Is it worth hot rodding a Bulldog?

[Speakerguy]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, I've heard people mention it but dont see any posts to lead me in the right direction.. I'm patiently waiting for a Slayer but figured I'd try to get a little extra out of my Bulldog.. Ant suggestions guys? Thanks Bob

[Speakerguy]

Actually, I just watch a YouTube vid from Mr. Hollow point and he used Travis from Wicked Air Rifles.. That's a start!

[YEMX]

I wonder if anyone has any plans for, or have done a reverse-engineer on the bulldog, to make it a rifle? 

[tkerrigan]

The Bulldog has a 14" twist barrel, if you make the bullet spin faster it will shoot worse.  The first thing I would do would be to change out the barrel for a 20-22" twist. Regards, Tom

[Speakerguy]

I wonder if anyone has any plans for, or have done a reverse-engineer on the bulldog, to make it a rifle?

That's a good idea.. the next year should be very interesting to see what comes out. I'd buy a rifle version for sure.

[Speakerguy]

The Bulldog has a 14" twist barrel, if you make the bullet move faster it will shoot worse.  The first thing I would do would be to change out the barrel for a 20-22" twist. Regards, Tom

Is this a barrel that can purchased off the shelf or do you need to have it custom made?

[YEMX]

The Bulldog has a 14" twist barrel, if you make the bullet move faster it will shoot worse.  The first thing I would do would be to change out the barrel for a 20-22" twist. Regards, Tom

Is this a barrel that can purchased off the shelf or do you need to have it custom made?

I haven't looked into his .357 barrels, but TJ's may have a barrel that will work well for you. 

If it wasn't so expensive, I'd get a bulldog to mess around with... Hmmmm....  It wouldn't work, but could you imagine a bulldog with a better barrel, in an Armada's stock?  I don't mean the whole Armada stock, just the part that goes around the trigger... with a PRS stock.  Nice, light, and .357... THAT would be cool.

[Samoset]

I'm still new to all of this. But I'm really looking forward to what people end up doing with the bulldog platform. More accurate barrel/proper tune and polish might make for a nice gun

[Samoset]

The Bulldog has a 14" twist barrel, if you make the bullet move faster it will shoot worse.  The first thing I would do would be to change out the barrel for a 20-22" twist. Regards, Tom

Is this a barrel that can purchased off the shelf or do you need to have it custom made?

I haven't looked into his .357 barrels, but TJ's may have a barrel that will work well for you. 

If it wasn't so expensive, I'd get a bulldog to mess around with... Hmmmm....  It wouldn't work, but could you imagine a bulldog with a better barrel, in an Armada's stock?  I don't mean the whole Armada stock, just the part that goes around the trigger... with a PRS stock.  Nice, light, and .357... THAT would be cool.

There selling them so my guess is eventually you'll be able to get your hands on one for a cool $500 this is when the magic will start no doubt.

I honestly am excited to see what the enthusiasts do with the rifle that the developers couldn't !

[tkerrigan]

I had the top of mine off a few days ago. The barrel diameter is .625, at about 7" from the breech end it gradually swells to about .7" at about 3" from the breech end.  Hard to measure because it enters a couple of aluminum pieces that the shroud slides over and the breech.  If you want to remove the shroud and see your barrel, just remove the allen screw on top of the beech end of the shroud and engage a piece of wood into one of the notches on the top rail and gently tap with a hammer and as soon as it moves you should be able to pull it off by hand in the muzzle direction.  Regards, Tom

[rkr]

I think 200 fpe and plastic shell around it is not a good combination. Things are bound to flex here and there when pushing out those heavy bullets which has negative impact on accuracy.

[Nomadic Pirate]

The Cheap plastic stock of the BullDog is Horrific.

[WesleySnipes]

The Bulldog is solid! ....RKR does not even have one, yet he is talking like he has first hand experience.

Manny...I honestly take what he says with a grain of salt, this guys has been talking &^^& about Crosman for years. I guess you expect this gun to be in a wood stock? Or some aluminum Chassis huh...blah blah blah

You can not make everyone happy...You Monday quarterbacks who know everything and are never happy! The Bulldog was built from the ground up as a Bullpup, and the "cheap stock" was part of that design... Otherwise it would have some clamps on the airtube for the Scope/trigger just like every other Airgun bullpup. That were rifles, turned into bullpups...

SMH

[rkr]

I do have another Crosman's plastic shelled gun (Nighstalker) and based on photos I've seen the Bulldog uses similar support to the barrel. I do have a 200+ fpe bullpup and although it seems solidly built it still flexes enough to make the grouping around 4-6" at 100M.  If we put a 200fpe action in to a plastic shell that supports it and provides the attachment point for the scope we can not expect good accuracy out of it. I'm now talking MOA accuracy, not 4-6" groups at 100M.

[WesleySnipes]

The Bulldog is really a Marauder.... And that action is proven, The Bulldogs Barrel is securely attached to the Breech...and does have a "Barrel Support" inside the shroud, but that just aligns everything...

