Most accurate AF Condor?

[Drakt]

Hey there guys, I'm planning on buying a Condor, but I just can't decide which!
I would like the most accurate one possible, of course down the road I would upgrade parts as needed, but which one of these would be the most accurate out of the box?
AF Condor cal .25  -  I like the idea of the wind bucking abilities of this caliber.
AF Condor SS cal. 22  -  Would removing the turbulent air increase accuracy?
AF Condor cal .22  -  Probably the most efficient due to pellet weight/barrel length.

I would feed the best pellet to each caliber (probably JSBs or Baracudas from what I've read), and search for that sweet spot in power & fill pressure.

I'm talking accuracy to about 75-100 yards... I know that's a stretch for most guns... but I'm sure you guys can help me decide!

If you think they'd all be about the same, my priorities are, in this order:
Accuracy
Power
Shot Count

[azoutdoorsman]

If your primary concern is accuracy, look at something other than a condor.

[Drakt]

If your primary concern is accuracy, look at something other than a condor.

Which rifle would you recommend me for accuracy?
The next step up would probably be an Air Arms S500/S510 but those are outside my budget >_<

[Sfttailrdr46]

  The .25 with  24" Barrel and full shroud is both accurate and quiet if that is what you think you want try to meet up with someone nearby that has one and see if they will let you throw some pellets down range. that is the easiest way to go if it is do able

[Jobobo]

Accuracy at that distance is going to require power and weight on the pellet.  So out of those choices I would agree, the 25 cal will have the wieght advantage over the 22, and the longer barrel will help as well.  But the suggestion to find someone close and try it is the best.

[Drakt]

Awesome, I will try to get some range time with one to get a good feel of it.
Which pellet does your Condor like best? What size groups does it give?
Thanks!

[454 Big Block Chevy]

my Condor SS is plenty accurate, even with valve issues (that AirForce is replacing free of charge)

[Booger]

I have both a Condor .25 & a Talon Pistol .25 and they could hit 454 Big Block Chevy's avatar at 70 yards. No problem. I am looking to get a .22 24" barrel because the Air Force is a shooting system.

[azoutdoorsman]

Maybe I have a different idea of accuracy than others, but the hammer smacking the valve as it floats over the barrel isn't they most accurate system.

In that price range, I'd look at a marauder or hatsan.

[Magoo]

AF condor 24 inch 25 cal for power and accuracy. 100 yards capable.

[smartshooter]

I looked into the condor for the longest time and after spending hours researching it I discovered that it wasn't the gun for me, two many adjustments needed and many complaining of constant poi changes, that's why ultimately I went with a hatsan because it's the kind you set up once and shoot all day. Just my two cents.

[rodbuilder]

Drakt, tell us a little more of what you are trying to achieve. What is accuracy to you at 100yrds, is it measured in inches, 1/2", 1/4", or 1/8"?  What kind of power are you looking for, what is the power for?  And another question is how much do you want to spend upfront, and on backend?  You can get a gun for under $2,000 already setup or buy a cheap gun and go up and over $2,000.

I have already went down the questions your are asking. I purchased a Condor SS and would highly recommend it. After getting it I suffered from the poi shifts, learned it was me not the gun. Pushing to hard on the stock(tank), gripping forearm, and twisting it resulted in that. I did not want to buy a stock so I made one, first time making a stock too. Immediately my groups shrank and it was very consistent. As far as accuracy and power, I think it offers both. I took a squirrel at 150yrds with mine, the squirrel didn't even twitch.  I can do 0.39" at 75yrds.

The system is flawed; the trigger is not match grade, the safety needs a little mod, and it needs a solid stock.  The hammer valve system is sketchy when considering bench rest accuracy, but I wanted it for hunting. No PCP is perfect for everyone, they each have their flaws.

So my questions was do I want a turn key setup no tinkering? What's the most important items on gun; barrel first then power plant, so which guns have good barrels?  Can I get aftermarket parts or replacements easily? 

This led me to a Condor SS. I am in the process of building a new stock, custom tank, and regulating the gun.  I keep thinking of adding another pcp to the ranks but in the end can't justify it as I am getting everything I need from it.  When I finish the regulating process I will get triple the shot count!

How's that for short. BTW airforce guns are not for some folks.

[Drakt]

Well, I would be very pleased with 1" at 75 yards consistently. At least sub 1 inch at 60 yards.
I want the power for hunting small game and because I know I need it to reach beyond 50 yards.
I do plan on improving the hammer, trigger and maybe even the valve.
The altaros regulator seems amazing, 5fps spread, that would certainly take care of POI changes, just gotta find the right power wheel setting for that pressure.
What can I say, I am a tinker, as long as I see results, not just for the sake of tinkering hehe
Which caliber is you Condor SS?
Whats the best pellet you've tried?

Does anyone have information for the altaros regulator on a .25 Condor??

[starlingassassin]

to run the reg you will have to run a pre-chamber (would have to be fabricated)
between the reg and valve to have enough "volume" of air to make any decent velocity.

all people ive read about that installed a reg without a pre-chamber,
have had velocity drop from 900+ to below 600 even with a 2000psi reg.

food for thought.
ive been wanting to reg mine for quite a while.

[Drakt]

Yeah, thats what I figured, you do see some incredibly nice numbers for .22 Condor on their website at altaros.cz, the reg is for the gunpower.

But when they move up to 25 grains  it just doesnt show the same results...

[rodbuilder]

Mine is a .25 and the best accuracy is out of JSB Exact Kings 25.4 Gr, not far behind is H&N Baracuda 31 Gr.  I have played around with Jerry's slugs (6 ring 62.5 gr) talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3929&start=260, I have only shot a dozen so far just to see until I get the gun setup the way I want it (sub 1" at 75yrds).

What starlingassassin says is true about a pre-chamber.  For testing I used my 490cc as a pre-chamber and then fed it with regulated air via fill nipple.  It worked perfectly.  I am now in the process of getting a custom tank made; final volume is still undetermined 65cc to 100cc.  I am making a new stock that will house a ninja regulator and 13ci tank and plumb directly into the pre-chamber.

[only1harry]

Condor .25 24" w/shroud or SS .25 for long range shooting.  I get 1/2" at 50yds with all my Condors.  I only have a polished (lighter) trigger on 1 of them, and the trigger on the others is stock, but I like them. I don't think the Condor triggers are bad at all and they all break crisply at 3-3.2lbs.  I have Crosman springers and Disco with 6lb triggers so the Condor triggers is like a match trigger to me compared to those.

The JSB King 25.4gr is the most accurate, with Kodiak/Baracuda a 2nd close as others aid.

Good luck with your decision.

Harry

[454 Big Block Chevy]

i will second what only1harry said.  JSB's are very accuarate but i'm slinging them too fast.  Baracudas like 1000 fps :-D

[Drakt]

Well it does sound like the .25 Condor is able to achieve a longer range, at least the one that has the least trouble doing so.
How do you guys cope with the change in velocity across the fill up of the gun? I've seen it fluctuate by as much as 100 fps over 25 shots, and 140 psi over 34 shots, filling from 3,000 psi.
Does that affect the POI at 50 yards?
This concern is kinda why I had the idea of the regulator (which seems definitely easier for a .22).

[Jobobo]

That is a question about how you tune the gun.  You can tune it for consistency and note how many shots you get a consistent velocity at per fill.  You may fill to 2700psi, not 3k.  You may get 12 consistent shots from 930-950-30 and end at 2200psi.  You need to spend some time with the gun and adjusting it to find out.