Update: Specialty Shooting Sports bullied to stop cross US/Canada border sales

[tomykay12]

Speaking of dollars, and back on topic, the recent success of the EBR put on by THE WESTERN VENDOR shows the competitive airgun community really does not give a hoot about THE WESTERN VENDOR's business practices. They are buyers of high end airguns and an important customer base of THE WESTERN VENDOR, and other vendors. An opportunity to make an impact was lost.

[ptpalpha]

And still no response from Weihrauch.  Looks like they plan on hunkering down and doing nothing, hoping the whole issue just fades away.
It's looking like that's exactly what's going to happen, too.
That's a shame.  I was planning on being a life-long customer of HW...looks like I'll be getting the new Walther and forgetting about my R9 project.
Well, all we can do is what we can do.  What I'm going to do is choose not to give my money to one manufacturer and one distributer/dealer.

[ancient1one]

What I'm going to do is choose not to give my money to one manufacturer and one distributer/dealer.

Your not alone I will not be giving a dime to either going forward. Both manufacturer and distributor/dealer took a hit for sure. The dealer took a bigger hit and lost some of us for ever..

I wonder if it was worth it and if they could do it over again would they? Bet the manufacturer would like a do over..

[dv8eod]

What I'm going to do is choose not to give my money to one manufacturer and one distributer/dealer.

Your not alone I will not be giving a dime to either going forward. Both manufacturer and distributor/dealer took a hit for sure. The dealer took a bigger hit and lost some of us for ever..

I wonder if it was worth it and if they could do it over again would they? Bet the manufacturer would like a do over..

In all honesty and fairness, this is just a small speed bump.  The truth is, the number of new customers will always outnumber the repeat customers.  Most of them probably haven't even heard of this thread or are aware of the ongoing dispute.  And even if they did, would they care.  In a couple of months, it will all blow over and back to business as usual.
 
Discussing it here, while might be therapeutic, is in reality equivocal to beating a dead horse.  Keep in mind I don't hold a position either way on this as I have not/do not do business with either of the companies or the manufacturer.

[Booger]

What I'm going to do is choose not to give my money to one manufacturer and one distributer/dealer.

Your not alone I will not be giving a dime to either going forward. Both manufacturer and distributor/dealer took a hit for sure. The dealer took a bigger hit and lost some of us for ever..

I wonder if it was worth it and if they could do it over again would they? Bet the manufacturer would like a do over..

In all honesty and fairness, this is just a small speed bump.  The truth is, the number of new customers will always outnumber the repeat customers.  Most of them probably haven't even heard of this thread or are aware of the ongoing dispute.  And even if they did, would they care.  In a couple of months, it will all blow over and back to business as usual.
 
Discussing it here, while might be therapeutic, is in reality equivocal to beating a dead horse.  Keep in mind I don't hold a position either way on this as I have not/do not do business with either of the companies or the manufacturer.

+1 we are such a small group it makes no difference at all. They will still get their bottom line (both companies).

[hutnicks]

What I'm going to do is choose not to give my money to one manufacturer and one distributer/dealer.

Your not alone I will not be giving a dime to either going forward. Both manufacturer and distributor/dealer took a hit for sure. The dealer took a bigger hit and lost some of us for ever..

I wonder if it was worth it and if they could do it over again would they? Bet the manufacturer would like a do over..

In all honesty and fairness, this is just a small speed bump.  The truth is, the number of new customers will always outnumber the repeat customers.  Most of them probably haven't even heard of this thread or are aware of the ongoing dispute.  And even if they did, would they care.  In a couple of months, it will all blow over and back to business as usual.
 
Discussing it here, while might be therapeutic, is in reality equivocal to beating a dead horse.  Keep in mind I don't hold a position either way on this as I have not/do not do business with either of the companies or the manufacturer.

+1 we are such a small group it makes no difference at all. They will still get their bottom line (both companies).