It is securely attached to the Breech, and would be considered free floated if not for the shroud. Once the shroud is installed...it becomes part of the Barrel,Breech and Stock.. Fairly Solid, That is how I know this thing was built on a Computer..and tested.

This is 2015....why are people so ignorant about synthetic materials?

Oldpro said : "the bulldog is like a plastic toy compared to his flex" ....I had to laugh at him! ....I told him, that is what they said about the M16/AR15 when it came out in the 60's....

Ignorance is bliss

[rkr]

The Bulldog is really a Marauder.... And that action is proven, The Bulldogs Barrel is securely attached to the Breech...and does have a "Barrel Support" inside the shroud, but that just aligns everything...

It is securely attached to the Breech, and would be considered free floated if not for the shroud. Once the shroud is installed...it becomes part of the Barrel,Breech and Stock.. Fairly Solid, That is how I know this thing was built on a Computer..and tested.

This is 2015....why are people so ignorant about synthetic materials?

Oldpro said : "the bulldog is like a plastic toy compared to his flex" ....I had to laugh at him! ....I told him, that is what they said about the M16/AR15 when it came out in the 60's....

Ignorance is bliss

All those same things could be said about Evanix RS platform, but when you go past 150 fpe in that gun rigity problems start to appear. When you get to 250 fpe they get rather bad when you dump closer to 20 bar / shot from the air tube. Even if the action itself were free of flexing issues you still have the plastic body in the Buldog connecting the action to the scope and that's very likely to flex some at 200 fpe. Buldog has potential with a magazine that can hold long bullets and GM barrel but making it a top notch bullpup (like Slayer) would IMO require a major rebuild. Fine for hunting but then again so is Sam Yang.

[YEMX]

Can anyone post pics of the bulldog disassembled?  I'd like to see that before I consider maybe getting one to reverse engineer into a rifle.  Is there a plastic shell around the breech too?  What's the O.D. of the air reservoir?

Oldpro said : "the bulldog is like a plastic toy compared to his flex" ....I had to laugh at him! ....I told him, that is what they said about the M16/AR15 when it came out in the 60's....

Ignorance is bliss

That's because the bulldog is a plastic toy compared to his Flex.  His Flex is very nearly all metal, where the bulldog is mostly plastic...  so OldPro's statement is true. What's funny about that?  Also, the original plastic on the M16's were made by Mattel, a toy manufacturer... which is why a lot of troops didn't like the idea of the rifle, in addition to other things, like the lighter round in a jungle environment, or the fact that a lighter round doesnt have as much punch as a .308.   

[rkr]

Can anyone post pics of the bulldog disassembled?  I'd like to see that before I consider maybe getting one to reverse engineer into a rifle.  Is there a plastic shell around the breech too?  What's the O.D. of the air reservoir?

Oldpro said : "the bulldog is like a plastic toy compared to his flex" ....I had to laugh at him! ....I told him, that is what they said about the M16/AR15 when it came out in the 60's....

Ignorance is bliss

That's because the bulldog is a plastic toy compared to his Flex.  His Flex is very nearly all metal, where the bulldog is mostly plastic...  so OldPro's statement is true. What's funny about that?  Also, the original plastic on the M16's were made by Mattel, a toy manufacturer... which is why a lot of troops didn't like the idea of the rifle, in addition to other things, like the lighter round in a jungle environment, or the fact that a lighter round doesnt have as much punch as a .308.   

Here's a photo thread by Oldpro http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=92933.msg870495#msg870495

[Nomadic Pirate]

The Bulldog is really a Marauder.... And that action is proven, The Bulldogs Barrel is securely attached to the Breech...and does have a "Barrel Support" inside the shroud, but that just aligns everything...

It is securely attached to the Breech, and would be considered free floated if not for the shroud. Once the shroud is installed...it becomes part of the Barrel,Breech and Stock.. Fairly Solid, That is how I know this thing was built on a Computer..and tested.

This is 2015....why are people so ignorant about synthetic materials?

Oldpro said : "the bulldog is like a plastic toy compared to his flex" ....I had to laugh at him! ....I told him, that is what they said about the M16/AR15 when it came out in the 60's....

Ignorance is bliss

So,

are you going on record saying that the Bulldog stock is NOT a cheap plastic POS ?

Yes I talked smack about the Rogue for years, and refresh my memory,....where's the Rogue now ?

At the same time I've been reccomending Crosman guns like the Nitro pistons, the Disco and even the Marauder in the right context.

My main beef with Crosman has always been the marketing bs strategy not so much the guns.


So, after years of direct confrontation on Airgun forums with Crosman representatives they still sent me a BullDog on their dime for review,...what does that say ?


Ignorance is bliss, he ? 

[YEMX]

Here's a photo thread by Oldpro http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=92933.msg870495#msg870495

Much appreciated rkr