Best high end .25?

[AirgunHunter]

Well I have came to the conclusion that I am not going to get what I want out of a lower end pcp(marauder or bt65) and will just end up dumping a bunch money into it.So I wanted your opinions on what higher end .25 I should get?I am considering the fx bobcat,royale 500,kalibr cricket tactical .25,or possibly a daystate air ranger tactical 50 fpe model.The biggest reason I want the gun is to take pigeons out at long range exceeding 100 yards.It will also be nice to have for jack rabbit and ground squirrel.Anyways lmk what you guys think!The biggest factors for me is shot count and long rance accuracy.

[grobe1458]

I myself would personally go with a fx royale 500 or daystate.
the bullpups are just as fine if you like bullpups. but me, the two mentioned.

[CarsonRatSniper]

I've hunted pigeons and big desert jacks with an air gun for a long time when I lived in Carson City, NV.
I used my 35 ft lb 2260 quite successfully out past 100 yards but my typical shooting distances were 50-75 yards.
The 21.14 grain Kodiak's were my 'go to' pellet.

My point in all this is you would be well served by 25.39 grain Kings in .25 caliber in the 900 fps range.

I have zero experience with the high end stuff but I would likely pick an FX Royale 500 - FX seems to have insanely efficient guns that gives a large number of shots.
My only hesitation is those smooth twist barrels but the reports seems to be good - I prefer a traditionally rifled barrel so I have the option of slugs...but that should make sense as I manufacture 25 cal slugs for air guns!

I wouldn't discount a .25 Sumatra 500cc tuned by Will Piatt - I'm going to have one tuned by him and have a TJ's 1:14 twist barrel installed.

You can vary your power and shoot at nice low power with a huge number of shots or get 6 shots @ 100 ft lbs with slugs. You don't need the TJ 1:14 barrel for slugs but I've had great accuracy (3/8" @ 75 yards) pushing Kings at 1020 fps out of my .25 Challenger with a TJ barrel.

If you want in on the 'owners club' (and I don't blame you!) my pick would be the FX Royale 500.

[AirgunHunter]

I am kinda on the edge with pups as well but the bobcat seems like an exception.I wad told that the bobcat is basically just a royale thrown in a bullpup stock.I like the fact that it is much shorter than the royale guns as well.

[Bwalton]

I am kinda on the edge with pups as well but the bobcat seems like an exception.I wad told that the bobcat is basically just a royale thrown in a bullpup stock.I like the fact that it is much shorter than the royale guns as well.

Im confused The BT65 does 100+ with ease? I have not tried my AT44-10 on a GS @ 100+ as of yet, but hitting a target @ 108yards was like clock work..... and I take out GS @ 80 yards all day long..

[Bwalton]

Well I have came to the conclusion that I am not going to get what I want out of a lower end pcp(marauder or bt65) and will just end up dumping a bunch money into it.So I wanted your opinions on what higher end .25 I should get?I am considering the fx bobcat,royale 500,kalibr cricket tactical .25,or possibly a daystate air ranger tactical 50 fpe model.The biggest reason I want the gun is to take pigeons out at long range exceeding 100 yards.It will also be nice to have for jack rabbit and ground squirrel.Anyways lmk what you guys think!The biggest factors for me is shot count and long rance accuracy.

The gun can only do so much you have to have the skills for that, I hunt with guys that have the Bob cat and the Mrod and Myself the Hatsan and the Mrod does 100+ on GS all Day so does the Bobcat and the Hatsan......I have not dump any money into it except a TKO...If you think that you cant make those shots with those guns you are mistaken..

[AirgunHunter]

Well I have came to the conclusion that I am not going to get what I want out of a lower end pcp(marauder or bt65) and will just end up dumping a bunch money into it.So I wanted your opinions on what higher end .25 I should get?I am considering the fx bobcat,royale 500,kalibr cricket tactical .25,or possibly a daystate air ranger tactical 50 fpe model.The biggest reason I want the gun is to take pigeons out at long range exceeding 100 yards.It will also be nice to have for jack rabbit and ground squirrel.Anyways lmk what you guys think!The biggest factors for me is shot count and long rance accuracy.

