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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Back Room => Topic started by: Tater on January 29, 2014, 03:36:38 PM
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My wife found out she can get a good price on ammo at our local range. I believe it is a good price anyways ($4-5 a box of 50). Anyone have an opinion on which brand is cleaner ammo in general?
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They use the same powder,lead and case. ;D The only difference is the velocity. Blazer is made by CCI. IMHO they are both some of the cleanest shooting .22's available. Over the years I have sent a couple tons of both downrange.
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I always liked the CCI green tag. Most of my 22's shoot them good.
Tom
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wow! .10 cents a round? this is why my .22lr guns are gathering dust. heck i used to pay that for 38 specials not too long ago.
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Personally, I prefer the Remington golden high speed 22lr. IMO, CCI is junk ammo. Just for pinking. IMO.
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CCI makes many .22lr rounds including Mini-mag and Blazers.
The mini-mags are their better ammo than the Blazers.
Mudduck is being silly. The Rem Goldens are not as good.
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If it's CCI SV (standard velocity) I would buy that. BTW, Green Tag is CCI SV that's been weight sorted. Even so, fifty bucks a brick is no great bargain, especially for Blazer.
Oh, if you are shooting targets, you will find many guns do better with standard velocity over hi-speeds although some, like the old Westherby XXII semi auto like fast steppers.
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I have to agree with mudduck48 - Remington Golden Bullet ("new and improved") - they're a love 'em or hate 'em round, most haters don't even give them a real chance.
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Any name brand, CCI, Remington, Winchester to name a few, is a good clean round. They are about the same accuracy out of most barrels. Just like pellets, some better than others.
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If it's CCI SV (standard velocity) I would buy that. BTW, Green Tag is CCI SV that's been weight sorted. Even so, fifty bucks a brick is no great bargain, especially for Blazer.
Oh, if you are shooting targets, you will find many guns do better with standard velocity over hi-speeds although some, like the old Westherby XXII semi auto like fast steppers.
I agree with Red Feather. standard velocities all the way. most match grade target loads are standard velocity range. cci standards work well in mine. i also like wolf mt if you can find them at a decent price. :) but with the availability of .22 most places, i would get some of both and try them out. see what your gun likes. :)
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I have to agree with mudduck48 - Remington Golden Bullet ("new and improved") - they're a love 'em or hate 'em round, most haters don't even give them a real chance.
i felt like they never give me a chance......... of hitting the intended target that is. lol :) guess it really depends on the gun. :)
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CCI makes many .22lr rounds including Mini-mag and Blazers.
The mini-mags are their better ammo than the Blazers.
Mudduck is being silly. The Rem Goldens are not as good.
I'm being silly? The ammo I have I bought 15+ years ago. The best ammo then was the Remington Golden High speed ammo. CCI ammo was crud then and IMO is still crud. I'm being silly? What do you base you info on? I have fired, probably, more 22lr than you have seen. :P
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She ended up getting the Blazers which is all they had. They worked great, but it wasn't our gun so we don't have to clean it to see how dirty they were. They worked fine in the S&W .22 she shot. She bought the two boxes offered and only went through one of them so we have one extra this time. Hopefully we'll be able to accumulate more in the next few weeks.
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At this point in time I take any .22 I can get my hands on... provided the seller isn't trying to gouge me.
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yeah what Blind Squirrel said!!!!!!! i mean i can find every other kind of ammo i need except 22LR!!!!! what is even more baffling is that i can literally pick up 12 gauge rounds off the shelf for dirt cheap prices..
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CCI makes many .22lr rounds including Mini-mag and Blazers.
The mini-mags are their better ammo than the Blazers.
Mudduck is being silly. The Rem Goldens are not as good.
I'm being silly? The ammo I have I bought 15+ years ago. The best ammo then was the Remington Golden High speed ammo. CCI ammo was crud then and IMO is still crud. I'm being silly? What do you base you info on? I have fired, probably, more 22lr than you have seen. :P
Ha. Sorry, I thought you were trying to be sarcastic and I was playing along.
The Goldens are getting a bad reputation lately.
As for firing more .22 than I have seen? I doubt that.
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I have good luck with CCI ammo but Ill take anything at this point. Still can't find reasonable prices on .22 ammo.
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CCI makes many .22lr rounds including Mini-mag and Blazers.
The mini-mags are their better ammo than the Blazers.
Mudduck is being silly. The Rem Goldens are not as good.
