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Airguns by Make and Model => Benjamin Airguns => Topic started by: Keepingitsimple on April 09, 2022, 09:07:10 AM
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Alchemy SUPER UPGRADED Crosman 362 RIFLE MODIFIED TO .22 TACTICAL BELLS WHISTLES
Price: US $420.00
https://www.ebay.com/itm/294896859995 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/294896859995)
The new Crosman 362 is NORMALLY a .22 caliber pump rifle that has a long easy to pump stroke and produces great power with 8 pumps- 700 fps with standard lead .22 pellets. 850 is claimed with alloy pellets!
For additional power beyond the stock ratings just given, we have installed one of our Pump RP valves, a power hammer spring and +25% transfer port. No chrony data yet, but we have determined that it will dump all of 12 pumps!... for some serious increase in fps and penetration.
On this one, we have also removed the rear stock and rifle trigger, then modified the forearm so that a 22xx trigger frame can be installed.
To that frame we have added a rear stock and power adjusting adapter!
We have replaced the stock plastic breech with a metal one and further added a tactical rail and a metal 3 MOA red dot as well!
Oh! and a SS roll pin replacer AND a trigger shoe.
The sear spring has been clip tuned for less trigger pull force required.
We have used the 21 inch .22 caliber Rifled Steel Barrel
A functional push on moderator handles noise very well.
We tried to throw everything but the kitchen sink at this one. There is hardly anything left to possibly mod.
This is for the person that wants ALL THE GOODIES and wants it ALREADY DONE!
Please see our other 362 iterations we have listed: a pumper .177 rifle... and another is a .22 pumper long pistol, etc.
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Yesterday, I ordered a .22 SE Disco barrel and a Maximus slip on adapter for a 1/2-20 can.
Shortly, I'll be determining the difference in power and hopefully a tad better accuracy as well. I'm guesstimating a conservative 698 fps/15 fpe at 8 pumps for the 24 inch barrel using a 14.3 cphp/cpum.
I think I'm going to like having a longer barreled version of the 362.
That will be ... MY ... 'SUPER UPGRADED Crosman 362 RIFLE MODIFIED TO .22 TACTICAL BELLS WHISTLES'.
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I've been wanting to upgrade the valve in my 362, but I need to get a set of roll pin punches first so I can even get it out of the tube. I've yet to see any chrono data from valve swapped 362's. Mine didn't pick up any power with the enlarged transfer port, but I didn't expect it to without changing anything else first.
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Crosman c362, 24" barrell, steel breech, boss T/f port, extended bolt probe. Beast Mode!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxREf23YjIU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxREf23YjIU)
The uploader said 5-6 pumps is all he needs unless he is shooting over 35 yards.
Looks like Eddie posted on this thread. GTA members do get around. ;)
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Eddie B
3 weeks ago
Several guys on GTA have added longer barrels, a few have converted them to .177. I went the other way and converted one to .25. It's making 15 fpe with an 18 inch barrel.
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Crosman c362, 24" barrell, steel breech, boss T/f port, extended bolt probe. Beast Mode!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxREf23YjIU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxREf23YjIU)
The uploader said 5-6 pumps is all he needs unless he is shooting over 35 yards.
Looks like Eddie posted on this thread. GTA members do get around. ;)
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Eddie B
3 weeks ago
Several guys on GTA have added longer barrels, a few have converted them to .177. I went the other way and converted one to .25. It's making 15 fpe with an 18 inch barrel.
And now I posted there due to the video poster recommended Alliance Hobby as a source for parts, but they have had a bad track record for the last year or so.
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fug·ly
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very ugly or unattractive.
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fug·ly
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very ugly or unattractive.
The "tactical" stock is super weird. The OEM stock is really great and performs well.
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Crosman 362 .22 cal. chronograph test and accuracy review!..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4xnMeN-Dpw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4xnMeN-Dpw)
Chrony and/or accuracy testing in the top vid was done with the OEM length barrel.
Two bottom vid's are tested with the 24 inch barrel.
Crosman c362 accuracy. 9 shots @ 45yds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQf-riRtdno (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQf-riRtdno)
Crosman 362 chronograph results after upgrades..14- fpe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj6AU8L3M0w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj6AU8L3M0w)
Chrony testing at 15 yards for 14 fpe? M'kay.
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And now I posted there due to the video poster recommended Alliance Hobby as a source for parts, but they have had a bad track record for the last year or so.
I noticed one guy said AH was where he found his 24 inch .177 barrel.
I tried to order the .177 Disco SE barrel from Crosman yesterday. Lady I talked to said they're OOS; but, she told me the best time to check back for availability.
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fug·ly
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adjectiveINFORMAL
very ugly or unattractive.
I thought you had at least one 362 with a 24 inch barrel, Phil?
My bad.
It's a little different, I'll grant you. Kinda puts me in mind of a M-14 rifle. M-14's have a 22 inch barrel with a 4 inch long flash suppressor. 362 with a 24 inch barrel and a can will be a few inches longer.
Might even take me as many shots as the 1st 10 shot group I fire with it to get used to the extra length. ;)
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And now I posted there due to the video poster recommended Alliance Hobby as a source for parts, but they have had a bad track record for the last year or so.
I noticed one guy said AH was where he found his 24 inch .177 barrel.
I tried to order the .177 Disco SE barrel from Crosman yesterday. Lady I talked to said they're OOS; but, she told me the best time to check back for availability.
Call back…talk to this guy…sometimes those CS folks are wrong…good luck
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Call back…talk to this guy…sometimes those CS folks are wrong…good luck
Thank you very much, Phil. I'll call him Monday.
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Alchemy SUPER UPGRADED Crosman 362 RIFLE MODIFIED TO .22 TACTICAL BELLS WHISTLES
Price: US $420.00
https://www.ebay.com/itm/294896859995 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/294896859995)
The new Crosman 362 is NORMALLY a .22 caliber pump rifle that has a long easy to pump stroke and produces great power with 8 pumps- 700 fps with standard lead .22 pellets. 850 is claimed with alloy pellets!
For additional power beyond the stock ratings just given, we have installed one of our Pump RP valves, a power hammer spring and +25% transfer port. No chrony data yet, but we have determined that it will dump all of 12 pumps!... for some serious increase in fps and penetration.
On this one, we have also removed the rear stock and rifle trigger, then modified the forearm so that a 22xx trigger frame can be installed.
To that frame we have added a rear stock and power adjusting adapter!
We have replaced the stock plastic breech with a metal one and further added a tactical rail and a metal 3 MOA red dot as well!
Oh! and a SS roll pin replacer AND a trigger shoe.
The sear spring has been clip tuned for less trigger pull force required.
We have used the 21 inch .22 caliber Rifled Steel Barrel
A functional push on moderator handles noise very well.
We tried to throw everything but the kitchen sink at this one. There is hardly anything left to possibly mod.
This is for the person that wants ALL THE GOODIES and wants it ALREADY DONE!
Please see our other 362 iterations we have listed: a pumper .177 rifle... and another is a .22 pumper long pistol, etc.
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Yesterday, I ordered a .22 SE Disco barrel and a Maximus slip on adapter for a 1/2-20 can.
Shortly, I'll be determining the difference in power and hopefully a tad better accuracy as well. I'm guesstimating a conservative 698 fps/15 fpe at 8 pumps for the 24 inch barrel using a 14.3 cphp/cpum.
I think I'm going to like having a longer barreled version of the 362.
That will be ... MY ... 'SUPER UPGRADED Crosman 362 RIFLE MODIFIED TO .22 TACTICAL BELLS WHISTLES'.
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Or a 26" Maximum barrel.
They are said to be better than Disco barrels ;D
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Or a 26" Maximum barrel.
They are said to be better than Disco barrels ;D
Maximus barrel is a little long: Rick; (he said, knowing he just alienated the Maximus owners at GTA).....seriously, its possible I might eventually get one. If and/or when someone else does it, uploads a vid of their testing like the guy who did the vids I've posted. If it is an actual upgrade, then why not?
I had an epiphany about this. Most of the pumpers we have used or know about tend to be short, light or fairly light, compact, carbines. 18 inch barrels being the norm. Or, shorter.
The 362 and the Air Venturi Mk2 Butterfly...er ah...Click Beetle, I mean...Ooops, that's not right either...Hmm,..Oh well, it'll come to me...
Go in the opposite direction in barrel length and I say that is a good thing.
Consider: The 24 inch barrel will be good for approx 698 fps/15.5 fpe with 14.3 gr and 8 pumps.
The Alchemy 362 that is the subject of the OP will be capable of much greater power at 12 pumps.
Evidently, its safe to pump the 362 12 times with regularity.
10 pumps with the 24 incher would be good for approx 730 fps/17 fpe. We're getting into serious, spring piston/NP2 territory there, aren't we?
How about 12 pumps for approx 760 fps/18.3 fpe ?
I think I can do some 50 yard hunting with ballistics like that. How about you?
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The 362 is ugly. That thing takes ugly to a new level. Too ugly. Not just ugly but sloppily executed ugly. No class.
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The 362 is ugly. That thing takes ugly to a new level. Too ugly. Not just ugly but sloppily executed ugly. No class.
The 362 certainly does not resemble the type of pumper we have all grown up with. That's an inescapable fact.
And yet, this one is the same 362 everyone else has, just with a barrel that is 3 inches longer.
What counts though is how my soon to be much uglier/no class 362 does on the range. It'll be hitting a tad harder, that's for sure.
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Here's another Alchemy modded 362:
Alchemy Upgraded Crosman 362 RIFLE MODIFIED TO .22 CALIBER LONG PISTOL! WOOHOO!
US $211.88
https://www.ebay.com/itm/294896809886?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200818143230%26meid%3De7248fd3a4234094b0e59ff34f454e67%26pid%3D101224%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D294896859995%26itm%3D294896809886%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganicWeb%26brand%3DCrosman&_trksid=p2047675.c101224.m-1 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/294896809886?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200818143230%26meid%3De7248fd3a4234094b0e59ff34f454e67%26pid%3D101224%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D294896859995%26itm%3D294896809886%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganicWeb%26brand%3DCrosman&_trksid=p2047675.c101224.m-1)
The new Crosman 362 is NORMALLY a .22 caliber pump rifle that has a long easy to pump stroke and produces great power - 700 fps with standard lead .22 pellets. 850 is claimed with alloy pellets!
On this one, we have removed the rear stock and rifle trigger, then modified the forearm so that a 22xx trigger frame can be installed. Voila! The 362 Pistol (but also carbine stock ready if you feel the need!
21 inch .22 caliber Rifled Steel Barrel
Crosman Standard breech, rear sight and front sight.
This is a mean and accurate gun in almost stock form. This is ALL and EXACTLY what somebody needs!
Please see our other 362 iterations we have listed: a pumper .177 rifle... and another is a full out tactical super-modified rifle, etc.
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I love the marketing ... "This is ALL and EXACTLY what somebody needs!"
They might be right.
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Ok, now the juices are really flowing. I can't help it.
Alchemy Upgraded Crosman 362 RIFLE MODIFIED TO .177 CALIBER ! WOOHOO!!!
US $191.88
https://www.ebay.com/itm/304422071353?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200818143230%26meid%3De7248fd3a4234094b0e59ff34f454e67%26pid%3D101224%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D294896859995%26itm%3D304422071353%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganicWeb%26brand%3DCrosman&_trksid=p2047675.c101224.m-1 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/304422071353?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200818143230%26meid%3De7248fd3a4234094b0e59ff34f454e67%26pid%3D101224%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D294896859995%26itm%3D304422071353%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganicWeb%26brand%3DCrosman&_trksid=p2047675.c101224.m-1)
The new Crosman 362 is NORMALLY a .22 caliber pump rifle that has a long easy to pump stroke and produces great power - 700 fps with standard lead .22 pellets. 850 is claimed with alloy pellets!
But in .177 caliber, it has even more fps... perhaps FAR MORE!
I have not chronied yet, but in testing it passed through 32 layers of cardboard in my poor man's chrony testing! The .22 passes through 20 +/- layers. Unbelievable penetration!
.24 inch .177 caliber Rifled Steel Barrel
Crosman Standard breech, rear sight and front sight.
This is a mean and accurate gun in almost stock form. This is ALL and EXACTLY what somebody needs!
Please see our other 362 iterations we have listed (a pumper .22 long pistol... and another is a full out tactical super-modified rifle, etc.
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Only cost me $166….to build my .177 including the steel breech….good luck
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Only cost me $166….to build my .177 including the steel breech….good luck
$166 is doable. Might just be the cost of a barrel and a slip on adapter though. I'll find out Monday.
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Only cost me $166….to build my .177 including the steel breech….good luck
Very interested in that !!
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fug·ly
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very ugly or unattractive.
Yeah, who puts a stock of an FN light machinegun on a single shot air rifle ?
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Only cost me $166….to build my .177 including the steel breech….good luck
Very interested in that !!
to clarify,that was the cost of gun,.177 barrell and breech…of course LDC and scope was extra…..good luck
Disco barrel is 24”…local gunsmith said he would cut and crown if I brought just the barrel in…we didnt talk price….havent decided yet…since its a bench gun…
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Only cost me $166….to build my .177 including the steel breech….good luck
Very interested in that !!
to clarify,that was the cost of gun,.177 barrell and breech…of course LDC and scope was extra…..good luck
Disco barrel is 24”…local gunsmith said he would cut and crown if I brought just the barrel in…we didnt talk price….havent decided yet…since its a bench gun…
You might want to leave it at 24 inches, Phil.
After reading David Grimes description of the performance of the 24 inch barrel:
"I have not chronied yet, but in testing it passed through 32 layers of cardboard in my poor man's chrony testing! The .22 passes through 20 +/- layers. Unbelievable penetration!"
I too use Grimes 'poor mans chrony' for my testing. Pity he didn't say specifically how many layers of cardboard were penetrated...'20 +/- layers' is a little imprecise for my taste.
Anyway, the .177 evidently exceeds the penetration of the .22. But, by how much? 20% 25%?
Be nice to nail that down.
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Only cost me $166….to build my .177 including the steel breech….good luck
Very interested in that !!
to clarify,that was the cost of gun,.177 barrell and breech…of course LDC and scope was extra…..good luck
Disco barrel is 24”…local gunsmith said he would cut and crown if I brought just the barrel in…we didnt talk price….havent decided yet…since its a bench gun…
You might want to leave it at 24 inches, Phil.
After reading David Grimes description of the performance of the 24 inch barrel:
"I have not chronied yet, but in testing it passed through 32 layers of cardboard in my poor man's chrony testing! The .22 passes through 20 +/- layers. Unbelievable penetration!"
I too use Grimes 'poor mans chrony' for my testing. Pity he didn't say specifically how many layers of cardboard were penetrated...'20 +/- layers' is a little imprecise for my taste.
