If it was me (which it was a couple months ago) I would take a serious look at either the Kalibrgun Carbine or Bullpup depending on whether you like traditional rifle styling or the "trendy" bullpup design. These guns are on another level from the ones you mentioned (Mrod, Hatsan) and will best them in just about every category: accuracy, efficiency, build quality, ect. But remember this better quality and performance does not come for free and you will pay a premium for it. But in my opinion after owning 5 other low to mid range PCP's and selling them all that it is worth it to "bite the bullet" and buy quality the first time, but based on your OP I assume that you already know that My KG BP in .25 cal is a tack driver, it will print 3/8" groups at 50 yards consistently and about 1" at 100 yards, now I'm not saying that a person who has never shot before can pick it up and nail a 1" spinner at 150 yards the first shot but merely the features of the gun (CZ cold hammer-forged barrel, extreme shot to shot consistency ect.) set you up for success. But do not take my word for it, talk is cheap and "internet commandos" can blab all day about their Daisy that shoots sub moa, just do some digging around the net and you will see why these guns have such a following...Now here is my opinion on why the Kalibr line has the FX500 and just about any other .25 cal PCP beat: Efficiency, accuracy amongst the high end guns is all pretty similar as at that stage the shooter matters alot more than the gun, but based on Jim C.'s review that is posted on AOA's FX500 page the particular 500 he tested (unregulated) got 58 shots with a ES of 78 fps at a avg. velocity of 825 fps, keep that in mind. Being that the KG line is regged it would only be fair to compare a regged FX500, so I looked up a review on one of those here: http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=230246Based on that review his regged 500 filled to 218 bar produced about 76 shots within a reasonable spread of 30 fps and a avg velocity of 871, not bad at all.In contrast my .25 Kalibrgun BP at it's current reg setting of 120 bar and starting at 210 bar will produce 50 shots on the reg at a avg velocity of 940 fps, a es of about 10-12 fps, and a SD of 1-3. Now you might be thinking that is less than the Royale but remember the velocity of the Kalibrgun is 940 (considerably faster than the royale, therefore consuming more air) ANDDD the KG .25 has a reservoir volume of only 330cc's compared to the royale 500cc's which means it needs less air to be recharged and your SCBA tank will stay full longer or you will not need to pump as much. Now when I lowered my reg pressure to 110 bar and the speed to 900 fps I was getting 60 shots on the reg, if I was to lower it's speed even further to match that of the Royale's(850ish fps) I am sure I would have no problem achieving 70-80 regged shots all off of the 330cc cylinder. The only other production guns I have seen that match this kind of efficiency would be the Edgun Matadors...So that's my monologue, I hope I have enlightened you to some degree and hopefully helped you in your upcoming decision. Let us know what you decide on, cheers......
Quote from: Nomadic Pirate on July 31, 2014, 08:20:32 PMIf I was to buy such a gun I would find it extremely hard to look past the Cricket Carbine or BullPup Didn't you say on the yellow that you would take a bobcat over a cricket?
If I was to buy such a gun I would find it extremely hard to look past the Cricket Carbine or BullPup
Quote from: AirgunHunter on August 01, 2014, 07:01:31 AMQuote from: Nomadic Pirate on July 31, 2014, 08:20:32 PMIf I was to buy such a gun I would find it extremely hard to look past the Cricket Carbine or BullPup Didn't you say on the yellow that you would take a bobcat over a cricket?Not I, got me confused with someone else, never been an FX fan I shot my friend's .30 Bobcat and it's not even a Bullpup, I'm not a huge fan of FX guns, they seem very accurate with JSB but that's all they like, I prefer guns that aren't that pellet dependant
Quote from: Nomadic Pirate on August 01, 2014, 07:37:42 AMQuote from: AirgunHunter on August 01, 2014, 07:01:31 AMQuote from: Nomadic Pirate on July 31, 2014, 08:20:32 PMIf I was to buy such a gun I would find it extremely hard to look past the Cricket Carbine or BullPup Didn't you say on the yellow that you would take a bobcat over a cricket?Not I, got me confused with someone else, never been an FX fan I shot my friend's .30 Bobcat and it's not even a Bullpup, I'm not a huge fan of FX guns, they seem very accurate with JSB but that's all they like, I prefer guns that aren't that pellet dependant http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1387409683/As+promised...pics+of+my+new+Bobcat+.25+--)++Ain't+she+beautiful!
