.177 BSA Buccaneer SE is on its way, any owners or Gammo Coyote owners...

[K.O.]

I wonder if the new R-10 mk2 shroud will fit. I think my R-10  mk1 shroud will be too short. I have another hour  and a half togo before I get home and finally able to open the package ups dropped off this morning. Can't wait too see how the buc compares to the R -10. Still wont be able to shoot it until tomorrow, dang.

There's no point in using R10 shroud, it's not even backvented. I'd suggest asking Huub if his shrouds can be mounted.

Mine has to have an American Made shroud even if I have to make it... then it will be a bit me continuing the family parallel thing

[rkr]

Thank you,


 in the vid I could not tell if it was two more holes or what I just made sure of, it is held in with a C-clip... so yep  would need to have a few with different openings for differing power levels...

open for max power...

Have to do some thinking and studying to figure most efficient balance at a given power level...

It would be easier to adjust the power with transfer port and just have big enough opening in the valve housing. It seems that removing the breech is a three screw deal only.

I agree... I think they did it that way for differing export fpe restrictions? or does it help with the contraction/shock of sudden psi loss..?

It restrcicts the maximum power and flattens the power curve at higher pressure region. Not as accurate as hammer spring adjustment though.

[rabbitguy]

For anyone wanting to see how the buccaneer compares to the R-10.  So far that trigger feels OK, much better than any of my break barrel triggers.

RKR what do you mean by back vented. I bought my R-10 used and it did not have baffles inside the shroud, instead I found what I now believe is some sort of air stripper. Its 3 inches long and has several holes. The barrel has also been modified. The shroud has 4 vent holes at the rear and the barrel to shroud adapters have tiny holes drilled into them. I don't know if that is stock configuration for a mk1.

[rkr]

For anyone wanting to see how the buccaneer compares to the R-10.  So far that trigger feels OK, much better than any of my break barrel triggers.

RKR what do you mean by back vented. I bought my R-10 used and it did not have baffles inside the shroud, instead I found what I now believe is some sort of air stripper. Its 3 inches long and has several holes. The barrel has also been modified. The shroud has 4 vent holes at the rear and the barrel to shroud adapters have tiny holes drilled into them. I don't know if that is stock configuration for a mk1.

On stock R10s the functional part of the shroud is only in front of the barrel. The barrel to shroud "adapter" is a solid piece and has no ventilation holes to the part around the barrel. JB designed it with ventilation holes but BSA decided to skip on production costs basically ruining the shroud. JBs shroud design was not the best but it would have been functional. People in UK usually purchase an aftermarket shroud or add silencer to their shroud to make the gun quiet. There's also the shroudless VC model with threaded barrel end.

[rabbitguy]

Ok, thanks rkr.

my r10 is very back yard freindy, much quieter than a umarex fusion. So the shroud if working, I wouldn't dare shoot without it.
I have tried and it's loud.

[robertr]

How does the Buccaneer shoot, do you think it will shoot under 1/2 inch at 50 yards, has to at least do that for me.

[K.O.]

Thank you,


 in the vid I could not tell if it was two more holes or what I just made sure of, it is held in with a C-clip... so yep  would need to have a few with different openings for differing power levels...

open for max power...

Have to do some thinking and studying to figure most efficient balance at a given power level...

It would be easier to adjust the power with transfer port and just have big enough opening in the valve housing. It seems that removing the breech is a three screw deal only.

I agree... I think they did it that way for differing export fpe restrictions? or does it help with the contraction/shock of sudden psi loss..?

It restrcicts the maximum power and flattens the power curve at higher pressure region. Not as accurate as hammer spring adjustment though.

I understand those points  but am thinking a bit more complicated and the whole vavle & flow path & trade offs and turbulence will post more but have a dang Migrane right now...

[rabbitguy]

How does the Buccaneer shoot, do you think it will shoot under 1/2 inch at 50 yards, has to at least do that for me.

I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet so I  do not know. I will be happy with it shooting dime size groups at 25yrds. Thats what I  have all my airguns set to.I have plenty of space  to shoot beyond that but for now I see no need. I like to get in as close as possible  before i pull the trigger. All i can say is that it shoulders well, not heavy, has good balance. Will be very loud. To be honest i just like the way it looks  so even if it shoots 1 inch groups at 20 yards I will keep it, but thats just me.

[robertr]

 Thanks Rabbitguy.

[K.O.]

How does the Buccaneer shoot, do you think it will shoot under 1/2 inch at 50 yards, has to at least do that for me.

At 24 joule/~18 fpe and a .22 with heavy pellets not so well... his might need some tuning, but mostly he needed to try lighter pellets or up the power for 50m...


Here is a .22 Yote at 50 yards it is I think in U.S. tune... ~29fpe... It might improve with some ability to adjust power up and down to find the pellet/barrels "sweet spot"... so a power adjuster and tuning not to mention the barrel may need a bit of "shooting in" or lapping... at the price I do not think they take the time to hand lap the barrels and doing so will often tighten up groups...



most of the stringing is horizontal which may be in part wind...

here is a .25 Yote at distance and once again having a Power adjuster could help (and with some of the pellets more++ fpe)...

~20 min in for past talking and the start of shooting...



Now  .177 faces challenges of its own at 50 yards but with tuning I think .5" may be achievable... But even pretty durn .75" is good for  most air rifles...

At distance fpe managed right means accuracy I do think the potential is there out of the box maybe with the right pellet... with some tuning and in decent conditions...

 

[robertr]

Thanks KO, I have seen those videos. It is always harder to judge accuracy when shooting outdoors so many variables.

[rkr]

Now  .177 faces challenges of its own at 50 yards but with tuning I think .5" may be achievable... But even pretty durn .75" is good for  most air rifles...
 