I'm being silly? The ammo I have I bought 15+ years ago. The best ammo then was the Remington Golden High speed ammo. CCI ammo was crud then and IMO is still crud. I'm being silly? What do you base you info on? I have fired, probably, more 22lr than you have seen. :P
Ha. Sorry, I thought you were trying to be sarcastic and I was playing along.
The Goldens are getting a bad reputation lately.
As for firing more .22 than I have seen? I doubt that.
I haven' bought any 22lr in a long time. Didn't know about the "bad rep" on Remington. And I have been shooting 22 for 53 years. I got my first .22 rifle when I was 12. I just haven't shot the new stuff. To me crud ammo was CCI Blazers, Winchester wildcat and Federal lighting. If I am going to do serious shooting, grab the Remingtons.
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Duck, the three you mentioned last ARE cheap versions of some very good rounds. The regular versions of these three and the Remingtons ARE very good. I always preferred CCI, but I liked the others pretty good, too. Least favorite was Federals. The ONLY bad about the Remingtons is a loy of wax on the bullet for lubrication. In this respect they are "dirtier", but firing them, they are just as clean as the others. I still have several big boxes of these and CCIs that I have had for years. Regardless of price, no blazers, wildcats or lightning. These are dirty and not accurate.
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Thanks guys. All the guy had last night were Blazers so she picked up two box of 50 for $8 total.
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I now reserve any .22 rounds I come into for my wife. She likes the low report and no kick of shooting a .22. She won't shoot anything larger. :-\ It hasn't been an issue for awhile now, because our local range has been closed due to a fire.
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A friend of mine thought me something about 22lr years ago. These things sit on the shelf. Have you ever loaded up and went to shooting and heard, POP, POP, POOP, and wondered why? He said, shake up 22 ammo and get the powder loosened up in the case before you shoot. In the old days, 22 ammo came in a small box of 50. Some were pointed down and some were pointed up, in the box. Shake the ammo before you use it and it will work better. That is your tip for the day. 8) 8)
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they all have there basic "bulk" or budget rounds and they all have match grade too. so i would recommend to any following along to test what ever they can get. i have tried every different kind of .22 i could find. from lapua and wolf to cci and rem., fed etc.
good tip Duck. :) i havent had many duds but i will try that next time.
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A friend of mine thought me something about 22lr years ago. These things sit on the shelf. Have you ever loaded up and went to shooting and heard, POP, POP, POOP, and wondered why?
That is the exact complaint I have about the Remington Golden Bullets. I didn't notice it on Federal and Winchester, but I will try your bit of advice the next time I go the range, especially since I have several bricks of the Rems I bought back before the crazy hoarding started. Thanks!
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Boys and girls: Midway USA is expecting a big shipment of Rems and Winchester .22s in April. I pre-ordered in bulk and for about 3cents/pop
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I have 5550 rounds on backorder.
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Boys and girls: Midway USA is expecting a big shipment of Rems and Winchester .22s in April. I pre-ordered in bulk and for about 3cents/pop
Could you post a link, I would like to advantage of some .o3¢ each .22lr pre orders.
Thanks ;)
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I remember when Wolf was just being discovered as a good shooting round, I was buying it by the case ( 5000 ) out of Ca. for $144 shipped. The good old days.
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Lloyd, I remember when ANY 22lr was .01 per round. A box of 50 was .50 CCI 100 box was .99. THOSE were the good old days for sure.
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Lloyd, I remember when ANY 22lr was .01 per round. A box of 50 was .50 CCI 100 box was .99. THOSE were the good old days for sure.
About my earliest memory ( price wise ) was saving up 30 cents for a box of shorts or longs. Can't remember which. It was in the early to mid 50s
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I remember that too, and I also remember that I was earning $1.25 per hour.
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I still shoot allot of 22RF ammo...
I'm a NRA Bullseye shooter and shoot in a couple leagues.
I shoot CCI BLUE or STD velocity. Its accurate, very lo misfires and was available. Luckily for me, I bought six cases the spring of 2012 knowing there was a price increase. I WAS paying $120 a case. Last month I opened my last case...
I USED to LOVE Remington Goldens. I still have a couple bricks. When I was a kid my uncle and father bought a case and we split it.