Anyway, the .177 evidently exceeds the penetration of the .22. But, by how much? 20% 25%?
Be nice to nail that down.
My chroniy test is will the pellet (.177/22) go thru a chili can @ 25 yards…LOL…I’m good………..good luck
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My chroniy test is will the pellet (.177/22) go thru a chili can @ 25 yards…LOL…I’m good………..good luck
I'm going to call that guy bright and early Monday morning and see if I can change my order from the .22 parts I ordered to the .177 parts.
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fug·ly
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adjectiveINFORMAL
very ugly or unattractive.
Yeah, who puts a stock of an FN light machinegun on a single shot air rifle ?
Back_Roads did. Looks pretty cool too.
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fug·ly
/ˈfəɡli/
adjectiveINFORMAL
very ugly or unattractive.
Yeah, who puts a stock of an FN light machinegun on a single shot air rifle ?
Back_Roads did. Looks pretty cool too.
I think his is an AR style stock, not a stock from an FN machine gun, which looks really weird connected to a 362. The AR stock looks much more at home.
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fug·ly
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adjectiveINFORMAL
very ugly or unattractive.
Yeah, who puts a stock of an FN light machinegun on a single shot air rifle ?
Might not be the FN light machinegun you're thinking about?
https://fnherstal.com/en/news/the-new-fn-evolys-ultralight-machine-gun-for-the-first-time-at-dsei/ (https://fnherstal.com/en/news/the-new-fn-evolys-ultralight-machine-gun-for-the-first-time-at-dsei/)
Might just be my old tired eyes; but, the stock used for the FN is not the stock used for the 362 mod.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/294896859995 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/294896859995)
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fug·ly
/ˈfəɡli/
adjectiveINFORMAL
very ugly or unattractive.
Yeah, who puts a stock of an FN light machinegun on a single shot air rifle ?
Might not be the FN light machinegun you're thinking about?
https://fnherstal.com/en/news/the-new-fn-evolys-ultralight-machine-gun-for-the-first-time-at-dsei/ (https://fnherstal.com/en/news/the-new-fn-evolys-ultralight-machine-gun-for-the-first-time-at-dsei/)
Might just be my old tired eyes; but, the stock used for the FN is not the stock used for the 362 mod.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/294896859995 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/294896859995)
You would pick the most atypical FN machine gun.
This is the FN we are talking about: https://fnamerica.com/products/machine-guns/fn-m249-saw/ (https://fnamerica.com/products/machine-guns/fn-m249-saw/)
It's known as the Squad Automatic Weapon in the Army and the most commonly found FN machine gun you will find. In fact when I googled "FN Machine Gun" that's the first picture that showed up. Also, I'm sure you will notice that the stock looks just like the one on your Ebay link... So yeah, it has an FN machine gun stock on a pumper.
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The looks of that butt stock just doesn't fit that gun imo, I bet he'd sell more if he used a more common style.
maybe something more like this? it's only $20....
https://www.opticsplanet.com/aero-precision-m4-sliding-stock.html (https://www.opticsplanet.com/aero-precision-m4-sliding-stock.html)
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Yes it's clearly modeled after the stock for the FN Minimi,AKA M249 " S.A.W " in American service.
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It looks like the aftermarket SAW butt stock that Entrrprise Arms was selling for The FAL a few years back. Cheaper than Dirt had them and CAI.
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Yeah, who puts a stock of an FN light machinegun on a single shot air rifle ?
Yes it's clearly modeled after the stock for the FN Minimi,AKA M249 " S.A.W " in American service.
You're sure? It's the 'FN light machinegun' ? 'The FN Minimi,AKA M249 " S.A.W " in American service'?
I'm just not seeing what you're seeing. Sure, the 2 two stocks are similar. But the stock on the 362 is longer .
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/FN_MINIMI_Standard_Right.jpg/600px-FN_MINIMI_Standard_Right.jpg)
Vs
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/mz8AAOSw~XBiRmB3/s-l1600.jpg)
I don't like the stock on Grimes steroided 362 either. I do like the concept of a steroided 362 though, don't you? Did you watch the vids I posted? Pretty informative, I thought.
Looks like there's a small improvement in velocity just from using a 24 inch barrel.
24 inch barrel puts the 362 into spring piston territory power wise. Would you agree that is a fair statement?
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I just pre-ordered the .177 Disco SE barrel and another slip on 1/2-20 adapter. I wasn't able to get the fellow Phil recommended on the phone; but, while the lady I talked to said it might be as long as 2 weeks before the barrel is shipped to me that it will be worth the wait. Apparently, there is an increase in demand for those barrels.
In the meantime, I'll be testing the .22 Disco SE barrel.
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I saw the three versions he had listed on his site. The thing I noticed is that he uses the plastic breach or the short steel breach on them? Some are probably ok with this but for the price point... the long steel breach would have made this more attractive. The higher FPS can be achieved much cheaper if that is what one is looking for. The "AR" style stock on this gun while using the original pump handle just doesn't appeal to me, but that is just me. ;)
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I saw the three versions he had listed on his site. The thing I noticed is that he uses the plastic breach or the short steel breach on them? Some are probably ok with this but for the price point... the long steel breach would have made this more attractive. The higher FPS can be achieved much cheaper if that is what one is looking for. The "AR" style stock on this gun while using the original pump handle just doesn't appeal to me, but that is just me. ;)
Grimes uses the OEM stock for the .177 version; but again as you noticed, he uses the plastic breech instead of the steel breech.
Grimes is pretty easy to talk to on the phone or in emails. Might not be a bad idea to see how much he'd take for a stock 362 to be modded with the same parts he's using for his steroided version.
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I saw the three versions he had listed on his site. The thing I noticed is that he uses the plastic breach or the short steel breach on them? Some are probably ok with this but for the price point... the long steel breach would have made this more attractive. The higher FPS can be achieved much cheaper if that is what one is looking for. The "AR" style stock on this gun while using the original pump handle just doesn't appeal to me, but that is just me. ;)
Grimes uses the OEM stock for the .177 version; but again as you noticed, he uses the plastic breech instead of the steel breech.
Grimes is pretty easy to talk to on the phone or in emails. Might not be a bad idea to see how much he'd take for a stock 362 to be modded with the same parts he's using for his steroided version.
I don’t see any chrony numbers. I wouldn’t call it a “Steroid “ on cardboard layers. It would need to improve to 18 fpe.
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I just pre-ordered the .177 Disco SE barrel and another slip on 1/2-20 adapter. I wasn't able to get the fellow Phil recommended on the phone; but, while the lady I talked to said it might be as long as 2 weeks before the barrel is shipped to me that it will be worth the wait. Apparently, there is an increase in demand for those barrels.
In the meantime, I'll be testing the .22 Disco SE barrel.
Whose adapter (1/2x20) did u buy…thanks
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I don’t see any chrony numbers. I wouldn’t call it a “Steroid “ on cardboard layers. It would need to improve to 18 fpe.
I would call it a steroid based on the 32 layers of cardboard the .177 penetrated versus the 20+/- layers of cardboard the OEM .22 penetrated and it is to my understanding the fps/fpe of the .22 OEM 362 with the 24 inch barrel at 12 pumps can be as high as 760 fps with 14.3 gr.
There's your 18 fpe right there.
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I just pre-ordered the .177 Disco SE barrel and another slip on 1/2-20 adapter. I wasn't able to get the fellow Phil recommended on the phone; but, while the lady I talked to said it might be as long as 2 weeks before the barrel is shipped to me that it will be worth the wait. Apparently, there is an increase in demand for those barrels.
In the meantime, I'll be testing the .22 Disco SE barrel.
Whose adapter (1/2x20) did u buy…thanks
It's the Benjamin adapter for the Maximus, Phil.
Part # 6-2250XL-001.
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Yeah, I personally don't care for the tactical looking mods on these 362 guns but I get the 'tinkering factor'. I love turning inexpensive guns into something of my own as I did with both of ours in .177, one 18" barrel and one 21" barrel. But, one of the main attractions to this gun for me was the traditional stock they came with.
To each their own.
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Yeah, I personally don't care for the tactical looking mods on these 362 guns but I get the 'tinkering factor'. I love turning inexpensive guns into something of my own as I did with both of ours in .177, one 18" barrel and one 21" barrel. But, one of the main attractions to this gun for me was the traditional stock they came with.
To each their own.
We be on the same page… :D
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I don’t see any chrony numbers. I wouldn’t call it a “Steroid “ on cardboard layers. It would need to improve to 18 fpe.
I would call it a steroid based on the 32 layers of cardboard the .177 penetrated versus the 20+/- layers of cardboard the OEM .22 penetrated and it is to my understanding the fps/fpe of the .22 OEM 362 with the 24 inch barrel at 12 pumps can be as high as 760 fps with 14.3 gr.
There's your 18 fpe right there.
Going to need a flat top piston and the works to get 760 fps using 14.3 crosman pellets. The 700$ gun the other company has will do it.
21 to 24 inch barrel may not gain hardly anything in .22 caliber considering the small valve size of 2.0 cc.
I think .177 goes further in cardboard because of its size , same as .25 will go less than .22 .
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I don’t see any chrony numbers. I wouldn’t call it a “Steroid “ on cardboard layers. It would need to improve to 18 fpe.
I would call it a steroid based on the 32 layers of cardboard the .177 penetrated versus the 20+/- layers of cardboard the OEM .22 penetrated and it is to my understanding the fps/fpe of the .22 OEM 362 with the 24 inch barrel at 12 pumps can be as high as 760 fps with 14.3 gr.
There's your 18 fpe right there.
Going to need a flat top piston and the works to get 760 fps using 14.3 crosman pellets. The 700$ gun the other company has will do it.
21 to 24 inch barrel may not gain hardly anything in .22 caliber considering the small valve size of 2.0 cc.
I think .177 goes further in cardboard because of its size , same as .25 will go less than .22 .
You beat me to it on the penetration test. A chronograph is the only way to even come close to figuring out muzzle energy without having a very specific target material. Anyone boasting power need to have a chronograph to back it up, otherwise it's all subjective and anecdotal.
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The power is all very well. And power sells. But I don’t buy guns that don’t appeal to me aesthetically. There are lots of powerful guns on the market. Why should I buy this one? The look will appeal to some but I prefer the look and feel of a steel and hardwood gun. Put a nice wood stock on it and I’ll buy one!
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I don’t see any chrony numbers. I wouldn’t call it a “Steroid “ on cardboard layers. It would need to improve to 18 fpe.
I would call it a steroid based on the 32 layers of cardboard the .177 penetrated versus the 20+/- layers of cardboard the OEM .22 penetrated and it is to my understanding the fps/fpe of the .22 OEM 362 with the 24 inch barrel at 12 pumps can be as high as 760 fps with 14.3 gr.
There's your 18 fpe right there.
Going to need a flat top piston and the works to get 760 fps using 14.3 crosman pellets. The 700$ gun the other company has will do it.
21 to 24 inch barrel may not gain hardly anything in .22 caliber considering the small valve size of 2.0 cc.
I think .177 goes further in cardboard because of its size , same as .25 will go less than .22 .
The guy who uploaded the vids I posted saw gains in fps with the 24 inch barrel he used. He also did his testing with snow on the ground.
I've already documented the fps gains in past posts. And, how they are accomplished.
I bolded your speculation.
I don't like to speculate myself. Or make guesses.
Conjecture, etc.
What ... 'might be' ... or ...'could be' ... or 'may not' or ...'may be', etc., are not words that I use.
Paraphrasing Joe Friday ... "Just the facts, Man"!
You don't have to trust me or take my words at more than face value. But, ...
David Grimes of Alchemy Airwerks is the person selling these upgrades.
He is the person putting his reputation on the line.
Do you think Mr. Grimes is not on the level?
Here's an idea? Email him and ask him about everything you are unsure of.
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The power is all very well. And power sells. But I don’t buy guns that don’t appeal to me aesthetically. There are lots of powerful guns on the market. Why should I buy this one? The look will appeal to some but I prefer the look and feel of a steel and hardwood gun. Put a nice wood stock on it and I’ll buy one!
I'm not buying one either. Although, I will likely email David at some point ask him to recommend power mods for further upgrading my own 362. OEM 362 with the 24 inch .177 Disco SE barrel will do me nicely.
Would've been nice had he mentioned which pellet it was that penetrated 32 layers of cardboard.
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Yeah, I personally don't care for the tactical looking mods on these 362 guns but I get the 'tinkering factor'. I love turning inexpensive guns into something of my own as I did with both of ours in .177, one 18" barrel and one 21" barrel. But, one of the main attractions to this gun for me was the traditional stock they came with.
To each their own.
I hear that. I am not in favor of the tactical look on any airgun.
I haven't shown off my 362 to many people so far; but, everyone that has seen it was mucho impressed at the macho look it has. There is a certain cringe factor it possesses.
I suspect the cringe factor level will be increased somewhat when I put the longer barrel, adapter and can on.
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I am indeed cringing right now.
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well I do deal in theoretical... educated by experience having fun building pumpers and a bit of math...and Bobs post here fill in the gaps very well...
just with a stock .1 ci valve My 362-17 long(Maximus barrel) hits peak power (8 pumps) with 13.4g Monster at 14.3 fpe at just under 700 fps... The Seneca 16.g are just a bit over weigh and output drops to 13.5 fpe... over-pumping to 10 pumps well that gets them to 657 fps/15.4 fpe...
Crosman engineers have stated the 362 uses a 13xx valve...volume mods can enlarge the modded stock valve to about 30% more volume...some mild flow mods will help also... with a .13 ci valve ten pump will be about 100 psi less than the stock valve at 8 pumps... 11 pumps will be about 100 psi over... 12 pumps probably about 225 psi...
So yep 18 fpe on 12 pumps looks to be very possable even at 16g in .177... .22 will be bout /20+ fpe if all is done well... and that is with a pump cup not flat top piston and valve... Strain on the rifle will be very near the same as stock at 11 pumps.. ;)
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Maybe 'cringe factor' isn't the expression I'm looking for.
Cringe
The feeling of physical discomfort without something physical happening to your body, that is usually caused by: second-hand embarrassment, witnessing physical discomfort happening to someone or something else, opinions and acts that you disagree with on a fundamental level and so on.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cringe (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cringe)
Or, maybe it is the right expression, after all.
The maintenance person of my apt complex after seeing for herself how easy it is to whip out 8 pumps (which it should given how pumps 4-8 have the same pump effort as the 2nd pump of a Benji 392)...told me the 362 looks like something that Daniel Craig would use in the latest Bond flick. She was WAYYY impressed.
Other neighbors of mine had a look of fear in their eyes at their first look of my 362, (I think its the can on it), until I dropped the pump arm and they could see that it was an air gun. After that realization the look in their eyes turned to interest.
Just about everybody I've come across wants one for themselves.
