Possible Problem With HW95 Who To Send To (Warranty??)

[Cslinger]

Well I took the plunge and ordered all the JM stuff.  I will keep everybody in the loop as to how the re-assembly goes.  I am sure I will have more questions but I just wanted to thank everybody as your advice has been invaluable. 

So in my head the lube will be going something this.

-Use the tar on the spring,  All the way around all coils
-Use the Moly fairly liberally on the piston body and on the outside of the piston seal.  (Not the front) just the sides
-Use the Moly on the spring guide
-Use the moly or whatever gun grease I have on the pivot points (cocking arm, barrel pivots etc.)
-A drop of moly on the sear/dis-connector
-Put it all back together give her a wipe down.

-Chase impossibly tiny spring around room trying to find it on carpet behind furniture with flashlight.
-Curse like drunken sailer
-Try to determine what those two extra pieces were for.............

Do I need to put any coating of lube(moly) on the inside of the compression tube itself or should I leave it dry.

Thanks again.
Chris

[stevemag]

this may be helpful.

[ptpalpha]

Glad you got it sorted out.
Couple tips for you: when installing the new piston seal, use the cap from a bottle of thread-locker.  It's a long cone-shape, and you slide the seal up the cone until it pops off onto your piston.  The small bottles of Lock-Tight have the correct size caps.  Works like a charm. 
Take great care when inserting the piston back into the compression tube...if you nick the seal you're right back where you started.
Regarding Krytox, just make sure you clean every last trace of existing lube out of the rifle before applying the Krytox.  As one of our members here is fond of saying (Ed Canoles), Krytox "doesn't play well with others".
Other than that, it sounds like you should be good to go.
-Paul

[Cslinger]

Perfect guys.  Thanks again.  Hopefully will have everything I need by Saturday.

I can totally see how one, especially on an assembly line, could nick / take a chunk out of seal putting into the compression tube.  Until it gets in front of the cut out for the other components there is a fair bit of stuff that could gouge that thing.

As an aside I got a reply from AoA within 24 hours of my email saying to send it in and they would take care of it or call a specific person if I wanted to talk through it.  Just for giggles I am going to see if I can just get them to send me piston seal to keep on hand.  All in all my experience with them has been good even though I realize it is a bit of Russian roulette when playing with them but I have bought a fair bit of stuff from them and other then slowish shipping I have no complaints.  They at least replied to my email in a timely manner and were willing to take it back in no questions asked so I cannot really ask for more than that.  If they kick me a free piston seal all the better.  If not such is life. 

At any rate I tell everybody that dealing with AoA can be a crapshoot but all in all I have managed to roll sevens most of the time.  I do wish Pyramyd or Straight Shooters carried more of the Weihrauch stuff.

Chris

[Motorhead]

Appreciate it very much.

You know I toyed with the idea of just replacing the seal and I might but a little part of me is thinking I have this thing tore down and It was always a little harsh cocking why not just do the full monte'

Now I just need parts and the ability to get it back together.  I am trying to figure out how the safety acts on the trigger pack.  That is the only piece that I am not quite sure how it works.

Thanks all,
Chris

Only TRICK there is PRE-COCK the trigger mechanics when placing back into receiver slot, Depress safety plunger as you align pin holes and replace pins.  Then squeeze trigger to release the mechanics.  Cock-N-Rock from there !!

[Cslinger]

No updates on the rifle rebuild but an update on AoA. 

Once again I have played Russian Roulette with them and come out on top.  I have to honestly say I have been very pleased with their response to this situation.  Just to give you a summary....

- I emailed them about possible issue

- I received email back within 24 hours indicating that would happily fix it.  They also gave me a direct contact in case I wanted to  talk through anything  / tech support etc.

-I emailed them back telling them I decided to do the tear down etc. myself and that I found that I likely had a bad piston seal from the factory.  I asked them if they could simply send me a seal and I would take care of it.

