock G6
I own 2 Daystates and the only way I would sell my Air Wolf or MK4 is if I got 2 Regal XLs in exchange.
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Keith..
Do yourself a huge favor... Don't buy a gun because you like what you see. Buy the gun because it fit with what you want to do with it. If you going to shoot off a bench then just about anything is fine but, if your plan is the hit the woods do some hunting the you want to consider weight and durability. You don't want to be packing around an 8+ pounder that has a crown jeweled walnut stock that would be blasphemous to get a ding in. I would think a light weight synthetic stock gun with accuracy and the follow up shot capability of a repeater. I'd want something quiet. I'd want something that left enough in the budget to consider the purchase of independent filling options (maybe a booster or small compressor) and a small carbon fiber refill tank. I like the GAMO Urban. The quality of a BSA. It fits all these requirements but, spare mags are nuts !!! $50? I ended up going with the MRodair AirMax Varmint .177 for $179 or $199 w/2 extra mags. And a CP-1M pistol w/laser for quick shot. $89. Plenty left in your budget for the air supply. And they share the same mags at $20 for spares. Something else to consider is pellet. I hate a gun that needs special pellets to shoot good. My AMV and CP-1M love pellets that I can pick up at Walmart on the way to the hunt or just add to the weekly grocery list.
Bottom line.... buy the gun that fits you.. don't adjust to fit the gun.
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What Booger said is the exact opposite of what Rajod wrote and both are reliable sources. What that tells me is that not all guns of the same make and model are equal and/or the criteria for evaluating said guns are slightly different. I feel for you on your decision and I guess you need to pray you get a good one, no matter what make and model. The only advice I can give you is personal preference and that is; my airgunning "fun factor" doubled when I got a tank and ditched the hand pump. Others are perfectly happy pumping.
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What Booger said is the exact opposite of what Rajod wrote and both are reliable sources. What that tells me is that not all guns of the same make and model are equal and/or the criteria for evaluating said guns are slightly different. I feel for you on your decision and I guess you need to pray you get a good one, no matter what make and model. The only advice I can give you is personal preference and that is; my airgunning "fun factor" doubled when I got a tank and ditched the hand pump. Others are perfectly happy pumping.
I don't read those as opposite at all. Both like their Daystates the fact that Booger's Daystates cost twice what the Regal does but all Daystate just the same.
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Keith..
Do yourself a huge favor... Don't buy a gun because you like what you see. Buy the gun because it fit with what you want to do with it. If you going to shoot off a bench then just about anything is fine but, if your plan is the hit the woods do some hunting the you want to consider weight and durability. You don't want to be packing around an 8+ pounder that has a crown jeweled walnut stock that would be blasphemous to get a ding in. I would think a light weight synthetic stock gun with accuracy and the follow up shot capability of a repeater. I'd want something quiet. I'd want something that left enough in the budget to consider the purchase of independent filling options (maybe a booster or small compressor) and a small carbon fiber refill tank. I like the GAMO Urban. The quality of a BSA. It fits all these requirements but, spare mags are nuts !!! $50? I ended up going with the MRodair AirMax Varmint .177 for $179 or $199 w/2 extra mags. And a CP-1M pistol w/laser for quick shot. $89. Plenty left in your budget for the air supply. And they share the same mags at $20 for spares. Something else to consider is pellet. I hate a gun that needs special pellets to shoot good. My AMV and CP-1M love pellets that I can pick up at Walmart on the way to the hunt or just add to the weekly grocery list.
Bottom line.... buy the gun that fits you.. don't adjust to fit the gun.
I have the guns on my short list because they meet what I am looking for. The Mrod Air Varmint rifle may be something I pick up for a knock around gun. And I already have a CP1 in a cart, but truth be told I raised my budget because the lower cost guns from what I have seen do not meet my standards. I have had German springers and chinese, I am sorry to say there is no comparison.
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Well then, I would say that your are doing exactly as I suggested. I looked at it from the "knock around" perspective.
Good Luck
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I have the guns on my short list because they meet what I am looking for. The Mrod Air Varmint rifle may be something I pick up for a knock around gun. And I already have a CP1 in a cart, but truth be told I raised my budget because the lower cost guns from what I have seen do not meet my standards. I have had German springers and chinese, I am sorry to say there is no comparison.
Keith,
I know you have been getting a lot of input, and you definitely have a lot of good ideas and insights already, so I imagine your head is spinning, lol, in a GOOD way, that's one of the pleasures of this hobby, ha! It can be very consuming, for sure.
I fixed my leaky Varmint and I now have two of them up and running. These guns are waaay better than what we used to think of as 'chinese quality'. They are more like entry-level German youth models than anything Chinese. The Diana company is now selling them as the 'Stormsider', and PA is taking pre-orders. Any customer service worries I have with the current seller will be soon forgotten when they start stocking them.
My advice would be to get out shooting as soon as you can, with a gun that you can bang up, scratch up, and mod to high heaven down the road. Get your fill situation squared away, THEN shop the high-dollar, tier one, gun-o-ya-dreams.
There is no 'wrong' way, but there are 'easier' and 'less costly' ways available, lol..
Chickie ;)
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Okay Chickie you did it, ya got me to pull the trigger ;)
See below, I just ordered the knock around guns. I will order a pump as well to use while I sell off some unused powder burners. Then when they are moved out one of my top tier picks will be purchased most likely along with a compressor & tank for home. Just threw that $700-$1000 budget out the window lol
1 Mrodair CP-1M
Spare
Magazines
Caliber : .177
$14.95
1 Mrodair CP-1M
Target Pistol
.177 cal
LIMITED TIME
SUPER SALE
$89.00
1 AIRMAX
VARMINT WITH
2 SPARE
MAGAZINES (3
TOTAL) ONLY
199 BUCKS
CAL : .177
$199.00
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Okay Chickie you did it, ya got me to pull the trigger ;)
See below, I just ordered the knock around guns. I will order a pump as well to use while I sell off some unused powder burners. Then when they are moved out one of my top tier picks will be purchased most likely along with a compressor & tank for home. Just threw that $700-$1000 budget out the window lol
1 Mrodair CP-1M
Spare
Magazines
Caliber : .177
$14.95
1 Mrodair CP-1M
Target Pistol
.177 cal
LIMITED TIME
SUPER SALE
$89.00
1 AIRMAX
VARMINT WITH
2 SPARE
MAGAZINES (3
TOTAL) ONLY
199 BUCKS
CAL : .177
$199.00
You will be SORRY. Now all your money will be going to the dark side. 2nd mortgage on the old house. But we do have cookies. :)
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Congrats Keith, you finally pulled the trigger after an impressive due diligence. Welcome to the dark side. ;D
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Oh BOY !!!! Chick.... our work here is done..... NEXT !!!
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All of you are just trouble I can see it know :o
The search for a pump and tank are in play now
Next gun and compressor already in research won't be long till a few powder burners are replaced.
Just measured back yard to set up a 45 yard air gun range should have that done this weekend. Indoor shooting from inside my backyard shed/garage across yard to target shed I'm building so targets at that range can be inside and dry.
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The pistol is C02... go ahead and stock up now.
Good choice on matching calibers.. now mags can be shared.
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Just to throw in another variable and challenge; sending cast rounds puts more responsibility on you as the caster and shooter to get things right including deciding what rounds will work in a given rifle...
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get it right and you have much improved BC wind bucking etc....
So in the long run you might want to with that tank choose one of the rifles that lends itself to becoming more towards a power house ...
"looking for 22 cal small game hunting, casual target, and plinking."
just in case you get bored with pellets some long way in the future.. ;)
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Kirby
The next one will be 22 cal, after that I can see a big bore in my future. I already cast bullets for my powder burners.
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I wonder if the shroud off my Crusher could be made to fit one of them Varmints....
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I wonder if the shroud off my Crusher could be made to fit one of them Varmints....
I dunno, but I have Rocker1 LDCs on mine, and now they are indoor-friendly, as well as backyard friendly...
Only my Kral is quieter in this power range..
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Okay Chickie you did it, ya got me to pull the trigger ;)
You done good, Keith, very good!
Great plan, too.
