Hello Bob,いいい《《《The Hatsan has an preload adjustment inside the hammer, but it's a simple stock mod (drill a small hole and file a groove) to make it externally adjustable, and like any PCP, having the ability to adjust the preload is, IMO, a necessity for tuning....》》》》》いいいBobIf you have explained that drill and file method, would you mind sharing. Possibly link me to the steps. Thank you sir,Be Well,Gator
The ability to handle heavy ammo depends on the FPE level the gun can develop.... There isn't a lot of point using 50 gr. bullets in a gun that won't shoot at least 90 FPE (IMO) as that is 900 fps with that weight.... I assume Manny is just saying the Sumatra can do that, I don't know I've never had one....Bob
It also depends on why your buying it if its mostly to punch paper i would go with somthing with a high shot count since your going to be hand pumping cause you dont want to pump the rifle up every 20 or so shots (trust me ive been there)If its for hunting i would recomend the sumatra 2500 500cc i just bought one from pyramid air and shes a beast if your just going to mosly punch paper i would recomend a m rod although you can certinly hunt with that too at the end of the day it really comes down to what will fit your needs and make you happy Happy and safe shooting!!!!
A .25 cal will drive a given weight of pellet/bullet more easily to a given velocity.... and punch a bigger hole I the target/game when it connects.... The limiting factor for power, assuming 950 fps, is 2 FPE per grains of projectile weight.... The bigger the caliber, the more potential FPE....Bob
Quote from: OleTomCat on July 19, 2014, 01:03:52 AMAfter you shoot the Big Nasty you may change your mind....It is a Hatsan BT65, spitting JSB Kings (25.4gr) at 1000 fps....Al,My dream gun as of late is the BT65 .25 Air-Rifle!As it is out of my price range, my other dream Air-Rifle is the AT44 in either wood stock or the Tactical model...in .25 of course! I would just have it tuned in hopes that it too could reach the mid to upper 900-fps range shooting 25-grain ammo!you've no idea how much I look forward to the first weekend of August! Respectfully,Al.
After you shoot the Big Nasty you may change your mind....It is a Hatsan BT65, spitting JSB Kings (25.4gr) at 1000 fps....
Quote from: rsterne on July 19, 2014, 12:11:03 PMI like my Hatsan AT-44 S-10 Long in .25 cal.... The only drawback is the lack of heavy, accurate ammo to take advantage of the power, I have to DETUNE it into the high 900s with 25 gr. Kings.... I'm hoping JSB's soon-to-be-released 34ish gr. version proves accurate, that will give me a 70 FPE hammer....Bob[/quoThe long at44 will hit over 900fps without a tune.
I like my Hatsan AT-44 S-10 Long in .25 cal.... The only drawback is the lack of heavy, accurate ammo to take advantage of the power, I have to DETUNE it into the high 900s with 25 gr. Kings.... I'm hoping JSB's soon-to-be-released 34ish gr. version proves accurate, that will give me a 70 FPE hammer....Bob[/quoThe long at44 will hit over 900fps without a tune.
Quote from: airgunwarriors on July 19, 2014, 01:23:59 AMQuote from: OleTomCat on July 19, 2014, 01:03:52 AMAfter you shoot the Big Nasty you may change your mind....It is a Hatsan BT65, spitting JSB Kings (25.4gr) at 1000 fps....Al,My dream gun as of late is the BT65 .25 Air-Rifle!As it is out of my price range, my other dream Air-Rifle is the AT44 in either wood stock or the Tactical model...in .25 of course! I would just have it tuned in hopes that it too could reach the mid to upper 900-fps range shooting 25-grain ammo!you've no idea how much I look forward to the first weekend of August! Respectfully,Al.I bought an at44 s10 long from Amazon for 355 and free shipping and bought the Tactical stock from Hatsan USA for 150 shipped . Drops right in. Now I have an at44 long tactical for cheaper than you could even get the regular at44 tactical from Pyramyd. It is a hammer for sure in .25.
