Author Topic: HW95L Pellet Tests (Read 20330 times))

dtdtdtdt · « **Reply #40 on:** May 24, 2015, 02:48:51 PM »

Just wandering around the internet and put in hw95L as a search parameter to see what your gun looks like and found reference to a guy on this site (KEVINBRIAN) who posted about a HW95L purchase a couple years ago. He seems to be quite knowledgeable. He claims to have a bunch of them so must be happy. If you can find him perhaps he can provide some tips on making yours shoot better! Below is the url to the post.

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=38711.msg360287#msg360287

TWBryan · « **Reply #41 on:** May 24, 2015, 03:02:35 PM »

Thanks Dave,I'll look into it.

So far today,I re-tensioned the breech bolt,tried gun at 15 yards w/barracudas and could produce small groups. Just got in from shooting at 30 yards,sadly groups did not improve at that range.

I think the next step will be to try tightening up the breech bolt more. Maybe the ubermensch that tightened it at the factory had a reason. Secondly if I can I'll shoot again tomorrow using the 5.53 barracudas.

I think I've tried everything,my technique is good enough I should be producing smaller groups,and have done so in the past with different rifles. The trigger is a bit stiff,probably needs to be taken out,cleaned and re-lubed. I don't want to do anything that would void the warranty though,not that the warranty is worth much.

bReTt · « **Reply #42 on:** May 24, 2015, 06:49:43 PM »

Tim, do you know that the screw right behind the trigger can be adjusted to increase or decrease the pull weight of the trigger?

If you do take it out, a simple cleaning with brake cleaner and then a shot of RemOil then a small dab of (clear tar) grease or a touch of moly on the contact surfaces will usually make them even nicer.

If you want to go through the whole thing and polish contacting surfaces, here is a link to help you through it. I have swapped the factory spring out for a lighter one on my HW30S and adjusted it to be a very light and crisp break but I wouldn't recommend making the 95 as light as the 30.

http://www.airguns.net/general_rekord_trigger.php

RatRacer · « **Reply #43 on:** May 24, 2015, 07:12:19 PM »

Quote from: bReTt on May 24, 2015, 06:49:43 PM

Tim, do you know that the screw right behind the trigger can be adjusted to increase or decrease the pull weight of the trigger?

If you do take it out, a simple cleaning with brake cleaner and then a shot of RemOil then a small dab of (clear tar) grease or a touch of moly on the contact surfaces will usually make them even nicer.

If you want to go through the whole thing and polish contacting surfaces, here is a link to help you through it. I have swapped the factory spring out for a lighter one on my HW30S and adjusted it to be a very light and crisp break but I wouldn't recommend making the 95 as light as the 30.

http://www.airguns.net/general_rekord_trigger.php

Thanks for that link Brett.
As many times I've visited there, I never knew that page was there.

TWBryan · « **Reply #44 on:** May 25, 2015, 01:09:29 AM »

Brett,yes I do know about the trigger adjustment,I've straightened the trigger tab and made only minor adjustments to the trigger. I doubt I have the skill anymore to polish the sears,so I'll restrain myself to simply cleaning and lubing.

Checked the breech bolt ,and it was quite loose. It seems to be coming loose on it's own so I think I will have to do something about that. I'll consider taking out the trigger unit tomorrow.

Thanks

Tim

bReTt · « **Reply #45 on:** May 25, 2015, 12:35:24 PM »

Quote from: RatRacer on May 24, 2015, 07:12:19 PM

Quote from: bReTt on May 24, 2015, 06:49:43 PM
Tim, do you know that the screw right behind the trigger can be adjusted to increase or decrease the pull weight of the trigger?

If you do take it out, a simple cleaning with brake cleaner and then a shot of RemOil then a small dab of (clear tar) grease or a touch of moly on the contact surfaces will usually make them even nicer.

If you want to go through the whole thing and polish contacting surfaces, here is a link to help you through it. I have swapped the factory spring out for a lighter one on my HW30S and adjusted it to be a very light and crisp break but I wouldn't recommend making the 95 as light as the 30.

http://www.airguns.net/general_rekord_trigger.php

Thanks for that link Brett.
As many times I've visited there, I never knew that page was there.

Your welcome! It's nice to have something to reference when working on the Rekord.

bReTt · « **Reply #46 on:** May 25, 2015, 12:51:56 PM »

Quote from: TWBryan on May 25, 2015, 01:09:29 AM

Brett,yes I do know about the trigger adjustment,I've straightened the trigger tab and made only minor adjustments to the trigger. I doubt I have the skill anymore to polish the sears,so I'll restrain myself to simply cleaning and lubing.

