New Seneca Dragonfly?

[avator]

C'mon guys.... let's just drop it and move on... this banter is very non productive.

David... yes, the added weight has to come from the pump linkage. I have not owned or handled either gun personally so that would be the only guess on my part. Both guns are virtually identical other wise.

Thank you Bill; for being forthcoming.
That is the conclusion I came to myself.

As you pointed out, these rifles have a specific platform.
The stormrider weighing 5 pounds.
For the dragonfly, a pump linkage was added and the weight went up to 5.65 lbs.
The Mk2 has a heavier pump linkage than the dragonfly, so the weight went up to 6.5 lbs.

Ergo, the pump linkage of the Mk2 weighs 1.5 pounds.
Which is 23% of the weight of the rifle.

Is that significant? Might be.

Being new to airguns and all like David claimed about me, naturally I do not understand how this rifle can be quietened?

How does one silence that metal in the middle of the pump linkage without disabling the linkage itself?
Is that significant? Yeah, definitely might be.

Isn't our mutual aim to be accurate?
(Sorry about the 2 puns.)

One thing you forgot...
The Stormrider is a PCP. The Dragonfly and the MK2 both also have a pump piston in them that a PCP does not have.

[Spacebus]

C'mon guys.... let's just drop it and move on... this banter is very non productive.

David... yes, the added weight has to come from the pump linkage. I have not owned or handled either gun personally so that would be the only guess on my part. Both guns are virtually identical other wise.

Thank you Bill; for being forthcoming.
That is the conclusion I came to myself.

As you pointed out, these rifles have a specific platform.
The stormrider weighing 5 pounds.
For the dragonfly, a pump linkage was added and the weight went up to 5.65 lbs.
The Mk2 has a heavier pump linkage than the dragonfly, so the weight went up to 6.5 lbs.

Ergo, the pump linkage of the Mk2 weighs 1.5 pounds.
Which is 23% of the weight of the rifle.

Is that significant? Might be.

Being new to airguns and all like David claimed about me, naturally I do not understand how this rifle can be quietened?

How does one silence that metal in the middle of the pump linkage without disabling the linkage itself?
Is that significant? Yeah, definitely might be.

Isn't our mutual aim to be accurate?
(Sorry about the 2 puns.)

The 1 lb increase over the MK1 is obviously the linkage, longer pump tube, longer pump arm, muzzle brake, and longer barrel.

The magazine functions with a scope exactly the same as a Diana Bandit, Chaser, Stormrider, Trailscout, and Airbug, but there is a Seneca logo on the side rather than SPA, Snowpeak, MROD Air, Artemis, or Diana. This is a proven platform with many different guns built on it. Much like how many car companies build an SUV, hatchback, and sedan all on the same platform. In some cases, like VAG with VW and Audi, many different cars are built on the same platform. When things share a platform, but are different models, they can have very different attributes.

The breech on the DF MKI, MKII, and all the stuff I listed in the previous paragraph all use the same breech, magazines, and single shot trays.

Your comments, intended or not, come off very abrasive and belligerent and your apparent total lack of awareness as to how a magazine can work with a scope makes you sound like a troll.

Thanks for posting all of the glowing reviews for this new rifle. I look forward to placing an order this spring.

[Keepingitsimple]

The 1 lb increase over the MK1 is obviously the linkage, longer pump tube, longer pump arm, muzzle brake, and longer barrel.

Your comments, intended or not, come off very abrasive and belligerent and your apparent total lack of awareness as to how a magazine can work with a scope makes you sound like a troll.

Thanks for posting all of the glowing reviews for this new rifle. I look forward to placing an order this spring.

Doesn't it say in your signature ... 'Chronic thread derailer' ... as the libeled pot said to the kettle?
Who derails threads? Is it what you're accusing me of being?

As do your comments D.J., intended or not, come off very abrasive and belligerent to me. I'm not the only person who has noticed this.

But, as its my posts that matter to you? Ok, point out my posts which appear very abrasive and belligerent to you and I'll select your posts which appear very abrasive and belligerent to me and we'll see who has more very abrasive and belligerent posts.

Does that sound fair to you?

I was asking how the magazine works with this gun and a scope. No other.
I'll remind you that I posted of how the two guys in the vid (one of whom is an AV exec) I posted at Reply #41 are the ones who expressed doubts of being able to mount anything other than a compact scope or a red dot.

You know that, yet you want to make it about me ... instead of the AV exec and the reviewer in the vid. That is both misleading to others and misrepresents what I actually posted.