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well I do deal in theoretical... educated by experience having fun building pumpers and a bit of math...and Bobs post here fill in the gaps very well...
just with a stock .1 ci valve My 362-17 long(Maximus barrel) hits peak power (8 pumps) with 13.4g Monster at 14.3 fpe at just under 700 fps... The Seneca 16.g are just a bit over weigh and output drops to 13.5 fpe... over-pumping to 10 pumps well that gets them to 657 fps/15.4 fpe...
Crosman engineers have stated the 362 uses a 13xx valve...volume mods can enlarge the modded stock valve to about 30% more volume...some mild flow mods will help also... with a .13 ci valve ten pump will be about 100 psi less than the stock valve at 8 pumps... 11 pumps will be about 100 psi over... 12 pumps probably about 225 psi...
So yep 18 fpe on 12 pumps looks to be very possable even at 16g in .177... .22 will be bout /20+ fpe if all is done well... and that is with a pump cup not flat top piston and valve... Strain on the rifle will be very near the same as stock at 11 pumps.. ;)
I saw the info you posted at Phil's .177 362 thread. Gotta tell you, those figures convinced me to go .177 on the 362.
I'm going to hold off getting another 362 until Crosman has another 10% off sale or PA has an equivalent sale. I'll be testing the .22 Disco barrel first; but after the .177 barrel gets here, that's likely to become my main airgun for awhile.
I'd guesstimated 20% less power with .177; so with 18 fpe - 3.6 fpe for 13.4 fpe ... and your figures bore that out well. Folks can do a lot with 13.4 fpe in a .177 rifle. The Brits will envy us.
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To each their own, I remember in high school everyone wanted mustang's and camaro's, I wanted a cougar because nobody had one lol.
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well I do deal in theoretical... educated by experience having fun building pumpers and a bit of math...and Bobs post here fill in the gaps very well...
just with a stock .1 ci valve My 362-17 long(Maximus barrel) hits peak power (8 pumps) with 13.4g Monster at 14.3 fpe at just under 700 fps... The Seneca 16.g are just a bit over weigh and output drops to 13.5 fpe... over-pumping to 10 pumps well that gets them to 657 fps/15.4 fpe...
Crosman engineers have stated the 362 uses a 13xx valve...volume mods can enlarge the modded stock valve to about 30% more volume...some mild flow mods will help also... with a .13 ci valve ten pump will be about 100 psi less than the stock valve at 8 pumps... 11 pumps will be about 100 psi over... 12 pumps probably about 225 psi...
So yep 18 fpe on 12 pumps looks to be very possable even at 16g in .177... .22 will be bout /20+ fpe if all is done well... and that is with a pump cup not flat top piston and valve... Strain on the rifle will be very near the same as stock at 11 pumps.. ;)
I hope to verify some theory soon when I build my 362.
Most of my experience is with the late model 392. Sometimes one has to speculate because you can’t build everything to test it out.
I guess a 392 could make 600 fps on two pumps but can’t say with certainty because I haven’t tried.I could be wrong. I thought a 392 could make 50 fpe in theory but when I attempted it, I only managed 45 fpe.
I can see even more power than 20 fpe in the 362 . Hammer strike and valve size will be the limiting factors as I see it.
If someone builds up one more powerful than mine, I may take up the challenge.
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well I do deal in theoretical... educated by experience having fun building pumpers and a bit of math...and Bobs post here fill in the gaps very well...
just with a stock .1 ci valve My 362-17 long(Maximus barrel) hits peak power (8 pumps) with 13.4g Monster at 14.3 fpe at just under 700 fps... The Seneca 16.g are just a bit over weigh and output drops to 13.5 fpe... over-pumping to 10 pumps well that gets them to 657 fps/15.4 fpe...
Crosman engineers have stated the 362 uses a 13xx valve...volume mods can enlarge the modded stock valve to about 30% more volume...some mild flow mods will help also... with a .13 ci valve ten pump will be about 100 psi less than the stock valve at 8 pumps... 11 pumps will be about 100 psi over... 12 pumps probably about 225 psi...
So yep 18 fpe on 12 pumps looks to be very possable even at 16g in .177... .22 will be bout /20+ fpe if all is done well... and that is with a pump cup not flat top piston and valve... Strain on the rifle will be very near the same as stock at 11 pumps.. ;)
I hope to verify some theory soon when I build my 362.
Most of my experience is with the late model 392. Sometimes one has to speculate because you can’t build everything to test it out.
I guess a 392 could make 600 fps on two pumps but can’t say with certainty because I haven’t tried.I could be wrong. I thought a 392 could make 50 fpe in theory but when I attempted it, I only managed 45 fpe.
I can see even more power than 20 fpe in the 362 . Hammer strike and valve size will be the limiting factors as I see it.
If someone builds up one more powerful than mine, I may take up the challenge.
How many pumps is 45 FPE?! That's pretty stout .22 PCP territory, and basically making a 392 into a single-ish shot PCP.
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Pretty interesting to read what some guys are getting out of these pumpers but I'll never over pump my guns.
Thanks for the sacrifice... ;)
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Pretty interesting to read what some guys are getting out of these pumpers but I'll never over pump my guns.
Thanks for the sacrifice... ;)
Personally I would rather hand pump my PCPs at these higher power levels, but to each their own. 15 strokes (not counting priming strokes) to fill my regulated bandit for one magazine, averaging 14 FPE and getting six to eight shots per fill. That's way more efficient than any 362 pumper. Putting the long barrel onto the Bandit further increases the efficiency as I'm getting even more power from the same number of pumps. I love my c362, but it needs some work to address the leaking valve and vertical stringing. If I had deeper pockets I would just send it off to someone to do all the work, but I need to order a set of roll pin punches and get in there myself.
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Same here...
... 3 to 4 pumps at 500 FPS is the sweet spot for me. Doing 4 in .22 reached that so in .177 should be able to do it in 3? It's nice knowing the gun is capable of much more, and it's great having that, but truth is that I've never needed more than 5 or 6 with either of my modded 13xx guns. ;)
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Oh I get it, some have the need for speed. I do too in certain cases. Just not at the cost of the equipment.
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Oh I get it, some have the need for speed. I do too in certain cases. Just not at the cost of the equipment.
Cost of the equipment?
Crosman 1322 pump arm linkage lever - U.S. $12.48
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SALE-Crosman-FORE-ARM-LEVER-LINK-ASSEMBLY-for-1322-1377-BACKPACKER/291109608475 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/SALE-Crosman-FORE-ARM-LEVER-LINK-ASSEMBLY-for-1322-1377-BACKPACKER/291109608475)
WOW! The price used to be $7.50. Now, its $12.48.
DON'T OVER PUMP your pumpers, Guys. Otherwise, you too will have to pay $12.48 to fix your 13xx.
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Same here...
... 3 to 4 pumps at 500 FPS is the sweet spot for me. Doing 4 in .22 reached that so in .177 should be able to do it in 3? It's nice knowing the gun is capable of much more, and it's great having that, but truth is that I've never needed more than 5 or 6 with either of my modded 13xx guns. ;)
Most of the time I too stick to around 500 fps in .22 or around 580 fps in .177.
However, as I have pointed out a time or two already ... I have an upcoming 70 yard pigeon project.
I may be able to complete that project using the .22 Disco SE barrel.
I have no doubt in my mind that I will be able to finish that project with the .177 Disco SE barrel.
More fps = flatter trajectory.
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Oh I get it, some have the need for speed. I do too in certain cases. Just not at the cost of the equipment.
Cost of the equipment?
Crosman 1322 pump arm linkage lever - U.S. $12.48
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SALE-Crosman-FORE-ARM-LEVER-LINK-ASSEMBLY-for-1322-1377-BACKPACKER/291109608475 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/SALE-Crosman-FORE-ARM-LEVER-LINK-ASSEMBLY-for-1322-1377-BACKPACKER/291109608475)
WOW! The price used to be $7.50. Now, its $12.48.
DON'T OVER PUMP your pumpers, Guys. Otherwise, you too will have to pay $12.48 to fix your 13xx.
That's not the only stress point. The roll pin holes in the tube get oblonged as well.
Like I said before... it's yours, wash it as fast as you want.
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Oh I get it, some have the need for speed. I do too in certain cases. Just not at the cost of the equipment.
Cost of the equipment?
Crosman 1322 pump arm linkage lever - U.S. $12.48
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SALE-Crosman-FORE-ARM-LEVER-LINK-ASSEMBLY-for-1322-1377-BACKPACKER/291109608475 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/SALE-Crosman-FORE-ARM-LEVER-LINK-ASSEMBLY-for-1322-1377-BACKPACKER/291109608475)
WOW! The price used to be $7.50. Now, its $12.48.
DON'T OVER PUMP your pumpers, Guys. Otherwise, you too will have to pay $12.48 to fix your 13xx.
That's not the only stress point. The roll pin holes in the tube get oblonged as well.
Like I said before... it's yours, wash it as fast as you want.
Crosman 1322/1377 pump tube. New factory item. - $16.00
https://www.ebay.com/itm/334386336858 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/334386336858)
Like I said before, Guys ... DON'T OVER PUMP your pumpers. Otherwise, you too will eventually have to pay $16.00 to fix your 13xx.
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Oh I get it, some have the need for speed. I do too in certain cases. Just not at the cost of the equipment.
Cost of the equipment?
Crosman 1322 pump arm linkage lever - U.S. $12.48
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SALE-Crosman-FORE-ARM-LEVER-LINK-ASSEMBLY-for-1322-1377-BACKPACKER/291109608475 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/SALE-Crosman-FORE-ARM-LEVER-LINK-ASSEMBLY-for-1322-1377-BACKPACKER/291109608475)
WOW! The price used to be $7.50. Now, its $12.48.
DON'T OVER PUMP your pumpers, Guys. Otherwise, you too will have to pay $12.48 to fix your 13xx.
That's not the only stress point. The roll pin holes in the tube get oblonged as well.
Like I said before... it's yours, wash it as fast as you want.
Crosman 1322/1377 pump tube. New factory item. - $16.00
https://www.ebay.com/itm/334386336858 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/334386336858)
Like I said before, Guys ... DON'T OVER PUMP your pumpers. Otherwise, you too will eventually have to pay $16.00 to fix your 13xx.
Plus $12.48 for the linkage plus shipping (if applied). So, I guess it's worth it to gain a few fpe.. :o
BTW... I don't think the 1322/1377 linkage and tube are the same as the 362. Matter of fact.. I don't think you can even get parts for the 362 yet.
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It may be best to stay below 6 pumps for durability. I see some issues. Nothing that can’t be addressed. My 20 fpe 362 will be much more durable than one never pumped over four.
The pump lever used in the 362 is a modified 392.
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It may be best to stay below 6 pumps for durability. I see some issues. Nothing that can’t be addressed. My 20 fpe 362 will be much more durable than one never pumped over four.
The pump lever used in the 362 is a modified 392.
I'm going to surmise you're unaware of the torture test Crosman did with the 362?
10,000 shots - 8 pumps each. 88,000 pump strokes. No malfunctions.
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Wonder how many they would have got with 10, 12, and 15 pumps per shot?
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Oh I get it, some have the need for speed. I do too in certain cases. Just not at the cost of the equipment.
Cost of the equipment?
Crosman 1322 pump arm linkage lever - U.S. $12.48
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SALE-Crosman-FORE-ARM-LEVER-LINK-ASSEMBLY-for-1322-1377-BACKPACKER/291109608475 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/SALE-Crosman-FORE-ARM-LEVER-LINK-ASSEMBLY-for-1322-1377-BACKPACKER/291109608475)
WOW! The price used to be $7.50. Now, its $12.48.
DON'T OVER PUMP your pumpers, Guys. Otherwise, you too will have to pay $12.48 to fix your 13xx.
That's not the only stress point. The roll pin holes in the tube get oblonged as well.
Like I said before... it's yours, wash it as fast as you want.
Crosman 1322/1377 pump tube. New factory item. - $16.00
https://www.ebay.com/itm/334386336858 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/334386336858)
Like I said before, Guys ... DON'T OVER PUMP your pumpers. Otherwise, you too will eventually have to pay $16.00 to fix your 13xx.
Plus $12.48 for the linkage plus shipping (if applied). So, I guess it's worth it to gain a few fpe.. :o
BTW... I don't think the 1322/1377 linkage and tube are the same as the 362. Matter of fact.. I don't think you can even get parts for the 362 yet.
Given how Crosman did a 10,000 shot torture test using 8 pumps each without any malfunctions; if it turns out I need to make repairs to my 362 upon the 10,001st shot, then, so be it.
I suspect that's going to be awhile though. ;)
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Wonder how many they would have got with 10, 12, and 15 pumps per shot?
Using 88,000 strokes as the baseline; one can figure it out mathematically.
Keeping in mind the 362 used in their testing did not malfunction
They could have kept going and likely should have kept going until the 362 did eventually malfunction.
If it ever did, that is.
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LOL.... that proves that you're good to go at the recommended max strokes of the gun.
Again, you paid for it... have at it.
Since my opening statement I've only expressed my intentions.
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Somehow I can hear my dad saying:
"That wrench is not a hammer boy, go get a hammer".
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LOL.... that proves that you're good to go at the recommended max strokes of the gun.
Again, you paid for it... have at it.
Since my opening statement I've only expressed my intentions.
I likely will be pumping mine a tad more when my SE barrel's get here in regard to my pigeon project.
Which will be purely in the nature of comparing the trajectory at 70 yards.
See what it does at 8 pumps, then 10, then maybe 12.
After the pigeons are in my freezer where they belong, there should be no further need for over pumping.
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I was looking for my thread on the pair I bought and converted to .177. 1 barrel at 21" and the other at 18" just to give you some reference but I can't seem to locate it.
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Found it.....
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.0)
Some numbers with 18" .177
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.msg156272780#msg156272780 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.msg156272780#msg156272780)
Some side by side numbers with 18" vs. 24" in .177
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.msg156272850#msg156272850 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.msg156272850#msg156272850)
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Found it.....
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.0)
I was looking at your thread the other day, Bill.
I almost posted in it. I was going to ask you if you had tested either one of your .177 barrels before cutting and crowning them.
That would be some useful info and perhaps, even the subject for a future thread if you chose to create it.
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Found it.....
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.0)
I was looking at your thread the other day, Bill.
I almost posted in it. I was going to ask you if you had tested either one of your .177 barrels before cutting and crowning them.
That would be some useful info and perhaps, even the subject for a future thread if you chose to create it.
Yep... revisit my last post.. I modified it.
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Remember, in those strings... first 4 shots are at 5 pumps and second 4 shots are at 8 pumps.
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Some side by side numbers with 18" vs. 24" in .177
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.msg156272850#msg156272850 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.msg156272850#msg156272850)
I definitely need a better pair of reading glasses. (New pair of eyes wouldn't hurt either).