All properly functioning BSA PCPs in .177 can do 0.5" ctc groups at 50 yards once you've find the pellet they like. Many can even do 0.3" ctc at that distance. There were some problematic .177 barrels few years ago but it seems that barrels made today are good.

[tkerrigan]

My .177 Buc SE showed up yesterday, got the Amazon deal, about $250 shipped.  Has a beautiful stock but FedEx put a crack and some dents in it.  Too bad, it fit me like a glove.  Emailed Amazon this morning and I will have a replacement in two days.  Not bad, huh.  Regards, Tom

[rabbitguy]

Well guys I had a little time to shoot the buc yesterday and I like it a lot. I can say it is loud so you will need a way to reduce the report. My r10 came with an extra which fit the buc nicely and took care of that problem. I didn't have any issues with the trigger it's not like the r10 trigger for sure, more like a umarex 850 I think. I was only able to shoot it 32 times before the mosquitoes began their assault. Too many.
Anyway, after cleaning the barrel and mounting the only scope available a Winchester 4x32 from academy I somewhat got it close to zeroed at 25 yards.
All pics are of 5 shot groups.
Pic 1 is of shots 16-20.
Pic 2&3 are of shots 21-25.
Pic 4 is of shots 28-32.

That's all I had time for plus the needle on the gauge was getting close to the red and I did not have my pump.
Today I will shoot it over the chrony if I get home early enough to do so.

[K.O.]

Those are with the your Buc not the r10 right...

Well I have a tradition of posting the first groups of my builds/purchases for better or worse...

This time it is 9 shots combo zero and group... It arrived with 125 bar in the tank and fill adapter is due Monday...

Hurricane Horizon 4X32 (Tasco made 70s_60s) nice fine wire crosshairs... simple...

Aim was point bottom bull pulled trigger and missed the whole plate...

So moved aim point to the top tack(biggest  tack hole top center)


the first two shots went way right and low and then I decide to move the scope back then got the lone hole
then some adjustment took a wild guess did not want to count clicks... Moved aim point to bottom bull was high right  adjusted down and left,   Counting clicks this time...

then I call the low right shot my fault... was not trying hard or watching form etc...

then I was down around 100 bar so called it quits...

CPUM from the tin... I like the first few times with a new rifle to be very relaxed not pushing for perfection point is, I think it is capable of one big hole groups at 25 yards... am a happy camper... there is a small niggle about the stain on my stock not quite done right...

But I do have enough walnut for about 6 stocks...

[K.O.]

oh forgot my 14.5" barreled 2289 clone from about 16-22 pumps barks just a touch louder than the Buc at a 1800 psi fill...

[rabbitguy]

K.O, yes those are with the Buccaneer. I got lucky and got it near zero in just a few shots. I  am happy with it and once i get use to it I will move the target out to 50 yards and try my best.
by the way i was using jsb exact 10.3grn pellets, my goto pellet.

[vigilandy]

Is it just me or did anyone else notice that the magazine in the Buccaneer is entirely plastic?  The Scorpion on the other hand,  has a magazine that has plastic sides but an aluminum center. They seem to be interchangeable though. 

[SpiralGroove]

Yeah Vigilandy,
Even the R10 has a mostly plastic magazine, with the two larger, flat sides being sheet metal.  At first I was dismayed, however, after time I have realized they work flawlessly .......... so problem at all .

[K.O.]

Hey Andy mine is metal on the feed side and the rest is plastic but works very well...

I have been testing pellets at 20-30 yards...would shoot two magazines then refill so not all were tested quite equally...

Also the pellets tended to have two small groups with a slight space... last night I found the screw holding the action to the stock was a loose allowing  movement so I think my groups will be better than the ones during testing

I am very happy with mine it is barely pellet picky... so far the only pellets that it did not like are  Winchester pointed(all over the place 4") and RWS superdomes... If it had the ability to be turn down the power I think it would like them...

its favorites so far are the CPUM 10.3g, Benji hollow/CPHP 7.9g, H&N Barracuda hunter 10.34g, and the Kodiak 10.65g... <.5" groups

with just slightly larger group size are the Winchester hollow point 9.7g, Air Arms 10.3 and JSB Monster 13.4g...

It was very interesting that on the vertical plane at 20-30 yards all the pellets had very close to the same poi...


On the horizontal plane it was near the same except the JSB monsters hit about 1" left at 20 yards and almost 2" left at 30...

The AA 10.3g was .25" left at 20 and about .5" at 30 yards... Hmm implications about cylindrical pellets..?


The pellets that surprised me were the  Benji 7.9 and the Crosman 7.4 points(.44 goup except for a flier out at about .5 away)

I did not expect the lighter pellets to do that well having no way to turn down the power... but do think a RVA would help even more..!

I have some light hollows and wad cutters  to test seeing that the Crosman lights did well... oh have about 30 left of the Winnie domed also...

Eventually I will test at 40-60 yards but so far I am very happy with the Buccaneer .177... so far the power plant seems very consistent with arguably one of the best barrels out there( Hammer forged(read durable), tapered & choked, and  solid enough  to not be harmonically active(which point to the poi shifts of other barrels with different pellets being at least partially  due to harmonics)...

I just checked the Buccaneer .177 price and they are back at $505(.25 is 499.99 thru P.A.)...

Makes me wonder about the .22 ever going on as good of a sale, I think  I would choose it over the Discovery(.25 is still Mrod territory for my choice )

All I can say so far is GREAT JOB in Birmingham folks... I spent some $ I really could barely afford and am happy I did...

I feel with an RVA this would be the .177 or .22 to have...

Some very minor niggles on the stocks staining and the loose screw on mine but that's it...

Oh, I have only been pumping to 3000 psi...