Can the .177 Replace All?

[nced]

Newsflash !!!!!

All of you, and I mean everybody that spent money and time collecting these wonderful machines of various calibers, stashing all kinds of pellets and bullets, getting the moulds to make your own ammo,

.....Time to sell everything and buy yourself a Weirach .177 springer, I'll assure you it will cover all your shooting needs better then any other platform or caliber for plinking, target, hunting, long distance shooting.

Please see the light this gun will be superior and  will replace and some everything you have at the moment  LOL 

LOL.....I disagree because evidently SOME shooters NEED "powder burner power airguns"!
Hummm......airgun power limits for a few different countries unless a specific government exclusion is licensed.........
Note: fpe = Foot Pounds Energy, fps = Feet Per Second

AUSTRIA - No restrictions in fpe but limit on caliber (FAC req for .25 and above)
AUSTRALIA- FAC required for everything and anything.
BELGIUM - No restrictions on rifles
BRAZIL - No restrictions
BULGARIA - No restrictions
CANADA - 500 fps limit without a PAL
CYPRUS - .177 only (No information on energy levels at this time)
CZECH REPUBLIC - 12 fpe (16 Joules)
DENMARK - No restrictions, but soon will have restrictions imposed due a change in the legislation.
ESTONIA - No limits in .177, .22 and larger cal FAC required. No hunting with air gun
FINLAND -There is no muzzle restrictions but anything over .25 calibers requires a license. No hunting with air rifles and all air rifles can be shot in your own garden so long as it is safe .
FRANCE - 20 Joules (15 fpe). Airgun hunting is banned except for rats.
GERMANY - 6 fpe (7.5 Joules)
GREECE - No power or Calibre restriction, Silencers and Scopes are banned by law. Hunting is not allowed.
HOLLAND - No restrictions - NO look a like's
HONG KONG - Max power of 2 Joules without an FAC
HUNGARY - 6 fpe (7.5 Joules)
ITALY - 6 fpe (7.5 Joules) must be over 18 to buy, over 10 to shoot it with presence of a parent; >6 fpe you need a f.a.c. and you've to declare the purchase to the police. NO Hunting.
JAPAN - Airguns firing metallic projectiles are considered firearms and require a license for specified use
LATVIA - 12 Joules
LITHUANIA - 7.5 Joules (NO hunting allowed)
LUXEMBOURG - FAC required for everything and anything.
MALTA - FAC required for everything and anything.
NEW ZEALAND - PCPs require Firearms License
NORTHERN IRELAND & EIRE - Airguns or CO2 guns that are in excess of one (1) Joule (0.737 ft/lbf) require to be held on an FAC.
NORWAY - No restrictions
PHILIPPINES - No restrictions but all airguns must be registered at the local police office. No license required (formality)
POLAND - 12.5 fpe (17 Joules) (NO hunting allowed) >17 Joules allowed if gun is registered with police (Formality)
PORTUGAL - .177 or .22 velocity of 1181 fps Hunting not allowed
ROMANIA - FAC needed for everything
RUSSIA - 6 fpe (7.5 Joules) (Unsure of this one)
SLOVAK REPUBLIC - 11 fpe (15 Joules)
SLOVENIA -4.5mm power limit 200m/s, for 5.5 it is 20 joule and below 200m/s and for 6.35 it is 20 joule. Hunting forbidden, silencers forbidden.
SOUTH AFRICA - Below .22 No restrictions on power. .22 and above 7.5J No hunting with airguns, but pest control allowed, no shooting in built up areas. (exceptions for Big Bore when having a hunting license - hunting on larger game)
SWITZERLAND - Over 18 to purchase. Illegal to hunt with an air rifle. No power limit .
SPAIN - 18 fpe (24.5 Joules)
SWEDEN - 7.5 fpe (10 Joules) also maximum velocity of 200m/s. The same for rifles and pistols. Semi or full auto airguns: 3 Joules
TURKEY - No restrictions
UNITED KINGDOM - 12 fpe (16 Joules)
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - No restrictions (Except New Jersey, Delaware and Michigan) Also numerous restrictions when within City Limits, varies state to state

[Rabbit\Squirrel Killer]

Newsflash !!!!!

All of you, and I mean everybody that spent money and time collecting these wonderful machines of various calibers, stashing all kinds of pellets and bullets, getting the moulds to make your own ammo,

.....Time to sell everything and buy yourself a Weirach .177 springer, I'll assure you it will cover all your shooting needs better then any other platform or caliber for plinking, target, hunting, long distance shooting.