I couldn't make anything out in the pic you posted after downloading it.
Edit - It's OK. I'm using Vivaldi. I opened a new window and blew the page up. It's very readable now.
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I don't remember running a string after the final cut of the 24" barrel to 21". I'll try to remember to do that.
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Does this help? Click on the picture.
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I don't remember running a string after the final cut of the 24" barrel to 21". I'll try to remember to do that.
Ok. 42 fps difference between 18" and 24" barrels?
Split the difference and call it 21 fps for 21" and 24"?
There's about a 30 fps difference between the 21 and the 24 in .22.
WOW! A whopping gain of 21 fps for the extra 3 inches of barrel.
So much for the adage that an inch of barrel is good for 10 fps, eh?
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Does this help? Click on the picture.
Thank you. Definitely helps.
And that is with 10.5 CPUMS.
How is it doing with the H&N 10.65's?
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Yep. I often find real time results somewhat differ from lofty reports.
So, what I've done with these 2 guns is made them into exactly what I intended. Plinkers and short range pesters.
Mostly Betty Lou and I have paintball, army men and paper competitions. We have several sets of twin guns in various platforms. These will be among our favorites along with the Sheridans, M/M 880s and a couple sets of low power springers. We also have twins in low power PCP and C02 as well as various pistols.
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Does this help? Click on the picture.
Thank you. Definitely helps.
And that is with 10.5 CPUMS.
How is it doing with the H&N 10.65's?
I would have to look, it's either the 10.5 cpum or the H&N match 10.65.
10.5 CPUM.
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Yep. I often find real time results somewhat differ from lofty reports.
So, what I've done with these 2 guns is made them into exactly what I intended. Plinkers and short range pesters.
Mostly Betty Lou and I have paintball, army men and paper competitions. We have several sets of twin guns in various platforms. These will be among our favorites along with the Sheridans, M/M 880s and a couple sets of low power springers. We also have twins in low power PCP and C02 as well as various pistols.
I was re-reading your "This is my 362" thread. I liked this line:
"After I got the #805 she was able to pump it without issue but complained about the little .177 pellets."
A couple of ladies I know also found my 362 easy to pump. We've already had this discussion of why the 362 is easy to pump. LOL
It kills me whenever I see people posting of how they're having trouble pumping the 362.
You could knock me over with a feather, way I'll be laughing whenever I see those.
Guess they're eating tofu for breakfast instead of Wheaties, maybe?
EDIT - Ooops, wait a minute. I've been eating miso soup with breakfast for the past month. It has tofu in it.
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Yes, I spoiled her on the .22 and .25 pellets.
She can be such a 'girl' at times... :o
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Yes, I spoiled her on the .22 and .25 pellets.
She can be such a 'girl' at times... :o
Looks like Jsb 13.43 is OOS for awhile.
Guess I'll order some more 10.5 CPUM and H&N 10.65.
21 inch barrel is more accurate for you than the 24?
I'm not too concerned about a 0.5 fpe loss either. Accuracy is more important.
I saw a few posts about a 22 incher from Mac1.
I'd always planned on having the barrel cut and crowned to 21 anyway.
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I wouldn't say it's more or less accurate. I even got great results even with the 18" as seen in this post.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.msg156272623#msg156272623 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.msg156272623#msg156272623)
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Why buy a 24" barrel to cut and crown it at 21"? Certainly there must be some .177 barrels in the 20-22" range?
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I read somewhere that anything over 22" was counter productive to fps because the valve volume wasn't enough and it would actually slow the pellets, from what I'm seeing here that seems to be bs.
Good to know, I hate when theory's are passed off as facts.
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The power is all very well. And power sells. But I don’t buy guns that don’t appeal to me aesthetically. There are lots of powerful guns on the market. Why should I buy this one? The look will appeal to some but I prefer the look and feel of a steel and hardwood gun. Put a nice wood stock on it and I’ll buy one!
I am the thumbhole only fan. By necessity I need the grip to be vertical and not laid back like a traditional stock. I do get the blued and wood though, beautiful combination.
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I read somewhere that anything over 22" was counter productive to fps because the valve volume wasn't enough and it would actually slow the pellets, from what I'm seeing here that seems to be bs.
Good to know, I hate when theory's are passed off as facts.
They must be thinking of . 22 cal.
In .177 it does help.
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Why buy a 24" barrel to cut and crown it at 21"? Certainly there must be some .177 barrels in the 20-22" range?
Nope, not to my knowledge. Besides, the 24" barrel is only like $20 through Crosman. You ain't gonna find anything that cheap at any length. However, if you're not equipped or have the experience to chop and crown one it's another story. I've done several.. I just happened to have a more professional source to do this one... free. ;D
Somewhere in the thread I linked above is the actual cost of the 24". I'm sure it was right around $20 give or take.
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I wouldn't say it's more or less accurate. I even got great results even with the 18" as seen in this post.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.msg156272623#msg156272623 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=195418.msg156272623#msg156272623)
That being the case, considering there is the slight velocity gain with the 24, then it seems there is little advantage to having it cut and crowned. Might as well leave it whole.
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Yessir... I only did it so as not to have that long barrel hanging out there. The factory barrel is 22" and many hang another 4" or so for the LDC.
I remember some guys even looking into a 26" barrel.
Like I said, I just wanted a pair of compact plinker pesters in the 'lego' platform with the full stock they came with.
The only reason I went with the 18" is because I already had it on hand from another 'lego' project. After I put it on there it just grew on me. And I kinda like loud and proud. ;) The original plan was both to be 21".
Granted, you cannot put an LDC on the 18" without further irreversible modifications.... another thing I didn't want to get into.
At this point in the game, all my 'lego' guns can be broken down, put in a pile and make something different... kinda like an airgun erector set.
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I read somewhere that anything over 22" was counter productive to fps because the valve volume wasn't enough and it would actually slow the pellets, from what I'm seeing here that seems to be bs.
Good to know, I hate when theory's are passed off as facts.
They must be thinking of . 22 cal.
In .177 it does help.
Now that I think about it the 1322 was the subject, does the 362 use the same valve?
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Yessir... I only did it so as not to have that long barrel hanging out there. The factory barrel is 22" and many hang another 4" or so for the LDC.
I remember some guys even looking into a 26" barrel.
Like I said, I just wanted a pair of compact plinker pesters in the 'lego' platform with the full stock they came with.
The only reason I went with the 18" is because I already had it on hand from another 'lego' project. After I put it on there it just grew on me. And I kinda like loud and proud. ;) The original plan was both to be 21".
Granted, you cannot put an LDC on the 18" without further irreversible modifications.... another thing I didn't want to get into.
At this point in the game, all my 'lego' guns can be broken down, put in a pile and make something different... kinda like an airgun erector set.
I think my LDC is longer than that...Heh, ... yep, it'll be longer.
Only disadvantage I can think of would be if I was hunting in heavy brush. Lots of vines, etc.
Oh wait...I don't hunt in heavy brush anymore. Guess the one disadvantage it might have isn't a concern after all.
Might have to watch the ceiling when shooting inside. Since I point it straight up to snap a pellet in. That might be something to watch out for.
I think I said already the extra length would (at worst) only remind me of the M-14 rifle. That rifle does have a 22 inch long barrel and a 4 inch long flash suppressor. The length was a little disadvantageous in the jungle. My 362 would be even longer than that. Better stay out of the brush with it, huh? ;)
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Just gotta watch them ceiling fans.... :o
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Just gotta watch them ceiling fans.... :o
After I made that post I looked up and saw my ceiling fan....and started wondering if I should edit my post.
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UPS says my .22 Disco SE barrel will be here Thursday. Hopefully it won't take a 3 day detour in East Syracuse New York like my 362 did.
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UPS now says my barrel and adapter will be here Friday.
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Does this help? Click on the picture.
That pic sure does help. What head size did you use for the H&N 10.65's you used and/or use?
I went to PA to order a couple of tins along with a couple of CPUM and there's four different head sizes.
This is a good article:
https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/hn-baracuda-match-10-65-grain-177-caliber-pellet-test-review/#:~:text=As%20mentioned%20above%2C%20the%20head%20diameters%20of%20the,HAM%20was%20just%200.44%25.%20That’s%20very%20good%20consistency.
It says their tin of 4.5 heads contained varying sizes:
"Although the Baracuda Match 10.65 Grain pellets tested by HAM did provide consistent head sizes, unfortunately the average – and most common – head diameter was 4.53 mm. The base of the tin was marked 4.50 mm.
As mentioned above, the head diameters of the Baracuda Match 10.65 Grain pellets tested by HAM were very consistent. 86% had a head diameter of 5.53 mm.
With a smallest head diameter of 4.52 mm and the largest being 4.54 mm, the variation in head diameter in the pellets tested by HAM was just 0.44%.
As can be seen from the chart below, the most common measured pellet weights were 10.52 and 10.63 Grains. 16% of the tested pellets had either of these weights.
The variation in weight between the lightest and heaviest pellets was 2.68%, from a lowest of 10.43 Grains to the heaviest at 10.71 Grains.
Unfortunately, length consistency of the Baracuda Match 10.65 Grain pellets tested by HAM was rather below average. The average length was 6.76 mm, ranging from the shortest pellet at 6.60 mm up to the longest at 6.93 mm. This is a variation of 5.0% in length.
The most common length was 6.70 mm. 10% of the pellets tested were of this length."
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So a single tin of 4.5 contains different head sizes, weights and length's?
Great performance downrange. I noticed they didn't test them for accuracy.
Better stay away from the 4.5, huh?
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I'm not looking at them right now but if memory serves me they were 4.52.
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Just looked up my order from PA and they are indeed 4.52.
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I'm not looking at them right now but if memory serves me they were 4.52.
Thanks Bill; that's the head size that comes to mind whenever I see folks talking about the 10.65 and that was the size I'd intended to go with. I was kinda surprised when there were several kinds of the same pellet.
Is the 4.52 the size you ordered with that 15 tin order?
I was also a little surprised at the similarity in price between the 10.65 and the 10.5 CPUM's.
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This was an 8 tin order.
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This was an 8 tin order.
My bad. I thought you said you have 15 of them.
I kinda figured the 10.65 was shooting a lil better for you than the CPUM's.
I'm going to get a couple of each. The 4.52's are a dollar cheaper than the 4.5's.
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This was an 8 tin order.
My bad. I thought you said you have 15 of them.
I kinda figured the 10.65 was shooting a lil better for you than the CPUM's.
I'm going to get a couple of each. The 4.52's are a dollar cheaper than the 4.5's.
I may have 15 on hand... the 8 tins were my most recent order.
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I may have 15 on hand... the 8 tins were my most recent order.
Smart buy, I'd say. The RABBIT12 code works.
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I bought them before the RABBIT12 code. I used GATEWAY-PYRAMYD. Gta's exclusive discount code for 10%.
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I bought them before the RABBIT12 code. I used GATEWAY-PYRAMYD. Gta's exclusive discount code for 10%.
The pellets I really want to try are the JSB 13.42's. I'm on PA's waiting list for notification.
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NEW Crosman 362 FULL REVIEW
https://www.bakerairguns.com/general/new-crosman-362-full-review/ (https://www.bakerairguns.com/general/new-crosman-362-full-review/)
Credit goes to Tack Driver 10 / Ron for posting the vid to this in the NEW Crosman 362 thread. I'm reposting this part as it pertains to the theme of this thread.
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The first thing I want to tell you about the new 362 is that it is a very powerful multi-pump .22 caliber airgun. The advertised muzzle velocity with the maximum of 8 pumps and using “lead pellets” is 700fps. Using the JSB 15.89gr pellets and 8 pumps, I got an average velocity of 610fps and 13.1ft-lbs of muzzle energy! This is plenty of energy to hunt most small game animals. What’s more is that you can increase the velocity and energy of the gun by simply adding a longer barrel…..and possibly another product as well. We’ll talk more about that later.
This is interesting:
If you want to make more power, you can add our Baker Airguns Max-Flow valve for Crosman 362 which added 60fps to an otherwise stock gun.
https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/max-flow-valve-for-crosman-362/ (https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/max-flow-valve-for-crosman-362/)
You can also add a longer barrel.
https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/crosman-1377c-1322c-rifled-barrels/ (https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/crosman-1377c-1322c-rifled-barrels/)
The combination of our Max-Flow Valve for 362 and a 24″ barrel added 77fps. We sell Crosman .22 Caliber Rifled Steel Barrels from 7″ up to 24″.
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Really great review.
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NEW Crosman 362 FULL REVIEW
https://www.bakerairguns.com/general/new-crosman-362-full-review/ (https://www.bakerairguns.com/general/new-crosman-362-full-review/)
Credit goes to Tack Driver 10 / Ron for posting the vid to this in the NEW Crosman 362 thread. I'm reposting this part as it pertains to the theme of this thread.
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The first thing I want to tell you about the new 362 is that it is a very powerful multi-pump .22 caliber airgun. The advertised muzzle velocity with the maximum of 8 pumps and using “lead pellets” is 700fps. Using the JSB 15.89gr pellets and 8 pumps, I got an average velocity of 610fps and 13.1ft-lbs of muzzle energy! This is plenty of energy to hunt most small game animals. What’s more is that you can increase the velocity and energy of the gun by simply adding a longer barrel…..and possibly another product as well. We’ll talk more about that later.
This is interesting:
If you want to make more power, you can add our Baker Airguns Max-Flow valve for Crosman 362 which added 60fps to an otherwise stock gun.
https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/max-flow-valve-for-crosman-362/ (https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/max-flow-valve-for-crosman-362/)
You can also add a longer barrel.
https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/crosman-1377c-1322c-rifled-barrels/ (https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/crosman-1377c-1322c-rifled-barrels/)
The combination of our Max-Flow Valve for 362 and a 24″ barrel added 77fps. We sell Crosman .22 Caliber Rifled Steel Barrels from 7″ up to 24″.
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Really great review.
Thanks for the link on the valve, always nice to see more options, especially one that works well with the stock piton.
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Cosman just let me know my .177 Disco SE barrel is on the way. Supposed to get here Tuesday.
Gosh! That will leave me with only 4-5 days of testing the .22 SE barrel if it gets here today.
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So far this is not a Good Friday for me.
UPS email says its delayed again.
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Estimated delivery
The delivery date will be provided as soon as possible.
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Uh huh, past couple of days its been saying Friday by 7:00 pm.
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So far this is not a Good Friday for me.
UPS email says its delayed again.
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Estimated delivery
The delivery date will be provided as soon as possible.
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Uh huh, past couple of days its been saying Friday by 7:00 pm.
