Can the .177 Replace All?

[K.O.]

I used a .177 springer with Crossman pellets in Washoe Valley year round where wind is common in 1968 through 1976.

I think the wind argument about the .177 is dicey to say the least.

I've owned .17 Remingtons and .220 Swifts with .22-250s and now have the .17 Hornet in the Czech 527.

There is the fact the bigger calibers in the wind need more power to stay in line.

You can shoot a .35 Whelen into brush and your bullet will miss the deer behind the brush because the bullet was in fact deflected by something as light as wind.

No NOMAD!

You do NOT have an HW98 .177 and your "tuned" gun means nothing to me in this arena.

Send me back to HI when I was 5 years old on Oahu and those winds then meant nothing compared to Washoe Valley Nevada between Reno and Carson City.  I think you need a 98 old Pirate!

Wow you had a springer that could hit the broad side of a barn even in a Washoe Zepher with the crosman trash cans   Back then I never knew anyone who could get any accuracy past 10 yards at all with them no matter what rifle the were sent out of... even the daisy wadcutters did better... It was not till 1992 that the Crosman Premiers came out... Same year they bought Benji/Sheridan...

Now me back then late 60s early 70s... I went(parents took me) to Mark Fore and Strike and the Sportsman to get the green tin Benji pellets: only places we found that had them... and even in a light wind the .22 always out shot the .177... once the afternoon wind kicked up in Washoe Valley you might as well put the air rifles away and just go cat-fishing in Washoe lake...which is what I did (south end by the trees)...  Sometimes would go swimming at the pool by Bowers mansion...

[Motorhead]

Can this beat horse be put to bed yet .... YAWN !!!

LOL
Scott

[K.O.]

Sorry it just brought back more than a few good memories... The Sportsman was run by two brothers  Chet and Link Piazzo... They had a hunting and fishing T.V. show called The Sportsman's Trails... when I was about 11 years old they let me put a fly rod (my first), fly tying kit, some hackles and such on layaway knowing it would take me a good 6 months or so to pay it off... They were one of the really good things about the Reno of my youth... well loved by almost all for who they just were... They were Icons... I really do not think they made much off the Benji pellets but made sure to keep them in stock... 

Besides it got you to show a pic of you yawning.. gotta love it..  

just noticed spelled zephyr wrong...

[Motorhead]

If me .. wrong end 

[K.O.]

Scott are you sayin you have a nice  azz also..


I bonded with Link a bit... he liked me and we talked some way back then... His real first name was Lincoln... just happens to be my middle name... he earned the Distinguished Flying Cross in WW2 flying a B52...  sorry guys for the off topic just some good memories of some special to me(and others I am sure) folks...

[Struckat]

I would have to say no, it can’t be a replacement if 177 is all I have ever had. But I really skipped from BB straight to 22lr.
In the late 70’s I had a Crosman 760, but I mostly shot BBs through it. I had one white plastic box of pellets, never shot them all. Still have it with about a dozen pellets in it.

Not much has changed in my requirements nowadays, 177 will do everything I need. With that said, I ordered a 22 barrel for my HW95 because I want to try something different.

The Royal Post got my package off the island within one day! It was processed in Chicago on the 21st. So that means it will be found with bundles of missing mail under a bridge as so much Chicago mail does.

Maybe I will like 22? My 95 runs about 12-13fpe, which in 22 should be a very similar trajectory to my HW30 177. We’ll see, if it ever arrives.

But what I can’t get out of my head is a 25 springer, like a $60 refurb.

[fwbsport]

Sorry it just brought back more than a few good memories... The Sportsman was run by two brothers  Chet and Link Piazzo... They had a hunting and fishing T.V. show called The Sportsman's Trails... when I was about 11 years old they let me put a fly rod (my first), fly tying kit, some hackles and such on layaway knowing it would take me a good 6 months or so to pay it off... They were one of the really good things about the Reno of my youth... well loved by almost all for who they just were... They were Icons... I really do not think they made much off the Benji pellets but made sure to keep them in stock... 

Besides it got you to show a pic of you yawning.. gotta love it..  

just noticed spelled zephyr wrong...