-I got an email back within 24 hours saying they would be happy to send me seal and to just give them the address where I wanted it shipped.

Honestly I don't feel like I could have asked for better service all in all.  Communication was quick and polite.  Options to fix my problem were given.  Once I determined what the problem was they are shipping me the part to fix no muss no fuss. 

So all in all so far I have been happy with my dealings with AoA with my only complaint besides their website from 1992 being that they tend to ship slow.

For anybody reading this who doesn't know the score dealing with AoA seems to be a hit or miss thing with folks.  I just happen to have always gotten the "empty chamber" in the numerous times I have dealt with them.  YMMV. 

But for this interaction I have no complaints.  As for them letting the gun out the door to begin with my guess is the seal had a nick or some kind of tear from the factory.  It probably shot a tad slow on their testing string but nothing hugely outside of the norm.  As I have shot it the tear has most likely gotten worse to where I have really noticed it now.  So I don't even fault them for shipping it.

[TOM aka critter99]

glad its all working out....

better response than many ...maybe consumers are starting to hold their feet to fire and they gonna improve

I still will never do business with them after the steamroller job they did to SSSO

[Cslinger]

I don't blame you one bit.  I always find it funny how a particular outfit can engender the love/hate response.

There is a Firearms dealer very well know, very good prices blah blah that everybody loves.  I CANNOT STAND THEM.  Will never do business with them again.  Had rude interactions with them, lied to etc. etc.  Yet plenty of other folks have great experiences. 

Weird how things can be so 180 degrees different from one day to the next, one person to the next.

Chris

[Pitchfire]

My experiences with them have been great. Lot's of things are out of their control but so far I have been impressed with their end of things.

[Cslinger]

So I just read the whole shooting sports thread etc.  Business is in business to make money but from what LITTLE knowledge I have I do agree there does seem to be some heavy handed attempts to corner markets. 

So after my experience with the HW95 I decided to do a test of my other rifles.  I don't own a Chrony so I improvised.  Loaded all the rifles with the same pellet .22 or .177 and shot a shot into a clean brick of duct seal.  Once I had them all fired all the .177 on one brick all the .22 on the other I did some depth tests to check for penetration.  I am happy to report my SWAG science experiment seems to play out that all the rifles are shooting as they should.  For example the HW97 really buried a pellet while the HW35e was only slightly less deep.  The 30s not as deep and similar to the Slavia 631.  The Slavia 634 put them just about as deep a the 35 as it should.  So basically they all planted just about the way they should have based on published velocity.

Not perfect, not super scientific but a good SWAG.

[TOM aka critter99]

the 97 with the sliding compression chamber tend to be faultless since you can control the quality better on its machined compression chamber better than way down inside a piece of tubing for break barrel.  Every now and then bad lot of tubing gets thru to production on break barrels  that's why I asked you if it had any pitting internally

I have both a 77 and 97 ...I wanted a HW80K carbine model in .20 in stock and on SSSO shelf but since the market grab by AOA I cannot call and order it.  Ad the fact that that model is not even stocked by AOA EVER so yeah I am done with AOA and HW if they don't reverse it.  SSSO was selling HW to US before AOA  even started up IN BUSINESS if anybody should be cut off it should be AOA FOR INVADING SSSO ESTABLISHED  SALES TERRITORY....NOW THAT WOULD BE FAIR TURN OF EVENTS 

[Cslinger]

One final followup.  I finally got the parts and lubricants and had time to re-assemble.  Everything is back together and shooting the way I expected it to from the start, like a big HW30/R7.  Power is back, accuracy is what it should have been from the beginning and it doesn't exhibit any hold sensitivity like it did before.  The cocking stroke is much smoother now.  In short its a different rifle.  What was most noticeable was the fact that I have a rear peep sight on the gun and originally I had to have the sight cranked fairly far to the left to compensate for what I thought was just the way the rifle shot.  Now it is "dang" near dead center along the bore so that is another indication that she is getting a proper centered solid puff of air.   