jnagy, that depends on pellet weight, of course.... my numbers were with 25 gr.... The .25 cal AT44 long will easily exceed 900 stock with lighter pellets....Bob
Quote from: Laz on July 19, 2014, 03:54:03 PMTopic should be renamed ".25 Springer under $600" because any pcp .25 under $600 would blow any .25 springer out of the water.And lol. Saying the Sumatra as the most versatile .25 is highly subjective. I wonder how come you don't have one then Manny? Laz my man, I said many a times that if Sumatras came in .357 I would sell all my Storms and have one Sumatra carbine and one 500cc in .22 .25 and .357 Why is it the most versatile .25 ?well, it's a fast cycling 6 shooter lever action that can be powered way, way down and shoot the lightest .25 pellets in the 30 FPE range, than with the flick of a finger can be powered way up and shoot cast bullets at over 100 FPE, the barrels aren't pellet picky so you can shoot just about everything else in between at different power levels The barrels are threaded so you can go from LDC to bare barrel in a couple of seconds,...I say she's a pretty versatile rifle indeed
Topic should be renamed ".25 Springer under $600" because any pcp .25 under $600 would blow any .25 springer out of the water.And lol. Saying the Sumatra as the most versatile .25 is highly subjective. I wonder how come you don't have one then Manny?
Quote from: rsterne on July 20, 2014, 12:05:26 AMThe ability to handle heavy ammo depends on the FPE level the gun can develop.... There isn't a lot of point using 50 gr. bullets in a gun that won't shoot at least 90 FPE (IMO) as that is 900 fps with that weight.... I assume Manny is just saying the Sumatra can do that, I don't know I've never had one....BobThanks Bob,nervoustrigger and I were talking about what makes going bigger in caliber worth it, in reference to hunting the other night. Like if a .25 cannot increase the size of game you hunt or distance, why get one? Seems you'd be better off going up to a .357/9mm instead?Watched a video just now of a guy killing 2 hogs in S.C. with a .22 Sumatra using 32-grain ammo and the hogs dropped like rocks! My guess is that a a .22, 32-grain is no different than a .25, 32-grain?Here's a link to that video: Well, if a .22 can do that, why go .25? My guess is that the SumQuote from: airgunwarriors on July 20, 2014, 12:18:01 AMQuote from: rsterne on July 20, 2014, 12:05:26 AMThe ability to handle heavy ammo depends on the FPE level the gun can develop.... There isn't a lot of point using 50 gr. bullets in a gun that won't shoot at least 90 FPE (IMO) as that is 900 fps with that weight.... I assume Manny is just saying the Sumatra can do that, I don't know I've never had one....BobThanks Bob,nervoustrigger and I were talking about what makes going bigger in caliber worth it, in reference to hunting the other night. Like if a .25 cannot increase the size of game you hunt or distance, why get one? Seems you'd be better off going up to a .357/9mm instead?Watched a video just now of a guy killing 2 hogs in S.C. with a .22 Sumatra using 32-grain ammo and the hogs dropped like rocks! My guess is that a a .22, 32-grain is no different than a .25, 32-grain?Here's a link to that video: Well, if a .22 can do that, why go .25? My guess is that the Sumatra is not the only .22 PCP that is capable of doing what is seen in the video link above or is capable of slinging 32-grain ammo as effectively as the Sumatra?Quote from: airgunwarriors on July 20, 2014, 12:18:01 AMQuote from: rsterne on July 20, 2014, 12:05:26 AMThe ability to handle heavy ammo depends on the FPE level the gun can develop.... There isn't a lot of point using 50 gr. bullets in a gun that won't shoot at least 90 FPE (IMO) as that is 900 fps with that weight.... I assume Manny is just saying the Sumatra can do that, I don't know I've never had one....BobThanks Bob,nervoustrigger and I were talking about what makes going bigger in caliber worth it, in reference to hunting the other night. Like if a .25 cannot increase the size of game you hunt or distance, why get one? Seems you'd be better off going up to a .357/9mm instead?Watched a video just now of a guy killing 2 hogs in S.C. with a .22 Sumatra using 32-grain ammo and the hogs dropped like rocks! My guess is that a a .22, 32-grain is no different than a .25, 32-grain?Here's a link to that video: Well, if a .22 can do that, why go .25? My guess is that the Sumatra is not the only .22 PCP that is capable of doing what is seen in the video link above or is capable of slinging 32-grain ammo as effectively as the Sumatra?I truly want to step up to .25 caliber, but become hesitant when I see a .22 doing the same job a .25 can do.Really frustrating to say the least!I want an air-rifle with more balls...with ammo that looks and feels larger than what I currently have!Al.EDIT/ADD-ON: Even my FD-PCP can produce 43-fpe using heavy Eun-Jin ammo, although it is only like 6 or 7 shots, still not bad imho.EDIT/ADD-ON: Even my FD-PCP can produce 43-fpe using heavy Eun-Jin ammo, although it is only like 6 or 7 shots, still not bad imho.atra is not the only .22 PCP that is capable of doing what is seen in the video link above or is capable of slinging 32-grain ammo as effecEDIT/ADD-ON: Even my FD-PCP can produce 43-fpe using heavy Eun-Jin ammo, although it is only like 6 or 7 shots, still not bad imho.