I used to go to Johnson's Sporting Goods around Vassar for things there as well as Mark Fore and Strike.  I remember the bear they had on display! They had a bar too with a gun rack behind to ponder!

We lived on Susan Lee Circle next to the Rocking J ranch and the Flying ME ranch.

Yes in those days we had horses and cattle and that .177 springer by BSF was my only air rifle for years until a Sheridan and Benjamin .20 and .22.

Scott!

Ney to You!  ( )

[Motorhead]

All in Fun JOHN .... what a year !!!

[fwbsport]

All in Fun JOHN .... what a year !!!

Do you still have that beard?

You know in the Army extra hair is frowned upon.......

[Motorhead]

All in Fun JOHN .... what a year !!!

Do you still have that beard?

You know in the Army extra hair is frowned upon.......

As many friends sarcastically state ... Dear Santa,  have a silver beard year round

[lizzie]

For hunting larger game than pest birds or small rodents.....

[Sh00ter]

Seems like if you are talking SAME power plant, and it isn't a magnum/PCP type rifle, then much of the issue with 177 can be overcome by a heavier pellet?

If I was going to buy a high-end PCP, I'd go 22. But I do own 22lr rifles too so I'm not into airguns enough to financially commit to the PCP hobby. Therefore, for lower to medium powered guns, it seems the 177 (w/ right weight pellet for the gun) becomes the proverbial .20cal and can provide the best of both worlds. If you have a 600-1000fps gun(s), the FPS drops substantially if same gun has to shoot 22 pellets. Some of my gas ram break barrels give virtually same energy in 177 as they do 22, but the 22 is slower. This becomes even more of an issue when you go down to Crosman 1322/1377 power...My stock Daisy 1977xs can do ~13fpe in 177 @ 10 pumps and my stock 1389G does less than 12fpe at 20 pumps.

It is all about the power plant...177 can "suffice" if you can use the right pellet with the right power plant...and in my area, there are many more 177 pellet choices locally available. But as stated above, I think beyond a certain amount of power, you can make a 22 a flat-enough shooting gun with more power. it would seem that once you get into PCP w/ no restrictions, the 177 would lose the advantage to 22 BECAUSE it moves super sonic. I'd probably prefer a barley sub-sonic 22 vs a super sonic 177. But an 800-1000 fps 177 (with the right pellet for the job) can do a lot if you are NOT hog hunting and you stay within a reasonable range...that is my impression anyway.

[cosmic]

 I don't think so.. Even though I have been tuning a .177 AT44 long for Nick's slugs..  I believe a .22 would be the most versatile and better bc...
  By the way my .177 AT44 long is throwing nick's slugs at 940 fps for the 15gr. and 1040fps on the 12.5 gr.. Now I need it to warm up at least to the 40's, so I can play at my range half a block away and adjust the fps for the best groups.....

[19Sheridan57]

Nope.

[triggerfest]

Newsflash !!!!!

All of you, and I mean everybody that spent money and time collecting these wonderful machines of various calibers, stashing all kinds of pellets and bullets, getting the moulds to make your own ammo,

.....Time to sell everything and buy yourself a Weirach .177 springer, I'll assure you it will cover all your shooting needs better then any other platform or caliber for plinking, target, hunting, long distance shooting.

Please see the light this gun will be superior and  will replace and some everything you have at the moment  LOL 

LOOOOL 

No I won't...

Funny enough... I have SOLD all my Weihrauchs already (2x HW97k and 1x HW50s - all three in .177), yes I did !!! Really !!! Hahaha

I still have Hatsans, Diana's, CZ's and even an Industry Brand B3. And top of my list / next buy next year is your favorite Rex-P in .357 

If... And I said if..., I would buy a Weihrauch again, it would be a 95/98 - but in my favourite caliber: .22, and that caliber, imho, yes, could replace all. I think.

[fwbsport]

Scott I love your facial hair I can't do that I look pretty prehistoric and no way presentable to the public.

I enjoy the Motorhead monicker for you!

Mine was (in the Army and ministry) Sky Pilot.