Quote from: AirgunHunter on August 01, 2014, 08:12:30 AMQuote from: Nomadic Pirate on August 01, 2014, 07:37:42 AMQuote from: AirgunHunter on August 01, 2014, 07:01:31 AMQuote from: Nomadic Pirate on July 31, 2014, 08:20:32 PMIf I was to buy such a gun I would find it extremely hard to look past the Cricket Carbine or BullPup Didn't you say on the yellow that you would take a bobcat over a cricket?Not I, got me confused with someone else, never been an FX fan I shot my friend's .30 Bobcat and it's not even a Bullpup, I'm not a huge fan of FX guns, they seem very accurate with JSB but that's all they like, I prefer guns that aren't that pellet dependant http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1387409683/As+promised...pics+of+my+new+Bobcat+.25+--)++Ain't+she+beautiful!PS the shoot count is not high, My friend nappyman has one, I shot it and is a very nice gun, but if you are looking for shot count that is not it. You might want to IM him and ask about it..Its an awesome gun he takes GS 100+ yards on our hunts..
What about an FX Independence in .25?They're not listed on the AoA site but I know you can order them...You can recharge to the sweet spot and NEVER run out of air in the field!Just a thought...
Quote from: CarsonRatSniper on July 31, 2014, 06:44:59 PMWhat about an FX Independence in .25?They're not listed on the AoA site but I know you can order them...You can recharge to the sweet spot and NEVER run out of air in the field!Just a thought...AOA does indeed carry the Independence though it's listed under the FX guns as the "Indy". The .25 version goes for $1995.If you really want a High End .25 caliber airgun, then you just can't beat DayState. The quality and workmanship is 2nd to none. At the moment, the DayState Air Ranger .25 @ 50 FPE is on sale for $1795. DayState also makes the Regal XL in .25 cal which is also on sale for $1295. That Regal XL only weighs 7.05 lbs, has a gorgeous wood stock, and is aimed at users who hunt. If money is no object, then go with the DayState Air Ranger Extreme .25 @ 80 FPE for $2598. Straight Shooters also sells the DayState Air Ranger .25 @ 50 FPE and they are currently offering FREE shipping with the purchase of the gun. That's a heck of a deal.If you purchase a DayState from AOA, you can always ask them to tune the energy up or down. I will note that I have a .30 FX Bobcat and I haven't found it to be pellet fussy at all. I have tried 2 of the 3 pellets available in .30 caliber (the FX 46.30 grain and JSB 44.75 grain) and they shoot extremely well. The only pellet I have yet to try is the heavier JSB 50.15 grain pellet so I can't comment on those (DayState sells the Emperor .303 50.15 grain pellets which are exactly the same as the JSB 50.15 grain pellets as far as I can tell).Hope that helps.Scott○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●●●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●●●○●○◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◆◇◆◇◆◆◇◆◇◆◆◆◇○●○●○●○●○●○●●◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆Scott, I have to agree, $1, 800 for a Daystate Air Ranger mechanical is a sensible, highest of the high end, in that price range. The resale are well known ☆☆☆☆good investments★★★★Isn't that the gun that Kip from AOA just won the 50 yard BR a few months ago., Bone stock AOA claims. I want to thank you for that. That might very well be my Christmas present to ME ME ME ME, LOL.