Please see the light this gun will be superior and  will replace and some everything you have at the moment  LOL 

LOL.....I disagree because evidently SOME shooters NEED "powder burner power airguns"!
Hummm......airgun power limits for a few different countries unless a specific government exclusion is licensed.........
Note: fpe = Foot Pounds Energy, fps = Feet Per Second

AUSTRIA - No restrictions in fpe but limit on caliber (FAC req for .25 and above)
AUSTRALIA- FAC required for everything and anything.
BELGIUM - No restrictions on rifles
BRAZIL - No restrictions
BULGARIA - No restrictions
CANADA - 500 fps limit without a PAL
CYPRUS - .177 only (No information on energy levels at this time)
CZECH REPUBLIC - 12 fpe (16 Joules)
DENMARK - No restrictions, but soon will have restrictions imposed due a change in the legislation.
ESTONIA - No limits in .177, .22 and larger cal FAC required. No hunting with air gun
FINLAND -There is no muzzle restrictions but anything over .25 calibers requires a license. No hunting with air rifles and all air rifles can be shot in your own garden so long as it is safe .
FRANCE - 20 Joules (15 fpe). Airgun hunting is banned except for rats.
GERMANY - 6 fpe (7.5 Joules)
GREECE - No power or Calibre restriction, Silencers and Scopes are banned by law. Hunting is not allowed.
HOLLAND - No restrictions - NO look a like's
HONG KONG - Max power of 2 Joules without an FAC
HUNGARY - 6 fpe (7.5 Joules)
ITALY - 6 fpe (7.5 Joules) must be over 18 to buy, over 10 to shoot it with presence of a parent; >6 fpe you need a f.a.c. and you've to declare the purchase to the police. NO Hunting.
JAPAN - Airguns firing metallic projectiles are considered firearms and require a license for specified use
LATVIA - 12 Joules
LITHUANIA - 7.5 Joules (NO hunting allowed)
LUXEMBOURG - FAC required for everything and anything.
MALTA - FAC required for everything and anything.
NEW ZEALAND - PCPs require Firearms License
NORTHERN IRELAND & EIRE - Airguns or CO2 guns that are in excess of one (1) Joule (0.737 ft/lbf) require to be held on an FAC.
NORWAY - No restrictions
PHILIPPINES - No restrictions but all airguns must be registered at the local police office. No license required (formality)
POLAND - 12.5 fpe (17 Joules) (NO hunting allowed) >17 Joules allowed if gun is registered with police (Formality)
PORTUGAL - .177 or .22 velocity of 1181 fps Hunting not allowed
ROMANIA - FAC needed for everything
RUSSIA - 6 fpe (7.5 Joules) (Unsure of this one)
SLOVAK REPUBLIC - 11 fpe (15 Joules)
SLOVENIA -4.5mm power limit 200m/s, for 5.5 it is 20 joule and below 200m/s and for 6.35 it is 20 joule. Hunting forbidden, silencers forbidden.
SOUTH AFRICA - Below .22 No restrictions on power. .22 and above 7.5J No hunting with airguns, but pest control allowed, no shooting in built up areas. (exceptions for Big Bore when having a hunting license - hunting on larger game)
SWITZERLAND - Over 18 to purchase. Illegal to hunt with an air rifle. No power limit .
SPAIN - 18 fpe (24.5 Joules)
SWEDEN - 7.5 fpe (10 Joules) also maximum velocity of 200m/s. The same for rifles and pistols. Semi or full auto airguns: 3 Joules
TURKEY - No restrictions
UNITED KINGDOM - 12 fpe (16 Joules)
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - No restrictions (Except New Jersey, Delaware and Michigan) Also numerous restrictions when within City Limits, varies state to state

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[fwbsport]

Newsflash!
I have TWO rifles I will buy:

Another Hector Special in D54 by Lothar Walther to shoot LITE 20s like HIS!
Another HW98 .22.

For now I am going for the first first!

And all other air rifles in any configuration will melt away from the PLASMA created by a D54 .20 Hector Special.

And I nominated HIM for GTA as Man of the Year!

Everything he touches is like what King Midas did.

And the .22 can wait!

I want the .20 NOW! By Hector.

If nobody else wants to dive into the armory of .20 LW barrels with a D54 I'll be the next!

[Motorhead]

Newsflash !!!!!

All of you, and I mean everybody that spent money and time collecting these wonderful machines of various calibers, stashing all kinds of pellets and bullets, getting the moulds to make your own ammo,

.....Time to sell everything and buy yourself a Weirach .177 springer, I'll assure you it will cover all your shooting needs better then any other platform or caliber for plinking, target, hunting, long distance shooting.

Please see the light this gun will be superior and  will replace and some everything you have at the moment  LOL 

 Too funny ... agree with you Manny that I should sell all the Spring guns I own and stay with PCP ...LOL Ha Ha !!!

[mobilehomer]

If the .177 does it all for you - fine. Is it the replacement for all other calibers? NOOOOO!!!!!! Not by a long shot for the rest of us. I only have .22s. Is my choice the best? For me, yes. For others, maybe, maybe not.

[limbshaker]

I like the lowly .177. For actual airgun things it's a fine caliber. I own three .22s and hardly shoot either of them.

Hunting, targets, whatever the .177 works fine and is my preference.

[Ribbonstone]

Do kind of agree with motorhead/Scott...faster is not something springers can do as well  as PCP's.
Springers have many other qualites that are worth exploring...power deson't have to be one of them.

