New Seneca Dragonfly?

[Spacebus]

I understand Diana Stormrider and DF MK2 utilize the same breech type
and scope mounting would pose the same issues for both.
For those folks who plan to install a scope (especially a Bug Buster) on their DF MK2,
there is an interesting article over at hardairmagazine.com titled
"Diana Stormrider Scope Mounting – Some Tricks And Tips"
by Stephen ArcherJuly 8, 2019

Here's an interesting part of that article:

However, once you try to install a magazine into the breech, you’ll likely find that the mag will contact the scope and not fit correctly into place.
https://hardairmagazine.com/buyers-guides/diana-stormrider-scope-mounting-some-tricks-and-tips/

or you can just use a single shot tray. Again, I have a Stormrider and Bandit, one has a scope and one has a red dot. This is a non-issue, many PCP's use magazines that require taller scope rings, and the DF MKII is based on a PCP.

Tom Gaylord seems to think this is more than a non issue.

Single shot tray slides easily
I’m shooting with the single shot tray and it slides out of place easily. As my finger tries to put the pellet into the trough the tray slides out of position. I wish it would stay in place a little better.
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/02/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-four/

Weak magnet, maybe?

It's great that you haven't had any trouble with your stormrider.  Since the hardairmagazine article states its likely the mag will contact the scope and not fit correctly into place, it makes me wonder how many stormrider and/or dragonfly owners have had difficulties?

If the magazine contacts the scope, adjust the scope like in the blog post (they had zero issues, perhaps you didn't read it?), use taller scope rings, or use shorter aftermarket magazines. It is literally that simple. The breech and magazines on a Stormrider are identical to the DF MKII. If I were to use the OEM magazines with the current scope rings I have, the magazine would contact the scope. I prefer CARM magazines, which also have a bit less profile, and they allow me to use a lower pair of scope rings. I also have scope rings that will clear the OEM magazine, I just don't like how high it places the scope, which is personal preference. Some shooters may want tall scope rings just to work better with their preferences, and then have no issues with the magazine.

Many people have been shooting thousands of PCP's and CO2 guns using the SPA metal breech with scopes for many years. This is not a new platform. If you check the comments of the link I posted to the DF MKI blog posts you will see many readers with SPA guns with scopes mounted. There are basically unlimited scope and ring options on the market, enough to suit any shooter seeking to put a scope on a DF MKII, or any SPA gun with this breech.

I will grant you that the breech isn't very long, especially forward of the magazine well. This keeps it light and less expensive, but also forces the front ring placement on most scopes. There are cantilevered mounts and aftermarket rail extensions for the breech (much like the Crosman "lego" guns) that can allow for more flexible scope mounting options.

My SST's for both of my .22 breeches and my .177 breech do not slide easily. Could just be a bad magnet or two on the demo rifle that Tom has.

Using the SST allows you to mount whatever optics you want and have no issues with magazine fitment, and the c362 doesn't even have the option for a magazine. You also can't mount a scope directly to a c362 without buying aftermarket rail mounts or a metal breech, which pushes the cost closer to the DF MKII. The factory sights on the c362 are better than the DF MKII/Stormrider, I'll grant you that. The factory sights on the SPA products are barely acceptable for 25 yard shooting, and I don't use them, but I've seen a few GTA members that love their Stormrider iron sights.

I think it's funny that you added to Tom's post.

[Firewalker]

Are we speaking about the Bandit and Chaser breech as well? Isn't this also an SPA breech?

[Spacebus]

Are we speaking about the Bandit and Chaser breech as well? Isn't this also an SPA breech?

Yes, it's basically the same breech. The Bandit/Chase breech has a square profile on the back and holes to mount a rear sight and the bolt is usually on the left hand side.

[Ultramarine]

I really don't know why there are these claims about mags not fitting a scoped SPA gun, specifically this platform. As you can see below there is plenty of room. And those are medium rings. An over weight cockroach could easily walk through there.... 

+1
I don't know if mine (an Artemis LR700W from Krale) has a low, medium or high mount but it works perfectly, although there's not too much room between the rear sight and the scope. Incidentally, this rifle is really accurate and, I insist, it don't feel  pumping it as a workout, as far I limit myself to 6 strokes and one or two  9 shots sessions.

[Keepingitsimple]

All due respect but I don't place Mister Gaylord on a pedestal as some do.... 
I read his blog regarding guns I'm interested in, as well and many others.
It's kinda like one religion telling me I'm going to the devil if I don't follow their interpretation and another saying the same thing about theirs. And trust me, their are plenty of interpretations out there.
Who is right, who is wrong.... I reckon we won't know until it's too late.

Lets not elaborate on the analogy... that's not the topic.

I've been reading Gaylords blog since 2009. After I became fond of it for the same reasons as you mentioned, I went back and read all of his reports / tests all the way back. His reports / tests influenced several of my air gun purchases.

That said, I don't put him on a pedestal either. Here's what kills me about his coverage of the Mk2.
PA has the C362 in stock. Why isn't Gaylord doing a report on that?

Maybe because the Mk2 costs twice as much? Trying to sell the more expensive, (and similar performing)  product?