I can see what you're doing. You're not the only one doing it. 3 or 4 lines of praise with a line of snark.

Two can play that game, you know. But, why don't we try getting along instead?

[Keepingitsimple]

One thing you forgot...
The Stormrider is a PCP. The Dragonfly and the MK2 both also have a pump piston in them that a PCP does not have.

I thought I included it, but yeah, I could have worded it better.

Stormrider weighs 5 pounds.
Ok yeah....
Pump linkage ...and piston ... adds 0.65 lbs.
Pump linkage of the cicada (Heh) adds another 0.85 lbs.

[avator]

Guys... I think if y'all read the rules to the forum you'll see that personal beefs are to be restricted to PM.
For me, any useful information in this thread is being shadowed by this constant back and forth.
Please, consider the rest of us..... especially the OP.

[Keepingitsimple]

Guys... I think if y'all read the rules to the forum you'll see that personal beefs are to be restricted to PM.
For me, any useful information in this thread is being shadowed by this constant back and forth.
Please, consider the rest of us..... especially the OP.

You're absolutely right, Bill.

I don't have a personal beef with spacebus or firewalker per se; yet both of them attack me constantly for asking questions. Social media forums usually have a block feature. GTA apparently does not. Or, does it? Perhaps the 3 of us blocking each other would be the best compromise.

[Keepingitsimple]

Anyone else following the new Seneca Dragonfly debuting soon? Anyone shot or handled one?

I am following it and I apologize for the back and forth discussions in your thread not related to the Mk2.
I like the fact it is capable of 674 fps with 18 gr pellets as Tyler has also confirmed..
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/02/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-five/

I'm eagerly awaiting Gaylords 25 yard accuracy test with a red dot sight.

[Firewalker]

Back to the OP...

I do like the looks of the Seneca Dragonfly and also the reduced pumping energy used per pump but as others have pointed out, it takes almost twice the pumps to achieve the same pellet speed. I guess that I'm not old or broken enough to need a lighter handle as of yet. Though, in 20 years, this may be a good choice for me.

Comes down to a personal choice in my opinion.

[Keepingitsimple]

Here's an interesting comment from today's PA blog post:
Tom Gaylord (B.B. Pelletier) February 24, 2022 at 8:31 am
Hank,

I just sent your comment to the president of Pyramyd Air and to Tyler Patner, who is, if not the actual father of the Dragonfly Mark 2, at least he’s the shepherd.

BB
--
I did not know that. Thanks Tyler.

[Spacebus]

For those among us that doubt you can put a full size scope on the DF MKII, here's a blog post about the MKI.

https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2018/06/the-seneca-dragonfly-multi-pump-pneumatic-rifle-part-4/

If you feel like scrolling through the comments, you will find photos scopes on other SPA guns with the same receiver, including a photo of a full size scope on a DF MKI, in addition to the compact scope/DF MKI combo used by the author.


Also, for any who don't realize it, Air Venturi/Seneca do not manufacture this rifle, it is made by SPA.

[splitbeing]

One pump to rule them all

[splitbeing]

Shot my dragonfly with daisy sans plomb today (a frequent occurrence).

Got a new plinking setup that is lead free only (top bison trap). All else is for my louder shooting sessions.

[Keepingitsimple]

SPA Artemis/Snow Peak Pellet Guns

The SPA Artemis Snow peak Pellet Gun Factory, was established in 1976, specialized in manufacturing pellet guns  for civilian use approved by the Ministry of Public Security of the People’s Republic of China. The company locates in the Yangtze River Delta area, with no more than 2 hours drive from Port of Shanghai, Port of Ningbo, Shanghai Airport, Hangzhou Xiaoshan International Airport, and China Commodity City in Yiwu.
https://thepelletgunshop.co.za/artemis_snow_peak.htm

Given how Asian shipping is in the state that it is in, I think I'm going to hold off ordering a Mk2 (for my brother-in-law) until the rifles are in stock in America.
 

