maybe i need a pcp

[Sfttailrdr46]

Can't blame the gun if you forget the probe or mag,...can only blame yourself

x2 and if you don't check your equipment before  hitting the road if it leaks when you get there it was probably leaking before you left. Another thought  when I go to the range it is a 4 to 6 hour minimum of shooting , so more than 1 rifle to shoot goes with me

[Laz]

Can't blame the gun if you forget the probe or mag,...can only blame yourself

x2 and if you don't check your equipment before  hitting the road if it leaks when you get there it was probably leaking before you left. Another thought  when I go to the range it is a 4 to 6 hour minimum of shooting , so more than 1 rifle to shoot goes with me

Another unfortunate quirk of a pcp is if you're on a hunt far away from home and the gun decides to blow a seal and dumps all the air and you obviously don't have the tools/kit to tear your gun down to the valve to replace the seal so it's a long walk back to the vehicle then a long drive home.

It happens. 

[Nomadic Pirate]

Same with every other type gun, break a spring on a springer, break the ram on a gas ram, break a seal on a Pumper.

the chances are the same with every type gun,...stuff can go wrong.

[michaelthomas]

One time I drove my car to a match and it ran out of gas.  I hate cars.....had I just left a few days earlier and walked to the match.....that never would have happened. 

Mike

[Laz]

Same with every other type gun, break a spring on a springer, break the ram on a gas ram, break a seal on a Pumper.

the chances are the same with every type gun,...stuff can go wrong.

That's true. But I think its safe to say an o ring is more likely to fail than a spring. 

And I'm not knocking pcp's! Was just sharing my experience as suggested by another post. I'm on your side! 

[Nomadic Pirate]

One time I drove my car to a match and it ran out of gas.  I hate cars.....had I just left a few days earlier and walked to the match.....that never would have happened. 

Mike

LOL

[anuthabubba]

Can't blame the gun if you forget the probe or mag,...can only blame yourself

And I find, lately, that I am blaming myself for forgetting to do or not do things fairly often.    Probably one reason I take along 2 or more airguns/airgun types when going out for a shoot. The other day I got out to a familiar spot and looked in the back seat for the 'ammo belt' that holds my pellet pouches and knife and it wasn't there! Luckily I had brought the small canvas 'tool bag' that I use to carry extra pellets, binocs, lazer ranger, Secret Sauce, a coupla extra pellet pouches and...the ammo belt! Was able to put a pouch of pellets on my pants belt and get some shooting done.

It's good to have a backup plan.

[DavidS]

Same with every other type gun, break a spring on a springer, break the ram on a gas ram, break a seal on a Pumper.

the chances are the same with every type gun,...stuff can go wrong.

Except on a pumper I have two extra sets of seals in my pack, and the multi head screw driver in my pocket is all the tools needed, just use the top of the pack as a work surface to keep it off of the ground.

[DavidS]

Same with every other type gun, break a spring on a springer, break the ram on a gas ram, break a seal on a Pumper.

the chances are the same with every type gun,...stuff can go wrong.

That's true. But I think its safe to say an o ring is more likely to fail than a spring. 

And I'm not knocking pcp's! Was just sharing my experience as suggested by another post. I'm on your side! 

On PCP's likely true.

On pumpers look at the number of 60 year old pumpers on there original seals shot daily there entire life, and still going strong.

For low power springers the same can some times be said, though not as often.  For springers with decent power springs tend to break with in 20 years, or at least fatigue.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Same with every other type gun, break a spring on a springer, break the ram on a gas ram, break a seal on a Pumper.

the chances are the same with every type gun,...stuff can go wrong.

Except on a pumper I have two extra sets of seals in my pack, and the multi head screw driver in my pocket is all the tools needed, just use the top of the pack as a work surface to keep it off of the ground.

Is that why on an other thread you say you bring 2 quns with you hunting just in case ?   

I go hunting in thick jungle conditions for big Boars and I never took a second gun, neither any of my PCPs ever happened to not work at some point, 6 years and counting hunting Hogs with PCPs and never had to come back once because my guns failed.

[DavidS]

Same with every other type gun, break a spring on a springer, break the ram on a gas ram, break a seal on a Pumper.

the chances are the same with every type gun,...stuff can go wrong.

Except on a pumper I have two extra sets of seals in my pack, and the multi head screw driver in my pocket is all the tools needed, just use the top of the pack as a work surface to keep it off of the ground.

Is that why on an other thread you say you bring 2 quns with you hunting just in case ?   

I go hunting in thick jungle conditions for big Boars and I never took a second gun, neither any of my PCPs ever happened to not work at some point, 6 years and counting hunting Hogs with PCPs and never had to come back once because my guns failed.

.   A little twisted,   I bring two guns just incase I need a follow up shot.    I have never yet needed the second gun, nor have I ever yet needed the seal kits I carry.   Though I still take them just in case.

It is good that you have not had any trouble so far.   I will be interested to hear how they are doing in another 40 years on there original seals .