Look at this one, for example?

Trigger
You guys are gonna love this one because this rifle just keeps getting better. The Dragonfly Mark 2 trigger is two stage. Stage one is very long and stage two breaks crisply. And I do mean crisply. I don’t believe a lawyer has ever held this rifle!

Stage one of the trigger pull takes 2 pounds 14 ounces. Stage two breaks right at 4 pounds. Oh, go ahead and sit on your couches and gripe about the numbers if you want. I once saw reader Kevin guess that the 3-pound trigger pull on my Wilson Combat 1911 was one pound . That’s how nice this trigger is. It’s not adjustable and it doesn’t need to be.
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/02/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-one/

Mk2 has a non adjustable, 4 pound trigger?

Lovely. Most of the triggers on my airguns have a pull of 2 lbs or less.
Trigger pull on my 362 isn't 2# yet. I've been having too much fun shooting it to do any further trigger work.

After it passed the can test with flying colors at 4 pumps and 17.5 yards; I sighted it in at 25 yards using 6 pumps.

[Keepingitsimple]

Come to think of it: the Mk2 should be able to do the can test even better than either the C362 or the woodstocked C392 (synthetic 392 probably can too, but who cares about that one?).

We're all on the same page with the 'can test', aren't we?

Sheridan / Benjamin's trademark (along with 10y/.50 accuracy) promotion of giving the 392 four pumps for approx 515 fps / 8.4 fpe and shooting a can through and through at 15 yards? It's a good baseline for backyard hunting.

Isn't the MK2 good for 518 fps at 3 pumps?

That thought sure does get my 'Hmm...' sense to start twitching.

[dhd]

Anyone know if the DF MK2 has a choked barrel ?
I thought the Crosman 362 had a choked barrel but now I understand it does not.

[Spacebus]

Anyone know if the DF MK2 has a choked barrel ?
I thought the Crosman 362 had a choked barrel but now I understand it does not.

It's a safe assumption, my other SPA stuff has choked barrels.

[Keepingitsimple]

Welp, I was hoping I could post Gaylords 25 yard accuracy test of the MK2 with its new red dot sight today. Unfortunately, Tom has a new toy to test this week.

Apparently, Crosman is now selling its PCP version of the Diana Stormrider, called the "Icon".
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/03/crosman-icon-part-one/

[Tpatner412]

Welp, I was hoping I could post Gaylords 25 yard accuracy test of the MK2 with its new red dot sight today. Unfortunately, Tom has a new toy to test this week.

Apparently, Crosman is now selling its PCP version of the Diana Stormrider, called the "Icon".
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/03/crosman-icon-part-one/

The Icon is not made by SPA.  More along the lines of the QB Chief series of guns

[avator]

I would like to see a barrel band on that gun.

[Keepingitsimple]

Welp, I was hoping I could post Gaylords 25 yard accuracy test of the MK2 with its new red dot sight today. Unfortunately, Tom has a new toy to test this week.

Apparently, Crosman is now selling its PCP version of the Diana Stormrider, called the "Icon".
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/03/crosman-icon-part-one/

The Icon is not made by SPA.  More along the lines of the QB Chief series of guns

Yes, the Icon is not made by SPA. The Icon is made by Crosman.

Not a Beeman Chief II
Reader RidgeRunner said the following.

“Well, what TCFKAC has done is what they typically do. They repackaged the Beeman Chief 2 and call it their own. The packaging is kind of expensive also.”

Sorry, RidgeRunner, but I looked it over and the Icon is not a Beeman Chief II. It has some similar features like the bolt and the magazine/single-shot tray. Heck, the mags probably interchange. My Wilson Combat 1911 can use Colt 1911 magazines, too. It would be silly not to make it that way. But you can’t call my pistol a Colt.

The Icon’s trigger and safety are completely different, the rear sight and air tube hanger are different and more. The Icon has a threaded muzzle.

Companies are prone to use existing designs that have worked for them in the past. Look at Weihrauch. There is a lot of similarity among their springers. Or Diana. Remember the 34/36/38, and the 48/52? But it’s too much of a stretch to say the Icon is a repackaged Beeman Chief II.

Today I am testing the Crosman Icon. Believe me — there is plenty to consider here!
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/03/crosman-icon-part-two/

[Keepingitsimple]

I would like to see a barrel band on that gun.

Me too.

[Robert 5mm]

My morning reading usually involves looking at Tom Gaylord's blog to see if it is of any interest to me.

Now I can get a re-run, Thanks for the information.

[Keepingitsimple]

I understand Diana Stormrider and DF MK2 utilize the same breech type
and scope mounting would pose the same issues for both.
For those folks who plan to install a scope (especially a Bug Buster) on their DF MK2,
there is an interesting article over at hardairmagazine.com titled
"Diana Stormrider Scope Mounting – Some Tricks And Tips"
by Stephen ArcherJuly 8, 2019

Here's an interesting part of that article:

However, once you try to install a magazine into the breech, you’ll likely find that the mag will contact the scope and not fit correctly into place.
https://hardairmagazine.com/buyers-guides/diana-stormrider-scope-mounting-some-tricks-and-tips/

or you can just use a single shot tray. Again, I have a Stormrider and Bandit, one has a scope and one has a red dot. This is a non-issue, many PCP's use magazines that require taller scope rings, and the DF MKII is based on a PCP.