Some 20 years back I bought a Marlin 880 Squirrel and a couple different boxes of ammo. The best shooting ammo was again Remington...this time Cyclone's. I went back to shop and bought the remains of the brick. Then the shop contacted the distributor and using the lot number bought the remaining case of that ammo. That ammo is also almost gone... :o ::)
I tried Federal ammo, a couple different ''flavors'' either feeding or misfire problems.
Winchester hasn't made ''good'' accurate RF ammo for target in too long.
I shot WOLF match too. This was also VERY good and quite accurate and NEVER a misfire!
RWS makes GREAT ammo only its FAR too costly! Actually we where shooting RWS Rifle for some time too. But the prices of a case nearly TRIPPLED!! It dosen't shoot THAT much better then CCI Blue!
This last summer was the first time I did not shoot the leagues in over twenty years!! I did not want to shoot up my ammo!! :-[ :-\ :-\ :-\
CW
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I'm sitting on a bunch of .22LR I purchased years ago from a widow who just wanted to get it out of the garage. 30 something bricks of old Western Xpert (Olin Winchester) for $20! I was going to give her more but she wouldn't have it. This was "pre child warning" label stuff. Nice for plinking. Several years ago, my buddy and I went in on a pallet of Aguila .22 for way cheap at Camp Perry CMP, we were there for the national rifle matches. Well we got back from Perry and his wife left him and he was broke. So I got stuck with about 50 thousand rounds! I gave away some over the years but still sitting on a bunch. It never did shoot the best out of my S&W Mod41 bullseye pistol but does ok in my Compass Lake AR15 .22 Service rifle and Ruger pistols. I'm always on the lookout for CCI Standard velocity, my S&W 41 loves it.
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The RWS and Eley prices never were the best to begin with, but they have gone completely off the chart as of late.
I'm almost out of RWS R50...... :'(
CCI green tag and Rem. Match still do the job, and I am not reduced to relying on Remington Thunderbolts yet, so all is well.
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Went to Walmart on Friday to pick up more pellets and much to my surprise, 6 boxes (225 count) of "new and improved" Goldens were in the ammo case. I happily paid the $11.17 per box (3 box limit).
I haven't seen 22LR at this store for a loooong time!
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congrats. lol i havent seen any on the shelf anywhere for over a year.
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Walmart and the like have none available in the stores, but the local gun shops have piles of the stuff stacked up.
The supply chain finally caught up after the mad panic, and they are way fat on inventory. The prices are somewhat higher than this time 2 years ago, but nothing like the grossly inflated gun show prices....... >:(
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i think most of the local gun shops are hoarding it and selling it on gun broker at inflated prices. that way they save face to there walk in customers. most of which would get upset at that kind of gouging. jmo.
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i think most of the local gun shops are hoarding it and selling it on gun broker at inflated prices. that way they save face to there walk in customers. most of which would get upset at that kind of gouging. jmo.
I herd this before and pupu'ed it... but now that we see it ''squirting" out at the seams. There HAS TO BE MORE and I think you are spot on correct!
CW
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About shooting odd lots of rimfire. Every brand uses their own outside lube. As a result, it takes about a box (50) to re-season a barrel when switching brands. If you go from one brand to another, a box at a time, don't expect to guage the overall accuracy in your gun.
Worst of the lot? Remington Thunderbolt. You will spend as long cleaning as shooting.
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by local i mean all the non national box chain stores.
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Worst of the lot? Remington Thunderbolt. You will spend as long cleaning as shooting.
Hear Hear
Hideous little gobs of tripe masquerading as ammunition.... >:(
I am somewhat fortunate in that the two best local shops, while they did limit purchase quantities for a while, did not go with the 'gouge you in the posterior' price structure that the show vendors did.
Several of the show vendors are now suffering the repercussions of their attempt at profiteering. NO patronage.........
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I am fortunate to have an excellent local gun store close by. I asked the owner a couple months ago about his pricing and availability of .22lr ammo. He mentioned that he had made the decision to hold his pricing to his normal markup based solely on his wholesale cost factor and that was why his prices were still in line with the pre-hysteria market prices only slightly higher because of natural market increases. He was emphatic that he would not take advantage of people by pricing his ammo too high. His personal response was to limit his limited supply to minimal amounts per customer so he could somewhat satisfy as many of his customers as possible. Last week, I was able to buy 2 50 round boxes of CCI Blazer for $2.50 per box as well as get 2 100count CCI Large Pistol Primers for $2.99 each!
