FDPCP, differences between the Gen 1 vs. Gen 2 models ? ? ?

[Gertrude]

Hey guys,
My buddy (and co-4H leader) has started showing symptoms of "PCP Fever".
I'm pretty confident his is a terminal infection, (for which we all know there is no vaccination, and no cure      ).

 We have already learned and just accept that once bitten by the bug,...
  ...we are best served, to accept and live with this disease, rather than trying to engage in fruitless, futile resistance.

 He has taken his first step into the 12 step program, by openly admitting he has the "Wants" real bad... and that they are progressing to feel more like "Needs" now.

 He has taken a liking to my Gen 1 .22 FDPCP, and he gets that "Ralphie-smile" each time he sits down to shoot it. (heck, I think he has shot it more than I have, haha).
  He is still fighting it (somewhat), but he knows it's a losing battle and will soon submit to the darkside.
He did just send me an email asking about the differences between the Gen 1 and Gen 2 versions.

I told him I will be happy to accelerate this terminal disease for him,... err,... I mean,... "Help out and ask here for him".

 IIRC,
The gen 2's still have a functional mechanical saftey, where they have been removed from the gen 1's ? Is this correct ?

I also seem to remember reading that where the Gen 1's can be easily swapped between .177 and .22 barrels, ... but the gen 2's are not capable of this barrel swap ? Is this correct ?

What is this about the gen 2's having some plastic components/parts, where the gen 1's are  all metal ?

I also seem to remember reading the gen 2's are lower velocity than the gen 1's ?

Is that all correct ? and/or is there any more differences between the gen 1 and gen 2 versions ?

Oh Yeah,...and before any of you say it, or try to accuse me of being an ENABLER...
 ... I prefer to look at it as,...
 " I'm just **HELPING OUT** a friend. (yeah,... that sounds good),  Right ? ? ?

 (Later on,... I'll give him the "You have now been Assimilated"  and the "Any Resistance is Futile" speech's)
BWA-HAHAHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ! ! !

[avator]

I remember something about Mike tuning them for low power, high shot or vice versa. Once it's tuned for high power, it's irreversable. Not sure about the barrel swapping.

Oh.. and yes, they have a safety.

[Gertrude]

anyone else ?
Stalwart, Rsterne ?
Mike?  Anyone ?

Anything about plastic on Gen 2's that is not on the gen 1's ?
barrel swapping constraints on the gen 2's ? Or any other differences ?

[rsterne]

Never seen a Gen2....

Bob

[Yarp]

Why not an email directly to Mike?

[Gertrude]

Why not an email directly to Mike?

Yeah, I'll do that too.
I just thought it would be nice to hear from as many folks as possible since this has quickly become a very popular rifle, and so many guys are tinkering on them now.

[avator]

Sorry Ron, all I have are Gen I's. I only know what I remember Mike posting about the Gen II. I really don't even remember seeing anyone posting that they bought a Gen II yet.

[Kailua]

You may try and look up Ribbonstones review of the Fusion.  If I remember correctly the trigger housing is plastic not pot metal like the first gen.  The safety of the second gen limits the adjustment of the trigger to being a short pull.  The cocking bolt is different on the second gen so the barrels are also machined differently and cannot be swamped out.  Also the valve is different made of some sort of plastic. 

[Gertrude]

Thanks guys,

I sent an email to Mike and asked if he could shed a little more light on it here.

I also seem to remember Mike saying something a while ago about possibly getting another batch of Gen 1's with a different brand name on them, and that he was trying to figure out an acceptable method to remove that name from them.

 I'm assuming it is a liability issue/condition on him getting them.
 I'm also assuming they are engraved or laser printed or something like that, and might need to be grinded off, or possibly a strong chemical stripper.

Either way, I cant see how anyone could complain about it, and might need to do a little finish job on them, considering how cheap Mike sells them for.

Has anyone heard any more on whether that second "maybe batch" of Gen 1's might become available ?

 I know a couple of guys who would probably jump on them... just for the tinkering factor if nothing else.   

[Yarp]

I hope you'll post the details when mike gets back to you.

[Gertrude]

I hope you'll post the details when mike gets back to you.

Will Do.
I sent the inquiry to him in an email and included a link to this thread.
Hopefully he will come here and give us more details.
Stay tuned...

[HillGSA]

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[Ribbonstone]

Out the box (Generation I .22) here is how she did:




Reducing the transfer port:





Haven’t a clue what’s changed with the Gen II, but suspect it’s more about having to use new part rather than parts on hand.

Not a bad looking little PCP:

[avator]

Ron.. I think Mike has the second round of GEN I in stock.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=78120.0

[stalwart]

The G2s have a plastic trigger housing with the safety integrated, and do not have either the bolt tensioner (half moon thingy) or retainer (ball and spring).

They also do not have the shoulder reduction in the barrel channel. They have the 2 ring valve body (as do the G1.5s).

[Ribbonstone]

Guess those changes couldn't be helped.  Not so concerned with the trigger units materials, but it sounds like the automatic set Fusion trigger unit, which is more work to get a decent trigger pull.

[stalwart]

Yes, it is. Fusions are dressed up and hushed down G2s.

[Gertrude]

Thanks for all the replies guys,
This is all good info that I'm sure others could benefit from.
Please continue to note any additional differences or pertainent info that might help us tinkerers determine what we want to do to our own FD's.

This is such a neat little rifle with so much potential for modifications.
 It's kind of like the 1377 of PCP's 
 I wonder if Lloyd has ever considered doing a Double tube kit for it     

[Gertrude]

Well it looks like my friend has apparently contracted an Exceptionally Aggressive form of "The Darkside Infection".

Last Saturday, he sent me a message saying he had just bought a lightly modded Disco from my friend at work.

Today, I get a message that both his kids will be getting a surprise from Santa, via MM at Flying Dragon. TWO Gen 1.5 FDPCP's in .177 ported to 850 fps.

Now he's on the prowl for used scuba tanks on CL, and shopping LDC's !
Next up,... a couple of scopes,... bipods,... slings,... cases,...

Yep, He's got it baaaaaad !
hahaha

[Ribbonstone]

Do have to mention that I don't think there is any production PCP that is easier to pump fill.  Small volume, 1500psi fill, and normally will shoot its best from 1500 to about 800psi, so are only really pumping in 700psi with of air.

With a tank, it's also one of the easiest guns to accidently over fill.  Certainly get a whole lot of fills from a 3K SCUBA tank, but will have to go real slow and pay strict attention.

(Can search and read the old posts, but most of the concern over fill pressure is due to the threaded part of the tube where is connects to the receiver and the thickness of the metal at the bottom of the threads. 1500PSI is a reasonable limit.)