The gun can only do so much you have to have the skills for that, I hunt with guys that have the Bob cat and the Mrod and Myself the Hatsan and the Mrod does 100+ on GS all Day so does the Bobcat and the Hatsan......I have not dump any money into it except a TKO...If you think that you cant make those shots with those guns you are mistaken..

It is the shot count I am worried about.I have shot the bt65 numerous times and is is a great gun but also an air hog.I also want a low extreme spread(minimal flyers etc).I have taken pigeons at 90yds with my discovery but is it ideal,probably shouldn't make a habit of it.

[AirgunHunter]

The truth is I am a very fanatical person LOL.

[Bwalton]

Well I have came to the conclusion that I am not going to get what I want out of a lower end pcp(marauder or bt65) and will just end up dumping a bunch money into it.So I wanted your opinions on what higher end .25 I should get?I am considering the fx bobcat,royale 500,kalibr cricket tactical .25,or possibly a daystate air ranger tactical 50 fpe model.The biggest reason I want the gun is to take pigeons out at long range exceeding 100 yards.It will also be nice to have for jack rabbit and ground squirrel.Anyways lmk what you guys think!The biggest factors for me is shot count and long rance accuracy.

The gun can only do so much you have to have the skills for that, I hunt with guys that have the Bob cat and the Mrod and Myself the Hatsan and the Mrod does 100+ on GS all Day so does the Bobcat and the Hatsan......I have not dump any money into it except a TKO...If you think that you cant make those shots with those guns you are mistaken..

It is the shot count I am worried about.I have shot the bt65 numerous times and is is a great gun but also an air hog.I also want a low extreme spread(minimal flyers etc).I have taken pigeons at 90yds with my discovery but is it ideal,probably shouldn't make a habit of it.

My ES is 12 stock, with a reg its 9, was not worth the reg for a es of 3..... as far as shot count. I only need a high shot count if im shooting targets which I dont do. when im in the field hunting it is rare that I kill over 30 GS or Birds a trip, But I wish you well , you you should have a gun that you are happy with Its about how you tune your gun, those guns come regulated maybe.

[AirgunHunter]

Well I have came to the conclusion that I am not going to get what I want out of a lower end pcp(marauder or bt65) and will just end up dumping a bunch money into it.So I wanted your opinions on what higher end .25 I should get?I am considering the fx bobcat,royale 500,kalibr cricket tactical .25,or possibly a daystate air ranger tactical 50 fpe model.The biggest reason I want the gun is to take pigeons out at long range exceeding 100 yards.It will also be nice to have for jack rabbit and ground squirrel.Anyways lmk what you guys think!The biggest factors for me is shot count and long rance accuracy.

The gun can only do so much you have to have the skills for that, I hunt with guys that have the Bob cat and the Mrod and Myself the Hatsan and the Mrod does 100+ on GS all Day so does the Bobcat and the Hatsan......I have not dump any money into it except a TKO...If you think that you cant make those shots with those guns you are mistaken..

It is the shot count I am worried about.I have shot the bt65 numerous times and is is a great gun but also an air hog.I also want a low extreme spread(minimal flyers etc).I have taken pigeons at 90yds with my discovery but is it ideal,probably shouldn't make a habit of it.

My ES is 12 stock, with a reg its 9, was not worth the reg for a es of 3..... as far as shot count. I only need a high shot count if im shooting targets which I dont do. when im in the field hunting it is rare that I kill over 30 GS or Birds a trip, But I wish you well , you you should have a gun that you are happy with Its about how you tune your gun, those guns come regulated maybe.

12 ES really?That is super good for a 65!My buddys was getting like 18 or 20.The only reason I like a high shot count is because the hunting I do can exceed for hours at a time and I also tend to walk long distances and if I do run out of shots I am screwed.Plus it is nice to know you have it there if you need it.

[Bwalton]

Well I have came to the conclusion that I am not going to get what I want out of a lower end pcp(marauder or bt65) and will just end up dumping a bunch money into it.So I wanted your opinions on what higher end .25 I should get?I am considering the fx bobcat,royale 500,kalibr cricket tactical .25,or possibly a daystate air ranger tactical 50 fpe model.The biggest reason I want the gun is to take pigeons out at long range exceeding 100 yards.It will also be nice to have for jack rabbit and ground squirrel.Anyways lmk what you guys think!The biggest factors for me is shot count and long rance accuracy.