Take it easy, Jacob sir ;D
I will order me a LW barrel from them in a little while if they are available ;D
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I remember when it took weeks to get expensive stuff you ordered, before the majority of goods were made in China. Quality goods are worth the wait. A few years ago I ordered a beautiful pair of hand made moccasins, and they took three months to arrive after I paid in full. Worth every penny and day I waited, and even ordered another pair knowing it would take months to get them. This is the cost of buying American made goods from American vendors. I am impressed by how inexpensively Crosman can sell barrels and other parts while getting them into the hands of consumers within a week or two.
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So far this is not a Good Friday for me.
UPS email says its delayed again.
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Estimated delivery
The delivery date will be provided as soon as possible.
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Uh huh, past couple of days its been saying Friday by 7:00 pm.
Take it easy, Jacob sir ;D
I will order me a LW barrel from them in a little while if they are available ;D
Since UPS doesn't deliver on weekends; I'm probably looking at a delivery on Monday.
On the other hand, my pellets from PA shipped this morning as did my .177 SE barrel from Crosman.
Both are scheduled for a Tuesday delivery.
I'd planned on smoking my brisket tomorrow for Easter.
While it was smoking; I'd planned on introducing some neighbors I've been cultivating to my 362 for some front yard target practice.
In my front yard I have up to 70 yards space. it's just a question of getting the neighbors on my side. This particular neighbor is influential with the others.
Here's an oddity I'm noticing with UPS. My .22 barrel according to them weighs 1.5 lbs.
My .177 barrel weighs 1 pound according to UPS.
I would think the .177 would be the heavier barrel.
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I don't remember running a string after the final cut of the 24" barrel to 21". I'll try to remember to do that.
Ran a 5 shot string at 8 pumps with the 21" .177.
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I don't remember running a string after the final cut of the 24" barrel to 21". I'll try to remember to do that.
Ran a 5 shot string at 8 pumps with the 21" .177.
Nice going, Bill. I don't have a prob reading that one at all. 10.65 fps is higher than the 10.5's fps. Interesting.
How did it do with the 24 inch barrel?
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I don’t see any chrony numbers. I wouldn’t call it a “Steroid “ on cardboard layers. It would need to improve to 18 fpe.
I would call it a steroid based on the 32 layers of cardboard the .177 penetrated versus the 20+/- layers of cardboard the OEM .22 penetrated and it is to my understanding the fps/fpe of the .22 OEM 362 with the 24 inch barrel at 12 pumps can be as high as 760 fps with 14.3 gr.
There's your 18 fpe right there.
Going to need a flat top piston and the works to get 760 fps using 14.3 crosman pellets. The 700$ gun the other company has will do it.
21 to 24 inch barrel may not gain hardly anything in .22 caliber considering the small valve size of 2.0 cc.
I think .177 goes further in cardboard because of its size , same as .25 will go less than .22 .
You beat me to it on the penetration test. A chronograph is the only way to even come close to figuring out muzzle energy without having a very specific target material. Anyone boasting power need to have a chronograph to back it up, otherwise it's all subjective and anecdotal.
I can't understand why anyone that sells upgrade parts would use cardboard as a test to publish the results of. It does make consistent reproduceable results unconfirmable though, regardless if that is his motivation or not.
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I don’t see any chrony numbers. I wouldn’t call it a “Steroid “ on cardboard layers. It would need to improve to 18 fpe.
I would call it a steroid based on the 32 layers of cardboard the .177 penetrated versus the 20+/- layers of cardboard the OEM .22 penetrated and it is to my understanding the fps/fpe of the .22 OEM 362 with the 24 inch barrel at 12 pumps can be as high as 760 fps with 14.3 gr.
There's your 18 fpe right there.
Going to need a flat top piston and the works to get 760 fps using 14.3 crosman pellets. The 700$ gun the other company has will do it.
21 to 24 inch barrel may not gain hardly anything in .22 caliber considering the small valve size of 2.0 cc.
I think .177 goes further in cardboard because of its size , same as .25 will go less than .22 .
You beat me to it on the penetration test. A chronograph is the only way to even come close to figuring out muzzle energy without having a very specific target material. Anyone boasting power need to have a chronograph to back it up, otherwise it's all subjective and anecdotal.
I can't understand why anyone that sells upgrade parts would use cardboard as a test to publish the results of. It does make consistent reproduceable results unconfirmable though, regardless if that is his motivation or not.
Cardboard isn't even a good test of penetration in the first place.
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I can't understand why anyone that sells upgrade parts would use cardboard as a test to publish the results of. It does make consistent reproduceable results unconfirmable though, regardless if that is his motivation or not.
Because it works?
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I don't remember running a string after the final cut of the 24" barrel to 21". I'll try to remember to do that.
Ran a 5 shot string at 8 pumps with the 21" .177.
Nice going, Bill. I don't have a prob reading that one at all. 10.65 fps is higher than the 10.5's fps. Interesting.
How did it do with the 24 inch barrel?
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=198308.msg156314044#msg156314044 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=198308.msg156314044#msg156314044)
The one on the left is the 24" with 10.5. First 4 shots are 5 pumps, last 4 are 8.
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I can't understand why anyone that sells upgrade parts would use cardboard as a test to publish the results of. It does make consistent reproduceable results unconfirmable though, regardless if that is his motivation or not.
Because it works?
You could probably get different penetration on the same stack of cardboard from shot to shot with the same gun in the same caliber and same distance. A stack of catalogues, magazines, or phone books would be a much better test of penetration. The air gaps present in corrugated carboard just make it a really poor penetration test material.
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I don't remember running a string after the final cut of the 24" barrel to 21". I'll try to remember to do that.
Ran a 5 shot string at 8 pumps with the 21" .177.
Nice going, Bill. I don't have a prob reading that one at all. 10.65 fps is higher than the 10.5's fps. Interesting.
How did it do with the 24 inch barrel?
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=198308.msg156314044#msg156314044 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=198308.msg156314044#msg156314044)
The one on the left is the 24" with 10.5. First 4 shots are 5 pumps, last 4 are 8.
I should have asked my question better. Instead of asking ...How did it do with the 24 inch barrel? ... I should have asked...How did the 10.65 do with the 24 inch barrel?
Kinda surprised the 10.5 did 684 avg fps while the 10.65 did 721 fps which is 36 avg fps better.
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I can't understand why anyone that sells upgrade parts would use cardboard as a test to publish the results of. It does make consistent reproduceable results unconfirmable though, regardless if that is his motivation or not.
Because it works?
You could probably get different penetration on the same stack of cardboard from shot to shot with the same gun in the same caliber and same distance. A stack of catalogues, magazines, or phone books would be a much better test of penetration. The air gaps present in corrugated carboard just make it a really poor penetration test material.
It may give some idea that there is an increase but like using a piece of wood some parts are harder than other parts, so much testing and you can say there is an improvement but don't know how much. That doesn't work for me. I don't think Chronograph doesn't cost so much as to be prohibitive to a business the size of Dave's. Dave has sold thousands of parts and I have bought quite a bit from him, enough in fact that the profit would pay for several chronographs.
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It may give some idea that there is an increase but like using a piece of wood some parts are harder than other parts, so much testing and you can say there is an improvement but don't know how much. That doesn't work for me. I don't think Chronograph doesn't cost so much as to be prohibitive to a business the size of Dave's. Dave has sold thousands of parts and I have bought quite a bit from him, enough in fact that the profit would pay for several chronographs.
David uses a chrony. He says why he prefers the Lazy Mans chrony in the above link.
I believe it used to be called the 'poor mans chrony' ... now its called 'Lazy Man's Chrony'. (Whatever.)
http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/alchemy-blog (http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/alchemy-blog)
I qualify on both counts. I am poor and I am decidedly lazy.
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For some time now, my quick down and dirty (but relatively accurate) gauge of power results from my modifications has been the use of a stack of cardboard boxes bundled and turned up facing me. These boxes are folded and take up little room, are portable, and are 15 boxes deep... times two layers per folded box equals 30 layers. This is more than adequate to stop any of the 13xx and 22xx family of guns.
All I do is make certain the before and after shots are from the same distance (usually 5 meters in my main shop room). I use the stick on dots to give me a bunch of bulls to shoot at. If in a hurry, a Sharpie marker will give me something to shoot at in a hurry. Because the cardboard is so uniform, repetitive shots from a gun rarely varies more than one or two layers. For example: somebody sends me a 2240 to install a hot valve and port. I take the gun before and shoot five times into the boxes. I get 10 to 13 layers. OK. Then I install the valve and the port and make certain everything is buttoned up tight, then shoot five shots into a different spot of the cardbard boxes. I count layers and find 17 to 19 layers have been penetrated. Sweet. Mission accomplished. Now it is true I do not know the exact fps nor can I calculate the fpe, but I do know what I wanted to know: This man is paying for increased performance and he is fixing to get it.
You might say that this is the same as shooting a phone book. No, it's not. I can do a dozen or more sessions with one stack of boxes. I can keep the groupings separate. I can count the depth of penetration much faster (in seconds) and I can get boxes easily for free all year long,,, whereas I only have a few phone books and they read easier without holes blasted all into them.
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When I flat topped my .22 lego; I did a before and after testing on my lazy man chrony. Tested the penetration before I did the mod and after.
Do I know what my fps was on 10 pumps? Or 15 pumps? Or 20 pumps?
No, I do not. I do know the penetration increased on a par with Davids results.
I know that flat topping was and is worth the mod.
I felt the same way after I did the same mods to my 1389; although it kills me that I shelled out 4-5 hundred to have an airgun that has the same power as a $35 Daisy 880.
Please don't tell me I should have done this or added that or done ...something...anything...that YOU personally would have done or would do.
I am not you. Sure, I could get that $28 Asian chrony that everyone else seems to be getting and one day, I might just do that.
Maybe....if I decide that I need it. At present its not worth the price of the 2 tins of decent pellets that it costs. To me the pellets are the better investment.
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UPS notified me my .22 Disco SE barrel wil be here Monday as I surmised in Reply #115.
Barring any delays my .177 Disco SE barrel will be here Tuesday. As will the H&N 10.65 and 10.5 CPUM I ordered from PA.
While the thought of having 15 fpe at my disposal with the .22 barrel and 8 pumps is a winner; I'm going to hold off a day and put the .177 barrel on first.
Good thing my brisket is vacuum packed. I may do next Wednesday what I had planned on doing today.
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Jacob, I don't think I chronied anything other than the 10.5 with the 24" barrel. The plan was very quickly made to chop it to 21" right after I got it. I didn't like the long chucking javlin look of the 24" barrel and LDC. Both these guns were made for short to mid range utility guns. Other than those chrony tests, these guns will rarely, if ever, see more than 5 pumps.
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Jacob, I don't think I chronied anything other than the 10.5 with the 24" barrel. The plan was very quickly made to chop it to 21" right after I got it. I didn't like the long chucking javlin look of the 24" barrel and LDC. Both these guns were made for short to mid range utility guns. Other than those chrony tests, these guns will rarely, if ever, see more than 5 pumps.
I might not like what I call the 'M-14 look' either, Bill.
I'm hoping for decent 70 yard results though.
I checked Chairgun and it showed the 10.65 still has 6.14 fpe at 70 yards. 50% of what it started with.
If I was 10 feet away from a pigeon with a 1377 and 6.14 fpe that pigeon would be mine.
At 70 yards and 6.14 fpe....its a hmm,...
My favorite shot on a pigeon or any bird is the middle of the clavicle at the base of the neck where the wings meet (if I have my avian anatomy correct). I also like the profile shot underneath the base of the wing.
6.14 fpe will be plenty for those particular shots.
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Jacob, I don't think I chronied anything other than the 10.5 with the 24" barrel. The plan was very quickly made to chop it to 21" right after I got it. I didn't like the long chucking javlin look of the 24" barrel and LDC. Both these guns were made for short to mid range utility guns. Other than those chrony tests, these guns will rarely, if ever, see more than 5 pumps.
I might not like what I call the 'M-14 look' either, Bill.
I'm hoping for decent 70 yard results though.
I checked Chairgun and it showed the 10.65 still has 6.14 fpe at 70 yards. 50% of what it started with.
If I was 10 feet away from a pigeon with a 1377 and 6.14 fpe that pigeon would be mine.
At 70 yards and 6.14 fpe....its a hmm,...
My favorite shot on a pigeon or any bird is the middle of the clavicle at the base of the neck where the wings meet (if I have my avian anatomy correct). I also like the profile shot underneath the base of the wing.
6.14 fpe will be plenty for those particular shots.
U know from reading all your post…across the forum…….u might want to think about a name change…lol….joking…
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David uses a chrony. He says why he prefers the Lazy Mans chrony in the above link.
I believe it used to be called the 'poor mans chrony' ... now its called 'Lazy Man's Chrony'. (Whatever.)
I am not you. Sure, I could get that $28 Asian chrony that everyone else seems to be getting and one day, I might just do that.
Maybe....if I decide that I need it. At present its not worth the price of the 2 tins of decent pellets that it costs. To me the pellets are the better investment.
Jacob - if you got a chronograph, you could make tables of data to compare.
See example of data I have collected on my 392 valve mod.
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There is some irony in using chairgun to calculate FPE, drop, etc. but unwilling to use a chronograph to get the most accurate data.
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There is some irony in using chairgun to calculate FPE, drop, etc. but unwilling to use a chronograph to get the most accurate data.
I’m a Luddite. I distrust technology. I finally broke down and bought a Caldwell Precision Chronograph. $89 on Amazon. Had the thing now since January. Don’t know how I went so long without one!
Bite the pellet. If it’s only the cost of a couple of tins of good pellets it’s more than worth it!
You can’t really diagnose a problem or do any kind of meaningful airgun tuning without one.
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There is some irony in using chairgun to calculate FPE, drop, etc. but unwilling to use a chronograph to get the most accurate data.
I’m a Luddite. I distrust technology. I finally broke down and bought a Caldwell Precision Chronograph. $89 on Amazon. Had the thing now since January. Don’t know how I went so long without one!
Bite the pellet. If it’s only the cost of a couple of tins of good pellets it’s more than worth it!
You can’t really diagnose a problem or do any kind of meaningful airgun tuning without one.
My cheap Chinese chrono finally succumbed to being blasted off the muzzle of my big bore. I tried to fix it, and I got a few more months of service, but I ordered a new chrono from Wes recently that can even connect to my phone! Normally I am also a luddite, but I look forward to having a clear view of my shot string data.
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Jacob - if you got a chronograph, you could make tables of data to compare.
See example of data I have collected on my 392 valve mod.
Thank you Robert. I agree. Were I to do a valve change on my 392; a chrony would certainly come in handy.
For now, the best thing I can do is fire a 'before and after' using the Lazy Man chrony.
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There is some irony in using chairgun to calculate FPE, drop, etc. but unwilling to use a chronograph to get the most accurate data.
I’m a Luddite. I distrust technology. I finally broke down and bought a Caldwell Precision Chronograph. $89 on Amazon. Had the thing now since January. Don’t know how I went so long without one!