+2

 The reality is any response other than what you would normally do is allowing others to take control of your actions. The only decision you actually get to make is who is defining what you do. Not enough info here or anywhere else to make a rational decision on that.

This ones for you booger:)

[TOM aka critter99]

I would suggest 30 days and resend your letters mine went in 7 Nov they don't move real quick in Europe.

In the past I have always received a  written hard copy reply from HW dont assume they blew us off just yet  ... I know Hans does value repeat customers

Its a business fact its cheaper to retain one existing customer than to spend marketing costs to attract one new customer

[grauhanen]

What I'm going to do is choose not to give my money to one manufacturer and one distributer/dealer.

Your not alone I will not be giving a dime to either going forward. Both manufacturer and distributor/dealer took a hit for sure. The dealer took a bigger hit and lost some of us for ever..

I wonder if it was worth it and if they could do it over again would they? Bet the manufacturer would like a do over..

In all honesty and fairness, this is just a small speed bump.  The truth is, the number of new customers will always outnumber the repeat customers.  Most of them probably haven't even heard of this thread or are aware of the ongoing dispute.  And even if they did, would they care.  In a couple of months, it will all blow over and back to business as usual.
 
Discussing it here, while might be therapeutic, is in reality equivocal to beating a dead horse.  Keep in mind I don't hold a position either way on this as I have not/do not do business with either of the companies or the manufacturer.

+1 we are such a small group it makes no difference at all. They will still get their bottom line (both companies).

+2

 The reality is any response other than what you would normally do is allowing others to take control of your actions. The only decision you actually get to make is who is defining what you do. Not enough info here or anywhere else to make a rational decision on that.

This ones for you booger:)

I am a bit surprised by the defeatism exhibited by some of the recent posts on this thread.  I didn't think that American airgunners would concede defeat so easily.  Weihrauch is a large airgun company and as such will not react quickly to this kind of situation.  It's in the interests of the company to wait to see where the dust begins to settle before moving on the problem.  If this issue is important, and it should be, concerned airgunners should not throw in the towel and say there's nothing more that can be done.  A sustained effort is required.  Few battles are won quickly and easily.

[MikieG]

The defeatist position likely comes from a person that is not truly committed to this effort. It is a way to justify doing business with the devil.

[ptpalpha]

The defeatist position likely comes from a person that is not truly committed to this effort. It is a way to justify doing business with the devil.

I respectfully disagree with (and quite honestly don't see any logic in) this post.  While I certainly concede that the last few comments exhibit a level of defeatism, I don't see any connection between that and a desire to do business with either the manufacturer or distributer (whom I assume are the "devil" implied in your post).
That notwithstanding, the suggestion to begin a second wave of emails to Weihrauch is a good one, and I'll definately contribute.
I remain disappointed that to date there has been no response from HW, and the "things take longer in Europe" and "big companies don't move quickly" arguments hold no water with me.  What happened quite simply is wrong, and fixing it quickly should be a high priority if a company values it's customers and reputation. 
We're entering the most profitable retail month of the year, and giving your customers a reason to shop elsewhere is simply bad business.

[palonej]

Han W answered my e mail about a new 98 I sent in about 2 weeks......a week after that I received an HW cap and a letter of thanks.
I got the standard response to my latest e mail, in regards to AOA, nothing for a month.
Sent another this morning.

[ptpalpha]

I sent another one this morning too. 
Somehow I don't think I'll be receiving a free hat.

[TOM aka critter99]

Guys  I sent my follow up as well I was mistaken my original one was sent 31 Oct 2014

[TOM aka critter99]

Did anybody ever get a real reply from HW

[grauhanen]

You'd think that someone would have reported a response from Weihrauch.

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

[William]

Not that I really want to say anything at all, but not one person here has explained what all the excitement is about, all I get out of the whole thread here is somebody is mad a somebody for some reason! I guess due to selling items across the border at lower prices and bad customer service or something, you know if you want someone to jump in on the bandwagon, the first note should be an explanation as to why they should!

Who knows maybe I missed something,

William