I can't buy as much as I would want but his strategy has kept me shooting throughout this period of craziness. This one gun store now has many satisfied customers who I believe will continue to remain faithful in shopping there. AND, I have two new boxes of Blazers that I need to shoot up!
joe
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maybe all was too much. but i mean a lot are. wasnt trying to throw them all under the bus. bricks of ammo on gun broker going for $75 to way over $150 per brick. thats insane. i can buy .17 hmr ammo cheaper of late. good that you guys have a good local dealer charging normal prices.
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Yes, fortunately they saw a way to demonstrate to customers that they care about repeat business and customer satisfaction VS the make it all and make it right now crowd.
It kills me, just like it does you, to see the absolute rump gouging prices some of those smackies are asking for their bricks......... >:(
Then again, no one is holding a pistol to my head to buy from them, so I try to vote with my purchasing dollars!! ;D
The one local shop had 50 rd. boxes of American Eagle .22LR for $2.00 a few weeks back, limit 5.
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Silver lining to the .22 shortage is that is what steered me to air guns. ;D
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Yes, fortunately they saw a way to demonstrate to customers that they care about repeat business and customer satisfaction VS the make it all and make it right now crowd.
It kills me, just like it does you, to see the absolute rump gouging prices some of those smackies are asking for their bricks......... >:(
Then again, no one is holding a pistol to my head to buy from them, so I try to vote with my purchasing dollars!! ;D
The one local shop had 50 rd. boxes of American Eagle .22LR for $2.00 a few weeks back, limit 5.
i agree about voting with my dollars. just wished prices would get back to normal. no way of finding boxes of even the american eagles for $2 a box. i would gladly buy 5. and 5 is a reasonable limit. some places are only allowing one. :( but if noone would buy the stuff on gun broker, prices would come down. someone is buying the stuff. i can buy .223/5.56 ammo chaeper than .22 lr. lol :) it is back on the shelves and reasonable at that.
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i also agree with shooting air rifles more too. which i have been long before the shortages. its just i like to shoot rimfire too.
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I'm with you Chad - my Remington 597 is feeling neglected and I need to break in my ISSC M22 pistol! On the other hand, I had a good time applying loctite to my new Beeman RS2 - looking forward to shooting my first .22 springer!
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wow! .10 cents a round? this is why my .22lr guns are gathering dust. heck i used to pay that for 38 specials not too long ago.
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$4 a box seems to be the going rate here in NY. I picked up 3 boxes of 100 mini mags at Wallyworld a couple weeks ago for 7.47 a box I think. It's getting almost impossible to buy 22 ammo here in NY thanks to Gov Cuomo's Safe Act. IF my walmart gets 22 ammo in their weekly shipment it's gone in 5 minutes. Guys are waiting for it 15 minutes before the girl wheels the weekly ammo shipment out to fill the case.
If it wasn't for my job/pension, I would have left New York a long long time ago!!!
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I know 22lr is rare as hen's teeth and now it looks like Ruger may have an 50th Anniversary 10/22
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/01/22/ruger-1022-50th-anniversary-model/ (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/01/22/ruger-1022-50th-anniversary-model/)
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CCI SV works well for me. Here is a 100 yard group from my Savage FV:
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Here's a link to some chrony results for CCI SV and American Eagle:
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=535408 (http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=535408)
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Nice 100 yard group. I love my Savage FVSR
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Got me 500 blazers delivered from Cabelas for $31, just got to keep looking on gunbot.net
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The latest Gun Show in Dayton Ohio saw two Women with a table set up selling ammo that included bricks of American Eagle for $35 a brick of 500. They had 3 cases, and they didn't last long.
While their prices were less than most of the price gouging show dealers, it was still $.07 a round.
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I have the unfortunate position of being in a very small town, only one gun store here (others come and go from time to time), and I cannot stand the old codger that runs it. He tried to rip me off the only time I've ever tried to buy from them on a firearm purchase, haven't been back since and I can only imagine what he's doing to folks on ammo pricing.
I have a fairly nice 10/22 that gets shot very rarely these days. Built it about 17 years ago as a cheap way to get out and shoot, at that time the bulk boxes at wally world were about $9 for 500rds, and it still shot even those very well. I'm hoping the Srod will fill that void for the future for punching holes in paper.
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I remember when Wolf was just being discovered as a good shooting round, I was buying it by the case ( 5000 ) out of Ca. for $144 shipped. The good old days.
Amen.