I think we may have a 'live' one here, Bill, yessiree...
Now..
There is a thread here somewhere about a great price on CO2 from Walmart, JT brand, you might better order up while you can, I ordered 16 of the 15-packs at $4.88 each, that's about half off regular prices, and these are better than the Crosman cartridges.
Yep.
This one's finally taken the bait, lol, somebody grab the net, ha ha!!
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I think I might rather have a .177 Mrod for a stealthy backyard gun.
But for my primitive, hunter-gatherer side, the .22 Varmint could hit the spot.
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I LOVE my .22 SynBad.... off of a shooting bag. The Varmint is my "run n gun" tool.
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Right. I want one for show and one for go.
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Oh BOY !!!! Chick.... our work here is done..... NEXT !!!
You done good, Keith, very good!
Great plan, too.
I think we may have a 'live' one here, Bill, yessiree...
Now..
There is a thread here somewhere about a great price on CO2 from Walmart, JT brand, you might better order up while you can, I ordered 16 of the 15-packs at $4.88 each, that's about half off regular prices, and these are better than the Crosman cartridges.
Yep.
This one's finally taken the bait, lol, somebody grab the net, ha ha!!
Congrats to you two enablers, he's already over his budget. :D
Kirby
The next one will be 22 cal, after that I can see a big bore in my future. I already cast bullets for my powder burners.
You know you are in deep, when you are thinking about your next gun before the first arrives. ;D :D ;D
Congrats Keith, you're gonna has a blast shooting now. Welcome to the darkside. Nice job on your "research before buying" too.
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LOL.... over budget in China Town.... Glad you didn't go for the big money guns huh?
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I just have one more thing to add... ENJOY your conversion to the darkside... I still am looking for the promised cookies tho...
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Thanks for all your help ... spending my money lol
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Chickie
thanks for the co2 tip just ordered 20 boxes
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Chickie
thanks for the co2 tip just ordered 20 boxes
You are welcome, glad to see you know how to handle a real bargain!
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Okay Chickie since you enjoy spending my money ...LMBO
where can I get an LDC for the varmint 177
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Okay Chickie since you enjoy spending my money ...LMBO
where can I get an LDC for the varmint 177
Send Rocker1 a PM, he'll fix you right up, right away...
Might as well order one for your CP-1M while you are at it, too...
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Send Rocker1 a PM, he'll fix you right up, right away...
Might as well order one for your CP-1M while you are at it, too...
I nominate Chickie for July's "Enabler of the Month" award.
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I second that nomination Jerry, I just got done messaging David myself saying I was interested in getting an LDC for my .22 Varmint. I really hate bugging David because just recently he made a big move, when I get a reply from him I'll let him know I'm in no big yank to get it yesterday because I know he's very busy.
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Send Rocker1 a PM, he'll fix you right up, right away...
Might as well order one for your CP-1M while you are at it, too...
I nominate Chickie for July's "Enabler of the Month" award.
Awwww, you guys are too sweeet!!! *blushing* :P
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Then again I get double the satisfaction , getting a 85 yard head shot on a varmint , with my Benjimin Genesis .22 nitro piston shooting Crosman Hollow Points, as I do nailing one 120 yards with any of my PCP's ???
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Yeah, but who wants to carry that four foot long behemoth around in the woods snagging on everything...
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Okay Chickie you did it, ya got me to pull the trigger ;)
See below, I just ordered the knock around guns. I will order a pump as well to use while I sell off some unused powder burners. Then when they are moved out one of my top tier picks will be purchased most likely along with a compressor & tank for home. Just threw that $700-$1000 budget out the window lol
1 Mrodair CP-1M
Spare
Magazines
Caliber : .177
$14.95
1 Mrodair CP-1M
Target Pistol
.177 cal
LIMITED TIME
SUPER SALE
$89.00
1 AIRMAX
VARMINT WITH
2 SPARE
MAGAZINES (3
TOTAL) ONLY
199 BUCKS
CAL : .177
$199.00
Congrats Keith! Welcome to the Darkside. Sounds like you are all in now. You took the red pill no going back now :)
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Congratulations! It's sure an addicting sport! That should be a great combination you bought there!
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Its funny when someone wants best pcp advice for a .22 and everyone gives .25 cal suggestions ;D For under $700 and .22 I would look at BSA scorpion se.
Well... Yeah. Having shot a .22 Marauder for a day hunting squirrels and owning a .25 I can say the reason so many people recommend the .25 for pest control is it just hits SO much harder and kills the target so much more humanly/effectively and from longer ranges that it is a more effective weapon for ground squirrel to rabbit size pests. I have a P-Rod (.22) and a regulated .177 Marauder (theoretically for Field Target competition but works well on squirrels) as well so I guess you can see that I believe in the platform.
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Its funny when someone wants best pcp advice for a .22 and everyone gives .25 cal suggestions ;D For under $700 and .22 I would look at BSA scorpion se.
Well... Yeah. Having shot a .22 Marauder for a day hunting squirrels and owning a .25 I can say the reason so many people recommend the .25 for pest control is it just hits SO much harder and kills the target so much more humanly/effectively and from longer ranges that it is a more effective weapon for ground squirrel to rabbit size pests. I have a P-Rod (.22) and a regulated .177 Marauder (theoretically for Field Target competition but works well on squirrels) as well so I guess you can see that I believe in the platform.
Of course it hits harder but the op still specifically asked for recommendations for a .22. Using your logic and ignoring what the op is asking for you should have said 9mm or .45 cal cause those will be even more humane than a .25 ::) Used properly a .22 is just as humane to hunt small game and if you dont believe that then you are calling every hunter in the UK bad hunters. Ive never had a problem taking small game with a .22 or .177 but some swear animals run off with a solid head shot with anything smaller than a .25 :o Thats another topic that has been beaten to death already. back to the regular scheduled program ;)
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A really big advantage I feel that I've got with .22 over .25 is the fact that making a vital shot the .25 will tear things up badly whereas a .22 will pass through without being so destructive to the meat. If I was shooting ground squirrels like the people in Cal. do I'd be using my .25 because they're entirely a pest and non edible.
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.25 isn't very practical if you want to do a lot of plinking and target shooting.
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I specifically went 22 because of the number of 177 other airguns I have. So what did I do I went and ordered the CP1 and Varmint in 177 haha! only because I will use the CP1 indoors in the winter and since mags match up I went with 177 Varmint to match. The next rifle most likely Huntsman Regal 22 or the Bantam in 22 or 25 still kicking calibers around. And at some point I am sure I will add a big bore to them.
I never posted on any forum that I did not get at least one answer that wasn't what I was asking for.
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I specifically went 22 because of the number of 177 other airguns I have. So what did I do I went and ordered the CP1 and Varmint in 177 haha! only because I will use the CP1 indoors in the winter and since mags match up I went with 177 Varmint to match. The next rifle most likely Huntsman Regal 22 or the Bantam in 22 or 25 still kicking calibers around. And at some point I am sure I will add a big bore to them.
I never posted on any forum that I did not get at least one answer that wasn't what I was asking for.
I think you made a great choice on the .22 Varmint, I've been using mine exclusively for hunting and it delivers 21 (3 clips) shots with great power. Mine likes the heavy pellets in the Diablo style pellets, I prefer either the Beeman Tapered Dome or H&N Barracuda Match both 21.14 grains.
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I specifically went 22 because of the number of 177 other airguns I have. So what did I do I went and ordered the CP1 and Varmint in 177 haha! only because I will use the CP1 indoors in the winter and since mags match up I went with 177 Varmint to match. The next rifle most likely Huntsman Regal 22 or the Bantam in 22 or 25 still kicking calibers around. And at some point I am sure I will add a big bore to them.
I never posted on any forum that I did not get at least one answer that wasn't what I was asking for.
I think you made a great choice on the .22 Varmint, I've been using mine exclusively for hunting and it delivers 21 (3 clips) shots with great power. Mine likes the heavy pellets in the Diablo style pellets, I prefer either the Beeman Tapered Dome or H&N Barracuda Match both 21.14 grains.
Trouble is Wayne I ordered the Varmint and CP1 in .177 cal. only because I wanted the CP1 in .177 so I got the pair to match ...
