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WHITEFANG · « **Reply #20 on:** August 02, 2012, 11:25:17 PM »

There are others out there with info but are holding back in fear of disclosure

sawtoothscream · « **Reply #21 on:** August 02, 2012, 11:50:58 PM »

think mike blues has tested the moller red and yellow and last I knew he was ordering a few custom fills to see what he likes best. might have to emial him and see what he has decided on.

WHITEFANG · « **Reply #22 on:** August 03, 2012, 12:20:12 AM »

Rams are no secret. Rams are offered overseas that do not look like anything like offered in the US.Yes even for protos for RWS. GETTING ONE IS ANOTHER STORY. You just need to do a search . Many other forums offer help. Just beware that not all the reports should be taken for your use. Not all claims are backed with truthful numbers and not all facts are shared for you to duplicate and get the same results.
JOA made claims that he was going to offer the conversions but I am yet to see and thing produced. Not that I would try one. CONVERSIONS ARE AGIAN NOT FOR ANYONE THAT IS NOT EXPERENCED WITH THE PROPERTIES OF AIT GUNS.

z28rod · « **Reply #23 on:** August 03, 2012, 04:03:59 AM »

Hey here is a great idea , why don't the owners just ask Dave and mike to come back to gta ?? They were posting some great stuff, I loved reading their posts .....

Bullit · « **Reply #24 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:42:31 AM »

I'll wait for Gene to get on his project, and report his thoughts.

WHITEFANG · « **Reply #25 on:** August 03, 2012, 01:58:16 PM »

If GENE is working on the ram it will be interesting what he reports.
Here is one of the rams used for the HATSAN overseas.

fortyshooter · « **Reply #26 on:** August 03, 2012, 02:49:04 PM »

I used to work with those cylinders in all sorts of sizes,during my metal stamping die builds and repairs,in the plant.
Back then I had no idea similar units were used in air rifles...this was 4 1/2 years ago.
There were smaller units that could possibly fit the springer type air pistols!
We would have to rebuild the gas rams,that could be repaired in house.
Miss those days sometimes!

gene_sc · « **Reply #27 on:** August 03, 2012, 05:08:35 PM »

In your picture of the gas ram in the piston. It is in the wrong direction. U dont want to hammer the gas end of ram every time you shoot the gun.

I am looking into the gas ram pressures at the moment. Talking with manufacturers about them. I may be getting a ram in soon for testing but only if it works out with dimensions and overall sweep of shaft. Let me be clear, I am not promoting them but merely trying to find out as much as I can and try and physically fit one to a Hatsan 125 for testing.

Gene

Quote from: WHITEFANG on August 03, 2012, 01:58:16 PM

If GENE is working on the ram it will be interesting what he reports.
Here is one of the rams used for the HATSAN overseas.

Paul68 · « **Reply #28 on:** August 03, 2012, 05:17:02 PM »

Thanks Gene. Will be interesting to see what you find if you decide to post about it.

AirHunter4Ever · « **Reply #29 on:** August 04, 2012, 01:25:49 AM »

Quote from: Paul68 on August 03, 2012, 05:17:02 PM

Thanks Gene. Will be interesting to see what you find if you decide to post about it.

Paul,

I be interested in reading about the gas ram conversions you said you have done. Was it really that easy ?

Thanks !

z28rod · « **Reply #30 on:** August 04, 2012, 08:59:28 AM »

Paul, you did gas ram testing ? Excellent now between you and Gene we will get some real good info. ive been thinking of gas raming my walther falcon hunter 25 cal. do you have any info. on that conversion ?

Paul68 · « **Reply #31 on:** August 04, 2012, 11:55:13 AM »

Quote from: z28rod on August 04, 2012, 08:59:28 AM

Paul, you did gas ram testing ? Excellent now between you and Gene we will get some real good info. ive been thinking of gas raming my walther falcon hunter 25 cal. do you have any info. on that conversion ?

Nope, never said I tested any gas rams.