Funny, reading this and similar threads. I remember "breaking in" my Ruger 22/45 with a brick of 500 Remington Thunderbolts. Not a problem. Fella I shot with we had (literally) a blast that night. Still wish I coulda bought his Colt Gold Cup when he had to sell it. :'(
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just managed to get 4 boxes of 50 cci blazers for $12. :) 1st of any .22 ammo i have seen in a while. my local dealer had some when i picked up the kids Savage Rascal. :) 4 box limit. but that is reasonable. 1 box like some places are doing is not.
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I just picked up a couple bricks of blazers $35 ea. They have always been just fine for me.
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CW
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wow i see where all the rimfire ammo went. lol :)
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If it's CCI SV (standard velocity) I would buy that. BTW, Green Tag is CCI SV that's been weight sorted. Even so, fifty bucks a brick is no great bargain, especially for Blazer.
Oh, if you are shooting targets, you will find many guns do better with standard velocity over hi-speeds although some, like the old Westherby XXII semi auto like fast steppers.
I agree on the standard velocity. My CZ 452's shoot CCI SV as well as they shoot Wolf MT and SK Std. Plus. As at least one other has opined, the current unavailability .22 LR is what moved me into airguns. I checked my .22 stash a couple days ago and I'm good for more than a little while; however, I wouldn't try to shoot my .22's in my backyard...... :D
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Picked up some blazer yesterday, $3.50 a box. A rip but not as bad as the could have robbed me. 3 box limit. Only other thing they had was American eagle for the same price.
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Its hard to get .22 lr ammo in my area but I did find some Blazer. Paid too much for it $50 a brick but better than nothing. Strange thing is it has no velocity listed on box. Salesman was surprised too. Does anyone know its velocity? Thanks
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Its hard to get .22 lr ammo in my area but I did find some Blazer. Paid too much for it $50 a brick but better than nothing. Strange thing is it has no velocity listed on box. Salesman was surprised too. Does anyone know its velocity? Thanks
I got two bricks at cabelas in a door buster sat am!! But it's always been HV. Your right we knoticed no vel as well...
CW
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Walmart stores have .22LR in stock at least once every other week. The problem is many stores (namely the Sporting Goods Mgr & employees) don't bring it out. The employees and their friends buy it. As soon as it comes in they call their buddies and relatives. I have a friend who works at Walmart and she suspects that they are reselling it on Gun Broker or Armslist because of the enormous amounts the SG employees have been purchasing over the course of 14 months since Jan. '13. I have been able to get a few Mini Mags and bulk boxes only part of the time she contacts me, but only by getting the store manager and making a big stink about it. Even the management is in on it. They have lied to me on many occasions saying there is no ammo in the back, when my friend told me the ammo was in the secure cage and were selling it little by little to employees and their friends. I usually go back to the store early in the morning and get a different co-manager who goes in the back and brings it out 3 boxes for me (not all the time). They still don't put it out and when I ask the Mgr why, they say they will, but never do. These SG employees and some WM managers are contributing to the shortage by not putting it on the shelves and allowing the employees to buy it all up. Now my 2 Walmart stores recently changed their policy from 3 boxes max. to only 3 boxes of .22LR. No limit on all the other calibers. I am sure it's corporate policy and Corporate has no idea who is really buying all the .22LR. It's ironic because that is the only caliber they keep in the back for themselves. It's fine if the employees purchase a few boxes or a couple of thousand rounds for themselves or their friends, but when they get in 20 to 40 Federal 550 bulk boxes (2-4 cases usually), Win 555/333 bulk, etc. every few weeks and it never makes it to the shelves, it makes you wonder where these hundreds of thousands or millions of rounds per store are ending up (GunBroker, Armslist?). And how can employees that make $10/hr afford to purchase that much ammo throughout the year? When I am informed by my "insider" that ammo has arrived and what brand and how many, I usually see it 4sale locally on Armslist a day or 2 later. They are reselling it for profit. At least the 2 WM store employees and their friends near me. I can't speak of other stores. I have sent a couple of emails to WM Corporate about it, and never get a response, or nothing comes of it. I have even spoken to the store managers (not co-manager) and one of them implemented a policy that ammo has be brought out in the morning and supervised by an asst.store manager. That lasted only for about 2 months last Spring during which myself and many other customers were able to purchase ammo between 7 and 8 or 9am before it sold out, but they stopped doing it just before the summer. It's a shame that WM has let this go on for so long in certain stores. The only .22LR ammo my 2 stores put out once in a blue mmon is Rem. Thunderbolt, Federal Lightning (510) 50 round boxes, and one time CCI Quiet which my guns hate. The low end stuff. 100 round plastic and bulk boxes never make it to the shelves.
