New Seneca Dragonfly?

[Spacebus]

Why can't tom mount things to the receiver like the rest of us? There's no need to remove the muzzle brake, front sight, or any of that mess. I have a holo sight mounted on my bandit and it does great.

[Firewalker]

I think I missed the point, was Tom looking for a cleaned up look?

[Keepingitsimple]

Tom Gaylord posted this morning how to mount a red dot sight to the MK2.
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/03/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-six/

Easy peasy. All one has to do is remove the rear sight, the front sight and the muzzle brake.
Here's a pic of the finished product: (and yes, the MK2 definitely needs a barrel band now.)
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/03-08-22-04-Dragonfly-free-floa

Seems to me there are better ways to mount a red dot or other optics. Tom must be out of those items I would use.

The 25 yard accuracy test with the red dot sight he mounted should be pretty interesting if he is going to go ahead without adding a barrel band to the Mk2.

[Spacebus]

I don't think a second barrel band is a requisite for accuracy. I have a second band on my Stormrider, but the barrel still floats. I can take it out without loosening either band, and that goes for my other SPA gun as well with short or long barrel. If the breech is not aligned properly with the air tube, then you will not be able to slide the barrel out without loosening the bands and is no longer floating. I think a lot of people with bad accuracy out of SPA guns have a poorly aligned breech which is then forces the barrel into a curved shape by the barrel band(s). The benefit of having any barrel bands is to kelp keep POI locked in if the barrel is bumped, plus adding a band to a Bandit or Stormrider gives a short bottom pic rail. I also think they look better with a second barrel band, but that is purely subjective.

I really don't understand why Tom chose to mount his optic to the barrel band instead of the breech. There are also aftermarket rail options that fit between the factory barrel band and breech.

[Keepingitsimple]

10y accuracy test with a red dot sight.
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/03/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-7/
Tom said the trigger isn't working right.

"At this time in the test the trigger stopped firing the rifle every time. I would pull and pull and nothing happened. I eventually discovered that if I wiggled the trigger blade back and forth the trigger would work, but I am quite sure I slightly threw several shots in this group because I was playing with the trigger."

[Back_Roads]

 IIR the DF2 has an adjustable trigger, that may have worked its way out of adjustment

[JoninMA]

I don't get how, in his own words, this is the next best pumper to the Sheridan Supergrade if the trigger stopped working during testing? Sure, he's a an airgun salesman, (albeit he spends wayyyy too much time drifting from his straight edge razor hobby, to motorcycles, firearms, cats, jobs he had in his 20's, etc.) but that makes zero sense.

[avator]

LOL..... ShamWOW comes to mind.

[Back_Roads]

 LOL Sham Wow. A local radio station DJ's got fired, when they tested the sham wows absorbency over their control panel 

[Spacebus]

I don't get how, in his own words, this is the next best pumper to the Sheridan Supergrade if the trigger stopped working during testing? Sure, he's a an airgun salesman, (albeit he spends wayyyy too much time drifting from his straight edge razor hobby, to motorcycles, firearms, cats, jobs he had in his 20's, etc.) but that makes zero sense.

The same reason you have to check the screws on a pumper or springer while breaking it in. I'm sure the trigger adjustment screws backed out. I had this problem with my Bandit before I put loctite on the adjustment grub screws. I'm sure you've made a silly mistake in your life, it doesn't mean you are incapable.

[splitbeing]

I wonder how the transfer port will compare/contrast to the original Dragonfly, particularly in .177 (which has seemed a .22 bias).

[Spacebus]

I wonder how the transfer port will compare/contrast to the original Dragonfly, particularly in .177 (which has seemed a .22 bias).

I assume this will use the same transfer port as the rest of the variations of this platform.

[JoninMA]

I'm familiar with the adjustment screw backing out from use, a minor issue but that alone would knock it down quite a few pegs from the next best thing since a Supergrade. Maybe it's me.

[Spacebus]

I'm familiar with the adjustment screw backing out from use, a minor issue but that alone would knock it down quite a few pegs from the next best thing since a Supergrade. Maybe it's me.

So the Sheridans never had screws back out, ever? My c362 had to have all screws torqued after 20-ish shots. This is just normal airgun break in stuff. I get that none of you want something that could best the legendary Sheridans and Benjamins of old, but it's time to let the torch get passed.

[Keepingitsimple]

1,170 Pumps! Testing Dragonfly Mark 2 Power Output
https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/1170-pumps-testing-dragonfly-mark-2-power-output/

Quote:
However, as 686 FPS was achieved using 12 pumps, it’s clear that an additional three – to the maximum of 15 pumps – only added a further 10 FPS. Is that worthwhile? My aching arms said no…

Turning now to the heavier pellets. Here’s the results for the 19.0 Grain heavies.

This time, the maximum was 622 FPS after 15 pumps. As the gun produced 621 FPS after 12 pumps, it’s pretty clear that the Dragonfly was maxed out at that point.

The gun tested by HAM – serial number 1721229955214566J (can you believe that?) – produced a maximum of 15.4 Ft/Lbs with the Premier HPs. But with 15.0Ft/Lbs being achieved after 12 pumps, that’s the sweet spot for us.

Moving on to the heavier pellets, we see an increase in Muzzle Energy, as expected. This time it peaked at 16.3 Ft/Lbs after 15 pumps. Twelve pumps gave 16.2 Ft/Lbs.

This makes it obvious that the heavier pellets give a significant increase in power output for the same number of pumps. It also shows that – should you be happy with, for example, 14 Ft/Lbs of Muzzle Energy – that can be achieved by 8 pumps if shooting 19 Grain pellets. A total of 11 pumps will be necessary to match that power level using the 14.3 Grain pellet.

That’s a big argument in favor of using heavier pellets with the Dragonfly, right there.
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WOW! C362 performance for $100 more......

[Keepingitsimple]

Big question for me right now is how does one make the Mk2 pump quiet? It's already been established the pump linkage makes a 'click' sound when the pump arm is closed.

[Spacebus]

My c362 pump action is far louder than even my Daisly 901. We get it, you really don't like the Dragonfly MKII.

[19Sheridan57]

I'm familiar with the adjustment screw backing out from use, a minor issue but that alone would knock it down quite a few pegs from the next best thing since a Supergrade. Maybe it's me.

So the Sheridans never had screws back out, ever? My c362 had to have all screws torqued after 20-ish shots. This is just normal airgun break in stuff. I get that none of you want something that could best the legendary Sheridans and Benjamins of old, but it's time to let the torch get passed.

    NO, they never had screws back out . You didn’t even need to “ break in “ Sheridan air rifles. They were all accurate right out of the box, unlike the ones mentioned in this thread.

[Spacebus]

I'm familiar with the adjustment screw backing out from use, a minor issue but that alone would knock it down quite a few pegs from the next best thing since a Supergrade. Maybe it's me.

So the Sheridans never had screws back out, ever? My c362 had to have all screws torqued after 20-ish shots. This is just normal airgun break in stuff. I get that none of you want something that could best the legendary Sheridans and Benjamins of old, but it's time to let the torch get passed.

    NO, they never had screws back out . You didn’t even need to “ break in “ Sheridan air rifles. They were all accurate right out of the box, unlike the ones mentioned in this thread.

Then why aren't they around anymore? There are plenty of posts on this forum about fasteners loosening up on all kinds of high end and low end guns. I'm just not sure why it matters.

[avator]

I guess only time will tell.

I'm sure there will be folks that love the Dragonfly.. I just won't be one of them.