I will order the next rifle in 22
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Right now my short list is
1) Daystate Huntsman Regal XL
2) Brocock Bantum (Hi-Lite) I also like the Compatto (both have Daystate slingshot type)
3) FX Streamline Walnut, Lam, I heard bad things of syn?
4) Air Arms S510 Xtra FAC Sidelever PCP Carbine
5) BSA Ultra SE Multishot Air Rifle (old springer Scorpian pistol left bad taste for BSA but??)
6) Sumatra 2500 Carbine
7) Brocock G6
BSA Ultra SE = Scorpion SE with 12" barrel and matching air cylinder. Great little gun and much beloved by our friends in UK. Possibly number 1 hunting gun in UK, light, pointable and hand pump friendly. Accurate as well, most BSA barrels are sub MOA capable. Shotcount is limited to about 40 shots at 12 fpe and if you decide to go for 20+ fpe it drops down to 20+ shots. Lots of aftermarket support like screw in regulators, improved triggers, shrouds, bling and other parts + tuning support.
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Have you ordered a pump yet, or just going to stick with tanks and get them filled for now? That Varmint is supposed to be easy filling with a hand pump. I bought a cheap one that sells on ebay, working great so far. MRODAIR sells them as well for a bit more money.
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Have you ordered a pump yet, or just going to stick with tanks and get them filled for now? That Varmint is supposed to be easy filling with a hand pump. I bought a cheap one that sells on ebay, working great so far. MRODAIR sells them as well for a bit more money.
Looks like I will buy a cheap pump off ebay for now.
Then looking at most likely at Ebay compressor with china oil water separator mod. Now looking at tanks for future use the SCBA are reasonable to buy, but looking at hardware modification cost. It may be more cost effective to go with a guppy type setup.
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Crosman has a $30 rebate on their 90ci tank. Free freight on Friday. And you can use a discount code.
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Crosman has a $30 rebate on their 90ci tank. Free freight on Friday. And you can use a discount code.
I thought they were regulated to 2000 psi, they are also out of stock as well. But thanks for the heads up!
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Crosman has a $30 rebate on their 90ci tank. Free freight on Friday. And you can use a discount code.
I thought they were regulated to 2000 psi, they are also out of stock as well. But thanks for the heads up!
I don't think so. They can be used to fill the Marauder.
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The Benji tanks are not regulated. It should come with a valve/hose from Joe Broncato at airtanksforsale.com (mine did).
It does have a specific rate limiter on the valve, but it will allow 4500psi through, just at a specific rate. I do not believe it is quite as slow as the Slo-Flo valves Joe sells, but similar tech.
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https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/benjamin-pcp-4500-psi-15-charging-system?a=1899952 (https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/benjamin-pcp-4500-psi-15-charging-system?a=1899952)
Even non-member price is cheaper than Crosman.
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https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/benjamin-pcp-4500-psi-15-charging-system?a=1899952 (https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/benjamin-pcp-4500-psi-15-charging-system?a=1899952)
Even non-member price is cheaper than Crosman.
That is a good price
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According to another post Joe states that it does have the TJ3 valve
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=97855.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=97855.0)
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I really have to move some of the powder burners to make up for the money I am spending
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I just scored a .22 Maximus on WW clearance for $86.90 + tax... free shipping talk about bang for the buck...
My BSA .177 Buccaneer was an amazing amazon sale for $277 + tax... free shipping very very good bang for the buc(pun intended)
My .25 Synrod it was a Cabela's sale $359 + tax ...free shipping Heavy weight bang for the buck 25g to 40g BBT
Point is watch the Bargain gate and have some patience but be ready to move quickly for some amazing bang for the buck....
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I specifically went 22 because of the number of 177 other airguns I have. So what did I do I went and ordered the CP1 and Varmint in 177 haha! only because I will use the CP1 indoors in the winter and since mags match up I went with 177 Varmint to match. The next rifle most likely Huntsman Regal 22 or the Bantam in 22 or 25 still kicking calibers around. And at some point I am sure I will add a big bore to them.
I never posted on any forum that I did not get at least one answer that wasn't what I was asking for.
I had the same delemma on choosing between .22 and .25 cal. I don't regret my decision going .22.
No matter what cal I choose I want the gun to be able to shoot them at 850-890 fps. Shooting jsb 15.9s I can do that and use less air doing it. The .25 cal regal is like 40fpe but only 15 good shots shooting JSB 25gr. So yes you can hit a little harder but your shot count tanks. You could shoot slower like 700 fps but then you loose the flatter trajectory of 870fps.
If you break the 900 fps barrier then your pellets are more likely to tumble and the groups open up.
So if you do go .25 cal you have to go to a big bottle gun or loose shot count. At the time I bought mine I did not really care for the look of the Daystates with the giant bottles. I wanted something that looked and felt like my .22 rimfires. The regal does that.
Depends on of you are strictly hunting. I do more plinking than hunting .22 ammo uses less air and usually cheaper per tin of 500. I think .22 is a very versatile caliber. Better at 50 yards than .177 in the wind but cost effective on air and pellets.
If I can't kill it with 30fpe I grab my rimfire.
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I just scored a .22 Maximus on WW clearance for $86.90 + tax... free shipping talk about bang for the buck...
My BSA .177 Buccaneer was an amazing amazon sale for $277 + tax... free shipping very very good bang for the buc(pun intended)
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I specifically went 22 because of the number of 177 other airguns I have. So what did I do I went and ordered the CP1 and Varmint in 177 haha! only because I will use the CP1 indoors in the winter and since mags match up I went with 177 Varmint to match. The next rifle most likely Huntsman Regal 22 or the Bantam in 22 or 25 still kicking calibers around. And at some point I am sure I will add a big bore to them.
I never posted on any forum that I did not get at least one answer that wasn't what I was asking for.
I had the same delemma on choosing between .22 and .25 cal. I don't regret my decision going .22.
No matter what cal I choose I want the gun to be able to shoot them at 850-890 fps. Shooting jsb 15.9s I can do that and use less air doing it. The .25 cal regal is like 40fpe but only 15 good shots shooting JSB 25gr. So yes you can hit a little harder but your shot count tanks. You could shoot slower like 700 fps but then you loose the flatter trajectory of 870fps.
If you break the 900 fps barrier then your pellets are more likely to tumble and the groups open up.
So if you do go .25 cal you have to go to a big bottle gun or loose shot count. At the time I bought mine I did not really care for the look of the Daystates with the giant bottles. I wanted something that looked and felt like my .22 rimfires. The regal does that.
Depends on of you are strictly hunting. I do more plinking than hunting .22 ammo uses less air and usually cheaper per tin of 500. I think .22 is a very versatile caliber. Better at 50 yards than .177 in the wind but cost effective on air and pellets.
If I can't kill it with 30fpe I grab my rimfire.
I agree completely, you have stated my thoughts on the .22 cal. Your description of the Regal as well it is the closest to a traditional hunting rifle. With that said I will own a Regal, but also have my sights set on a few others as well. It did not take long to blow my budget out of the water.
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I specifically went 22 because of the number of 177 other airguns I have. So what did I do I went and ordered the CP1 and Varmint in 177 haha! only because I will use the CP1 indoors in the winter and since mags match up I went with 177 Varmint to match. The next rifle most likely Huntsman Regal 22 or the Bantam in 22 or 25 still kicking calibers around. And at some point I am sure I will add a big bore to them.
I never posted on any forum that I did not get at least one answer that wasn't what I was asking for.
I had the same delemma on choosing between .22 and .25 cal. I don't regret my decision going .22.
No matter what cal I choose I want the gun to be able to shoot them at 850-890 fps. Shooting jsb 15.9s I can do that and use less air doing it. The .25 cal regal is like 40fpe but only 15 good shots shooting JSB 25gr. So yes you can hit a little harder but your shot count tanks. You could shoot slower like 700 fps but then you loose the flatter trajectory of 870fps.
If you break the 900 fps barrier then your pellets are more likely to tumble and the groups open up.
So if you do go .25 cal you have to go to a big bottle gun or loose shot count. At the time I bought mine I did not really care for the look of the Daystates with the giant bottles. I wanted something that looked and felt like my .22 rimfires. The regal does that.