Bite the pellet. If it’s only the cost of a couple of tins of good pellets it’s more than worth it!
You can’t really diagnose a problem or do any kind of meaningful airgun tuning without one.
Chairgun is entirely adequate for my needs.
Best of all its free.
I haven't even received my .177 Disco barrel nor my pellets so far ... but, thanks to chairgun ... I already have the range tables I'll need for my 70 yard project.
If my drop is more than 11.18 at 70 yards; then I'll freely admit there is a velocity problem and that the best...Nay, ... the ONLY solution will be to get a chrony. M'kay?
Is that a workable compromise?
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Jacob, I don't think I chronied anything other than the 10.5 with the 24" barrel. The plan was very quickly made to chop it to 21" right after I got it. I didn't like the long chucking javlin look of the 24" barrel and LDC. Both these guns were made for short to mid range utility guns. Other than those chrony tests, these guns will rarely, if ever, see more than 5 pumps.
I might not like what I call the 'M-14 look' either, Bill.
I'm hoping for decent 70 yard results though.
I checked Chairgun and it showed the 10.65 still has 6.14 fpe at 70 yards. 50% of what it started with.
If I was 10 feet away from a pigeon with a 1377 and 6.14 fpe that pigeon would be mine.
At 70 yards and 6.14 fpe....its a hmm,...
My favorite shot on a pigeon or any bird is the middle of the clavicle at the base of the neck where the wings meet (if I have my avian anatomy correct). I also like the profile shot underneath the base of the wing.
6.14 fpe will be plenty for those particular shots.
U know from reading all your post…across the forum…….u might want to think about a name change…lol….joking…
Glad you noticed. I enjoy irony.
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My advice on the cheap chronos from China
Do not get the one with single LED lights - first pic
Get the one with a row of lights in top part - second pic
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My advice on the cheap chronos from China
Do not get the one with single LED lights - first pic
Get the one with a row of lights in top part - second pic
I haven't seen the one with the row of lights in the top part of it.
Gotta admit I like that one better than the other one.
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David uses a chrony. He says why he prefers the Lazy Mans chrony in the above link.
I believe it used to be called the 'poor mans chrony' ... now its called 'Lazy Man's Chrony'. (Whatever.)
I am not you. Sure, I could get that $28 Asian chrony that everyone else seems to be getting and one day, I might just do that.
Maybe....if I decide that I need it. At present its not worth the price of the 2 tins of decent pellets that it costs. To me the pellets are the better investment.
Jacob - if you got a chronograph, you could make tables of data to compare.
See example of data I have collected on my 392 valve mod.
*Sample of chart without a chrono. ;D
* = Your results may vary cuz guns are all diffrant un your cardboard may be from a fridge containor r a pasta box. :-\
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David uses a chrony. He says why he prefers the Lazy Mans chrony in the above link.
I believe it used to be called the 'poor mans chrony' ... now its called 'Lazy Man's Chrony'. (Whatever.)
I am not you. Sure, I could get that $28 Asian chrony that everyone else seems to be getting and one day, I might just do that.
Maybe....if I decide that I need it. At present its not worth the price of the 2 tins of decent pellets that it costs. To me the pellets are the better investment.
Jacob - if you got a chronograph, you could make tables of data to compare.
See example of data I have collected on my 392 valve mod.
*Sample of chart without a chrono. ;D
* = Your results may vary cuz guns are all diffrant un your cardboard may be from a fridge containor r a pasta box. :-\
Don't forget ...I also use the can test. Which is very reliable. ;)
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Speaking of the can test though; that brings up something ... the answer of which I have no idea off the top of my head.
When I speak of the can test; I am pf course speaking of using a C362 and/or a Benji 392 (preferably woodstocked) at 4 pumps giving approximately 500-515 fps with a .22 14.3 gr at 15 yards...and/or any equivalent such as the AV Mk1 or Mk2 at 4-5 pumps.
Here's the thing; while I am interested in the .22 Disco SE barrel I ordered, my main interest is in the .177 Disco SE barrel I ordered.
I have no idea of the minimum velocity / # of pumps necessary for a H&N 10.65 or a 10.5 Cpum to completely penetrate the can.
Guess I'll go through a few cans of green beans before I determine what it is.
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Speaking of the can test though; that brings up something ... the answer of which I have no idea off the top of my head.
When I speak of the can test; I am pf course speaking of using a C362 and/or a Benji 392 (preferably woodstocked) at 4 pumps giving approximately 500-515 fps with a .22 14.3 gr ...and/or any equivalent such as the AV Mk1 or Mk2 at 4-5 pumps.
Here's the thing; while I am interested in the .22 Disco SE barrel I ordered, my main interest is in the .177 Disco SE barrel I ordered.
I have no idea of the minimum velocity / # of pumps necessary for a H&N 10.65 or a 10.5 Cpum to completely penetrate the can.
Guess I'll go through a few cans of green beans before I determine what it is.
Cans are fair game as far as I am concerned.
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A while back I bought a ProChono Digital from the classified. It came with the light kit and the bluetooth add on. So I put my ProChrono Digital in the box and began using that one. Yesterday I duck footed into the tripod and knocked it over. Later I went to use it and it wouldn't turn on. I was sure it needed a new battery so I went to town and picked up a couple. No go, it didn't work. So I pulled my back up out, added thee light kit and the bluetooth and back in bidness. You know, I almost sold that thing once. Glad I didn't.
Someday I'll dig into the broke one and see if it just knocked a wire off inside or something... someday... :o
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Old license plates can be useful too, I only have 1 gun that can punch a hole through one with standard pellets. (1300kt with an 18 inch barrel pumped 28 times :o )
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Old license plates can be useful too, I only have 1 gun that can punch a hole through one with standard pellets. (1300kt with an 18 inch barrel pumped 28 times :o )
Once upon a time I seriously considered ordering a couple of tins of H&N Hornets in .177 and .22 for the chores where I might need more penetration..
I'm still considering it. Cpum/Cphp work just fine for me for the most part.
My pellets from PA arrived today. FedEx works on Sunday's. And, on Easter. Who knew?
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Speaking of the can test though; that brings up something ... the answer of which I have no idea off the top of my head.
When I speak of the can test; I am pf course speaking of using a C362 and/or a Benji 392 (preferably woodstocked) at 4 pumps giving approximately 500-515 fps with a .22 14.3 gr ...and/or any equivalent such as the AV Mk1 or Mk2 at 4-5 pumps.
Here's the thing; while I am interested in the .22 Disco SE barrel I ordered, my main interest is in the .177 Disco SE barrel I ordered.
I have no idea of the minimum velocity / # of pumps necessary for a H&N 10.65 or a 10.5 Cpum to completely penetrate the can.
Guess I'll go through a few cans of green beans before I determine what it is.
Cans are fair game as far as I am concerned.
The apt complex where I live has churches come by at Thanksgiving to drop off food boxes. Every year there's always a couple of cans of green beans. I despise canned green beans.
Pole beans/String beans that I grow myself are a different story. I can eat string beans, potatoes, and onion with bacon all day long. But, I digress...
Anyway, there's a drop off for unwanted/extra food by the mailboxes. Usually I drop the cans off there. Only to get them back the following Thanksgiving. Easier just to use them for targets.
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Expired canned goods are some of my favorite reactive targets!
Imagine a 25.4gr JSB King moving at aproximately 730 fps striking an expired can of Campbell’s cream of chicken soup (the kind with the convenient pull top can). The can cartwheels end over end in a spray of yellow ichor the convenient pop top blasted off in a geyser of expired soup! 8)
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Expired canned goods are some of my favorite reactive targets!
Imagine a 25.4gr JSB King moving at aproximately 730 fps striking an expired can of Campbell’s cream of chicken soup (the kind with the convenient pull top can). The can cartwheels end over end in a spray of yellow ichor the convenient pop top blasted off in a geyser of expired soup! 8)
I would rather eat the soup and shoot the empty can. Canned goods don't really "expire" like fresh foods.
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Expired canned goods are some of my favorite reactive targets!
Imagine a 25.4gr JSB King moving at aproximately 730 fps striking an expired can of Campbell’s cream of chicken soup (the kind with the convenient pull top can). The can cartwheels end over end in a spray of yellow ichor the convenient pop top blasted off in a geyser of expired soup! 8)
Works for me. I'm not overly fond of cream of chicken (Yuck!) 'soup' either.
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UPS just assured me my .22 barrel will be delivered today.
Wonderful. I'll clean it with goo gone and then...
Put it on and try it out, I guess.
You never know. A coon might come along this evening with an appetite for the plants in my garden.
And then do it all over again tomorrow when my .177 barrel gets here.
Nah. I'm gonna wait another day for my .177 barrel.
Clean it with goo gone, put it on and keep it on. ;D
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My .22 barrel and 1/2-20 adapter came in. I cleaned it with goo gone and then swapped barrels. It's now sighted in at a preliminary 10 yards.
The maximus adapter was loose on the barrel. A strip of scotch tape fixed that. Two strips would fix it permanently. For $9.65 I'd say this is the best 1/2-20 adapter there is.
The longer barrel does seem to give 3 pumps some extra pep. Not to mention hole in hole accuracy.
I might have been fooling myself. This .22 Disco SE barrel might stay on longer than I thought. At least until I kill something major with it.
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Sometimes you get lucky with Crosman barrels.
I have a 24" .177 that is very precise with 10g JSBs.
38 yards or was it meters?
(https://i.imgur.com/Xy72vh5.jpg)
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Sometimes you get lucky with Crosman barrels.
I have a 24" .177 that is very precise with 10g JSBs.
38 yards or was it meters?
(https://i.imgur.com/Xy72vh5.jpg)
Hopefully my 24" .177 will have that same accuracy.
It's going to be a big temptation not to put that one on when it gets here tomorrow.
In the meantime though; I can well believe my 362 is now getting approximately 700 fps with 8 pumps.
It's a shame there aren't iguana's where I live.
I'm getting an urge to kill a large varmint.
Oh wait, ... there's 15 pigeons on the telephone pole 70 yards away. Guess they're back from their vacation in Cancun.
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In the meantime though; I can well believe my 362 is now getting approximately 700 fps with 8 pumps.
Good eye to GUESS that - might be getting 640 fps
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In the meantime though; I can well believe my 362 is now getting approximately 700 fps with 8 pumps.
Good eye to GUESS that - might be getting 640 fps
Hardairmagazine says the 362 does 658 fps with 14.3 CPHP and 8 pumps.
We've already established the 24" barrel has approximately 30 fps more than does the 21" barrel.
658 + 30 = _______ (fill in the blank)
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All a Guess
There are so many variables.
Your rifle may not be the same as the one you are referencing.
Different condition of pump seal or hammer spring, etc.
All is just a guess on your part.
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All a Guess
There are so many variables.
Your rifle may not be the same as the one you are referencing.
Different condition of pump seal or hammer spring, etc.
All is just a guess on your part.
Uh huh...Sure wish you'd read through the thread before posting something like that, Robert.
well I do deal in theoretical... educated by experience having fun building pumpers and a bit of math...and Bobs post here fill in the gaps very well...
just with a stock .1 ci valve My 362-17 long(Maximus barrel) hits peak power (8 pumps) with 13.4g Monster at 14.3 fpe at just under 700 fps... The Seneca 16.g are just a bit over weigh and output drops to 13.5 fpe... over-pumping to 10 pumps well that gets them to 657 fps/15.4 fpe...
Crosman engineers have stated the 362 uses a 13xx valve...volume mods can enlarge the modded stock valve to about 30% more volume...some mild flow mods will help also... with a .13 ci valve ten pump will be about 100 psi less than the stock valve at 8 pumps... 11 pumps will be about 100 psi over... 12 pumps probably about 225 psi...
So yep 18 fpe on 12 pumps looks to be very possable even at 16g in .177... .22 will be bout /20+ fpe if all is done well... and that is with a pump cup not flat top piston and valve... Strain on the rifle will be very near the same as stock at 11 pumps.. ;)
Not so great for your supposition, is it? That Kirby debunked it several pages ago with reply #50. And then there are the vids you clearly haven't watched before making your claims.
I won't ask you why you posted before doing your due diligence.
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All a Guess
There are so many variables.
Your rifle may not be the same as the one you are referencing.
Different condition of pump seal or hammer spring, etc.
All is just a guess on your part.
Uh huh...Sure wish you'd read through the thread before posting something like that, Robert.
well I do deal in theoretical... educated by experience having fun building pumpers and a bit of math...and Bobs post here fill in the gaps very well...
just with a stock .1 ci valve My 362-17 long(Maximus barrel) hits peak power (8 pumps) with 13.4g Monster at 14.3 fpe at just under 700 fps... The Seneca 16.g are just a bit over weigh and output drops to 13.5 fpe... over-pumping to 10 pumps well that gets them to 657 fps/15.4 fpe...
Crosman engineers have stated the 362 uses a 13xx valve...volume mods can enlarge the modded stock valve to about 30% more volume...some mild flow mods will help also... with a .13 ci valve ten pump will be about 100 psi less than the stock valve at 8 pumps... 11 pumps will be about 100 psi over... 12 pumps probably about 225 psi...
So yep 18 fpe on 12 pumps looks to be very possable even at 16g in .177... .22 will be bout /20+ fpe if all is done well... and that is with a pump cup not flat top piston and valve... Strain on the rifle will be very near the same as stock at 11 pumps.. ;)
Not so great for your supposition, is it? That Kirby debunked it several pages ago with reply #50. And then there are the vids you clearly haven't watched before making your claims.
I won't ask you why you posted before doing your due diligence.
Did you upgrade the valve? I thought you only swapped barrels. Please get a chronograph, some day I do want to modify my c362, but so far nobody wants to back up their claims with chorno data and I can't buy something based on anecdotes.
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well I do deal in theoretical... educated by experience having fun building pumpers and a bit of math...and Bobs post here fill in the gaps very well...
just with a stock .1 ci valve My 362-17 long(Maximus barrel) hits peak power (8 pumps) with 13.4g Monster at 14.3 fpe at just under 700 fps... The Seneca 16.g are just a bit over weigh and output drops to 13.5 fpe... over-pumping to 10 pumps well that gets them to 657 fps/15.4 fpe...
Crosman engineers have stated the 362 uses a 13xx valve...volume mods can enlarge the modded stock valve to about 30% more volume...some mild flow mods will help also... with a .13 ci valve ten pump will be about 100 psi less than the stock valve at 8 pumps... 11 pumps will be about 100 psi over... 12 pumps probably about 225 psi...
So yep 18 fpe on 12 pumps looks to be very possable even at 16g in .177... .22 will be bout /20+ fpe if all is done well... and that is with a pump cup not flat top piston and valve... Strain on the rifle will be very near the same as stock at 11 pumps.. ;)
Anyone who has any doubts as to the efficacy of either the .177 or the .22 Disco SE 24" barrels is free to peruse the fine work done by Kirby who posted reply #50. And/or ask him or Bill for help in making your respective 362's more competitive with those of everyone else who is thinking outside of the box.