So don't think your Walmart does not get any .22LR. As a matter of fact, whatever .22LR Midway, Cabelas & Natchez gets or sells out on that day, Walmart stores get the same ammo 1-3 days later which is the time it takes to get it from their warehouses to the stores. My only advice is don't buy any of it from Gun Broker and Armslist and advise your friends to do the same. As long as people are willing to pay 2-3X more for .22LR through those web sites, we will continue to have a "shortage" and high prices.
BTW, I have seen a decline in QC/QA across the board with domestic ammo. Manufacturers are rushing to get the ammo out the door without proper QC. I have had 7 duds total from 3 boxes of CCI Standard Velocity. It was a bad lot (10 box brick) and I have not shot it all. I expect to run into a few more duds from that brick. I never had any duds with CCI SV in the past.
Harry
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I agree 100%
Only way I see this stopping is if WE ALL STOP BUYING FROM SCALPERS!!!!!
If they don't have a store front or a ledgit internet sight don't buy!!!
CW
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i concur Harry. I personally think its going on, on a much bigger scale across the board. more so than we even think. i have not and will not pay outrageous prices on any .22 ammo. from anywhere. however i think the days of .50 and $1.00/box .22 ammo are long gone. i personally expect bricks to be $20-$35 depending on brand. some high end stuff will bring more but that is a different issue. i will buy .17 hmr 1st. hopefully everyone will stop buying it. if everyone would just not buy any and i mean any .22 ammo for a whole year, then it would come back to reality. :)
What if we could get everyone from the GTA to send an email to Walmart corporate? maybe even make a bluff that we arent gonna shop there anymore at all if they dont put a stop to it. if they got enough emails maybe they would do something.??
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i concur Harry. I personally think its going on, on a much bigger scale across the board. more so than we even think. i have not and will not pay outrageous prices on any .22 ammo. from anywhere. however i think the days of .50 and $1.00/box .22 ammo are long gone. i personally expect bricks to be $20-$35 depending on brand. some high end stuff will bring more but that is a different issue. i will buy .17 hmr 1st. hopefully everyone will stop buying it. if everyone would just not buy any and i mean any .22 ammo for a whole year, then it would come back to reality. :)
What if we could get everyone from the GTA to send an email to Walmart corporate? maybe even make a bluff that we arent gonna shop there anymore at all if they dont put a stop to it. if they got enough emails maybe they would do something.??
Yes you are right. Right now we have 8945 members. A lot of them are in the US. If everyone stopped buying .22lr ammo and told the scalpers, get DUCKED, the price would come down. QUIT BUYING.
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Duck, I stopped buying about two years ago. In fact, the last .22 LRs I bought were Federals (550 box) for which I paid about $18.00. All we need is about a million more to stop buying today. And let us look and see what the prices would do over the next three months. [Many businesses prepare quarterly reports.]
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IMHO we can buy, just NOT form the scalpers and like on Gun Broker and like places with STUPID INFLATED prices!
Local shops IF THE CAN GET ANY would be fine to buy from that's where we WANT to buy form!
CW
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if i see .22 lr and the price is super inflated. i wont buy and i make a little mental note of the price gouger (sp?) and when things get back to normal i will shop elsewhere. maybe I'm wrong but $2 a box for standard velocity plinkin ammo was the norm before it all went crazy. $7 for 100 rounds of cci in the plastic box
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Good point, Brian; sort of like the guy I buy my Western Boots from. He is a small businessman struggling to compete with the Outlet store that rhymes with Branch. The local people are often family and always friends.
Steve, you are correct = gouger (overcharge; swindle) is not my friend and I refuse to go business there. When it gets down to the short hair, none of us can afford to support gougers.