Depends on of you are strictly hunting. I do more plinking than hunting .22 ammo uses less air and usually cheaper per tin of 500. I think .22 is a very versatile caliber. Better at 50 yards than .177 in the wind but cost effective on air and pellets.
If I can't kill it with 30fpe I grab my rimfire.
I agree completely, you have stated my thoughts on the .22 cal. Your description of the Regal as well it is the closest to a traditional hunting rifle. With that said I will own a Regal, but also have my sights set on a few others as well. It did not take long to blow my budget out of the water.
Yea budget blown out of the water :).
You have some nice guns on your list. The FX Streamline looks to be pretty decent but one turn off for me is its a foot longer than the Regal like 50" with the moderator. Longer than my Maximus with TKO and I'm always worried I'm going to snap it off walking around. The Stock is not as nice but it looks to be a very nice shooting gun. The Stock and Magazines on the Regal are going to be better. And the Streamline is 1st year out, not sure on the quality control yet.
Under 40" is good if you plan on walking around in the woods.
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Huntsman Regal and Brocock Bantum are my two top choices at the moment
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Huntsman Regal and Brocock Bantum are my two top choices at the moment
The Brococks have also caught my eye, even the less expensive ones. For me, under 36" is best for hunting, even shorter is better when I can get it, too.
The Daystates, well, you know, they are top-notch guns, for sure.
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Huntsman Regal and Brocock Bantum are my two top choices at the moment
The Brococks have also caught my eye, even the less expensive ones. For me, under 36" is best for hunting, even shorter is better when I can get it, too.
The Daystates, well, you know, they are top-notch guns, for sure.
I am with you shorter and lighter always as long as accuracy does not suffer.
Putting together a list of powder burners that somehow I picked up, but never really wanted, someone needed money or just a good deal. Anyway should be enough to buy some more air guns
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Putting together a list of powder burners that somehow I picked up, but never really wanted, someone needed money or just a good deal. Anyway should be enough to buy some more air guns
Now yer talkin', lol..
Yep, clear out the dead wood, make room for fresh growth, good choice!!!
It's all in the name of fun, eh? :D
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Huntsman Regal and Brocock Bantum are my two top choices at the moment
Did you see this video on the Bantum. Looks like a nice compact PCP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sq0f9PhCPc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sq0f9PhCPc)
- Get the Carbon bottle over a metal one. Metal bottles usually make the gun top heavy
- 73 shots!
- Accuracy at 50 yards looked great
- Shot string looked good.
- Magazine nice! But does not have the magnetic clip of the Regal.
- Trigger - Doubt very much it will near as good as the Regals.
- Weight and length looks great for walking about.
- The ability to turn down the power is sort of a gimmick. I know guys with FX and they just end up leaving it on high power because it does not save any air. Ideally low power would give you double the shots (Ie 73 to 146) but it sounds like the dial is just to lower the power. Rare situations where you would want to lower it.
Stock - Looks nice but not quite like a Regals.
Bolt - Cocking the gun will be easier and faster than with the Regals bolt. My brocock has that same lever and you can cock it with just your thumb on the back of the gun and index finger. The regal you have to give it a good tug to cock it.
Fill Pressure - at 250 bar you can forgot about pumping it, no way. I might opt for the 98 CUFT fill tank. Even if you fill it to 200 bar you will probably get 50 shots from it.
It would be nice if you could shoot them both. There are things about guns that you don't realize until you actually shoot it.
Sometimes the balance is off or you can't line up with the scope etc. I'm sure its fine.
I like the flat shot string, weight, power etc. Its shooting the JSB 15.9s in the 900
+fps which means it will shoot the 18s and 21s in the high 800s. Plenty of power for a .22.
That gun will be a pellet eating machine. Stock up on JSBs I have a feeling you will blow though 500 pellets in one sitting :)
(http://puu.sh/wPtf7/0af64d8ee9.jpg)
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RAJOD
Yes I did, plus the one he did on it in the UK, looks like an awesome gun
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Before making a final decision I would definitely test a few guns that have both the bolt action and lever action.
Everybody is different and prefers a certain mechanism, I for instance haven't really connected with bolt actions, I think the Daystate Huntsman is an incredibly beautiful gun and I'm sure fantastic on all aspects but the bolt action would make me buy an Air Arms instead with that butter smooth lever action.
It's all subjective of course and everyone needs to find what fits them best and you wont know until you have shot a few guns.
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Bolt action is completely natural to me since I have been shooting them all my life in powder burners. Air rifle test where I live is not possible for higher end rifles especially so. Of course under lever like the Sumatra would be natural as well. I watch these videos in the UK where they can try all the different rifles and wish that was available here.
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Bolt action is completely natural to me since I have been shooting them all my life in powder burners. Air rifle test where I live is not possible for higher end rifles especially so. Of course under lever like the Sumatra would be natural as well. I watch these videos in the UK where they can try all the different rifles and wish that was available here.
Keith,
Check out the member's map, there may be other GTA folks near you, and we generally love to show off our toys and share. Also look into any Field Target Clubs near you, as there are usually dozens of guys there that own dozens of guns each, and they too love to welcome new folks and share their toys. Air gun guys are about the friendliest buncha folks yer ever gonna meet, really...
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Bolt action is completely natural to me since I have been shooting them all my life in powder burners. Air rifle test where I live is not possible for higher end rifles especially so. Of course under lever like the Sumatra would be natural as well. I watch these videos in the UK where they can try all the different rifles and wish that was available here.
Bolt action in Firearms it completely natural to me and I like it, in airguns is completely different and I don't like it one bit :) :) :)
Side lever like FX, AA, Evanix is just soooooooo Butter smooth :) :) a pleasure to cycle those actions.
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Also, if you don't mind the tactical look of a bullpup design, i'd highly recommend the Hatsan Bullboss in (.25). This thing is compact, accurate and a beast in the power department.
I concur.
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But pretty heavy, right?
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Well just received my Rocker1 LDCs for the Mrodair Varmint and CP1. Now if only the guns would show up it might be nice. I ordered them before the LDCs of course. Rocker1 super service and very nice work.
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Well just received my Rocker1 LDCs for the Mrodair Varmint and CP1. Now if only the guns would show up it might be nice. I ordered them before the LDCs of course. Rocker1 super service and very nice work.
I can relate to that. I am still waiting on my Hatsan AT44S 10 Qe but the scope rings and .25 pellets have been here a week already.
Phil
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Just checked MYUPS and low and behold what do I find? So I should have Varmint and CP1 tomorrow
Delivery Date and Time Sender and Tracking # Status/Manage
Tue, Jul 25
7:00 PM
MRODAIR.COM
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Good deal Keith. I just updated MY UPS info as well and it showed my PA expected delivery. I'm confident it will show it will show another delivery I am expecting as soon as the pick up has posted. This tracking system works off of your name and address. Once you are registered it will show anything scheduled to be delivered by UPS to your address. You don't need tracking info... just log in.
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Walter rotex with lother Walter barrel magazine fed under 700 nice carbine wood stock 😎
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Walter rotex with lother Walter barrel magazine fed under 700 nice carbine wood stock 😎
Nice just a bit on the heavy side
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Well just received Varmint and CP1 the Varmint has air in it and does not seem to be leaking. I have to admit the quality is better than I expected on both units. The Varmint 177 came with what looks to be a air fill adapter, and o-rings. Between it and the CP1 I have 6 mags. Also received the 20 packs of 15 Walmart Co2 cartridges. Hopefully I will get some time this evening to do a little testing.
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Have fun... I love the getting to know a new rifle's finer points... ;D ;D ;D
I am in the anticipation stage right now... My new Maxi .22 is on the truck for delivery... usually comes about 2-4 pm... yesterday got rubber mulch for a new couple pellet traps... been using softwood rounds... now that I am casting want an easier way of to recovering my lead... also need to make a quick and dirty wiper type LDC for now...
Got a 1985 U.S. Shooting team Daisy 953 a few years ago as a gift... it has only cost me a couple thousand so far.. ;)
Enjoy...
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just showed up early... single box open but re-taped with scotch tape handled roughly along the line but rifle looks undamaged...