Tom Gaylord seems to think this is more than a non issue.

Single shot tray slides easily
I’m shooting with the single shot tray and it slides out of place easily. As my finger tries to put the pellet into the trough the tray slides out of position. I wish it would stay in place a little better.
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/02/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-four/

Weak magnet, maybe?

It's great that you haven't had any trouble with your stormrider.  Since the hardairmagazine article states its likely the mag will contact the scope and not fit correctly into place, it makes me wonder how many stormrider and/or dragonfly owners have had difficulties?

I think it's funny that you added to Tom's post.

This part?
Repost:
Paraphrasing Mr. Gaylords last sentence:

Added to all that the C362 is less costly than the Mk2 Dragonfly. What’s not to like?
-
Paraphrasing: A restatement of a text or passage in another form or other words
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/paraphrasing

[Keepingitsimple]

My morning reading usually involves looking at Tom Gaylord's blog to see if it is of any interest to me.

Now I can get a re-run, Thanks for the information.

You're welcome.
Tom dropped the ball with this one:

Killing snakes with an airgun
by Tom Gaylord (B.B. Pelletier) August 30, 2006
 This is not your normal posting, because I don’t usually discuss killing critters with airguns. That’s not going to change, but a question last week prompted me to write this one post. A reader asked if there was a good semiauto pellet gun for under $100 that he might use to kill venomous snakes. Of course, there is no semiauto pellet rifle for less than $100 and even if there was, it wouldn’t be the thing for hunting snakes. What you want is a single-shot breakbarrel.
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006/08/killing-snakes-with-an-airgun/

Tom was posting of the phenomena of how rattlers will strike at a pellet shot at them. A pellet shot from a springer will often hit them between the eyes.

However....

A good semi auto pellet rifle under $100 to kill venomous snakes would be the Crosman 1077.
Mine flat out shreds them out to 15 yards.

[Tpatner412]

Welp, I was hoping I could post Gaylords 25 yard accuracy test of the MK2 with its new red dot sight today. Unfortunately, Tom has a new toy to test this week.

Apparently, Crosman is now selling its PCP version of the Diana Stormrider, called the "Icon".
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/03/crosman-icon-part-one/

The Icon is not made by SPA.  More along the lines of the QB Chief series of guns

Yes, the Icon is not made by SPA. The Icon is made by Crosman.

Not a Beeman Chief II
Reader RidgeRunner said the following.

“Well, what TCFKAC has done is what they typically do. They repackaged the Beeman Chief 2 and call it their own. The packaging is kind of expensive also.”

Sorry, RidgeRunner, but I looked it over and the Icon is not a Beeman Chief II. It has some similar features like the bolt and the magazine/single-shot tray. Heck, the mags probably interchange. My Wilson Combat 1911 can use Colt 1911 magazines, too. It would be silly not to make it that way. But you can’t call my pistol a Colt.

The Icon’s trigger and safety are completely different, the rear sight and air tube hanger are different and more. The Icon has a threaded muzzle.

Companies are prone to use existing designs that have worked for them in the past. Look at Weihrauch. There is a lot of similarity among their springers. Or Diana. Remember the 34/36/38, and the 48/52? But it’s too much of a stretch to say the Icon is a repackaged Beeman Chief II.

Today I am testing the Crosman Icon. Believe me — there is plenty to consider here!
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/03/crosman-icon-part-two/

The Icon is not made in New York by Crosman, it says made in China on the side of the gun.  When I say it's more along the lines of a Chief, I mean it's from that lineage and factory. Has Crosman made it their own, absolutely...they do this with most things that they bring in from other parts of the world (think about the Craftsman line that is made in Turkey).

And to be clear, I am not saying it's not made by Crosman, as they spend their time, money, and resources to bring these products into the US market and they also support these products on the back end with parts and warranty service. So while it may not be made in house, it still bears the brand name and comes with their backing/support and that definitely counts for something. IMO, that same line of thinking should also be applied to other manufacturers in the industry (most of them in my experience), as many of them invest considerable time, effort, and money into the development of new products and continued support down the line.

Just my two cents, don't want to further hijack the thread.

[dhd]

I noticed hardairmagazine did a recent muzzle velocity/energy test on the Dragonfly MK2 (07 march 2022)
using the same pellets that were used on the Crosman 362 muzzle velocity/energe test (11 Jan 2022)
Hopefully the energy charts are readable and I'm allowed to post them.



Trying to post velocity charts, I hope they are readable.

[Keepingitsimple]

Tom Gaylord posted this morning how to mount a red dot sight to the MK2.
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/03/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-six/

Easy peasy. All one has to do is remove the rear sight, the front sight and the muzzle brake.
Here's a pic of the finished product: (and yes, the MK2 definitely needs a barrel band now.)
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/03-08-22-04-Dragonfly-free-floa

[Back_Roads]

 Seems to me there are better ways to mount a red dot or other optics. Tom must be out of those items I would use.