Update: Specialty Shooting Sports bullied to stop cross US/Canada border sales

[Booger]

This is an interesting thread. Some people just do not get it. We have been warned, and I really want to see how this plays out. As Sgt. Joe Friday said "Just the facts". I would like add: This is one thing that has the potential to affect all of us.

Now I will return to my corner.

[grumpy]

The major problem is they do not serve the hobby, they serve themselves.

I sure can feel the hate in this thread.  We airgunners have a limited number of places to purchase our airguns and associated supplies.  Shooting Skud Missiles at any one of the vendors in the business is not good for the hobby as a whole.  It reduces competition and gives us a bad name. 
I learned early on here at GTA that politics plays a part in how will you fit into the click.  I shall leave it at that.

[56S]

Yep.  If I was in business for myself.....well, that just about explains it right there.  Do any if us know what the dealer agreement is with HW?  I would imagine it would take a lawyer to sort through it.  Most do.  I can't see HW caving because a dealer wants a share of the pie not due to him.  If your neighbor decided he wanted a tree that was 5 feet into your property and we all complained that you went to the local government about it, would that be right?  How about if there was a deed filed in the courthouse that said your neighbor owned all timber rights on your property. The point is that these issues get complicated fast.

[TOM aka critter99]

Yep.  If I was in business for myself.....well, that just about explains it right there.  Do any if us know what the dealer agreement is with HW?  I would imagine it would take a lawyer to sort through it.  Most do.  I can't see HW caving because a dealer wants a share of the pie not due to him.  If your neighbor decided he wanted a tree that was 5 feet into your property and we all complained that you went to the local government about it, would that be right?  How about if there was a deed filed in the courthouse that said your neighbor owned all timber rights on your property. The point is that these issues get complicated fast.

Ya just have not read the thread...

1. for 16 years or so they were not limited on territory per contract
2. One dealer threatened the other numerous times
3. Threatening dealer used HW to get other one cut off from LONGTIME customers

ya just don't see it and well we will have to agree to disagree 

[MikieG]

What part of t
his do you not understand? SSSO has had their "pie" longer than AOA has existed. There is nothing to debate. This change is recent. I could see this argument if SSSO just got into the HW business.
But 16 years? 16! So if there were a breech of contract, why just now get around to it? Did AOA start its business with this agreement? The answer to all these questions is no.
This is what it is. Back door politics. Dirty tactics. And thats that.

[56S]

Maybe I'm just too careful what I say or write.  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel

[Booger]

Maybe I'm just too careful what I say or write.  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel

Oh it is so difficult.



LOL Pretty soon I am going to:

 

[hutnicks]

 

Where'd you get that kaboom emoticon? I click on more here and get nothing.

 

[Booger]

Where'd you get that kaboom emoticon? I click on more here and get nothing.

 

just copy and paste it to word and you will have it when needed

[hutnicks]

Where'd you get that kaboom emoticon? I click on more here and get nothing.

 

just copy and paste it to word and you will have it when needed

Got it. Had to do an edit and save thing though. Thanks.
See these threads can be useful

[airgunrebel]

The new air gun law in Canada requiring airguns to be treated like firearms will be interesting on sales in Canada.

[MikieG]

Seems like gun laws in the US are swaying towards common sense  while Canadians are heading down the idiocy path?
Even the state of Michigan recently came to their senses on the airgun topic.

[ptpalpha]

"Even the state of Michigan"?
Good heavens...when did that happen?
-Paul

[hutnicks]

Seems like gun laws in the US are swaying towards common sense  while Canadians are heading down the idiocy path?
Even the state of Michigan recently came to their senses on the airgun topic.

Heading? We've been in bonehead mode since the introduction of the original FAC. This latest go round is not so much impacting airguns as a legal kludge aimed at enabling the law to prosecute people who use airsoft guns in the commission of crimes.  The fallout will remain to be seen.

[gg51]

Seems like gun laws in the US are swaying towards common sense  while Canadians are heading down the idiocy path?
Even the state of Michigan recently came to their senses on the airgun topic.

Heading? We've been in bonehead mode since the introduction of the original FAC. This latest go round is not so much impacting airguns as a legal kludge aimed at enabling the law to prosecute people who use airsoft guns in the commission of crimes.  The fallout will remain to be seen.

I'm sure I must be mis-reading this, but why would prosecuting people who commit a crime with an airsoft gun be more or less onerous than just prosecuting people who commit a crime without a toy gun?

[hutnicks]

Huge difference in penalty for using a firearm in the commission of a crime. By enabling an airsoft gun to be classified as a firearm if it is used in a crime the penalty therefore increases instantly and the argument about it being a toy is removed as a defense.

[gg51]

Huge difference in penalty for using a firearm in the commission of a crime. By enabling an airsoft gun to be classified as a firearm if it is used in a crime the penalty therefore increases instantly and the argument about it being a toy is removed as a defense.

Ok, so a criminal with an airsoft should get a lighter sentence?  Or should there be classifications of felonies by FPE?  To me, threatening someone with a weapon, who by the by, probably doesn't know betwixt an airsoft and a howitzer, which is why you as a criminal are robbing them, unless you are congenitally stupid, is the point.

[Booger]

Huge difference in penalty for using a firearm in the commission of a crime. By enabling an airsoft gun to be classified as a firearm if it is used in a crime the penalty therefore increases instantly and the argument about it being a toy is removed as a defense.

Ok, so a criminal with an airsoft should get a lighter sentence?  Or should there be classifications of felonies by FPE?  To me, threatening someone with a weapon, who by the by, probably doesn't know betwixt an airsoft and a howitzer, which is why you as a criminal are robbing them, unless you are congenitally stupid, is the point.

This is off topic from the thread, but we all know our justice system is all about the dollar bill. You only get as much justice as you can afford. That being said, if you rob someone the crime might be a Class C felony, if you do it with a air soft gun it makes it a Class B felony. Class B makes more money for the state than Class C.

So back to my original statement that applies also to the OP, it is all about the dollar bill. It is what it is.

[hutnicks]

Huge difference in penalty for using a firearm in the commission of a crime. By enabling an airsoft gun to be classified as a firearm if it is used in a crime the penalty therefore increases instantly and the argument about it being a toy is removed as a defense.

Ok, so a criminal with an airsoft should get a lighter sentence?  Or should there be classifications of felonies by FPE?  To me, threatening someone with a weapon, who by the by, probably doesn't know betwixt an airsoft and a howitzer, which is why you as a criminal are robbing them, unless you are congenitally stupid, is the point.

No No, You misunderstand. The point is that the criminal with the airsoft is now being treated as having a firearm. He gets the full monty.

Booger is right though. We are straying, and into pollyticks no less

[grauhanen]

The new air gun law in Canada requiring airguns to be treated like firearms will be interesting on sales in Canada.

This is not any new law.  Nothing's changed with regard to airgun law in Canada.  A sub-500 fps airgun still does not require a Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) to buy.  Above 500 fps still requires a PAL.  If you use either airgun in the commission of a crime, you would be treated as though you had used a powder burning firearm.