AirHunter4Ever · « **Reply #32 on:** August 04, 2012, 04:42:50 PM »

Quote from: Paul68 on August 02, 2012, 11:19:03 PM

I can go into my garage and make any one of my magnums push 30+ FPE easy. That's not the hard part.

Paul,

I thought you meant using gas rams, since that was the topic and you gave links to some gas ram conversions.

Would you be willing to share your Spring conversions that you have used to get your rifles up over 30 fpe?

I think getting a break-barrel up into the 33+ fpe range is very interesting, particularly since my interest is hunting and I like the ability to leave the rifle cocked for extended periods of time, that a gas ram would allow.

The only person I have seen doing that with spring-powered rifles is Chris Pryjomski of C.A.P. Airgun Research.

WHITEFANG · « **Reply #33 on:** August 04, 2012, 04:58:17 PM »

Not changing the subject of THIS but being a spring person and dealing mainly in the RWS 350'S i AM more interested as well in the springs. Yes PAUL share some light on THIS. HATSAN BEING NEW THERE IS LITTLE INFO ON THE SPRING THAT IS TO BECOME THE DINASOR IN THE FUTURE SO SOME SAY.

Paul68 · « **Reply #34 on:** August 04, 2012, 06:40:30 PM »

Quote from: AirHunter4Ever on August 04, 2012, 04:42:50 PM

Quote from: Paul68 on August 02, 2012, 11:19:03 PM
I can go into my garage and make any one of my magnums push 30+ FPE easy. That's not the hard part.

Would you be willing to share your Spring conversions that you have used to get your rifles up over 30 fpe?

No, I wouldn't.

WHITEFANG · « **Reply #35 on:** August 04, 2012, 06:57:25 PM »

I see how this WORKS!! THIS HAS BECOME A NONE SHARE CONFINALITY THING!!!
THIS IS ALRIGHT WITH ME! IT GOES BOTH WAYS AN I RESPECT YOUR DEALINGS AND THOUGHTS.

MUCH LATER!!!

dale17589 · « **Reply #36 on:** August 04, 2012, 07:56:28 PM »

Whitefang: I just looked up on Hawke Chairgun Pro and it would take a 14.3 gr. pellet at 979 fps to get 30.5 ft.lbs.of energy. I just got a new F1 chrony today and my new Hatsan Mod 95 replacement rifle ( tuned by Rick) was going 808 fps using a 14.3 pellet for 20 ft lbs energy. My recently purchased RAM ( tuned by MM ) was only doing 680 fps using the same 14.3 pellet which to me was very surprising ( and disappointing). But it is what it is. I will not be surprised when the same people that won't share info will be the first to dispute info provided by someone else by saying that person is not qualified or something to that effect. I've seen it over and over, really getting tired of the child's play. Sorry for the rant. Dale

Paul68 · « **Reply #37 on:** August 04, 2012, 08:14:35 PM »

I was not aware that I had an obligation to answer each and every question put to me. I was also unaware that hints were so hard to understand these days.

I choose not to enter into discussion with certain members for personal reasons. Also, I have answered Fang privately.

To be blunt, I've gone wayyyyyy above and beyond the realm of simply "sharing", to the point of fabricating and providing parts to members on my own time and dime, spending hours putting together how to manuals, and a whole *(&^ of a lot more that is really no ones business. I don't appreciate the unfounded "rants" regarding how I wont share, particularly when those making them have no idea whatsoever what it is they are commenting on.

Satisfied?

dale17589 · « **Reply #38 on:** August 04, 2012, 08:19:42 PM »

Paul68. I understand crystal clear and I am totally satisfied. Have a great day. Dale

AirHunter4Ever · « **Reply #39 on:** August 04, 2012, 09:34:50 PM »

Paul,

I sincerely hope your comments weren't directed at me.

I am very interested in gas ram conversions and merely asked you questions, based on what you have posted. Since you mentioned it, I felt you would be willing to show what you have worked on and talk about it. Obviously, I was wrong about that.

I'm sorry if I touched a nerve or made you uncomfortable by asking you to share more information about your projects. I hope you'll reconsider sharing your data in the future.

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