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rsterne
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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Reply #40 on:
May 06, 2014, 12:17:54 PM »
I bought an 8 lb. bottle of #1 buckshot from Ballistics Products, and was very disappointed in the variation in diameter.... They run from 0.294" to 0.302".... My barrel is a 26" twist, 0.294" land and 0.300" groove, so they run from loose enough to nearly fall through to so tight that they are a bear to chamber.... Even muskets shot roundball better with a slow rifling twist than smoothbore, so I see no point in using that, particularly because pellets are so much more accurate than roundball.... While a slower twist rate might improve the accuracy of roundball, it would decrease the accuracy with pellets, so again, why bother?....
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rsterne
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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Reply #41 on:
May 06, 2014, 12:20:03 PM »
Not quite, I made one from 5/32" drill rod, threaded 8-32 for a piece of 1/4" rod to make a shoulder for the O-ring necessary to seal it.... It's kind of a cross between a piercing pin and a check valve....
Bob
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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May 06, 2014, 08:19:18 PM »
As always, very nice!!
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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Reply #43 on:
May 06, 2014, 09:20:19 PM »
I see your point. Personally, the reason I am so interested is because i can see how a serious thumper of a pistol- one that is actually practical in size and weight- and fits in the bottom of a tackle box- can be built on a small budget. And requires no special fill equipment I can't pick up at a store nearby. Maybe with seamless brass tubing for a barrel, 7/16" in diameter. Loaded from the muzzle, to avoid any major alterations so I can switch back to the .22 barrel if I feel like it.
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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May 13, 2016, 10:15:10 AM »
I doubt I'm the only one to completely "miss" this. Even as old as it is, it's very relevant for those of us struggling with the knowledge to build a larger caliber pistol. Thank you Bob! Any new developments on this, maybe with a SSG?
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rsterne
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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May 13, 2016, 12:55:45 PM »
Nope, sorry, I sold this pistol right after development was completed.... The guy who bought it loves it.... calls it his ".30 cal Hand Cannon".... An SSG would be a good addition, likely increasing shot count....
Bob
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jackssmirkingrevenge
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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June 16, 2019, 03:18:38 PM »
Kicking this up as the current custodian of the subject of this thread that finally found time to have a bit of fun with it
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Wayne52
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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June 16, 2019, 05:17:21 PM »
That's too cool without a doubt !!!
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rsterne
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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Reply #48 on:
June 16, 2019, 10:57:46 PM »
Check out Reply #20 at the top of page 2, to see how this thing hits....
Bob
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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June 17, 2019, 06:54:34 AM »
There's something really satisfying about a bigger projectile traveling relatively slowly. I have some hanging steel sheet targets in the range at 80 feet, there's a perceptible delay between the muzzle blast and the impact but those 44.75 grain JSBs really smack them with some authority
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jackssmirkingrevenge
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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June 17, 2019, 09:37:20 AM »
Some recovered pellets:
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YEMX
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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Reply #51 on:
June 17, 2019, 11:12:24 AM »
Very cool!! I'd like to do something similar w/a Prod and a SS valve...
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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Reply #52 on:
June 17, 2019, 12:19:47 PM »
Glad to see this thread get life again, nice build Bob. Thanks for posting the video Jack, that is one cool and unique pistol, really love the steel plate ping.
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YEMX
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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Reply #53 on:
June 17, 2019, 04:29:29 PM »
I wouldn't mind building something similar to this from a QB base either- already set up for double CO
2
carts...
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rsterne
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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Reply #54 on:
June 17, 2019, 05:21:08 PM »
Would be nice if someone made a pistol grip trigger group for the QB's, huh?....
Bob
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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Reply #55 on:
June 17, 2019, 08:29:19 PM »
CO2 seems to work pretty darned good for bigger bores in pistols.
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rsterne
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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Reply #56 on:
June 17, 2019, 08:47:04 PM »
Yep, the large bore area helps make up for the low pressure....
Bob
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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Reply #57 on:
June 17, 2019, 09:00:03 PM »
Bob when you pierce the co2 it probably fills the voids in the air tube also doesn't it?
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rsterne
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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Reply #58 on:
June 17, 2019, 09:46:30 PM »
Yep, the volume after piercing includes all the air space around the cartridges.... so you end up with a couple less shots than you would if it didn't do that.... before the pressure starts to drop when all the CO2 boils to a gas.... Up until then, the pressure is still the same, and depends on the temperature, like any CO2 gun.... the cartridges are a close fit inside the tube, so really the only significant extra volume is at the ends of the cylinders.... You still have 24 g. of CO2 (12 per cylinder)….
Bob
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Re: Big Bore Pistol Build
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Reply #59 on:
June 17, 2019, 11:12:24 PM »
Quote from: rsterne on June 17, 2019, 05:21:08 PM
Would be nice if someone made a pistol grip trigger group for the QB's, huh?....
Bob
Absolutely... But I'll have to go the route as another GTA member and cut down a target stock... Which isn't too bad.
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