[dhd]

I understand Diana Stormrider and DF MK2 utilize the same breech type
and scope mounting would pose the same issues for both.
For those folks who plan to install a scope (especially a Bug Buster) on their DF MK2,
there is an interesting article over at hardairmagazine.com titled
"Diana Stormrider Scope Mounting – Some Tricks And Tips"
by Stephen ArcherJuly 8, 2019

[Keepingitsimple]

I understand Diana Stormrider and DF MK2 utilize the same breech type
and scope mounting would pose the same issues for both.
For those folks who plan to install a scope (especially a Bug Buster) on their DF MK2,
there is an interesting article over at hardairmagazine.com titled
"Diana Stormrider Scope Mounting – Some Tricks And Tips"
by Stephen ArcherJuly 8, 2019

Here's an interesting part of that article:

However, once you try to install a magazine into the breech, you’ll likely find that the mag will contact the scope and not fit correctly into place.
https://hardairmagazine.com/buyers-guides/diana-stormrider-scope-mounting-some-tricks-and-tips/

[Spacebus]

I understand Diana Stormrider and DF MK2 utilize the same breech type
and scope mounting would pose the same issues for both.
For those folks who plan to install a scope (especially a Bug Buster) on their DF MK2,
there is an interesting article over at hardairmagazine.com titled
"Diana Stormrider Scope Mounting – Some Tricks And Tips"
by Stephen ArcherJuly 8, 2019

Here's an interesting part of that article:

However, once you try to install a magazine into the breech, you’ll likely find that the mag will contact the scope and not fit correctly into place.
https://hardairmagazine.com/buyers-guides/diana-stormrider-scope-mounting-some-tricks-and-tips/

Use taller scope rings to prevent magazine interference, or you can just use a single shot tray. Again, I have a Stormrider and Bandit, one has a scope and one has a red dot. This is a non-issue, many PCP's use magazines that require taller scope rings, and the DF MKII is based on a PCP.

[Keepingitsimple]

I understand Diana Stormrider and DF MK2 utilize the same breech type
and scope mounting would pose the same issues for both.
For those folks who plan to install a scope (especially a Bug Buster) on their DF MK2,
there is an interesting article over at hardairmagazine.com titled
"Diana Stormrider Scope Mounting – Some Tricks And Tips"
by Stephen ArcherJuly 8, 2019

Here's an interesting part of that article:

However, once you try to install a magazine into the breech, you’ll likely find that the mag will contact the scope and not fit correctly into place.
https://hardairmagazine.com/buyers-guides/diana-stormrider-scope-mounting-some-tricks-and-tips/

or you can just use a single shot tray. Again, I have a Stormrider and Bandit, one has a scope and one has a red dot. This is a non-issue, many PCP's use magazines that require taller scope rings, and the DF MKII is based on a PCP.

Tom Gaylord seems to think this is more than a non issue.

Single shot tray slides easily
I’m shooting with the single shot tray and it slides out of place easily. As my finger tries to put the pellet into the trough the tray slides out of position. I wish it would stay in place a little better.
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/02/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-four/

Weak magnet, maybe?

It's great that you haven't had any trouble with your stormrider.  Since the hardairmagazine article states its likely the mag will contact the scope and not fit correctly into place, it makes me wonder how many stormrider and/or dragonfly owners have had difficulties?

[Keepingitsimple]

I'm sure I'll be in the minority; but, I thought this concluding paragraph of Gaylords blog post was a tad disingenuous.

Summary
The bottom line is the Dragonfly Mark 2 is a fine multi-pump pneumatic. I think it gives the Benjamin Variable Pump a run for the money — especially since the Benjamin has a new synthetic stock that doesn’t work with open sights! The Dragonfly has more power, a better trigger and is easier to pump. And it’s either single-shot or a repeater, though being a multi-pump sort of negates that last feature. Added to all that the Dragonfly Mark 2 is less costly than the Benjamin. What’s not to like?
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/02/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-four/

What's not to like, Mr. Gaylord asks?

I agree, the MK2 is a fine rifle compared to the turkey that is the Benjamin Variable Pump with its synthetic stock....but, why compare the MK2 to an obsolescent model and/or a failed design?

Why not compare the MK2 with the C362 instead?

Considering how the C362 has ... 'more power, a better trigger and is easier to pump'.

Paraphrasing Mr. Gaylords last sentence:

Added to all that the C362 is less costly than the Mk2 Dragonfly. What’s not to like?

[avator]

I really don't know why there are these claims about mags not fitting a scoped SPA gun, specifically this platform. As you can see below there is plenty of room. And those are medium rings. An over weight cockroach could easily walk through there.... 

[avator]

All due respect but I don't place Mister Gaylord on a pedestal as some do.... 
I read his blog regarding guns I'm interested in, as well and many others.
It's kinda like one religion telling me I'm going to the devil if I don't follow their interpretation and another saying the same thing about theirs. And trust me, their are plenty of interpretations out there.
Who is right, who is wrong.... I reckon we won't know until it's too late.

Lets not elaborate on the analogy... that's not the topic.