The gun can only do so much you have to have the skills for that, I hunt with guys that have the Bob cat and the Mrod and Myself the Hatsan and the Mrod does 100+ on GS all Day so does the Bobcat and the Hatsan......I have not dump any money into it except a TKO...If you think that you cant make those shots with those guns you are mistaken..

It is the shot count I am worried about.I have shot the bt65 numerous times and is is a great gun but also an air hog.I also want a low extreme spread(minimal flyers etc).I have taken pigeons at 90yds with my discovery but is it ideal,probably shouldn't make a habit of it.

My ES is 12 stock, with a reg its 9, was not worth the reg for a es of 3..... as far as shot count. I only need a high shot count if im shooting targets which I dont do. when im in the field hunting it is rare that I kill over 30 GS or Birds a trip, But I wish you well , you you should have a gun that you are happy with Its about how you tune your gun, those guns come regulated maybe.

12 ES really?That is super good for a 65!My buddys was getting like 18 or 20.The only reason I like a high shot count is because the hunting I do can exceed for hours at a time and I also tend to walk long distances and if I do run out of shots I am screwed.Plus it is nice to know you have it there if you need it.

Its  on my AT44, but the same will go for the BT65, Its all in the tune.... I will do the valve tune, then with a chrono adjust the hammer spring to the flattest curve you can get... pay attention to the fill pressure during the string and mark where it is for the lowest Es and fill from there every time. and you will get good groups.

[CarsonRatSniper]

What about an FX Independence in .25?
They're not listed on the AoA site but I know you can order them...
You can recharge to the sweet spot and NEVER run out of air in the field!

Just a thought...

[AirgunHunter]

What about an FX Independence in .25?
They're not listed on the AoA site but I know you can order them...
You can recharge to the sweet spot and NEVER run out of air in the field!

Just a thought...

Didn't actually think about that.I am going to consider that for sure!Thanks for bringing it up!

[Gtownjake]

What about an FX Independence in .25?
They're not listed on the AoA site but I know you can order them...
You can recharge to the sweet spot and NEVER run out of air in the field!

Just a thought...

Didn't actually think about that.I am going to consider that for sure!Thanks for bringing it up!

They also make the Independence  in a bull-pup design called, appropriately enough, the Indy.

The Indy


The Independence

[Nomadic Pirate]

If I was to buy such a gun I would find it extremely hard to look past the Cricket Carbine or BullPup

[Motorhead]

Rapid Air Weapons HM1000X

Hand made in the USA Americanized Theoben with power and class !!

[Gatorproof]

I am kinda on the edge with pups as well but the bobcat seems like an exception.I wad told that the bobcat is basically just a royale thrown in a bullpup stock.I like the fact that it is much shorter than the royale guns as well.

Ole Ted sure gets a lot of birds with his Bobcat. That kid can shoot,  the amazing thing to me is, he does it thru that scope cam.

Be Well,
Gator

[Gatorproof]

Well I have came to the conclusion that I am not going to get what I want out of a lower end pcp(marauder or bt65) and will just end up dumping a bunch money into it.So I wanted your opinions on what higher end .25 I should get?I am considering the fx bobcat,royale 500,kalibr cricket tactical .25,or possibly a daystate air ranger tactical 50 fpe model.The biggest reason I want the gun is to take pigeons out at long range exceeding 100 yards.It will also be nice to have for jack rabbit and ground squirrel.Anyways lmk what you guys think!The biggest factors for me is shot count and long rance accuracy.

The gun can only do so much you have to have the skills for that, I hunt with guys that have the Bob cat and the Mrod and Myself the Hatsan and the Mrod does 100+ on GS all Day so does the Bobcat and the Hatsan......I have not dump any money into it except a TKO...If you think that you cant make those shots with those guns you are mistaken..

It is the shot count I am worried about.I have shot the bt65 numerous times and is is a great gun but also an air hog.I also want a low extreme spread(minimal flyers etc).I have taken pigeons at 90yds with my discovery but is it ideal,probably shouldn't make a habit of it.

BT is an air hog, 27 shots on mine.

