Altaros M24 Airgun .22 Prototype 60 FPE!

[Nomadic Pirate]

Well for the air tank, you have a very small o.d. barrel inside of a 1" O.D. I am guessing Ti tube that is 24-26" long. I'm not going to do the math, but that"s a bit of air. As for the bullet the Hornady 35 grain NT has a G1 of .177. I am a little surprised by the nastiness of a few on this forum and some of the comments of several members, especially knowing that he actually does some pretty cool stuff with airguns. I can't say I would have been as polite in my response as he was, and if any of us got called B.S. on us for something we actually did and showed people, I doubt it would be taken kindly by anyone here. I have seen 2-3 airguns with the tube around the barrel, assuming this is what he is doing. I will get off my soapbox now.

Well, when you come out with big claims you also need to show how you get it big time

I might well be wrong in the end but for now those 2 videos showed me absolutely nothing.


to your point of a reservoir around the barrel,......that what we see it's way to small to have any decent amount of air in, also it would leave no room for a shroud and on the last video the gun was way to quiet to be a 60 FPE not suppressed,......things just don't look right.

[oldpro]

 To many strange things in the video that I cant make since of myself. All that dust and wood chips on the table and none of it gets blown off during firing cycle at point blank range and at 60 fpe at that close of a range its either the quietest pcp ever or somethings not picking up the sound. For me personally i would have just either waited to show all the components and what makes it special or answered some of the questions. The whole thing just seems odd to me and i know Altaros has a great reputation and sells awesome products so why not just explain a few things in detail.

[jorgo]

When everything is patented and in dry towels ,all details will knowen with the launch i think...i would do the same to keep my work protected for as long as possible.
Those who have top produkts as you can see at their booster,who develops somthing like that you can also trust the development of an rifle with these parameters

[Nomadic Pirate]

When everything is patented and in dry towels ,all details will knowen with the launch i think...i would do the same to keep my work protected for as long as possible.
Those who have top produkts as you can see at their booster,who develops somthing like that you can also trust the development of an rifle with these parameters

So, what's the point in coming out with videos that show absolutely ZERO and raise more questions then give answers ?

Why not wait until you got all your ducks in a row and go crazy with all kinds of good videos ?

[jorgo]

I dont think he will post a bluprint from the gun to convince skeptics.
Even if some of us seemingly wait.
Wait and see what will happen in the next one year with this project.
The development is progessing steadily who would have in his youth years thinking that the airrifle caliber raises up to 357 or 45 cal
And the airrifle in this cal produce more energie than a pistol in same cal.
Maybe in the future they use lasers or plasma guns and they can shot and grill a turkey in one step
Who knows

[Altaros]

I start from the beginning.
All this is just because I broke my rules, because if I did not break, so none of you would have seen a rifle until he begun to flow directly to customers.
My rules for new products are that nobody will see new products until the series is ready for customers.

At the Altaros Compressor Booster Unit I kept them and nobody nor a shooter in the Czech Republic he did not know that we would prepare something like this.

Some local users are crazy and make from this  thread Witch hunt,  because they do not want to admit that they were wrong. Unfortunately, I have a bad news for him, because sooner or later he has to admit it under the weight of evidence.  The more here they will say that the evidence is fake the more  will be fun to others.
Every one of his fortune-makers ;-)    ( I do not know if this proverb can be translated to make it logical for you )

I showed long distance shooting because I was excited about it (before I could shoot up to 200m because pellets were limitations).
Since it was clear to me that people would want to see it as an airgun shot, so I gave a rifle image.
==>

Then you started to say that it is not airgun at all   ==>so  I made a video to prove it was a PCP airgun
==>

it was obviously bad again, as there was suspicion of a secret air hose and that the rifle is too quiet and that there is no recoil at all  ==> I made a video where it is clear that there is no secret hose, removed the silencer
and shot with a rifle so she could move around recoil.

still bad because until they I not show drawings, cuts and photos so it possibility for every manufacturer to do the rifle, it  is wrong.


80J has a rifle on videos where I shoot at 400 and 600 yards distance. Here is the same airgun set, but I used JSB Exact Heavy 1.18g. So ff course, you have a difference in power when you use a bullet weight of 2.3g and / or 1.18g
obviously.  I never wrote that the rifle had the same power for those shots. I have said beforehand that I will not show a bullet and I must have to shoot something.

The expected output estimated at 65J. I'm measuring it exactly on the weekend.  Still 65J is a big number on a rifle that you say it does not have a airtube      but I understand you want a lot of proof and 10 shots
                                                                          (I get a bigger log to prematurely destroy it as before   )

The rifle is so quiet because it has a unique valve system that is probably the best in the world, according to the information I have on other rifles. I do not know how good is Huben airgun, but about result with great power is going to be good too . This valve device ensures low noise at shot and it is possible to achieve  great power and the number of shots even for a small volume of airtube.


So what about exactly what you want me to do as proof?  Type the type of proof  which I have shot on a video.
As I say beforehand, I'm not a madman, so I do not show bullets or any hidden stuff or airgun. Competition is harder than you think.

I know I made a few mistakes.
1) As someone correctly wrote, I should use protective glasses. When I'm in the workshop, I have them in my eyes all the time.
On the other hand, such shooting is much safer for the eyes than the work on CNC machine or cleaning the workpiece's  from the chips by pressure air.