But have a few thing I have to do before getting a chance to test.. :(
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Kirby have fun
I had Rocker1 make me LDCs for both which I will have to install
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Kirby have fun
I had Rocker1 make me LDCs for both which I will have to install
They are da bomb, for sure. Both my Varmints are super-quiet now, I like a hush-hush gun, and I am really happy with these set-ups. Hard to believe there's almost 30 fpe coming outta such a silent killer!!
Y'all be careful now, it's easy to forget yer tossing about a quarter of the power of a .22 LR down range all day long with sooo little 'pop'...
I gotta tell myself this all the time, ha ha!!
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Kirby have fun
I had Rocker1 make me LDCs for both which I will have to install
They are da bomb, for sure. Both my Varmints are super-quiet now, I like a hush-hush gun, and I am really happy with these set-ups. Hard to believe there's almost 30 fpe coming outta such a silent killer!!
Y'all be careful now, it's easy to forget yer tossing about a quarter of the power of a .22 LR down range all day long with sooo little 'pop'...
I gotta tell myself this all the time, ha ha!!
Don't get me going, Mrod air lowered the price once again, the varmint 22 may have to find it's way here as well
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Don't get me going, Mrod air lowered the price once again, the varmint 22 may have to find it's way here as well
Keith,
All GTA members can use a 10% off GTA coupon code at PA, soo when the Diana Stormrider version arrives we can get them for $179 from them, which is only $10 more than the other guy, and there you'll get good customer service.
Besides, I bet the other guy is gonna drop prices again and again to unload his inventory before the big box stores start selling the SPA guns. They have a lower per/gun cost with their volume purchasing power, will be able to afford to carry their full line of products, and they will provide top-notch technical support, customer service, tracking, phone representation, and that will be that. Think Walmart vs. Mom & Pop stores, and ya get the idea, lol..
The other guy is gonna need to find another cash cow, this one is going bye-bye very soon..
Just my thoughts, observations, and opinions, but no matter what, we gonna have us LOTSA SPAS in the US before long, and that is great news. These little babies really deliver...
chickie 8)
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LOL.... Chick... have ya scraped the "MrodAir" logo off of yours yet?
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It seems like the Best Bang for the Buck PCP is made by SPA. I know my PP700 is unmatched in what it offers.
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Or Diana.... even.
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How about this one for $200: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130105.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130105.0)
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You mean the one?
http://mrodair.com/mrodair_airmax_varmint_pcp (http://mrodair.com/mrodair_airmax_varmint_pcp)
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How about this one for $200: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130105.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130105.0)
yup. That's a Snow Peak Airguns (aka SPA) PR900W.
Same folks that made my PP700 pistol.
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LOL.... Chick... have ya scraped the "MrodAir" logo off of yours yet?
Not yet, ha ha!
Thanks for the suggestion, though..
Every so often I have a batch of metal items that go out for sandblasting, maybe what my varmints need is a clean-up and a fresh look, hmmm...
Once they are completely modded, maybe I'll get all the metal camo-coated, and the stocks dipped, too.
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So!! After all those suggestions, it is time to jump in with a base price airgun to start the addiction???
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So!! After all those suggestions, it is time to jump in with a base price airgun to start the addiction???
It was one of the first guns suggested to me in this post. But with this gun sub-$400.00 packages can be achieved easily. Until you fall, then it just keeps adding up.
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LOL... like I said earlier Keith, Just think if you have started with that high dollar gun. We're never satisfied with just one. Ok, maybe we are but, it has to be just one.... of each.
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If it wasn't for Mrodair these SPA guns wouldn't be taking off like they have been in this forum. I'll leave their logo on mine for sure. It might not be long before I order another, I guess if the sales off at the end of the month I better do it before it's done.
Who knows how long it's going to be before the Diana version is available other than preorder. I'm not going to do the preorder thing anymore myself.
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Just an FYI...
Last session of e-mails I had with Mike ended with " ... stay tuned... "
Besides what he has on hand, I know he has at least a couple more pallets staged somewhere in Iowa.
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Just an FYI...
Last session of e-mails I had with Mike ended with " ... stay tuned... "
Besides what he has on hand, I know he has at least a couple more pallets staged somewhere in Iowa.
And he's gonna wanna move 'em before he get's stuck with them, imo..
Sooo, we''l see. I'm not above buying more things when the prices drop substantially, since I still have openings for several new guns for my posse, but in the long run, I'ma be shopping elsewhere whenever possible.
In addition to what we need here for my immediate family, now several of my siblings/cousins and/or their spouses want me to set some up for them, too, ha ha! Since when am I the PCP 'source'? I am used to being the family 'springer gal', ha ha, but suddenly, I am becoming their 'go-to girl' for pre-charge guns of all types... ???
I quit working on powder burner builds years ago, not sure I wanna go that route with PCPs at all, though a little extra cash would be nice, too, I suppose. Again, we'll see...
For now, I'll do it cuz I love 'em all. The SPA guns, I mean, extended family, not sooo much, ha ha haa. Just kidding, they are all fab!! ha!!
:-) chickie
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LOL.... my dear, you are quite formidable... I'll grant you that... ;)
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LOL.... my dear, you are quite formidable... I'll grant you that... ;)
Awww, thank you, Bill!
*blushing*
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LOL... like I said earlier Keith, Just think if you have started with that high dollar gun. We're never satisfied with just one. Ok, maybe we are but, it has to be just one.... of each.
Yea that is probably true. I started with a Daystate as my first PCP then worked myself down to the basement with the Maximus. Now I might reset and go back up to a FX Crown in .25
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Congrats to Keith on the duo! I really like my CP-1M, I'm sure you'll be enjoying them both. I realize the lack of customer service has turned people off a bit from Mrodair, but still, I'm a Canadian and I still feel that American pride lol, want to buy from the small time local guy. Mike has been good to me, responding to my emails even though I am a foreigner lol and apparently not a potential customer (won't ship to Canada), so that's probably why I still think well of his business. Id be buying a Varmint from him if I could! Anyway seems a shame if Diana takes away all his business, I hope he continues to do well and keeps bringing different guns in. Maybe if asked he'd get the new Lr700w, pump gun that uses the same mags. Nice looking gun! Plus he's getting in those CP2 carbines, makes me jealous lol!
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I'm thinking I would need one of those in my life.
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I'm thinking I would need one of those in my life.
+1
Me too. A SPA barrelled pumper with a dovetail. Steel and wood and magazines,. Yes please!
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Me three!for those not wanting to wait, Krale-schietsport.nl has them in stock :D
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Me three!for those not wanting to wait, Krale-schietsport.nl has them in stock :D
But the website says only available in EU.
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You know
For what it sounds like your looking to do with your first pcp I really think the gamo urban is worth a look
Yes I'm a little biased on the suggestion because I own one (and love it) however you stated you were looking for a gun you don't have to tinker with and just shoot out of the box and the gamo would give you
Exactly that
It's pretty light but very solidly built very accurate quiet with the stock moderator so no ldc to buy
And at over 20 fpe should handle small game hunting without a hitch mine does awesome !!
I feel like it would give you most of what u said u we're looking for and at the $269 wm price it would leave lots of room in your budget for scope hand pump or tank and plenty of ammo pretty sure you wouldn't be disappointed with the urban
It would be a take it out of the box mount a scope clean the barrel fill and go shooting pcp without any tinkering to be done no it isn't a daystate or brocock quality rifle however it is in my opinion a great quality entry level pcp rifle and a great value in the pcp arena
Welcome to the darkside 👍🏻👍🏻
Just my opinion 😎
Gamoshooter
Everything you say about the Gamo Urban is correct, My friend bought one and he loves it. I chose to go a little different route and picked up a reconditioned Hatsan AT44S -10 QE (available .177, .22 .25) I opted for the .177 at a price of $319.00 +$5.00 shipping from Hatsanusa... A $500 rifle for a tad over $300 (comes with two rotary magazines, sling and some extras) - count me in on this deal.. I am a happy camper to say the least.. A bit heavier than the Gamo tho'
Shooting Newboy 15.8 grain pellets at a tad over 900 fps and developing 28 fpe (accurate, fast and powerful) just begs for some distance work.. I love the 50,75,100 yard workouts...