[Nomadic Pirate]

Hahaha, even more funny, need 2 guns so I can have a follow up shot, LOL

They don't need to last 40 years, open them up every few year and do a bit of maintenace, PCPs are surprisingly very simple to work on.

That's very little effort for the huge return what those guns give you, no other platform can math what a PCP offers

[DavidS]

Hahaha, even more funny, need 2 guns so I can have a follow up shot, LOL

They don't need to last 40 years, open them up every few year and do a bit of maintenace, PCPs are surprisingly very simple to work on.

That's very little effort for the huge return what those guns give you, no other platform can math what a PCP offers

LOL, resealing considered minimum maintanence, wow.  Now that is comical, thank you for the cuuckle.

For my guns minimal maintainence is keeping them clean and oiled.    I will be surprised if I have to reseal most of them again in my lifetime.   I put new seals in them when I get them, even though the original seals are usualy still good (even in my Crosman 101 that still had its original seals, only the piston seal needed replaced, after about 80 years of heavy use).

I agree that with what is currently offered, PCP's are the top of the line in big bores.   Since for practical reasons pumpers are all small caliber, and only available up to 50FPE (mellinium pumper) with in the budget that a PCP usualy takes up.

I have nothing against PCP's, I would not want to carry one on a long trip in the woods (away from vehicles and home), do to the support equipment, though they have there place close to a vehicle or home.

I have said it many times, and I will say it again:
I have never yet needed the second gun, and I have never yet needed the seal kits.  I carry them just in case.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Hahaha, yeah all the PCP hunters stay close to home or the vehicle,

Ho Boy, all those poor PCP hunters that can't really go deep in the woods

[Sfttailrdr46]

  I own several Pellet rifles and have come to the conclusion that they are all way better than what I owned as a kid. Now have springer in all three flavors break barrel gas spring and conventional spring under lever, Pcp from .177 to .25 caliber and MSP truth be told they are all great rifles and will shoot all for many years to come so at the end of the day there is no one type that is better than the others only different 

[PIPERMAN]

  at the end of the day there is no one type that is better than the others only different 

+1000

[bmb]

Thanks for all the input guys. Realistically, at this point, I think a PCP is overkill for me. It would be like putting the cart before the horse or going from go carts to Indy. But, staying on the go cart track. I have two relatively new to me guns now to keep me entertained. I love my faithful model c. And, I'm only starting to check out the local ranges. It's inevitable I'll make the jump some day. But, for now I'm liking David's idea of another msp for my next ag. Simple, reliable, and effective. As always, your comments and ideas are welcome and appreciated.

[GarthThomas]

Get a PCP but keep your springer, I had been shooting springers for a couple years with all the frustrations and joys then I got my PCP and shot it for a year and a bit before I got another springer. Some days I don't feel like dealing with PCP peripherals and just shoot. I know my springers limitations and can work within them so I can keep the smiles coming, also I find the extra concentration to shoot the springer helps me shoot the PCP better. I use the springer for targets and the PCP for hunting.

[Tater]

Get a PCP but keep your springer, I had been shooting springers for a couple years with all the frustrations and joys then I got my PCP and shot it for a year and a bit before I got another springer. Some days I don't feel like dealing with PCP peripherals and just shoot. I know my springers limitations and can work within them so I can keep the smiles coming, also I find the extra concentration to shoot the springer helps me shoot the PCP better. I use the springer for targets and the PCP for hunting.

Good post. If I could afford a PCP, I'd do the same probably due to lack of a long range PCP worthy range.

[Pappy]

Thanks for all the input guys. Realistically, at this point, I think a PCP is overkill for me. It would be like putting the cart before the horse or going from go carts to Indy. But, staying on the go cart track. I have two relatively new to me guns now to keep me entertained. I love my faithful model c. And, I'm only starting to check out the local ranges. It's inevitable I'll make the jump some day. But, for now I'm liking David's idea of another msp for my next ag. Simple, reliable, and effective. As always, your comments and ideas are welcome and appreciated.

Bradley, here is a suggestion.  Get a Vortek PG2 kit, and install it in your Diana 34.  We just did this in my son-in-law's 34P.  This quick tune takes that rifle to incredible heights.  You will be extremely satisfied with the results, until you are ready to move up.  I assume you have a TO6 trigger in your 34, if not, that is a must.  Put some good glass on it, and enjoy shooting it for a year or so, then you may have an idea of where you want to go from there, depending on your interests .... benchrest, HFT, hunting, plinking, etc ..

On a personal note .... I may consider going with a puffer some day, but with all the "negatives" associated with PCP's (hassles primarily) I would not consider ANYTHING less than the best.  I would never go through all the hassles for a Disco or Marauder (sorry you guys) ..... I would go big, or go home.  I would determine what to buy looking at what every top competitor is using in regional, national and world competitions, look at the results for the classes that interest me, and start making a list to choose from.  I already know that I'll see a lot of FX, Daystate, AA, & RAW, just to mention a few, and I better be ready to drop about $4 to $5k on the rifle, tanks, connectors etc., and knowing me, another few grand on a compressor.  That's just me though, and this opinion does not coincide with most of the GTA members.


Pappy 

Pappy