My .177 Disco SE 24" barrel is supposed to be here this afternoon. I'll be cleaning it with goo gone, and then swapping barrels again.
Thanks to Bill, I know that I can get at least 684 fps/11 fpe at 8 pumps with the 10.5 Cpum and 721 fps/12.21 fpe with the H&N 10.65.
Thanks to Chairgun, I know the drop of the 10.65 at 70 yards is 11.18 inches.
After some practice to check the trajectory at 70 yards; I'm now set up to complete my pigeon project. The only problem I can see so far is that my freezer is probably not large enough to hold all of the pigeons I'll soon be bagging.
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You guys are not going to believe this. I didn't get my .177 Disco SE barrel today. It's still on back order. That's what the invoice says. I did get the 2nd 1/2-20 adapter for the maximus barrel I'd ordered though. I am livid.
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Welp, like my Dad taught me ... when life hands you lemons, make lemonade.
Thank goodness for Chairgun, which tells me...
For a C362 sighted in at 25 yards using 14.3 Cphp/Cpum; at 70 yards the pellet will have 476 fps/7.27 fpe and a drop of 13.57 inches. At 75 yards the pellet has a drop of 16.74 and thereafter drops like a stone. Good thing my pigeon project is at (approximately) 70 yards.
I made a mistake yesterday using 3 pumps sighting in at 10m. I should have used 2 pumps. Doing that will give me a full 40 yards, (possibly further due to the slightly higher fps), before having to use hold over.
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And you eat pigeons ?
I have never had the desire, maybe they taste like chicken or rattlesnake.
I did manage to catch, kill and eat a rattlesnake in Navy SERE School.
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And you eat pigeons ?
I have never had the desire, maybe they taste like chicken or rattlesnake.
I did manage to catch, kill and eat a rattlesnake in Navy SERE School.
I've heard snake is actually pretty good, but Pidgeon, or doves, are actually a delicacy and most people ate them prior to the industrial era. Most families kept flocks of doves for eating.
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You might be surprised to find out what's in a Big Mac.
But I get it, not sure if I could pluck and eat a pigeon.
We butchered 150 chickens when I was a kid. For a long time I wouldn't eat chicken.
I still don't like greasy roasted chicken.
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You might be surprised to find out what's in a Big Mac.
But I get it, not sure if I could pluck and eat a pigeon.
We butchered 150 chickens when I was a kid. For a long time I wouldn't eat chicken.
I still don't like greasy roasted chicken.
If the bird flu ever ends on the East Coast I'd love to have my own flock of doves or pigeons. I would probably just skin them rather than pluck all those tiny feathers. I don't process enough chickens per year to pluck them, so I usually skin those too, but I preserve the good skins.
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And you eat pigeons ?
I have never had the desire, maybe they taste like chicken or rattlesnake.
I did manage to catch, kill and eat a rattlesnake in Navy SERE School.
Rattler is pretty good. Any snake is when you're hungry.
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You might be surprised to find out what's in a Big Mac.
But I get it, not sure if I could pluck and eat a pigeon.
We butchered 150 chickens when I was a kid. For a long time I wouldn't eat chicken.
I still don't like greasy roasted chicken.
I posted a couple of links; but, I've been eating pigeons since I was a kid. Often raw too.
How's that you might ask?
When my Dad remarried after divorcing my mom; for whatever strange reason he chose a Polynesian woman with 5 kids. Terms of the divorce forced me into the arms of this strange (and very foreign culture to me at the time) during each summer until I was 13.
Ever eat 'Hawaiian meatballs'? Those took some getting used to and I never did. I'd gladly use them for targets today.
Came to find out I was related to half the Samoan population in Oceanside California (ever watch 'Animal Kingdom"? Yeah, THAT 'Oceanside')...all of whom had been assigned to protect me. Samoans are a very loyal people.
Their kids roam the streets and ocean looking for food 24/7/365. The families scoured the town every day for the cheapest bargains and would feed their families a TON of food. I'm not even joking. Each house would be like a fried chicken stand. That's how much food they'd pump out.
And, it would never be enough....Ever.
So, yeah, I'd catch fish and learned how to filet even the smallest ones. While I'd be doing that someone else would pull out the chopsticks...(another fun skill I learned at an early age), another 'cousin' would be pulling out the condiments and we'd all pig out.
On raw fish.
I was maybe 9.
They really liked me because I was accurate with a wrist rocket slingshot. I brought down a lot of pigeons. Several a day. Since I killed them I didn't have to pluck them.
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Jacob
Send me a PM with your mailing address.
I will send you a cheapo Chinese chrono - It works for meters per second.
Multiple by 3.2808 to get feet per second
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Jacob
Send me a PM with your mailing address.
I will send you a cheapo Chinese chrono - It works for meters per second.
Multiple by 3.2808 to get feet per second
Thank you, Robert.
I know how they work.
I'll let you know tomorrow morning if my shots have more than 13.18 inches of drop at 70 yards at 8 pumps.
If they do; I'll grant you that I might have need of a chrony to help 'diagnose' the 'problem'.
Which a ninth pump would likely solve........
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Are you guys noticing a difference in accuracy between older Crosman 14.3 CPHP's and the recent tins of $6.24 CPHP Amazon and Wally World have been pushing?
I did notice the logo on the new tins is different. The pellet shown is much larger on recent tins. I figured the color gray was cheaper than white for the tins.
I'd been using an old can of cphp and getting good accuracy with them. I opened a tin of the new cphp's and the accuracy is still good; but, several of my shots are flyers and some of them will be a foot off target. Talk about disconcerting.
I suspected a burr might be in the transfer port of the new 24" Disco SE barrel I've been shooting. I'd recalled some other folks here talking about that.
Clearly I need to test some different brands of pellets rather than sticking with the once 'Old Reliable'.
See if I have some flyers with those.
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Ah, progress.
My .22 Disco 24" barrel is a tack driver with Cpum. There's a catch though.
It's a tack driver with the can off.
It's the maximus adapter that's throwing things off. I didn't have it secured well enough to the barrel. This adapter does not come with a screw to tighten it to the barrel. Adapter was moving which made the can move out of step with the rifling in the barrel.
If my .177 Disco 24" barrel is as accurate as this barrel is; I may never take it off. I'll definitely have to get another 362 for my .22 barrel.
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Ah, progress.
My .22 Disco 24" barrel is a tack driver with Cpum. There's a catch though.
It's a tack driver with the can off.
It's the maximus adapter that's throwing things off. I didn't have it secured well enough to the barrel. This adapter does not come with a screw to tighten it to the barrel. Adapter was moving which made the can move out of step with the rifling in the barrel.
If my .177 Disco 24" barrel is as accurate as this barrel is; I may never take it off. I'll definitely have to get another 362 for my .22 barrel.
You can drill and tap it 6-32 or 8-32---- 2 would even be better.
That adapter is kinda fat even if it's plastic.
Or condom/sleeve the barrel with plastic, then force-fit the adapter, afterwhich you remove the excess.
You may have to experiment with different thickness.
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Ah, progress.
My .22 Disco 24" barrel is a tack driver with Cpum. There's a catch though.
It's a tack driver with the can off.
It's the maximus adapter that's throwing things off. I didn't have it secured well enough to the barrel. This adapter does not come with a screw to tighten it to the barrel. Adapter was moving which made the can move out of step with the rifling in the barrel.
If my .177 Disco 24" barrel is as accurate as this barrel is; I may never take it off. I'll definitely have to get another 362 for my .22 barrel.
You can drill and tap it 6-32 or 8-32---- 2 would even be better.
That adapter is kinda fat even if it's plastic.
Or condom/sleeve the barrel with plastic, then force-fit the adapter, afterwhich you remove the excess.
You may have to experiment with different thickness.
I think the adapter is metal, Rick. I don't know if it is steel; but its not plastic.
I used a tiny dab of blue loctite to secure the adapter to the barrel.
It's tight and shooting at POA
While I was at it I also added a little dab to the end of the extended handle for the bolt.
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Ah, progress.
My .22 Disco 24" barrel is a tack driver with Cpum. There's a catch though.
It's a tack driver with the can off.
It's the maximus adapter that's throwing things off. I didn't have it secured well enough to the barrel. This adapter does not come with a screw to tighten it to the barrel. Adapter was moving which made the can move out of step with the rifling in the barrel.
If my .177 Disco 24" barrel is as accurate as this barrel is; I may never take it off. I'll definitely have to get another 362 for my .22 barrel.
You can drill and tap it 6-32 or 8-32---- 2 would even be better.
That adapter is kinda fat even if it's plastic.
Or condom/sleeve the barrel with plastic, then force-fit the adapter, afterwhich you remove the excess.
You may have to experiment with different thickness.
I think the adapter is metal, Rick. I don't know if it is steel; but its not plastic.
I used a tiny dab of blue loctite to secure the adapter to the barrel.
It's tight and shooting at POA
While I was at it I also added a little dab to the end of the extended handle for the bolt.
Ah, I thought it was plastic, having read somewhere it was.
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Ah, I thought it was plastic, having read somewhere it was.
For $8.65 they're pretty good adapters. They do the job they're designed to do.
But yeah, your mod to tighten the adapter sounded good. .
Pity I'd already secured it.
I may do that with my next one.
I'm about 99.99% sure I'll have to get another 362.
Can't let a perfectly good barrel be laying around getting dusty when it could be put to good use. ;)
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Yes, the condom method works good and somehow aligns the adapter naturally.
When using adapters, it's what I do; not relying solely on the set screw.
I remove the membrane, a drawback when using this recipe, that covers the bore with a heated needle.
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Yes, the condom method works good and somehow aligns the adapter naturally.
When using adapters, it's what I do; not relying solely on the set screw.
I remove the membrane, a drawback when using this recipe, that covers the bore with a heated needle.
This is my Saturday, Rick...
I just killed a rat snake next door with my Crosman 1077. It was about 3.5 feet long.
If it had been up to me I'd have left it alone; BUT, my next door neighbor was having HYSTERICS since it was in her front yard.
She was SCREAMING and raving on the phone w/ the cops. She called 911 about a rat snake. LOL
So rather than have a SWAT team show up here ... or maybe the entire day watch...I saved them a trip.
This wasn't the first rat snake spotted around here. Other neighbors have reported them too on their front porches, etc.
What's interesting is this snake was trying to crawl up the outside of the drain of her apt. It's possible we have more rat snakes in the rain gutters & drains of our apt's.
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Poor snake ;D
Is your neighbor hot?
Lol!
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Poor snake ;D
Is your neighbor hot?
Lol!
Unfortunately, no. She has a bit of a weight problem.
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Too bad, lol ;D
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Too bad, lol ;D
Be great to have a hot next door neighbor, wouldn't it?
I just finished talking with another neighbor after church. I told her the rat snake story from yesterday. This particular neighbor is a gossip. By tomorrow half the complex will have heard the story.
Probably see a yard crew here ... maybe, Tuesday. I'm going to pass the word to our maintenance person tomorrow and let her know the grass is tall enough for large snakes to migrate freely through it.
Ever see "The Ghost and the Darkness" with Val Kilmer and Michael Douglas?
Same principle.
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Things are back to normal. My 362 is sighted in at 25 yards at 5 pumps with Cpums. Accuracy is about the same or a little better than with the 21" barrel.
I'm really, really, hoping Crosman ships my .177 24" Disco barrel this week.
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U know they are called a rat snake for a reason….one of these days u folks gonna run out of chit to kill…lol
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U know they are called a rat snake for a reason….one of these days u folks gonna run out of chit to kill…lol
Oh, I know. Which is why I said I'd have left it alone had it been up to me. Actually, if I wiped out all the rat snakes in the neighborhood, that would have the eventual effect of a rise in the rat population and there would be plenty more to shoot. Next year.
I should have left it alone. Shrugged. Went back in my house. Closed my window to the hysterical screaming (some of which would have been directed at me for leaving, no doubt).
Made some popcorn, cracked open a beer and watched the day watch of our local PD come out to take care of a rat snake.
Too bad I don't have a camcorder. I could have made a vid of the whole circus and uploaded it to youtube.
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One ecological difference I'm seeing already from the removal of the rat snake is the emergence of tree frogs. They've been crooning nightly since the day I removed said snake and just now even in the daytime.
Would the frogs be singing if the rat snake was alive to further reduce their population?
Maybe. Maybe not.
Tree frogs are omnivorous in nature. In the wild, they normally feed on a range of insects such as mosquitoes, crickets, locusts, slugs, ants, snails, and even small rodents! They are very adept at hunting, however, when kept as pets they do not need to do so. A pet tree frog can be fed crickets for the bulk of its diet.
https://kidadl.com/fun-facts/what-do-tree-frogs-eat-list-of-foods-and-feeding-guide
Less mosquitoes? Less slugs / snails? Less ants? Even rodents?
I'd say I traded up, wouldn't you guys?
Some might think the frogs are noisy. And, they are. Or, can be. It's an easy sound to get used to. It's easy to drift off to sleep listening to them.
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Not a snakeoligist but I don't think snakes 'hear' the frogs.
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Not a snakeoligist but I don't think snakes 'hear' the frogs.
I'm an animal science major, but still not a snakeologist, and I agree. To my knowledge snakes don't have functional ears at all and rely on vibrations carried by the ground, smell, and sight. I would also imagine the nocturnal frogs are safe from the diurnal snake.
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Yep, frogs can crock all they want, as long as they don't hop, they are good to go. ;)
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Yep, frogs can crock all they want, as long as they don't hop, they are good to go. ;)
Boss looks like a frog gourmand ;D
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Yep, frogs can crock all they want, as long as they don't hop, they are good to go. ;)
Boss looks like a frog gourmand ;D
You have no idea... :o
Frogs, snakes, bore bees, any rodent.... she has no limits.
Rambo is the complete opposite... unless it's a cat he don't even bat an eye at it.
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Yep, frogs can crock all they want, as long as they don't hop, they are good to go. ;)
Boss looks like a frog gourmand ;D
You have no idea... :o
Frogs, snakes, bore bees, any rodent.... she has no limits.
Rambo is the complete opposite... unless it's a cat he don't even bat an eye at it.
WTH?!
;D
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This subject : Alchemy SUPER UPGRADED Crosman 362 RIFLE
Has nothing to do with the topic of most posts in this thread.
Maybe it should be moved to the "Back Room".
I do not really care one way or the other - just noticed.
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LOL.... how many threads have you ever found on this forum to stay on topic?
Eventually they work their way back around.
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So I think Bill is saying this thread has not croaked yet..?
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Nope, a little foaming from the mouth never killed anyone.... :o
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Anywho...