[Nomadic Pirate]

I have a super sweet, professionally tuned, vortek 10.5 FPE .177,

Love the gun, super accurate and easy to shoot, I hardly never shoot it because where I live now it's always to windy and those little pellets fly all over the place,......no matter how much you love a .177 springer the limitations are real, the segment of the spectrum you can cover is very limited,

So no, it cannot replace all,....not even close.

[limbshaker]

Do kind of agree with motorhead/Scott...faster is not something springers can do as well  as PCP's.
Springers have many other qualites that are worth exploring...power deson't have to be one of them.

I like that. Well put.

[Earl]

I like .177 best because I shoot targets only at less than 30 yards mostly
When my fingers get too stiff to load .177, then I will change to .22.
I actually like shooting BBs at pop cans.

[fwbsport]

I used a .177 springer with Crossman pellets in Washoe Valley year round where wind is common in 1968 through 1976.

I think the wind argument about the .177 is dicey to say the least.

I've owned .17 Remingtons and .220 Swifts with .22-250s and now have the .17 Hornet in the Czech 527.

There is the fact the bigger calibers in the wind need more power to stay in line.

You can shoot a .35 Whelen into brush and your bullet will miss the deer behind the brush because the bullet was in fact deflected by something as light as wind.

No NOMAD!

You do NOT have an HW98 .177 and your "tuned" gun means nothing to me in this arena.

Send me back to HI when I was 5 years old on Oahu and those winds then meant nothing compared to Washoe Valley Nevada between Reno and Carson City.  I think you need a 98 old Pirate!

[Novagun]

The short and unequivocally correct answer is NO.
Sometimes bigger is better.
Sometimes bigger essential.

[Oldgringo]

So, size does matter?   

[Yarddog]

When my fingers get too stiff to load .177, then I will change to .22.

My stubby fingers have already reached that point. Hence the reason I only buy .22s!

[seagullplayer]

I like .177 but I find getting pellets local that I like hard to find.  Mine need a pretty heavy pellet to shoot well.  I could "mail order" anything I guess.
I like the Kodiak Match pellets, but my local guy doesn't carry them on the shelf anymore.

But my .22's all like the cheap crossman pellets I can get anywhere.

I do use mine most often for small game and pest control.  I just find the .22 does a better job on the tree rats.

Any other caliber would just make getting pellets a chore..

[Lt. Dan]

Can the .177 replace all?  Hmm.

I do enjoy my .22 cal rifles but I also probably enjoy my .177 better, maybe ... kinda...?

No! I like them equally,  but for different reasons.  I only have  .177 and .22 so I can't speak of the other calibers.  What I have read is the .20 is the best of both worlds.  I wonder why it didn't catch on like the other two?

[avator]

Nope.... although it may be a replace all for a specific shooter.
Depends on what you do with your airguns.
Pretty sure I wouldn't go into a tank battle with a .22lr rifle.

[limbshaker]

Can the .177 replace all?  Hmm.

I do enjoy my .22 cal rifles but I also probably enjoy my .177 better, maybe ... kinda...?

No! I like them equally,  but for different reasons.  I only have  .177 and .22 so I can't speak of the other calibers.  What I have read is the .20 is the best of both worlds.  I wonder why it didn't catch on like the other two?

The .20 is also the worst of both worlds. Not as fast and flat as .177, and not the energy of a .22.

Just depends on which side of the coin you look at i reckon? That's how I've always seen it anyways. Probably a fine caliber like all the rest. If you can find pellets......alright I'm out, lol

[condor22]

 No, not even close. I own 1 .177 and 2 .22  airguns,  4 rimfire and 2 centerfire rifles.
 
   To begin with the D34 was used for pest and non native birds. On my third spring now, and use it for fun shooting with friends n family.
  I installed a Maccari soft spring and everyone enjoys how easy to cock and accurate it is.
   My Benjamin Trail NP .22 has taken yard pesting as IMHO  .22  can dispatch large pest birds, varmints and groundhogs better than .177¿  🎯🇺🇸😶

[bavaria55n]

I don't understand the "flat trajectory" expectation for the caliber .177. 

Caliber doesn't matter it's all about speed and gravity right?   How far can you get during that one second time in which the bullet will drop 5 m?  Doesn't matter if it's .177 or .25 if it goes 1000m during that one second.  Or am I missing something?


I have a .25 that shoots just as fast as my .177. So 7.4 grain .177 pellet going at 1025 FPS will have the same approximate flight path as .25 at that same speed.  But I expect the .25 would perform better at distance because of its higher mass and greater inertia. 

As far as I can figure, .177 should have worse performance at any velocity compared to larger calibers because the .177 will me more susceptible to external forces.


I guess what I interpret this to mean is that for most people it has been easy and cheap to get a fast .177 and not as easy to get a gun that can shoot heavier projectiles at those same velocities.

It refers to the pellet shot from the same power plant.
A springer in 177 has a higher velocity than the same springer in 22.
Gary