2)I had to use heavy pellets. I think I have one more box in there JSB Exact Jumbo Beast 2.2g you should behave almost as much as my shot bullets.  Or I use my bullets, but I will not show a close look at barrel insertion. That's what you decide, I do not care.

3)I do not know where you came to the price of 3k USD for semi-automatic airgun. It is possible that the Czech crowns were in the link. The price was set at 1170 euros which making it one of the cheapest semi-auto on the European market:
altaros.cz/cs/pcp-pusky/109-altaros-sa-assassin.html?SubmitCurrency=1&id_currency=2


if I get it so this weekend I will make the same video as last time, just use 2.2g JSB or my bullets.  I only have time on Saturday because we have meetings with several important business partners on IWA in Nuremberg on Sunday.

I do not do this shoot in the same place as my workshop, since it is related to the laws of the Czech Republic. We have power limits on airgun and shoot is not possible everywhere.  So I have limited ability to make some videos.

Also I'm not in the mood and I do not have the time to always prove anything to people who obviously do not trust it (I do not think most of the contributor of this forum, but the concrete prudent user).


If this rifle was shown by any well-known manufacturer and, above all, from the west and not from Central Europe no one would question it, obviously for these companies, they apply different laws of physics than for small companies.
It may be a shock for you, but the Czech Republic is not located in Eastern Europe, although we unfortunately had to be 40 years under Soviet Union rule. From our workshop, you can drive 40km and you are in Germany border (for those they think there are only miles to measure distance, the metric system is also used your NASA and 40km is about 25 miles.

I do not want to touch the US population in general, but only couple of them and even in Hawaii I have a few friends. One of them sent me a beautiful bomboniere as a thanks for Altaros Compressor Booster 

And another round of hassle can start, I wish everyone enjoyable fun :-D
 

[ezman604]

Ondrej, thank you for the excellent work and the fantastic fortitude you exhibit in response here. I appreciate that very much.
Good luck and we are looking forward to seeing and hearing more from your work!!!! It's obvious you not only do this as a job but you actually enjoy it. That makes a big difference in my opinion.
Take care,
D Ez

[Zeddymon]

So Altros tells me they will be at IWA unveiling the M24, any of you reviewers will get a good look if you are going
He indicated the M24 is ready for distribution, good chance for any US dealers to get a jump on it
i think we should spread the word to those going to give it a good look

[Pellgunfun]

When is IWA?  Is it coming up soon?

Also to Ondrej:
I laughed out loud when you mentioned that 40 km is only about 25 miles.

I long for the day when the US finally and completely switches to the Metric system.  Anyone that has served in the US Military is very familiar with the Metric system.  Most even come to embrace it as I did.  America is a bit slow in giving up her beloved "yards, feet and inches" but she is slowing crawling in that direction. 

For me I like the gun, but I'm more interested in the bullet you used for those long range shots.

[alamih]

 from 8 - 11 March 2019 in the exhibition center Nuremberg.
 Greg

[Pellgunfun]

Okay sweet.

Should prove to be an interesting next few days then. 

[KnifeMaker]

Ondrej, You know you have my backing and trust!
Tell Michel I said Howdy from Texas!



MikeL. Central Texas
KnifeMaker

[Atom]

The rifle is so quiet because it has a unique valve system that is probably the best in the world, according to the information I have on other rifles. I do not know how good is Huben airgun, but about result with great power is going to be good too . This valve device ensures low noise at shot and it is possible to achieve  great power and the number of shots even for a small volume of airtube.

You have a efficiency calculator for PCP airguns...
http://www.calc.sikes.us/1/

[Altaros]

Here I am sending the promised new video with altaros bullets:

youtu.be/KUFbxyP8lV0

Under the remaining pressure, one more consistent shot could be fired.

As target, I chose pure lead cast from tens of thousands of JSB pellets. This lead target( catcher bullets) is one of four that I have already done :-)

Pure lead is a physically more stable substance than wood with the possibility of repeatability elsewhere in the world.

I also measured the power of the previous video and the result is 70J so my estimate of 65J was a little understated. 
I also realized that I was slightly reducing the noise level when cutting the first video so that all the noise around it would not  be  heard. For this video, I left the audio track complete unchanged.

I also want to comment on tomorrow's IWA. This is probably a misunderstanding. We do not exhibit here. If we exhibited so we have been there since Friday. We have on IWA  only several business meetings.  Probably next year we will already be exhibitors on IWA.

Also thank you all for your positive comments, it's a nice change ;-)

[jackssmirkingrevenge]

Video:



Good job on the eye protection

[Dairyboy]

Love it! This is a gun I'd like

[Rob in NC]

Late on this thread, but I've been using Altaros regs for years now and have always had great dealings with him.   Looking forward to the new innovations coming out from him!

[KnifeMaker]

I've had nothing but straight dealings and fantastic customer care from the Altaros team.


This is looking good to me! And I didn't see any teather hose LOL!!!

[swish]

It's one thing to question something but another to ridicule. Keep up the good work Altaros! !

[Pellgunfun]

Bumping this just cause I'm curious where things ended up.