We live in a very soggy back woods area of lower Alabama. The critters at night are dang near deafening. Especially after a rain. It's the perfect scenario to put a flash light on a SUPER UPGRADED Crosman 362 RIFLE and go frog hunting.
See what I did there? ;)
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Scottish Terriers were originally bred to hunt and fight Eurasian badgers. Therefore, the Scottie is prone to dig as well as chase small mammals, such as squirrels, rats, and FROGS. Keeping cats, rabbits, ferrets, and other small Domesticated animals in the home with a Scottish terrier is not advisable due to the fact that this dog breed was specifically bred to hunt small mammals and FROGS, as mentioned above. The owner needs to carry an Alchemy SUPER UPGRADED Crosman 362 RIFLE to protect the Scottie from wild animals ( oh and I forgot Rat Snakes ).
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My Great Dane is scared to death of snakes, so I need aa air rifle of which a super upgraded 362 would fill the bill nicely but, a lot cheaper version would do fine too. Frogs are rare around here but we do get toads showing up from time to time.
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As a matter of fact, I have an elevated sniper hide specifically designed to eradicate the onslaught of frogs and other amphibious type invaders with the SUPER UPGRADED Crosman 362 RIFLE and the like.
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Not a snakeoligist but I don't think snakes 'hear' the frogs.
Herpetologist is the word you're looking for. As for their hearing, its possible they can hear the frogs better than you can.
Snakes lack external ears (pinna), ear canals (external auditory meatus) or external ear drums (tympanic membrane) as is seen in most other reptiles, but they have well-developed internal ears and can hear sounds from 40 to 2,000 hertz; the human voice averages 500 to 1,000 hertz, and thus, is within the range of hearing of a snake.
https://reptilesmagazine.com/the-vet-report-contrary-to-popular-belief-snakes-can-hear/#:~:text=Snakes%20lack%20external%20ears%20(pinna),%20ear%20canals%20(external,within%20the%20range%20of%20hearing%20of%20a%20snake.
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This subject : Alchemy SUPER UPGRADED Crosman 362 RIFLE
Has nothing to do with the topic of most posts in this thread.
Maybe it should be moved to the "Back Room".
I do not really care one way or the other - just noticed.
This thread is a work in progress. Seems fairly popular too from the number of views it has as well as the number of replies in it. Including several replies of your own.At present, I am waiting on my .177 Disco SE barrel. As are quite a few other people.
If I like how my 362 does with that barrel; and I likely will, then my next mod will be the flow through valve sold by Alchemy which is good for boosting the fps by 60 fps.
This is not the only thread concerning steroided 362's at this Gate. There are at least 2 others. Should those threads go to the Back Room too?
Because threads like these ... "Has nothing to do with the topic of most posts in this thread" ?
Btw? Don't you mean "Has nothing to do with the topic of most threads in this Gate"?
I just noticed.
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Anywho...
We live in a very soggy back woods area of lower Alabama. The critters at night are dang near deafening. Especially after a rain. It's the perfect scenario to put a flash light on a SUPER UPGRADED Crosman 362 RIFLE and go frog hunting.
See what I did there? ;)
I did. You're returning the thread to the OP topic of a SUPER UPGRADED Crosman 362 RIFLE!
Outstanding.
It's been raining here pretty good. Weather.com hyped it as a killer storm and since it isn't over, it could just be...We've had just over an inch in the past hour and a half. Frogs aren't singing. I don't expect them to for awhile yet.
I like your blind too. I wish I had one like it and I may just petition my landlord for something like it. I'll tell them its for gardening.
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So I think Bill is saying this thread has not croaked yet..?
Nope. Although, if you hadn't posted with your outstanding results of what a 362 with the .177 24" barrel can do, the thread may well have croaked.
I've gotta get me some of those Jsb .177 13.43 gr pellets...10 tins should do for a start. ;)
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I'm interested to see how the .177 mod goes, I wonder why Crosman doesn't make one? Just Change the bolt and the barrel it would probably come close to doubling the sales, I'd buy one.
Anyway I'm hoping it will exceed 800fps. (with lead pellets of course) 8)
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I have a super upgraded crosman 362 rifle, but it has not been put together yet. 8)
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I'm interested to see how the .177 mod goes, I wonder why Crosman doesn't make one? Just Change the bolt and the barrel it would probably come close to doubling the sales, I'd buy one.
Anyway I'm hoping it will exceed 800fps. (with lead pellets of course) 8)
I agree. Crosman missed a sure bet by not doing that.
I believe.177 362's already exceed 800 fps with lighter pellets.
My Winchester 1977XS has similar fps.
Remember those youtube vids from 15 or so years ago? There was a guy using a Crosman Quest promoting 7.9 cphp and 7.4 superpoints. His was good for 850 fps with those pellets.
Point is, yeah, these steroided .177 362's are in spring piston power territory.
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I have a super upgraded crosman 362 rifle, but it has not been put together yet. 8)
I might have to borrow one of those pics to make a new avatar. :D
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I have a super upgraded crosman 362 rifle, but it has not been put together yet. 8)
lol
(http://)
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Super upgraded tortoise. ;D
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Alchemy has another power parts package for the 362.
NEW Custom High Performance
THE ULTIMATE CROSMAN 362 PERFORMANCE COMBO includes one RP VALVE, one POWER PORT, and one HARDENED SS HAMMER PIN
https://www.ebay.com/itm/304443922511 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/304443922511)
(EXACTLY AND COMPLETELY WHAT IS NEEDED)
Our proven and trusted PUMP RP valve for the 13xx pump pistols has been a huge success these past years. Feedback has always been overwhelmingly very positive.
The new Crosman 362 pump rifle has some special needs for EXTRA POWER that this combo completely takes into account.
FIRST: The valve has been angle ported on the exhaust transfer end of the valve... and has an increase in valve body displacement as well. It is exactly like our tried and true pump RP valve in every important way.
What is this designed to do? It flows better from the valve. It also allows you to pump more of BOTH volume and pressure into the valve. Both of these incrementally improve your fps.
SECOND: To get all that higher volume and pressure from the valve to the barrel, you simply MUST increase the inside diameter of the transfer port, so our tried and true +25% power transfer port is a necessary part of this ultimate 362 performance combo.
The hammer spring that Crosman provides in the stock 362 is longer and stronger and has a tip extension on it already, so it DOES NOT NEED TO BE REPLACED! IT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS NEEDED!
That stock hammer spring does such a great job of providing lots of strike force and additional spring energy that it actually causes a couple of problems that we will both explain and correct with this complete combo.
THIRD: The stock steel hammer pin already wobbles a bit in a stock hammer. It does now and always has. But this 362 stock power spring really gives it *(&^! So much so that you can expect the wobble to worsen and with enough use you can expect it to fail... AS IN BREAK! This has already happened out in the world to a shooting club that all had these 362's and love shooting them... until they couldn't because of the weak stock hammer pins. Nothing at all wrong with the stock hammer. By all means, you should keep it.
But the stock hammer pin has got to go. THE FIX has always been with us: Our hardened stainless hammer pin for 13xx size hammers. This kit includes one of those as well! NO WOBBLE. HARD AS HECK. WILL NOT BREAK! STILL ATTRACT TO A MAGNET YOU MAY HAVE IN ONE OF OUR CUSTOM EXTENDED PROBES. SOLVED!!!
This Custom Combo kit is freshly new (not old stock) and has never been used or installed.
Others advertise a special 362 valve only as an upgrade and that 10 pumps are ideal for it (implying that the 362 will dump 10 pumps with one shot and none remaining in the valve).
THE DIFFERENCE: IF YOU FOLLOW OUR LEAD / FORMULA / RECIPE, THEN YOU WILL HAVE TWELVE (12) PUMPS DUMPING ABILITY!
This part is completely ready for you to install to your air gun and have some fun !
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Some interesting points are made with this package addressing concerns that have been mentioned by other GTAer's, such as the hammer pin, for example..
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Btw? Don't you mean "Has nothing to do with the topic of most threads in this Gate"?
I just noticed.
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( but by posting here I am bringing this thread back to the top, which is one of your stated ways to keep your stuff in the forefront )
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I have yummy cookies! 8)
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Btw? Don't you mean "Has nothing to do with the topic of most threads in this Gate"?
I just noticed.
NO
( but by posting here I am bringing this thread back to the top, which is one of your stated ways to keep your stuff in the forefront )
Thank you, Robert. ;)
I'm trying to decipher this alleged 'stated ways to keep your stuff in the forefront' you're claiming that I have from my previous statement:
Seems fairly popular too from the number of views it has as well as the number of replies in it. Including several replies of your own.
In the meantime, what do you think of:
THE ULTIMATE CROSMAN 362 PERFORMANCE COMBO includes one RP VALVE, one POWER PORT, and one HARDENED SS HAMMER PIN
https://www.ebay.com/itm/304443922511 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/304443922511)
(EXACTLY AND COMPLETELY WHAT IS NEEDED)
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Do you think its exactly and completely what is needed for the 362? Or, are there changes you'd make for a performance combo?
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See?
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See?
Those brown thingies embedded in the cookies must be edible pellets launched from a Supergrade 362 ;D
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Those brown thingies embedded in the cookies must be edible pellets launched from a Supergrade 362 ;D
I had the thought he was having TP problems again, getting low fps. ;)
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Those brown thingies embedded in the cookies must be edible pellets launched from a Supergrade 362 ;D
I had the thought he was having TP problems again, getting low fps. ;)
Ha!
Anyway, I have yet to see a 362 with a LW barrel.
Should be very accurate.
Mine is on a 1377, but it's only 14.5 inches.
Thinking of having my MROD LW barrel modified to fit the 13xx/22xx format.
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Jacob,
I think you quote and pull other people's stuff to make your claims credible when you do not have your own real data.
Not all you read on the internet is true.
Oh and BTW if you live inside the city limits of Ft Worth - shooting the Crosman 1022 to kill the Rat Snake was breaking the law.
§ 23-4 DISCHARGING BB GUNS, AIR GUNS—PROHIBITED.
No person shall discharge any kind or species of air gun, air pistol or BB gun within the city; provided, however, “air gun” and “air pistol” shall not include a gun or pistol utilizing a compressed gas or air propellant and operated as part of an amusement arcade or a paintball amusement facility or event.
(1964 Code, § 27-8) (Ord. 13594, § 1, passed 9-29-1998)
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That gun I put together with the leftover 362 barrel is shooting quarter size holes @ 25 yards now….using crosman 14.3..I had forgotten how much I enjoyed the sight mark reflex…I think I actually shoot better with it….lego,362 and the 367….is my version of supergrades….u folks have a good one..
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"THEN YOU WILL HAVE TWELVE (12) PUMPS DUMPING ABILITY!" (RP valve)
Hmmm, maybe this has something to do with my 1300kt dumping 28 pumps with a stock hammer spring.
All I know about the RP valves is they are ported and have 3 threads removed.
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Btw? Don't you mean "Has nothing to do with the topic of most threads in this Gate"?
I just noticed.
NO
( but by posting here I am bringing this thread back to the top, which is one of your stated ways to keep your stuff in the forefront )
Thank you, Robert. ;)
I'm trying to decipher this alleged 'stated ways to keep your stuff in the forefront' you're claiming that I have from my previous statement:
Seems fairly popular too from the number of views it has as well as the number of replies in it. Including several replies of your own.
In the meantime, what do you think of:
THE ULTIMATE CROSMAN 362 PERFORMANCE COMBO includes one RP VALVE, one POWER PORT, and one HARDENED SS HAMMER PIN
https://www.ebay.com/itm/304443922511 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/304443922511)
(EXACTLY AND COMPLETELY WHAT IS NEEDED)
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Do you think its exactly and completely what is needed for the 362? Or, are there changes you'd make for a performance combo?
Jacob,
I think you quote and pull other people's stuff to make your claims credible when you do not have your own real data.
Not all you read on the internet is true.
Oh and BTW if you live inside the city limits of Ft Worth - shooting the Crosman 1022 to kill the Rat Snake was breaking the law.
§ 23-4 DISCHARGING BB GUNS, AIR GUNS—PROHIBITED.
No person shall discharge any kind or species of air gun, air pistol or BB gun within the city; provided, however, “air gun” and “air pistol” shall not include a gun or pistol utilizing a compressed gas or air propellant and operated as part of an amusement arcade or a paintball amusement facility or event.
(1964 Code, § 27-8) (Ord. 13594, § 1, passed 9-29-1998)
Please show us what I have gleaned from the internet that you believe to be incorrect?
Also, please post links to support any claim you make.
Since you didn't post a link to this alleged law you claim I violated...I believe its pertinent to point out you're criticizing me for what is a class C misdemeanor in most jurisdictions?
I believe you said you were the Navy? When I was in the military, there was an acronym known as 'CS'. 8)
Sound familiar?
As you're treating class c misdemeanors as though they are felonies, I'll tell you what a cop once told me. He said if a cop see's you committing a class c misdemeanor then its illegal. If a cop DOES NOT see you committing a class c misdemeanor then its not illegal.
Is this the part where you come back and tell me you're a cop? And, that if you saw me shooting a rat snake I'd be going to jail?
Feel free to, Robert. Since after all, ... Not all I read on the internet is true. ;)
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That gun I put together with the leftover 362 barrel is shooting quarter size holes @ 25 yards now….using crosman 14.3..I had forgotten how much I enjoyed the sight mark reflex…I think I actually shoot better with it….lego,362 and the 367….is my version of supergrades….u folks have a good one..
Nothing wrong with quarter sized groups at 25 yards, Phil.
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"THEN YOU WILL HAVE TWELVE (12) PUMPS DUMPING ABILITY!" (RP valve)
Hmmm, maybe this has something to do with my 1300kt dumping 28 pumps with a stock hammer spring.
All I know about the RP valves is they are ported and have 3 threads removed.
I have alchemy's plug and play's in both of my legos.
I'm happy with them.
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I believe you said you were the Navy? When I was in the military, there was an acronym known as 'CS'.
Sound familiar?
Read your own posts...
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Those brown thingies embedded in the cookies must be edible pellets launched from a Supergrade 362 ;D
I had the thought he was having TP problems again, getting low fps. ;)
Ha!
Anyway, I have yet to see a 362 with a LW barrel.
Should be very accurate.
I haven't seen a 362 with a LW barrel either. Yet.
I'm sure that will change in the future though.
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I believe you said you were the Navy? When I was in the military, there was an acronym known as 'CS'.
Sound familiar?
Read your own posts...
Jacob - I guess you can forget about me sending you the free Chronograph I offered to send you.
Also the link to Ft Worth code
https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/ftworth/latest/ftworth_tx/0-0-0-25432
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Seems this thread is going to go the way of many great threads. If you can't keep it civil it too will die.
pv
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I may get one of those RP valves, if it really is the best on the market, when I tear down my C362. I can't imagine taking it apart to just put factory parts back in it, and I already have the Alchemy TP.
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