Re-Assembly was much more a PITA then Dis-Assembly and I don't mean the spring compression.  I had a bear of the time getting the breach/barrel assembly re-bolted up.  Much profanity ensued.

Also I have to report that AoA did indeed send me a pistol seal immediately.  Shipped way faster then they normally do, so I have a backup if I need it.

All in all this was a fairly fun exercise but not something I want to do on a regular basis.  Thank you all for the advice and help in this little project.

At any rate, thanks everybody for all your help.  It was invaluable.

Now I want an HW98.......................I have got to get a cheaper hobby like Hookers and Heroin......

Chris

[Booger]

One final followup.  I finally got the parts and lubricants and had time to re-assemble.  Everything is back together and shooting the way I expected it to from the start, like a big HW30/R7.  Power is back, accuracy is what it should have been from the beginning and it doesn't exhibit any hold sensitivity like it did before.  The cocking stroke is much smoother now.  In short its a different rifle.  What was most noticeable was the fact that I have a rear peep sight on the gun and originally I had to have the sight cranked fairly far to the left to compensate for what I thought was just the way the rifle shot.  Now it is "dang" near dead center along the bore so that is another indication that she is getting a proper centered solid puff of air.   

Re-Assembly was much more a PITA then Dis-Assembly and I don't mean the spring compression.  I had a bear of the time getting the breach/barrel assembly re-bolted up.  Much profanity ensued.

Also I have to report that AoA did indeed send me a pistol seal immediately.  Shipped way faster then they normally do, so I have a backup if I need it.

All in all this was a fairly fun exercise but not something I want to do on a regular basis.  Thank you all for the advice and help in this little project.

At any rate, thanks everybody for all your help.  It was invaluable.

Now I want an HW98.......................I have got to get a cheaper hobby like Hookers and Heroin......

Chris

The HW98 is a dream untuned after 2000 shots, tuned is something I can hardly wait for. Here is a chrony test I did yesterday with my R11 (HW98).

LO   834.00   13.04
HI   857.10   13.77
AVG   849.22   13.52
EP   23.10   
SD   5.20   

[palonej]

Excellent news Chris!!! Glad it all worked out!!
The 98, or R11, is right up there with my 97, TX and Pro Sport......in every respect!!
Mine has a Vortek SHO kit in her with about 3,000 rounds down the chute and is super smooth, laser like accuracy with a bunch of different domed pellets, built like a tank and easy to shoot well!!!
You simply can't ask for more from a springer!!
No enabling intended......yeah right!!
Chrony numbers after 1 tin after the tune.
The 2 best pellets in mine are FTTs and JSB 10.3.
The shots I have made with this rifle have amazed the snot out of me.
The groups almost convince me I know what I'm doing!!
Can't say enough great things about this gun! I e mailed HW about how happy I was with the gun and Hans W personally thanked me and sent me a cap.....I am an HW fan!!

98
 8.64 4.51 FTTs
14.7 fpe

870.4
876.1
869.2
877.9
880.4
884.4
889.2
871.4
877.4
878.0

Avg 877.4
ES 19.99
SD 6.24

7.9 CPLs

918.6
923.7
923.2
920.9
917.7
921.0
923.3
919.7
924.6

Avg 921.4
ES 8.87
SD 2.44
14.88 fpe

8.4 JSB 4.52

857.9
859.1
859.8
861.5
863.7
871.4
866.8
868.5
861.3
866.0

Avg 863.6
ES 13.52
SD 4.47
13.89 fpe

10.3 JSB

Lo 824.1
Hi 834.8
Avg 828.2
ES 10.74
SD 4
15.69 fpe

10.65 Baracuda Match

Lo 808.2
Hi 816.2
Avg 812.1
ES 7.95
SD 2.82

FPE 15.65