.177 BSA Buccaneer SE is on its way, any owners or Gammo Coyote owners...

[rkr]

It's not a match grade trigger. It is better than Gamo springers since the hammer pushes the sear much less than a spring piston. It can also be improved by CDT blade and polishing. The regular BSA PCP trigger becomes very close to match grade (I find no difference to my Anschutz/FWB triggers) when you do the polish, adjust and use lighter springs for it.

[texcl]

I almost pulled the trigger on the scorpion .177, but I worry I won't be getting the most out of a PCP without at least a .22 caliber barrel. Seems that the velocity between .177 and .22 are so close that .22 would probably be better for longer distances. This will be my first PCP although I have a lot of experience with springers and co2 rifles. Good to see that it shouldn't be too hard to convert down the road if parts become available.

[K.O.]

In the end I am glad they came up with the Buc & Yote  and I was able to snag the Buc for $280...

I just do not think that the nicer BSA offerings should be modded to the point that I want to mod the Buccaneer to... they should be sent to the J.B. spa and passed down in the family...

But with the Buc, I will have no guilty feelings about putting the 26" hakim barrel on it while modding for a short shot string and higher fpe...

[rkr]

In the end I am glad they came up with the Buc & Yote  and I was able to snag the Buc for $280...

I just do not think that the nicer BSA offerings should be modded to the point that I want to mod the Buccaneer to... they should be sent to the J.B. spa and passed down in the family...

But with the Buc, I will have no guilty feelings about putting the 26" hakim barrel on it while modding for a short shot string and higher fpe...

A bit like the Gamo Dynamax. Got mine for 200 euros in .22 and have modded the *(&^ out of it since. Short barrel, long barrel, bullpup conversion, regulated, longer air tube and it finally ended up as BSA Scorpion in .25 For the money spent I could have just bought the Scorpion but it sure was fun and it ain't over yet.

[vigilandy]

Got some time to look over the Buccaneer some more.  Took action out of the stock to compare to Scorpion.  Unfortunately stocks do not swap.  Not just because of air gauge,  but trigger group completely different.   This was expected,  but one can dream.   Top end very similar to Scorpion.  I like the Buccaneer wood stock MUCH better than the synthetic on the Scorpion. Buccaneer also handles a lot better.  Scorpion is very front heavy- probably a combination of longer air tube,  shroud,  and synthetic stock. 

Really dislike the thin plastic fill cover on the Buccaneer.  Seems a bit fragile. 

[K.O.]

It seems no one like the plastic cover..

The Scorp is back up to 700$ already... I think you have some good Karma and the ability to make decision doing you well...

I bet the heavy .177 like the JSB monsters do well... I have the feeling the Buc just might break the 20fpe mark with them... The Beast might be a bit heavy for the shorter barrel..?

It will be fun to find out how it does with all the different pellets...

[rabbitguy]

If I wanted less power, would this be the place to start ? See part circled in picture.
Looks like shortening that would result in a less preloaded hammer spring. Assuming the spring is actually compressed to start with, of course.

[K.O.]

In the long run I plan on replacing with a power adjuster setup  to allow for variable preload... Something like the disco end cap/preload adjusters in this thread

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=82722.0


I actually want to be able to go from  about 700-800 fps with 14.3 to as much as I can get(up to about 950fps) with 27 grain PDG bombs & destroyers  and cast .224 up to about 30g-35g-40g... this would be thru a rather unique 26"  1950s Beretta Hakim .22lr Barrel...

If you go to 1:22 in the vid and grab a shot of the valve  and post it here I would appreciate can not  figure how to myself... what you will see is an air/power restrictor... in the muzzle end of the valve...

so between the restrictor and transfer port/porting size and a preload adjuster maybe...

I think this will be key in the hunt for 28 to 50-65 fpe  in .224 ...

[K.O.]

I bet you have to change striker spring and transfer port to adjust fpe... I wonder if a power adjuster mod is possible...  any links to a BSA or Gammo valve..?

I wonder just how much fpe the design has in it with a 25.75" .22lr barrel... Could I get a magazine worth of  50-60 fpe with 30 grain boolits?

even with +7.25"  added barrel length and 3300 psi the tank,  might be to small for that..?

I have some BSA learning to do... I wonder if the valve is a one off or borrowed from another model... Did John and BSA part ways?

off to the search



 

What's your source for .22lr bullets? I've been wondering about building a BR gun using .22lr or .224 barrel but getting the ammo seems to be a bit problematic.

well it looks like 10 cents a round( before whatever shipping is) but there are these 41.5 grain .224 RWS

http://www.krale-schietsport.nl/en/airgun-pellets-rws-5-7-mm-41-5-grain.html

[K.O.]

In the end I am glad they came up with the Buc & Yote  and I was able to snag the Buc for $280...

I just do not think that the nicer BSA offerings should be modded to the point that I want to mod the Buccaneer to... they should be sent to the J.B. spa and passed down in the family...

But with the Buc, I will have no guilty feelings about putting the 26" hakim barrel on it while modding for a short shot string and higher fpe...