Checked the breech bolt ,and it was quite loose. It seems to be coming loose on it's own so I think I will have to do something about that. I'll consider taking out the trigger unit tomorrow.

Thanks

Tim

I figured you did but sometimes folks aren't aware of what it's there for so I thought that I would ask, just in case. I think that you will be happy with a clean and relube on the trigger. That is usually all they need and a few turns of a screw to get them set to your liking. I love the fact that the whole unit is contained and can be removed or installed with out separating all of the moving parts. It's a great design, especially for working on other parts of the rifle. Here is a video link to disassemble the HW95 should you be interested.

Man, I hope that you get this thing shooting well soon. It's a great rifle IMO. I guess that's why I have two, one in each caliber!

Brett

dtdtdtdt · « **Reply #47 on:** May 25, 2015, 01:32:33 PM »

Another question on your issues at greater distance. I noted the scope was a 3x9-40 but didn't see if it was an adjustable objective scope. It is possible that the parallax settings are off for the distance you are shooting. It is unlikely that it would cause that much difference but worth a shot to check it.

TWBryan · « **Reply #48 on:** May 25, 2015, 03:01:52 PM »

Took it apart with great care today and cleaned and lubed the trigger unit.Took the breech bolt out and looked over everything.The shims seem to have been treated with thin oil,there was a silver half ring where one rubbed against the breech block. Cleaned it all then lubed both sides of the shims with moly.

Put it back together and degreased the breech bolt threads with rubbing alcohol. Couldn't find the loc-tite so I coated the threads with clear fingernail polish. I tightened the breech bolt and nut a good deal tighter than I normally do. It should be all right with moly on the shims.

I will try it out tomorrow.

TWBryan · « **Reply #49 on:** May 26, 2015, 03:19:17 PM »

Shot hw95L at 30 yds. Started that grouping was tight ,but 3" to the right and 2" high. Adjusted the zero until it was on target,but groups fell apart at that point. Checked breech bolt,but it was still tight.

Swapped one piece mount for rings,set rings to tug scope towards the left ,hoping to compensate. Mechanically centered the windage clickety click.

Thinking of replacing the lock washers on the breech bolt,they aren't holding it in place,perhaps something else would.

If I had the money I'd replace scope and mounts,but I don't.

Might go out and try the new setup at 15 yards.

TWBryan · « **Reply #50 on:** June 13, 2015, 12:53:03 AM »

I have spent some time trying to get the 95 to make decent groups ,so far it isn't doing so. I did receive my order of PDG pellets. Unfortunately these pellets are grossly undersized ,at least for my rifle.So much so that one actually fell out with my noticing. I sure noticed when I fired though.

The PDGs gave pretty abysmal accuracy as you can imagine. I took some and flared the skirts so they would at least not fall out of the chamber . Four inch groups at 15 yards.

I set up my camera and video recorded the muzzle of the rifle over a five shot string. There was some muzzle movement from recoil,but I am not jerking it,or twitching the muzzle. I don't say that entirely eliminates the loose nut behind the trigger,but it's not jerking the trigger or bad follow though.

I have an order of pellets arriving on Monday H&N Sniper light,H&N Barracudas, H&N FTTs, and Air Arms Field Heavies. I try to be hopeful ,but my luck so far with air rifles hasn't been the best.

ShakerT44 · « **Reply #51 on:** June 13, 2015, 07:35:55 AM »

Quote from: hoffy43 on May 17, 2015, 06:08:09 PM

Also might want to consider feeding her pellets that don't exceed 15 grains. according to CDT 15 grains is the max he recommends @ .22cal in a springer before spring damage would be a concern. Also you would Gain some significant Fps back into the equation. I know a lot of shooters disregard pellet weight concerns as they are willing to replace springs as needed in order to gain their desired shot. Its all up to the individual shooter:)

Here is the link to the post where CDT talks about choosing pellet weights.

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=14044.msg119254#msg119254

I had to hunt down the post because I'm currently trying to find a few good pellets for my hw95. The Baracudas shoot very well but if I'm going to damage the spring then I need to find something under 16 grains.

TWBryan · « **Reply #52 on:** June 13, 2015, 08:31:41 AM »

ShakerT44, Thanks,but I've already tested lighter weight pellets and the accuracy with them is quite poor. It sounds like you are in the same boat as I am,and I wish you luck on finding the right pellet. Be sure to check the tension of your breech bolt as this may have a major impact in how this gun shoots.