Sometimes reconditioned items are actually new... Example: someone buys something from Amazon, takes delivery and the boss "Wife" says no, or has second thoughts about an impulse purchase and returns it to Amazon - Amazon can't sell it as a new item again, so they send it back to the distributor for a credit, the distributor can't sell it as a new item, so then they check it all over and reclassify it as "reconditioned", (second level of quality control)... I have never had any issues with any reconditioned items, but I have had some with "new" items...
Chuckle for the day: "I ain't too bright, but I can lift heavy things".. ;)
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You'll find plenty of very good rifles very well within your price range. Not sure exactly what you are looking for but a .22 Nova would fit the bill based on what your looking for quite well. Every one that has one seems to love them. Mrod and Hatsan for a first PCP are common recommendations among the forums with the general consensus that Hatsans are a bit more capable out of the box in terms of FPE.
I would say, don't make the same mistake I did and buy lower than your expectations first. You'll blow a lot of money getting what you want in the process. Fun journey but pricey.
I did the same thing - picked up a reconditioned Hatsan AT44S-10 QE in .177 and love it.. Not everyday that you can get a $500 air gun for a tad over $300.. Fast, powerful and accurate - love the side lever action too..
28 fpe from a .177 - yep, works for me..
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I was gonna say EunJin Sumatra 2500 in 22 cal....but you already got yourself a nice one... Congrats and welcome to the dark side
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Sumatra 2500 Carbine I can see in my future as well
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Sumatra 2500 Carbine I can see in my future as well
That is always a great choice,
now that you have your basic PCPs The Sumatra would cover the Power, Mean hunter, super PCP niche :) :)
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Sumatra 2500 Carbine I can see in my future as well
That is always a great choice,
now that you have your basic PCPs The Sumatra would cover the Power, Mean hunter, super PCP niche :) :)
That's what I was thinking
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Thread is going strong I see! Lol. Well I still feel the marauder .25 cal is the best bang for your buck overall, but that is a biased opinion as its one of the only few pcp's I've personally handled. The sumatra's seem great, hatsan is great, SPA has a few great options, but all that said they aren't american made rifles which I personally am not fond of. I prefer to stimulate the american economy in any way shape or form and would rather see my currency going back into our economy opposed to another countries economy, even if my few dollars are drops of water when compared to an ocean...
Do I buy things from other countries? Absolutely...but ONLY when they are UNAVAILABLE in our country and the means to obtain them in our country are either unreasonable or unfathomable. I will spend the extra few dollars to keep all the currency I spent in our economy opposed to another countries...
-Matt
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Thread is going strong I see! Lol. Well I still feel the marauder .25 cal is the best bang for your buck overall, but that is a biased opinion as its one of the only few pcp's I've personally handled. The sumatra's seem great, hatsan is great, SPA has a few great options, but all that said they aren't american made rifles which I personally am not fond of. I prefer to stimulate the american economy in any way shape or form and would rather see my currency going back into our economy opposed to another countries economy, even if my few dollars are drops of water when compared to an ocean...
Do I buy things from other countries? Absolutely...but ONLY when they are UNAVAILABLE in our country and the means to obtain them in our country are either unreasonable or unfathomable. I will spend the extra few dollars to keep all the currency I spent in our economy opposed to another countries...
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Marauder is Chinese made don't kid yourself,
but hey if it makes you feel good to believe it's American made....... :) :)
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Thread is going strong I see! Lol. Well I still feel the marauder .25 cal is the best bang for your buck overall, but that is a biased opinion as its one of the only few pcp's I've personally handled. The sumatra's seem great, hatsan is great, SPA has a few great options, but all that said they aren't american made rifles which I personally am not fond of. I prefer to stimulate the american economy in any way shape or form and would rather see my currency going back into our economy opposed to another countries economy, even if my few dollars are drops of water when compared to an ocean...
Do I buy things from other countries? Absolutely...but ONLY when they are UNAVAILABLE in our country and the means to obtain them in our country are either unreasonable or unfathomable. I will spend the extra few dollars to keep all the currency I spent in our economy opposed to another countries...
-Matt
Marauder is Chinese made don't kid yourself,
but hey if it makes you feel good to believe it's American made....... :) :)
Darn pirate took the words out of my mouth
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Me three!for those not wanting to wait, Krale-schietsport.nl has them in stock :D
But the website says only available in EU.
I contacted them and they will ship to USA. $250 USD with shipping + approx. $50 to get through customs.....I'll wait
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Me three!for those not wanting to wait, Krale-schietsport.nl has them in stock :D
But the website says only available in EU.
I contacted them and they will ship to USA. $250 USD with shipping + approx. $50 to get through customs.....I'll wait
for that kinda money I'd wait too!
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You'll find plenty of very good rifles very well within your price range. Not sure exactly what you are looking for but a .22 Nova would fit the bill based on what your looking for quite well. Every one that has one seems to love them. Mrod and Hatsan for a first PCP are common recommendations among the forums with the general consensus that Hatsans are a bit more capable out of the box in terms of FPE.
I would say, don't make the same mistake I did and buy lower than your expectations first. You'll blow a lot of money getting what you want in the process. Fun journey but pricey.
I did the same thing - picked up a reconditioned Hatsan AT44S-10 QE in .177 and love it.. Not everyday that you can get a $500 air gun for a tad over $300.. Fast, powerful and accurate - love the side lever action too..
28 fpe from a .177 - yep, works for me..
Welllll, well, well, Keith, ummm, sooo, how's that budget looking now? ;D
I see you've taken both the pill, and drank the Kool-Aid, ha ha!
Isn't it sweet down here, in the PCP rabbit hole?
Looks like you've started a very nice collection!
I would say +3 on a discounted AT44 series gun, they make excellent counterpoint to the little SPAs, and would serve alongside your Dominator well, too. I find the .25s to be more bang for the buck, but I did buy one in the other two calibers and have no regrets. They are a blast to shoot, even if a bit front-heavy. I'ma put bipods on mine, you could swap bipods with your Condor, I would think...
My first big bore will probably be a Hatsan, or maybe I'll convert one of my AT44s-10s down the road, maybe both, ha ha!
Yeah, it's warm and comfy, this here hole fulla rabbits, ain't it?
All for the love of slinging lead, I say, no worries! ;)
Welcome to The Darkside, we've been expecting you!
:-) chickie
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chickie
picked up a few while you were out, at some point I'll post pics of how deep the hole has gotten
glad to have ya back
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chickie
picked up a few while you were out, at some point I'll post pics of how deep the hole has gotten
glad to have ya back
That's the thing about a rabbit hole, it has many, many chambers, lol, and tunnels, and extra entrances and exits, ha ha!
The 'hole' is actually the way into a network of rooms that lie hidden from surface view, lol, once we wander in, we may never find our way back out, not that anybody would ever wanna leave, ha ha haaa!
You done good, K-man, yup!
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chickie
picked up a few while you were out, at some point I'll post pics of how deep the hole has gotten
glad to have ya back
That's the thing about a rabbit hole, it has many, many chambers, lol, and tunnels, and extra entrances and exits, ha ha!
The 'hole' is actually the way into a network of rooms that lie hidden from surface view, lol, once we wander in, we may never find our way back out, not that anybody would ever wanna leave, ha ha haaa!
You done good, K-man, yup!
Sounding a little evil there chickie lol
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chickie
picked up a few while you were out, at some point I'll post pics of how deep the hole has gotten
glad to have ya back
That's the thing about a rabbit hole, it has many, many chambers, lol, and tunnels, and extra entrances and exits, ha ha!
The 'hole' is actually the way into a network of rooms that lie hidden from surface view, lol, once we wander in, we may never find our way back out, not that anybody would ever wanna leave, ha ha haaa!
You done good, K-man, yup!
Sounding a little evil there chickie lol
Good catch, K-man, lol. Yeah, a darksider with a dark side, mhmm... ;)
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Evil with a side of Billy Bob Thornton..... mhmm.
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Evil with a side of Billy Bob Thornton..... mhmm.