A bit like the Gamo Dynamax. Got mine for 200 euros in .22 and have modded the *(&^ out of it since. Short barrel, long barrel, bullpup conversion, regulated, longer air tube and it finally ended up as BSA Scorpion in .25 For the money spent I could have just bought the Scorpion but it sure was fun and it ain't over yet.

I have some very High hopes for the Beretta barrel as a combo  Boolit/pellet barrel for it... If I remember right some of the high end .22lr (Anschutz n such) have a bit of choke... But honestly have not seen a .22lr  choked as much as this one  .218-.219 groove .212 land...
If it does as well as I hope it just might stay...

Partialy in honor of my maternal grandmother... Her father("a son of Madoc" (Mad dog)) was Welsh and my great Grandmother half Spanish and half Italian... so Welsh/Spanish/Italian just like the Buc  would be with the Beretta barrel...

Also I could call it the K.O. Buccaneer Hakim 212 fireball...

(K.O. = Knock out but also Kirby O. , Buccaneer = pirate,  Hakim=ruler/governor/judge, 212 fireball= for the bore and a tribute to wildcatters...

But like I said I am going to enjoy it as a .177 for a good while first... With the BSA barrel I bet it even does well with the CPUM 10.3

and spits them about 950fps/20.6fpe stock...

I love both of the Daisy 953s I have (both were gifts, one was from vigilandy(THANKS again... Morgan loves it)) but other than those I have  been a Benji/Crosman guy exclusively for many 40+ years (for good reason in my mind)

I have only wanted to buy one other brand/model of air rifle and that was when the Titan Mohawk MP  came out so I guess that there is a bit of symmetry  to this purchase being from a company that was smart enough to hire its creator..

[rabbitguy]

If you go to 1:22 in the vid and grab a shot of the valve  and post it here I would appreciate can not  figure how to myself... what you will see is an air/power restrictor... in the muzzle end of the valve...
 



Here you go .

[K.O.]

Thank you,


 in the vid I could not tell if it was two more holes or what I just made sure of, it is held in with a C-clip... so yep  would need to have a few with different openings for differing power levels...

open for max power...

Have to do some thinking and studying to figure most efficient balance at a given power level...

[rabbitguy]

You're welcome.

good luck with your project.

[K.O.]

You're welcome.

good luck with your project.

Thanks it will be a while I need to finish the Marlin .22 WMR Barrel for the Marauder project first...

But that's the cool part they are very capable pellet shooters as is...

Hmm I bet the Mrod shroud system  will close to fit right on... Hmmm and I think the barrel threads are the same as the Hatsan air stripper?

[rabbitguy]

I wonder if the new R-10 mk2 shroud will fit. I think my R-10  mk1 shroud will be too short. I have another hour  and a half togo before I get home and finally able to open the package ups dropped off this morning. Can't wait too see how the buc compares to the R -10. Still wont be able to shoot it until tomorrow, dang.

[K.O.]

I may only get to look at mine for a few days while I wait for the adapter to Foster, the did not ship it till yesterday... I think  I picked the right one...

[vigilandy]

It seems no one like the plastic cover..

The Scorp is back up to 700$ already... I think you have some good Karma and the ability to make decision doing you well...

I bet the heavy .177 like the JSB monsters do well... I have the feeling the Buc just might break the 20fpe mark with them... The Beast might be a bit heavy for the shorter barrel..?

It will be fun to find out how it does with all the different pellets...

I'm not much a believer in Karma and in fact my wife considers me a pessimist....  On the other hand,  I did give away some unused items from my collection recently.  And wouldn't you know it,  I've picked up some bargains that more than made up for the cost of the things I gave away. 

If all goes well,  I will mount a scope on the Scorpion tonight and put some pellets downrange tomorrow. I really did get lucky with that- the price went up pretty quick.  I just need to decide what to do with the Buccaneer. 

[rkr]

Thank you,


 in the vid I could not tell if it was two more holes or what I just made sure of, it is held in with a C-clip... so yep  would need to have a few with different openings for differing power levels...

open for max power...

Have to do some thinking and studying to figure most efficient balance at a given power level...

It would be easier to adjust the power with transfer port and just have big enough opening in the valve housing. It seems that removing the breech is a three screw deal only.

[rkr]

I wonder if the new R-10 mk2 shroud will fit. I think my R-10  mk1 shroud will be too short. I have another hour  and a half togo before I get home and finally able to open the package ups dropped off this morning. Can't wait too see how the buc compares to the R -10. Still wont be able to shoot it until tomorrow, dang.

There's no point in using R10 shroud, it's not even backvented. I'd suggest asking Huub if his shrouds can be mounted.

[K.O.]

Thank you,


 in the vid I could not tell if it was two more holes or what I just made sure of, it is held in with a C-clip... so yep  would need to have a few with different openings for differing power levels...

open for max power...

Have to do some thinking and studying to figure most efficient balance at a given power level...

It would be easier to adjust the power with transfer port and just have big enough opening in the valve housing. It seems that removing the breech is a three screw deal only.

I agree... I think they did it that way for differing export fpe restrictions? or does it help with the contraction/shock of sudden psi loss..?