However, my Galation sips air. 76 shots per fill. Here is something that seems weird (to me at least, being a rookie and all)
But this week, I cronied both the new refurb BT and the Galation both in .25.

First shot in first string  814 fps, last shot at 39, in third string read 861. (Clips hold 13 rounds ) I filled off my blue tank that was down to 180 bar. When I counted out at 39 shots I had 120 bar left in the tank. ◇◆◇◆kind of like it has an INVISABLE regulator.◇◆◇◆◇

She is just breaking in and log book shows 1257 pellets so far. Just before I sent back to Hatsan for warranty, I posted a target in my log book with a 13 shot (.25 ) ragged hole in the 10 zone at 30 yards, .270 ctc and .466. oto
So she is not a bad shooter.

It has what I image a higher end gun has. You can lift the side lever with your pinkie and slide it back with a push of the thumb. It has a very nice rubberized felling skin.  That shot gun style stock just fells right. I love it. Air Gun Depot had a kit price of $689.○●○●○●gun, case, sling, trigger lock, 3 clips, air stripper and an extra 255cc air cylinder (the sameone that sells for $169). It seemed like a lot of stuff so I rolled the dice and 3 days later I started smiling.

The End,
Gator

[pyroboy33]

If it was me (which it was a couple months ago) I would take a serious look at either the Kalibrgun Carbine or Bullpup depending on whether you like traditional rifle styling or the "trendy" bullpup design. These guns are on another level from the ones you mentioned (Mrod, Hatsan) and will best them in just about every category: accuracy, efficiency, build quality, ect. But remember this better quality and performance does not come for free and you will pay a premium for it. But in my opinion after owning 5 other low to mid range PCP's and selling them all that it is worth it to "bite the bullet" and buy quality the first time, but based on your OP I assume that you already know that 

My KG BP in .25 cal is a tack driver, it will print 3/8" groups at 50 yards consistently and about 1" at 100 yards, now I'm not saying that a person who has never shot before can pick it up and nail a 1" spinner at 150 yards the first shot but merely the features of the gun (CZ cold hammer-forged barrel, extreme shot to shot consistency ect.) set you up for success. But do not take my word for it, talk is cheap and "internet commandos" can blab all day about their Daisy that shoots sub moa, just do some digging around the net and you will see why these guns have such a following...

Now here is my opinion on why the Kalibr line has the FX500 and just about any other .25 cal PCP beat: Efficiency, accuracy amongst the high end guns is all pretty similar as at that stage the shooter matters alot more than the gun, but based on Jim C.'s review that is posted on AOA's FX500 page the particular 500 he tested (unregulated) got 58 shots with a ES of 78 fps at a avg. velocity of 825 fps, keep that in mind. Being that the KG line is regged it would only be fair to compare a regged FX500, so I looked up a review on one of those here: http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=230246Based on that review his regged 500 filled to 218 bar produced about 76 shots within a reasonable spread of 30 fps and a avg velocity of 871, not bad at all.

In contrast my .25 Kalibrgun BP at it's current reg setting of 120 bar and starting at 210 bar will produce 50 shots on the reg at a avg velocity of 940 fps, a es of about 10-12 fps, and a SD of 1-3. Now you might be thinking that is less than the Royale but remember the velocity of the Kalibrgun is 940 (considerably faster than the royale, therefore consuming more air) ANDDD the KG .25 has a reservoir volume of only 330cc's compared to the royale 500cc's which means it needs less air to be recharged and your SCBA tank will stay full longer or you will not need to pump as much. Now when I lowered my reg pressure to 110 bar and the speed to 900 fps I was getting 60 shots on the reg, if I was to lower it's speed even further to match that of the Royale's(850ish fps) I am sure I would have no problem achieving 70-80 regged shots all off of the 330cc cylinder. The only other production guns I have seen that match this kind of efficiency would be the Edgun Matadors...

So that's my monologue, I hope I have enlightened you to some degree and hopefully helped you in your upcoming decision. Let us know what you decide on, cheers......

[AirgunHunter]

If I was to buy such a gun I would find it extremely hard to look past the Cricket Carbine or BullPup

Didn't you say on the yellow that you would take a bobcat over a cricket?