Some folks call it a Kaiser blade, I call it a 'sling blade', mhmm...
I have been referred to as "the blonde Angelina Jolie", an apt description, seeing as she once wore a vial of Billy Bob's blood around her neck AND tamed the famed blonde hunkster, Brad Pitt, all in the same lifetime. Think 'Mr. and Mrs. Smith', and you'll catch my drift, ha ha!
Evil? ::)
Nawww, jus' a wee bit emancipated from most all the traditional shackles that bind my gender.
My Momma refused to raise ANY fools. In most cases, she succeeded, and was rewarded for her efforts, lol...
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Question for all......
What is the most words you've keyed into a reply before you decided not to hit "post"?
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"Blonde angelina jolie"
Ya gotta start doing air gun videos you would be a lot easier on the eyes than the current guys doing videos :)
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Question for all......
What is the most words you've keyed into a reply before you decided not to hit "post"?
Too many haha
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Dang it.... just did it again...
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Question for all......
What is the most words you've keyed into a reply before you decided not to hit "post"?
That's an option? ::)
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For some... :-X
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Question for all......
What is the most words you've keyed into a reply before you decided not to hit "post"?
On my computer at work, sometimes when I hit "post reply"...I would get an error message, and everything I typed gets wiped off >:(
A lot of times, if its a lengthy post, I get irked and just say "screw it" and don't bother posting anything ::)
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Question for all......
What is the most words you've keyed into a reply before you decided not to hit "post"?
On my computer at work, sometimes when I hit "post reply"...I would get an error message, and everything I typed gets wiped off >:(
A lot of times, if its a lengthy post, I get irked and just say "screw it" and don't bother posting anything ::)
That used to happen to me years ago on a German language AG forum, so I eventually got into the habit of using the 'select all' and 'copy' functions before hitting 'post'. It's annoying enough when it happens when writing in English, but after checking and rechecking my German posts for grammatical errors, only to lose the whole dang thing, I would be livid, lol. Yeah, my German is actually pretty dang good, or was, at least, but lemme tell ya, them 'doitchers' are really, really picky 'bout having 'their' language made into mince meat by their half-breed 'Amerikaner' kin, ha ha! Wanna know where my relentless obsessive compulsiveness comes from? Well, not from my Swedish side, thassafact, ha! ;)
I still do that routine, even here on GTA, to this day, and e'ry oncetinawile, it saves my butt, bigtime! 8)
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Question for all......
What is the most words you've keyed into a reply before you decided not to hit "post"?
On my computer at work, sometimes when I hit "post reply"...I would get an error message, and everything I typed gets wiped off >:(
A lot of times, if its a lengthy post, I get irked and just say "screw it" and don't bother posting anything ::)
That used to happen to me years ago on a German language AG forum, so I eventually got into the habit of using the 'select all' and 'copy' functions before hitting 'post'.
I try to do this as well, but a lot of times I forget >:(
It's a good thing you do this as a habit, Chickie, since your posts are novel lengths ;)
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Question for all......
What is the most words you've keyed into a reply before you decided not to hit "post"?
On my computer at work, sometimes when I hit "post reply"...I would get an error message, and everything I typed gets wiped off >:(
A lot of times, if its a lengthy post, I get irked and just say "screw it" and don't bother posting anything ::)
That used to happen to me years ago on a German language AG forum, so I eventually got into the habit of using the 'select all' and 'copy' functions before hitting 'post'.
I try to do this as well, but a lot of times I forget >:(
It's a good thing you do this as a habit, Chickie, since your posts are novel lengths ;)
Hey, now... :-[
It's been shown in studies that women say twice as many words than men, I guess that carries over into print, as well, ha ha!
Yeah, I'm a chatter, yup, yup..
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It's a good thing you do this as a habit, Chickie, since your posts are novel lengths ;)
Hey, now... :-[
It's been shown in studies that women say twice as many words than men, I guess that carries over into print, as well, ha ha!
Yeah, I'm a chatter, yup, yup..
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I would probably type out longer posts too, if I was able to type with all my digits instead of just my index and middle fingers hehe
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Yea, I'm late to partyy as usual but, I wish I hadda' jumped on this while you were looking Keith....I was looking for what Manny or Chacho had to say about this but, I got lazy and just decided to say my little piece...It looks like you got your hunting rifle in 25 cal, being the AirForce rifle, that's good.
But, I could have saved you a lot of trouble by suggesting you go straight for a Eun Jin Sumatra 8) 8) 8) 8)...highly tuneable, adjustable power, beautiful wood and steel, powerful and accurate all in the same gun....
I'm glad you got yourself some nice guns but, IMVHO, Shin Sung, Eun Jin, and Sam Yang are the top pure hunting rifles out there.
If you ever get the chance (that's if you're even interested) I'd grab a used one off the American Airgun Classifieds or Yellow Forum....they have them on there from time to time.....
HAVE FUN HUNTING, MY FRIEND!!!!
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Yea, I'm late to partyy as usual but, I wish I hadda' jumped on this while you were looking Keith....I was looking for what Manny or Chacho had to say about this but, I got lazy and just decided to say my little piece...It looks like you got your hunting rifle in 25 cal, being the AirForce rifle, that's good.
But, I could have saved you a lot of trouble by suggesting you go straight for a Eun Jin Sumatra 8) 8) 8) 8)...highly tuneable, adjustable power, beautiful wood and steel, powerful and accurate all in the same gun....
I'm glad you got yourself some nice guns but, IMVHO, Shin Sung, Eun Jin, and Sam Yang are the top pure hunting rifles out there.
If you ever get the chance (that's if you're even interested) I'd grab a used one off the American Airgun Classifieds or Yellow Forum....they have them on there from time to time.....
HAVE FUN HUNTING, MY FRIEND!!!!
They were recommended early on in the post and although I do not have one yet I will
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Yea, I'm late to partyy as usual but, I wish I hadda' jumped on this while you were looking Keith....I was looking for what Manny or Chacho had to say about this but, I got lazy and just decided to say my little piece...It looks like you got your hunting rifle in 25 cal, being the AirForce rifle, that's good.
But, I could have saved you a lot of trouble by suggesting you go straight for a Eun Jin Sumatra 8) 8) 8) 8)...highly tuneable, adjustable power, beautiful wood and steel, powerful and accurate all in the same gun....
I'm glad you got yourself some nice guns but, IMVHO, Shin Sung, Eun Jin, and Sam Yang are the top pure hunting rifles out there.
If you ever get the chance (that's if you're even interested) I'd grab a used one off the American Airgun Classifieds or Yellow Forum....they have them on there from time to time.....
HAVE FUN HUNTING, MY FRIEND!!!!
I'm quite sure I did suggest the Sumatra Carbine .25 earlier in the thread, maybe even more than once :) :) :) .........and you're absolutely right, can't go wrong with a Sumatra, pure hunters :)
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Yea, I'm late to partyy as usual but, I wish I hadda' jumped on this while you were looking Keith....I was looking for what Manny or Chacho had to say about this but, I got lazy and just decided to say my little piece...It looks like you got your hunting rifle in 25 cal, being the AirForce rifle, that's good.
But, I could have saved you a lot of trouble by suggesting you go straight for a Eun Jin Sumatra 8) 8) 8) 8)...highly tuneable, adjustable power, beautiful wood and steel, powerful and accurate all in the same gun....
I'm glad you got yourself some nice guns but, IMVHO, Shin Sung, Eun Jin, and Sam Yang are the top pure hunting rifles out there.
If you ever get the chance (that's if you're even interested) I'd grab a used one off the American Airgun Classifieds or Yellow Forum....they have them on there from time to time.....
HAVE FUN HUNTING, MY FRIEND!!!!
I'm quite sure I did suggest the Sumatra Carbine .25 earlier in the thread, maybe even more than once :) :) :) .........and you're absolutely right, can't go wrong with a Sumatra, pure hunters :)
You are correct you did suggest it from the get go and then again. And like I said for my power hunter multi shot Sumatra will be in my collection
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LOL... I doubt that any of us are done buying/selling/trading guns. Least I hope I'm not because that would mean I'm probably not waking up tomorrow.The Sumatra can be had. That Condor you bought has already got the good stuff done.. IMO.. AND... just LOOK at it.. that's almost tent pitchin' stuff right there. Can't login and order that off the shelf.