ATVB

newlife3 · « **Reply #53 on:** June 13, 2015, 08:45:58 PM »

I had issues with a particular gun one time , did everything I could to clean up the problem. I finally let a friend ,whom I know shoots well give the gun a test, he confirmed the problem and that at least gave me comfort that it wasn`t my shooting. Maybe let someone else shoot your gun and give you an opinion.. it might be you and not the gun.
Slso change scopes to make sure that isn`t in the equation. You can borrow one maybe..

TheBman · « **Reply #54 on:** June 13, 2015, 09:20:59 PM »

Quote from: newlife3 on June 13, 2015, 08:45:58 PM

I had issues with a particular gun one time , did everything I could to clean up the problem. I finally let a friend ,whom I know shoots well give the gun a test, he confirmed the problem and that at least gave me comfort that it wasn`t my shooting. Maybe let someone else shoot your gun and give you an opinion.. it might be you and not the gun.
Slso change scopes to make sure that isn`t in the equation. You can borrow one maybe..

Yeah man, I think it might be worth a chance and I mean no disrespect. Sometimes my buddy will grab my gun, put 5 in the same hole and look at me like I am blind LOL.

Looking at your groups you have posted, seems to me the gun wants to group, however the central point of impact changes. Unsure if your chasing zero on each target , or just shooting and it moves on you or.......? Best groups you have posted were the FTT's and that changed on each target. I'm curious what would happen if you cleaned the barrel and put a hundred of them on paper without changing anything, don't zero it, don't adjust, just shoot it. Just keep the same point of aim and watch the point of impact and see if it tracks off, or remains in a central point. Should tell you a lot about the gun and optics.

Man that gun oughta just drive tacks with something between 14 and 18 grains...at least I would think so!

TWBryan · « **Reply #55 on:** June 14, 2015, 10:43:24 AM »

Newlife3,thanks,I video recorded the gun muzzle to make certain I waasn't jerking the trigger,I have no one else to shoot my guns. Already swapped scopes to check earlier in the game.

Bman, I've dropped back to 15 yards to shoot and pellet test. A new pellet order will be arriving late tomorrow so I might be able to renew testing again on Tuesday.

Today I shot H&N Barracudas 5.51 at 15 yards to see if it would group. Throughout this session I adjusted the scope down 6 clicks,which had no discernible effect. The groups are ok,I just wish I could do the same at 30 yards.

ShakerT44 · « **Reply #56 on:** June 16, 2015, 08:04:11 AM »

Quote from: TWBryan on June 14, 2015, 10:43:24 AM

Today I shot H&N Barracudas 5.51 at 15 yards to see if it would group. Throughout this session I adjusted the scope down 6 clicks,which had no discernible effect. The groups are ok,I just wish I could do the same at 30 yards.

Was that from a benchrest or artillery hold? For people new to the thread it might be helpful to include that information with any target pictures you post. If you have the time, I would just keep shooting more groups with the Baracudas until your other pellets arrive. You might get some useful information now that you found something that doesn't produce a shotgun pattern. I doubt this will help but RWS superdomes and Vortex Supremes shoot just fine in my hw95. I wish I could help more but my air rifle experience is beginner level at best.

TWBryan · « **Reply #57 on:** June 17, 2015, 12:43:22 PM »

ShakerT44,thanks I haven't tried Superdomes yet. I do shoot from a rest,and I do use the artillery hold.

Latest pellet tests from yesterday and today.

RatRacer · « **Reply #58 on:** June 17, 2015, 01:24:56 PM »

The AA and FTT look like they should be revisited at 30yd.

DanD · « **Reply #59 on:** June 17, 2015, 03:29:18 PM »

The 'cudas and AAs look really good. I'd keep working with them.
Getting a new rifle is definitely a journey.
I have had an R9 for years and I can shoot it pretty well. I recently got an HW50, and I was a bit disappointed that it wasn't as accurate as the R9 even though it has less recoil and should allegedly be easier to shoot. However, after hundreds and hundreds of pellets, the 50s is shooting pretty awesome- maybe even better that the R9. I think a big part of it is all the practice I got as I kept testing pellets, shooting groups, and plinking with it. Realizing this, I went back and retested some of the pellets that I had poor results with in the beginning, and they shoot better now. Hmmm. I even revisited some different pellets with the R9 and found some I never knew it liked.
So keep on shooting! If shooting groups gets tedious or frustrating, just plink instead. I love just relaxing on a porch chair and popping a plastic golf ball around. It still gives opportunity to get used to the nuances of the rifle and work on technique without having every less than perfect shot staring back at me on permanent record.
Have fun!

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HW95L Pellet Tests

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