Quote from: rsterne on July 20, 2014, 12:05:26 AMThe ability to handle heavy ammo depends on the FPE level the gun can develop.... There isn't a lot of point using 50 gr. bullets in a gun that won't shoot at least 90 FPE (IMO) as that is 900 fps with that weight.... I assume Manny is just saying the Sumatra can do that, I don't know I've never had one....BobThanks Bob,nervoustrigger and I were talking about what makes going bigger in caliber worth it, in reference to hunting the other night. Like if a .25 cannot increase the size of game you hunt or distance, why get one? Seems you'd be better off going up to a .357/9mm instead?Watched a video just now of a guy killing 2 hogs in S.C. with a .22 Sumatra using 32-grain ammo and the hogs dropped like rocks! My guess is that a a .22, 32-grain is no different than a .25, 32-grain?Here's a link to that video: Well, if a .22 can do that, why go .25? My guess is that the Sumatra is not the only .22 PCP that is capable of doing what is seen in the video link above or is capable of slinging 32-grain ammo as effectively as the Sumatra?Quote from: airgunwarriors on July 20, 2014, 12:18:01 AMQuote from: rsterne on July 20, 2014, 12:05:26 AMThe ability to handle heavy ammo depends on the FPE level the gun can develop.... There isn't a lot of point using 50 gr. bullets in a gun that won't shoot at least 90 FPE (IMO) as that is 900 fps with that weight.... I assume Manny is just saying the Sumatra can do that, I don't know I've never had one....BobThanks Bob,nervoustrigger and I were talking about what makes going bigger in caliber worth it, in reference to hunting the other night. Like if a .25 cannot increase the size of game you hunt or distance, why get one? Seems you'd be better off going up to a .357/9mm instead?Watched a video just now of a guy killing 2 hogs in S.C. with a .22 Sumatra using 32-grain ammo and the hogs dropped like rocks! My guess is that a a .22, 32-grain is no different than a .25, 32-grain?Here's a link to that video: Well, if a .22 can do that, why go .25? My guess is that the Sumatra is not the only .22 PCP that is capable of doing what is seen in the video link above or is capable of slinging 32-grain ammo as effectively as the Sumatra?I truly want to step up to .25 caliber, but become hesitant when I see a .22 doing the same job a .25 can do.Really frustrating to say the least!I want an air-rifle with more balls...with ammo that looks and feels larger than what I currently have!Al.EDIT/ADD-ON: Even my FD-PCP can produce 43-fpe using heavy Eun-Jin ammo, although it is only like 6 or 7 shots, still not bad imho.EDIT/ADD-ON: Even my FD-PCP can produce 43-fpe using heavy Eun-Jin ammo, although it is only like 6 or 7 shots, still not bad imho.
Quote from: rsterne on July 20, 2014, 12:05:26 AMThe ability to handle heavy ammo depends on the FPE level the gun can develop.... There isn't a lot of point using 50 gr. bullets in a gun that won't shoot at least 90 FPE (IMO) as that is 900 fps with that weight.... I assume Manny is just saying the Sumatra can do that, I don't know I've never had one....BobThanks Bob,nervoustrigger and I were talking about what makes going bigger in caliber worth it, in reference to hunting the other night. Like if a .25 cannot increase the size of game you hunt or distance, why get one? Seems you'd be better off going up to a .357/9mm instead?Watched a video just now of a guy killing 2 hogs in S.C. with a .22 Sumatra using 32-grain ammo and the hogs dropped like rocks! My guess is that a a .22, 32-grain is no different than a .25, 32-grain?Here's a link to that video: Well, if a .22 can do that, why go .25? My guess is that the Sumatra is not the only .22 PCP that is capable of doing what is seen in the video link above or is capable of slinging 32-grain ammo as effectively as the Sumatra?I truly want to step up to .25 caliber, but become hesitant when I see a .22 doing the same job a .25 can do.Really frustrating to say the least!I want an air-rifle with more balls...with ammo that looks and feels larger than what I currently have!Al.EDIT/ADD-ON: Even my FD-PCP can produce 43-fpe using heavy Eun-Jin ammo, although it is only like 6 or 7 shots, still not bad imho.
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