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LOL... I doubt that any of us are done buying/selling/trading guns. Least I hope I'm not because that would mean I'm probably not waking up tomorrow.The Sumatra can be had. That Condor you bought has already got the good stuff done.. IMO.. AND... just LOOK at it.. that's almost tent pitchin' stuff right there. Can't login and order that off the shelf.
That is true, and after I get Condi SuperSweet reset up I will pose her for some porn shots hahaha
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LOL... I doubt that any of us are done buying/selling/trading guns. Least I hope I'm not because that would mean I'm probably not waking up tomorrow.The Sumatra can be had. That Condor you bought has already got the good stuff done.. IMO.. AND... just LOOK at it.. that's almost tent pitchin' stuff right there. Can't login and order that off the shelf.
In response to the "good stuff" , I'm assuming you're referring to power and accuracy .....I would wager that a stock Sumatra 2500 is on par with a condors power level and accuracy both being stock....but I think where the Sumatra outshines the condors is the fact that it is a 6 shot revolver and let's not neglect to mention the oh so "KOOL" factor of having a lever action :D
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LOL... I doubt that any of us are done buying/selling/trading guns. Least I hope I'm not because that would mean I'm probably not waking up tomorrow.The Sumatra can be had. That Condor you bought has already got the good stuff done.. IMO.. AND... just LOOK at it.. that's almost tent pitchin' stuff right there. Can't login and order that off the shelf.
In response to the "good stuff" , I'm assuming you're referring to power and accuracy .....I would wager that a stock Sumatra 2500 is on par with a condors power level and accuracy both being stock....but I think where the Sumatra outshines the condors is the fact that it is a 6 shot revolver and let's not neglect to mention the oh so "KOOL" factor of having a lever action :D
I am a lever action and single shot fan myself. In powder burners I own several
The Ruger. No.1 I believe to be one of the most elegant production rifles.
I will own a Sumatra 2500 just because
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LOL... I doubt that any of us are done buying/selling/trading guns. Least I hope I'm not because that would mean I'm probably not waking up tomorrow.The Sumatra can be had. That Condor you bought has already got the good stuff done.. IMO.. AND... just LOOK at it.. that's almost tent pitchin' stuff right there. Can't login and order that off the shelf.
Ya think?
An' ya know what? There ain't a gosh-darned thing wrong with that, either. Most all of us bust our heinies to make our living, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with us buying the things that give us pleasure and joy with our hard-earned money. Air gunning, to me, is a lifestyle choice, not a dead end road to some perfect final solution.
It is the journey that makes it all soo rewarding, not the destination. Yeah, I 'invested' over 5 figures into air gun stuff this summer alone, but do I care? Nope. Does it matter if all my buys were great deals on stuff that will grow in value or not? Nope, not unless I make it matter. Yes, I did make good-to-great purchases on most items, but again, even if I paid full retail, so what? I have had earrings that cost far more than my entire current air gun 'collection'. And ya know what? I lost one, lol, an' I ain't gonna tell ya how, or where, but I will admit there was a fella involved, and yeah, maybe a tent was being pitched that night, too, ha ha. An' ya know what? I don't care, I had such fun, and the story still gives me chills. I loves me some camping, I ever mention that? ;)
Anyhoo, I don't suffer from guilt or shame, I do what I want, buy what I like, and live like this is all there is. No regrets, no remorse, just tons of fun, indoors, and out.
You're a funny fella, Billy, funny 'ha-ha', not funny 'queer'. I like that about you, a lot.
Am I off topic again? ::)
Well, in my defense, the thread title DOES start out with 'Best bang for '... Kinda got myself sidetracked...yeah..I made a necklace outta the one earring that survived, mhmm... ;)
8) chickie
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Darrell, I was hoping you'd chime in eventually. You and Manny are the reason the Sumatra keeps coming back to my list.
Anybody needed some convincing about how effective the Sumatra is, head over to the Hunting Gate or Manny's gate. Plenty of proof there. I dunno if it is the best bang for the buck PCP under $700, but IMO it is the best bang for the buck hunting PCP.
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LOL... I doubt that any of us are done buying/selling/trading guns. Least I hope I'm not because that would mean I'm probably not waking up tomorrow.The Sumatra can be had. That Condor you bought has already got the good stuff done.. IMO.. AND... just LOOK at it.. that's almost tent pitchin' stuff right there. Can't login and order that off the shelf.
In response to the "good stuff" , I'm assuming you're referring to power and accuracy .....I would wager that a stock Sumatra 2500 is on par with a condors power level and accuracy both being stock....but I think where the Sumatra outshines the condors is the fact that it is a 6 shot revolver and let's not neglect to mention the oh so "KOOL" factor of having a lever action :D
No NO NO , not comparing at all... If you look at the list of upgrades to the condor he bought you might see what I meant. Personally... I'd love to own a Sumatra but, unless I sell a bunch of my "keepers" I couldn't justify one... Same with tis Condor... I knew I couldn't have it so I pointed it out to the OP and he grabbed it.
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LOL... I doubt that any of us are done buying/selling/trading guns. Least I hope I'm not because that would mean I'm probably not waking up tomorrow.The Sumatra can be had. That Condor you bought has already got the good stuff done.. IMO.. AND... just LOOK at it.. that's almost tent pitchin' stuff right there. Can't login and order that off the shelf.
In response to the "good stuff" , I'm assuming you're referring to power and accuracy .....I would wager that a stock Sumatra 2500 is on par with a condors power level and accuracy both being stock....but I think where the Sumatra outshines the condors is the fact that it is a 6 shot revolver and let's not neglect to mention the oh so "KOOL" factor of having a lever action :D
No NO NO , not comparing at all... If you look at the list of upgrades to the condor he bought you might see what I meant. Personally... I'd love to own a Sumatra but, unless I sell a bunch of my "keepers" I couldn't justify one... Same with tis Condor... I knew I couldn't have it so I pointed it out to the OP and he grabbed it.
Oh Bill did I thank you for spending some more of my money lol
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Yup... That's what we do best here.
Looking forward to some posts on that one. The original owner said he was fighting accuracy and suggested he may have bit off more than he could chew. From what I have learned about the PCP game... well heck, the air gun game collectively for that matter.. It really comes down to a balance of consistent fps, pellet type/weight/size along with a good barrel and the ability to bring all that together in a shooter. I don't have the experience or the tooling to tackle porting and the likes. I'm good to adjust a TSS or chop and crown a barrel on a lego gun. With all the upgrades that Condor has I think I would be better off to send it to a qualified tuner.
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Yup... That's what we do best here.
Looking forward to some posts on that one. The original owner said he was fighting accuracy and suggested he may have bit off more than he could chew. From what I have learned about the PCP game... well heck, the air gun game collectively for that matter.. It really comes down to a balance of consistent fps, pellet type/weight/size along with a good barrel and the ability to bring all that together in a shooter. I don't have the experience or the tooling to tackle porting and the likes. I'm good to adjust a TSS or chop and crown a barrel on a lego gun. With all the upgrades that Condor has I think I would be better off to send it to a qualified tuner.
I won't know until I get several hundred rounds down range, sort some pellets, chrony etc
pellets just arrived but I have heavy winds so may do some indoor 15 meter test first
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Bud, you take your time and figure it out. Then make us all drool.
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Bud, you take your time and figure it out. Then make us all drool.
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For Sub 700 guns I am going to have to put the BSA scorpion near the top. Why? A few reasons many might not have thought of.
Its durable. The barrel is not shrouded so less to go wrong for POI.
The stock is heavy synthetic, probably the best I have used on air gun with a nice rubber but pad.
Accurate as any out to 50 yards
weight is decent and is well balanced.
I've seen this gun drop from 4 feet up to a concrete floor several times and it did nothing to it. Still shoots great.
Had I done the same thing to my Daystate it would have been a mess. I knew a guy that dropped his 2100 RAW from a similar height and the stock broke in half. Ruined it.
The BSA is built to last and take abuse in the field. None of my other air guns come close in this department. Many are too delicate.