I am thinking about making a t-shirt. . . . LOL
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I don't know about a year, but if we all stopped buying .22LR (at least on line) for 1 or 2 months, that would get the message across and prices would definitley come down. Unfortunately the distributors set prices high as well because of the high demand. They are to blame too. That is what local gun shops are telling me - that the distributors have raised the prices unfairly, and not the manufacturers. We know the manufacturers have not done it other than the customary 10-11% annual increase, because Midway and Walmart still charge $6.99 and $7.47 respectively for CCI Mini Mags when you can find them. Yes these companies buy huge volume, but I read stories of small local gunshops still asking $2.99 for Blazers and $7.99 for Mini Mags and $25.99 for 500 round bulk packs, so we know the markup is by certain distributors, but mainly by the retailers who are gouging. It kills me when I see on line retailers listing Mini Mags for $19.95 and Federal 525 bulk packs for $89 and they still sell out within a few minutes. That's a shame. If those people would stop paying those high prices, we would all be better off. I could make a small fortune with my .22LR stash, but I am not like one of those gougers.
Feel free to send an email to Walmart Corporate. It certainly can't hurt. It's somewhere off their main web site where they ask for feedback, and one of the options to select is "problem with a store" IRCC. Like I said one of my ammo complaints did get back to the store manager and he made them put the ammo on the shelf every morning under a asst. manager's supervision, but that didn't last long and they went back to their old ways. The Sporting Good employees excuse was that gougers come in to purchase the ammo for reselling so the decided to put ammo out at differents times to throw those people off (they never put out .22LR). That does not hold water with me because they can only get 3 boxes, or 6 if they bring their wife. These gougers on Gun Broker and elsewhere have BOT programs that scan all the online stores for ammo, and are programmed to purchase the ammo and automatically enter the credit card# and account info, etc. They do it 100 times faster than we can by typing, and they also purchase more ammo under different account names, because it's all done very fast by the BOT programs they run. That's how they get all their ammo. They don't waste time driving to Walmart to check for ammo every day and get 3 boxes.
Harry
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Exactly Mike!
Take my Ruger take down I have pictured above. I paid 340$. When we where cabelas for the blazer ammo my buddie pointed out they had same gun 319$. First off I would not deal with cabelas for a gun purchase. I was doing gun transactions before most of the guys behind the counter where thoughts in there daddy's heads. What most of them now call knoledge most of us have forgotten!!!! ::)
My point a smaller shop cannot compete monetarily but the can clober them on customer service, convience and one on one comrodare. Not to mention the trust friendships that can be built and that to me is worth loads more than the 20-30$ I may have saved.
CW
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I agree Brian. I will give my business to the local shop and pay $20 more for a gun. There is nothing like talking to someone in person about the product, and a smile and handshake go a long way. That way I also support the local small businesses, not a multi-million (or billion) $ corporation.
Most of the time I find that the price comes out about the same in the end. If I order a gun from an Internet store it has to be shipped to my FFL and I have to pay him a $30 fee. Most gun shops will waive the transfer fee if you purchase the gun from them, so I am usually only out a few bucks because of the sales tax. However, I have discovered that some of my local gun shops (LGS) can beat even Bud's prices, Grabagun.com, etc. Those online stores have also raised their prices a little too high, and appear to be taking advantage of the increased sales and high demand. I was suprised when I got quoted lower prices by my LGS. On my last gun purchase I actually came out ahead than if I ordered on line.
Harry
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one of my local shops IS one of the shops that "Saves" ammo for their friends and family!! I recently ordered a Savage FVSR from them and of course i asked "Got any .22LR" immediately one guy said no, but before that the other guy said hang on a sec, went in the back room a brought me out 3 boxes of 22LR. the other dude gave him the "look of death" I asked when that came in because i am always looking for 22 ammo for my other 22s as well.. He said they get it in all the time and usually always have some in stock. Funny thing is i never see it on the shelf and when i ask if they have any i always get the "No" answer. but what clued me in was just the other day i was browsing around after i asked the firearms desk person if they had 22 in stock, of course they said no.. while browsing and getting totally ignored while the two good ole boy best buds talked about assorted &^^& i moved on, but while checking out i noticed good ole boy with 4 boxes of 22LR!!! I ask where did he find that!! he said that they had it at the firearms counter!! So i rush back to the firearms counter hoping that perhaps they just got in a shipment. i was told they didn't have any .22LR I tell them i just saw some guy purchase some AFTER i asked if they had any!!! i got that deer in the headlight look, then he fumbled around and said it was special 22LR ammo that the customer had ordered.. I then said cool i want to order some! It was the CCI high velocity stuff.. they promptly said it was on "back order"... yeah right.....
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At this point in time I take any .22 I can get my hands on... provided the seller isn't trying to gouge me.