Quote from: travels4fun on August 01, 2014, 05:41:23 PMQuote from: CarsonRatSniper on July 31, 2014, 06:44:59 PMWhat about an FX Independence in .25?They're not listed on the AoA site but I know you can order them...You can recharge to the sweet spot and NEVER run out of air in the field!Just a thought...AOA does indeed carry the Independence though it's listed under the FX guns as the "Indy". The .25 version goes for $1995.If you really want a High End .25 caliber airgun, then you just can't beat DayState. The quality and workmanship is 2nd to none. At the moment, the DayState Air Ranger .25 @ 50 FPE is on sale for $1795. DayState also makes the Regal XL in .25 cal which is also on sale for $1295. That Regal XL only weighs 7.05 lbs, has a gorgeous wood stock, and is aimed at users who hunt. If money is no object, then go with the DayState Air Ranger Extreme .25 @ 80 FPE for $2598. Straight Shooters also sells the DayState Air Ranger .25 @ 50 FPE and they are currently offering FREE shipping with the purchase of the gun. That's a heck of a deal.If you purchase a DayState from AOA, you can always ask them to tune the energy up or down. I will note that I have a .30 FX Bobcat and I haven't found it to be pellet fussy at all. I have tried 2 of the 3 pellets available in .30 caliber (the FX 46.30 grain and JSB 44.75 grain) and they shoot extremely well. The only pellet I have yet to try is the heavier JSB 50.15 grain pellet so I can't comment on those (DayState sells the Emperor .303 50.15 grain pellets which are exactly the same as the JSB 50.15 grain pellets as far as I can tell).Hope that helps.Scott○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●●●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●●●○●○◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◆◇◆◇◆◆◇◆◇◆◆◆◇○●○●○●○●○●○●●◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆Scott, I have to agree, $1, 800 for a Daystate Air Ranger mechanical is a sensible, highest of the high end, in that price range. The resale are well known ☆☆☆☆good investments★★★★Isn't that the gun that Kip from AOA just won the 50 yard BR a few months ago., Bone stock AOA claims. I want to thank you for that. That might very well be my Christmas present to ME ME ME ME, LOL.
I shot some groups for you this morning with my .25 cricket in a attempt to "qualify" my previous statements . I set a old cereal box out at aprox. 100 yards. The wind felt nearly non existent but when shooting I could see the heat waves gently shifting from left to right, so while conditions were not perfect they were good enough. I shot two groups, first one was 5 shots and the second one was 4. After I brought the target in I set a box out at the same place the target was to give a perspective from my bench and a view through the laser range-finder. The dot next to the red arrow is the target:And here is the first group of 5:And the second of 4:And here are both of them with a tape measure for reference:The first one was about 1 and 1/8" ctc and the second was about 7/8" ctc. So you can average them out to 1". Hope this helps cheers
Good afternoon gentlemen,May I suggest that we who wish to establish bragging rights, (which I am sure is most of us) that from here on out we use the same target.The link I post here is the offical Extreme Bench Rest target for Arizona event. The use of targets made from old CDs to now, ceral boxes, lacks uniformity for positive comparison. I think that owners of $1500 plus rifles can surely afford to print out a few offical targets. They use a 1/2" 10 spot center and of course drop off on 1/2" rings downwards, 9 8 7 6. If we are all on the same target, it not only makes sense, but offers a "REALISTIC" way to compare our shooting with that of the top US and International competitors. If this does not make sense then my ideas therefore sux. However, if it seems reasonable why dont we try it. I dont currently own a gun in that price category but for those of us in the lower price range, we can still compare our rifles with the big boys.Simply follow down the page a bit until you see targets and stop and print it out. They are Adobe PFD format, which even my phone can read and bluetooth to a printer.http://www.extremebenchrest.com/extreme-benchrest-rules/ Also (2013 Results) this link there is a comprehensive list of the Pro and Sportsman class E B.R. shooters, their rifles and their glass. The top 10 were all Daystate and FX and a Mac 1. A Cricket at 11th shows promise.You may wish to take note that an M-Rod edged out the other Cricket for 2nd to last. Now I realize that was an older Cricket but I am guessing it was also an older $550 Maurder, that of course was most likely highly modified? What that list told me was it is good to be an FX a Daystate in 2013. A new match is coming soon and I for one am curious to see who has what it takes this year?Be Well, Gator
Well I have came to the conclusion that I am not going to get what I want out of a lower end pcp(marauder or bt65) and will just end up dumping a bunch money into it.So I wanted your opinions on what higher end .25 I should get?I am considering the fx bobcat,royale 500,kalibr cricket tactical .25,or possibly a daystate air ranger tactical 50 fpe model.The biggest reason I want the gun is to take pigeons out at long range exceeding 100 yards.It will also be nice to have for jack rabbit and ground squirrel.Anyways lmk what you guys think!The biggest factors for me is shot count and long rance accuracy.
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