Agreed! There was a time that I would buy nine or ten boxes of different brands to see which one the gun I was shooting liked best, then buy five or six bricks of the same lot to do my best to insure consistency for six months or so. But these days I take what I can get most of the time. Around here they're lined up outside the Big 5 every Monday morning waiting to clean out that weeks shipment.
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Swedge, you will like the Savage Mark II FV-SR. It shoots best with CCI Standard Velocity (good luck finding it) as far as subsonic domestic ammo goes. It also likes the Eley line like Eley Target and Club. 3/8" CTC @ 50yds or sub-1/2 groups with a decent lot from those 3, and you can get 1/4" on a calm day with the Club. It shoots the CCI Mini Mags really well too (0.6" @ 50) and better than any high-velocity .22LR ammo I have tried which is 15 or more other types. Most Lapua & RWS (subsonic ammo) will give you 1/2" groups too but they are expensive. Avoid CCI quiet. You will get shotgun patterns. I can shoot better with an air pistol than I can with any of my .22LR's using CCI Quiet. That ammo is junk.
What you described is what is happening at the 2 Walmart stores near me. They have not put any .22LR ammo on the shelves since June-July. Their friends come in and they bring it out just for them, or take it out from the cabinet under the register/counter and ring them up when they think noone is looking. It's a shame the store managers don't know they are doing this or don't care.
Let's hope this will be over in a few months. It's already getting better gradually because the manufacturers have increased production, and many hoarders have enough ammo to last them several life times, but you still have to be lucky to find some. I have enough for at least 10yrs in every caliber I own, so I stopped buying several months ago. I still get some 9 and .357 on line here and there, because prices have dropped almost back to normal for those and I just can't resist :)
Harry
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I am really glad to see some others who are like minded in this ammo "shortage". I have had to tell many a people that if you quit panicking and buying .22 at outrageous prices then the price will come down and we can all enjoy our .22's again.
A few weeks ago, and the first time in a LOOONNNNGGG time I bought 250 rounds of CCI Stingers. The price was decent so I bought them.
BZ
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I have been told by friends and neighbors that Gander Mountain has had .22LR ammo regularly lately, about once a week in great numbers and at decent prices. It still sells out within a few hours, so if you have a GM store in your area check it or call them regularly. The nearest GM is a bit far for me (26 miles), but when I was there a few weeks ago, they had plenty of other ammo. They also had a huge display on the floor of Remington core-lokt big game calibers at almost 2012 prices. Certainly cheaper than the last time I was there. Probably a thousand boxes or more of .243, .270, .308, 30-30, 30-06, 7mm and 300 Mag. All of these were about $2 less per box than Walmart.
My Walmart has been getting a good amount of centerife in, but they have not lowered the prices like other big box stores and on-line vendors. I was able to get a few boxes of Fed, Win. and Rem. 30-30 on line for $14.99 to $15.69 recently, but Walmart is still $17.47 after a couple of price increases last year and earlier this year. WM used to be one of the cheapest around but not anymore. They probably do not know how to reduce a price. GM and Dicks and others have a much better system and are aware of the market, because they have reduced their ammo prices. The WM shelves are now pretty full (except .22LR) because they are the highest around me, and have not adjusted their prices like most others. I doubt they will.
Harry
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yeah I can find almost normal prices on everything except 22, and it seems 308 is still running a bit high but I can actually find 308... almost makes me think about picking up some kind of AR just for the cheaper ammo!!
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Just bought three boxes of Federal Lightning 40 gr solids for $1.97 a box at Wallyworld.
Can't wait to try them out. I have never shot this brand because I usually shoot Mini-Mags.
But, Its been a while since I found Mini-Mags.
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It's the Federal 510 (as in Fed. 710, 810, etc.) that comes in a blue box. Same exact ammo. Just renamed "Lightning" for Walmart. If you notice on the side it says "510".
It's Federal's cheapest ammo, like Thunderbolt is for Remington, but it's not too bad from what I have read. My Walmart has those for $2.47 once in a blue moon. I bought a couple of boxes from them a few months ago, but I havent' tried it yet. I put them in my reserve stash, for a rainy day ;)
I was at Gander Mountain again a couple of days ago because I was in the area, and they were loaded with pistol ammo. I walked out with huge bulk boxes of 9mm and some 357. The cheap stuff, but it will do :) No 22LR though :(
Harry